Open Thread: World Series Game Two
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Barry once hit .362/.609/.812 with 232 walks and 41 strikeouts in a single season. True story. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)
What did you all think of last night’s game? I thought it was pretty exciting actually, at least until the Giants started to pull away at the end. Though watching Vlad Guerrero play defense in rightfield bordered on hilarious and unwatchable. Knocking around Cliff Lee is no small feat, but San Fran’s hacktastic approach might not work so well against C.J. Wilson since he throws so many pitches out of the zone. Matt Cain is the better pitch on paper, but he might get outdone in this one because his teammates kinda suck.
Anyway, here’s your thread for the game. If you’re too heartbroken over the Yankees not being in the Fall Classic and can’t bear to watch, then go ahead and talk about something else then. Anything goes. Enjoy.
Oh, one small site note: We did some rearranging, and the commenting guidelines are now a pull-down from the “About” button in the nav bar above (under the street sign). Read them if you haven’t, or refresh your memory if you already have.
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Marcus Thames is in the World Series?
If you’re bored, I’m doing a livechat, about whatever…
http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....francisco/
Due to my self-imposed media ban from the time the Yankees lost until after my Terrifyingly Enormous Exam this morning, I never got to say thank you to the writers here and all the commenters who made this season awesome, so…thank you all.
What was your exam in? Ditto on the terribly enormous exam this morning.
Oh, one small site note: We did some rearranging, and the commenting guidelines are now a pull-down from the “About” button in the nav bar above (under the street sign).
Hiding the commenting bill of rights under bureaucratic subterfuge?
You’re only further tarnishing the already damaged credibility of this socialist blog, Axisa.
The Death Panels are coming next, forreals.
Read them if you haven’t, or refresh your memory if you already have.
I’m looking at you, newly returned mryankee. Consider yourself refreshed as to the guidelines.
Admittedly, it’s not a bill of rights… it’s more or less a step down from “You can do anything on the internet!” to “You can do anything except these things for which you will be banned and eternally damned to hell.”
Who’s about to start watching The Wire?
This guy is and he’s pretty excited because he hasn’t seen it yet.
why bother having commenting guidelines when this is allowed?
Open thread, baby. International waters. Tyson-Secretariat I.
Don’t forget the monkey knife fights.
anyone who hasn’t seen the wire shouldn’t be allowed to comment.
Some of us ain’t got the HBO’s, yo. It’s hard out here for a pimp.
I apologize mr(s) candyforstalin for not having watched The Wire while it was being aired. I hope at some point in the distant future I regain some small part of the very little credibility I had.
So if you had a choice, would rather have:
7 World Series titles, 2 other pennants and 1 ALCS appearance in a 10 year period
or
1 World Series title every 10 years with the 2 extra pennants and ALCS appearance scattered throughout the 70 years of your life.
Basically this is dynasty vs. “random” titles with mediocrity to ALDS exits every other year.
Does the dynasty thing preclude the possibility of other titles? B/c watching a dynasty unfold is pretty much the best thing a fan can enjoy, but living in the afteryears watching the team that was once so great toil in obscurity/mediocrity forever after would be agony.
The Giants are winning this World Series for the Yankees. We’ve played a big role in the construction of both sides.
Ben Sheets and Brandon Webb are free agents no? could be good on a 1 year deal.
Sheets is contemplating retirement after his latest injury, no?
Stay awwwwaaaaaaayy
I think I’ve heard Sheets might hang ‘em up. Not really too bullish on Webb, shoulder injuries aren’t good, look at what the Nationals got out of Wang this year – and I thought that was a reasonable risk too.
I’m pretty sure Ben Sheets had a severe arm/shoulder injury last season, so that might not be the best idea.
Isn’t Mark Prior also a free agent?
Hannah Storm bring’n da mad slutty
http://deadspin.com/5674919/th.....slutty-lol
let Boston have them.
Boston would have seven aces if it were to sign Webb and Sheets. That would just be unfair. I mean, why even play the 2011 season?
They’d have 14 aces.
Once Casey Kelly gets added to the 40-man next June-ish, his seven aces all by himself count towards the total as well.
Great point. We’re screwed.
Eh, maybe not.
http://tinyurl.com/25wctxl
It’s all a ruse. He’s playing possum.
There’s no such thing as Scotchtoberfest.
kelly that guy is already better than walter johnson……………………………………..
What Barry could have done in Yankee Stadium (as opposed to Candlestick) and with batters protecting him.
Barry only had 14 plate appearances in Yankee Stadium (all in YS2, obviously).
His line: .571/.786/1.000. No, I did not make that up.
The scary part: He could have sustained that line.
His BABIP: .750.
Well, maybe only the insane SLG.
No, I think Barry Bonds could actually sustain a .750 BABIP. He’s the one guy who could do it.
Mariano Rivera, however, struck him out swinging in his one appearance against him. Andy Pettitte struck him out in the 2001 All-Star Game.
I never fail of saying this.
and by “fail” I mean “tire” WTF? I fail a lot.
14 PAs, however:
Game 1: 2-3 with two singles and a walk
Game 2: 2-4 with a single, a walk, and a home run
Game 3: 0-0 with four walks
Wouldn’t that make his BABIP .400, not .750?
I didn’t calculate it myself, I’m just citing B-R.com.
Fair enough–I think they are wrong. Home runs don’t go into BABIP. Two singles and three outs is .400
No, they’re right.
In his first game he had 4 PAs with a walk, two singles, and a strikeout. That’s only two PAs with that ended with a ball in play, and they were both hits.
In his second game, he had 5 PAs with a walk, a single, a homer, a strikeout, and a flyout. That’s only two PAs that ended with a ball in play, and he had a hit in one of them.
In the third game, he was walked 4 times and hit by a pitch. No balls in play.
That’s three singles and a flyout in four plate appearances that ended with a ball in play. That’s .750.
Yeesh, you’re right. It’s been a long day.
Game 3 he was 0-0 with four walks and a HBP…I thought I missed a PA in there somewhere.
I know Barry didn’t want to sign in 1993, but did we have a chance to sign him afterwards? I’m not sure how his contract with the Giants worked.
holy F barry.
If one were to watch a highlight reel of all of Bonds’s plate appearances that season, would it have gotten boring? I don’t think so.
Can’t decide if I want to watch the game on TV or just follow the score on MLB.com whilst watching The Office UK. Decisions, decisions…
At least you have the choice of watching the game. Some of us aren’t so lucky.
Those knuckleheads haven’t resolved the issue yet?
Nope.
Why is Ozzie doing an english broadcast?
I hear he’s not any more intelligible in Spanish.
I’m only just beginning to appreciate how good Bonds really was
Hannah Storm bring’n da mad slutty
http://deadspin.com/5674919/th.....slutty-lol
Why is it any time a woman wears anything that shows even a tad of skin she’s automatically a slut?
can you post some examples
I’m with Rebecca. The constant criticism of Storm’s wardrobe smacks of a sexist double standard.
We men have it easy, our uniforms are cookie-cutter banal.
Women can dress professionally just as easy as men can. The fact that some women choose not to is not an excuse.
The problem is that women who dress more provocatively get the most attention, so more and more women choose to discard professionalism for ratings. Which isn’t wrong, but it is unfortunate—both that men objectify women and that women ignore professionalism because of that.
work it, Hannah, work it, baby
Completely agree and much better said than I would have
Yea, clothing does prove something one way or the other in terms of promiscuity, but on the other hand: If you want to be known as a ‘professional’ reporter, is ‘skin’ appropriate? Would it be ok for a male reporter to show skin
Would it be ok for a male reporter to show skin?
We’ll never really know, because we’ve created a male/female professional dress culture that makes this test case virtually impossible.
But guys don’t have to worry about it because it’s socially acceptable for them to wear short sleeves or an open collar (except at, say, goldman sachs)
So because males don’t have to worry about it, that means women are given a pass on professionalism?
Because males don’t have to worry about it, it means they have a far different degree of difficulty and should consider that before they pop off at the mouth about a woman’s wardrobe being unprofessional.
It’s like a rich person complaining about how a poor person spends their money. Bitch, you’re rich; shit is easy for you.
If something as simple as dressing oneself is too difficult, then maybe that person should reconsider their chosen field.
And poor people generally spend their money unwisely, which is what has led them to be poor in the first place. And poor people bitch about how the rich spend their money far more often than the other way around. And most people who are well off worked very hard to get to where they are. Shit definitely wasn’t always easy for them, and certainly isn’t enjoyable for them now with people shitting on them for being successful.
But the bottom line is that dressing professionally is not terribly difficult for a man or a woman. I work with plenty of women who are able to attire themselves appropriately. Just because she may not think that professional dress is the most fashionable choice doesn’t mean it’s difficult for her to do so. Use common sense. A diving neckline or a super-short skirt are probably best saved for Margarita Mondays after work at Chili’s.
marie antoinette just called, she wants her cake back.
That’s not even the point. In terms of attire, women have a lot more choices than men do, and most of those choices include showing skin. Of course, she could wear slacks and a button down with a vest or something that covers her up completely, but using that “would it be okay for a male reporter to show skin,” is kind of a ridiculous argument. I kind of saw the video in the link and it’s a little blurry, but it looks like she was wearing a dress of an appropriate length and some long boots that covered up a good portion of her legs. If she was in a mini skirt and a shirt six sizes too small, I wouldn’t say anything, but she’s not working in an office, she’s at a basketball game as a reporter.
I meant, I wouldn’t say anything in regards to the argument that she’s not properly dressed. Wasn’t clear on that, sorry.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_N0KH.....m+long.JPG
When’s the last time a male sportcenter anchor wore anything close to that? They all wear suits (on top at least), not open collared polo shirts.
I agree that it’s inappropriate, but it’s the double standard in the media. She’s addressing the demographic sports are directed to–men. It’s for ratings, it’s for attention, it’s to get people talking. As a woman, I don’t dress like that, professionally or casually. My parents would probably be the first people to tell me I look like a street walker if I did, but obviously, it’s a ploy because her target audience is men.
It’s not just the double standard in the media, it’s the double standard in dress in general.
I don’t find what Storm was wearing there particularly inappropriate in any way, it’s just a feminine top.
Whatever.
I mean inappropriate for the camera. It doesn’t look right for a reporter to be sitting in front of a camera with a plaid top. It’s fine in like a talk show but it’s not work attire for a reporter in a studio. I’m not saying she needs a garbage bag or a nun’s dress, but that it doesn’t look right for a professional reporter in front of a camera. If she was at a game reporting, I’d see no harm in that at all.
nothing wrong in dressing sexy
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a pair of sexy pumps and a cocktail dress never hurt anyone.
does this count?
I laughed a little. And yeah, there’s just no way in hell that’s even remotely work appropriate.
Craig Sager’s inappropriateness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hannah Storm’s inappropriateness
Bozo the clown could switch places with Sager for one game and nobody would know.
If Hannah Storm shows a little skin, it doesn’t make me not pay attention to what she’s actually reporting on.
I can’t not notice Craig Sager making his wardrobe the center of attention, though. He’s actually detracting from his reporting with his ridiculously loud suits and ties.
Oh and I meant to say doesn’t prove something one way or the other>
ummm…tedious, cliched phallocentrism?
So if the Giants win the WS, I think their bandwagon fans will be only slightly less obnoxious than post-2004 Red Sox bandwagon fans. ZOMG SO FUN!!! GIANTS BASEBALL, TORTURE!!!!! LICNECEUM IS HAWT.
If the Giants win the world series, I am growing my facial hair out to Brian Wilson-like epicness.
Of course, that would take about 5 years of not shaving to happen =[
Do what Youkilis does: just go find some nice roadkill and hot-glue-gun it to your face.
I hope you’re married, then, ’cause it’s super atrocious. The only reason I like him is because of what he looked like before the beard.
I’m 18, I ain’t no MacCauley Culkin.
Then I recommend not growing the beard. It’s for your own good, son.
When exactly did Brian Wilson join the Taliban?
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Which of course, will be only slightly less annoying than this comment.
Ouch?
So if the Giants take Game 2 will everyone STFU about Texas and how awesome they are?
I hope so. I’m really tired of the Rangers.
This.
Barry Bonds is still my favorite non-Yankee MLB player of all time.
I like him more than any other Yankee sans Gehrig and DiMaggio.
Cosign on this. The Giants became my favorite team when I discovered Barry Bonds and his amazing stats.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. You mean the steroid allegations aren’t driving younger fans away from the game in droves?
My opinion on steroids: I could care less. You still have to go out and play the game. Also, aren’t people attracted to home run hitters? If it puts asses in the seats, it’s all fair game.
2nd favorite team right?
Obviously. Yankees come before everything (except women).
Concurred.
Sounds about right.
At least I know where I rank in the scheme of things
It would help if you dress mad slutty lol whatevs
My mental ranking of things:
Women
Yankees
Food
Giants
Breathing
Personal hygiene
Daily exercise
Schoolwork
Those are going to have to change eventually. Enjoy it for now.
Once you’re in college, you’re going to have to pretty much reverse that list if you want to be successful.
Good point. I’m enjoying this for as long as I possibly can.
I have to say, in college, women are still up near the top.
I have to say, before, during, and after college, Women are still on the top.
Where’s Winning?
Remember, Breathing’s first, Winning’s second.
ietc
if i could only turn back the clock to when god and her were born. he had it right.
As a kid/teen, I collected Bonds cards for years before he broke the record. I have a binder with nearly 100 cards of his. Just a terrifying presence at the plate. Still one of my faves.
I have a Barry Bonds autographed baseball that I got as a gift.
Nice bowtie Rosenthal.
He must be hanging out with that Sager guy. Not good for one’s style.
The Rangers look like the Yankees in the ALCS with these pathetic at-bats.
But they scored runs last night. That’s something we couldn’t do for 44 innings in the ALCS.
I don’t think Cain gets as much credit as he deserves, probably because he’s second-fiddle to Lincecum, but he’s filthy nasty.
Meh, Cain’s an alright pitcher, but he wouldn’t be anything higher than a number 3 starter in the AL. He’s a product of AT&T Park. Look at his HR/FB rate and then look at his FB%. Yikes.
FIP-wise, Cain was better on the road than at home from 2007-09.
I was looking at xFIP, but I find that if find the average of FIP and xFIP, you can get a better idea of how the pitcher should pitch*.
*This is a very raw method. It isn’t adjusted for park and league or anything.
The problem with using xFIP in Cain’s case is that it’s always extremely high for him, yet he somehow manages to defy it. Cain gives up a ton of fly balls, but not that many go for homers. You can’t just attribute that to spacious AT&T Park either, as Cain hasn’t exactly surrendered a ton of HRs on the road compared to home. He has actually allowed three more in San Fran in his career, albeit in 85 fewer innings.
*85 more innings
57-62 for his career (despite a 3.45 ERA) doesn’t help either. He doesn’t know how to win!!
I think having an offense like the Yankees–or any non-SF offense, really–scoring runs for him instead of the Giants would make the W/L record a lot different.
Of course it would. Cain’s poor W/L (never mind the cause of it) is still why he is consistently overlooked.
Cain doesn’t look like he has eyes, he looks like a demon or something
I think his face looks downright cherubic.
He looks like an adorable version of AJ Burnett.
I told my best friend yesterday that I thought Cain looked like AJ’s younger brother and she told me I was insane.
This is boring.
I say the Yanks and Phillies get together and play a seven game series.
Yanks and Phillies playing each other in October? Like that would ever happen.
Shoulda signed Bonds after his first contract with the Giants ended. sigh.
Could you imagine all the Yankee-haters and their roid chants if we’d had Bonds and Giambi and Clemens?
AND WHAT IF WE HAD HIRED SANDY ALDERSON?!??!?!? OH, THE HORROR!!!!!!!
/IanO’Connor’d
Well. Would we still have gotten Giambi had we signed Bonds?
Who knows. Who knows…
I still think we should have gotten Manny, but alas…
If we had gotten Manny we wouldn’t have gotten A-Rod because there wouldn’t have the need for another slugger who happened to play at a position that was already taken by Derek Jeter.
Tonight is the pitching duel?
Letttttttsss gooo Giants
+1
Man, that was literally an inch away from a homer.
Are the Sox still paying Renteria?
AHNdrews
SAN-chez
I want to shoot myself.
matt cain is awesome
Big Daddy Cain is killing it
Now the Rangers know what it feels like to be BABIP’s bitch.
or get dominated by a superior pitcher
My thoughts exactly.
The night is still young.
I don’t mind the Rangers at all but I smirk so hard at their failure in this series, so far.
Magician
Can we loan Mariano Rivera to the Giants for the week?
That Wilson fella is doing quite well.
No. Mo is ours. Mo is not for loaning. >:(
(And Wilson ain’t too shabby himself)
The Giants can get by with beard-man.
LOL at the dallas reporter getting a taste of SF while he visits the ballpark
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/spo.....oPlay=true
Lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I’m being completely honest here. I want CJ Wilson’s sideburns.
As a member of the CJ Wilson is really fucking hot club, I’d like to say that his sideburns are actually the worst thing about him.
Something tells me you’re not a fan of any type of facial hair.
No wonder you love the Yankees!
They were once the NY Giants and I’ve met people who actually followed them out there. I’ve known people here who still call them the Jints.
Fun Fact: Angel Berroa played with John McGraw.
Sincerely,
PeteAbe
the nets are going to call themselves the brooklyn dodgers when they move there
They wish.
i would have also accepted ‘the nots’
The Brooklyn Comrades
aka the nyets
http://www.wnyc.org/articles/w.....t-brooklyn
yeah there’s one of those brooklyn nets jerseys hanging on the wall in junior’s on flatbush, not a good look
The best part of that article..
HAHAHAH
Well at least he’s honest.
What a play by Schierholtz. Nice range.
Yankees: oh crap, we forgot to buy the Series this year! (palm meet face)
Renteria, you gotta catch that bro
Ya can’t walk Elvis. That will burn you.
Cain didn’t tip his hat. bad etiquette.
Whew dodged bullet
Ugh Bieber’s a Rangers fan?
He was wearing a Giants hat and a Rangers jacket.
coughtoolcough
Goes both ways.
http://bit.ly/aVYXHV
This! Is! Friscooooo!
Where was this Derek Holland in the ALCS?
11 straight balls before a strike. Impressive.
Mike Maddux is easily the most annoying pitching coach in baseball.
10 straight balls??? this is epic
11!
11 straight.
3-0
Where was this Derek Holland
Take 2
Talk about “shitting the bed”
WTF why couldn’t he shit the bed like this against us?
Nolan Ryan must have seen flashes of his young career during that 1 strike, 12 ball performance.
I’ve never seen that before. Where was Washington’s hook?
Wear it Uribe
I wanna know where this Rangers pen was in the ALCS.
wow
This is so fucking awesome.
I agree. If it were me, I’d start making doodles in the batter’s box.
Nollie needs to stay calm. Already had one heart surg
That mound must stink, with all the shitting going on out there, this half inning. Poor Wilson.
I’d like to know what Jon Daniels did in Colorado as an intern in 2001 to warrant being hired as the assistant director of baseball operations for Texas the very next season. That’s freaking nuts.
When was the last time there were three consecutive bases loaded walks?
If you don’t swing you walk Rent
Strikes are overrated.
I’m probably enjoying this Ranger bullpen collapse too much.
So what’s the MSM storyline gonna be?
They’re going to jump on the Giants bandwagon until there is cause to jump off of it.
Is Renteria World Series MVP?
/too early, probably
I thought the Giants weren’t supposed to have much of an offense.
Dogs chasing cars, pros putting for pars and pitchers throwing fours. See you in Texas.
Well, the Rangers bullpen is living up to everything we thought it would be against the Yankees. Too bad, except for one inning, our guys couldn’t make it happen.
So, based on last night’s game, should we now expect a 3-4 run Ranger rally in the 9th?
epic epic epic meltdown
This is a historic meltdown.
AHAHAHAHAHA
Keep piling it on Giants.
Can we officially call this one a laffer?
this is hilarious, hey texas. Karma is a bitch
Giants need one in Texas
I think the Giants have surpassed their run total for the entire postseason.
This is fucking hilarious.
So now Giants bullpen is going to give up like five runs, right?
Man, Girardi never woulda let this shit happen. He’d have emptied his bullpen and gone to all his A-relievers, even Mo, with the off day tomorrow. But let’s complain about the binder.
And Joe Torre would have left Scott Proctor out the entire time.
Proctor? I forgot all about him but u r right. Joe would’ve left him in to suffer
oddly, Ron-Ron will likely be manager of the year.
I could not stop laughing that entire inning. Call me a bitter bitch but schadenfreude is fucking delicious.
I enjoyed that inning way too much.
The Rangers have regressed big time.
Juan Uribe is a lot more agile than I thought. That was a pretty nice play.
His career UZR is +39.2. Uribe is a fairly adept fielder.
He certainly is. I can honestly say I’ve never, ever, paid much attention to him.
he’s a free agent this offseason, maybe Cash should sign him.
Rangers look old.
Michael Young, no range a third.
Outfield defense is terrible. Hamilton and Cruz looked lost.
If I’m using the transitive property correctly, then the Giants would have made us look positively decrepit?
by the transitive property of suck the Twins/Reds World Series would have destroyed all our televisions with how awful it would have been
Hahah. I also beleive the transitive property of suck is how STD’s are spread!
AHAHAHAH
Transitive Property of Postseason Suck, I should’ve said.
icwudt
Send this bitch back to Arlington. I want to see the Giants sweep.
Look at these grinders! Even down 9-0 still working the count!
/MSM
Giants = good pitching
Every
single
one
of the Giants’ runs in this WS has come with two outs. ALL OF THEM.
All 20? That’s batshit insane. Wow.
That’s impressive. 20 two out runs? Crazy shit.
bah, it turns out this isn’t true. Should’ve fact-checked instead of just repeating what I saw RTed in Twitter sob sob.
why couldn’t we have pitched batter? such a poopy-shoot
Colby Lewis hasn’t gotten rocked in a while. Saturday sounds like a good day for it.
Gotta feelin Lee starts on Sunday.
And this complete collapse makes it harder for Texas to keep Lee.
LOL. Looks like we wore out the Yee-Haws.
Seems like Texas won their World Series in the ALCS.
mr. lee has to get that ring with us.
any chance of getting rags for p………….ing coach?!
Does Cliff Lee=Marian Hossa? Going to the Championship game three times in a row with two different teams, before winning it in his third year with yet another team?
Washington was visbly PISSED during postgame interview. I smiled.