Nov
16

Halladay takes home NL Cy Young Award

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Boy am I happy this guy is in the other league now. Roy Halladay took home his second career Cy Young Award today, finishing ahead of Adam Wainwright by a solid (102 point) margin since he received all 32 first place votes. Doc is the fifth player to win the award in both leagues, joining Gaylord Perry, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, and Pedro Martinez.

In his first season with the Phillies, Halladay led the league with wins (21), innings pitched (250.1), complete games (nine), shutouts (four), walk rate (1.1 BB/9), strikeout-to-walk ratio (7.3), xFIP (2.92), and fWAR (6.6). In 33 starts, Halladay walked just 29 men unintentionally. He’s the first player to strike out more than 200 batters and walk fewer than 30 since, fittingly enough, Cy Young back in 1905. Congrats to Doc, he was a worthy foe with the Jays. Have fun, National League.

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  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    Completely deserving. ‘Grats, Doc.

  • http://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    Glad it was unanimous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

    Hopefully Felix wins it for the AL now.

    • Xstar7

      I think your’re at the wrong website.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Why? Because he wants the player who most deserves the award to win it, independent of his rooting interests?

        Wanting Felix to win when he was the best pitcher in the league doesn’t make you a bad Yankee fan.

        • Xstar7

          You don’t think CC Sabathia deserves the Cy Young?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            No. Felix was better.

            • Xstar7

              What if I told you that CC Sabathia had to pitch in games that actually had significance against better offenses in the games toughest division? I dont think Felix would have done quite as well in Sabathia’s position even some would like to believe otherwise.

              • Sweet Dick Willie

                The Yanks had a pretty good offense, no?

                In 3 starts against the defending World Champions, King Felix pitched 26 innings, gave up 16 hits and ONE run.

                • Xstar7

                  Yeah I know. I just remembered that right after I posted that comment. I’m still sticking with CC though.

                  • Sweet Dick Willie

                    That’s cool, everyone is entitled to his own opinion, and it won’t be a mockery if CC wins.

                    But the award is supposed to go to the league’s best pitcher, and in 2010, that was Felix, not CC.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      That.

                    • Xstar7

                      Let’s agree to disagree.

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                CC Sabathia, 2010:

                vs. opponents under .500: 16 starts, 113 IP, 3.03 ERA, 1.283 WHIP, 2.74 K/BB
                vs. opponents over .500: 18 starts, 124.2 IP, 3.32 ERA, 1.107 WHIP, 2.60 K/BB

                Felix Hernandez, 2010:

                under .500: 12 starts, 86.1 IP, 2.29 ERA, 1.135 WHIP, 2.92 K/BB
                over .500: 22 starts, 163.1 IP, 2.26 ERA, 1.016 WHIP, 3.55 K/BB

                Also, I’d argue there was always far more pressure on Felix–if he gave up as many as two runs, that’s it, the Mariners are toast.

                • Xstar7

                  Felix gets to play in the weakest division which ought to help out his #’s. And he definitely doesnt have more pressure on him than CC does at all. If Felix does give up 5 runs in a game and they lose so what? Its not like the Mariners are going anywhere. CC regularly pitched in games that would decide the outcome of the Yankees season and was under enormous pressure to win. For example: Game six of the ALCS. This start wasn’t pretty but he held the Rangers tremendous offense in check even though he didnt have his best stuff (and had a meniscus tear.) And that game against the Blue Jays that sent the Yankees into the postseason in the first place. CC went eight innings, and allowed 1 run against a home-run happy ballclub in a game that was a must win for the Yankees considering how things were going and how the Red Sox were looking to make a comeback.

                  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                    and allowed 1 run against a home-run happy ballclub in a game that was a must win for the Yankees considering how things were going and how the Red Sox were looking to make a comeback.

                    2004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    (Fun fact: even if the Yankees lost that game, Boston would’ve been completely out of it by the time the Yankees got to Fenway that weekend.)

                    • Xstar7

                      I know the Red Sox lost that night. But if they hadn’t and the Yankees lost we would have been screwed! They would have won the next 4 games and then win the World Series like they did in 2004.

                    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                      You’re either trolling or… or… I don’t even know, actually…

                  • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                    Felix gets to play in the weakest division which ought to help out his #’s

                    CC Sabathia, 2010:

                    vs. opponents under .500: 16 starts, 113 IP, 3.03 ERA, 1.283 WHIP, 2.74 K/BB
                    vs. opponents over .500: 18 starts, 124.2 IP, 3.32 ERA, 1.107 WHIP, 2.60 K/BB

                    Felix Hernandez, 2010:

                    under .500: 12 starts, 86.1 IP, 2.29 ERA, 1.135 WHIP, 2.92 K/BB
                    over .500: 22 starts, 163.1 IP, 2.26 ERA, 1.016 WHIP, 3.55 K/BB

                    • Xstar7

                      The Angels and Athletics were over .500 at some points of the year.

                    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                      Felix face Oakland three times. He also faced the Yankees three times. He never faced the Mariners.

                    • Xstar7

                      I never said he did face the mariners because that goes without saying.

                  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                    CC regularly pitched in games that would decide the outcome of the Yankees season and was under enormous pressure to win. For example: Game six of the ALCS.

                    Your vote is due weeks before this start ever happens.

                    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                      Colby Lewis for the AL Cy Young!!

                    • Xstar7

                      Postseason performances don’t factor into regular season awards but don’t tell that to Buster Posey.

                    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                      Buster Posey already knows that. All the ballots are due in I think a couple of hours after the end of the last regular season game. Posey won because he was deemed better based on regular season alone.

                    • Xstar7

                      Heyward had a better OBP, more walks, and more RBI’s than Posey. Not saying I didn’t think Posey deserved to win.

  • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

    Was there any doubt this guy was going to absolutely dominate the NL? Well-deserved.

    • RL

      Yeah, but he’s no Phil Hughes.

      /sarcasm’d

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        What was Halladay doing at 24, hmm? Was he putting up a 164 ERA+? No? Then he’s a bum.

        Sincerely,
        A commenter who uses a First Name Only Male Handle

        (Fun Fact: That 164 ERA+ put up by Carlton came in 1969, a/k/a The year after “The Year of the Pitcher” and firmly within the greatest pitching era in baseball history. The season before that, 1968 itself, Carlton’s ERA+ was 97. The two subsequent years, his ERA+ was 111 and 102. Perhaps there’s some context to the “Carlton was brilliant at 24 and thus Hughes is somehow non-brilliant and mediocre” idea that our friend should consider thinking about.)

        • Monteroisdinero

          Cliff Lee wasn’t doing much either at 24. There is hope for Phil and Ivan Nova!

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          I’m glad someone else brought this up :X

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            Sad thing is that our First Name Only Male Handle Rule’r of the day actually had a decent point with the whole Joba thing, only to ruin it with batshit insanity.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Blind squirrel, nut.

        • Chris

          Carlton was moved between the pen and the rotation his first few years in the league, which obviously explains all of his problems.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I see your point, but in the years I’m referring to (’68-’71, age 23-26), 133 of his 136 appearances were starts.

            • Chris

              I don’t really have a point, but I’m glad you see it.

              People just love to assign blame and causes for things, when there is almost never a single cause.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Converse: People like to counterintuitively use the fact that there’s never a single cause to refute sound arguments that explain real contributing causes.

                • Klemy

                  Mind = Blown.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Doc is the fifth player to win the award in both leagues, joining Gaylord Perry, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, and Pedro Martinez.

    I know he’s in the HoF and all, but Gaylord Perry seems oddly out of place in that fraternity. Like, really? Gaylord Perry?

    Sure, okay. I guess.

    • RL

      Certainly not a dominant type of pitcher like the others mentioned. Guess we need to look at his stats for the years he won.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        He certainly seems to have deserved the 1972 AL Cy he won with the Indians.

        The 1978 one with the Padres is the dubious one. Perry wasn’t demonstrably better than Vida Blue or Burt Hooton, but take a look at what Phil Niekro did.

        http://www.baseball-reference......html#NLcya

        That’s right, 334 innings. 42 starts. 22 complete games.

        Of course, 21-6 means that Perry was a better pitcher than Niekro who went 19-18, so naturally Niekro came in sixth.

        • RL

          Wins are so mych more important than any other pitching stat. That’s why CC will win the AL Cy Young this season.

        • Chris

          Perry wasn’t demonstrably better than Vida Blue or Burt Hooton

          On the flip side, they weren’t demonstrably better than Perry. When it’s that close from an ERA, SO, BB, and WAR perspective, I don’t have any issues with putting those three in any order.

          Niekro is another story…

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Yeah, I’m not saying that Niekro pulled a Bartolo Colon and won an award that he clearly and demonstrably didn’t deserve to win and that it’s a blatant miscarriage of justice that offends the sensibilities, but there’s certainly a very compelling argument that someone else probably should have won that 1978 NL Cy Young. That’s all I’m saying.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Sorry:

              “Yeah, I’m not saying that Niekro Perry pulled a Bartolo Colon and won an award that he clearly and demonstrably didn’t deserve to win…”

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                Shouldn’t we call it a Bob Welch? Obviously, Johan was better than Colon in 2005, but Johan wasn’t historically amazing like Clemens in 1990. Dude had a 213 ERA+. 213!!!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  That works.

                  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                    Fun Fact #1: In 1990, in 10 more innings, Wlech had barely half as many strikeouts (127 to 209) and allowed 150% as many runs (90 to 59).

                    Fun Fact #2: Bob Welch wasn’t even the best starting pitcher ON HIS OWN TEAM that year. Outside of W/L, Dave Stewart was better in every single possible conceivable way.

                    • Chris

                      Eckersley was also better than Welch, even though he was coming out of the pen. He had 4 walks on the season.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      Fun Fact #3: Bob Welch made 35 starts in 1990.

                      The Athletics failed to score at least three runs in only three of those 35 starts.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      Sorry, that was worded weird:

                      The Athletics scored 4 or more runs in 32 of Welch’s 35 starts.

                    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                      Welch’s 2.5 bWAR was third on his own team (Eckersley and Stewart) and would have been fifth on the 2010 Yankees, behind CC, Andy, Mo, and Phil Hughes (2.7).

                      In contrast, Clemens had a 9.5 bWAR, 2.0 better than any other AL pitcher.

                    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                      Phil Hughes (2.7).

                      I was told he was worthless and I couldn’t be at all happy about his season.

                      No, seriously, I hate pitcher wins.

                    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                      2.7 WAR players aren’t exactly easy to find, either. In fact, here is a graph of how many 1-WAR players there are, period.

                      caveats: this uses fWAR (Hughes was at 2.4), and also this graph is only for position players. I can’t imagine it would look much different if you included pitchers though.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Hey, I also heard bears shit in the woods, is this true too?

  • vin

    He’s so friggin good.

    He constantly makes pitching to major league hitters look like childs’ play.

  • http://twitter.com/AndrewLeighNYC Andrew

    It’s a shame he never was able to progress beyond that 4.95 ERA through his age-24 season, I’m really glad I totally wrote him off as nothing better than a league-average pitcher after that stretch early in his career.

  • AndrewYF

    So, HoF chances for Halladay?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      First ballot.

    • vin

      Never thought about it until earlier this season. Even if he retired today, he’s definitely in. He’s now in the weaker league, and is showing zero signs of slowing down. He’ll definitely be a 1st ballot guy when all is said and done.

    • Slugger27

      i assume you meant what percentage he’ll get… ill say somewhere around 95

  • Johnny O

    I completely forgot Clemens won the Cy in Houston.

    /misremembered

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Randy Johnson should’ve won, but Randy Johnson had a pedestrian record (he was like 16-14) on an unbelievably shitty Diamondbacks team. Ben Sheets was absolutely fantastic that year too, but had a losing record so he got ONE vote.

      http://www.baseball-reference......html#NLcya

      Clemens wasn’t embarrassing or anything like that, though.

      • Thomas

        It’s funny. In 2004, Clemens won, but didn’t really deserve it that year (though he was excellent). The next year Clemens was even better and the most deserving player and only came in third.

        • Slugger27

          mussina pitched better than clemens the year he won it on the yankees… but the WINS BABY

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          It’s almost as if wins and losses are statistics filled with too much randomness and noise to be the primary ways of evaluating pitchers…

          • Thomas

            You play to win the game! It is the only stat that matter.

            • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

              It determines who makes the playoffs, and who wins the World Series!

              • JAG

                Which is why the Cardinals made the post-season behind 20-win Wainwright and why the Yankees and Phillies had a premier World Series matchup between 21-game winners CC Sabathia and Roy Halladay.

                /sarcasm’d

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                  Fun fact, there were no 20-game winners in 2009. In 2008, there were 4: Roy Halladay on Toronto, Cliff Lee on Cleveland, Mike Mussina on the Yankees, and Brandon Webb on Arizona. What did all these guys have in common? None of their teams made the playoffs.

                  • JAG

                    Ah, pitcher wins. I’m not sure there are any stats used to decide as much that are as worthless as you.

      • Chris

        Johnson was pretty damn awesome that year. If only the Yankees had acquired him, it would have changed everything…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          But he went 16-14. That’s a .500 pitcher, Chris. That guy sucked.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            And Sheets was 12-14 despite 264 strikeouts and a 8.25 K/BB.

            The two demonstrably best pitchers in the league combined to go 28-28

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Not enough tRA.

  • Monteroisdinero

    Halladay and real estate: location, location, location…

  • vin

    Check out Ubaldo’s stats from the first 2 months of the season.

    http://www.baseball-reference......;t=p#month

    He basically faced pitchers 1-9, every game. His hot start is all but forgotten because of Wainwright and Halladay.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      I wouldn’t say it was forgotten. He finished third despite a 4.08 ERA from June 6th on.

  • http://www.twitter.com/astrophunq Dax J.

    I’ll say the same as Mike. I’m glad he’s not in the AL. I knew that he was going to be a beast once he got traded to the Phillies.