Open Thread: Maybin on the move
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Apparently it’s “let’s forget all about that Miguel Cabrera trade” weekend in Florida. After dealing Andrew Miller yesterday, the Marlins traded the other key piece in Miggy haul today, sending Cameron Maybin to the Padres for a pair of relievers. Righty Burke Badenhop (3.67 FIP in 67.2 IP this year) is the lone survivor of the Cabrera trade, the other five players are all elsewhere now. How about that.
My quick take: I like the move for both sides, more for San Diego though. They have bullpen pieces to spare, and Maybin’s still only 23 if you can believe it. Lots of talent, and it’s worth a shot to see if he can figure it out on your team. Florida needed bullpen help, and the two guys they got are promising. Ryan Webb has a great arm, but his stuff is so lively that he has trouble controlling it. Mujica got lost in the Padres bullpen given some of he other guys they had in there, but struck out 72 and walked six (!!!) in 69.2 innings this year. The deal makes sense for both sides, I’d just rather be getting Maybin.
Anyway, here’s the nightly open thread. Both the Nets and Isles are playing, and of course there’s a zillion college football games on. Talk about whatever, enjoy.
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Man…talk about right process wrong results.
I hope “right process” doesn’t refer to how the Marlins handled Maybin. Unless the right process to you means showing no patience by giving a kid a month or two at a time maximum, with the prospect of being benched constantly hovering over him, despite that the entire mantra of your organization is to be young and cheap (which he is.)
I meant dealing a bad contract and a shitty player plus one elite player about to hit free agency for the team’s two best prospects.
Ohhh. Gotcha. As a big Maybin fan, I wanted to throw in my two cents anyway on Cammay.
Meh, Dontrelle wasn’t shitty. He was coming off a shitty year after a few very good years, and was still very young. It was the Tigers that signed him to that contract, not the Marlins.
I don’t think the trade was THAT awful from Florida’s perspective, certainly not in terms of what they got out of it… but Dontrelle didn’t suck.
In his career as a Marlin he posted a K/9 over seven once, and it’s pretty clear that 2005 season was an outlier. He had xFIPs of 4.48 and 4.74 prior to leaving the NL East, and that’s when the division was kinda “meh.” Doing that coming to the AL I think it’s fair to say that sucked, and at the very least to say that he would suck in Detroit.
I think the best way to put it was that he was a “mirage.”
07 Joba says what?
lol
Is Rasmus a decent comp for Maybin?
Nah, two different guys. Rasmus is a lefty power-on base guy. Maybin’s more speed with some power.
Quick Fun Fact : Slappy White’s son played AAU baseball with Cameron Maybin when they were 12-14
Not So Fun Fact: Slappy White is getting OLD
His eyes are freaking me out in that photo
Baseball is serious business.
Yeah, but his teeth look fabulous. Kudos to his dentist.
I still believe Maybin will be a star CF one day…at fenway
/gammons’d
Had no clue Mujica had that ridiculous walk rate, Gregerson got all the love the summer.
I really liked Maybin for whatever reason.
To make Andy jealous?
Nice.
Better move for the fish. Pads are getting a guy who can run, but has only shown a propensity for striking out way too often for his offensive game to take off. Marlins get two power arms in return. Gotta love power arms over a1 dimensional player.
Reasons why Pettitte will be back:
1) God does not exist.
2) My wife would want me to play and bring in that $15million check!
3) He has already proven to us that he is a man.
I dont know if Cam Newton is guilty or not. In fact I didnt even care , but after listening to these announcers defend him like he’s being so mistreated im starting to hate the guy
Well Urban Meyer basically leaked information that can only hurt him, that is kind of bullshit. It’s not like he never paid any of his recruits. Meyer’s the most disingenuous prick in all of sports. I hate him.
I gotta put Calipari right up there too. And while I agree that its bullshit to leak the info, it doesnt make it not true
Well…it doesn’t matter if it’s true or not IMO. The fact that he paid his players or let them cheat and he knows it. I just think his past behavior makes it that much more bullshit. I mean how else do people think he got 23, a completely unheard of amount by the way, ESPNU150 prospects? It’s not like he let all of them fuck his daughter.
It’d be like David Ortiz calling out someone for juicing.
IT DOESNT MATTER IF ITS TRUE OR NOT ????
yeah , it does.
Not for me, I mean…every big college player gets paid. I knew a manager for a big-conference college basketball program. He frequently said that most of the athletes get extra “help” in classes and there were kids from fairly shitty backgrounds that were driving around in brand new Escalades. College sports are “dirty” and I don’t give two shits.
Besides it’s more Meyer, the dirtiest coach in college football, outing him that pisses me off. Like say David Ortiz called out a guy for juicing, it wouldn’t matter to me so much if it were true or not it’s the fact that he’s being accused by the biggest fucking fraud in the game that’d piss me off.
Wasnt it some guy from Miss State that leaked the shit to begin with. I get it YOU HATE Urban Meyer, I dont like him either, n fact I hope the Gamecocks beat his ass tonight
Meyer came out and denied it…Missippi State didn’t leak the cheating at Florida, that was Meyer (the lady doth protest too much), Mississippi probably leaked the stuff about his dad wanting him to get paid. At any rate it’s a non issue to me, it’s not out of line of what happens with many many many other big time college athletes. Nor do I care, the NCAA should be prosecuted on RICO charges.
It’s not like he let all of them fuck his daughter.
My brother went to school with her, and based on things he’s seen/heard, I would not rule this out. Not to mention she is smoking hot.
I’m sure most recruits would, but it’s not like he let ALL top 23 recruits do it, and she is totally bangin.
“Ryan Webb has a great arm, but his stuff is so lively that he has trouble controlling it.”
Wait, Webb had a 2.9 BB/9 last year. Seriously though, his stuff is straight up dirty. He strikes out enough guys and keeps the ball on the ground to an extreme, too.
Six walks in 69.2 innings? Rivera and Lee would be proud.
Toolsy CF > 2 middle relievers
He’s basically a slightly less shitty version of Austin Jackson, strikes out way too much. Him in PetCo should be fun.
He hit for average over the course of like ~1500 PA’s in the minors too. He’s really young, this is good for the Pads.
Did anyone else catch that MLBN segment last night on fake trades? They suggested Travis Snider+ (in this case plus means Kyle Drabek) for Zack Greinke. With Tampa losing their entire bullpen, Carl Crawford, Carlos Pena, and likely Garza and/or Shields I think Toronto can pull into the third AL East team that competes for a title.
I liked the Beltran/Broxton and Polanco/Papelbon trades better because they were just so dumb.
The Red Sox want to get rid of Papelbon, there’s likely a Papelbon/Napoli trade that will happen if they lose V-Mart. Broxton/Beltran on the surface looks fucking retarded, but a closer with elite K-rates for a CF who is injury prone lately and makes a lot of money…it looks less dumb. The dumbest part of that deal is that LA likely won’t add payroll they’ll look to trade pieces like Kemp, Billingsley, and Martin. Billingsley for Rasmus would be an interesting deal.
I doubt Coletti would do Beltran for Broxton. But then again, he did sign Andruw Jones for a skazillion dollars.
What about the offense?
Pray to god that whatever was on the third base bag the last few years stays there.
God does not exist.
Maybin has a .306/.393/.478 career minor league line, was a top 10 prospect in 2007, 2008, and 2009, and has only one full season’s worth of at bats in the majors. I think this is a great move for San Diego.
Not to mention, he’s (at least) a good defensive CF and projects as a 30 SB kinda guy.
I honestly think Florida gave up on him too quick. I mean damn, they played Emilio Bonifacio over him.
I think the Marlins could be so much than they are with all the talent they have. They’ve always struck me as shitty organization with all the people they don’t go to arbitration with, lopsided trades, and money hoarding.
so much more*
Definitely agree. As I said above, I’m a huge Maybin fan. I think he has star potential for sure, and I think in a year or two, a 1-2-3 of Maybin-Hanley-Stanton would’ve been one of the best.
my parents were hardcore about Halloween costumes
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(I am no longer this cute)
awww ,you were very cute .
I work for an absolutely retarded newspaper that for some reason thinks I can fill TWELVE pages with local and state news. Meanwhile sports, with all the big college football games today, has 6 pages.
/whitewhine’d
Many people are such sports fans because they keep detailed stats on players. Maybe you could be a pioneer, and start keeping detailed stats on criminals. Pretty soon, a new generation of sabermatricians will be discussing a convict’s VORC (Value over replacement criminal) and arguing over who kills his victims more efficiently.
This could be huge, I’m tellin ya.
lol, ietcvm
Weren’t you in favor of Imus being fired? Now you’re throwing around ‘retarded’?
I don’t understand what A has to do with B, but yes, I say it all the time. Sorry I’m not 100% PC.
I also have a retarded uncle and volunteered for the Special Olympics, so all the more reason why I shouldn’t say it, but it’s a habit and no one’s perfect.
I was thinking about the As offseason and selling high on the pitchers they have. I was considering Trevor Cahill specifically, would you guys trade him for Starlin Castro? I sure as hell would. Good young shortstops are harder to find that 2/3 starter types. I’m curious if that trade happened, straight up, who would be considered the winner.
Would have to be the A’s. On top of the difficulty of finding a SS as you pointed out, Castro is 2 years younger and has an extra year of team control.
Plus Cahill had a .238 BABIP against, his numbers from last year are definitely not sustainable.
I think we all know that…he’s not a bad pitcher, but he’s definitely not a sub three ERA guy. Perhaps 200 or so IP with around a fourish ERA. Still pretty valuable, but not elite.
Yeah, I agree…I think in terms of WAR they’d be about the same in value, yet a talent like Castro’s would be much more rare. Perhaps that’s a limitation of WAR.
Well, it doesn’t really matter if it doesn’t contribute to wins, right?
It might be more accurate to say that, while they’d provide comparable WAR in 2011, Castro’s lesser service time makes him more valuable — and his greater upside is just gravy.
Castro > Cahill for sure.
For those of you who like metal (i.e. those of us who aren’t pussies) next year has a big releases. New Testament, Megadeth, and Lars and Kirk confirmed a new Metallica album. New albums mean new tours, which means my pants have gotten tight.
Dimmu Borgir just put out a pretty ridiculously awesome new album last month. And I liked Testament’s last album that had Nick Barker on drums(is he coming back?). That guy is the CC of metal drumming (well, maybe Gene Hoglan fits that bill too) in terms of skills and sheer mass…
Paul Bostaph is their drummer now, he was Slayer’s drummer after Lombardo left.
Gotcha, haven’t listened to much Testament, nor have I ever been crazy about thrash metal. Just not my cup of tea. But it does have it’s moments, and I always like to hear it sneak into other forms of metal when it’s called for.
Oh cool, thrash metal fan. I haven’t been to any shows in a while though. Megadeth is one of my favorite bands but they’re pretty robotic on stage, nothing to write home about.
Ehhh…Dave’s had way heavy of a life. Plus his singing is hit and miss live.
Quick survey:
How would you feel about the Yankees bidding for the rights to Tsuyoshi Nishioka? I would like to see him as a utility guy.
I dislike the idea of bidding on utility guys.
I’ve been behind this idea since I heard he was going to be posted. He’s an excellent idea if the Jeter negotiations go to shit. If not, it’d be a good idea to have him around as a utility type guy and he could play stopgap depending on the length of Jeter’s next deal.
he’ll cost something like 40m-50m, at least. no way.
Ummm… pretty sure he’s going to be a little more than a utility guy. Or will at least be bid upon that way
How many wins would the Yankees get if they made no big move this off season? Or just landing their own guys (Pettitte, Jeter, Mo)?
Rotation: Sabathia, Hughes, Pettitte, Burnett, Nova
Lineup: Gardner, Jeter, Tex, A-Rod, Cano, Swisher, Granderson, Posada, Cervelli.
I think the team could still be very good without Lee, and possibly take home the division if the Starting pitching holds up.
your lineup is missing Jesus Montero. And the Yankees would probaly win around 90 games.
Throw The Jesus into that lineup and then ask me again.
Nevermind, I still say 92 games.
I have a hard time seeing that team make the playoffs next year. You’ve got two question marks in your rotation and you’re relying far too heavily on a 38-39 year old Andy Pettitte. The offense will be fine, but Cervelli is not the answer at catcher and if we’re relying on him as our starter, we’re in trouble.
The Rays are still going to be good, built around pitching; and the Red Sox are presumably going to rebound from last year. I also can’t sleep on the Blue Jays because they’ve got a bunch of talent coming up through their system and could be fighting for a playoff spot.
Do you really think the Rays will still be as good without Pena, Soriano, and Crawford? That’s assuming they all leave of course. Which they probably will with Tampa Bay’s pay cut.
Jennings may not hit yet but I imagine he’ll be great in the outfield over the course of a season. 1B’s with some pop aren’t that rare, with their farm depth they could probably trade for a Gaby Sanchez or something easily. They can probably put together a serviceable pen with internal options and some affordable FA’s. Lot’s of question marks but I expect them to be very good with that rotation.
What about James Shields? He seemed to be losing his stuff.
His ’10 FIP seems ok for an AL East guy, I don’t think it’s that big of a detriment when the rest of your rotation has the potential to be really good.
“Do you really think the Rays will still be as good without Pena, Soriano, and Crawford?”
Also losing benoit and balfour to free agency is gonna hurt. Those two were as valuable as anyone on that team not named Price and Longoria. Everyone seems to LOVE Jeremy Hellickson, so he might be a nice addition. Desmond Jennings is a nice prospect but I don’t see him coming close to Crawford’s production next year. Jake McGee also has the potential to replace one of the setup men. But it’s just that, potential. Bottom line:
Soriano, Pena, Crawford, Benoit, Balfour > Hellickson, Jennings, McGee
The offense will be fine, but Cervelli is not the answer at catcher and if we’re relying on him as our starter, we’re in trouble.
Cervelli was our starting Catcher for half of 2010, and the Yanks won 95 games.
You know you’re a spoiled Yankee fan when you expect the #9 batter to be good. If Montero breaks out we could have a good to great batter in every slot though.
I posted this in the Buck thread but Frankie was at one point considered a plus defensive catcher. You don’t just lose those tools overnight. Sure he kinda shit the bed behind the plate this year but I don’t think he’s beyond repair.
That being said, is he the answer? No. Offensivly he may never be anything to right home about, but if he works out his issues behind the plate and lives up to that plus defense that was expected of him I have no issues seeing him as a number two catcher.
I agree completely. I think much of his issues with throwing out runners has to do with the fact that about half of his starts were catching AJ Burnett, who makes no effort to hold runners. He had some other head scratchers, but nothing that worry me in a fundamental way.
100% agree. Yeah, Brains had a terrible year on D, but he has a MiLB CS% of 41% and a fine rep for Defense. He WILL be better in 2011.
Though the rumours of a Garza trade remain an interesting offseason story, until such rumours actually pick up steam and become talks, any Rays rotation next season has to be written down as Price-Garza-Niemann-Shields-Davis. Considering that still leaves out Hellickson, who killed it once he called up, i think the Rays pitching is going to remain best in the division.
Expecting Ellsbury, Pedroia, and Youkilis to miss another bazillion games next season is plain unreasonable. They’ve yet to lose Beltre or Vmart , and chances are Theo pays up and keeps Beltre.
They’ve yet to lose Beltre or Vmart
No, they’ve yet to sign Beltre or V-Mart. They’re not on the team.
They’ve yet to lose Beltre or Vmart
No, they’re gone as of this moment. They don’t get to keep them by default just because they haven’t signed elsewhere yet.
Can someone explain to me why the Yankees should treat Derek Jeter any different than they treated Bernie Williams when his contract was up? Instead of a minor league deal and an invite to spring training you hear about $20M a year for three years and a $75M “personal services” contract.
Jeter is better than Williams was. There were also alternatives for losing Bernie. Johnny Damon > Eduardo Nunez.
Also Jeter is more capable of being a productive player than Williams was at that point of his career. That being said, WE WANT BERNIE!!!!!
But in terms of respect and being a Yankee legend; why do people believe that should play a role in the Jeter negotiations when the Yanks clearly didn’t do that with Bernie (rightfully so)
williams (2003-2005) fwar: -1.5
jeter (2008-2010) fwar: 13.3
Please tell me you don’t look at Jeter’s ’08 and ’09 when trying to forecast his performamce over the next three years.
i say 7.5 fwar in the next 3 years. but that was not the point.
jeter is not yet a small catastrophe?
Not yet. At least not in theory.
Eh, Jeter is far, far better now that Bernie was even in 2003, when he started the crater. Not a good comp.
I’m focusing more or the “respect, legend, appreciation” aspect more then the actual production.
Jeter should be paid based on his production, NOTHING else.
I agree completely, but it won’t happen like that. I can understand overpaying somewhat based on past heroics, but to the tune of $20M a year when he’s an $8M a year player? Eh.
i don’t mind slightly overpaying free agents. i don’t mind clearly overpaying yankee legends. beyond that, i do mind.
Wow. I’m glad you agree Mike. Wish more people and especially the yanks thought like us.
“i don’t mind slightly overpaying free agents. i don’t mind clearly overpaying yankee legends. beyond that, i do mind.”
I mind overpaying anyone a dollar. I don’t wanna hear that scott downs (or someone like that) was too expensive for us @ $3.5 or $4M.
’cause that’s the reason we’re not getting downs.
I just don’t see him getting a pay raise per year over the current contract. Enough so that I’ve bet my friend lol.
This is a ridiculous comment… Bernie clearly had nothing left. Jeter is still one of the best SS in baseball. If Jeter had nothing left the Yankees would push him out the door in a second.
Ive been away since the alcs… Can someone clue me into all this mystery pitcher talk?
we don’t talk about that. careless talk costs lives.
Well can I atleast know where it started?
Joe is supposedly going to write a trade idea article about a current NL starter who used to be in the AL. Many here have been speculating about the mystery pitcher’s identity since.
I hate the Seminoles. And the Tar Heels. But mostly the Seminoles.
Oh well, at least the Gators lost.
We sign Jeter and trade him, Gardner, Nova, Laird and any minor league pitcher for tulowitzki. We also subsidize jeter’s contract, so the Rockies don’t add any cost/payroll by making the deal.
ah, that johnnie walker wisdom.
Ha! Just Bloggin..
I put some effort into it though. Gardner is a good addition for them. they’re geting our best pitching prospect. They’re weak on the IF corners so Laird fits. I’m sending money their way and I’m throwing in Nova for good measure. I might even consider including Warren but let them ask for it first.
Your Trade Proposal Sucks.
Maybe. But if it does, it illustrates that Jeter isn’t a $20M a year player.
Nope. Jeter could have produced this year like he did in 2009 and it would still suck. Why would the Rockies trade their best player, and one of their franchise players, especially when they’re actually contenders?
Why would the Rockies trade their best player, and
one oftheir franchise players, especially when they’re actually contenders.Fixed. Helton is a shell of his former self, and while Ubaldo is really good, from here forward, Tulo is the Rockies. He is going nowhere.
Yeah, not disagreeing. We can both agree Tulo’s going nowhere, for pretty much any package. You could throw Montero and Joba in there and I’m not sure the Rockies would take it.
plus, he can void his contract if he’s traded. he’s definitely going nowhere.
I don’t want to speak for her, but bexy probably had CarGo in mind when she made the above post about franchise players. If CarGo can get his road numbers up, he will definitely have the makings of a second franchise player for the Rockies.
Nah, I was thinking of Ubaldo actually. We’re all just splitting hairs here – the point is that Tulo is an extremely valuable player to the Rockies, both in terms of what he does on the field and as a face of the franchise. They wouldn’t trade him for anything unless they got, like, I don’t know, the entire minor league system, and why would we want to do that?
Ahh, my bad. Sorry. Anyway, yeah – Colorado is definitely not moving Tulo.
trade packages that could possibly net Tulo:
Felix + B prospect
Verlander + two top prospects
Rasmus + Pujols + Money
Gallardo + Escobar + B prospect
Pedroia + Youkilis + Buccholz
and MAYBE
Cano + Hughes + Joba + Jesus + Banuelos + Brackman + Heathcott
More bad press for Derek Jeter:
Has everyone seen this?
http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=12399
who wouldn’t want cashman’s job? who the hell would know what to do with it? the derivative of the house you-know-who built is shaking at the foundation with andy talking retirement, jeter and mo staying silent and jorge murmuring like a guy who needs brain surgery more than knee surgery…as yogi said, when you get to the fork in the road, take it…if the league doesn’t minimize nyy in ’11, it says more about the weaknesses of the yanks’ rivals than it does about their pinstripe strengths…money’s terrific when there’s something worth spending it on