Oct
25

Pettitte battled back and hamstring issues in ALDS

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Via Marc Carig and Ben Shpigel, Andy Pettitte‘s back and hamstrings tightened up during his Game Two start in the ALDS, which is why he was pushed back to Game Three of the ALCS. Andy also had to cut his between-start bullpen session short, and if the LDS had gone five games there’s a chance he might not have been able to start. At 38-years-old, it’s hard to be surprised that the lefty was battling nagging injuries down the stretch, it’s what guys that age do.

It’s almost like everyone bashing Joe Girardi for flipping Pettitte and Phil Hughes in the ALCS rotation didn’t have all the information and now look stupid for criticizing him. Funny.

Categories : Asides, Injuries
  • Yank the Frank

    And with all that, Andy was our best starter in the ALCS.

    • RL

      A reason to hope he’ll be back again next year. (see my additional comments below).

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Andy Pettitte is a man.

    • http://dontbringinthelefty.blogspot.com Lucas AA, aka don’t_bring_in_the_lefty

      Yes, he is.

    • Betty Lizard

      Andy Pettitte is a man.

      Jeez, Bex, now I have visions of Andy Pettitte, dressed in a towel and not much else, singing (to the tune of I’m a Woman):

      If you come to me sickly you know I’m gonna make you well
      If you come to me all hexed up you know I’m gonna break the spell
      If you come to me hungry you know I’m gonna fill you full of grits
      If it’s pitchin’ you’re likin, I’ll windup and give you the shiverin’ fits

      ‘Cause I’m a pitcher! P-I-T-C-H-E-R, I’ll say it again

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        now I have visions of Andy Pettitte, dressed in a towel and not much else

        You could’ve just stopped right there and this would’ve been the greatest comment in RAB history.

  • steve (different one)

    I’m confused, didn’t this very item make RAB’s own list of second guesses? Obviously that wasn’t written in a way that was “bashing”, but it was still a piece calling out Girardi, and this was one of the 6 reasons why.

    • Slugger27

      thats the first thing i thought of as well

  • nsalem

    If it was information that rightfully should not have been made public,
    why would you say people look stupid for criticizing him. At face value
    and without the proper information it was a decision that should have been questioned.

    • Adam

      Sure, but I think the overriding point is that for all the second guessing and armchair managing that we have seen time and again that decisions are made with a full range of information that we all don’t necessarily know at the time. That instead of Girardi (or whoever) being an idiot that he is actually making decisions on a whole range of information.

      • nsalem

        Of course Girardi made the right decision by not being forthcoming about Andy’s injury. The fan base however
        were within in their rights to question the decision,
        based on the misinformation that was presented to us.
        We were led to believe that he was doing it because
        Hughes had pitched so well in previous two or three starts
        in Texas and how “pivotal” a Game 3 can be. I disagree with
        some of the disrespectful comments that I have seen about
        Girard on this site. Fans do have the right though to
        question a managers decision when the reasons seem like weak ones. Assuming Pettitte was healthy having him start Game 2
        (due to past performance and experience) seemed like the more compelling argument.

        • rbizzler

          It is not the fact that people were questioning the decision, but more the tone of the criticism. If you are going to use all sorts of hyperbole to criticize a decision, you better be ready to eat your words when information comes to light that contradicts/nullifies your opinion.

        • Tim

          Maybe the take-home here is if you think the manager is making an egregiously stupid decision (that is not a quick decision in the heat of the game), you probably aren’t privy to some piece of information that makes the decision make a whole lot more sense. You have the right to question the decision, but he gets paid to be the manager for a reason, and you don’t.

  • Nuke Ladoosh

    “Didn’t have the information and now look stupid”
    What? Cocksure ignorance? From the MSM and Blog posters? Unheard of! :-)

  • Avi

    This sounds like damage control to me. The yankees are trying to make the decision to start Hughes over Pettitte in games 2 and 6 look good.
    Giving pettitte one more day off between his two playoff starts is really gonna make that much of a difference? come on

    • steve (different one)

      Damage control for whom? The nerds on the internet?? Define the “damage” they are trying to control.

      • Avi

        It’s a great second guess. One that was even brought up on this website. I’m sure there are MANY people out there that feel Pettitte should’ve started 2 and 6 over Hughes.
        Pettitte had like nine days between starts. One more day is really going to make a difference?

        • steve (different one)

          No, I get that. My point that I think you are overestimating the level to which Girardi and the FO give a shit that a bunch of baseball nerds (myself included) are questioning their decision 10 days later. I just don’t see them inventing a story to justify themselves to us. Esp considering how uncompetitive most of the series was.

          • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            This. They could care less about us, their job is not to appease us and today’s news doesn’t change what happened.

            • Avi

              The news flash on Pettitte came from Girardi. It would make sense that he wants some “damage control”

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                They don’t make up injuries as damage control. That’s beyond stupid.

                I’m pretty sure the Yankees and Girardi don’t give two shits about what the media writes about them.

                • Avi

                  I’m not suggesting they’re “making up” an injury just that they might be using it as the reason why he started hughes over pettitte when in fact he would’ve done it regardless.

                  Why didn’t we hear anything like “well we like the way Phil matches up against their lineup and feel Andy can benefit more from the extra time off. So we’re gonna go with Phil in game 2 and andy in game 3″

                  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                    Why didn’t we hear anything like “well we like the way Phil matches up against their lineup and feel Andy can benefit more from the extra time off. So we’re gonna go with Phil in game 2 and andy in game 3?

                    That’s pretty much exactly what we did hear.

    • vin

      Technically, its 2 extra off days – the day of game 2, and the travel day.

  • Avi

    Gimme Pettitte with two bad hamstrings a bad back and fever over phil hughes in the playoffs ANYDAY.
    Not a second guess here.

    • Esteban

      Pitching with a bad back worked so well for David Wells. I’m sure the Yankees were eager to repeat that. (eyerolls)

      • UncleArgyle

        I don’t see how Andy Pettite in 2010 and David Wells in 2003 have anything to do with each other. Other than the fact that as Vertebrates, they both have Backs.

        • Esteban

          And had back issues and they didn’t want to risk having to pull Pettitte early in the game and use a pitcher like Sergio Mitre. There’s that

  • Gonzo

    It’s all his fault for riding Pettitte hard so the Yanks would win the division.

    • pat

      Andy didn’t actually go home while he was on the DL for two months. he was in Tampa and Trenton pitching with a Banuelos jersey on.

      • Gonzo

        The scouts were drooling at Banuelos, and it only cost the Yanks Game 2 of the ALCS.

        • pat

          It was worth it, now we can trade ManBan for a proven winner like Branson Arroya

  • Big Stein

    FIRE GIRARDI!

  • larryf

    I am not a huge fan of binder Joe in-game, but I do think he does an excellent job of taking the heat off his players and sticking by them.

    /unlike Favre’s coach

  • A.D.

    The problem with relying on older starters, figure if Pettitte is fully healthy could have meant winning 2 & 6 vs the performances Hughes put up.

  • RL

    At 38-years-old, it’s hard to be surprised that the lefty was battling nagging injuries down the stretch, it’s what guys that age do.

    A reason for him NOT to return again next season. I definitely want to see Any back, but with his history of minor injuries the past few seasons, I wonder if he’ll decide its time to hang up the spikes. It’s gotta suck to have your season interupted like that.

    • Gonzo

      I would love to see him back, but I want him back as a #4-5, possibly #3.

      • Xstar7

        If Andy decides to return AND the Yankees sign Cliff Lee the starting Rotation should look like this:
        1. CC Sabathia 2. Cliff Lee 3. Andy Pettite 4. AJ Burnett 5. Phil Hughes
        If Andy decides to retire and the Yankees sign Cliff Lee it should look like
        1. CC Sabathia 2. Cliff Lee 3. AJ Burnett 4. Phil Hughes 5. Ivan Nova(that kids got potential and we should give him a shot depending on how spring training goes.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      I’d rather have Andy back for 15-20 starts with Nova making 10-15 instead of handing Nova 33 starts

  • larryf

    Really the only positive to take out of Andy’s year (in terms of next year) is how many fewer pitches he had to throw as a result of the nagging/groin/back injuries. At least his arm is sound.

  • Gollumbar

    EVERYONE criticized Girardi because it seemed SO stupid at the time. You can’t feel stupid if you didn’t have all the information.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      No, everyone criticized Girardi after Hughes pitched poorly. After wanting Hughes to start Game 2 of the ALDS. There were legit reasons to start Hughes in Game 2 of the ALCS (and definitely legit reasons to start Pettitte, too); it was hardly an indefensible move.

      That said, rubbing it in everyone’s faces isn’t really productive either, we don’t have all the information.

  • jack

    That was Joe Girardi’s excuse to escape the blame about his huge mistake.
    How many days were there from the end of ALDS to the second game in ALCS?
    How about game 4?

    • steve (different one)

      Did you even read the post? His back seized up during his between start bullpen session. Your comment makes no sense

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Don’t bother, he’s clearly in the “Everything is Girardi’s fault and he’s the biggest moron ever” camp.

        Oaktag his foolishness.