Open Thread: One Year Ago Today

How big a role will income tax play in Cliff Lee's decision?
A parable: From riches to Rags
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That was a good day, wasn’t it? If you want to re-live the magic, here’s our World Champions thread. If you want to go back even further, here’s the Game Thread. We needed seven freakin’ spillovers that night. To be quite honest I don’t remember much of the game itself. I certainly remember Hideki Matsui‘s two-run homer to open the scoring, Damaso Marte striking out Chase Utley and Ryan Howard on six total pitches, and of course the final out. I remember some other stuff (Matsui’s double to right-center, Howard’s homer), but that’s what jumps to mind immediately. What about you?

Once you’re done reminiscing, use this as your open thread. The Rangers, Islanders, and Knicks are all playing, so at list there’s some decent local sports action on the tube. Talk about whatever, just be cool.

Says Joe: You all have an assignment for the open thread. You are to watch this video:

And then tell us which commenter Carl most resembles.

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How big a role will income tax play in Cliff Lee's decision?
A parable: From riches to Rags
  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

    re the video: Male first name only handle rule?

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Yeah… that was pretty awesome. :’)

    (Also, I found the Bleacher Report article to end all Bleacher Report articles today wheeee~)

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Let’s hear it. Linkage, m’lady.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        I feel bad just sharing this buuuuuut.

        http://tinyurl.com/2bqng9u

        I purposefully put that in tinyURL so as not to ruin the um, wonderful title

        • I Voted for Kodos

          I don’t think they have human writers at the Bleacher Report. I think they let thousands of monkeys fling their shit at keyboards randomly until the results resemble what too often passes for a cogent sports opinion.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          I like how the author’s handle is “Satchel Marquard”.

          I wonder if he knows how old Satchel Paige and Rube Marquard were when they were wrapping up their careers. I’ll say “no”.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            Well, Marquard was 38

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Also:

          P-E-T-T-I-T-T-E.

          You’re writing a damn article about the man and mentioned his name dozens of times. There’s four “T”s in it, not three.

          Gimme a friggin’ break.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Seriously, is it wrong that that was my biggest issue with it? Other than… like… everything?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              It would be like me writing an article talking about how bad a president George Busch was.

              • I Voted for Kodos

                He was no Bill Klintun.

        • Ray the Anti-Handle

          Holy crap, that was a mind-blowing exhibition of stupidity. Can I get paid to write that logic-deprived drivel?

          His response to one comment:

          Doug,
          Andy cheated. Why are we supposed to believe him now? Because he gave a sincere apology? Maybe back in the 19th century it worked like that, but not with today’s media.

          I mean, seriously? Why is someone so deprived of logical thinking allowed to write?

          • Mister Delaware

            Also, isn’t the media decidedly less investigative now than in the past?

    • JerseyDutch

      And yet Bautista gets a pass. Amazing…

      • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

        …As he should, being that there’s no proof he took PEDs.

        • Mister Delaware

          Nope, I’m with him. Next up, Stephen Drew. I mean, c’mon Stephen, a dozen triples? We’re supposed to believe that’s natural?

        • JerseyDutch

          My point exactly. Thanks for playing.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
    • Jon in CUO

      There was no way HazMat wasn’t homering off of Pedro in that at-bat. Matsui spit on everything out of the zone and it seemed like the only strikes Pedro got were on hard hit foul balls.

  • vin

    That really was a simpler time, wasn’t it?

    I’m honored that my eloquent comment is first on that World Champtions thread.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Hey, look, there’s evidence of me advocating for Damon and Matsui to be resigned!

      http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-676769

      It’s true, it was a simpler time. I was simple enough to hope that Johnny Damon wouldn’t be batshit insane and think he deserved a 3yr/39M deal, and simple enough to think that there was no way we’d get Curtis Granderson without giving up a solid young frontline starter*. Ah, the halcyon days of yore…

      *(P.S. Thanks, Arizona, for helping out with the Max Scherzer throw in! Sincerely, the Yankees.)

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Thanks to last night’s Open Thread, I ended up browsing through articles from the 2008-2009 offseason. It was fun. I highly recommend this thread for the batshittery:
        http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....n-it-5971/

        Also, this quote by, well, you:
        As much as I dislike the notion of us paying A.J. Burnett, who is capable of leading the league in strikeouts while still posting a WHIP north of 1.5 and going 12-11 with a 4.30 ERA like nobody’s business, I agree with all of this.
        Le sigh. :(

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Further down that thread, there’s one of my favorite lines ever from Sal/Bo/Grant/Lanny in regards to the hypothetical “Wouldn’t the Sox have been better off not trading Hanley Ramirez for Josh Beckett?” question:

          Bo says:
          November 17, 2008 at 3:23 pm

          Must be an idiot for thinking that the games best Oct pitcher is somehw worth more than a SS who toils in obscurity for a 80 win team yet has all the stats in the world.

          Shucks. Forgive me for thinking that dominant starting pitching is the number one thing a team needs to win titles. Not stat accumulating middle infielders like Ramirez and Soriano.

          That’s right, people. Hanley Ramirez can’t possibly be as valuable as Josh Beckett because he “accumulates stats… toiling in obscurity” for the Marlins. Ah, the SBGL experience. Never Always a dull moment.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            But wait, if he played for the Red Sox then he wouldn’t be…I mean…just…::head explodes::

        • Kevin G.

          Thanks to last night’s Open Thread, I ended up browsing through articles from the 2008-2009 offseason.

          You’re welcome. ;)

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    also, Carl = mryankee?

  • Mike HC

    That video was absolutely hysterical. Legitimately cracking up. I think the music really put it over the top. hahah

    • Mike HC

      That sounds like classic Bo to me.

      • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Nah… Bo was awful, but in more of a contrarian/troll kind of way. For Carl we need to think of someone who’s just pure meathead, someone who just blindly holds onto every silly narrative and reactionary more. Carl doesn’t say shit just because he wants to piss people off and be a dick, he really believes everything John Sterling says in a Yankeeography, he believes in inherent Yankee exceptionalism.

        I don’t remember all the current and old commenters too well, but my initial reaction is to go with DonnieBaseballHOF, or whatever that guy called himself.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Either him or touchtoneterriost a/k/a Joba To The Pen a/k/a Hughes To The Pen a/k/a Joba and Hughes to the Pen a/k/a Adrian-Retire-21

        • Mike HC

          For me, it just seemed like the classic Bo style of, quick two line, simple minded logic, then on to the next complaint.

          You may be right though. I don’t know about all the commenters either. I guess Joe will have to enlighten us at some point.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          I was thinking mryankee because of the obsession with trades. If only Carl had started talking about Justin Verlander. :(

          • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            No, see, that’s why it’s not mryankee. Carl isn’t in love with other team’s players, they barely register with him. ‘Cliff Lee? Yeah I guess you proved yourself worthy, you can be a Yankee.’ It’s all about the inherent greatness of his teams, whether it’s the Yanks or the Giants or whoever. If you don’t wear the uniform he likes, you are a nobody who will be squashed beneath the awesome power of his favorite team.

            • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              And, yes, I know way too much about the psyche of Mr. Brutananadilewski.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              You bring up an excellent point. In that case, maybe Januz?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Not enough parentheticals or non sequiturs about the Penguins or Penn State.

              • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Eh, I’m sticking with DBHOF, I like that pick. That guy would side with a Yankee-centric argument about anything. Carl’s a Mattingly guy, too.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  But does he hate Bernie Williams enough?

                  Or the gays?

                  • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                    I would venture a guess that he does, on both counts. Maybe he wouldn’t hate Bernie, but he definitely wouldn’t appreciate him as he should.

                    • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                      Actually, I’ll amend that slightly. He wouldn’t dislike Bernie at all, he’d probably love Bernie because Bernie was on the dynasty teams. He definitely wouldn’t hate Bernie at all.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      As long as he hates the gays. That’s a non-negotiable.

  • YankeesJunkie

    Also, David Ortiz is OK with not getting a multi year, but just his 12.5 million option picked up. Everything is OK

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime-Mrs. OBP Jesus Maquinito

    Someone asked this question in the KLaw chat today, seriously:

    The Yankees need a young centerfielder. Would the Angels trade Mike Trout for Austin Romine and Pat Venditte?

    ****

    ….

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    • vin

      They’d have to throw in Weaver just to make it fair.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      I liked KLaw’s response:

      Best. Question. Ever.

      • vin

        Think about what the Angels would be getting though.

        Romine can reunite with his brother – which will surely turn him into an elite prospect.

        Acquiring Venditte is like getting 2 pitchers. They can trade his left arm to a team like the Jays or Rangers (they love LOOGYs), and his right arm to the Red Sox (they need effective righties in their ballpark).

        Besides, Trout will be 20 by the 2nd half next year. Guys like Jason Heyward and Felix Hernandez were already holding their own in the big leagues by that point. Where’s the upside?!

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          They can trade his left arm to a team like the Jays or Rangers (they love LOOGYs), and his right arm to the Red Sox (they need effective righties in their ballpark).

          Hahahah! IETC

  • vin

    Anyone else surprised Theo is willing to pay Ortiz 12.5 mil next year? He’s still productive… but that’s a hell of a lot of coin for a DH. He can’t hit lefties, and can’t play the field. What would he get on the open market? 1/7?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      He’s insurance against Beltre leaving and Crawford/Werth both taking deals elsewhere (which will probably happen).

      It makes a little sense. A little.

    • Mike HC

      In that situation, it seemed like it was Ortiz for 12.5 million, or no Ortiz at all. Ortiz would have definitely went to another team if Boston declined the option then offered him a market rate.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Ortiz would have definitely went to another team if Boston declined the option then offered him a market rate.

        It’s called “pulling a Johnny Damon”.

        • Mike HC

          I actually originally wrote that he “pull a Damon,” but ended up erasing it because I didn’t want people think I meant how Damon bolted the Sox to the Yanks and not the Yanks to the Tigers.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        Wait, are you implying that the Red Sox are capable of reluctantly overpaying for a guy rather than letting him walk entirely? That seems like a silly move for such a small-market team.

    • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I don’t know… As much as we like to knock Papi, he did have a really good season in 2010. He had the slow start and still finished at .270/.370/.529/.899 (137 OPS+), including .286/.385/.558/.943 w/31 HR after April. Worth $13.2M in 2010 according to fangraphs.

      (source: history)

      • Mike HC

        I’m sure his agent would have been sure to bring this up if he was a free agent, but what team would have actually paid him 12.5 million to DH? I just don’t see it.

        • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Maybe, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t worth it to Boston to keep him in the fold and move on to other possibilities/transactions. Guy’s still a really good hitter, big part of that franchise, yadda yadda.

          • Mike HC

            I’m with you. I think Boston was smart to pick up the contract.

        • YankeesJunkie

          well he did put up 3 WAR this year even after an awful April. Do I expect him to put up those type of numbers next year? No, but if considering how well he played last year we should not be shocked the Boston is paying a premium especially for a Red Sox legacy player like Ortiz. Also, this means the Sox won’t give him a potentially worse multi year deal.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I think it actually totally makes sense. Ortiz got off to a sloooowww start this year, but ended up with really solid numbers. So you either pick up his option, or you don’t. If you don’t pick up the option, you either let him walk (when you’re not sure if V-Mart and Beltre will return), or you get into complicated negotiations with him where he either ends up leaving, or you sign him to a multi-year contract which is probably not wise.

      If they were to go on the free market, well, you can never really tell with DHs. A lot of the guys on the market are old and/or pretty big injury risks. We got DH-like production out of Thames but who would’ve bet on that at the beginning of the year?

      I definitely rarely go out of the way to defend the Boston FO but this was smart. IMO.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Yeah, keeping Ortiz on a fungible one year deal in a winter where you might lose Martinez and/or Beltre and might strike out on the good bats on the market makes sense.

        • vin

          I guess it makes sense… They’re probably better off making sure they have plenty of cash available next year for A-Gon or Pujols (just in case).

          I still can’t see them going after Crawford though. They would have to move one of their OFers (unless if they want Cameron or Ellsbury to play off the bench). Also, so much of Crawford’s defensive value is nullified by playing in front of the Monster. He really would be a good fit for the M’s.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Cameron and Ellsbury may not be healthy enough to be fulltime players anyway.

  • Bryan

    Phil Brigma will be the next yanks pitching coach. Take it to the bank

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    Aw, guys, MLBN thinks there’s hope for the Yankees in 2011. lol whatevs

    • ultimate913

      Don’t take their word for it.

      I mean, the Yankees are the only team with issues and the Red Sox have 5 aces.

      • Sam P.

        Don’t forget that Mitch Williams (MLB.com reporter!) also thought the Yanks were the odd team out in the AL East / Wildcard. He’s right — he’s a former player. I’m inclined to wait until he gives his 2011 suggestions before I think the Yanks have any shot at respectability.

  • YankeesJunkie

    Should I have another drink?

    • Mike HC

      Only if you are going to be driving later. I heard it enhances the experience.

      • YankeesJunkie

        Damn, not a car near by. Also heard that drinking while driving is even better, especially for long road trips with the kids.

        • Mike HC

          I can tell you know what you are talking about. It is best to spike the kids drinks with alcohol too on those trips. Don’t want to be selfish.

          • YankeesJunkie

            They can split up a fifth of McCormicks, but the Jameson’s is for me dammit.

            • Mike HC

              I think that is reasonable.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              MacCutcheon, homie. $600 a glass.

              LOST’d

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Get the kids nice and toasted too. Less back seat complaining about all the swerving and speeding and driving with your lights out.

          (This entire conversation is probably tasteless and shouldn’t happen, but whatevs.)

          • Mike HC

            Yea, this could be headed down a dark path if we continue. Best to cut if off here, ha.

            • YankeesJunkie

              True at least no one read it for the most part.

          • YankeesJunkie

            Yeah, but they want food and come up with even more idiotic ideas than they already usually do. But whatever we will all be passed out two hours into the sixteen hour trip.

            • Mike HC

              haha, that last line was classic.

  • first time lawng time

    Anyone else feel a little sad seeing that picture? I’m just sad (sorta), because it makes me remember how nice it was when they won the WS and then this year they got eliminated.

    I don’t remember that game at all. I remember the final out and Hideki Matsui…that’s it.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      That picture makes me excited to win another one in 2011 when our team is even more pimptastic.

      • first time lawng time

        We has such a good team in 2010, it’s such a disappointment the didn’t win the WS. By that, I mean they had so much talent on paper, but our big guys (Jeter, Burtnett, A-Rod etc) didn’t perform as well as they could of. If that team clicked on all cylinders, it would have been sick.

        • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

          Do you, like, like being depressed?

  • first time lawng time

    Anyone watching the Knicks on TNT?

    I am, and I get TNT on HD, but I don’t get MSG in HD, so I’m watching them in HD for the first time. It’s really nice.

  • candyforstalin

    so i saw two twilight movies in the past week. and as barely watchable as they are, am i the only one to whom miss stewart’s acute vulnerability gets to?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Sign #1 that we’re in the horse latitudes of the offseason: We’re discussing the Twilight movies.

      • Mike HC

        I thought drunk driving humor was the first sign?

        • YankeesJunkie

          Yeah…damn it is November 5th, but it was funny

          • Mike HC

            Only one day off on the date? That is too close. You definitely need to start catching up.

            • YankeesJunkie

              It is November 5th where I am at.

    • Hughesus Christo

      See The Runaways.

    • Accent Shallow

      I’m not one to judge, but you apparently have terrible taste in women.

      /whoops!

  • first time lawng time

    Watching the Knicks play teams like the Bulls makes me realize how bad they really are. I mean you see the Bulls and they’re so speedy, over the top dunks, lots of range, and play defense.

    And then you see the Knicks, and they seem so bad and lifeless.

    • Hughesus Christo

      The Knicks aren’t that bad, and it’s 26-26.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Watching the Knicks play teams like the Bulls makes me realize how bad they really are. I mean you see the Bulls and they’re so speedy, over the top dunks, lots of range, and play defense.

      And then you see the Knicks, and they seem so bad and lifeless.

      I agree.

      Sincerely,
      2008

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      My gosh, when you look at flowers do they die?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        L.M.F.A.O. My goodness.

    • CP

      Are you referring to the game the Knicks are winning by 18 at the half? Not watching the game, but I’ll take dull and lifeless with an 18 point lead over speedy dunks.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    The best moment from that World Championship thread a year ago:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-676890

  • Mike HC

    Anybody see that Rose dunk? Fucking incredible. That is why you gotta love the NBA.

    • first time lawng time

      Bulls have been a little over-the-top with their dunks though. Been kinda annoying.

      • Mike HC

        It is entertaining to me.

      • Esteban

        How can dunks be over the top, if they’re working?

        • Mike HC

          I took that comment in the same vein as people back in the day who wanted to ban the dunk. Respect the game or some bullshit like that.

          I like the big dunks.

          • Esteban

            Stop being so flashy! Less dunks, more set shots!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          You know why players dunk the ball? Because it’s the highest probability shot you can possibly take. Not liking dunks is a little like not liking strikeouts or homers.

    • Esteban

      Shit was ridiculous

  • U Thant

    Makes me laugh everytime.

    tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside says:
    November 4, 2009 at 7:07 pm
    He was flatulent. Ate one of those “burrito as big as your head” deals.

    It took forever to microwave, I’m told.

  • YankeesJunkie

    So…you know who the Yankees should sign, Willie Bloomquist, Gerald Laird, and Jorge DeRosa. Bloomquist is super sub that can play almost every position decently and give the older guys a break. Laird is a great defensive catcher and will be a huge upgrade over Posada and Cervelli which will give the Yankees like three additional wins, and Jorge DeLa Rosa is a lefty better AJ Burnett. These signs will push the Yankees over the top next year. :)

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      OH SHIT YOU DONE SAID IT

      • Hughesus Christo

        Goddamit! The Yankees will go nowhere until they have at least 5 gritty players with .300 OBPs on the roster!

        • YankeesJunkie

          Jose Lopez and Erick Aybar have huge hearts and would at least give the Yankees 10 extra wins. Can you say 163-(-1) record.

          • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

            So 164 wins? dayumnnnn sonnn

      • YankeesJunkie

        What? Found the secret recipe for success.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      needs moar Erik Bedard

  • Mike HC

    Damn. The lineup the bulls have in right now is horrific.

  • Esteban

    Rank the PGs in the NBA

    I’d go
    Paul
    Rose
    Rondo
    John Wall’s Dougie dance (not the player, the dance)
    Deron Williams
    Nash
    Westbrook

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Westbrook is way too low.

      • Esteban

        Yea, that’s probably true. Where would you put him? Certainly not better than John Wall’s Dougie right?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Paul
          Rondo
          Westbrook (#youheardme)
          Rose
          Williams
          Wall
          Nash

          I could be talked into flip-flopping Williams and Wall, but for now, I’m reserving judgement. Dude’s only played 4 games so far.

          Russell Westbrook is a top 3 PG, and probably a top 15 player overall. He’s THAT nice. I’d almost put him above Rondo.

          • Esteban

            FWIW, Hollinger has Westbrook at #2 amongst PGs in PER behind only Paul.

            Top 10
            Paul
            Westbrook
            Curry
            Harris
            Rose

            Then again this though only 4-6 games, so take that with a grain silo full of salt.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              20 and 7 dimes a night, super-efficient, lockdown defense. He’s a beast.

              He made the leap this summer on the national team; he and Durant were the two best players.

          • Esteban

            I would like to see Westbrook to get his 3p% up though. He is good without that, but would be unstoppable with a reliable 3

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              True.

              Most of those guys can’t reliably knock down threes, though. Nash is the only truly good shooter; maybe Paul as well.

              • Esteban

                Yea, Rose and Rondo are both pretty atrocious shooting 3s

                Wow
                Wall, Rondo, Nash, Rose, Parker, Harris are all averaging at least. 3.5 TO/Gm so far.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  Westbrook’s only 2.5.

                  • Esteban

                    Yea, another point in his favor.

    • Mike HC

      I would go:

      Paul
      Deron Williams
      Nash
      Wall
      Rose
      Rondo
      Curry
      Kidd
      Westbrook

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        I don’t think Kidd should be on anymore best PG lists.

        • Mike HC

          He is still a damn good point guard though. I have no problem putting Westbrook above him though. Maybe Aaron Brooks too. I’m not really considering Tyreke Evans a point either. Or else he would also be higher.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Putting Curry and Kidd lower than Westbrook is an insult to logic.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Sorry:

            Putting Curry and Kidd lower HIGHER than Westbrook is an insult to logic.

          • Mike HC

            I don’t see Westbrook play enough to be honest. Now that OKC should be on national TV a lot more this year, I will be able to form a better opinion. He is also still getting better I am sure. He has started strong this year.

            But, the guys I have above Westbrook are really good too. It is not that cut and dry with any them really.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              By season’s end, people will talk about Durant and Westbrook as the best duo in the entire league, and that includes any twosome that the Lakers/Heat/Celtics/etc. trot out there.

              #youheardme

              • Esteban

                No way they get more hype than Bron Bron and DWade

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                  They’ll play together more seamlessly, though, because they’re not both wings trying to do the same thing at the same time.

                  • Esteban

                    If they can figure it out, I would take Bron and Dwyane above KD and Westbrook, but not by much.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      Sure, I agree.

                      If they can figure it out.

                    • Mike HC

                      I’m taking LeBron and Wade in a second. As good as Durant is, LeBron is better in my opinion. And Wade is better than Westbrook.

                      They will play together just fine.

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      It’s a lot closer than you think.

                      It’s not LeBron >>>>>>>>>> Durant and Wade >>>>>> Westbrook, it’s more like LeBron >> Durant and Wade > Westbrook.

                      KD and West are really, really, really, really good.

                    • Mike HC

                      Yea. I’m not taking away from Durant and Westbrook. I think Wade is considerably better than Westbrook though, not slightly. But if you are driving the Westbrook bus, who am I to tell you to cool off?

                    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                      I think Wade is considerably better than Westbrook though, not slightly.

                      But as you admit, you’ve seen a lot more of Wade than you have of Westbrook. He’s closed the gap, but you haven’t witnessed it yet.

                      You will.

                    • Mike HC

                      Fair enough. This NBA season should be great. And seeing the Thunder play is definitely a big part of the reason.

  • Esteban

    Gallo’s recovering from his wrist injury? 5-6 FGs and 2-2 on 3s

    • Mike HC

      Yea, its about time. It was getting embarrassing.

      On the downside, he seems to be nothing more than a three point shooter.

      • Reggie C.

        Yeah. He’s got to rebuild that trade value! MELO FOR XMAS!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          That’s what Chandler and Randolph are for.

  • Reggie C.

    Who should I start at QB this week: Eli or Ben Roethlisberger?

    I’m not fully confident in the GMen’s ability to keep their hot play going against SEA. I think the Giants will win the game, but I’m kinda expecting an ugly game. Will Eli’s inaccuracies return?

    Ben has a favorable match-up against Cincy. Though i’m not exactly sure he’s a better play than Eli right now.

    • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

      I’d start Ben. I think G-men win, and easily, and I love me some Eli, but Ben is just a better player. When in doubt, go with the better player.

  • Mike R

    That Adult Swim video is fucking hilarious..

  • Mike HC

    What a surprise Landry is. His athleticism plays a lot better than he was given credit for.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      All of that. This is like our version of finding Michael Redd in the second round.

  • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

    So, using the equivalent of gameday with a basketball game is boring as fuck.

    Well shitdammit.

    But at least my new favorite basketball team the Knicks arewinning. GO BROSKIS!!!!

  • Brooklyn Ed

    so rumors has it that the Reds and Twins might nontender Jared Burton and Pat Neshek respectively this offseason. I think both could absoultly dominate being a low risk/high reward arms, if they could dominated like the did in 2007/8. Refresh my memory, weren’t the Yanks linked to Neshek 3 years ago?

  • Hall and Nokes

    Nothing against Steve Kerr, but the only thing that would make this Knicks game better is if John Andariese was sitting next to Marv. This is so 1992 it hurts.

    • Hall and Nokes

      Except for the Knicks winning part. And I guess this would be more like a final score in ’92.

      • Mike HC

        And Rose and Amare are not quite Jordan and Ewing.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    You know what? I’m gonna need Landry Fields to get a new hairstyle and facial grooming regimen and some tattoos so he stops looking like a shrunken version of Channing Frye.

    This is creeping me out.

    • Mike HC

      haha. Good call. I get him confused with Gallo on the court sometimes. Similar number too.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    If anyone knows how to fix a STOP 0x07E error soon that would be greatly appreciated.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    Anyone have the (ahem) more detailed BA reviews of their Top 10 handy? Mike’s snippets were great, but they just whet my appetite.

    We wouldn’t want to run afoul of any copyright laws or anything, so just the top 5 would be great.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      Because I am fourteen and do not have any resources by which to acquire a subscription of this Baseball America,
      someone please, please tell me more.

  • Esteban

    I gotta say, I have more hope for the knicks than I’ve had in a long time. This team is almost likeable.

    • Mike HC

      It is all about Amare. He makes us legitimate. Finally.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      And it looks like the Bucks have been oversold a bit. Pretty much every preview had them as locks to be better than the Knicks; I don’t think many people would state that with certainty after seeing early returns.

      The Heat, Celtics, Magic, Bulls, and Hawks are demonstrably better than New York, but I’m upgrading the “They should get the #8 seed, but that’s it” forecast to “They could be in play for the #6 seed”.

      • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

        Question for you: In the other 3 sports, even the lowest seeded teams generally have a shot at winning the title. Even in hockey, I believe (not sure) a team seeded eighth got into the Stanley Cup.

        My question is, is it really the same in basketball? Nobody really acts that way, and every year it seems tto me like the good teams win w/o too much difficulty. Is this true? Or is it more like baseball where you should just be happy about making the playoffs because you now have a shot at the title?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          No, you’re right. It’s a bit harder for lower-seeded longshots to upset a team in the NBA, because there’s so many games played for talent to win out (and a bit less natural luck involved than in a sport like hockey or baseball, I’d surmise).

          Being the 6th seed doesn’t mean all that much, i suppose, because this Knicks team isn’t winning a first round matchup with any top 3 team in any likelihood, but any oasis in a desert is a welcome sight.

          • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

            No, making the playoffs is cool. It means the Knicks aren’t total garbage, there’s a light at the end of the tunnel.

            And anyway, even a slim, totally ridiculous, basically impossible chance is still a chance.

        • YankeesJunkie

          I mean the warriors an #8 beat the #1 Mavs a couple years ago so big upsets are possible, but the last few years have been dominated by the best one or two teams. In basketball it is hard because the good teams win 75% of their games against teams that win 50-55% so there is quite a disparity some times.

          • Mike HC

            Knicks also made the championship as an 8 seed in the lockout shortened season. Celtics were the four seed last year.

            • Mike HC

              nevermind. Celtics might have been the three seed but had the fourth best record.

        • Mike HC

          In baseball, only 8 teams make the playoffs. 16 make the NBA playoffs. So all the MLB playoff teams are pretty strong. The NBA lets in far weaker teams.

          Among other things

          • poster on another computer who happens to be a deuce bag

            Yeah, that’s why I also mentioned hockey.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/g.....index.html

    heh technology is now racist.

  • Sean C

    I saw on the always-reliable espn.com that Pujols said he wishes to remain a Cardinal for his entire career. There go our chances at the best DH in the game.

    (I’ve seen someone someone post the Pujols/Yankees DH batshittery around here before).

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      yeah… no.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        It was sarcasm, look at the sentence in parentheses.

    • Hall and Nokes

      what, didn’t Ortiz have his option picked up today?

    • Poopy Pants

      I thought Montero-Posada-Arod-Jeter would be the best DH in the game?

  • Esteban

    Can I haz dfense?

  • ChrisR

    I absolutely loved the 2009 Yankees (I guess since it was the first time I watched a full baseball season) That day made me feel so happy for a long time :) I might just buy the 2009 Yankees Film :D

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      That movie’s definitely worth buying. It’s great.

  • Mark

    Jon Morosi

    #BlueJays acquire Miguel Olivo from #Rockies for PTBNL or cash

    So on to John Buck?

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I’d love John Buck but I think he will be too expensive, and looking for more playing time than the Yankees will give. Also, his career OBP is hideous. He’s clearly improved over the past two years but look at his stats before that, not pretty.

      • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

        If he’s cheap (not likely) I’d like him, though like you said his bat is nothing special. He can hit homers, and he actually mashes lefties (Can you believe he has a .409/.411/.705 line against LHP in 88 ABs last year? I mean wow) but his defense really is nothing special.

    • CP

      The Yankees don’t need a catcher, so no.

      • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

        Yes, they do, unless you enjoy watching Cervelli catch games for some god unknown reason.

        • CP

          They have Montero and Posada. Cervelli can (and should) catch for the few remaining games. There’s not reason to spend more then $500k on a third catcher.

  • Esteban

    Reason # 3,487 that Colin Cowherd is an idiot: He said John Wall will never win a championship because he did the dougie dance.

    http://deadspin.com/5681694/co.....ompaniment

    • Jack

      Do people actually listen to Colin Cowherd?

  • Mike HC

    14 of 19 for three? Nobody was beating us tonight.

  • Esteban

    The 3s are ridiculous

  • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

    OLIVO I BARELY KNEW YOU :(

    • bonestock94

      Weird move, you have to think the jays are gonna trade a catcher now.

      • FIPster Doofus

        I’d take Molina back. He threw out 44 percent of base runners last season.

        • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

          You’d have to trade for him, the Jays picked up his option already.

          • FIPster Doofus

            I know. It’s unfortunate that Toronto is hogging the good defensive catchers.

        • bonestock94

          I’d love that, gimme good defense and no bat over Cervelli any day.

      • bonestock94

        Random guess, they flip JP Arencibia for someone better than him.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      I really really hate Anthopoulos and hope his moves eventually blow up in his face. It’s to the point where he makes Epstein look like a bad GM.

      • CP

        Theo didn’t really get too much for his $163M this year.

    • JerseyDutch

      I think we’ll do fine with the Posada/Montero/Cervelli combo. No use over thinking things…

  • yankees1717

    fantasy football question

    pick two out of these three
    fred jackson vs. chi
    santonio holmes @ det
    jonathan stewart vs. NO (assuming deangelo is out)

    now, you might look at this and say my team stinks, but i’m just injured plagued and scrambling for replacements. i’m actually 5-3, i just have percy harvin and deangelo williams injured

    • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

      You really can’t find a better RB than Fred Jackson? I mean I know he’s the main back but… it’s Buffalo. Green-Ellis taken?

      • yankees1717

        don’t think you understand the situation i’m in here. the best free agent running back available is WILLIS MCGAHEE. yeah. i’m in a bad situation. fortunately the rest of my team is great and i normally would have a great full lineup if not for injuries.

    • Reggie C.

      Working with what you got …

      Holmes. He’s got another week of practice with Sanchez. I think he’ll get more balls thrown his way, though the Jets offense as a whole is likely going to emphasize the run. Holmes however is the best receiver in the lot. Braylon’s hands FAILED him last week.

      Jackson. Call me a sucker but why do i get the feeling that Stewart is headed to another 15 yard day? Oh yeah…NO is going to jump all over the panthers. BUF is going to win one, and the Bears look shaky.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Two problems with Fred Jackson: 1. He’s facing a top-notch rushing defense. 2. He has never been a touchdown producer, which is obviously how you make hay in fantasy football.

        • Reggie C.

          I’ve regularly played CHI defense these past 4/5 weeks, and yeah, that defense is one of the better ones. But CHI as a whole hasnt been playing very well. Not sure how they’re going to respond coming off a bye against a hungry BUF team.

          I hear you though. Fred Jackson isnt likely going to contribute more than 50 yds. However, the way NO defense played against Pittsburgh was damn impressive. IMO, Stewart’s matchup is tougher.

          • FIPster Doofus

            It’s definitely within the realm of possibility for Jackson to play well this week. He’s a good back and his carries have increased of late (two consecutive games of 20-plus carries).

  • JobaWockeeZ

    I expect my paycheck Dave Cameron for copying my train of thought.

    That’s one of the reasons I expect that their offer will be significantly more than the 5 years, $105 million that the crowd estimated Lee would sign for yesterday.

    For the Yankees, this winter is basically Cliff Lee or bust. Expect to see an offer that reflects that mentality.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....nt-1284296

    Yes for clarification before someone thinks I’m serious…I’m not.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....cliff-lee/

  • Andrew

    that was literally the funniest video ive ever watched in my entire life. Thank you RAB for making my day so much better

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    Toronto could go fuck off, seriously.

    • candyforstalin

      really. how many picks can one want?

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      Hope they all accept arbitration