Open Thread: The night before the turkey
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For better or worse, Derek Jeter has dominated the Yankee headlines over the past few days, and he has broken the fanbase into two groups. Some feel Jeter is an aging short stop asking for too much; others feel the Yanks should pay their captain what he wants. Either way, Derek probably isn’t going anywhere, but this one won’t be resolved any time soon.
To, um, commemorate the goings-on, long-time RAB reader Tyler Wilkinson sent us the graphic you see here. Interpret it as you will, and check out more from Tyler on Twitter. It might make for interesting discussions during the Hot Stove League, but I think we’ll feel better when Jeter and the Yanks agree to terms.
Anyway, here’s your open thread for the evening. In local action, the Nets visit the Celtics, and the Knicks wrap up a home-and-home set against the Bobcats in Charlotte. On the ice, the Blue Jackets visit the Islanders while the Devils host the Flames and the Rangers are in Tampa Bay to face the Lightning. If you’re with family tonight, enjoy the start of the holiday. We’ll be here all weekend.
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Landry Fields is the best thing to happen to the Knicks since Patrick Ewing. And I don’t even think that is an exaggeration (maybe).
He’s a good rotation player. Sean Battier-esque.
Not a bad comparison. That is pretty good though and he may be better than that. Maybe it is just a hot start though.
And that should be Shane Battier
Agree that he’s been very good, but its been 14 games, we might want to wait a little while before assessing his impact on the franchise.
Yea, when you are Knicks fan these days, it is easy to get carried away with the smallest of victories.
Channing Frye started quite impressively for the Knicks as well. Fifteen games is still just a teacup of experience.
I hate Thanksgiving food.
I am a bad American.
I don’t even know why I started working out again because I know I’m gonna pig out tomorrow.
Meh, do it now so you don’t have to later?
Eh, I’m looking to stay in shape throughout the winter so I don’t look like crap during baseball tryouts in the spring.
Advice: light lifting and running, focus on strengthening your arm and do a TON of dry swinging.
And intensify the running as time passes.
This. Work on conditioning like Matt said, and work out your core muscles. If your core muscles are strong, your swing will be stronger and more compact because your body will be more stabilized.
Wrists and shoulders
If you run, sprint. Going for a run is counterproductive to the skills needed to play baseball.
Run like 30 miles a day and you should be ready for spring.
not bad. Just weird.
I’m not a big fan either. Stuffing is Thanksgiving’s saving grace.
stuffing and mashed potatoes and mushrooms FTW. Turkey… depends on how it’s made.
We always eat ham and steak. Screw tradition.
My father-in-law insists on making the turkey AND the ham. He smokes them… no one complains. Two meats are better than one.
TWSS
I love a well-cooked Thanksgiving meal. However, dry turkey, greasy gravy, bland potatoes, soggy vegetables give the holiday a bad rap.
I always take like one piece of turkey, half a plate of mashed potatoes and then a couple of other things. But it’s all about the taters.
Here’s the Jeter graphic link I anyone wants it. I found that picture and thought he looked baffled. http://bitURL.net/at7j
Thanks everyone.
I think we should get used to seeing things like this until he signs. People want people to read their stuff so they’ll write whatever it takes.
Over/Under: 30.5 points for The Kemba Walker tonight.
Over baby. Taking it until he proves me wrong.
Early predictions on John Sterling’s, Jesus Montero home run call.
He’ll play it safe and stay away from the Jesus angle. He’ll try to do something with Montero. No clue what he’ll go with though.
His mind works in mysterious ways – who predicted “you’re something sort of GRANDish” for Curtis?
So you don’t think he’ll do something like, it is high, it is far, it is… GONE
Jesus Christ!
I’ve been kicking this idea around for awhile:
I wish a team would hire an alternate broadcast crew to cover games. Instead of the usual garbage these guys spout, it would be two entertaining people – funny, knowledgeable, and able to speak to a pg-13/R audience.
Kind of like watching a game with your most knowledgeable and funny friends. I would absolutely check that out every game.
It would probably happen in football first. Or maybe hockey because they’re desparate.
Yeah, put it on Sirius radio and let em curse and all. I like it.
Send it to the Yanks and Sirius. There’s money in it for both of them.
I love watching football with my friends, because we make fun of everyone. Our favorite target is Roethlisberger, mostly because he is a total piece of shit as a person. As far as baseball, I am the most knowledgeable, which is weird since I only have a cursory knowledge of baseball stats and teams not in the AL East. But it’s still fun to watch baseball games with them.
However, I love your idea of a knowledgeable PG-13/R broadcast crew. Like someone that’ll say “That was a fuckin’ bomb 450 feet to centerfield there.” during a reply of an A-Rod home run.
Exactly. Brilliant, right?
Monty Burns that pitch for a 3 run shot!
“And he went the full Monty!”
http://instantcrickets.com
“Nobody f%$#s with the Jesus!”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IONyLZn0pLI (NSFW)
I just might starting listening to them again if he did that
Jesus has come! And now the ball’s goneeeeee!
Sweet Jesus, it’s outtaaaaaa hereeeee!
Jesus, Jesus! (pronounced: Gee-sus, hey-zeus!)
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I just want to know what Girardi will nickname him. Jeezy, Heysy, Monty?
Terry
Betty
He has risen!
No pressure there. LOL
Kind of like Matt Weiters’ college teammates calling him “God” because he was so incredible.
We have god pitching in the 9th and throwing to Jesus.
You think this is coincidence?
as long as Jesus doesn’t listen to Jorge when he tells him to put his hands in the holy water
How about a divine blast by Heysoos!
Or “Montero provides Divine intervention, and the Yankees take a one nothing lead”.
Probably “Montero mashes one” or something along those lines.
It is high, it is far, it is…GONE! The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
Too long?
In the name of the father, and of the son, and of the HOLY JESUS THAT BALL IS OUT OF HERE!
This whole Jeter thing is bringing out levels of stupidity in people that I didn’t even think possible.
It’s impossible to argue or reason with some people now.
Half are on Jeter’s side, half are on Cashman’s side, and they both look like idiots.
Sooooo Jose Reyes is on the market and it looks like the Mets want quantity over quality. I don’t think the Yankees should get him with his health risks and lack of OBP, but he could cut in to Jeter’s market now that he’s no longer the only quality shortstop available.
I don’t know. If the Mets really are gonna take quantity over quality we have a ton to give them. From Nova, Noesi, Laird, Warren, Phelps even Romine. If I could get Reyes for three of those guys and a killer B I do it in a heartbeat.
The Angels should make a run, he’d fit perfectly with them.
Disagree, Reyes is actually a good hitter.
Back page of todays Daily News……. classic!!!! Cashman pictured as a chicken. Check it out.
The Jeter situation is getting dumb, it’s like the Revis situation except this time ownership is the one being reasonable. Stop negotiating through the media, apologize for the stupid things that were said and work this thing out. Both sides need each other, work things out and reserve the Canyon of Heroes for the third weekend in November.
Contract/Years: Should not be in the press until they are settled
Went to media: Yankees
“Reasonable”: No one
Well the Jets somehow thought that they could still be Super Bowl Contenders without a top 20 player in the NFL. The Yankees think Jeter should be overpaid, because he’s Derek Jeter, but still think that his salary has to leave room to acquire other free agents capable of elite production, like Cliff Lee.
So settle that in PRIVATE negotiations. They’re trying to apply pressure and force his price down by going public before they ever even formally contacted his agent. The idea that the Yankees have been anything but unprofessional in these dealings is ridiculous.
Yeah, they’re behaving like idiots in public. I think the offer of 3/45 works out well for both parties and the Yankees are being reasonable in that respect, however the way they’re going about in public is fucking stupid.
Yeah, no one’s being reasonable. Offering Jeter a 3/45 is not reasonable, considering his probable future performance and age, not to mention the non-existent market for his services.
Vince Gerrano said that Jeter’s worth about an extra 15-25M over three seasons to the Yankees because of marketing value and his history, combined with about 20-35M of on field value 3/45 is a pretty reasonable offer.
Where is Gerrano getting that figure from? I’d wager that Jeter gets more out of being on the Yankees than the Yankees get out of having Jeter.
Also: if Jeter is worth so much to his team, why aren’t teams falling over themselves to try and sign him since he’d boost their marketing value and what not? If that stuff is strictly tied to the Yankees, that tells me that the Yankee name/brand is bigger and more important than the Jeter name/brand.
Well thing about what you said one more time, it’s tied to the Yankee fan base. Baseball doesn’t have a LeBron James, a player that any fan base wants to see regardless of what team he plays for a player that people follow from team to team. His value is tied to the Yankees, Yankee fans have an attachment too him whether you see it or not.
Right, so his marketing value is overrated because it’s, apparently, not transferable. If it was, you’d probably see more teams desperate for marketability and an increase in fan interest making a run at Jeter. We’re not seeing that, though. I think the Jeter Camp is in danger of overplaying that hand.
Jeter’s marketability is pretty set in stone though. His legacy will be the same whether he plays out the last 3-4 years of his career on the Yanks or on another team. History is littered with legends who have done this. In fact, if Jeter does go to another team, it could actually increase his marketability options because it adds an entire other city, uniforms, merchandise, hype etc … for another franchise and the Yankee fans and NYC will always be waiting for him. The guy will be an attraction for a new team.
Of course that does not take away from the fact that the Yanks pretty clearly have made the best offer by a considerable margin and seem to willing to go a bit higher in money.
You’re either missing the point completely or being purposefully obtuse. Jeter has marketability to the Yankees, them more than any other team. No player in baseball has the ability to “shake” the Yankee label. Reggie Jacson played four years for the Yankees and seven or so with the As, yet he’s still viewed as a Yankee. The Yankees are bigger than their individual stars, yes, that is true. That isn’t to say that the Yankees can’t make profit off of their stars either. Jeter is a top 50 player of all time and those guys just don’t grow on trees. There’s a lot of marketability tied in him because of who he is. He’s clearly the face of the franchise, and those who think otherwise are misguided. Because he’s the face of the franchise and approaching a huge milestone and has a chance to place very high in the record books the Yankees stand to make quite a bit of money off of this. Stop pretending like it’s some nameless player that’s providing Jeter’s production. He has tangible value off the field as well.
Well of course Jeter gets more from being on the Yankees, but that’s not to say that the Yankees’ coffers don’t benefit from Jeter. The Yankees provide marketing opportunities galore, but New York is an incredibly expensive city too (a dynamic were seeing in the Cliff Lee negotiations) so that diminishes the marketing ability of a player in The City. However, people buy Jeter jersey, shirts, bobbleheads, and more at Stadium stores and other Yankee official stores. Fifteen million dollars worth a year? No, but there are fans who do come out and like to watch the old guard in their last days. I can assure you that we will see a rise in ratings and ticket sales as Jeter approaches 3,000 and every one he passes after that. He needs 3515 hits to pass Spokes for 5th all time, the fact that he did it all with the Yankees provides several marketing opportunities that come with players making historic accomplishments.
On another note, I think Jeter’s on field contributions are getting underrated here. While he had a down year, he is an all time great far better than every non-A-Rod middle infielder many of us have seen. People are expecting AJ to get better, why not Jeter? I’d put money on an all time great improving over an oft injured pitcher with a history of control problems. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jeter provides above average production over the life of his three year deal.
Well of course Jeter gets more from being on the Yankees, but that’s not to say that the Yankees’ coffers don’t benefit from Jeter. The Yankees provide marketing opportunities galore, but New York is an incredibly expensive city too (a dynamic were seeing in the Cliff Lee negotiations) so that diminishes the marketing ability of a player in The City. However, people buy Jeter jersey, shirts, bobbleheads, and more at Stadium stores and other Yankee official stores. Fifteen million dollars worth a year? No, but there are fans who do come out and like to watch the old guard in their last days. I can assure you that we will see a rise in ratings and ticket sales as Jeter approaches 3,000 and every one he passes after that. He needs 3515 hits to pass Spokes for 5th all time, the fact that he did it all with the Yankees provides several marketing opportunities that come with players making historic accomplishments.
This still isn’t telling me where Gerrano got that figure, and nothing in here is really concrete.
On another note, I think Jeter’s on field contributions are getting underrated here. While he had a down year, he is an all time great far better than every non-A-Rod middle infielder many of us have seen. People are expecting AJ to get better, why not Jeter? I’d put money on an all time great improving over an oft injured pitcher with a history of control problems. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jeter provides above average production over the life of his three year deal.
I definitely think he’ll improve off of last year, simply because it was so bad (for him, at least). I don’t know if he can hit his career averages again, but he can definitely improve. His position helps him in terms of offense, though, and that’s definitely worth noting.
Where did he get them? It was an estimate, he’s a marketing expert in baseball…I’m sure most of his stuff is “secret sauce.”
I made no comment about the appropriateness of 3/45.
I was riffing on the reasonable part. I think, frankly, both sides have been at least a little bit reasonable. Jeter’s being semi-reasonable by wanting as much money as he can get–everyone should do that. And the Yankees are being semi-reasonable by offering a contract that no one else will offer Jeter.
The point is not that Jeter is being offerred a “good deal” or a “bad deal.” The point is that the Yankees have negotiated in bad faith and in an unprofessional manner that has diminished the franchise.
How has it diminished the franchise?
It hasn’t. I’m sure Cashman gets asked “Why haven’t you signed Jeter yet?!?!?” on an hourly basis. If he says no comment, the Wally Matthews and Mike Lupicas of the world will just fill in the blanks and destroy the front office. If it’s known that the Yankees have made Jeter an offer that far exceeds his market value, the Yankees are just covering their bases incase Jeter goes elsewhere so there isn’t a public outcry. Can you imagine how much shit the Yankees would take if there was no reports and all of a sudden he signed with a different team?
They look like dicks. It’s like turning down a date, you can do it with tact.
The difference is, this is a legitimate business negotiation. The fans tend to view it more as a relationship because they are far more emotional than the front office who actually makes multi million dollar decisions and needs to be as unemotional as possible.
When your GM, President, and two owners are insulting the face of the franchise on the back page of the NY Post every day, the franchise is being diminished.
Once Jeter finally signs, this will be a minor blip on the radar. And if Jeter does not sign, shit will hit the fan anyway, so who cares at that point.
This is how the tabloids work. No one will remember it two days after he signs.
How is it being diminished? What’s the evidence of that? It sounds like your opinion more than anything.
If Fred Wilpon were publically calling out Jose Reyes and Johan Santana in the Post every day we’d be calling them a Mickey Mouse franchise.
Saying that they’re running a business and conducting an actual baseball negotiation instead of just handing over a blank check is not calling Jeter out.
What part of leaking information to reporters and issuing thinly veiled attacks on players is a negotiation? Do you know what that word means?
What’s the thinly veiled attack? Saying they’re not going to pay him simply because his name is Derek Jeter? They’re running a business, not an MLB 2010 Franchise with play money.
They’ve been calling him old and washed up in various media spots for two weeks. They’ve gained nothing from it but ink and animosity. Cutting WWE-style promos on WFAN isn’t affecting the final contract.
What are you talking about? They never ever ever called him old and washed up, at least not publicly. You’re making shit up to fit your narrative.
Mike, “thinly veiled” means thinly veiled. That obviously wasn’t a direct quote.
I know what thinly veiled means, the problem is that no one on the Yankees side has said anything about his performance publicly.
I didn’t know “negotiating” was so awful. If this was anyone but Jeter, we’d call this normal negotiating. And, if they weren’t doing this, everyone would be saying they weren’t being firm enough. The Yankees FO gets killed when it overshoots and overpays, then gets killed when it actually runs a real baseball negotiation. Catch-22, for the loss.
Negotiations take place between Brian Cashman and Casey Close, not Randy Levine, Hal, Hank, Cashman, Mike Francesa, Mike Lupica, Joel Sherman, Bill Madden, Jon Heyman, Michael Kay, Wally Matthews, and Casey Close.
You don’t negotiate a contract through the media. You execute a calculated PR strategy.
Isn’t Close doing the exact same thing by publicly saying the strategy being employed by the Yankees is “baffling”?
I haven’t heard a word from Close or Jeter about money for 16 years, and i didn’t hear anything this year until the Yankees rolled out their media team, unprompted, two weeks ago. You think this was all a coincidence?
I don’t know how old you are, but Jeter fought the Yankees for every penny before signing his 10yr deal. Took them to arb for record setting salaries twice. Why would he complain when he’s been one of the five highest paid players in baseball for the last decade?
Why wouldn’t a player present himself well in an arbitration hearing? That’s another example of a PRIVATE negotiation. What the hell kind of comparison is that?
Jeter and the Yankees negotiated TWO long term contracts in the early 2000s without any of this BS, probably because George’s two insecure sons weren’t involved yet.
while I agree this doesn’t have to go to the media, on either side, no one is gonna remember this shit in Spring Training
So what is your stance, or argument here exactly? That we should not believe what we are hearing in the press because it is coming almost all from the Yanks, and assume that Jeter really does realize his true value? You have been commenting a lot on the situation, but I’m still not exactly sure what you are saying.
Hughesus hates anyone who makes decisions for the Yankees. His stance is “anti-any of those people”.
Regardless of the final terms, this “got messy” because the Yankees started rolling out a PR strategy two weeks ago. If there are no other suitors, the number will end up at/near whatever the Yankees initially offer whether Jeter/Close anticipated that or not. Media leaks and media cock-measuring is below the team and the player. It has absolutely no positive place in the matter. I have no fucking clue what they’re thinking. My position has NOTHING to do with what Jeter “deserves” and everything to do with the process.
Is that simple enough?
Yes. I agree that I would not have handled it like the Yankees did, but at the same time, I realize that I am a fan, and not the one actually paying the money or making the 45+ million dollar decision. If the Yanks feel like they want to tell it like it is, and not sugarcoat it, I can’t really blame them all that much.
Tell it like it is to what end? What are they gaining? The money and years aren’t changing based on this bullshit. That’s the part that’s missing.
It’s coming off like a franchise-wide midlife crisis.
The money and years could very well change if Jeter does try to test open waters and realizes tehre is very little out there.
The only thing I’m sure about is that it won’t be 3/45. Another reason not to leak shit to the media.
haha, I agree that neither side is coming off that great in the moment. But this is the new Steinbrenner era. Shades of George, but not quite, and probably with terrible timing.
I’m not going to defend the decision to state their case in the media, just that telling the truth to the fans, who can’t be ignored in this situation, is not such an unforgivable thing.
It was Jeter’s agent who took it public, calling the Yankees stance “baffling”. Not the Yankees.
There are these things called “facts” that you should look into between the relentless posting of anti-Jeter rhetroic.
3/45, “could get messy,” “this is a baseball negotiation,” etc. was in the media before anything Casey Close said. This is a combination of targeted media leaks from within the organization and thinly veiled statements as to “wild demands” that may or may not have been made privately (though all indications are that the two sides made no formal contact until this week)
There are these things called “facts” that you should look into between the relentless posting of anti-Jeter rhetroic.
Funny, I’ve never seen you let a “fact” get between you and your anti-Girardi rhetoric.
What are you talking about. I heard Hal and Cashman say on the radio “There’s always a chance it could get ugly” AFTER saying their desire is to bring Jeter back and that they fully expect negotiations to go smoothly.
I wish the people I negotiate with would give me 100% more than I can get anywhere else.
You’re lost.
If you are really this gullible, you might want to look into avoiding all forms of electronic media before you end up getting scammed by Cash4Gold or a Nigerian prince soemwhere.
What??
Anyway, If I were advising Jeter I’d tell him to grab the deal and avoid getting DAMONed.
You seem to think that stating one sentence magically cancels another sentence stated seconds later, regardless of content.
Like when a political ad comes on and tells you that Senator Kelly wants to kill your grandma with his healthcare reform bill, and then there’s a notice that it was paid for by Makeitrain Pharamceuticals. Clause two became irrelevant because clause one came first. Get it? You shouldn’t.
So you’re suggesting that this whole thing is a tactic contrived by the Yankee FO to get Jeter to sign for less than he’s asking.
Well guess what? This whole thing wouldn’t be an issue if Jeter wasn’t a “dick” and just accepted his well above market-value offer.
Guess what? Being dicks isn’t changing anything that happens in the room when Casey Close gets there. There either are comparable offers elsewhere or there aren’t.
It actually kind of seems like they’re looking for a way to not bring him back at all, but don’t have the balls to just say it.
It actually kind of seems like they’re looking for a way to not bring him back at all, but don’t have the balls to just say it.
They offered him a well above market value deal and there are signs that they’ll be willing to increase it.
They offerred Torre a contract too.
They offerred Torre a contract too.
You do the “different situations” thing for everything, so… yeah. This really is a different situation though, why the heck would they want to get rid of Jeter? There aren’t any other quality shortstops available.
Contract/Years: Should not be in the press until they are settled
Except they are. All the time. For everyone. I don’t think the other comments to the media were at all necessary and it’s just making the Yankees look bad, but I mean… should the As be ashamed that their 5/$62 deal for Beltre was out there?
Wasn’t it pretty public after 2008 that Pettitte wanted more from the Yankees than they were willing to give?
Yeah, there was a lot of squabbling between the Yankees and Pettitte’s camp after the 2008 season, IIRC. That turned out pretty okay.
5/62 was in the media to appease the fans who are tired of the As being cheapasses. 3/45 is in the media because the Yankees are trying to pressure Jeter into signing on their terms rather than negotiating with him. If there aren’t any other suitors the result will be the same either way, so as stated above, they’re just being dicks.
Yes, offering a waaaaay above market value contract that NO OTHER TEAM WILL MATCH is sooooo dickish.
Anyone else get the privilege of working on Thanksgiving?
Law Student, working on CivPro after dinner tomorrow. Worse than working.
I won’t, but my cousin will be, which sucks ’cause I haven’t seen her in months.
Nope
My first real break since August
Nope, but my team did bitch about having to come in for four hours today to do nothing and get paid for the rest of the week off. This was an alternative to working all day today and all day friday to get a paid day off for tomorrow. I thought I was being reasonable. I guess not, haha…
I wasn’t looking for people who aren’t working, but thanks for rubbing it in. I also get to work Christmas and New Year’s. Old people need their newspapers I guess.
If it’s any consolation, I think next year I have to work all the holidays
Since Sterling stuck to Spanish in his HR call for the Venezuelan Bobby Abreu I would suggest he go with:
Montero es dinero!
Is that the Derek Cheater pic up above?
No, that was in an away game.
Also he was bunting in that at bat.
True and true. Not one of the Captain’s better moments-in the eyes of non-Yankee fans everywhere.
Yea, but as a Yankee fan, I cheered him on like it was no ones business. It happens in the game all the time, in fact I am convinced it happened with Frenchy in that game where Mo hit him for the walk off HBP. No one even questioned that one though. I remember it happening in the playoffs too but forget who did it, of course that didn’t make it in a news paper. Just shows how badly they want dirt on Jeter, they’re having the time of their lives with this contract negotiation.
I really hope that Jeter signs soon because I am sick of all this contract talk. Its like listening to the radio and hearing 5 Lady Gaga songs in a row.
You know what’s worse than Lady Gaga?
Taylor Swift.
So, so, so, so, so, so, so (etc) much worse.
Miley Cyrus.
Lady Gaga’s actually a talented artist who has a strong understanding of rhythms, melody, and harmony. Taylor Swift is a chick with a funny looking face and a decent-ish voice.
There is nothing worse than Lady Gaga.
HC
Have no idea where to respond in that jumble up there, so am just going to do it here.
You are making a lot of assumptions about these negotiations without a lot of facts or context about what is really going on.
First you are assuming that the Yankees are the ones who leaked the initial offer. It may seem that way, but it is not entirely clear. I believe Heyman is the one who initially scooped that 3/45 was the offer. The problem if it was Heyman is that teams do not typically go through national writers with their leaks. Local beat reporters are the ones fed info from teams. National writers get their information from agents, MLB, and the players union. You are also not looking deep enough into what is coming from Jeter’s side. Derek Jeter himself is never going to come out and say anything. However anything said by his agent or someone close to Jeter, is coming from him. It is not just Close using the media. Jeter’s trainer has spoken out as well and don’t believe for a second that wasn’t orchestrated by Derek’s team. Jeter’s anonymous friend Heyman quoted is a little more murky to pinpoint on Jeter, but it could very well and maybe even likely come from him. Don’t be fooled, because if you are then you are just falling for Close’s strategy hook, line, and sinker.
Second, you are either not applying or do not know the proper context for most of this information. For example, while Hal said these negotiations could get messy that was initially in response to Kay using the word messy. In today’s twitter media you can’t fall for the sensationalism of these one liners. You need to dig deeper into the context to really understand what is going on and the intention of the parties. You also are not aware of the context of what is going on behind closed doors. That is the main part of these negotiations and something said behind closed doors could very well lead to something said in the media to get the proper message across in response. It is hard to draw these type of conclusions on these things without that information and just picking up on the one liners the media is selling.
Finally, you are just be naive if you don’t think the media is part of these negotiations in today’s world. It is just the way it is and that is how sports negotiations are conducted. Like it or not doesn’t change a thing, because it is nearly impossible to keep the media out of these things nowadays.
Don’t get yourself too caught up in the back and forth. It is just talk and not worth concerning yourself with. At the end of the day the Yankees will budge a bit of their 3/45 offer, but not completely cede to Jeter’s demands. The Yankees will look good being a bit flexible on their offer and giving him some more money. Jeter will look good taking a “fair” offer. And all this talk, like it ALWAYS is, will be forgotten a couple weeks after the contract is signed.
I think you make a lot of great points here, but there are a lot of people here picking a side and choosing to believe everything they hear one way or the other. All are probably wrong, me included.
Finally, you are just be naive if you don’t think the media is part of these negotiations in today’s world. It is just the way it is and that is how sports negotiations are conducted. Like it or not doesn’t change a thing, because it is nearly impossible to keep the media out of these things nowadays.
Oh so much this. With the amount of media today, EVERYTHING is public. Everything.
Very well said.
ugh, JINX
Well put
Very well said.
When DJ retires in a few years, what will people look back on – the 2010 contract negotiations, or the massive, HOF career that he enjoyed?
…Same with A-Rod…
Like I said, no one will remember this shit by Spring Training (and likely, like, 3 days after he signs).
Whew, good job pulling that one Knicks. Amare is (obviously) an improvement over Lee.
I don’t care about basketball, and got really confused for a second, because there’s no pitcher named Amare that I know of.
Arthur Rhodes for teh pen? He was not offered arb by Cinci
Too old for me, pass.
I wonder what David Justice would think about that..
Nah, the man is as old as Mo.
Sofia Vergara.
Rawr.
+1
How fucking ninja would it be to trade for Jose Reyes and bid this DJ nonsense adieu. The man is ten years younger and though he’s only signed for one more year, I think the Yanks would win a bidding war for Reyes afterwards should Reyes show a return to 2008 form.
I think a package of Joba Chamberlain, Eduardo Nunez, Ivan Nova, and A. Romine would suffice.
Reyes is made of glass these days, no thanks.
The Mets would have to be pretty stupid to take that. They’re not even getting a top 5 talent from the system. Like Bex said, Reyes has not proven he can play everyday. He might have more power, speed, and be a better fielder than Jeter, but he doesn’t have the plate discipline. I wouldn’t take a gamble on him with his health when you know Jeter will probably play everyday.
Yeah, all of this too. They’re not even getting a quality SS back in return, why would they do that? I mean, I guess I’d do that for what we’d give up. I just don’t want to count on Reyes to stay healthy/be on the field.
Reyes doesn’t have to BE derek jeter. Nobody should hold Reyes up as a replacement to what Dj has brought the past decade plus. Reyes probably wont bat leadoff, but he could go anywhere else. HOWEVER, Reyes still has promise to re-capture a form that could catapult him back into the elite SS category.
Reyes still managed to play 130 games last season. Another ten games and perhaps nobody would be bringing up the health issue. I believe Reyes can still manage his health in a way to get on the field 140 games. There’s tremendous value Reyes can still provide.
Missing 30 games is a big deal. He only played 36 games in 2009 as well. You may not compare him to DJ, but most Yankees fans will. I know when theres a big clutch situation and he grounds out or strikes out, I’m gonna think about how damn awesome Jeter was. If both players repeated what they did in 2010 in 2011, I’d prefer taking Jeter’s 2010 to Reyes’ 2010 and sparing our farm system.
When your primarily tool is speed, and you’ve had hamstring problems, you will always be considered a health risk.
I think the Yanks def have the pieces to get Reyes but you could see the Mets being very reluctant to trade him to us. The last thing they need is they’re homegrown Reyes winning championships in the Bronx for the next ten years.
Yea, Omar Minaya wouldv’e taken that package
Okay. The package is light. I can dig that.
How about this upgrade: Chamberlain, Betances, D. Adams, and Austin Romine. Much more decent in terms of hitting. I’m not above adding a 5th piece, but that’ll require too much thinking and i’d want the Alderson to add a player. There’s also the matter of Reyes being on a one-year deal.
No. I’d still rather have Jeter for just money.
I’d rather see the money spent wiser. Reyes is a couple years away from turning 30. I dont see why he couldn’t have at least another 2008-like season at the bandbox known as YS.
Reyes isn’t a loft-swing hitter, though. He doesn’t get extra bases from homers or long fly balls, but from gapping the ball. It’s hard to do that at YS3, esp. if you’re batting on the left side, which he’d be doing most of the time.
Reyes is probably a better bet than Jeter going forward, but not at the price you just quoted.
Is anyone else rooting for an Auburn loss so TCU or Boise can get into the BCS championship game? I want them to bring down the system so bad because its ridiculous.
Kinda. It’s hilarious to listen to every college football fan go insane every time the Broncos win. They are unbelievable.
Can you explain to a person who has only a passing knowledge of football what exactly is wrong with this BCS thingy? I hear lots of rage about it. Are the standing funky? Is it some kind of stupid algorithm?
Is it some kind of stupid algorithm?
Pretty much.
Basically, instead of a playoff system to crown a champion like every other sport in world basically (I’m sure there are exceptions), college football has a system where a computer picks the two best teams based on regular season results that takes into account human polls and a statistical formula. Then every other team but those two play a random, meaningless other than bragging rights game. That is the BCS.
Is it feasible to throw the BCS by voting for a terrible team?
Yes, but the computer takes two human polls and a separate statistical formula to pick the top two teams, so it likely would not be able to make a difference if one or two people decided to vote like assholes.
Is it some kind of stupid algorithm?
This, all sorts of this.
i know yall will be watching my Texas A&M Aggies pound the Longhorns on national tv tomorrow evening
69 Mets > 04 Sox. Are they both overrated? Yeah, but one way more than the other.
1969 Mets played 10 full games above their Pythag record and were on the bottom half of the league in BA/OBP/SLG/OPS, though they were dirty on the mound.
2004 Sox played exactly to Pythag record and were 2/1/1/1 in QuadSlash while also around the top in pitching.
The 2004 Sox probably would’ve beat the 1969 Mets relatively easily.
This is no way to treat your captain. I don’t care how much Jeter wants, just give it to him. He’s definitely earned it over the years and you don’t just force your captain to test the open market. George must be rolling in his grave.
just give it to him.
Awful, awful way to run a baseball team.
Huh?
Jeter isn’t necessarily being forced to test the open market. It’s his option to do so. The Yankees made their offer, it’s certainly not their final offer by any means, but they’ve made it more than clear that they want him back. Just blindly giving Jeter what he wants based on what he’s done without taking into account what he might do going forward is flat-out stupid in terms of running an organization.
I’m sure Geroge would have signed Jeter to another 10 year deal right noe ESPEICALLY with Jeter having the best season of his career.
Jeff Van Gundy just said that he’d ignore every “respect the game rule” in the book. I love that man.
JVG is the man, love him as a commentator. Very knowledgeable and self deprecating. He always makes me laugh.
Yup to both comments. Big fan of his as a coach and a commentator.
For anyone that actually cares the John Sickel’s sb nation blog is having a community prospect list and is voting Jesus or Brown for the 3rd best positional prospect.
http://www.minorleagueball.com.....t-3-runoff
I recommend voting, reading the content but missing the comments in general.
So far its
1: Mike Trout
2: Bryce Harper
I completely disagree with this. Dominic Brown and Montero should be ahead of both of them. Harper really hasn’t proven anything except for hitting in the AZFL. Trout has been amazing, and if he keeps hitting the way he is, he’ll be way better than Montero and Brown, but the furthest he’s made it is high A where he saw considerable drops in his numbers.
Arthur Rhodes an option for the Yankees’ bullpen next year?
Nevermind, type A, a ridiculous question.
Wasn’t offered arbitration, I believe, so your question isn’t that ridiculous. But I think I’d pass because I don’t bank on him replicating his 2010 success again, especially going from the NL Central to the AL East.