Open Thread: Boston adds an arm

For the Yanks, Carl Crawford just doesn’t make sense
Pettitte: 'It would be one more year and that would be it'
(AP Photo/Duane Burleson)

Via MLBTR, the Red Sox swapped lefty reliever Dustin Richardson for former sixth overall pick Andrew Miller this evening, reuniting Miller with his UNC running mate Dan Bard. The big lefty has been a bit of wreck as a pro (5.95 BB/9 career), not coincidentally after the Tigers rushed him to the big leagues a few weeks after being drafted in 2006 (he debuted against the Yanks). I wrote a post at MLBTR a few weeks ago saying that I expected Florida to either trade or non-tender Miller this winter, and sure enough they did. He was intriguing as a non-tender guy on a cheap contract, but through arbitration he’s going to pull down something like $2M. Eh. It’s also the second year in a row that Boston acquire a former Marlins’ top prospect; last year they grabbed Jeremy Hermida. That worked out rather crappily.

Well, anyway, here’s your thread for the night. Both the Devils and Knicks are in action, but talk about whatever your heart desires.

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For the Yanks, Carl Crawford just doesn’t make sense
Pettitte: 'It would be one more year and that would be it'
  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    MLBN turned into crazytown tonight. They suggested a straight-up Beltran-for-Broxton trade, and a “package deal” centering around Papelbon-for-Polanco.

    Oh, and they said that Lee would sign with the Rangers because obviously the Rangers’ ownership saying they could sign V-Mart meant that they are definitely going to sign V-Mart, and V-Mart was Lee’s catcher in Cleveland. And the Rangers are definitely going to be better than the Yankees in five years. Because the Yankees are so old!

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      also my obligatory, non-PC, NSFW-ish response to MLBN:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svwGRJA28lY

    • Kit

      I didn’t see that but my brother called me to rant something epic about MLBN. He didn’t even specify what it was he was angry at, but I’m guessing everything.

    • ZZ

      V-Mart meant that they are definitely going to sign V-Mart, and V-Mart was Lee’s catcher in Cleveland.

      That’s really funny considering…

      In 2008 when Lee won the Cy Young, Martinez only caught 4 of his 31 starts. To add insult to injury, in those 4 starts Lee had a 5.84 ERA.

      In 2009, Martinez caught…wait for it….1 inning of Cliff Lee’s 231.2 that year.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    Oh Peter Gammons, you’re silly

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I still believe Andrew Miller can be a dominant reliever. Always been my call that he’d get it @ 27.

  • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

    Still only 25… wow. Even though he’s had… shitty numbers, I’d still say Miller has some upside left in him.

  • Rob

    I’d much rather be reading about Miller to the Yanks than De La Rosa to the Yanks….

    Miller’s got upside. And exactly the guy for Young to start working with tomorrow. Meanwhile the Yankees haven’t hired a pitching coach.

    Money does many things but when management isn’t bright then you watch how it’s spent. Kei Igawa says hello.

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      This is so much fail that it doesn’t merit an intelligent response.

      • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi
        • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

          Is this what’s it’s like to be bored at work? You post stupid shit on a topic you have little to no knowledge about?

          • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

            Note: This would have been my response to the comment, not Mondesi’s post here.

            • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Yeah you better clarify that remark. You were about to get Mondesi’d.

              (This is what it’s like when I get bored at work. Idiocy settles in.)

    • bonestock94

      Does Andrew Miller warrant this response? Really? If the Yanks wanna trade for a bust, not having a pitching coach won’t prevent them.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I’d much rather be reading about Penny and Smoltz to the Yanks than AJ and CC to the Yanks….*

      Swisher’s got upside. And exactly the guy for Long to start working with tomorrow. Meanwhile the Red Sox lost their pitching coach who, as we all know, worked with the FIVE ACES these past few seasons.

      Money does many things but when management isn’t bright then you watch how it’s spent. John Lackey says hello.

      * (this is a particularly terrible metaphor because it’s not like de la Rosa is guaranteed to come to the Yankees or anything. Why don’t you wait til they do that deal to cry about it?)

      • Anthony Murillo

        I was going to say, what did I miss with Jorge De Le Rosa coming to the Yankees? I got kind of scared.

  • bonestock94

    I almost want the Yankees to severely overpay for Lee just to shit on the Rangers’ hopes and dreams. 6/180, make it happen.

    • Poopy Pants

      Don’t you worry. They will overpay.

  • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

    Maybe they can spin him at the deadline for a Smoak-like bat

  • Rey22

    Pack it in guys, we’re done for the next 15 years. I heard an unnamed source say Miller will be an elite reliever who will give them 7 no-hit relief innings every day after their five aces give them 2 no-hit innings every day. And that’s without counting Casey Kelly. Actually, we’re done forever.

    • MattG

      Well, Kelly could just go back to being a 10 WAR shortstop…but they have Iglesias too…oh noes, dark days ahead…

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    My God, Tampa is likely losing it’s entire bullpen, their left fielder, and first baseman.

    • Sean C

      (evil, super-villainish laugh). I can’t help but enjoy the fact that they are losing some players this offseason. Sure, it sucks for them as an organization and fan-base, but them’s the breaks.

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        Fan base?

        • Sean C

          True. I guess it’s hard to get upset over losing a player when only ~9000 people will notice.

  • MattG

    Who’s the surprise pitcher?

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      A surprise, duh.

    • Sean C

      I think this has been covered. It’s obviously a ninja deal to pry Phil Coke back from the Tigers (didn’t they plan on giving him a shot as a starter?)…

    • bonestock94

      Today it was Brooks Brown, he got shelled.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Joe said on Twitter that he was gonna write a troll post about trading for Ollie Perez.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      Casey Kelley, Obv

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      I still say it’s Ricky Nolasco.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        I think the prerequisites were:

        1) A good NL pitcher right now
        2) Formerly of the AL

        • The Fallen Phoenix

          Ian Kennedy? Jason Hammel? Chris Carpenter?

          I suppose it’s POSSIBLE Carpenter would be available. I’m not sure the Rockies would make Hammel available, and I don’t think the Yankees would (necessarily) be interested in reacquiring IPK.

          I mean, who else qualifies who might be available? Would Annibal Sanchez count? At that point, might as well get Nolasco, who I think is better.

  • Reggie C.

    So if we miss out on Lee , how about a hard run for Matt Cain?

    How about a quality prospect-laden package of : Montero, Banuelos, Nova, and David Adams.

    • Hughesus Christo

      And SF would do that because…

      • Reggie C.

        B/c each one of the four prospects received has a shot at success at the ML level. That kind of return is an insane revamp of SF’s thin farm. All those guys can be in the majors in a couple seasons.

        • ZZ

          Coming off a WS victory is not the time to revamp the farm system by trading away your 2nd best pitcher.

          • Reggie C.

            It would allow SF to keep this window for sustained divisional success by infusing projectable starters at several positions. SF pleased its “rabid” fan base with this one WS win. This WS win would let Sabean fix his team for the foreseeable future.

            • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

              Wait, what?

              I really did not make any logical sense of that. You’re saying SF will do better if they trade away their established number two pitcher and replace him with an unproven kid or two? If anything, that’s taking a step backwards.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Yep.

                I know SF probably needs to improve their offense to become a perennial contender (yeah, it ended up being pretty good this year but they’re losing a lot of guys, and I think a lot of good came together in the playoffs in a way that was pretty lucky), but Montero, as much as I love him and as much as I hope he absolutely destroys it up here in the majors, has done nothing there. He’s not a guarantee of any sort. Neither is Banuelos or Nova.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I really don’t think the Giants are trading Cain, and even if they planned on it, IMO the Yankees are not a good trade match with them unless a third team gets involved. I mean, the big chip the Yankees have is Montero, and the Giants are pretty set at catcher, have their own good 1B prospect coming up, and have no DH position available.

      • Reggie C.

        SF is set at 1B? Montero’s significantly better than Sandoval, who can actually eat his way out of the starting roster.

        • ZZ

          Brandon Belt.

          • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

            “Brandon Belts one out to deep center.”

            Expect ESPN to think that will never get old.

            • ZZ

              I’m already sick of it just from watching the AFL ASG.

        • FIPster Doofus

          Brandon Belt.

          • FIPster Doofus

            ZZ beat me.

            • ZZ

              A little weird we responded to him the exact same way. Just the kids name and nothing more. Even the period at the end.

              Are you Carlosologist’s cousin?

              • FIPster Doofus

                Heh, that was kind of weird, and I am not Carlos’ cousin.

            • Reggie C.

              SF would jettison Belt down the depth chart for a shot at Montero. Those two guys are at two different levels of prospect-dom.

              • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

                Belt is a monster too. He’s number three on my personal prospect list. (1 and 2 are both incredibly obvious)

                • FIPster Doofus

                  Casey Kelly and Casey Kelly?

                  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

                    Nah, it’s all Mike Trout. He’s the next Mickey Mantle, that’s what all the Angels people told me.

              • ZZ

                Even if they were motivated to move Cain, which I see no reason why they would be, it would not be a great use of organizational resources to target the package centered around Montero (who mind you has never played 1B).

        • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

          They’re likely to resign Huff and if they don’t, they can put Sandoval at 1B to start the season and give Brandon Belt (dude hit .352/.455/.620 with 23 bombs across three levels, including AAA. Kid’s a monster, he’s only 22) the call in May.

          • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

            And beaten.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      And NY would do that because…

  • Porkchop

    It’s a beleif ways tot go but the Miller is a great deal fo the Snox. Go Booston

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      wait… what?

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        Friday night, he’s probably drunk.

        • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

          my favorite part of this is “Snox”

  • First Time Poster

    Opinions on Carpenter being the mystery pitcher?

    • steve (different one)

      that’s my guess

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Possibilities:
      Derek Lowe, Tim Hudson, Jair Jurrjens, Joe Blanton, Ryan Dempster*, Edinson Volquez, Chris Carpenter, Kyle Lohse, Jason Hammel, Clayton Richard, Barry Zito.

      *While Dempster never pitched in the AL, he was drafted by an AL team, so I included him anyways.

      Derek Lowe, Barry Zito, and Chris Carpenter are huge contracts, as well Dempster, so a salary dump would be ideal if it meant giving up fringe prospects and some money.

      Tim Hudson and Kyle Lohse have $9 million remaining so they could be dumped if the Braves or Cards need room as well.

      I doubt the Reds and Padres give away Volquez and Richards, respectively.

      Hammel isn’t good.

      Blanton is cheap so I don’t see the Phillies giving him away.

      IT’S JAIR JURRJENS DING DING DING DING DING!

      • FIPster Doofus

        “Blanton is cheap so I don’t see the Phillies giving him away.”

        Blanton’s remaining contract is two years, $21 million. I want no part of him on the Yankees.

        • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

          3 years/$24M (2010-12)
          signed extension with Philadelphia 1/21/10 (avoided arbitration, $10.25M-$7.5M)
          $6M signing bonus
          10:$1M, 11:$8.5M, 12:$8.5M

          Oh lol, Yahoo told me otherwise. I should use Cots more often. At least agree with me that it is Jurrjens!

          • FIPster Doofus

            You might be right. I’d take Jurjjens over some of the guys you listed, but he gives up a lot of fly balls and doesn’t strike out that many batters. I can’t say I’d feel too confident in him succeeding as a Yankee.

  • http://bloodfarm.tumblr.com matt damon wayans

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....ects/2011/

    casey kelly is currently the top prospect in both the red sox and yankees organization. he is just THAT GOOD.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Which Casey Kelly do the Yankees get? The pitcher or the shortstop?

    • Reggie C.

      Hilarious. Can’t believe baseballamerica.com hasn’t fixed that yet.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    So… that Miguel Cabrera trade was really horrible from Florida’s perspective, huh? Even if they get rid of the D-Train, they got a bunch of highly-regarded prospects that turned out to pretty much all be nothing. Yeah, Maybin and Miller can still turn it around (and Miller’s not in the organization now), but………..

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Big ass win for Detroit in that deal.

      • Mattchu12

        As usual, it’s like a dental-floss thin, high-wire act while wearing a blind-fold to trade or trade for prospects.

        On one hand, you have guys with so much potential and such high ceilings, how could you trade them?

        On the other, you have guys with so much potential to never reach those high ceilings, how could you count on them?

        I feel bad for all the General Managers. It’s a freaking nightmare.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Kuroda’s headed back to the Dodgers on a one-year, $8 million contract according to MLBTR. If true, that’s a hell of a deal for L.A., and it of course takes a quality starter from an already weak market after Lee. Kuroda might have been an option for the Yankees if Pettitte retired.

    • candyforstalin

      he probably just wants to stay another year and doesn’t want to move.

  • Matt Montero

    The mystery shall be….
    Carl Pavano!!!!

    JK it is…

    Anibal Sanchez (or Fausto Carmona?)

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Anibal is cheap enough for the Marlins to keep, Carmona never pitched in the AL.

      COUGHJAIRJURRJENSOUGHTHEBRAVESHAVEALOTOFMAJORLEAGUEREADYPITCHINGCOUGH

      • Matt Montero

        haha wtf… Carmona is on the Indians!…

        I would love Jurrjens but i thought i saw somewhere that he’s staying

  • FIPster Doofus

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....um=twitter

    Andy Pettitte told Matt Musil of KHOU.com that at the moment, he’s leaning towards retirement. “Right now, I can tell you my heart’s right here in Deer Park,” Pettitte said. “If something happens and I play one more year that would be it. It would be one more year and that would be it.”

    Shit.

    • candyforstalin

      yeah. not a good night.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      /completely in denial about this

      (I do think that the “Pettitte leaning toward retirement” thing is just… an assumption? He said his heart is in Deer Park because, well, he’s currently in Deer Park. It’s just a leap, right? RIGHT?!?!!? /cries forever)

      • FIPster Doofus

        The notion of Pettitte’s heart being in Deer Park doesn’t do good things in my heart.

        /Kristen Lee’d

      • Ed

        Don’t worry about it. It’s the EXACT same thing he’s said every year since he started the one year contracts.

        The season ends, he starts relaxing at home, enjoys being with the family, then thinks about how nice it would be to retire.

        After he’s been home for a while, he gets bored, starts missing the game, hears his older kids talk about how awesome it is that their dad plays for the Yankees, looks at how the roster for next year is shaping up, and finally says “I want to add one more World Series ring to my collection.”

        • Sayid J.

          Except, IIRC, I don’t really think he has ever said he’s leaning towards retirement.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Didn’t say it here either, just “my heart is in Deer Park” or whatever

          • Ed

            Around this time of year he’s always said something like “If I had to decide today, I’d retire. But I’m not ready to decide yet.”

            I think his recent comments on retirement actually sound less serious than his comments from previous years.

    • Kit

      Well that depressed me. I’m going to go buy a shitload of alcohol and make my bed comfortable ’cause if he does retire, I’ll be doing a lot of crying in it.

  • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

    Can someone explain this “mystery pitcher” thing?

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Joe is going to post an article about a pitcher the Yankees might want to look into if Lee does not sign with the Yankees.

      Nobody has any idea who it is (I think I do though, I’m that confident), and the only clue that we have from Mike is that the pitcher currently pitches in the NL, and has AL experience. He also is good, but that is all we know.

      My guess is Jair Jurrjens, I could be completely and utterly wrong, like everyone else here has been so far after Mike has shot all the guesses down, but JJ fits everything clue given so far. He pitched for the Tigers in his first year, he now pitches in the NL, and he’s pretty damn good. The Braves also have a pitching surplus.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        Some popular guesses have been Hudson and Carpenter, but apparently neither is correct.

      • Brooklyn Ed

        would that post still exist if Lee did signed with the Yanks?

        • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

          Well, the post is based on ‘What if the Yankees don’t sign Lee” so it’ll come out before Lee does or doesn’t sign.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      During a chat maybe last week, Mike said Joe was working on a post about a possible trade the Yankees could do for a “mystery NL pitcher.” Supposedly it was really good. Joe said on Twitter today that he was just going to write a trolling post about trading for Ollie Perez, though.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        Maybe that mystery pitcher is Houston Astros era Pettitte lol

    • candyforstalin
    • http://www.blogs.thetenthinningstretch.com the tenth inning stretch

      I would’ve thought Hudson or Carpenter, too. Harang fits the criteria but no, thank you. Derek Lowe?

    • Brett

      Im going to say Chris Young, unless its by trade only

  • Sick Nwisher

    Boston adds an arm

    Does this mean that the Red Sox now have (gulp) 6 aces?

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      12, if you count Casey Kelly

  • Anthony Murillo

    The Phillies are “making [a] big push to keep Werth,” tweets Sports Illustrated’s Jon Heyman.

    • bonestock94

      That would kinda screw the sawks since the Angels are said to be real serious about Crawford, no? Another season of Boston outfield lawls would be welcome.

    • candyforstalin

      something like 5x15m should tempt him.

  • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

    Knicks gave up 31 rebounds to Kevin Love? I know love is a great rebounder, but that’s disgraceful.

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      They gave up 15 in the third quarter. Holy schnikes, that’s horrible.

  • China Joe

    I believe we might have to contact NASA to calculate how many aces the Red Sox have at this point.