Open Thread: 42 turns 41

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Feinsand: Rangers 'reach out' to Andy Pettitte

Yesterday it was Jesus Montero, today it’s Mariano Rivera. The greatest relief pitcher in the history of humanity turns 41 years old today, and although he’s not technically a Yankee at the moment, we certainly expect him to be very soon. He simply belongs in pinstripes. Also happy birthday to another all-time great, Dodgers play-by-play announcer Vin Scully. The Bronx-born Scully turns 83 today, and like Mo he remains at the very top of his game late into his career. Happy birthday to a pair of baseball’s greatest.

Here’s your open thread for the night. The MNF game features the 49ers and Cardinals (holy snorefest), plus the Rangers are in action as well. You guys know the drill, so have at it.

Weekend Writer Update: The three of us are still pouring through the applications, I think there’s close to a hundred of them. We want to have this process wrapped up this week, but we’ve still got a ways to go. Stay tuned.

Thanks to RABer Tyler Wilkinson for the graphic.

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For the AL runners-up, $110,302.97 each
Feinsand: Rangers 'reach out' to Andy Pettitte
  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    How did God create Himself?

    • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

      in his own image.

  • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

    As the Olerud/Mattingly discussion broke out today on twitter I mentioned that Will Clark was better than them both. I cannot believe that Mattingly has been on the ballot for 10 years (peaking at 28%) while Clark got just 4.4% in his one year on the ballot. It’s not quite on the Sandberg/Whitaker level of insanity, and I don’t think Clark belongs, but he is woefully underrated if that’s all he could do on the ballot.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Clark was a jerk to the press, Mattingly was and is still an extremely popular player with the fans and media. It’s (at least partially) a popularity contest, that’s why Dawson got in.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Fuck off Nolan Ryan >:(

    • Kit

      What did he do (other than be his obnoxious self at all times)?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ankee.html

        I’m sure RAB’ll have an article on it shortly but HELLS NO.

        • Kit

          Is it wrong that I laughed a little? I’m sure Andy’s laughing at it as well. He left the Astros for a reason and that reason is that he’s ours and no one else’s. But yes, FUCK OFF, LYNN.

    • mike c

      i used to love that guy when i was a kid… still do as a player, but his schtick is played out

    • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I know everyone’s over this whole conversation until next offseason starts… But the Yanks should have offered arbitration to Pettitte. Very low downside if he accepted, cover your ass in case of surprises. Sometimes life buckles your knees with a curveball, you know?

      • mike c

        if you offer a player arbitration and he declines, but then you sign him later– would that end up costing a pick?

        • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          No.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          No.

          Picks are only awarded/exchanged if a player is offered arbitration, declines it, and then signs with a different team. If you sign your own free agent, no draft pick is involved at all.

          • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            A somewhat more thoughtful and comprehensive response than mine.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Most of my Thanksgiving leftovers are already gone; thus I had two free hands and more time/inclination to type a more thorough response.

              Fatty.

              • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Why you would think the word “leftovers” even exists in my world is beyond me. “Leftovers” = “dessert”

        • vin

          No, not if you re-sign your own FA.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        I think they didn’t offer to Mo, Andy and Jeter for two reasons:

        A)One or more of them might accept, and most teams have zero faith in the arbitration process. They think they can do better by negotiating directly with a player than with an arbiter.

        B)The process requires them to knock the player in order to make their case. This can cause a rift between the two sides, and if the info gets out they’re devaluing their own asset.

        Like all things, it comes down to a financial decision. The net value of a pick (after figuring attrition rates and salaries) isn’t worth either the extra money or trouble.

  • cano is the bro

    love the picture, Mo is awesome

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    As for my photoshop contribution on Jetergate.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/5.....5218935177

    • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

      Love it. Next step, JeterBeard!

    • mike c

      hmmm you might be onto something. give jeter the big 6 year deal, but put him on the barry bonds workout program. that guy sure aged gracefully

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      Every time I hear/read San Francisco now, I say San Freakcisco in my head. Thanks Carl.

  • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

    Oh hai, my new desktop background.

    Happy Birthday #42, favorite player of all time.

    • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

      Here’s the Flickr link if you want HiRes: http://bitURL.net/aurg

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        That “back up plan” with Cervelli is frightening!

        • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

          Haha. For realsies.

          • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

            You are amazing. And really, your flickr name is TDubsMofo?

            I laughed.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Squishy Jello Person

    It’s not a coincidence that Jesus and G-d are born one day apart.

  • Sheepmeister

    So I broke down and signed up for twitter, who are the best ones to follow.

    • mike c
    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Go to Mike’s twitter, and basically follow everyone he follows.

      My twitter account is in my link but I never tweet, so I’m not worth following haha.

      • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

        This (@mikeaxisa) plus Ben (@bkabak) and Joe (@joepawl). I follow Keith Law’s list of baseball writers. There’s some good stuff in there.

        http://twitter.com/#!/list/keithlaw/baseball

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      @TheYankeeU
      @mimbro1

      #selfpromotingwhore

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        @jordansmed

        #alsoaselfpromotingwhore

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      @kschmidt2 is my favorite account on Twitter, personally.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Sorry I’m late, guys… I was busy all weekend watching my large collection of Richard Simmons DVDs.

    • Kit

      While you were watching your Richard Simmons DVDs the rest of us were building ramps for our schools. Welcome back, TSJC.

    • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L
    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      am i talking to you? no

    • I Voted for Kodos

      At least your name isn’t mud.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        no no, my name was directly equal to mud. Sob sob.

        Maybe you’re just Tony Womack, like Derek Jeter.

        • I Voted for Kodos

          Well, I am unclutch, washed up, and ground into too many double plays, so perhaps I am.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            The last time Tony Womack grounded into as many as 10 DPs in a season was…never

            The last time Jeter grounded into fewer than 10 DPs in a season was…never (his 51 PAs in 1995 don’t count)

            • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

              Ugh, I hate writing responses predicating on misreading what I’m responding to

              Many apologies

              • I Voted for Kodos

                We’ve all done it before.

                It did make for an interesting fun fact. Reminds me of something from the Did You Know segment Sportscenter had back in the day.

              • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

                Interesting stats nonetheless.

  • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

    Mets closing in on deal for Chris Young… interesting.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Hopefully it’s a low base salary with lots of incentives given his shoulder.

      • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

        Yeah, he probably won’t return to ’06-’08 form, but solid chance of putting up good numbers in Citi.

  • S

    That A-hole Nolan Ryan is trying to steal Andy

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ankee.html

    • Xstar7

      Sarcasm

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Jeter still could help a lot of teams, including the two in Chicago, not to mention that he’s only 74 hits away from 3,000 and is sure to sell a lot of tickets.

    Among the teams that at least must be discussing Jeter: …

    White Sox: Realistically there’s little chance they will get Jeter but the fit shouldn’t be discounted out of hand. Alexei Ramirez, like [Starlin] Castro [of the Cubs], is a rising star. But his original four-year deal ends in 2011 and he will become an expensive proposition starting in ’12. If the White Sox signed Jeter, they could make a series of moves that would give them a chance to win in ’11 and ’12, the last seasons they could have their strong starting rotation in place.

    Ramirez could be dealt, quite possibly to the Yankees along with a bad contract or two (Mark Teahen or Scott Linebrink and catching prospect Tyler Flowers) for Curtis Granderson and possibly one of the Yankees’ two advanced catching prospects, Jesus Montero and Austin Romine. Then they could explore seriously another deal that has been discussed — Carlos Quentin to the Phillies for Raul Ibanez. That would give the White Sox an outfield of Juan Pierre, Granderson and Alex Rios, with Ibanez providing a Plan B if Dayan Viciedo doesn’t grab first base.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....036.column

    Hey Chicago Tribune sportswriter Phil Rogers: Your trade proposal sucks.

    Real, real bad.

    Seriously, I cannot understate how dumb all that batshit insane crazy train crap was. I can’t believe you get paid to do that. I’m thankful that I’m not subjected to the Trib on a daily basis.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      I read that the other day and couldn’t tell if it was satire or not.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I like how halfway through it, when he’s proposing that the Yankees trade away Granderson for Ramirez AND a bad contract, he ups the ante and expects the Yankees to double-down and volunteer to swap one of our good catching prospects for one of the Sox’s demonstrably less good catching prospects.

        It’s like he stopped himself mid-thought and said “This shit isn’t crazy enough, let’s add in a totally ridiculous, improbable, and utterly unnecessary prospect-for-prospect swap AT THE SAME POSITION just to make it even stupider.”

        Kudos, Phil. You’re an artist.

        • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

          Is he the same guy who suggested that Cubs and Sox swap like 20 players and management?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            I have no idea, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he were.

            • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

              It was. holy shitballs this guy is insane.

              With the GM deal complete, the second step to a new and improved offseason for both Chicago teams is one mind-blowing mother of a trade — specifically, the Cubs sending Carlos Zambrano, Kosuke Fukudome, Jeff Samdardzija, Geovany Soto, Randy Wells and Chris Archer to the White Sox for Jake Peavy, Gavin Floyd, Mark Teahen, Scott Linebrink and Tyler Flowers.

              This 11-player swap not only would awaken the senses on both sides of town but also accomplish myriad purposes for Chicago’s teams. The cash is essentially a wash, with an estimated $35 million going from the Cubs to the White Sox and $32 million going the other way. No-trade clauses could be an issue, but let’s be honest — what member of the Cubs would be desperate to stay on the North Side, and vice versa?

              http://www.chicagotribune.com/.....440.column

              • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

                That is absolutely hilarious.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Oh. My. God. That is… that is amazing.

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                From google–“Phil Rogers is in his third decade covering major league baseball, and has done it for the Tribune since 1997″

                Yup, he has a Hall of Fame vote.

              • Kit

                I wish I could un-read this. I laughed, but it’s more a horrified, “how do you get paid to be batshit insane” laugh.

                • I Voted for Kodos

                  “You read it…you can’t unread it!”

                  • Kit

                    My fault for not believing that someone can be incredibly stupid and still get paid.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                  I actually don’t wish I could un-read it just because it is so delightfully crazy.

                  • Kit

                    It is crazy, I’ll give you that, but someone actually came up with that. D:

                  • I Voted for Kodos

                    It looks like the type of trade proposal you’d typically find on a message board. The crazy complicated deal involving millions of dollars and entirely too many players that the poster is convinced is a great idea for both teams.

                    The only thing that would make it better is if he had somehow managed to drag in another team or two.

                    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

                      And of course that was only after he suggested trading GM’s.

                    • I Voted for Kodos

                      Trading GMs may in fact be crazier than suggesting a complicated 3 or 4 team trade.

                      Bravo to that guy.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Montero for Ozzie.

          Do it, Cash

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I read this over the weekend. It’s one of the worst articles on baseball I’ve ever read, I think. That says something!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Agreed. One of my other favorite lines:

        His .340 on-base percentage ranked sixth among the 22 shortstops who qualified for the batting titles and his Mensa-level instincts earned him his fifth Gold Glove as he helped the Yankees reach the championship series for the ninth time in his 15 seasons.

        Looks like someone named Phil Rogers is still peeved that Mensa never accepted his countless membership requests.

        (Also, I wasn’t aware that there were multiple batting titles. Neither was Mensa, for that matter.)

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          on the Red Sox: He would be a great fit playing for Terry Francona and alongside gamers such as Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis.

          on the Twins: Adding a guy with Jeter’s presence could be the equivalent of adding a front-line starter, which is the piece that has seemed lacking.

          on the Angels: Erick Aybar is reaching the point of his career when his salary is starting to outdistance his value.
          (But… but… but… Jeter….!!!!!)

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          There are 2 batting titles. So, while he gets literally everything else wrong, that is something he said right.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      I really, really want to know why the Yankees would trade Curtis Granderson and Jesus Montero in order to get Alexei Ramirez (when Jeter would offer similar, if lesser, production but cost only money)- and, hey, you get a bad contract AND a lesser catching prospect, too! Like, in what universe does that make ANY modicum of sense?

      I’d almost rather sign Jeter to a six-year contract than go anywhere near that crap. It’s absurd.

      • I Voted for Kodos

        I’d love to spend a few minutes rummaging around Phil Rogers’ brain just to see what other sort of crazy shit is going on in there. It saddens me that someone who gets paid solely to understand sports has such a poor understanding of sports.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          It saddens me that someone who gets paid solely to understand sports has such a poor understanding of sports.

          Repeated for emphasis, and because I often had the same thought back when I deigned to read the Post or Daily News.

          • I Voted for Kodos

            I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when I read this garbage. I wish I could be that incompetent at my job and not get fired.

        • Kit

          I would also like to know what the hell he was smoking/injecting into his blood stream that he came up with that garbage. I’m still scratching my head at it.

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      that’s awesome–how about a sign and trade–Jeter signs with us for 4/$130 and then we trade him for Alexei straight up.

      go go ninja cashman!

  • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

    Here’s a good take on the Jeter situation from a Sox fan perspective.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/t.....n_and.html

    • Kit

      I honestly cannot take anyone who thinks the Jeter situation is a legitimate distraction from Cliff Lee’s offer seriously. It’s a distraction for us. Cashman has more than one person working for him. Other than that sentence, it is a generally good take on the situation. I take offense to the “chase Mariano” though. You fuck the hell right off, Boston.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        AUGHHHH MULTITASKING!!!!!!!

        • Kit

          SO HARD WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE LIKE THIRTY PEOPLE WORKING FOR YOU. AHHH!

  • Sean C

    So, how in the hell is ESPN trying to sell tonight’s MNF game? Battle of the basement dwellers?

    • I Voted for Kodos

      For a while, there were trying to bill it as a battle of teams looking to get themselves back in the NFC West race.

      I’m just glad I get to watch my team play for once. The Niners have sucked so bad for so long that I rarely get to watch them.

      • Sean C

        Ya know, the sad part is that a 3-7 team isn’t really “out” of the race in that division.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          That.

          I was forecasting the rest of the year today to prepare for my first mock draft… I had the Niners and Rams co-winning the NFC West at 7-9 each with the Seahawks a game back at 6-10.

          For the record, if SF wins tonight, the Rams, Seahawks, and Niners will all be either 5-6 or 4-7, and SF and STL have three of their final five games in the division; SEA has two of five (plus a layup game against the Panthers).

          This shit is still wide open.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      Jon Gruden’s last broadcast before joining The U?

      /wishful thinking
      /probably won’t happen

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Yeah, Gruden’s not going back to college.

        A better, more realistic target is probably either Bob Stoops or Brent Venables, both of whom would be good options.

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          *goes to wikipedia.com*
          *looks up who those people are *

          Why would Stoops leave Oklahoma?
          And the other dude isn’t a head coach, pass.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Stoops would be a harder get than Venables, agreed. But Stoops can be had. He’s had a wandering eye for a while and has flirted with other top-level college jobs. Eventually, he’ll bite on one; rebuilding Miami might be the perfect fit for him.

            Don’t sleep on Venables, though; he’s the top assistant coach in the carousel and is a great HC in the making.

            • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

              Yeah but Miami can’t afford to have someone else fail, they need to make a slam dunk with the next coach, so IMO, that would be someone with HC experience.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Agreed, but who is that going to be?

                What other quality HC is going to leave his program to come to Miami? Sure, Miami can hire guys like Mario Cristobal, but what is going to impress Florida talent more, what Cristobal did at FIU or what Venables has done at Oklahoma?

                I could maybe be talked into Kevin Sumlin from Houston, but Venables is still probably a better “get” for the recruiting wars and name recognition. Getting an assistant coach from a top-notch BCS-AQ program is probably a smarter move than getting a head coach from some lesser school.

  • Avi

    Where’s Chuck?

  • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

    I’m on a Will Clark kick tonight. Since 1950 only 4 players have had a higher OPS+ through their age 25 season than Clark, with a minimum 1500 AB’s.

    Thomas
    Mantle
    Pujols
    Allen

    • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

      I did this same exercise with Larry Walker this afternoon.

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        B-ref play index is greatest thing ever. While researching that I came across this: From 23-25 (min 1500 ab’s) Mantle had a 203 OPS+. Next highest was 177. Difference between Mantle and #2 is the same difference between #2 and #15 (Rusty Staub). Mantle was such a beast.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          B-ref play index is greatest thing ever

          Yes. Yes it is

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          “On two legs, Mickey Mantle would have been the greatest ballplayer who ever lived.”

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            Nellie Fox

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        Heh. Larry Walker won the the triple crown, had 37 HR and 115 RBI and finished 10th in the MVP voting. The ironic part is that he should have been closer to 20th than 10th due to park and playing time (bWAR 17th in the league.)

  • Avi

    I’m all for signing Lee. But I was thinking, who was the last pitcher to have this level of sustained success pitching at 88-92 MPH (fastball), WITH the control that Lee has (no nibblers like Glavine)?
    The only guy that I could think of is Maddux.
    I mean it isn’t common for a guy who doesn’t throw that hard to have this kind of success, right?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Lee’s not “88-92″, he’s more like “90-93″.

      http://www.fangraphs.com/fgrap.....100930.png

      • Avi

        Ok, so rephrase the question with 90-93 MPH. Still low for his level of success.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I’d say that 90-93 isn’t “low” at all. It’s much higher than people think. The number of pitchers who throw consistently harder than 90-93 isn’t big, and most of those harder throwers throw straight, hittable fastballs with little to no deception.

          90-93 is plenty fast.

          • Avi

            Yeah, no question movement and deception are critically important. Otherwise Lee would never be able to have the success he does. However if you look at the guys who have had his kind of success for three or more consecutive years, they all throw harder. Felix, Verlander, CC, Wainwright, Lester..
            It seems to me that being as effective as Lee with Lee’s velocity is uncommon.

            • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

              Avg FB in 2010:

              Carpenter 91.4
              Lincecum 91.3
              Lee 91.3
              Hudson 91.2
              Wainwright 91.1
              Romero 90.8
              Haren 90.6

              His velocity is plenty fine.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                That.

              • Avi

                I’m surprised Lincecum, Wainwright and Carpenter are that low.
                91.3 seems high for Lee. Does that include his cutter?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  2010 Fastball Velocity, courtesy of Fangraphs:

                  1 Ubaldo Jimenez 96.1
                  2 Justin Verlander 95.4
                  3 Josh Johnson 94.9
                  4 David Price 94.6
                  5 Edwin Jackson 94.4
                  6 Clay Buchholz 94.1
                  7 Felix Hernandez 94.1
                  8 Mat Latos 93.7
                  9 Francisco Liriano 93.7
                  10 Zack Greinke 93.5
                  11 CC Sabathia 93.5
                  12 Matt Garza 93.3
                  13 Jon Lester 93.3
                  14 A.J. Burnett 93.2
                  15 Johnny Cueto 93.2
                  16 Max Scherzer 93.2
                  17 Jason Hammel 93.1
                  18 Tommy Hanson 92.7
                  19 Roy Oswalt 92.6
                  20 Yovani Gallardo 92.6
                  21 Fausto Carmona 92.6
                  22 Phil Hughes 92.6
                  23 Kyle Davies 92.6
                  24 Roy Halladay 92.6
                  25 Jeremy Guthrie 92.5
                  26 Clayton Kershaw 92.5
                  27 Ervin Santana 92.5
                  28 Gavin Floyd 92.4
                  29 Wade Davis 92.3
                  30 Hiroki Kuroda 92.3
                  31 Cole Hamels 92.0
                  32 Mike Pelfrey 92.0
                  33 Gio Gonzalez 91.8
                  34 John Danks 91.7
                  35 Matt Cain 91.6
                  36 Chad Billingsley 91.5
                  37 James Shields 91.5
                  38 John Lackey 91.5
                  39 Jeff Niemann 91.4
                  40 Chris Carpenter 91.4
                  41 Scott Baker 91.4
                  42 Tim Lincecum 91.3
                  43 Cliff Lee 91.3
                  44 Justin Masterson 91.3
                  45 Clayton Richard 91.3
                  46 Anibal Sanchez 91.3
                  47 Tim Hudson 91.2
                  48 Adam Wainwright 91.1
                  49 Ryan Dempster 91.0
                  50 Chris Volstad 90.9
                  51 Ricky Romero 90.8
                  52 Jake Westbrook 90.6
                  53 Dan Haren 90.6
                  54 Jonathan Sanchez 90.6
                  55 Rick Porcello 90.6
                  56 Joe Saunders 90.5
                  57 C.J. Wilson 90.5
                  58 Trevor Cahill 90.4
                  59 Jaime Garcia 90.3
                  60 Carl Pavano 90.1
                  61 Brett Cecil 90.1
                  62 Jon Garland 90.1
                  63 Colby Lewis 90.1
                  64 Brad Bergesen 90.0
                  65 Jered Weaver 89.9
                  66 Brian Matusz 89.9
                  67 Kyle Kendrick 89.8
                  68 Jeremy Bonderman 89.8
                  69 Jonathon Niese 89.7
                  70 Randy Wells 89.6

                  http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....38;month=0

                  • Avi

                    Thanks TSJC.
                    Lee’s cutter is usually around 88 MPH. I doubt the 91.3 average includes them.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      His cutter was 86.3 MPH in 2010, and that was the 17th fastest cutter among qualified pitchers. The fastest was 91.4 MPH (Halladay).

                      The lesson in all of this: Cliff Lee throws hard. The notion that he’s some sort of soft-tosser is incorrect. People shouldn’t harp on his velocity.

        • pat

          90-93 is solidly average if not a tick above for a LHP.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      When your control is as off the charts good as it is with Lee, velocity is less of an issue. He figures to age well. Andy Pettitte barely breaks 89 MPH with his fastball, is still effective at 38, and could only dream of having Lee’s control.

      You know who was a lefty that had BB/9 rates like Lee? David Wells, and he pitched into his mid 40s.

  • Avi

    According to this report the Yanks are close to resigning MO.
    Happy B-day!
    http://www.torontosun.com/spor.....66081.html

    • Avi

      Looks like only one year @ $17M but we’ll see..

      • Teh Comp Pick

        Itchy trigger finger? I doubt when it happens the Toronto Sun will be the first to know.

        • Avi

          Nah, I bet there’s something to this report. The Yanks have a habit of signing free agents (or resigning them) then taking a LONG time to announce to let everyone know.

  • Reggie C.

    Cortland Finnegan is a thug who’s going to get destroyed next time he squares off against the U king, ANDRE JOHNSON.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      Finnegan learned you don’t mess with a CANE*.

      *CANE in this instance means anyone who played for the Miami Hurricanes football team from roughly 1980-2006.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Wait, wait, wait… Brian Westbrook is still alive?

  • ZZ

    I have to say I am pretty surprised scanning the interwebs and seeing the amount of negative reaction to the Uribe receiving 3 years.

    Scutaro got 2 years when he was 34. Uribe won’t even be 34 until the final year of the contract. It seems like a very fair deal to me based on his production, age, and comparable market.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      Especially considering the deal Benoit got.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Yeah, he’s a nice player. Good power, doesn’t walk as much as you’d like but is a solid addition for a team that needs some pop and a SS. In a weak class at the position, he’s one of your better options.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Scutaro also

      A.) Only got 2 years
      B.) Signed for a lower AAV
      C.) Was also a contract that many people doubted the wisdom of, since Scutaro basically came out of nowhere at age 33 to have his first wOBA north of .340 and it was widely predicted that he’d fall back down to earth in Boston, which he did

      Saying that the Uribe deal is getting a bum rap because it’s not much worse than the Scutaro deal is classic “damning with faint praise”. The Scutaro deal was not exactly the paragon of savvy contract-offering.

      • ZZ

        Uribe, to me at least, is the better player and younger than Scutaro (meaning probably better production going forward) hence the higher AAV.

        And back to the younger part, he is 3 years younger so one more year than Scutaro sounds right to me. The 3 years seems from what I saw the big complaint from most people. But, I don’t see what is wrong with 3 years since he is just 32 next season.

        When talking about free agents there were almost always be a premium. That is just the nature of free agency. So market value and forces become primary when you want a player. Scutaro was just one example. Peralta could be another example.

        Based on the market for a Juan Uribe type player, his deal sounds about right to me.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I agree with all your points, I was just pointing out that many of the people who are criticizing the Uribe deal probably criticized the Scutaro deal as well, and for similar reasons (that the players just aren’t good enough to warrant multi-year deals). That’s all.

          • ZZ

            Gotcha.

    • bonestock94

      I guess people freak out because he was well under avg for all but the ’09 and ’10 seasons. If he continues doing that it’ll be a good signing, if he reverts than it’ll be another stupid notch on Colletti’s belt.

  • mbonzo

    Tulo is closing in on a 10 year extension? Is he nuts, he could make so much money!

    • Mattchu12

      The only way it makes sense is if Tulo is taking a big pay cut, and i hope that’s the case, it’ll mean that arguably the best shortstop in baseball would be making like 12-16? No way Jeter can argue he deserves to be in the 20’s after something like that.

      • mbonzo

        That also makes the Rockies less likely to trade Tulo away.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          What was Plan C again for Yankee SS?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            THE CULVERIZER

          • mbonzo

            Looking more and more like Drew. Though, the Rockies might not be able to afford a big contract for 10 years if they start losing.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          And Tulo may have a real desire to stay in Colorado his whole career. His numbers there are outstanding, and he can easily be the greatest player in Rockies history. Things like that mean a lot. He can be the new John Elway.

          • Mattchu12

            This. Not every player is a money-grubbing whore and will head where the top dollar is and it looks like Tulo is one of those guys. Good for him.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              Hold on, now, I didn’t say that.

              I’m assuming that the 10-year deal still has dumptrucks full of money for Tulo in it. Colorado isn’t a penniless franchise, they can give Tulo a Maueresque contract. I’d be surprised if that 10-year deal isn’t damn near market value.

              Tulo wants to stay in Colorado, as long as they pay him nearly what others would pay him if he left.

              • mbonzo

                Yup he’s getting 20m for his last 6 years. How ungreedy of him.

                • JobaWockeeZ

                  Almost Youk levels of ungreed.

                  /McCarver’d

              • Mattchu12

                I know he’s going to be paid handsomely, and I didn’t mean for my comment to sound like I didn’t think a player should try and get top dollar, but I have a lot of respect for guys who will sacrifice a couple million if it means staying with their original team.

          • mbonzo

            Yea, he might realize that his numbers are pretty normal away from Colorado.

            • Sean C

              Yep. 2010 stats: .291/.358/.504 Away vs .339 .403 .631 Home

              He’s still damn good away from the park though.

        • Mattchu12

          Because they were ever likely to?

          • mbonzo

            Cook, Street, Betancourt, and Tulowitzki will all be approaching the $10m mark with huge buyouts in the upcoming years. The only money they should be shedding is from Helton who will got from $19m in 2011 to $5m in 2012 and 2013. If the Rockies can’t compete, I don’t see them maintaining such a big payroll.

            • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

              Cook: $10.083m, $500k buyout
              Street: 7.3m, 7.5m, $500k buyout
              Betancourt: 3.775, FA

              Francis 6m is off the books now, and Corpas’ 3.55m will be gone after 2011.

              Not to mention they’ve raised payroll basically 10m every year since 2006.

  • Avi

    According to Klaw the Rockies are about to sign Tulo to a TEN year extension. Dam it!
    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb.....01129#7843

    • bonestock94

      It would be a dream to see a guy like that in pinstripes, but still, I like it when guys like Mauer do big extensions.

  • bonestock94

    Over/Under 10/200??

    • Kevin in Delectable Princeton

      I say slightly under, but still higher than Jeter’s. It’s too bad we’ll probably never see Tulo in pinstripes. :(

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        http://theghostofmoonlightgrah.....witzki.jpg (safe)

        (looks at all those purple pinstripes)

        • Kevin in Delectable Princeton

          I seriously didn’t even realize the Rockies wore pinstripes until now. I miss baseball…

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Looking at his road stats it’s fine by me.

    • Avi

      Under.
      He’s under contract for four more year @ an average of $10M per year.

      • bonestock94

        Oh, well if they don’t override that then yea.

      • Avi

        So if they gave him 10 years and 200 mil it would be the equivalent of them giving him a six year extension for $27M per year starting in 2015.
        Would be pretty stupid for the Rockies to do that.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Cost/roster certainty can be a very valuable thing, especially to a team that doesn’t have the Yankees financial largesse.

    • Reggie C.

      Under.

      10 years/150-160 million.

    • http://witter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      I say Tulo is going to get 10/160.

      • mbonzo

        Thats what it looks like he got. Nice guess.

        But WTF were the Rockies thinking? How can they afford this and why not wait a bit longer to see how that wrist holds up?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Because if the wrist holds up, the price goes up. Strike now while the iron is hot (or cold, if you will).

        • http://witter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

          Tulo hit .323/.386/.643 (!!!) after the wrist injury. He’s gonna be fine going forward.

          • Sayid J.

            Unless he hurts it again.

    • ZZ

      I’m gonna go with 10/174.

      • ZZ

        Go big or go home.

  • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

    Ok ok ok. I broke down this lunatic’s trade proposal. Prepare your mind to be BLOWN!
    http://twitter.com/#!/meda4our

    Mets get: Chone Figgins, Bumgardner, Justin Upton, prospects from Seattle & prospects from San Fran.
    Tampa Bay gets: David Aardsma
    Seattle gets: K-Rod, Castillo, Ollie Perez + cash from NYM
    Yankees get: Carlos Beltran
    Giants get: Jose Reyes
    Arizone gets: Joba Chamberlain, Fernando Martinez & Niese

    Ouch. My brain. You will notice that Tampa Bay gets David Aardsma for….well, nothing.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      You will notice that Tampa Bay gets David Aardsma for….well, nothing.

      That’s fair, with Soriano leaving they need a closer.

      • bonestock94

        lol in real life

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Maybe they’re kicking in 1.5B in cash to Arizona to cover the downgrade from The Justin Upton to Joba, F-Mart, and Niese. Then the Diamondbacks can take that 1.5B, build a football stadium in Los Angeles, and collect rent from an NFL team to subsidize their baseball operation and afford to raise payroll to bid on Albert Pujols next winter.

      That would make some sense. I’m sure Aardsma is worth 1.5B.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      The dumbest thing of all of that was spelling “metaphor” as “meda4our”.

      Seriously, though, there’s nothing like proposing a 6 team trade where four of the teams get demonstrably, vehemently worse. Good show.

      • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

        Seattle takes on like $50M in payroll for no reason, amazing.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        His name is a meda4our for illiteracy.

    • Avi

      No team in baseball would take Carlos Beltran even if they didn’t have to give ANY players in return.

    • mbonzo

      Carlos Beltran is the Yankees 4th outfielder?

    • Avi

      Fan Fact: Fernando Martinez was had his right knee examined at The Hospital for Special Surgery in NY today. This is the same knee that cause him to be shut down in August.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      I’d be down on getting Aardsma in all seriousness. BB rates are pretty high but Wood did a fine job though.

      Definitely would be a solid 8th inning guy.

  • bonestock94

    The guy broke his wrist and still put up 6.4 WAR in ’10. Worth at least $22M for all but ’08 season according to fangraphs. Hard to see this as anything but great for the rox.

  • Reggie C.

    Casey Close: Okay Cash. We’re willing to move on years and dollars.
    Cashman: I see. Where do you and Derek now stand on the team offer?
    Close: 10/150. If its good enough for Tulo, i guess its good enough for Derek. (click.) The Tulo extension clearly demonstrates the Rockies’s valuation of a gold-glove caliber, career-long team leader. Wait…hello? Cash? … Cashman? … Brian?

  • mbonzo

    Wow so the Rockies are gonna spend more money. Close to a 3-year deal with De la rosa!

    • http://witter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Are the Rockies Yankees-West?

      • Avi

        What’s next Crawford, Lee and Werth?

        • mbonzo

          Jeter? :O

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Two things:

    A) Chris Carlin speaking French may be more disgusting than an actual French person.
    B) The Tulo megadeal and the Uribe deal broke the market for all SS other than Jeter.

  • Avi

    TSJC on Cliff Lee: “His cutter was 86.3 MPH in 2010, and that was the 17th fastest cutter among qualified pitchers. The fastest was 91.4 MPH (Halladay).

    The lesson in all of this: Cliff Lee throws hard. The notion that he’s some sort of soft-tosser is incorrect. People shouldn’t harp on his velocity.”

    It’s not so much whether he’s a soft-tosser or not. It’s more about how many pitchers performed at an elite level over multiple seasons at his velocity levels?
    The elites usually BRING IT.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Lincecum, Cain, Halladay, Carpenter, Hamels, Wainwright, etc… they’re all pretty much identical to Lee in terms of velocity. They’re all elite, they all brought in multiple years pitching four-seamers in the 90-93 range and cutters/two seamers in the 86-90 range.

      Seriously, movement/location/command/control >>>>>>>>>>> velocity. Major league hitters would much rather face Edwin Jackson’s 94 MPH fastball than Halladay’s 92 or Lee’s 91.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        And none of this even mentions breaking pitches or changeups. If your offspeed stuff is elite (Lee’s is), a 90mph fastball becomes nearly unhittable anyway because the hitters are so off balance from your curve/slider/slurve/change/circle change/etc.

      • Avi

        Lincecum wasn’t elite this past year. We was throwing harder than 91 MPH in ’08 and ’09 when he was. Hamels wasn’t elite last year. You just got finished telling me that Halladay’s cutter is 5 MPH harder than Lee’s. And in ’08 and maybe even ’09 Wainwright and Carpenter were throwing harder than they did this past year. No?

        • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

          Lincecum 2010:
          3.43 ERA
          6.42 IP/S
          9.8 K/9
          3.2 BB/9

          The numbers aren’t at 09 levels, but damnit, I’d take that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

  • bonestock94

    Moyer getting TJ, what a beast.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      He’s trying to break Angel Berroa’s record of being the oldes big leaguer ever at 83.

      /PeteAbe’d

  • ZZ

    I will be very disappointed in you Troy if you allowed your agent to settle on $20 million for the extension years.

    • mbonzo

      It might not even be that much.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Derek Anderson is not good at professional football.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Damn, just saw that we lost Gil McDougald. Sad year in Yankeeland, holy shit.

  • nsalem

    RIP Gil, great utility man, great hitter, the quintessential tough out.
    One of the most unique stances and strokes in the history of baseball.
    Fabulous 1956 season, probably was right up there in the MVP voting. Never the same after hitting Score with a line drive in early 1957.
    It was the beginning of the end for him also. He was a true “under the radar guy” who never really had a full time position. I think Casey Stengel was his only manager league manager. A glance a his stats especially where he played defensively and where he hit in the batting order will give you a true insight into the brilliance of Casey Stengel.
    Stengel was born with a binder implanted in his brain. I think he retired because he was left unprotected at the age of 31 or 32 (due to the emergence of Bobby Richardson, Tony Kubek and Clete Boyer) in the 1960 expansion draft and he did not want to go from first to worst. Another sad day in 2010 for the Yankees.