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Christmas Weekend Open Thread

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Update (12/26/10 7:00pm ET): It’s technically still Christmas weekend, so let’s just bump this thread up top instead of creating a whole new one. There’s no late NFL game because the Eagles and Vikings were snowed out, so they’re going to play on Tuesday instead. The Devils and Isles are supposed to play at home as well, but I have no idea if those games were postponed as well. Either way, talk about whatever you want.

Original Post (12/24/10 4:00pm ET): Happy Holidays to all of our readers out there. Even if you don’t celebrate Christmas, take the weekend to hang out with some family and be merry. Don’t expect any Yankee news until at least Monday, but use this thread to talk about whatever you want this evening. Happy Holidays.

Categories : Open Thread

253 Comments»

  1. Jerome S. says:

    A weekend without RAB?! What the hell do you expect, for me to have a life or something?!

    • We’ll be posting over the weekend. Don’t worry. But it’ll be mostly small tidbits and features-type pieces. The Yanks seem intent on not making headlines any time soon. Maybe we’ll be wrong about that.

  2. GermanYankee says:

    Christmas? What’s that? We celebrate Festivus ;)

  3. Granderslam says:

    Merry Christmas Eve everyone! And let’s hope Santa brings us somethig that resembles a rotation!

  4. Bob Stone says:

    Happy Holidays everyone! Make it a safe one.

  5. pat says:

    Hopefully Ca$h Claus leaves a shiny new Wandy under the tree this year.

  6. bexarama says:

    Merry Christmas, all. Here’s hoping we get a pretty shiny new/old Andy inside a box. ;)

    (Oh God this can be read in so many ways, I apologize)

  7. bronxbrain says:

    I ask a question to those of us with nothing to do this evening: Earlier this week, Larry Koestler at Yankeeist (http://www.yankeeist.com/2010/.....fraid.html) wrote a sober, non-hysterical post about the likely possibilities for the 2011 Yankees’ starting rotation. Among his claims was this, which I’ve been pondering for a few days:

    “If Nova and/or Mitre is getting shellacked a month or so into the year, would it kill the Yankees to actually see what they might have in the farm system for once? Perhaps the Yankees take a gamble and bring up one of Andrew Brackman, Betances or Banuelos. And even if one of those pitchers get bombed, as a Yankee fan wouldn’t you rather watch a prospect take his lumps than Sergio Mitre?”

    Most observers consider Phelps and Noesi possible call-ups at some point during the season, but I’ve heard (read) few voices willing seriously to consider the team’s very top pitching prospects as contributors during the upcoming season. There are good reasons for such caution. I wonder, though: given the “win-at-all-costs” mentality of the fan base, as well as the pressure Cash certainly will feel as the season drudges on, might it not be inevitable that one of the three Killer B’s might not get a mid-June ticket to the show?

    Thoughts (from those of you with greater insights than I have)?

    • OldYanksFan says:

      Well… I think it’s possible. Yankees have had guys from AA up before. But it would mean a) Mitre and/or Nova were totally shitting the bed b) Cashman couldn’t even land someone as mediocre as Blanton. It could happen, but it would mean things are going really badly.

    • Preston says:

      I don’t think Betances or Banuelos get the call up. I know that Banuelos is supposed to have great poise but he’s 19. Betances is way to raw, and he just came off of injury. If Brackman starts the year at AAA and is pitching well I could envision him getting to the big club, especially considering his contract situation, we’ll be in more of a rush to see what we have in him. But I’d think he’d probably be used in the bullpen like Joba and David Price were used. Otherwise I think Phelps and Noesi just have much more polish and are better prepared for the jump. And both are well regarded big league prospects. Maybe they don’t have the upside, but it’s not like they are scrubs.

    • smurfy says:

      yeah, I’d love to see ‘em. One may get a whiff of what he wants, and take off. The others could benefit from the taste if you don’t overstress them too much. Rather than declaring a starter, too loudly, that is, you say a couple pitchers will cover the bulk of the game.

      Mr. Nova’s a good example of one seeming to hit a limit. Maybe he can be paired with others to take it, maybe through the lineup, more as you’re able. Over time maybe Ivan could find the pitch or approach he needs.

      Let’s see, if 12 pitchers, and these 4 prospect* slots cover 2 starts, and long relief, that leaves 7, counting 3 starters, and Mo, Robby, Joba (maybe he would swing in, too), Boone and Feliciano.

      *Mitre and Nova included

  8. Way to bum me out with that picture of YSII. Thanks for ruining Christmas, Mike. Freakin’ socialist.

  9. rossdfarian says:

    Has there been an RAB profile on Jeff Francis yet? He seems like a worthwhile target … especially if Andy is hangin’ ‘em up.

    • Mike HC says:

      Axisa gave him a small writeup a little while ago. Here it is:

      Jeff Francis

      Francis is kind of the exception here because he isn’t actually coming off an injury. After missing the entire 2009 season due to shoulder surgery, the 29-year-old lefty did manage to make 19 starts (and one relief appearance) while pitching to a 3.88 FIP in 104.1 innings for the Rockies in 2010. His ERA was ugly (5.00), but we all know that isn’t the best way to judge performance. Francis is a generic soft-tossing command lefty, spotting a fastball, changeup, and curveball on the corners of the plate. He misses just enough bats (8.4% swing-and-miss rate, 5.8 K/9 since 2008) and doesn’t walk many guys (2.6 BB/9 career, removing intentional walks), and he also gets a pretty nice amount of ground balls (~45% over the last few years) as well. Francis’ margin for error is small, but the track record is there.

      • rossdfarian says:

        Thank you, Mike …
        Knowing that he would be used in the Yankee rotation, why don’t we hear more chatter from Francis’ agent? Shouldn’t he be releasing little tidbits about mutual interest just to get other bidders so the price rises on the Yankees? Isn’t that how slightly above marginal free agents have used the team in the past?

  10. Gonzo says:

    Did anyone see that a chef from NYY Steak was on Chopped (Food Network cooking competition)? He was such a huge a-hole. Not in a funny way. In a cringe way.

  11. Squishy Jello Person says:

    Admit it. How many fellow tribe members are looking at Chinese menus right now?

    I know I am =D

    (A very merry Christmas to all who celebrate it, and happy day off of work for those who do not!)

  12. BigBlueAL says:

    Merry Christmas to everybody!!

    Hopefully the Yankees find Andy Pettitte under their tree tomorrow morning….

  13. Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

    This sucks, where’s the Colter Bean thread?

  14. Hmmm says:

    How pissed are Cliff Lee’s kids? I’m sure if Daddy took more money, they would have had a little more presents under the tree.

    • Michael Mirabella says:

      Right?! Not that they don’t have enough to worry about, like moving to Philly ;) New York is much safer.

      JK of course.

  15. b_kundrick says:

    Who the hell decorated that tree, the grinch known as Kei Igawa??? LOL Happy Holidays to All !!!!!!

  16. Jerome S. says:

    Does anyone consider it possible that either the AL West or the NL Central could produce the first <.500 playoff team soon?

  17. Nostra-Artist says:

    Merry Christmas to all the regulars (you know who you are) and the 3 site authors. Best yankee blog and community around.

  18. Regis says:

    Have a Merry Christmas, everyone.

  19. first time lawng time says:

    What’s the deal here for next season? Is Jorge our official DH? Is Jesus Montero going to be on the opening day roster?

  20. Nom Chompsky says:

    I am so bored.

    Sometimes it sucks being a non-Jew who doesn’t celebrate Christmas.

  21. I Am Not The Droids You're Looking For (is off to masterstroke myself) says:

    Merry Christmas all. And thanks to the RABbis for the best Yanks site around.

  22. Xstar7 says:

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!

  23. Kramerica Industries (prev. Carcillo) says:

    I would love to fill my day with Seinfeld tomorrow.

    Wait, there are no airings tomorrow in my area? Fuck. Perhaps this will persuade me into buying the DVD’s instead.

    I would use this to piggy-back into a open question about favorite Seinfeld quotes, but that’s damned near impossible to answer.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Favorite Seinfeld quote: “People with guns don’t understand. That’s why they get guns. Too many misunderstandings.”

    • Sean C says:

      “But where does the meat go?”

      The second time Kramer asks Elaine that about the meat slicer, I just lose it.

      And, my sisters and I have been getting our Seinfeld-addict dad (he’s from Long Island but we live in Illinois) seasons of the show over the last few christmas’. I began the practice of opening them and watching them before wrapping them for Christmas… He’s no longer surprised when he tears off wrapping paper to find it already opened but re-sealed in saran-wrap…

    • maroon Golf says:

      “I saw “Titanic”. So that old woman, she’s just a liar, right?”

  24. Hughesheretoabuse says:

    Merry Christmas to all. I got my Yankee 2011 calender and I love it, except for Joba gracing the month of November (Why couldn’t it have been a Gardner or Jesus)

  25. Slappy White says:

    MERRY CHRISTMAS
    from the White Family

  26. aldot says:

    Merry Christmas to all — and bless the RABis for making our days more intellectually stimulating while trying to slog through work, school, etc. Best yankees blog .. best yankees community. Thanks to all, and to all a good night.

  27. Jerome S. says:

    Merry Christmas; thank you to everyone here for making the internet interesting.

  28. Doug says:

    Saw again how we’re interested in Jeff Keppinger of the ‘stros, so decided to look up his numbers this past season.

    Like his nice .810 OPS vs. lefties, but LOVED his ridiculously few 5 Ks in 138 ABs vs. southpaws. One year aberration you’re thinking: last 3 years, he’s at .841 and only 14 Ks in 379 ABs….one every 27.1 ABs (or about once a week) for those not wanting to do the math.

    I’m officially on the Keppinger bandwagon.

  29. Gonzo says:

    Not religious guy, but It’s a Wonderful Life is always amazing no matter how old I get.

  30. first time lawng time says:

    but do you think that mariano will get the saves record this year?

    • Jerome S. says:

      No, he’d have to get 43 saves. I mean, it’s doable, but I just don’t see it because a) he may be Mo, but he’s old, and b) there’s only so many opportunities that a team like the Yankees will provide. I mean, Brian Wilson had the NL saves record last year but admittedly the Giants weren’t blowing anyone out, so vitually every game was a save. When the Yankees aren’t losing they can really be blowing the other team out of the water so a three-run margin in the ninth doesn’t happen too often.
      So no.

    • Here’s Mariano’s most impressive number

      http://www.baseball-reference......reer.shtml

      It’s certainly not fair to compare starters and relievers, but Mo is almost 60 points ahead of the next reliever (Quisenberry) on the list.

  31. Sean C says:

    Ugh, I’ve already watched A Christmas Story one and a half times. I am WAY ahead of my quota. I usually pace myself better than this…

  32. Bart says:

    Hopefully, Brackman makes the team out of Spring Training, if not as a starter, then as a temporary reliever, – just to get his feet wet in the “Bigs”. In Spring Training, he will have the benefit of the new pitching coach, who is supposed to be one of the best in the game.

    The Yanks invested a lot of money in him, and are probably hoping that he steps up. It makes sense that they are not saying much about him, since they probably don’t want him to feel any pressure.

    • If anything, Brackman needs to pitch. He started playing baseball late, and didn’t really commit to pitching full time until his 2nd year of college. He also hasn’t dominated the minors the way Betances or Banuelos has, so if anything those two should be ahead in the pecking order right now.

    • Gonzo says:

      He needs innings. If he gets put in the bullpen, there is a real chance he’s there for good.

  33. OldYanksFan says:

    Since it will be a boring few days, for those in need of discussion (like me), I post some questions to answer and discuss:
    Answers are Yes or No – and is it the right move.

    1) Cashman will go into ST with the current SR… or at best/worst, get 1 non-impact #4/#5 type guy

    2) Barring injury in ST, Martin will be our starting C and Jesus gets at least a month a AAA.

    3) Cashman will get an impact OFer mid year, and Brett platoons/becomes trade bait.

    4) AJ will end the year with a sub 4.2 ERA

    5) Jeter will NOT be the starting SS in 2013, and it will be his last year.

    6) Cashman will try to trade Cano + Gardner + prospects to SF for Timmy or Cain.

    • 1)Yes. There’s no one else available that I’m aware of.

      2)Yes. Montero stays down unless Martin or Posada gets hurt.

      3)No, I think the Yanks like Brett more than some fans do.

      4)Yes, but that’s a complete guess on my part. One based on nothing.

      5)Yes, last year was for real. I expect Derek to regress further.

      6)No. Cano will not be traded in a deal like that. If the Yanks acquire a pitcher, it will cost them prospects. The Yanks don’t make ‘rob Peter to pay Paul’ type deals.

    • art vandelay says:

      this is what i don’t get about yankee fans … why would the defending champs trade their best pitching ? just cause you dream about having them on the team doesn’t mean you just come up with trade scenarios.

      plus cano is going to be our #3 or #4 hitter for the next decade. no need to trade him

      • It’s not crazy, but I would agree it’s highly unlikely. If the Giants wanted to acquire a big bat, the one place they have some excess on their roster is in their rotation. But that division is so weak, their rotation so strong, it’s hard to imagine them falling out of it. They also don’t have anyone in AAA that’s so appealing that they would move one of their MLB starters to make room for him. Not happening, but not a crazy thought.

        • Gonzo says:

          Trading Timmy or Cain right now is crazy. At least that’s what I think. They have money, they have another pitcher (Sanchez) that is tradeable, neither Cain or Timmy is a FA soon, and they play in the NL West.

          Timmy is going to get expensive, but they can always revisit a trade next year or mid-season if they collapse. It’s not like they are the Marlins. Uggla was had for cheap. They probably can upgrade on the field without severely downgrading the rotation.

    • bonestock94 says:

      So I’m not the only one high on AJ in 2011, nice. I’m gonna try to get him in my fantasy league next year.

    • bexarama says:

      1. No, I think Andy ends up coming back because I’m delusional.

      2. Yes. Jesus comes up later in the season, though.

      3. No, Brett’s fine as is.

      4. Yes.

      5. He’s probably the starting SS… and not very good. But that’ll be his last year.

      6. No. I don’t think Cain is worth Cano+ anyway.

      • Gonzo says:

        Since Gardner is coming back from wrist surgery, people are getting their “fire Cash for not finding a LF” chant. It takes time for hitters to bounce back from wrist injuries, but I am fine waiting. It’s not like he’s a power hitter.

    • playeroption says:

      1-yes. cash will wait and see what will be available come mid-season

      2-yes, unless martin gets hurt

      3-nope, unless gardner really tanks

      4-nope, he is mentally inconsistant, which is ok at 24, not 34

      5- yes, jeter will be a part timer halfway thru 2012

      6- no, he will try to use prospects to pick up a Carpenter or Hudson type mid-season

    • Mike HC says:

      1) It seems like it.

      2) If Martin looks solid at the plate in ST, then probably. But if Montero looks great, and Martin looks like he has the past two years, I think Montero may stick.

      3) I don’t think Gardner is going anywhere at this point but a platoon is possible depending on Gardner’s early season production. It is a good bet to assume Cashman will make some moves for impact part time players at the deadline or even this off season.

      4) I highly doubt it.

      5) I think Jeter will be our starting SS in 2013, and it will not be his last year starting there either.

      6) Cashman will not trade Cano for anyone that is realistically available. And I don’t see SF trading Timmy or Cain, but you never know and if they did, the Yanks would probably be number one contenders without having Cano anywhere near that deal.

    • yankees1717 says:

      1) yes, i would rather someone better but at this point it’s the right move.
      2) yes
      3) no. not the right move either. SP at the deadline.
      4) no, i’d be satisfied with 200+ IP of 4.5 ERA
      5) ehh, i’d say he will start, and it most certainly will not be his last year. remember the player option.
      6) NO NO NO NO NO for two reasons.
      1. why would you trade cano and gardner and create two even bigger holes than the one in the rotation
      2. why would SF trade one of those two? for anything
      This is one of those trade proposals in which there is serious grounds for both teams to reject. here we can really say “your trade proposal sucks”

  34. O Coelho says:

    What do I want for Christmas this year? Hopefully Brian Cashman will perjure himself on the stand at the Clemens trial forcing the Yankees to dismiss him.

    NO ONE ELSE COULD DO LESS WITH A $200M PAYROLL THAN BRIAN CASHMAN, NOT EVEN OMAR MINAYA!

    • bexarama says:

      I’m pretty sure Mariah Carey could do less.

      /listening to “All I Want for Christmas is You”

    • Accent Shallow says:

      Really, who should he have paid that he didn’t? Crawford? Werth? I don’t want either one of those guys in their later years.

      Lee clearly would have made the 2011 team better, but I really don’t think he’ll age well, either.

      • bonestock94 says:

        This. I totally don’t see Cashman’s failure. Our outfield needs no work. We didn’t need Adrian Gonzalez. All of our eggs were in Lee’s basket, and he took LESS money to go elsewhere. No other available pitcher was that great. You could argue Greinke, but there were rumors for weeks that the Yankees doubted his ability to make it on the big stage.

        • bronxbrain says:

          Agreed. I am especially grateful for the trades that Cashman *didn’t* make this winter. I’m not feeling terribly secure about the rotation at this moment, but I am so glad that he hasn’t (yet) traded Jesus and ManBan/Betances for a solid #2 starter. If our best chips can’t get us a Josh Johnson type pitcher, then we should hold onto them.

          • AJ says:

            Remember how everyone was pissed that Cashman wouldn’t give up the farm for Johan Santana? Maybe he knows more than we give him credit for.

    • Jerome S. says:

      Because the true strength of a GM can be measured before even spring training.

      So tell me psychic, will the Yankees even win a single game?

    • Esteban says:

      Yea, the Yankees lost all those players from last year’s team that won 95 games. What a disaster.

    • pete says:

      As it currently stands, the payroll is lower than the Red Sox’s, at around $172m

    • Jerome S. says:

      I’d like to see Omar Minaya land Sabathia Swisher A-Rod Granderson Teixeira Matsui Damon or anyone else who has significantly contributed to the team since 1998.

  35. Esteban says:

    Stop the presses! clear your calendars! Big Momma’s House 3 comes out in February. Too bad it’ll be too late for this year’s Oscars.

  36. Souter Fell says:

    Merry Christmas to all. Sis got me a Bucky Dent autographed photo of him earning his middle name. Good day.

  37. Accent Shallow says:

    Cowabunga Kwanzaa, all.

  38. bonestock94 says:

    http://twitter.com/JimIrsay

    This is the colts owner, its hilarious

  39. Big Juan says:

    My dad got me a ManBan and Slade rookie card, along with a Montero card and a ’95 Jeter card.

  40. Pat D says:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....ed/?page=1

    This may be old news, since it’s a couple days old, but it always brings me comfort on the holidays to know that people I don’t like or respect refuse to change. People who don’t vote for Jack Morris are “silly stat shut-ins,” though he does bother to vote for Blyleven, and Edgar Martinez supporters are a “lobby of folks who’ve never been out of the house.”

    Merry Christmas to you, too, Danny Boy.

  41. bronxbrain says:

    1) Yes. Prior to June, any additions come from within the system.

    2) Yes, although I would expect to see Jesus prior to the all-star break

    3) I don’t think so. Gardy’s new-found bunting skills will make him even more valuable this year

    4) Yes.

    5) Yes.

    6) No, although I don’t think that the whole idea is unreasonable.

  42. Slappy White says:

    Cleaning out some closet space to make room for new Christmas stuff and I came across an old Clemens name and number tee.
    What do you do with shit like that ?

  43. The Real JobaWockeeZ says:

    Wait I’m confused. I thought our top prospect’s birthday was last month?

  44. Shaun says:

    Got a Jacket with the emblems of all 27 WS titles with my name on sewn on the front.

  45. bexarama says:

    I got the Core 4 Yankeeography collection. GONNA BE SCREENCAPPING THE SHIT OUT OF THE ANDY PETTITTE YANKEEOGRAPHY BITCHES.

    (My dad also got me a Bills hat because he “knows I like New York sports.” Oh dad. You’re cute.)

  46. icebird753 says:

    So, when’s Kwanzaa?

  47. OldYanksFan says:

    OldPoll results (thanks for playing)
    1) Cashman will go into ST with the current SR
    (Yes. Nothing out there. It’s Andy or bust)

    2) Barring injury in ST, Martin will be our starting C
    (Yes. We fans want Jesus, but Cashman ain’t a fan, he’s the GM)

    3) Cashman will get an impact OFer mid year, and Brett platoons/becomes trade bait.
    (No… we all like Brett. But our infield is cement for years to come. I like our OF, but where else (aside from P), can we upgrade?)

    4) AJ will end the year with a sub 4.2 ERA
    (Who the Hell knows? I say yes. Wishful thinking?)

    5) Jeter will NOT be the starting SS in 2013, and it will be his last year.
    (Leans to NO. The guy could be a statue in 3 years. Even Minky is not enough to keep him loose.)

    6) Cashman will try to trade Cano + Gardner + prospects to SF for Timmy or Cain.
    (People say NO, but here’s my take.
    The Yankees have great Offense, but are pitching desparate.
    SanFran is just the opposite.
    Timmy make $13m in 2011 and in then a FA. Don’t the Giants try and trade him to get something, or do they pay $20m/yr to keep him.
    Cain makes $7m in 2011 and $15m in 2012, his walk year.
    Again, can FanFran afford BOTH these guys (at $40m/yr?)
    I think not.

    Isn’t one of the 2 gonna be on the block?
    And will they be a FA, or traded (with an extention built in)?

    If you are SanFran, is it better to have Timmy ay $20m, or Jesus and Brett and a Killer B for under $2m?

  48. AJ says:

    Got a signed Mariano ball with the cert of authenticity. Awesome.

  49. Sean C says:

    My parents surprised me with a Wii for Christmas, which is absolutely awesome. Can anyone recommend some cool games for it? I’ve already looked some up and I’m buying Donkey Kong Returns and Mario Kart Wii sometime next week. I was a huge fan of those games for the old-school Nintendo consoles…

  50. Being a light sleeper sucks.

  51. OldYanksFan says:

    So is Timmy a FA after 2011 or not? Please provide Link, as Cot’s says he is.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      No, and there’s not link to be had. A player can not become a free agent until he has six years of service time. Lincecum has a shade more than three. He can’t become a free agent until after the 2013 season.

      That 2/23 deal is just the team buying out some of his arbitration years in an effort to save money and get some cost certainty.

      • OldYanksFan says:

        You are correct in that he has less than 2.5 yrs of MLB service. So Timmy has 3 more years of Arb? If he is getting paid $11.5m now, what’s he gonna get in 2012 and beyond?

        Cain is another matter. He currently has a ML service: 4.038, with 2 years on his contract, being paid $15m for 2012. So is he is a FA in 2013…. IF he’s not traded?

        My guess is for 2013, he is worth over $20m. By then, with Arb raises, is Timmy making over $15m?

        Is 2013 a million years away, or do the Yankees consider this when making plans for the next 2 years?

  52. Jimmy says:

    I had a terrible nightmare last night that the Devils went against their time-tested successful formula to sign a superstar sniper and that the huge contract impacted the defense so badly that it exposed Martin Brodeur as an aging has-been and the team went back into their early 80′s funk. Scary stuff.

  53. Salty Buggah says:

    Tim Tebow. That is all.

    /Ignores the ineptitude of the Texans’ passing defense
    //But I need something to be happy about for this Broncos’ season

    • //But I need something to be happy about for this Broncos’ season

      It’s almost over.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Shoulda started Lloyd in fantasy. I know Houston’s D sucks but with Tim Tebow starting…yikes. Kyle Orton’s been plenty good this year, though. He kidna tailed off towards the ened of the year, but the way I see it there’s several teams that will definitely be looking for a new Quarterback: Minnesota, San Francisco, Arizona, Seattle, Oakland, Buffalo, and Miami. Then there’s some other “maybes” Washington and McNabb’s relation seems to have soured and they may look elsewhere. Carolina still has Jimmy Claussen so I’m unsure they’ll spend the number one pick on a Quarterback, but it will likely be Andrew Luck and you shouldn’t pass on talent like that. Tennessee and Vince Young also seem to be on the rocks…Fisher put the team in a “it’s me or Vince Young” situation and the owner seems to like Young. Cleveland has had some success with Colt McCoy and they might go defense in the first round and ride out the McCoy situation. Cinci, also might want to look for Carson Palmer’s successor. That’s at the most twelve teams that will look to acquire a QB via the draft or a trade. With competition like that if teams like Seattle and Arizona can’t get a good quarterback in the draft or a team like Minnesota doesn’t want to start over with a rookie players like Orton, Vince Young, and Donovan McNabb may have trade value.

    • Jerome S. says:

      Bronco’s fans FTW.

  54. Slappy White says:

    Vikings- Eagles snowed out ? In the NFL ? Dammit, I wanted to see Ole Mike Vick litterally freeze his balls off

  55. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Mentioned this in the OT thread, but since this seems to be the football thread:

    As overrated as I think Eli Manning is, Justin Tuck is probably the most underrated player in the league. I mean, Clay Matthews is the big defensive star of today’s game and guys like Jared Allen and DeMarcus Ware are DPotY candidates every year. I think Tuck’s way better than Clay Matthews and every bit as good as Ware and Allen. Great in run coverage and as good as a pass rusher as there is. Hakeem Nicks is another player who I feel is underrated, the Giants clearly got the luckiest when the Raiders drafted DHB in the first round.

    • Xstar7 says:

      The Giants in general are underrated.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Not really.

        • Xstar7 says:

          Well after their last loss no. They’re a pretty mediocre team that’s just had a relatively easy schedule. But what do I know? I don’t even like football that much, just gives me a team to root for while baseball season is out.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            Meh…one loss isn’t a bad thing. Very few players on good teams end up underrated, usually big pass rushers get overrated…but Justin Tuck is oddly underrated. I think he’s a top ten player in the game. He should be getting a lot more talk. Anytime a TV announcer mentions Jason Pierre Paul’s name they should have to mention Justin Tuck’s name five times.

  56. cano is the bro says:

    does anyone know any good giants blogs? I need to vent my frustration with how much this team SUCKS. I hate this team right now, they are playing like garbage. Eli is fucking terrible and Coughlin’s sorry ass needs to go

  57. Mike says:

    How is it Coughlins fault for five fucking turnovers ?? Don’t jump on the coach. Tell the fucking Jacobs and Bradshaw to hold onto the ball . Eli played horrible and where was that great D ??

    • cano is the bro says:

      turnovers are a mistake that can be corrected and the giants have been doing it all year. As head coach, its coughlin’s responsibility to correct these mistakes and he hasn’t. There is no discipline among the team right now. He has been a good coach but i think that if the giants miss the playoffs again this year because of another collapse, then he needs to take the blame and go.

      • Mike says:

        Cano please. .How can a coach correct turnovers ???? He can’t hold the ball for the running backs. Please i’m not buying the dicipline crap either. . This isn’t the Marines. .its a football team. .and errors happen just like in baseball. If you want Bill Cohwer.. just say so.

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          Coughlin corrected Barber’s fumble problems…there’s been other coaches who implement schemes to limit interceptions, but with an offense that features Ahmad Bradshaw, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham, and Steve Smith your best bet is to live with the turnovers.

        • cano is the bro says:

          I disagree. While turnovers cant be completely corrected its clear that Coughlin isn’t getting across one of the biggest fundamentals of football: ball security. Alot of the turnovers have been caused by careless mistakes like tipped passes and fumbling the handoffs, along with 75% of it being caused by Eli’s shittiness. Whatever though, if the giants dont make the playoffs someone needs to go and since we are stuck with shitty Eli, it’s gotta be coughlin. I’ll take Cohwer

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Challenging the Jacobs fumble cost the team quite a bit too. The Giants are a solid team, but lets stop acting like a good coach and they’re 13-3. Eli’s overrated, and will never be an elite quarterback. He’s prone to interceptions and shitty decision making.

  58. Hughesus Christo says:

    lol @ Eli “playing poorly”

    Coughlin’s horrible decision making combined with a defensive collapse leads to what you see here.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      69.6 QB rating.

    • cano is the bro says:

      yeah for real. Coughlin has been fucking up a lot recently, because he didnt have any challenges left, that Eli INT in the 4th quarter would have been reversed and we might have had a chance. Also wtf is going on with the D? I really hope we draft a stud LB in next years draft as well as OL. I wish we weren’t stuck with Eli for so long. I’ve defended him in the past but I’ve come to accept that most of the time he is either mediocre or sucks.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        No, they wouldn’t of had a chance. Coaches miss challenges all the time, it’s a reality of the game. The Packers scored 45 points and the Giants scored 17, you’re telling me that one turn over would have been the difference? And who’s to say that Eli didn’t get the fourth pick later in that drive? Stop being obtuse, Coughlin’s a mediocre coach, yeah…but the team’s suck is the reason why they lost not Coughlin.

        • cano is the bro says:

          Yeah, it would have been a long shot but if I remember we were down 2 TD’s in the 4th with time left when that INT happened. I’m not saying we win the game or anything but who knows what happened if that gets overturned. You are right though the defense was definitely the biggest issue. At least it might not have been such a bad blowout….

    • Mike says:

      What awful decision did Coughlin make ?? besides the red flag challenge. Eli Sucked our Defense sucked and 5 turnovers cost us the game . .NOT Coughlin

    • Hughesus Christo says:

      QB Rating is the worst stat anyone has the balls to cite in any sport. 3 of 4 INTS were:

      1 – Obvious out of bounds that couldn’t be reviewed because Coughlin is retarded
      2 – A dumpoff that bounced off the RB’s hands and into a LB
      3 – A hail mary down 21 points with 4 minutes left.

      Box score NFL analysis makes box score MLB analysis look like string theory.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        He completed 17 passes, stop acting like he didn’t suck.

        • Hughesus Christo says:

          Note sure what “He completed 17 passes” is supposed to count for, but your opinions on this game have already proven to be terrible. Let’s just move on.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            All I read was “I’m a homer who has sand in my vagina because my team lost.” Stop acting like Eli played well, QBs get tip picks all the fucking time. Happens to Romo, Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, and everyone else. He attempted 33 passes and only completed 17, Aaron Rodgers completed 25 on 37 attempts, that’s a good day. Eli’s day was not.

            • Hughesus Christo says:

              Aaron Rodger would be the greatest athlete in the history of human athletic competition if he repeated today every week. You just cited QB Rating and a gross INT stat over the course of one game (that you don’t appear to have watched) as if we were all counting the seconds until Jimmy McNulty would grace us with his opinions on the 4pm football game and/or you’re being paid to offer shallow NFL impressions. Since neither is the case, I’m not sure why you think I ro anyone else cares to close read your piss poor view of today’s Giants game.

              • Jimmy McNulty says:

                I’m not the one pretending that Eli Manning didn’t suck massive balls today. You’re the one that blames the coach for a 45-17 loss. Yes, this combined with the loss to the Eagles probably means you need to reevaluate Tom Coughlin’s job status, but it’s not all his fault. His players simply weren’t as good as the players that the Packers had. Yes, Coughlin made some decisions that cost his team some points…but the Packers simply dominated the Giants. There’s no one person to blame here.

                • Hughesus Christo says:

                  The Giants’ players are plenty good. The offensive and defensive schemes have been getting solved at halftime every week for 5 years (save for 12/07-1/08), and the special teams are always horrible. Who else takes responsibility for that garbage? His sepia-toned approach to football has handcuffed this roster since the day he stepped into the coach’s office.

    • I don’t get how Coughlin’s decisions = turnovers. He’s not out there throwing the picks (though many this season have not been entirely Eli’s fault).

      • Hughesus Christo says:

        Decisions like “Refused to replace Kevin Gilbride at any point in the last 5 years,” “Jumbled the entire offensive line of a rolling team in Week 15,” and “Ordered a hands team that didn’t cover for an onside kick versus Philly last week,” are the kinds of things that go way beyond any individual game. The only good coaching performance we’ve ever seen under the Coughlin regime is in St. Louis now. Everything else is comically bad special teams play, penalties, fumbles, and late season collapses.

        • Decisions like “Refused to replace Kevin Gilbride at any point in the last 5 years,”

          You’ll get no argument from me on that point. I HATE Killdrive. But, I doubt that’s wholly a Coughlin decision.

          Everything else is comically bad special teams play, penalties, fumbles, and late season collapses.

          Yep, all that stuff happens, but it’s not all on the coach. Execution falls directly on the players, doesn’t it? Granted, if they’re put in bad situations there’s only so much they can do. I’d like to see the play calling changed a lot (as mentioned) but I’m not too mad w/TC.

          • Hughesus Christo says:

            You realize Tom Coughlin has never won a playoff game in NY without Steve Spagnuolo, right? Does that make an ounce of sense with the talent levels on these rosters since he’s been around? It’s like habitual underachievement makes it okay to underachieve.

            Go check out how St. Louis has been going in the last 3 years and let that all marinate.

            • Mike Axi says:

              I’m not even a Giants fan and this made my head hurt. What does St. Louis’ last three years have to do with anything? Wasn’t Spagnuolo in NY for those three years?

              Your comments reminds me of the people who relate Don Zimmer’s departure with the Yankees early playoff exits last decade, although a recognize the difference between a bench coach and a DC.

              • Hughesus Christo says:

                What?

                1. Spagnuolo has been in St. Louis for 2 seasons. They were absolutely atrocious the season before he got there. That’s 3 years.

                2. Comparing Spagnuolo’s DC role to Zimmers is absolutely ridiculous. Tom Coughlin’s involvement with the defense doesn’t go beyond old man yelling.

                Sparknotes:
                The Giants won the Super Bowl because of a defense Coughlin played little to no role in orchestrating. The creator of that defense is thriving in St. Louis while Coughlin continues to employ Kevin Gilbride and bungles big games on the reg with a superior roster.

                • Mike Axisa says:

                  I meant in two of the last three, my bad. I’m still wrong. I thought this was his first year in St. Louis. As you can tell, my football knowledge is encyclopedic.

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  Sparknotes:
                  The Giants won the Super Bowl because of a defense Coughlin played little to no role in orchestrating. The creator of that defense is thriving in St. Louis while Coughlin continues to employ Kevin Gilbride and bungles big games on the reg with a superior roster.

                  And a miracle catch by David Tyree, a dropped catch in the endzone by Patrick Crayton, Brett Favre being Brett Favre, and a dropped interception by Asante Samuel. The luck door swings both ways.

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              Mike Shannahan hasn’t won a playoff game without John Elway. Big fucking deal. The Giants experienced an incredible run of luck in the 07 playoffs and obviously they won’t replicate that. Jesus Christ, your team lost, get over it. Yes, Coughlin may need to get fired before he goes all Wade Phillips, but stop acting like that with a new coach that tehy’re the best team in the NFL.

              • And people say Jets fans are annoying…

                (They are but Giants fans get bad as well)

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  All football fans are annoying as shit when their team loses. Most people don’t understand football and try to make excuses out the ass to make their favorite player look less shitty. Football’s a team game more so than any other sport, and they make excuses out the ass and phrase the stats to make their guys look good.

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          “Refused to replace Kevin Gilbride at any point in the last 5 years,”

          Not entirely a Coughlin decision.

          “Jumbled the entire offensive line of a rolling team in Week 15,” and “Ordered a hands team that didn’t cover for an onside kick versus Philly last week,”

          Yeah, he’s gotta rotate the offensive line to keep everyone fresh. The hands team that didn’t cover an onside kick…yeah shit happens.

          And stop blaming everything on Spagnola leaving. The Giants have been a better team than the Rams since Spagnola left.

          • Hughesus Christo says:

            The Giants’ assistant staff IS totally Coughlin’s decision. He hires them. They might dictate that someone be fired, but Coughlin’s hands aren’t ties on his assistants. That’s a joke.

            A hands team that doesn’t look for an onside kick is asinine and absolutely negligent coaching.

            Comparing Spagnuolo going to a gutted, 1-15 Rams team to the Giants is hilardiculous. My brain is about to explode. Once again, a guy pumping QB Rating and 3 ghost INTs talking about people who “don’t understand football.”

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              The Giants’ assistant staff IS totally Coughlin’s decision. He hires them. They might dictate that someone be fired, but Coughlin’s hands aren’t ties on his assistants. That’s a joke.

              Yeah he should really look to get rid of Gilbride, but he’s far from the only coach who is loyal to shitty assistants.

              A hands team that doesn’t look for an onside kick is asinine and absolutely negligent coaching.

              So fire the s/t coach, I’m starting to think that you have very little idea how real NFL teams work and operate on a daily basis. A head coach only has so many hours in the day and can only accomplish so much. Prepping the hands team on special teams is usually one of his last concerns.

              Comparing Spagnuolo going to a gutted, 1-15 Rams team to the Giants is hilardiculous. My brain is about to explode. Once again, a guy pumping QB Rating and 3 ghost INTs talking about people who “don’t understand football.”

              Spagnuolo is doing a great job with the Rams. He got a team with some talent and room to work. He also plays in the shittiest division in football where a 7-9 record might get you in the playoffs. Besides, they went 1-15 the season they got Spagnuolo, they had a pretty shitty franchise direction but their roster is not without talent. Three ghost INTs, come the fuck on. Tipped interceptions happen, INTs on Hail Marrys happen, other fans don’t get vaginal infections everytime it happens to one of their favorite players. Look at the Rams’ schedule before you get all excited about Steve Spagnuolo. They had one good victory over a team that has real underachieving issues. .

  59. Teh Comp Pick says:

    I’m curios what TEX is paying Brandon Webb. The Yanks should have been on that in my humble opinion. He’s a proven stud, and if he get’s back to 60% of what he once was, he’ll be reliable. Cash must be really committed to not improving the rotation.

    /Takes unnecessary shot at the end there.

  60. Monteroisdinero says:

    Was visiting Manhattan this weekend (I live in Virginia now) and went into Mickey Mantle’s restaurant on CPW. Jeter’s 2009 Gold Glove award/trophy is there and is for sale.

    35K

    I was surprised-guess it goes to the Turn2 Foundation. Lots of other good stuff. How about a ball signed by the Babe.

    25K

    • Stratman9652@aol.com says:

      Even though thats a pretty huge chunk of change those prices actually seem pretty low. You could get ten times that on Ebay I bet.

  61. China Joe says:

    Is it possible the best team in NY at the moment is…the Knicks?

    • AJ says:

      No its not possible. It’s a ridiculous thing to say.

      • AJ says:

        Boston, Miami, San Antonio, Dallas, Orlando, Los Angeles, Oklahoma City and Atlanta are all much better.

        • China Joe says:

          I said the best team in NY (It’s an acronym, it stands for “New York”)

        • China Joe says:

          I was comparing the current state of New York sports teams, not the NBA in general.

        • Sandman42 says:

          That’s still good enough for a 5 seed and a playoff series. At this rate, Giants are out, Yankees won’t compete in the AL East when Pettitte announces his retirement, Jets are in (backing in) and hockey is irrelevant.

          • bexarama says:

            Yankees won’t compete in the AL East when Pettitte announces his retirement

            o ok

            • Accent Shallow says:

              There was the guy in the other thread who was touting David Phelps.

              I can’t decide if I should be impressed by Phelps’ nice HR-rate — Trenton really suppresses HRs, as do the Yankees’ other MiLB parks. Still, his rate is pretty good (0.5/9).

          • Total Dominication says:

            Hehe, very funny on the last 1. WHo’s gonna take the wild card, the White Sox/Twins loser? Yeah right.

            • AJ says:

              I think the Red Sox are a better all around team than the Yanks right now. But I think we can contend with or without Pettitte, but it won’t be easy. Boston has great pitching depth and an excellent lineup. Yankees are thinner at SP, though their lineup is very good.

              Jon Lester CC Sabathia
              Josh Beckett Phil Hughes
              Clay Bucholz AJ Burnett
              John Lackey Ivan Nova
              Daisuke Matsuzaka Sergio Mitre

              Jeter Ellsbury
              Swisher Pedroia
              Teixeira Crawford
              A-Rod A. Gonzalez
              Cano Youkilis
              Posada Ortiz
              Granderson Drew
              Martin Saltalamacchia
              Gardner Scutaro

              Mariano Papelbon
              Feliciano Bard
              Robertson Jenks
              Joba Dan Wheeler

              • AJ says:

                Sorry for the weird formatting.

              • Total Dominication says:

                Oh don’t get me wrong, I think we’re worse than the sox. I just don’t think that’s the same thing as not being able to compete, since we seem to be set for a playoff spot even now. Just not for the division title.

                • AJ says:

                  Oh of course, I understood what you meant. I really wrote it in response to Yankee fans who refuse to be upset when something doesn’t go our way. I’m not saying we have to be ultra panicky like some fans, but the people that refuse to admit that not getting Cliff Lee sucked or that the Sox getting both Crawford and Gonzalez is a bad thing because “Crawford’s contract will bite the Red Sox in the end” is optimism at its worst.

                  I think the Yankees can and will compete, and I even think that Andy will be back next year for one more ride. But if he doesn’t, the Yanks may be in serious trouble when October 2011 rolls around.

                  • Mike Axisa says:

                    I hear you. This offseason has by all accounts sucked, but the Yankees aren’t going to fall into fourth place all of a sudden. Blind optimism can be definitely be annoying.

                    I don’t worry too much about the Yankees and their playoff outlook right now because a) it’s so far away, and b) anything can happen in a short series. They could have Philadelphia’s rotation and still get swept.

                    • AJ says:

                      True, but my concern isn’t that they’ll fall into fourth as much as it’s them falling to second and getting bounced in the playoffs. Anything can happen in the playoffs but the Yankees have the resources to put themselves in a more assured position. But you’re right, it’s far away and Cashman may pull some moves off by then.

                    • Jimmy McNulty says:

                      They could have Philadelphia’s rotation and still get swept.

                      I think this is kinda dumb. Yes, shitty teams fluke their way to championships and great teams get the short end of the stick, but I’d much rather have the great team everytime. In 2009 I’m sure everyone here got mad at the posters who said “The best team doesn’t always win” or any other comments that are pretty much the opposite of what you’re saying. Bottom line that going into the season with Nova and Sergio Mitre as the 4/5 starters where Boston has a clear edge is a pretty scary proposition. I’m not suggesting that they will miss the playoffs it’s just that there is a very real chance that they will miss the playoffs. Good teams loose to worse teams in the playoffs, I wouldn’t at all be surprised that a 88 win team on paper with a staff as shitty as the Yanks’ and as many key aging parts loses out the WC to an 85 or so win team with a better staff and an easier schedule.

                  • Sandman42 says:

                    Yanks can compete for a playoff spot, but as the roster is currently constructed, I don’t think they’ll make it. Everyone is only focusing on Boston (who has to be considered the #1 team in the division now). I don’t know why people are writing off Tampa though, as if losing Crawford and Pena will mean they won’t be good. Tampa won the division and had the best pitching in the division last year. Soriano is good but can be replaced, the rays probably have the top 2 pitching prospects in baseball (don’t count chapman at this point). Just saying at this point, it looks like it will be a tough season atleast on a pitching level to stay even with these two teams

                    • AJ says:

                      Well the Rays lost Crawford, Peña, Bartlett, Grant Balfour, Dan Wheeler, Randy Choate AND Joaquin Benoit. That’s a lot of Bullpen, depth, power and speed to lose for any time. Particularly one in the AL East. Their rotation is still great and they have some young guys coming up but added up their losses are devastating.

    • mike c says:

      it’s still the jets. 10-5 is a good season, next sunday is a throwaway game

      • China Joe says:

        The Knicks are at about the level the Jets are now, except the Knicks are the young team on the rise, building toward future success, and the Jets are the team who signed a bunch of unstable veterans in an attempt to win the Super Bowl this year, and ended up the 4th or 5th best team in the AFC.

  62. NY Rangers prospects Chris Kreider and Ryan Borque (Ray Borque’s son) playing for the USA in the World Junior Classic.

  63. Son of Sekhmet says:

    I for one am enjoying the remarkable “The Sound Of Music”
    Great Songs.

  64. AJ says:

    Why is it that almost all Adam Sandler movies are terrible?

  65. Reggie C. says:

    Played in my fantasy league’s championship game and have taken the lead (so far) though my opponent plays DeSean Jackson and the Philly Kicker. Chances are I go down Tuesday night. nonetheless, in my first year of playing FF, I enjoyed enough success to want to do this again.

    Anyways, Giants are going to find themselves with another late/mid-round draft pick (16-20). That O-Line needs to get younger ASAP. I hope a damn good OT is available then.

  66. Monteroisdinero says:

    So “Spahn and Sain and pray for rain” was the 1948 poem/phrase for the Boston Braves who only had 2 starters that were any good.

    if Andy retires:

    “CC and Phil and check your will”?

    Suggestions for a slogan?

  67. OldYanksFan says:

    CC and Phil, Then take a pill?
    Phil and CC, then you’ll have to PP?
    Sabathia and Hughes, then we pay our Dues?

  68. Mike Myers says:

    J C Romero is going back to Philly.

  69. Jeff says:

    Phil Hughes needs to lose some weight this offseason, he got a little chunky this past year…

  70. Greg Davenport says:

    Brian you get what you pay for. The granderson syndrome only happens when all those dumb GM’s are on vacation and your burning those cell mins. I believe your a very good gm but some times you have to pay retail. One gets a sense that your attempting to pull a rabbit out of the hat at the stroke of midnight. As rabid fans we have a responsibility to stoke the fires of the GM and through dedication and love of the yanks create an acquisition that may have been missed. See you for pitchers and catchers.

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