Nov
09

Jeter, Cano Teixeira take home Gold Glove awards

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Three Yankee fielders — but arguably not the most deserving one on the team — took home AL Rawlings Gold Glove Awards this afternoon. Derek Jeter took home his fifth award while Mark Teixeira captured his fourth overall and second straight Gold Glove. Robinson Cano, an MVP candidate in his own right, grabbed his first at second base. Brett Gardner, with his 12 assists and an AL-leading 22.3 UZR in left field, was not honored.

In addition to the three Yankee winners, Ichiro Suzuki took home his record-tying 10th straight Gold Glove while Joe Mauer nabbed his third straight award and Mark Buehrle and Evan Longoria both won for the second straight year. Rays left fielder Carl Crawford, now a free agent, won his first award and Seattle’s Franklin Gutierrez took home the honors as well.

“It is particularly gratifying to be recognized for defense, as it is something I take a lot of pride in and am constantly working to improve,” Jeter said in a statement this afternoon.

The Gold Glove, of course, usually lead to a lot of hand-wringing because the awards aren’t a true measure of defensive prowess. Unlike the Cy Young, MVP and Rookie of the Year awards chosen by the BBWAA, baseball’s players and coaches vote on the Gold Glove winners, and the award is as much a popularity contest based upon name recognition and offensive production as it is on defensive ability. As Tim Marchman wrote last year, we should give the Gold Gloves the same deference movie buffs give the Academy Awards.

If we were going to nitpick the awards, though, we can. Based on UZR — a flawed metric — the following fielders should have won: Gardner, Crawford and Suzuki in the OF; Daric Barton at first base (Mark Teixeira had a negative UZR in 2010); Mark Ellis or Orlando Hudson at second; and Kevin Kouzmanoff at third. Pitchers and catchers should be assessed on non-UZR metrics. Gutierrez is an excusable choice but Brett Gardner wuz robbed.

And because it’s much in the news these days, this award shouldn’t impact the Yanks’ contract negotiations with Derek Jeter. His winning simply highlights how the Gold Glove process is broken. Few, if any, Yankee fans would put forward a compelling argument that Jeter deserves the award, but baseball seems content to allow the process to move forward without any attempt at achieving an objective standard. It simply means we won’t put much stock in the award.

Anyway, congrats to the three Yankee winners. Deserved winners or not, this team’s defense has come a long way since the mid-2000s.

Photo Credit: AP Photo/Bill Kostroun

Categories : Defense
  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Congratulations to Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, and Mark Teixeira for hitting well enough to win baseball’s preeminent defensive award.

    I can’t wait for Jesus Montero to win the 2013 Gold Glove at catcher.

    • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

      Jeter didn’t even hit well.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        He hit well enough.

        Sad but probably true fact: If Alexei Ramirez would have hit, oh, say, .303/.342/.459 instead of the .282/.313/.431 he actually put up, he probably would have won the 2010 AL SS Gold Glove.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        But still better than every other SS in the AL.

        • Poopy Pants

          But not for that kind of money, imo.

          • Sayid J.

            Nobody is talking about value here.

    • Mike HC

      hahahaa … perfect first comment.

  • Xstar7

    Teixeira and Cano deserve these awards.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I don’t even know if I’d go that far.

      Cano, Jeter, and Tex were all good defenders this year (although I’d listen to arguments on Jeter), but were any of them the BEST at their positions defensively? I’d say it’s a resounding “no”.

      • ZZ

        It is a resounding “no” that Teix and Cano were the best at their position?

        Why exactly is that?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Cano’s probably not a resounding no (I’d say he’s in a dead heat with Orlando Hudson and Mark Ellis among AL 2Bs).

          Mark Teixeira is not remotely the best defensive first baseman in the American League. Go look at what Daric Barton or Lyle Overbay are doing and tell me Tex is better than they are.

          Tex is good, even damn good, but in 2010 he wasn’t the best. Other players made more plays than he did. It’s not a knock on him, it’s just praise of others.

          • ZZ

            What are you basing this opinion on?

            • AndrewYF

              UZR.

              • ZZ

                So that is the only way to evaluate a player’s defense?

                Their UZR ratings from 2010?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  If it was just UZR, it would be one thing. But Plus-Minus, Defensive Runs Saved, etc., they all agree that neither Tex nor Cano were top-three at their position this year.

                  • ZZ

                    I was just answering Andrew. If you are just basing this on UZR I don’t know what to tell you.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      I think I pretty clearly just said that I wasn’t just basing it on UZR.

                    • ZZ

                      I was responding to Andrew who only said UZR.

                  • Chris

                    Those are all based off of the same inputs. So it’s not surprising that they agree.

                • Mister Delaware

                  Nope, especially not 1B. But Barton is awesome and guys like Youkilis and Pena are as good or better than Teix. The numbers don’t support Cano but I’d say he’s the most defensible pick. Of course, if I were an As fan (and I cared about the Gold Glove), I’d be rightfully pissed about all 3.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              The consensus of all the defensive metrics available to us, as well as the results of the Fielding Bible Awards, and my own personal opinions from the plays I saw this year from all those players.

              Tex had a great season. Daric Barton had a greater season. It happens.

              • ZZ

                Ok that is your opinion and evaluating defense is highly subjective.

                Teix may not be the best, but I have no issue with him winning the award.

                Cano, I see him as the best defensive 2B in the AL, no matter what any of the metrics say.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  No, it’s not just my opinion, as I just explained to you.

                  It’s my opinion, and the opinions of the majority of a group of fairly smart baseball writers who created their own award for fielding to make up for the inaccuracies of the Gold Gloves, and it’s the consensus opinion of a host of defensive metrics tabulated in different ways that may have some flaws individually but still present a compelling case when they all come to the same conclusion.

                  Evaluating defense is highly subjective, yes. When a host of people and statistical frameworks determined to evaluate defense in the most analytical, least subjective way come to a fairly universal consensus, that’s a powerful statement that shouldn’t be dismissed lightly.

                  • ZZ

                    You are making it sound like these metrics and these people are using different criteria to make these judgments.

                    The people are basically using the metrics so their opinion is redundant and these metrics are not that different.

                    You are basically saying a bunch of things that are determined using roughly the same criteria should not be dismissed lightly.

                    That is not compelling unless the approaches taken have more variety and alternate frameworks.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Mark Teixeira is not remotely the best defensive first baseman in the American League.

            That’s a really bold statement. Tex is extremely good. Daric Barton is also very good. I do not think Overbay is a particularly great defensive 1B at all.

          • MikeD

            I have no faith in ANY of the advanced defensive metrics systems when it comes to rating firstbase. Same with catchers. Bill James voted for Tex as the best at first base in the league when the Fielding Bible was announced a cuple weeks back. And you know why? Because he’s Bill James, and this was his way of saying they’ve yet to figure out 1B, and I agree.

            • mbonzo

              I agree. People keep saying that UZR should be the basis for defensive stats because its the best we’ve come up with, unfortunately its not good enough for me. The only thing I think is usable is CS%.

              • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                Isn’t caught stealing percentage way too influenced by the pitcher? If you have too many pitchers who are too slow to the plate, a catcher will have a deflated CS% even if he has the best arm in the league.

                • mbonzo

                  I don’t think its accurate, but its usable. Unless your a personal catcher, you’re gonna most likely be catching about 20 different pitchers a year. The number of pitchers with slow and fast deliveries are even enough that I trust the stat.

                  • mbonzo

                    I don’t think it’s as accurate as I’d want it to be*

                  • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

                    That’s another flawed assumption though. Even if a catcher receives pitches from 20 different pitches, four of those guys are going to account for around 700 innings. The ability to hold runners has a high impact on stolen base success rates.

                    • mbonzo

                      four of those guys are more likely to account for a little less than 600 innings in my opinion. 4 guys may account for 700 IP for a team but there is also a backup catcher that’ll take about 1/5th of the starters. I’d say about 60% of an mlb catcher’s innings are from the 5 starting pitchers. For the Yankees this year had 61% of their total 1442 innings from their 5 starters. Its a large enough sample size for me to think that CS% has significance. If I had more time it would be interesting to look at CS% based on relievers and starters and see how it compares with their total.

  • Granderslam

    Wow. Three Yankees. I’m very surprised about Jeter…not sure about this choice- would’ve like to have seen Gardner’s name instead, but not complaining obviously. Well-deserved for Cano and Tex. Congrats to them!

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Yeah, Gardner and Granderson both merited strong consideration for GGs, but you can’t be too mad at the Crawford-Gutierrez-Ichiro AL outfield the voters did pick, though.

      Jeter, though?

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jX69.....really.jpg (safe)

  • Kevin in Delectable Princeton

    The gold gloves are a joke, but it was nice to see Franklin Gutierrez get one after getting snubbed last year. Maybe Gardner can get enough recognition to take one home next year.

    • Xstar7

      Its nice to see Robbie getting one after getting snubbed last year.

      • pete

        snore

        • Xstar7

          You should drink some 5 hour energy so you dont have that 4:30 feeling

          • pete

            I thought it was a two thirty feeling?

            Sorry that came off as rude, though, I didn’t mean for it to be. I’m just curious how much time people who feel cano got snubbed last year actually spent watching other 2Bs. Cano does make a lot of plays that a lot of other 2Bs don’t make, and he’s one of the fastest double-play turners in the league, but there are also a lot of balls he doesn’t turn into outs, and the double play thing probably only realizes an extra out a couple times a season.

            • Xstar7

              You made the comment at 4:30. And overall Robinson Cano has been the best second basemen in baseball the last two years.

              • Poopy Pants

                He’s not just a second baseman! He’s a second basemen!

              • pete

                overall i agree. purely defensively, though, i disagree.

    • MikeD

      I think there is a bit of a delay here, as they’re finally recognizing Franklin Gutierrez for the past two years. Of course, the year they awarded him was his weakest in the field, although he was still strong. So I suppose it is possible Gardner will win one in the next year or two if he can keep up the good glove work.

      • Evan

        don;t forget the good batting stats too…

  • Hughesus Christo

    How is this Crawford’s first? WTF?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Blame Torii Hunter.

      (Actually, blame the BBWAA for intellectual laziness vis-a-vis Torii Hunter.)

      • Dick Whitman

        But that catch on a Bonds near HR!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Torii Hunter is still spendin’ money from ’88.

          /Jay-Z’d

      • Esteban

        Managers and coaches vote for Gold Gloves. You can’t blame the BBWAA for this.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Ah, my bad.

          (Actually, blame the BBWAA managers and coaches for intellectual laziness vis-a-vis Torii Hunter.)

        • Dick Whitman

          I’m still blaming the BBWAA, regardless. Until they put Blyleven in the Hall, they’re getting the blame for everything wrong with baseball, Stark on ARod style.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Checkmate.

          • Plank

            Please stop caring about the hall of fame. Just invent your own HOF and put any players you want in.

            http://www.efqreview.com/NewFi.....ugout.html

            • Dick Whitman

              No thanks.

            • pete

              Yeah, stop holding prestige to such high standards!!

          • MikeD

            Blame it on Canada.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        Actually, blame the coaches and players. They vote for this award.

        • Andy In Sunny Daytona

          Damn refresh. I had Tommie in my sights. I HAD HIM!!!! And he got AWAY!!!!!

  • http://161ststreet.wordpress.com Chris A

    Well then, I think this award certainly just lost all of its credibility, if it even had any. Congratulations to Cano for just being awesome, congratulations to Teixeira for having a great reputation as a fielder, and congratulations to Jeter for being Jeter.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      It lost it a looooong time before this

      • http://161ststreet.wordpress.com Chris A

        That’s what I kind of think, but if anyone still had respect for this reward, this should be where they realize what a joke it is.

      • AndrewYF

        About the time of Rafael Palmeiro, I think.

  • steve (different one)

    Casey Close just let out a maniacal cackle. Hilarious that Jeter won.

  • Hughesus Christo

    Derek Jeter just made 900 million more on his new deal.

  • larryf

    Jeter got to all 14 grounders flawlessly. 3 of the throws Tex scooped up at first.

  • Esteban

    Coaches vote on this award right? They’re even worse at awards voting than the BBRAA is.

  • Dick Whitman

    You’re still my boy, Brett!

  • larryf

    Posada and Cervelli refused to share theirs. Too bad.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Somewhere, Daric Barton, Orlando Hudson, and Alexei Ramirez each shed a single tear.

    • Jobu

      Is that a combined tear or three separate tears?

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    I actually can’t complain too vociferously about any of these but Jeter. Yeah, Gardner should’ve won, but at least Torii Hunter didn’t win again?!?!

    • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

      This will only fuel him to come back stronger next year and win all 3 gold gloves for the outfield.

    • Thomas

      Also, luckily Micheal Young didn’t win again.

  • AJ

    Well deserved. They can all rejoice with a laugh:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okXhAC78d4Q

  • MattG

    Teixeira has good (maybe even excellent) hands, and puts forth a lot of effort, but he has one-step-and-a-dive range. A lot of his great plays are routine for other fielders, and if it weren’t for the hands, ‘pastadivingtex’ would be a catch-phrase, too.

    This is to say I do not consider Tex anymore than an average fielder, and find the award unmerited.

    • pat

      But teh scoopz and throwz!!!!!

    • ZZ

      That is a highly subjective opinion and one that I would say most people disagree with.

      • MattG

        One-step-and-a-dive is not subjective, as it is easily seen on video. On any ball hit with moderate speed, he takes one step, and he dives.

        The part about the hands is most certainly subjective, however he comes up with an amazing percentage of balls from those dives, so there is some credit to give.

        There is something to be said for getting after balls as Tex does–as if it got by him, it would kill his grandma–but he plays the game with his stomach in the dirt when some of his peers stay on their feet.

        • Andy In Sunny Daytona

          How much range is a 1st baseman supposed to have?

          • MattG

            One-step-and-a-dive.

            How much should a gold glove first baseman have? 3-4 steps?

            • Andy In Sunny Daytona

              What was Tex’s range on foul balls like?

              • Dirt

                One-step-and-a-bunch-more.

          • OldYanksFan

            Mattingly had more range then the average 3rd baseman. He made plays in the hole routinely.

        • ZZ

          It is subjective at the rate at which you believe he does that and his lack of range in general on other hit balls.

          • MattG

            Possible, as I phrase it, it is subjective, but I don’t mean it to be. I mean to say Teixeira takes one step and dives for balls, always. Watch the replays and count the steps.

            What does this mean? That’s subjective. To me it means he’s not quick, and he doesn’t have to pay for his uniforms.

          • OldYanksFan

            I think being subjective is subjective at best.

        • OldYanksFan

          Wow…. I’m glad to hear someone else say this. I am not the most analytical fan, but I watched almost every Yankees game on TV, and around the ASB my standard saying was: “Amazing! Teix catches EVERYTHING he can fall on!”

          I would therefore concur based on that and his super-scooping, that he has good hands, good hand-eye, and limited range (as he can’t fall on balls 3 steps to his right).

  • http://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    I root for Jeter to win the gold glove every year almost strictly because I know it annoys people

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I can respect this juvenile and malevolent position.

      • http://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

        I never figured out why people could so passionately care about the frigging gold gloves anyway. Its like getting bent out of shape over the manager of the year.

        • http://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

          I also just don’t particularly like most defensive metrics. I remember a few years ago Melky Cabrera was both the best and worst centerfielder in the league depending on whose stat you looked at.

          • pete

            uhh…when? what stats?

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Ahahaha everyone should check out the front page of Baseball Reference right now

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      http://www.baseball-reference......d_fielding::13

      To paraphrase Jon Drummond talking about the sad ending of Carl Lewis’s illustrious track and field career, “He came in dead buttnaked last.”

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Someone’s unhappy.

      • Mister Delaware

        That’s pretty funny.

      • Xstar7

        Derek Jeter 2010 Gold Glove Winner? How About That!

  • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

    Mark Buehrle had the award wrapped up by the first game of the season.

  • CountryClub

    I posted this over at Lohud, but it fits this thread too:

    Rob Neyer’s blog post is interesting. First he rips on Jeter, but then he goes on to write the following:

    “I will happily admit that I don’t really get Teixeira. Maybe he’s one of those players you really do have to “see every day” to appreciate. The numbers that we’ve got for him are not impressive. I didn’t rank him among the 10 best first basemen in the majors, and neither did Peter Gammons. But Bill James had him No. 1, and so did Hal Richman.”

    Isn’t that odd how different people’s views of the same player can be? 2 guys dont even vote for him and 2 others rank him 1st.

    Then there was this:

    “At least Gutierrez and Crawford did play really well again this year. But this year’s Gutierrez is Brett Gardner, who played so brilliantly in left field that he probably should have gotten the Gold Glove that went to Crawford if the voters really wanted to reward a left fielder. And in all honesty, doesn’t everybody think that Gardner would make an excellent center fielder as well? And does anyone think the same about Crawford at this point? Crawford doesn’t play center field because the Rays think B.J. Upton is better. Gardner doesn’t play center field because the Yankees don’t want to mess with Curtis Granderson.”

    So people can’t just say he’s anti-yankee when he’s saying that Gardner was brilliant.

    • http://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

      “I will happily admit that I don’t really get Teixeira. Maybe he’s one of those players you really do have to “see every day” to appreciate. The numbers that we’ve got for him are not impressive. I didn’t rank him among the 10 best first basemen in the majors, and neither did Peter Gammons. But Bill James had him No. 1, and so did Hal Richman.”

      That’s why I really don’t like defensive stats.

      • CountryClub

        Yeah, but isn’t James the Godfather of the numbers guys?

        • Mister Delaware

          I think its Alan Roth if we’re being technical.

      • MikeD

        As I noted above, even among the advanced metrics crowd, there is a great belief that firstbase and catcher are two positions they have not quite figured out. That’s pretty amazing, since that’s one quarter of the eight defensive position players.

        By voting for Tex at firstbase, James is basically acknowledging he doesn’t believe any of the numbers, so he went with the guy with the best reputation.

    • AuntE

      Best Left Fielder in baseball – Gardner- as named by the Fielding Bible Awards. AMEN.

    • Mister Delaware

      Crawford has played himself off of CF on merit, sort of like Ellsbury did. Gardner was moved to accomodate someone else. Big difference.

  • ZZ

    Why do people care about these stupid awards so much? I mean some fans get more worked up over this nonsense than the players do.

    I can’t wait for CC to get his Cy Young.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Is saying that “I disagree with this, and here’s why” the same thing as saying “OMG I CARE ABOUT THIS SO MUCH SOMEONE SHOULD BE FIRED OVER THIS AAAAAAAH!!!!!”

      • ZZ

        Come on. You have gotten angry and/or extremely annoyed in discussions about these awards several times. Especially the Cy Young discussion.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Mainly with you, sure, when you hijack the conversations with your strawmen and red herrings.

          • ZZ

            Are you saying that my arguments are so smart and compelling that you can’t keep your cool when I present them?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Yeah, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Exactly.

              • ZZ

                I’m glad we sorted that out.

                I’ll try to dumb it down a bit. I don’t want to see you land in anger management or something because of ZZ.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  I’m glad you think you’ve accomplished something.

                  • ZZ

                    You do realize I’m joking?

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      I do, and it doesn’t matter.

              • pete

                A strawman, eh? Well I can prove to you that I am not, in fact, a fireman, so there!

    • Scooby

      Except those players who have Gold Glove bonus clauses in their contracts.

    • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      “Why do people care about these stupid awards so much? I mean some fans get more worked up over this nonsense than the players do.”

      It’s crazy how some people in this thread have posted like 17 comments already.

    • Poopy Pants

      I agree. These awards mean nothing to me.

  • Max

    Honestly, doesn’t this say something about the coaches and managers?

    This is not rhetorical, I’d really like to know what people think. Do you think they seriously believe that Jeter is the most deserving ss in the AL?

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      Hey, let’s keep ‘em on their toes…

      • YankFanDave

        Honestly, I think MLB players, coaches and managers know a little something about the game.

        Every year the same rant about this award as if all the other awards aren’t flawed, biased or subjective.

        The only pick I have found totally off in recent memory was Rafael Palmeiro’s win when he played about 1/3 of a season at 1B, that was way off.

        To the BWAA members, so the fans pick most of the all star team and players/coaches pick this award, be satisfied with being the lords of nearly all the other awrds.

        Congratulations to Jeter, Cano and Teixeira, job well done!

  • larryf

    So is Jeter the oldest SS to win it? gotta be close to it..

    • Kevin in Delectable Princeton

      I think I read somewhere he was the oldest to win it last year, so yes, he is the oldest this year.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      Yes, he beat Derek Jeter’s record set in 2009 at age 35.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Omar Vizquel won the NL Gold Glove for SS at age 39.

      • Xstar7

        Does Jeter have the record for the american league at least?

      • larryf

        and he plays a good 3B at 43. Our future awaits us.

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

    While we’re complaining,
    Longo at third?
    /Jussaying’d

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Longoria’s an excellent fielding 3B. No issues with that.

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        Ok.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Who would you have picked? I think Longo is excellent at the hot corner.

    • Thomas

      Longoria might not have been the best, but he was by all stats in the top 3, arguably 2. Jeter, Cano, Teixeira were not.

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        wait… what?

        • Thomas

          By most advanced fielding stats, Teixeira and Cano were about the 4th or 5th best fielders at their position (average UZR and RZR with Teixeira also average in DRS and Cano also average in TZ, while both graded out above average in the other defensive stats). Longoria had defensive stats slightly below Kouzmanoff and equal to Beltre.

          Cano and Teixeira were slightly above average defensively, while Longoria was excellent.

  • vinny-b

    remember when Gold Gloves were given to the best defensive player at their postion ?

    Derek Jeter + Gold Glove = joke

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      remember when Gold Gloves were given to the best defensive player at their postion ?

      No, because that never happened.

      • vinny-b

        how long have you been following baseball?

        and yes, it used to be the case numb nuts.

        • pat

          HAH joke’s on you. SHE DOESN’T HAVE ANY NUTS!!!!!

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          Tone down the language. No further warnings.

          Also, bexarama’s a girl so “numb nuts” is a pretty lame insult.

          • Mister Delaware

            Numb boobs?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Also, bexarama’s a girl so “numb nuts” is a pretty lame insult.

            “Numb nuts” is a pretty lame insult regardless of the gender of the person you’re speaking to.

          • Poopy Pants

            Was something deleted? Am I missing something?

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Well that’s rude.

          how long have you been following baseball?

          Since like 1990. When I was 4.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Also, as others have pointed out, I do not have any nuts, as I’m a girl. So… you lose. A lot.

            • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

              YOU, WITH YOUR PONYTAILS AND NO NUTS, ARE A DISGRACE TO BASEBALL!

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN GIRLS TRY TO TALK ABOUT BASEBALL ON THE INTERNET.

                • Xstar7

                  Writing comments in all capital letters is against the ruuuuuuuuuuuules.

          • Xstar7

            The only notable thing about the yankees 1990 season was Andy Hawkins’s no-hitter which was easily the most hilarious of all time.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Easy, vinny. Let go of the throttle, there. We’re all friends here.

          • Chris

            I thought people who liked baseball stats had no friends…

            • Xstar7

              speak for yourself

        • http://twitter.com/simmonsclass Sam

          /ponytail’d

          • pete

            /patiently awaits RAB’s installment of a “like” button in the vein of facebook

      • MikeD

        Bex, I’m not sure about this one. I predate you by about twenty years (I’m not admitting to being old, just older!), so I do remember when the Gold Gloves went to players named Mark Belanger, Bobby Grich and Brooks Robinson, and then Nettles (he should have taken over from Robinson three or four years sooner, but Robinson was still quite good, even in his latter years), and Frank White, and in the OF it was Dwight Evans and Dwayne Murphy and Dave Winfield, etc. All these guys were top flight fielders. My impression over the past fifteen years of so is there are “worse” winners than in the past.

        • JAG

          I’m pretty sure bex isn’t saying that the GG winners are universally horrible fielders. The original comment suggested that at one point the Gold Glove award was actually given to the best fielders in the game and bex was saying that’s not the case…and she’s completely right, because we don’t have sufficient measuring tools NOW to say who the actual best players at all 8 (9) positions are. To expect that they had these tools in past years is not realistic.

          The guys you mention were undoubtedly good fielders. However, the Gold Glove is (kinda sorta) SUPPOSED to go to the absolute best fielders and that doesn’t ever happen. It doesn’t now and it never did.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Also can we all laugh at no PITCHING AND DEFENSE!!!! Red Sox winning… again?

    • pat

      Joke’s on you because the Sox rotation is taking home all 5 Cy Young’s this year.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        I heard they’re renaming it the Red Sox Five Aces Award for Excellence in Pitching.

        • http://www.twitter.com/brandonholley B-Rando

          The Casey Kelly Memorial Boston Red Sox Five Aces Award for Excellence in Pitching, sponsored by Citgo and Sam Adams.

          Fixed that for you…

      • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

        I really enjoyed this comment.

    • http://twitter.com/simmonsclass Sam

      RUN PREVENTION!!!!
      And Ramon Ramirez could close for any NL team, too.

    • Thomas

      No Sox was eligible because the fives aces didn’t let any balls get put in play.

      Seriously, though I doubt most Red Sox were eligible due to injuries (Ellsbury, Cameron, Youkilis, Drew, and Pedroia) and Beltre was as deserving as Longoria.

  • Hughesus Christo

    Defensive stats are complete garbage. We all know this, yet people still go to “Sort – UZR” when these awards come out. Stop.

    And no, Jeter wasn’t the best SS.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      (thinks)

      Sure, I’ll play…

      Why wasn’t Jeter the best SS?

      • Hughesus Christo

        I please the fifth. F-I-F, fifth.

        • Hughesus Christo

          Plead*

          And my eyes tell me he isn’t the best SS*. BEAT THAT, TSJC.

          * – they tell me he isn’t the worst, either

          • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

            So your eyes are valid, but the trained eyes that look at every single play in baseball and help create UZR are not valid?

            • ZZ

              That is not the only part of the equation.

              Those people have to do their job well AND the metric has to be accurate. It doesn’t matter how well trained those people are if their are putting data into a poor framework.

              • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                So hold on, hold on… You’re saying you don’t like UZR?

                • ZZ

                  That’s a good question.

                  I don’t know what to think of UZR because it hasn’t been tested nearly enough and they haven’t released nearly enough information on the framework + how they arrived at this framework for me to have an informed opinion.

                  I don’t dislike UZR, but I have no clue what to think of it.

                  • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

                    I’m with you on this one. UZR is a step in the right direction, but I have to be skeptical for the reasons you mentioned.

                • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

                  No no Mondesi, that’s not how it works. Whatever you think, ZZ will argue the opposite. He’s like a robot disagree…er. ;)

                  • ZZ

                    You caught me!

                    I have to go back to the lab for reprogramming now. :mad:

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          No, come on, spill it. Give me a reason why Derek Jeter wasn’t the best SS in baseball. And don’t use defensive stats.

          Don’t use anecdotal eyewitness testimony, either, because that is also complete garbage.

          • MattG

            Is ‘zero backflips’ a statistic?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Well played.

      • Xstar7

        I’m actually not as surprised as I should be about Jeter winning the gold glove. This was a down year for AL shortstops and even though Jeter was pretty bad for his standards he was still one of the better shortstops in the AL.

  • mike

    Great .They all deserve them. Let’s not have any crazy talk about Jeters fielding using some statistical mumbo jumbo calculations. Fielding ability never was and never will be able to be judged by a mathematical system. Fielding average tells little about a fielder’s ability. Recent hall of famer Joe Gordon did not always have a great fielding average because he got to so many extra balls that no one else could get to. Although Jeters average is always very good. Just watch Jeter every day and marvel at his ability. Diving for balls does not make a fielder better just flashier. Judgment on the field is the most important thing for a fielder.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
      • Xstar7

        Why dont we all sit down together and read this wonderful book. (Sarcasm)

        • pat

          That was a funny joke. (Sarcasm)

          • Xstar7

            Why so critical I was just messing around c’mon.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      You know that going into the ALCS the Rangers scouters specifically pointed out the declining defensive ability of Jeter as something to their advantage, right?

      • MikeD

        Were those the same scouts that said the Yankees looked old and lethargic against the Rangers, right before the Rangers looked old an lethargic against the Giants?

        • JohnnyC

          It was also quite funny how Jose Uribe and Edgar Renteria completely outplayed Elvis Andrus with the glove in the World Serious. Who looked old and lethargic in that matchup?

      • JohnnyC

        I doubt the Rangers scouters have ever had anything complimentary to say about the Yankees (for public consumption anyway)even in the days of Juan Gone and I-Rod.

  • Moshe Mandel

    Those using metrics to say Tex didn’t deserve it: BP’s updated FRAA had him first in MLB. The metrics are muddy on a lot of these guys. I don’t think you can definitively question that selection when the numbers are mixed on him and most scouts and observers think he is excellent. Same on Cano. You can begin to question when guys like Jeter, on whom there is a stats and scouting consensus, wins the award again.

  • larryf

    For the balls he got to, Jeter was the best. Is that fair?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      For the homers he hit, Jose Bautista was the best hitter in baseball. Is that fair?

      • larryf

        best power hitter-nah

    • pete

      For the balls he got to, Jeter was the best. Is that fair?

      ftfy

  • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

    http://espn.go.com/blog/SweetS.....d-as-usual

    Neyer works fast, my favorite line was:

    “Of course, Jeter isn’t the only beneficiary of the Yankee halo; Mark Teixeira wins his fourth Gold Glove (and second as a Yankee), Robinson Cano his first.”

    Ahh first we don’t care about fielding now we have the infamous halo; keep up the great writing Neyer.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      GG awards are only biased when the Yankees win them.

    • JohnnyC

      It’s tough when you grow up and your boyhood heroes continually get their asses sanded by the Yankees. Neyer’s 40 but he’s emotionally probably closer to 12.

  • pete

    Torii Hunter didn’t win it this year. So there’s that. I don’t really take issue with any of the OF gold gloves this year, actually. The yankee reps, though, were not very good choices.

    I don’t think it’s possible to make an argument in favor of Jeter’s deservingness of the GG this year, but the crazy thing is that he has won the award off worse defensive years than this one, where he was decidedly below average, but not putrid.

    Tex clearly won off of reputation; I personally think he has lost a couple steps in the field. He has exceptionally smooth hands and is one of the best throwers at the position, but you rarely see him make some of the plays that Youkilis makes pretty routinely on balls toward the middle of the right side.

    Cano has cut back on some of his issues from earlier in his career, namely the tendency to make errors, but I still wouldn’t call him a world-beater out there. He turns the double play better than anybody I’ve ever seen, he has tremendous arm strength, and his hands have gotten to be as smooth as just about anybody’s, but he still lets a decent number of fieldable balls get by him, either under his glove when he is ranging, or simply because he doesn’t have as much lower body agility of a lot of other middle infielders (Ellis, Hudson, and – yes – Pedroia come to mind). All told I think he’s above average, but I don’t think of him as elite. Just my perspective, though.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      Pedroia right now has zero lower body range.
      Let’s keep it that way.

      • pete

        haha

    • ZZ

      If it is just your perspective how is it “clear” Teix won off reputation?

      • pete

        sorry, should have mentioned that it was clear to me based from my perspective. I didn’t find his play remotely impressive this year. I’ve seen Youkilis play a ton, and I think he’s significantly better. I watched Mientkeiwicz play every day he was here and think he was significantly better. I will admit, though – I can’t say that I’ve seen enough of Barton to really make a case for him, and he appears to have been the only standout AL 1B this year, according to the defensive metrics. So it’s possible that Barton had a flukey year and Teix really was just a middling best. But I certainly don’t understand the fawning over his defense. I think he had a much better year offensively this year than defensively, and he had a down year on offense. To me he really just seems very average.

  • kr

    Colin Wyers new work(kind of similar to Tango’s WOWY) has Tex as the #1 1b. His stuff also points out the alarming evidence of range bias in most PBP metrics.

  • larryf

    Surprised that AJ and his consistently reproducible follow through to the perfect fielding position….

    nah

  • pastadivingarod

    What no Arod or Posada?

  • Xstar7

    Thumbs up If you think Greg Golson should get a gold glove for that amazing play he made in Tampa Bay.

    • larryf

      why there’s no telling what he could do if he played for a whole week straight!

  • matthaggs

    Gold Glove Awards : Emmy Awards :: Jeter : Frasier’s brother.

    • MattG

      Jeter is the athletic version of David Hyde Pierce?

      • matthaggs

        Once you win either award you keep winning them, like when Raffy Palmeiro won for 28 games of defensive “excellence” in ’99. It’s a joke.

        The Wire never won an Emmy Award. Similar joke.

        Both are meritless popularity contests that could easily be reformed if anyone actually gave a shit.

        • MattG

          Oh, so:

          Gold Glove Award : Jeter :: Emmy Award : Frasier’s Brother

  • mbonzo

    So while everyones complaining about Jeter and Teix winning gold gloves I guess Mauer’s defense is untouchable. Sorry, he’s a very good hitter but a meh fielder. He’s only posted a 26% caught stealing rate over the last 2 years. There are way better catchers out there. His past balls are low, but all of the defensive metrics that the haters for Jeter and Teix are relying on completely forget about Mauer’s. He was average in everything. Wieters deserved the award this year.

    • pete

      I don’t trust any of the metrics on first basemen or catchers. I don’t watch mauer enough to get an accurate read on his defense.

      Watching Teixiera and Jeter every day, however, points to something that seems fringy-average at best to me, though.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I agree, Mauer isn’t deserving of his elite defensive rep. He’s fine, it’s not embarrassing or hurting his team out there, but I don’t think he’s the best catcher, at all.

  • Mike HC

    Congrats to Jete, Tex and Robbie. All played very admirable defense. Were they the best? I doubt it, but I can’t watch everyone play, so maybe. ha

    • Xstar7

      Even though his offense was lagging Granderson played an admirable Centerfield and should’ve gotten more consideration for the gold glove award. But who am I kidding? The award is basically for the most popular player at each position (With the exception of Franklin Gutierrez who doesn’t get that much media.)

  • Yank the Frank

    For diving into the stands in 2004 against Boston, Jeter deserves the award in 2010 regardless.

    • Xstar7

      Don’t forget his flip play in 2001. For that we should give him the AL MVP.

  • cano is the bro

    how the hell did casey kelly not win a gold glove this year??

    shocked

    • mbonzo

      He should have stuck with football. Maybe he’ll win a gold glove in that.

  • Poopy Pants

    Shouldn’t Molina get one just for playing on TWO World Series teams in ONE year?

  • OldYanksFan

    Anyone know how Cano and Teix rated on Dewan? I trust that system more then URZ.

    • Chris

      They’re on fangraphs. Tex was -1 run saved, which was basically tied with Pena and Cotchman, but behind Barton and Overbay. Cano was at 7, which was basically tied with Kinsler, Hill and Ellis, but behind Hudson.

      Using Total Zone (from BBRef), Tex was at 7, behind Overbay (8), Barton(10) and Morneau(12). Cano was at 0, behind Kinsler, Hill, Ellis and Pedroia (plus others that were only part time at 2B).

      • OldYanksFan

        Thanks. Is It OT if I suugest a thread to discuss Defensive Metrics – Pros and Cons – Strengths and Weaknesses?

  • tommydee2000

    Jeter received Tino’s Gold Glove.

  • Mr. P

    Last I checked, these aren’t the UZR or other assorted esoteric internet stat awards. Congrats to Jeter. The lack of respect being shown to a man who’s still able to play the most demanding position on the field adequately at age 36 is rather disgusting.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Let me put in non-esoteric terms for you: If you don’t get to a ball, you can’t drop it. Does that help?

    • http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/yank_c.jpg T-Dubs

      Preach on Reverend Gammons. Preach on.

    • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Then he should get the “Mr. P’s Able To Play The Most Demanding Position On The Field Adequately At Age 36 Award,” not the Gold Glove Award.

      • Mike HC

        ha, basically exactly what I was going to comment on.

        The award is for the best fielding shortstop. Not someone who is “adequate.” Mr. P is showing the same lack of respect that everyone else is.

    • Joe

      Even your perception of him doesn’t do him the justice you think he deserves, Mr P. “Adequately?” Even that isn’t deserving when there were excellent defensive shortstops this season. But even “adequately” is overstating his defensive prowess. Sub-par might better describe it.

  • hal p

    Count me as a Yankee fan who is furious that even the Yankee blogosphere will not admit that Jeter did not deserve this award. However flawed UZR is, which I don’t believe it is, I doubt there is a single advanced fielding metric that would put Jeter in the UPPER HALF (much less #1) of AL shortstops.

    Brooks Conrad for Gold Glove today… I guess.

    • Wayne

      How can you say that UZR is not flawed? Cano was clearly, unquestionably the best 2B in the AL, as well as all of baseball, but if you voted on the basis of UZR Cano would have lost. That’s ridiculous!

      And to say Tex had a negative UZR last year is just as absurd. Tex made more diving stops than any 1B I saw this year, and I watch at least 150-200 games a year and watch the MLB channel every night and every morning for game recaps. Moreover, Tex routinely makes difficult scoops look deceptively easy. He’s clearly the best 1B in the AL, yet he wouldn’t have won either, based on UZR.

      UZR is a grossly flawed statistic. How justify UZR saying Cano wasn’t the best 2B in the AL?
      As far as Jeter is concerned, I think most all Yankee fans acknowledges that Jeter didn’t deserve the award this year.

      But let’s not forget that this vote is from the perspective of Professional MLB Players and Coaches, who I think know just a bit more about the game than the writers who cover baseball or those of us who post comments on sites like this.

      And I had to laugh when the writer more or less complained that “Unlike the Cy Young, MVP and Rookie of the Year awards chosen by the BBWAA, baseball’s players and coaches vote on the Gold Glove winners, and the award is as much a popularity contest based (on) name recognition and offensive production as it is on defensive ability.”

      It’s comical for Mr. Kabak to act like the writers never judge players on how they get along with them. That’s BS. Andy got cheated out of a Cy Young many years ago by those supposedly honest writers, and Ted Williams got cheated out of at least a couple of MVPs by Boston writers who hated him personally . . . so spare me the BS that the writers are more impartial than the players and coaches. At least the players and coaches REALLY KNOW what it takes to excel at the MLB level . . . all of the rest of us are just guessing, including the writers.