Yanks and Jeter inching closer but still far apart

Open Thread: We have lines
What Went Right: CC Sabathia

As the Yankees and Derek Jeter dance around their contract negotiations, a certain sense of urgency is lacking. The breaking news, as it were, concerns the twin facts that the Yanks are prepared to pay Jeter more than his play on the field and advancing age would seemingly be worth were he not Derek Jeter and that the two sides expect to sign a deal at some point this winter. How shocking.

So far, we’ve heard lots of opining about Jeter, and it comes across as noise. His free agency is a storyline this off-season because it’s the first time he’s hit the open market, but while other teams could theoretically be interested in signing Jeter, odds are good he won’t even talk to anyone other than the Yankees this winter. He wants to stay in New York, and New York wants him.

Yet, through the noise comes some key tidbits and ideas that deserve some attention. One interesting item of note that got lost behind the Newsday paywall came to us from Ken Davidoff. He writes:

Jeter’s agent Casey Close met with Cashman, Yankees president Randy Levine and managing general partner Hal Steinbrenner, earlier this week in Tampa. Indications are that the Yankees didn’t extend a formal offer to Jeter, but that the two sides are far apart – and yet they understand that they’ll find common ground, somehow. Neither side has a great alternative.

Most of Davidoff’s work this summer has gone unread because of Newsday’s business decision to hide their content, but his analysis and reporting is often spot-on. We don’t know how far apart the two sides are, but it’s safe to assume that, at this early stage, both the money and the years aren’t lining up. That’s a negotiation though, and both sides will get to the right middle point.

As the Yanks negotiation — and I’d put the deal date some time after Thanksgiving — we have heard over the last few weeks what Jeter’s deal won’t look like. Despite all indications that Jeter wants to step back from the game when his playing career ends, Joel Sherman proposed a massive post-career deal that would bridge any monetary gap. The Yanks would pay Jeter $45 million for three on-field years and include a 25-year, $75-million personal services contract as well. Sherman even found an unnamed AL executive to validate this idea. “It is a no-brainer to me that is how it should be done,” his source said. “You don’t have to give [Jeter] a fortune of money now. Both sides save face. And you keep him for life.”

Buster Olney disagrees with Sherman. He doesn’t think the Yankees are keen on writing Jeter a blank check. In an Insider-only post last week, Olney noted how the organization does not “feel obligated to pay Jeter the way that they paid [Alex] Rodriguez [in 2007]; rather, they are intent on not repeating the mistake of investing huge dollars in an aging player.” Jeter is very popular now, but the franchise and the player will both be able to move on when the time is right.

Jayson Stark further buries Sherman’s idea. He writes, “Early indications are that the Yankees aren’t interested. When Jeter’s deal gets done one of these weeks, says one baseball man who spoke with them, it will be ‘a baseball contract. Period.'”

In terms of Jeter’s post-career relationship with the team, it will be a strong one. While Ken Rosenthal wondered if the Yanks were going to squeeze their captain, Richard Sandomir presents a more nuanced view. In The Times yesterday, Sandomir explores how Jeter’s value is tied into the Yanks and how the club’s image rests, in part, with Jeter. As MLB consultant Vince Gennaro said to Sandomir, “In reality, his value as a brand-builder will grow long after his skills diminish.”

The Yankees and Jeter will close that gap soon, and Jeter will be overpaid. Some will wring their hands; others will cheer that the captain is back and handsomely rewarded. As far as the bottom line goes, both sides will walk away happy.

Photo Credit: AP Photo/Kathy Willens

Open Thread: We have lines
What Went Right: CC Sabathia
  • first time lawng time

    Stupid Question Alert:

    I’m confused. Isn’t Yankee/Steinbrenner policy to never offer contract extensions? So if that’s the case, then, unless Jeter signed a 16 year contract as a rookie, hasn’t he become a free agent at some point?

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      You’re not the first to ask that, and to clarify, the no-extensions policy isn’t ever set in stone. Steinbrenner preferred not to give young kids an extension, but that doesn’t mean he never did it. Jeter signed his 10-year deal a year before he would have been a free agent. Thus, he’s never been a free agent.

      Cano is a more recent example. He signed a long-term deal against this supposed preference against long-term deals.

      • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

        It seems like they are willing to bend the rules for guys coming up on arbitration years but not coming up on free agency. It makes sense for them to possibly get a discount on the arbitration years and achieve some cost certainty with the player.

        • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

          And the guys coming up on arbitration are usually coming up on/already in their prime, so adding years to their deals is a lesser risk than guys past their prime.

      • First time lawng time

        Okay cool. Thanks

  • James

    I think the personal service add-on to the contract is a good idea in theory, but when it comes to baseball, Jeter’s only thought is playing and wining his next ring (or three). When the time comes if these two sides want to align for something more formal in his post-playing days that will be one thing, but for now, I think Jeter is focusing on proving the critics wrong by proving that his 2010 numbers were an an outlier and not the start of a Roberto Alomar type trend.

    RAB readers might rip me, but If he signs a front loaded contract for say 4/60 (20,15,15,10) with tons of incentives written in the longer he can keep performing at a high level I would be perfectly fine with that. I know he’s 36 years old, but injuries haven’t been a major issue in his career and I believe he can rebound to hit .300 this year. Does that mean he’s going to hit .340 next year? No, but, I don’t believe he’s going to hit .240 either. At some point he’ll sit down with Kevin Long and go over what he was doing poorly mechanically and they’ll figure out an approach for slowing down the aging process in his swing.

    • OldYanksFan

      Bill James predicts: .295 .365 .410 .775 (.344 wOBA).
      OK… my guess is most of us are hoping for/expecting something like this in 2011. And maybe again in 2012. But you have to wonder what a 39 and 40 year old non-power hitting, not particularly patient Jeter will hit. But worse then that, what might his defense look like? And can you use up an important roster spot and DH a .730 OPS 2013/2014 Jeter?

      Here’s a post I made on Lohud to someone complaining about ARod’s contract:
      ARod has 613 HRs.
      He has 7 years left on his contract.
      He need another 150 HRs to pass Bonds and be the All-Time HR leader.
      If he averages 22 HRs per year, he will end up with 767 HRs.

      Just why do you think the Yankees gave him a 10 yr contract?
      ARod’s situation may literally be a ‘once in a century’ opportunity. His contract length is there for one and only one reason. An 8 year deal would mean he needs to (now) average 30 HRs/yr, something that may not happen. The 10 year deal allows for some real decline while still giving him a shot at Bonds.

      You simply can’t compare Jeter to ARod. There are no tangible similarities. The All-Time HR record might be THE singular most recognized record in sports, and Hank and Hal WANT it to be a Yankee (again). 3500 hits for Jeter will be great, but won’t be talked about in 10 years from now or 50 years from now.

      Nobody fears the production we will get from Jeter for the first 2 years. The 3rd year could be sketchy. But a forth year, taking a roster spot and $15m could really hurt.

      • MikeD

        Plus, even in decline, A-Rod can provide value. If he’s a .250/.335/.450 hitter with 25 HRs at 40, he’s a fraction of his former self, but he will still be productive enough that he could be used as a DH. He will also be generating revenue as he climbs the all-time HR list, hopefully one day passing Bonds. Not hard to see he could still be providing overall value to the Yankees, both on the field and off the field, in his latter years.

        Jeter’s skills, however, don’t translate as well. If he’s 40 and hitting .250/.335/.350 and playing lousy defense, then where does he play? The answer is he doesn’t.

        • James

          True, I agree with both of you. Now, we know he’s not signing a contract for 10 mil a year, so let’s say it’s a front loaded 4/60 with say another 30 Mil tied in incentives… this way if Jeter rebounds to better numbers he can continue to rack up the dollars based on performance and championships. We all know the Yankees have a budget, but we also know they’re willing to bend that budget under special circumstances.

          • ramez hanna

            why all that money? are the yankees afraid to lose him to another team? not happening.no body is stupid to pay a declining player(no roids history) ,37 years old ,playing very atheletic position(short stop),with few homers every year .just because he is the face of the franchise. the yankees shouldnt pay way over the market value(remember chipper jones ),beside if he performed badly while he is the face of the franchise ,people will hate him and hate the team

  • candyforstalin

    anything below 60m i’ve no problems with. anything above 70m comes with the label ‘serious reservations’.

  • Gary

    The biggest non-story of the offseason. They’ll get it done!! Yanks will overpay for Jeter, and Derek will be a Yankee.

  • TheShow3000

    I love Jeter. However if he wants a six year deal to match A-Rod’s playing time, he’s got another thing coming. Yankees are realizing that they need young blood in their line-up. And they can’t have Jeter and his declining range and hitting ability clogging up the SS position and dragging down the team offensively. He’s got to think of it from the organizational perspective and not a selfish viewpoint. Guys like Cano, Montero, Hughes and Nunez are the new era. Jeter has to stop his diva antics and respect the organization’s direction.

    • Peter

      I am not a fan of a long term deal either. But we donno if he has asked for 6 years. Lets wait before we assume that.

      Hopefully its a 3 year deal but I think it most likely will be a 4-5 year deal.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Guys like Cano, Montero, Hughes and Nunez are the new era.
      One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn’t belong.

      Jeter has to stop his diva antics and respect the organization’s direction.
      How in the world has Jeter shown any “diva antics” during any of this? You talk about the six years thing but that was Heyman talking to a random contact of his, who speculated that’s what Derek might ask for because of… nothing, really.

      • Peter

        Yeah, how did Nunez get in there.

      • Kit

        Guys like Cano, Montero, Hughes and Nunez are the new era.
        One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn’t belong.

        Is it Nunez? It’s Nunez isn’t it.

        (Also, I laughed pretty hard at this.)

      • TheShow3000

        STFU! Stop scrutinizing ideas and come up with your own dude. Nunez is a great canidate to replace Jeter. No one gives him a chance. He’s a .300 hitter with great speed and a good arm. And Jeter is notorious for being proud. He had a clause in his contract that made the Yankees pay him proportionally to A-Rod. Check it.

        • Kit

          That’s really unnecessary, man. Just explain yourself properly instead of telling people to shut the fuck up. Just to be nice. Please.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          He had a clause in his contract that made the Yankees pay him proportionally to A-Rod.

          No, he doesn’t. You just made that up.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          He’s a .300 hitter

          He hit .280 in the Majors, but that was just 53 PAs. In the Minors, he has a career….274 average (and .318 OBP). He hit .300 in exactly two seasons: in 2005 as an 18 year old in the New York Penn League, and as a 22 year old in AA in 2009.

          Eduardo Nunez: not a .300 hitter.

          Also, that clause about getting paid in proportion to Jeter? Yeah, no.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            That should be in proportion to A-rod, of course.

            It still doesn’t exist.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama


          Well that is not very nice

          Stop scrutinizing ideas and come up with your own dude.

          I’m a lady. And I scrutinize the ideas of others all the time.

          Nunez is a great canidate to replace Jeter.

          No, not really.

          No one gives him a chance.

          Didn’t BA just name him one of the top ten prospects?

          He’s a .300 hitter with great speed and a good arm.

          He’s an empty .300 hitter because he doesn’t walk much and he doesn’t hit for a lot of power. He’s fast, but he doesn’t have a great arm. Also, the minors isn’t the majors. He’s proven almost nothing in the majors.

          And Jeter is notorious for being proud.

          Like… every athlete out there, pretty much.

          He had a clause in his contract that made the Yankees pay him proportionally to A-Rod. Check it.

          So I was reading along with the rest of this comment, and what you said at least… I could understand. This, though, is just. You know. I’m just going to leave some ellipses here. …

          • whozat

            The last line made me think this was a gag…no?

          • Esteban

            That’s right numb nuts ponytail lady.

          • MattG

            I have two thoughts:

            1. I think BA ranked him ‘best arm,’ did they not?
            2. ‘Nuts numb-er’ would be a pretty good dig

            Nuñez seems like a reasonably fringy everyday SS prospect to me. He might turn into Bartlett for a year or two. If he had 2 more years experience, you really could at least consider him until he gets expensive.

            Put it this way, I think he’d make a better shortstop than Bubba Crosby would’ve been a centerfielder.

            • OldYanksFan

              Look… to get a SS with Jeter’s production is just not common. The Yankees can chase Tulo or Hanley, or just hope Nunez is a bit better then average, and put Jeter’s $20m/yr into pitching or the OF.

              The Yankees NEED to field some low priced players. They can’t pay $20m for every position. I don’t think the concept of having a few homegrown starters who are decent complimentary players is a horrible idea.

              I may be wrong, but I thought the Yankees were pretty high on Nunez. He may be trade bait or just a UIF, but I think it’s a little early to bury him.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I’m pretty sure that people who claim Jeter is showing “diva antics” have never tried to negotiate a contract in their lives. He’s not doing anything that anyone else wouldn’t and shouldn’t be doing.

      • Kit

        What exactly were the “diva antics” though. I haven’t heard of him doing or saying anything disrespectful, unless I totally missed something?

        • whozat

          Jeter not immediately signing a 1 year contract for a dollar == Jeter’s diva antics
          Yankees not immediately offering Jeter a 6/200 contract with a recurring player option for 40MM == Hal nickel-and-diming the Captian.

          • Kit

            I see. *shakes head slowly*

        • murakami

          The diva antics took place on the playground of the poster’s imagination.

      • Brian

        im always amazed the animosity some players receive from fans for signing big contracts
        the more money players get, the less money billionaire owners horde
        and doesn’t everyone want to be a highly paid employee?

      • murakami


        Make outrageous, character assassinating claim on the identity-impactless internet, just slop it out there and maybe some others who enjoy thinking the worst of people join in so weak egos can have a virtual festival to celebrate their hate for anyone who is actually good at something and actually expects to get paid for it.

    • murakami

      Jeter has never given any indication that he is selfish. You and the slew of others who shriek about this from your soap boxes bring no shred of evidence that he is selfish or a diva. Were I the psychological type, I’d say you yourself have felt overshadowed by “divas” and “selfish” people throughout your life, and project them on lamp posts and ballplayers alike.

      But I’m not the psychological type, so I’ll just stick to the facts and ask you to provide a link to support your outrage.

  • Mariano’s Pimp Hand

    Anyone have a Jeter spray chart from this year? I found one from 2009 that showed he seemed to have a lot of success that year due to where he was hitting the ball.

    I would think that if his problems were due to being older/slower that the spray chart would reflect it. My anecdotal thinking is that he pulled a lot of pitches to short that he used to drive up the middle. But I’ve learned not to trust my memory. LOL

  • Avi

    I don’t get why the Jeter negotiation has to be difficult.
    All the Yanks need to do is offer a two year $25M contract and say in seven days the offer goes down 25%.
    Jonny Damon had a $10M offer on the table last off season and ended up signing for $8M in Detroit because he passed on it. We’d hate to see the same thing happen to you Derek.
    If any team offers Jeter better than two year $25M they should be thrown out of baseball for idioticy.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Guess what? The Yankees are getting thrown out of baseball for “idioticy.”

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS
      • Avi

        Comment on the topic. Do you agree/disagree with the comment? No one cares that you pick up on a stupid typo

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Disagree strongly. The Johnny Damon negotiations have less than nothing to do with the Derek Jeter negotiations. I don’t get why the Jeter negotiation has to be difficult either (and I don’t think it is or will be), but a surefire way to make it difficult would be to do what you suggest. Hence the irony of misspelling the word idiocy.

          • Avi

            I think outbidding yourself and overpaying him would be idiotic and doing what I suggested would be the prudent thing to do.

            • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

              Are you suggesting paying him $25 million per year or $12.5 million per year? I can’t tell. If it’s the latter, aren’t you urging the Yanks to both outbid and overpay?

              • Avi

                Yes but slighty, and MUCH less than people are speculating.
                The 3,000 hits and his personal fan base are worth at least something. But I’d have no problem if the offer was say 8 or 9M. They still would likely end up with him at that number

                • MikeD

                  That’s not correct. The only way that would happen is if Jeter decided to take a below-market contract to stay with the Yankees. If other MLB teams thought Jeter could be had for a three-year $30 million contract, they would be stepping up. No one is going to step up because they know both Jeter and the Yankees want each other.

                  You’re not correctly calculating the value team’s put in revenue. Actually, I don’t think you’re calculating it at all. Jeter is still the most recognized name in baseball and carries the highest popularity and recognition factor in baseball, according to the boys and girls on Madison Ave. If he signs with another team, he will increase their ticket sales up front. That’s a given. Someone like Marco Scutaro will not. So even if they produce the same on the field, Jeter is worth far more. Not to mention, Jeter has shown he can be an impact hitter. Scutaro has not. So Jeter is worth a lot more than Scutaro. And what I mean by that is Jeter is a lifetime .315 hitter. He had an off year, that is probably age related, but we just don’t know. What we know is has the ability to be an impact player. Certainly Scutaro does not. Because of that, he will be offered more money. Yet no one will be offering him a contract because he’s not leaving, so what you’re suggesting is the Yankees use that to their advantage to screw over Derek Jeter, and when you go down that road, that’s exactly how negotiations fall apart. So the Yankees are only bidding against themselves as long as Jeter doesn’t decide to truly put himself on the market. He’s not. Their is good faith on both sides here.

                  FanGraphs had Jeter ranked the third-best SS in the AL last year with a 2.5 WAR, producing just about $10 million in value. (Although, personally, I have a problem with their Value generator since an extra win to the Yankees is worth more than an extra win to the Pirates, but it’s still always fun.) The Yankees get to keep the line share of all revenue generated by merchandise sales in their own geography. Jeter is the largest seller in that category, and they will make a ton of money on his march to 3,000, his eventual retirement season, etc. Next, the value of the YES Network is tied directly to the Yankees. The will make more money in advertising revenue around Jeter as a Yankee, with promotions toward his march toward 3,000 and hopefully more. Why do you think when the Yankees had turned their back on A-Rod several years go that he started his return by going through Goldman Sachs? Because Goldman Sachs was a part owner in YES. They’re the money-people. All they know or care about is money. That’s their expertise. They know the business side of the value A-Rod brings to YES. Jeter also does and will bring value to YES and thus the Yankees. If he leaves, they lose all that revenue opportunity, and they also lose the guy who was ranked the third best SS in the league. So it’s a baseball decision, but it’s an on-the-field and off-the-field decision.

                  What you’re suggesting is insulting Jeter (he knows everything and more about what I just wrote above), and offering him a below-market contract. This doesn’t even address that the Yankees also want Jeter to be part of their brand moving forward after he retires. They want to be able to market him to build the myth of the Yankees just as they did with their old stars of Mantle, DiMaggio, Ford and Berra.

                  If you don’t want to accept that Jeter has value to the Yankees today and for the next 40 years, then I suggest that is “idioticy,” or whatever you called it.

                  Sorry, but if you’re going to suggest the Yankees should be thrown out of baseball for offering Jeter more than a two-year contract, I don’t think you really understand all the elements at play here.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          No one cares that you pick up on a stupid typo.

          … unless that stupid typo is hilariously ironic, like attempting to call the strategy of other organizations “idiocy” while misspelling the word idiocy.

          That shit is funny, and deserved to be mocked. You don’t like being mocked? Don’t say mockable shit.

    • MattG

      You can’t do that to any respected player. You do that sort of thing to petulant children. I give that a 99% chance of backfiring.

      If your goal is to sign Derek Jeter, you treat him with respect.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder


        Avi’s idea is probably one of the 5 worst negotiating ideas for the Derek Jeter contract we’ve heard all winter. That shit was dumb.

        • OldYanksFan

          Is 3/$50m a lack of respect?
          EVERYONE wants Jeter resigned with a mutually accepted contract.

          However, I don’t like the idea of any player thinking they are bigger then the Yankees. You can talk about ARod, but he literally came crawling back to the Yankees in tears, and the Yankees GAVE him a contract that they were OK with. ARod did not say “10 years, take it or leave it”.

          My guess is a decent market value contract for Jeter would be 2/$25m. But we know he is worth more to the Yankees and we all would like him to pile up a few more stats in a 3rd year, if he can still play.

          My problem is… if the Yankees are HAPPY to overpay him by 50%-100%, but don’t think it’s good for the team to commit to a 4th year, why is that insulting? If Jeter wants to kick ass over the next 3 years and earn a 1 or 2 year extention… FANTASTIC! We are all rooting for you baby!

          Does anyone believe that $50m for 3 years is low balling Jeter? That’s it’s unfair, because the Yankees have more leverage?

          Why would a guy who is ‘team first’ and ‘winning first’, be opposed to 3/$50m, and then look for a 4th year, at the time, if it’s in the best interest of both parties?

          I really think our financial perceptions have all been skewed by the huge dollars throw around in MLB. After ‘this’ contract, Jeter will have earned ONE QUARTER OF ONE BILLION DOLLARS! Billion… with a B.

          • MattG

            To present any contract, regardless of value, with draconic stipulations and deadlines would have to be considered insulting. It’s easy to say the value of the contract supersedes the insult of the stipulations, but there is virtually no chance the player will perceive it that way.

          • Ed

            You can talk about ARod, but he literally came crawling back to the Yankees in tears,

            That was all a very well planned act. If you remember, the original story was A-Rod fired Boras and came back on his own, but in the end, Boras was actually the one who negotiated the contract.

            and the Yankees GAVE him a contract that they were OK with.

            Boras played off Hank Steinbrenner’s stupidity. Hank negotiated that contract himself, and if you remember, that was the last significant thing Hank did for the team. I don’t think the rest of the front office was very happy with that deal.

            ARod did not say “10 years, take it or leave it”.

            Actually, he did. He insisted on 10 years, $350 million. He “settled” for 10 years, $275m + $25m in bonuses.

            Why would a guy who is ‘team first’ and ‘winning first’, be opposed to 3/$50m, and then look for a 4th year, at the time, if it’s in the best interest of both parties?

            Because that’s the team’s best interest, not his. This is a negotiation – both sides start off with an offer they know the other side won’t accept and they meet somewhere in the middle.

  • Avi

    This team is much bigger than Derek Jeter. They should offer him a contract base on what they believe he will contribute to them winning.
    Winning is far more important than having Derek Jeter on the field.
    I was at game 3 and 4 of the ALCS when you could have had archery practice from the 7th inning on without injuring anyone. And yes Derek Jeter WAS ON THE FIELD. This clearly didn’t keep anyone in their seats.
    You see fans watch at home and at the stadium winning Yankee TEAMS, not players.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      No one’s presence on the field is going to keep fans in their seats during an 8-0 game in the 8th inning. That’s not a great way to prove your point.

      • Avi

        “No one’s presence on the field is going to keep fans in their seats during an 8-0 game in the 8th inning.”
        I agree totally, only WINNING does.

        • mbonzo

          So what available SS should the Yankees get?

          • Avi

            I’m not saying don’t sign him, I’m saying don’t pay him a dime more than you absolutely have to.
            The fact the he’s a Yankee Legend should have nothing to do with how much he gets paid.

            • mbonzo

              It has to do with the Yankees trying to get the best SS they can for next year. The only better ones would have to come through trade and its highly doubtful those teams would trade without demanding half the Yankees farm system. Jeter has high leverage in this situation. Where he would bring $11-$13 mil a year on the free market typically, he has the Yankees in a situation where they not only need him as a SS but also to bring in revenue for the Jeter fans. He’ll ask for something crazy like $20 million and the Yankees will meet him in the middle at $16. If Hanley Ramirez was a FA Jeter would get significantly less. Jeter will get more than he deserves as a player, but he certainly will get what he deserves as a commodity to the Yankees.

              • TopChuckie

                Boy, WHAT IF Hanley Ramirez was a free agent this season? Wouldn’t that have made for some tough decisions and fan argument?

                • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                  Tough decision my ass; let Jeter walk and take Hanley ASAP!

                  • TopChuckie

                    Easy on field decision, not so easy off of it. Do you really think that would be a consensus opinion? There are a lot of #2’s in the stands, and most of those ponytails only care about looks, not UZR. ;)

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              I’m not saying don’t sign him, I’m saying don’t pay him a dime more than you absolutely have to.

              I agree.

              Here’s the rub: overpaying Jeter by 5-10M a year would actually be “not paying him a dime more than you absolutely have to”.

              Digest that true-life paradox.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              The fact the he’s a Yankee Legend should have nothing to do with how much he gets paid.

              Honest question: why?

              Explain why you feel that way. I’d like to hear your reasoning. I can think of some compelling reasons why the fact that Derek Jeter is a Yankee Legend should have EVERYTHING to do with how much he gets paid, starting with the mutually beneficial sports marketing and branding business relationship he and the club have.

    • Hughesus Christo

      Derek Jeter is a Golden God.

    • mbonzo

      Oh man, I don’t know what I’ve just read. But I agree the Yankees should pay him what they believe he’s worth.

    • murakami


      oh, well.

  • mbonzo

    I agree with Sherman, offer Jeter a $120 million dollar 25 year contract!

    Look how well the Mets handle paying guys for 25 years. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703426004575339013108198050.html

    OK, its a completely different situation, but 10-25 years from now, when $3 million a year is still going to Jeter when the Yankees could use it for a good reliever or to sign a huge prospect you begin to remember that $3 million dollars is about how much the average person will make in their life time. The Yankees are the Yankees but they still shouldn’t throw away money.

    • gc

      Stop. Just…stop. If you seriously think that 25 years from now, the Yankees will be wringing their hands over scraping up $3M, then you’ve officially lost your mind. You should have stopped after saying this is a completely different situation, because, well, IT IS.

  • Avi

    “The Yanks would pay Jeter $45 million for three on-field years and include a 25-year, $75-million personal services contract as well. Sherman even found an unnamed AL executive to validate this idea. “It is a no-brainer to me that is how it should be done,” his source said.”

    HA!!! Pay jeter $75M to throw out the first pitch every once in a while, stop by the YES booth to say hello, and hang around the club like Reggie does.
    I’m glad these “unnamed AL executives” aren’t negotiating on behalf of the Yankees.
    This would be the very definition of idiocy.

  • Andy K

    It seems to me the only question on the table should be how much the Yanks are ‘obligated’ to pay The Captain for his past services.
    On the open market as a player he’s worth 2 years at around 15-20 Mil.
    As much as I respect the guy I’d throw in another 10 and offer 2 for thirty.

  • China Joe

    Wow, lots of animosity, cussing and bad spelling in this thread. Whatever happens, it isn’t like this contract is going to become some Zito-esque monstrosity that stops the Yankees from signing free agents. Hank isn’t in charge anymore, he’s not getting 6 years, HE KNOWS he’s not getting six years. The Yankees know he knows he’s not getting six years. It’s just a negotiation between the team you love and the greatest Yankee of your lifetime. No need for hurt feelings.

  • nick swishah is a stahting pitchah

    Jeter’s had a hell of a run. for the last 10 years, he’s been overpaid and over-adulated. (maybe not a word)

    The Yankees should offer him 30m for 3 years and say don’t f with us. Then focus their attention on relevant players ie. C. Lee

    If he doesn’t accept the deal that’s a) more than he’s worth and b) more than any rational team would offer him, then cool… People who ignored the fact the he stayed at shortstop despite A-rod and the fact the his ego anchored him to the lead-off position may finally grasp that “DJ” is all about “DJ” and he doesn’t give a flying fish about you or your Joe Average Loser Life.

    • mbonzo

      I don’t understand who guys think the Yankees will let play SS if they basically tell Jeter to screw himself in negotiations. Believe it or not, Jeter probably brings in the most revenue of any player, even if he’s hitting .270. You’re not gonna find a better hitting short stop right now and he brings in lots of money, why won’t you actually negotiate with the guy. You seem to think DJ has an ego issue and you want to move on to Lee who’s asking for way more than Jeter. Jeter has a lot more teams that would want to sign him than the Yankees have of potential 2011 shortstops.

      • OldYanksFan

        would you rather have Jeter at SS
        Nunez at SS at 80% of Cliff Lee.
        At the (bubba) time, did the Yankees pass on a player theny wanted, Beltran, who offered the Yanks a discount, because they had a budget.

        Did they pass on a guy they wanted for another year, DJ, over $4m?

        They Yankees are very rich… but we have only 1 WS in the last 10 years. They do have a budget, even if it’s a big one, and they can’t flush money down the toilet.

        While Avi is taking a hard stance, it would be nice if Jeter went 3/$30. But if the Yanks go 3/$45, I think most fans would breath a sigh of relieve. Nobody wants to insult or lowball the guy. At the same time, I don’t think the Yankees should be ‘held up’ by Jeter’s ego.

  • Jimmy

    Isn’t the only relevant point of concern here whether they pay Jeter so much that it precludes them from signing a high level second starter (if necessary) or another key player over the next few years due to his salary tying up too much of the ~$208 budget constraint?

    Would length of contract alone really matter much? They (both Yankees & Jeter) hopefully won’t allow him to drag down the team if he does enter a continued decline. They’ve eaten big contracts before. If he ends up in 2012-2013+ as a highly paid bench player, so be it as long there is money left to replace his expected production.

    • mac1

      That’s the way I see it as well. To me, 3/$45 is a good deal for the Yanks considering what he means to the franchise and gives the Yanks a cushion in case he doesn’t rebound offensively from this year.

      If Jeter does rebound a bit, he’s worth that and a probabaly more.

      At 3/$45 I can’t see any other team coming close and Jeter not looking bad by turning his back on the Yankee legacy. JMO.

  • larryf

    Texas did pretty well with their payroll and their 22 year old SS’s salary. Andrus has no power, didn’t win a gold glove, never hit .300-but he can run and get on base fairly well. And for those who use the AL West argument, how about Tampa’s Hall of Fame shortstop?

    Just another way to look at how we could still win without the 37 (next season) Jeter at SS batting leadoff. We have lots of other weapons.

    I like Jeter and he is not going elsewhere but GOING FORWARD-he is not as critical to our TEAM success/winning.

  • Chris

    When did Jeter turn into complete shit? I’m not saying he’s a Top 10 player in the AL but he is still a good player. It’s not like he hit .220. He’s a year removed from a title and batting .340. That being said 5 years would be crazy but I can’t believe the beating he’s being taking the last 2 weeks. The Daily News actually put the Gold Glove story on the back page yesterday. 2 first place NY football teams and the back page is Jeter and a meaningless award! Crazy.

  • OldYanksFan

    Jeter: This contract says 3 years, $45m dollars.
    Cashman: Yes. What do you think?

    Jeter: Well… honestly… all things considered that’s very generous.
    Cashman: Well… you are very important to the organization.

    Jeter: Well… that’s cool. The NEW YORK YANKEES have really done a
    lot for me. $250m plus unbelieveable pussy. Who could possibly complain. But tell me… why the fuck did you give ARod 10 years?
    Cashman: Because we want a YANKEE to have the HR record, and a shot at that doesn’t come around everyday.

    Jeter: Well… yeah… that’s cool. So do I.
    Cashman: And… we are going to throw in a $10m mutual option for a 4th year, with a $5m buyout.

    Jeter: REALLY! NO KIDDING! Jeez… you guys are aweful good to me. This sure beats 2/$25 to be Juan Uribe in San Francisco!

    • Jimmy

      I’d rather have the racing results from 11/13 if you’ve got those too.

    • MattG

      Jeter: This contract says 3 years, $45m dollars
      Cashman: Yes. What do you think?

      Jeter: Alex is getting paid until he’s 42.
      Cashman: Er, yeah, but it’ll take him that long to pass Bonds, so…

      Jeter: He’s got one fucking hip.
      Cashman: Well, that’s not entirely true…

      Jeter: He turned his fucking backs on you numb nuts a couple of years ago. When did I ever do that?
      Cashman: I, um, that was a special case…

      Jeter: You think he’s more important than me? Brian? I really wouldn’t want to believe that’s what you think.
      Cashman: I think I hear Hal calling me…

      • OldYanksFan

        Cashman: Really? So ANOTHER $50m isn’t enough?
        Jeter: Alex is getting paid until he’s 42.

        Cashman: Do you want to talk about Alex, or Derek?
        Jeter: But Alex is getting paid until he’s 42.

        Cashman: Tell you what… if you reach 600 HRs by the end of this contract, we will pay YOU until you’re 45 at $30m/yr.
        Jeter: Fuck that shit. Alex is getting paid until he’s 42.

        Cashman: Look… we will pay you nicely to finish your career as a New York Yankee, to continue your iconic status, to have fans chanting your name every AB in your last year, to be a big part of Yankee History, to go into the HOF wearing a YANKEES cap, and to come back every Old Timers Day and soak in the love.

        Jeter: BUT ALEX IS GETTING PAID INTIL HE’S 42!!!!!!
        Cashman: OK dude. Mr. Face. Mr. Team First. I guess with this $50m we have a little flexibility and can afford Tulo or Hanley. Or maybe save it for Timmy. Wow. This is kinda fun. Where’s that FA list for 2012?

        Anyway Mr. Unselfish… Enjoy San Francisco and all the good press you should get.

        • MattG

          If I transcribed what I really thought was going to be said, it would be very boring. A lot of “we really want you”s and “i love it here”s.

          This is more fun!

      • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

        Alternative scenario:

        Cashman: You want 6 years, $150M.
        Jeter/Close: Yep, you got your pen ready?

        Cashman: You just had your worst season ever, and your defense has visibly declined.
        Jeter/Close: I’m a Yankee legend. I deserve this contract, after everything I’ve given the team?

        Cashman: And the Yankees gave you a 10-year, $189M contract, where you performed better than you will going forward. Why do you deserve a raise?
        Jeter/Close: I’m Derek Jeter! The fans love me. I’m a Yankee legend. You can’t let me walk away.

        Cashman: The Yankees let Ruth walk. Are you saying you’re more important to the franchise than Babe Ruth?
        Jeter/Close: Um…no…I mean…well it’s not like you have any better alternative!

        Cashman: That’s true, but that doesn’t mean all the alternatives are untenable. Plus, although it doesn’t really matter, we’ll save budget room for other players who can help us on the field to make up for the difference in performance. We’re willing to pay you far more than any other team in the game, plus, I believe you have very profitable advertisement deals here in NY that you wouldn’t be able to match elsewhere.
        Jeter/Close: …We’ll call you back.

      • mac1

        Funny, but two wrongs don’t make a right. Whatever Jeter gets he gets, doesn’t matter to me since like the other poster said, I don’t think it will prevent the Yanks from signing other major guys.

        Still can’t fathom that anyone is going to significantly outbid the Yanks though – even though I think the Yanks stand to make a mint off his 3,000th hit – after that, I don’t see the significant revenue stream another team can capitalize on.

        The rub with Alex was as he climbed the HR ladder there would be alot more promotional opportunities as he hit many more milestones.

  • Goosemania

    Im not sure if this question was asked but if Jeter received this “life” contract that pays him over 25 years, would that count towards the teams payroll?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      It would have to be a separate (and under the table) deal for it not to be considered part of the original contract. It should be treated like deferred salary and thus, counted against the cap.

  • MattG

    The $75m personal services contract sounds utterly moronic. What will his role be for those 25 years? Massage Hal’s feet? Why would Jeter even want that?

    Is his role to sit in the dugout and look dignified? Show up when they honor him? Pat guys on the butt, and give ’em the “go get ’ems?”

    The dude wants to be an owner. You want to get creative? Figure out some way to jump start that process for him (within the rules, of course). Future stock options, angel financing, networking opportunities, whatever. There are plenty of rich dudes. It takes more than money to own a MLB team.

    • MattG

      I thought I’d elaborate on my own post.

      It seems like it might be really hard, really ridiculously hard, to become a major league owner. Rightly so–there are only 30 spots.

      But former players dominate those spots in every aspect of the game, except ownership. Why is that?

      Possibly players don’t want to be owners. I doubt that, but it’s possible.

      Even so, Nolan Ryan apparently wanted to be an owner, and how long did it take him? A couple of years shy of forever, in Texas, no less. Nolan Ryan could declare himself Emperor of Texas today, secede, and Texans would shout for joy, but it took him years to get control of a measly major league team.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        You’re not capturing the magnitude.

        Players don’t become owners because players get paid a fraction of the revenues of the league (by owners, mind you), and players, even the very best ones, never make enough money over the lifetimes of their careers to build enough net wealth to be able to afford a team.

        Nolan Ryan doesn’t own the Rangers, nor does he have control of the Rangers. He’s a minority owner of the Rangers (and serves as their GM at the behest of his wealthy co-owners because he knows baseball slightly more than they do).

        Chuck Greenberg owns the Rangers, and despite never playing in the major leagues, Greenberg’s net worth is like triple or quadruple whatever Ryan’s is.

        Michael Jordan probably made like twice as much money during his playing career as all his contemporaries (when you include endorsements), and he’s probably the best comp to Jeter as the one player potentially bigger than the sport; he had to basically sink every dime of his money into buying the Bobcats, the worst and least expensive franchise in the league… and he still had to have Stern rig the bidding to make that happen. He wasn’t the high bidder.

        How much cash on hand do you think Jeter will really have when he walks away from the game? 250M, tops? That won’t even buy you the worst teams in baseball.

        Players don’t make owner money. Owner money starts in the half-billions.

        • MattG

          Well, I would say that gives the Yankees something to really offer Mr. Jeter, then. If his is sincere in his desire to own a major league team, Misters Hank and Hal can swear their fealty once he retires. Jeter’s going to need a lot of help, and I feel that would hold tremendous value for him in these negotiations.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            If his is sincere in his desire to own a major league team, Misters Hank and Hal can swear their fealty once he retires.

            But that swearing of fealty can’t be in the contractual language anywhere, which makes it pretty irrelevant to the negotiations at hand.

        • TopChuckie

          To paraphrase Chris Rock, there’s rich and then there’s wealthy. Shaq is rich, the guy who signs Shaq’s checks is wealthy.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder


            Shaq’s estimated net worth is in the 250M range. Jerry Buss’s net worth is 600M+.

  • Greg

    I would kick the tires on Jose Reyes and move on from Jeter if the price wasn’t prohibitive.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Eh, I don’t think that’s enough of an upgrade.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      No, never, God no; he’s got that icky Met taste in him, but not the good, retro, 80’s kind that Strawberry or Gooden had.

    • pat

      I’d take Reyes in a heartbeat over Jeter next year. He’s still mad young and the injury problems should be behind him.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        If they were both FAs, I’d be more inclined to agree.

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

    I know it was said it a lot during the regular season, but people seem to have forgotten:
    Even hitting .270, he was one of the best offensive SS in the AL.

    Remember, SS is a defensive players position. When a team hires a SS, they look at his fielding ability with more scrutiny than his hitting ability. The fact remains, it is rare to have a SS who hit as well as Jeter.
    Wait, forget all that stuff I said about D.
    My point stands.

    • Clay Bellinger

      Yeah, it’s not like Jeter hit .210 last year. .270 isn’t what we’ve all come to expect from DJ, but even in a down year he’s still more productive than most of the shortstops out there.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        But even though we’ve paid probably a hundred players in the past millions more than they were worth, and will probably pay a hundred more players millions more than they’ll be worth in the future, we shouldn’t pay Jeter a dime more than he’s worth now.


        • JobaWockeeZ

          The Yankees really shouldn’t. They want to stay at the same payroll and who knows what Lee is asking. The lower Jeter gets is better.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            The lower Jeter gets is better.

            Nobody is arguing that. What we’re saying is, this concept that the Yankees should refuse to pay him more than 12M a year (or whatever other “market value” figure you arrive at) is a little silly.

            The idea that Jeter shouldn’t be overpaid (like countless other Yankees have been and continue to be overpaid) for some philosophical reason, that NOW is when we decide to start hardline negotiations and possibly drive away the single most marketable baseball player possibly EVER, to prove some point… I don’t get it.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              I don’t get it.

              It’s Yankee fans. Difference with overpaying other FA’s is because they are coming off good walk years. Jeter probably had one of his worst seasons ever which is causing people to demand market rate for Jeter.

              As long as he doesn’t get a raise then it’s pretty good for me.

            • OldYanksFan

              Dude…. Avi is one of 3 people on the planet who might be serious about 2/$24. He’s just being a counterpoint. Let’s talk about something we believe might be on the table.

              3 years, $50m at:
              $18m, $15m, $12m, mutual option for 4th at $10m, $5m buyout.

              This is (at least) market value plus a 50% “You’re Derek Jeter!” bonus.

              Is 3 years/$50 million fair to BOTH parties?

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                I’d say it is, sure. I still think it’ll be closer to 3/60, though. Maybe 3/55 or so.

                It’s not going to be frontloaded like that, though. I doubt Jeter wants to make only 12M three years from now. Any frontloading would be more subtle than that.

                • MikeD

                  Instead of frontloading it, they might do just the opposite, even in small way. Let’s say it’s a 3/60 contract. The might do 18/21/21. They seem committed to not substantially increasing the payroll, which has rested around that $200 million mark (give or take $10 million) since 2005, in the process letting the luxury tax trip creep closer to their $200 million payroll.

                  Since they’re planning to have a big addition this year with Lee, they might ask Lee (and Jeter) to shift some of the money into 2012 and beyond to ensure they’re within a Johnny Damon throw from left field of $200 million.

    • OldYanksFan

      So what’s you point? That Jeter’s worth $12m/yr? OK… we concede.

  • MattG

    Hypocrisy can be so covert. Too often, grade A jerks are given great big money bags because they are also grade A talents. When that happens, all exclaim apoplectically “No! Not that guy!”

    Then, we have Derek Jeter, a man who once saved a little child from a speeding car (don’t correct me!) while gunning down Jeremy Giambi at the plate, but he can’t have a penny more than he deserves on the open market.

    • MikeD

      I’m correcting you. That was A-Rod in Boston saving the child!

      • MattG

        No, it was Jeter, and as it turns, the kid was a love-child descendant of Abner Doubleday and Mrs. Claus.

        • MikeD


          Breaking with my belief that no grown man should ever use an emoticon.

          • OldYanksFan

            Can’t Jeter just knock up some thirteen year old so we can get this over with?

  • http://www.twitter.com/brandonholley B-Rando

    This thread was amusing to read through.

    Its amazing how passionate one way or the other people are about Jeter.

    Whatever the yanks pay him, they pay him. Its not our money, and we can watch one of the greatest SS of all time finish his career in pinstripes.

    In a negotiation like this, its much easier to just be a fan, then to try and play GM.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Its not our money…

      This comes up a lot, and I’d just like to state for the record that it is our money. We pay ever-escalating ticket prices to go to the games. We buy food at the games. We spend money on drinks and souvenirs. We pay a fee to our cable companies to keep the YES Network on the air. As the Yanks’ payroll goes up, so too do those prices. So yes it is our money.

      • Ed

        As the Yanks’ payroll goes up, so too do those prices. So yes it is our money.

        It’s the other way around. The payroll goes up because those other prices went up first. Ticket prices and all those other things are set to whatever price the team feels will generate the most revenue, then the payroll gets set based off the expected revenue. They don’t sign a big free agent then raise the ticket prices to make up the cost.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          They don’t sign a big free agent then raise the ticket prices to make up the cost.

          Yeah, they’re not the Mets.

      • http://www.twitter.com/brandonholley B-Rando

        A small fraction of it is yes technically your money. However, 60 MM or whatever Jeter ends up getting isn’t coming out of yours or my pocket.

        However, yes your right, collectively, the millions of fans that attend Yanks games and pay cable fees, its all our money.

        The point I’m trying to make is that this continuous debate about Jeter is tiresome, and that regardless of what we think, the Yanks and Jeter are going to come to a head and he will get exorbitantly overpayed.

      • murakami

        Maybe you buy “food” at the games….:D

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      In a negotiation like this, its much easier to just be a fan, then to try and play GM.

      As a fan the thing I want more than anything else is for the Yankees to put the best possible team on the field. Overpaying Jeter, or any other player, hurts the team on the field as a bigger chunk of the budget (and yes they have one) is tied up. Every time you overpay anyone you are potentially hurting another part of the team.

      • http://www.twitter.com/brandonholley B-Rando

        Steve, I totally agree. This is why we’re not going to offer arbitration to Kerry Wood and field a $12MM dollar setup man. This is why we’re not going to do the same for Berkman, and the list goes on and on.

        The point I’m making is that we know negotiations with Jeter are different. This isn’t any old free agent, this isn’t any old Yankee, as much as some of us here want to treat as such, it just isn’t.

        I love to play GM just like everyone else here when it comes to pretty much every other player. For Jeter though, his case is so unique that its tiresome to continually debate how much he will be payed when we all know he’s going to get overpayed in the end, by a lot….

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          I agree with all of that.

          • http://www.twitter.com/brandonholley B-Rando

            Should’ve been more clear the first time. My apologies.

  • MikeD

    I’m not a fan of the “personal services” contract idea. For one, it would have to be considered today as part of his salary as a player, which means it might be subject to the luxury tax in future years, even if Jeter is no longer player. Pass. Second, it opens up an additional problem. A bigger problem. I can see Mariano asking about that right away. Eventually other players will ask for it. Doesn’t matter they’re not in the Jeter class. They’ll ask for it! Reggie Jackson is already serving the Yankees in that capacity, and is not being paid $3-5 million a year for the role. (And, btw, where the hell did that number come from? I’ve seen it mentioned in the media. It’s an absurd amount for shaking people’s hands, so it would be a lot less.) Reggie will want a big raise. Now, we know Jeter is worth more to the Yankees than Reggie, but try telling Reggie that!

    The best path to a personal-services contract is to make it happen once the player has retired as a player. It’s less complicated and it’s not a matter of public record, preventing other players who also have personal services contract from knowing what the other player is making and asking for a raise.

    What’s more likely is if the Yankees signed Jeter to a four-year contract, but he collapses as a player and retires let’s say after year three, that the two sides come to an agreement that works for both. The player (Jeter) announces his retirement. The Yankees then draw up a personal services contract that may be at or near the same value of the last year of Jeter’s contract (but perhaps spread over a few years). Both sides win. The player no longer hurts the team on the field. The player still collects his money. The Yankees save money because the contract is no longer subject to the luxury tax, so they’re paying 40% less. This may be how A-Rod’s career with the Yankees ends if he ceases to be productive in his last few years.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      That PSC idead is entirely the whacked-out imagination of Sherman. Pay it no mind.

  • OldYanksFan

    Hey RABBIES….
    Can we please have a poll, something like

    Taking everything into account, what’s the MAX the Yankees should give Jeter before they just let him field other offers:

    b) 4/$100m
    c) 4/$80m
    d) 4/$60m
    e) 3/$50m
    f) 3/$40m
    g) Let him test Free Agency and top any offer by 50%

    • SullyLV

      @Old Yankee Fan-3/50Mil.Also another poster stated about back loading Jeters contract.I don’t think the Yankees would do that because in 2013 the Yankees will have 6 players due 135 mil and between the ages of 35-39.

  • Endlessmike


    The Yankees don’t need Jeter they want him.If Jeter leaves the Yankees he won’t get more then $10 million anywhere else and wouldn’t have those stupid Gillete commerical as a Brewer.Jeter needs the Yankees because he has become a mascot.

  • Eric Young

    “Joel Sherman proposed a massive post-career deal that would bridge any monetary gap.”

    HEY!!! Joel Sherman’s proposal was almost identical, point-by-point and word-for-word, of my post on this site two days prior to Sherman’s column.

    Seriously, when I read that column, I was pissed.

    Just sayin’.