Dec
08

Report: Crawford lands in Boston for megabucks

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A Greg Golson throw from right field beats Carl Crawford to third base during the tenth inning of a Rays-Yanks game. (AP Photo/Chris O'Meara)

Update (12/9, 12:58 a.m.): The Boston Red Sox are on the verge of signing Carl Crawford to a seven-year, $142-million contract, Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe and Ken Rosenthal are reporting right now. In pure non-inflation-adjusted dollars, the deal makes Carl Crawford the highest paid outfield ever, and the big-market Red Sox have spent the dollars they had coming off the books this year.

The Sox, clear off-season winners so far, had long been a likely landing spot for Crawford, but after acquiring Adrian Gonzalez and locking him up long term, many assumed the Sox would be out. But Theo Epstein and Co. know they have a market advantage and knew they had the dollars to spend. So spend it they did. For $300 million in long-term deals plus three prospects, the Red Sox have sealed the holes left by the departures of Adrian Beltre and Victor Martinez and have added two potent left-handed bats.

For the Yankees, this move will, of course, raise some eyebrows and perhaps intensify their pursuit of left-handed pitching. At one point today, it appeared as though Crawford would emerge as a Yankee target. The club had the payroll space to afford him, and it seemed as though Yankee brass would consider signing Crawford in order to flip Brett Gardner, Nick Swisher or Curtis Granderson in the event that Cliff Lee signs elsewhere. It is not to be. The Bombers, though, never even made an offer, according to one report.

In fact, it now appears as though the Yanks’ interest was purely a negotiating tactic. They talked to Crawford to drive up his price, and now Ken Rosenthal says that Boston did the same with Cliff Lee. The Red Sox, says the Fox Sports reporter, made Lee a seven-year offer at a lower salary than he would take in order to force the Yankees to pay more. The Yanks’ interest in Crawford over the last 24 hours clearly raised some eyebrows in New England.

Meanwhile, a deal of this magnitude surely sends more shockwaves through an already-inflated market. Crawford’s deal tops Jayson Werth’s by $16 million over the same period of time, and Lee stands to make just as much as Crawford, if not more, over a shorter period of time.

In the near time, Yankee fans are sure to wring their hands over this. Does it become more imperative to land Cliff Lee? Perhaps a little, but it shouldn’t force the Yanks to pay even more. At most, it will make the Yanks intensify their efforts at finding another lefty out of the bullpen and could cause them to apply more pressure on Andy Pettitte to return. “It’s not going to change the way we allocate our money,” Brian Cashman said this evening.

The question being bandied about right now though concerns this contract. Is it a good one? Crawford is coming off of his age 28 season, which was his best, and is primed to cash in during his peak seasons. He’s a career .296/.337/.444 hitter with a 107 career OPS+. He’s never hit more than 19 home runs but is good for around 50 stolen bases a year. He also plays a premiere left field, but his defensive impact will be negated a bit by the Green Monster. (Check out Baseball Musings for more on how Crawford and his speed will decline with age.)

It’s certainly not a deal I would have wanted the Yanks to dole out, but I can see why the Red Sox did. It’s a fine one in this market, and it reinforces what we already knew: The 2011 Boston Red Sox will be a top team in the AL East. Meanwhile, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim won’t get their number one off-season target, and the Tampa Bay Rays have gotten weaker. That’s the way the cookie crumbles.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • Granderslam

    Bah to them.

  • Jay

    Lovely

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    FFFFFUUUUUUUUU

  • xnyles

    Lee price goes Up

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    Seven years for over $20M each? That’s so not Theo.

    They’re stacked. Meh, so are we, bring it on.

    • candyforstalin

      the cardinals are happy.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Their line up features:

      Crawford
      Pedroia
      Gonzo
      Youkilis
      Ortiz
      Drew
      Cameron
      Scutaro
      Saltalamacchia/Varitek

      Their rotation as I demonstrated yesterday is demonstrably better than the Yankee rotation. Better pitching, offense, and defense. The Yankees at this point are NOT stacked. They’d need a bounce back from Alex and Derek along with Swisher, Cano, and Gardner performing like they did last year in order to be considered “stacked” the same way that the Yankees are. I admire your confidence, but…it is COMPLETELY unwarranted. Especially with the way the Lee negotiations are playing out…yeah things aren’t going too well in Yankeeland. Though, I guess you might be okay with missing the playoffs with a 180M dollar payroll.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        I don’t care about the division, never have. As long as the Yankees make the playoffs that is all that matters, and the Yankees are in perfect shape for that.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          As long as the Yankees make the playoffs that is all that matters, and the Yankees are in perfect shape for that.

          And get bounced in the first round…were not fucking Twins fans, we shouldn’t be aiming for first round exits. Jesus Fucking Christ what happened to this world.

          • The Fallen Phoenix

            You’re right, because the Yankees didn’t sweep the Twins in the first round last year.

            …oops.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Yeah, the Yankees might not get the Twins this time around

              …OOPS

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                Since when are they guaranteed to lose to any non-Twins team they play in the first round?

                • Jimmy McNulty

                  Since the very real possibility that their rotation is: CC, Hughes, Shit, Shit, and Shittier Shit.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

            I hate it when people like you get so dramatic. It makes me want to… light myself on fire!!

            • FIPster Doofus

              “I thought the homosexuals were pirates, but it turns out they’re just actors in the local theater.”

              • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

                If that’s a veiled criticism of me, I don’t understand it and won’t respond to it.

                • FIPster Doofus

                  You might want to lean away from that fire since you’re soaked in alcohol.

                • whozat

                  It’s an Arrested Development reference

                  • FIPster Doofus

                    So was Doug’s post. :)

                • boogie down

                  “Great, so now we don’t have a car or a jet? Why don’t we just take an ad out in I’m Poor magazine?”

                  • FIPster Doofus

                    Watch out for hop-ons. You’re gonna get some hop-ons.

                    • boogie down

                      VERY well-played

                • king of fruitless hypotheticals

                  you said fire, he quoted arrested development.

                  take it easy vhsmp…why dont you sit this next one out, stop talking for while?

                • boogie down

                  Though this is the easiest one to misconstrue as a serious statement, I’m amazed that people have remembered the other AD quotes but not this one.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Wrestling and AD, I like your style

            • Poopy Pants

              Like when Theo wasn’t getting Gonzo?

      • ChrisR

        Forgot to mention Youkilis, Pedroia, Cameron are all coming off of injuries. Plus scutaro had some sort of enjury as well.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          You know who else is coming off injuries? Alex Rodriguez and Jorge Posada…older than Youkilis and Cameron. Gardner just had surgery, as did Sabathia. Pettitte had back issues, Granderson was hurt last year too, not to mention Derek’s shittastic year. Yeah…things still suck in Yankee land. But hey, at least we might be able to by ALWC champion T-Shirts!!!!!

          • cg

            no one is older than mike cameron

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Yes, and no pitcher on Boston’s staff is shittier than AJ. Big fucking deal. Cameron is such an inconsequential part of their offense it’s not even funny.

              • BigDavey88

                Dice K.

                And are one of those people that Josh Beckett is an ace?

                Please…

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            Yeah…things still suck in Yankee land.

            Fuck no they don’t. It’s motherfucking Yankee land.

      • Montero1220

        Oh please. Get off your high horse.

      • The Fallen Phoenix

        Yeah, you’re incorrect. Boston’s rotation is not demonstrably better than the Yankee rotation, and has not been since 2008. Yankees are still Boston’s equal or better – in overall production, offense + defense – at five or six positions.

        Yes, Boston is a very strong team on paper right now. Nobody should be denying that. But you know what? Tampa Bay has already taken some pretty big steps back this year, too. The fact that Boston has just about pulled even with the Yankees, when the Yankees haven’t really made a single offseason addition (short of saying Montero will be the starting catcher), says a lot about how strong the Yankees were heading into 2011.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          The Red Sox “pulled even” with the Yankees the same way that Paul Walker pulled even with Vin Diesel at the end of the Fast and the Furious. Look at Lackey and Beckett’s advanced stats then look at AJ and Andy’s; after that try to tell me that the Red Sox rotation isn’t better.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            You’re awfully excited and eager about this, aren’t you?

            • Jimmy McNulty

              I’m still waiting on how the Yankees are “stacked” in any sort of relative manner to the Red Sox…but I’m pretty fucking pissed about this.

              • The Fallen Phoenix

                The Yankees’ left fielder gets on base at a better clip than Boston’s left fielder, and defends just as well but in a park where that defense is much more valuable.

                The Yankees’ center fielder is all-around better than the Red Sox’ center fielder, and it’s not even close.

                The Yankees’ right fielder affords comparable – arguably better – production than Boston’s right fielder, and carries none of the injury risk.

                The Yankees’ first baseman is basically a switch-hitting version of Boston’s first baseman, although granted youth is on Boston’s side. Still, both are in their primes and excellent defenders.

                The Yankees’ second baseman just came off a career year that was better than Boston’s second baseman’s career year. Also carries none of the injury risk.

                The Yankees’ shortstop is about as old (and productive) as the Red Sox’s old shortstop, but has a longer track record of success. Marco Scutaro has had, what, three good seasons in his entire career?

                The Yankees’ third baseman is STILL one of the top power bats in all of baseball despite his advanced age. Honestly, this is the only position thus far I’d be giving the Red Sox a clear edge, and it’s still close to a push.

                I’m not sure that Ortiz is that much better than Posada, once Posada’s removed from the everyday wears-and-tears of catching, to be honest. Even if he is, the Yankees have the best catching prospect in all of baseball against the Ghost of Saltamacchia and Super Captain.

                Yeah, again, I’ll take my chances with the Yankees.

                • Jimmy McNulty

                  Oh the LULZ, 3B is the only position where the Red Sox might have the clear edge…Crawford >>>> Gardner, and I like Gardner.

            • Poopy Pants

              Why is honesty met with such anger here?

          • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

            You seem thrilled.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Well at home I stepped outside and punted the neighbor’s dog across the sandtrap in anger over this, and the mods would ban me if I expressed how I really felt about that team up north.

              • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

                “That team up north”

                What are you, mid-90s WCW?

                • Jimmy McNulty

                  I hope Cliff Lee signs with the Yankees and puts the Red Sox in a Scorpion Deathlock.

                  • Jim Duggan

                    Hooooooooo!

          • JerseyDutch

            That’s a horrible analogy. You could at least reference one of Vin Diesel’s better films, like… uh… er… give me a minute…

            • Alex

              saving private ryan was pretty good…wouldn’t you say?

              • http://jukeofurl.wordpress.com Juke Early

                atta boy Alex – though if you watch it a second time, it’s obvious it’s just Vin being Vin ;-)

          • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

            Typical self-loathing internet Yankees fan.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Typical homer?

              • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

                Typical McNulty response.

                /Whatarewedoing’d

              • http://jukeofurl.wordpress.com Juke Early

                Jimmy doesn’t seem a typical anything. But if a fan isn’t a homer, what’s the point? If the Rat Sox vanished from the Earth I’d be at least 50% happier on a daily basis. And anyone of those S.H. rats would say the same thing about the NYY. Only they’d slur their words & smell of cheap whiskey.

        • Yankeedog

          We need to beef up that bullpen and a strong bench.
          Scott Downs and Kerry Wood to go with Joba, Robertson, Logan and Mariano. We need to get Russell Martin to back-up Montero and a strong 4th outfielder and back-up infielder.
          The days of Pena, Golson and Cervelli on our bench are done…

          Otherwise, we might as well forget about 2011 and 2012.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        And as I said yesterday, you constantly assume doom and gloom for the Yankees and the best for the other teams, especially the Red Sox. You seem awfully excited about proving how much better they are than us in every aspect.

        Especially with the way the Lee negotiations are playing out…

        How exactly are they playing out? No one knows anything.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          This is one of those “no news is bad news” types of things. Also, I love how when someone praises another team and it’s obviously factually true they get their throats jumped down, but when someone praises the Yankees in a factually untrue manner (e.g. the Yankees are stacked!!!!! the YANKES CAN STILL TAKE THEM!!!! FINALLY SOME COMPETITION!!!!! no one says shit. )

          Face facts, as of right now the Red Sox are about three or four wins better than the Yankees right now.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            Also, I love how when someone praises another team and it’s obviously factually true they get their throats jumped down,

            Funny that you say that because I made a point of saying how stacked Boston is and then you jumped all over me saying how the Yankees aren’t. Offseason still needs to be sorted out. If we don’t get Lee or Pettitte or anyone else, yeah I’ll panic. At this point, we are definitely at a disadvantage, I’d say, but there’s still so much to be done. Until the rosters are finalized it’s pointless to trot out win predictions… like you did yesterday.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              I was the only one who had a realistic take on this signing. And yeah, pointing out that Lester (on a rate basis) is a better pitcher than CC, Buchholz is better than Hughes, Burnett is better than AJ, and Lackey is better than Andy is also pointless too…awesome.

              • “The Patriot” Del Wilkes

                Burnett is better than AJ huh? Very interesting

                Sad part is…that one is the most factual. The rest are your mere opinion.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                I was the only one who had a realistic take on this signing.

                No, no you weren’t.

          • king of fruitless hypotheticals

            Dude, you’re like global warming.

            if its hot, global warming.
            if it snows in TX/FL, global warming.

            relax…ITS A GAME.

            also, #andyiscomingback

      • KyleLitke

        Right this second, Boston has better starting pitching. The offense is not necessarily better..it’s comparable, I wouldn’t call it worse, but depending on Montero it’s not necessarily better. I like the Yankee bullpen better too (well, I like their closer better, the rest is a tossup). Are the Red Sox a better team right now? Yes. Are they if the Yankees sign Lee, bring back Pettitte (or a comparable pitcher), and get a pretty good lefty reliever? Not so sure I’d go there. It’d be two comparable teams, with the Red Sox potentially having a better all around, 162 game team if their starters stay healthy, but the Yankees being more dangerous in a short series (I’d take CC/Lee/Pettitte over Lester/Beckett/Bucholz or Lackey any day, although the Boston trio would be better than most teams).

        If the Yankees get Lee, it could be a very interesting race. If they don’t, well…I’m not so sure I see why you think they’d miss the playoffs. Even minus Lee, who’s so much better for the Wild Card? Rays are taking a huge hit and the Angels just lost a big offensive piece that they wanted/needed. Without Lee I think Boston wins the division, but I still like the Yankees for the Wild Card.

      • Matty C

        I agree. I think my beloved Yanks got drubbed by the Rangers in the regular season and equally demolished by the Sox now this off season. Just to create a perception of equality between themselves and the Sox, the Yanks will offer an old pitcher who got rocked in his last start an unprecedented deal for 7 years.

        But make no mistake, even with Lee, they are not as good as the Sox. They need Lee now just to stay competitive and keep pace in the court of public opinion– but if Lee chooses the state and city he prefers, on paper at least, the Yanks won’t be able to touch the Sox next year. They have one solid starter, Hughes is shaky at best, and AJ is just…gone. AJ is almost an automatic loss. He will never recover from his epic debacle of a season with such a notoriously weak mental game.

        Never mind the fact that Lee and his wife despise NYC and the fans, who will now have to root for this guy while his wife reluctantly drops Yankee $ at Bergdorf’s in a pathetic attempt not to look so much like Miss Piggy.

        As if missing the playoffs in 2011 with a 200+ MM payroll won’t be enough of an embarrassment, imagine what the team will look like in a few years when they are tethered to a core of 39-40 year old ex-stars across the board in Jeter, A-Rod, Lee, CC, and with no closer. It will be the joke of all jokes in Yankee team history.

        So the Sox are shining, having just added two under 30 studs. The Yanks outbid themselves on an aging .270 SS with no power and grounds into a ton of DPs, and are offering crazy money to a 32 year old pitcher for 7 years? Bravo.

      • pete

        Crawford: brilliant defensively, solid offensively; tops out at around a 130 wRC+ in most years. Fenway’s not wildly lefty-friendly, so I would not anticipate his repeating his career year of 2010.

        Pedroia: coming off injury, very pedestrian numbers on the road; not on Cano’s level offensively. Period.

        Gonzo: great hitter. no arguments here.

        Youkilis: also a great hitter, but also coming off of injury.

        Ortiz: nothing special anymore; solid DH overall.

        Drew: very injury prone, old, starting to fall off offensively

        Cameron: coming off injury, old as shit, not good enough offensively to DH

        Scutaro: had a career year offensively in 2009, has otherwise been a below average offensive player; basically equal to Jeter, and that’s if Jeter doesn’t rebound

        Saltalamacchia/Varitek: both horrible. Just horrible, horrible, horrible players. On both sides of the ball.

        The Yankee Lineup, meanwhile, features the following:

        Jeter
        Granderson
        Tex
        A-Rod
        Cano
        Swish
        Posada
        Montero
        Gardner

        You’re blinded, I think by the fact that A-Rod and Jeter aren’t what they once were. Alex is still an extremely productive hitter, and Jeter is still one of the best overall shortstops in the league.

        As far as the rotations go, we’ve got CC and Hughes locked up, and it appears that we’re the favorites for Lee. Burnett is a question mark, as is Pettitte’s return/replacement. Nonetheless, look at Boston’s rotation: beyond Lester and Buccholz, it’s just as suspect

  • bonestock94

    Good. Just get Lee and Pettitte, shit on them, and then wait for new creative excuses.

  • FIPster Doofus

    I assumed Boston would end up settling for a Willingham type. This is absolutely awful.

  • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

    DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

  • Tyme

    Hurts now but the last few years of that contract are going to look bad. Yankees plan doesn’t change much, as long as sign Lee we are still the team to beat. I for one really like our outfield as is, if we cant get Lee though we don’t have Crawford as a backup. Get it done Cash!

  • mbonzo

    Soo the Red Sox have a pretty good team now huh?

  • Montero1220

    I’m starting to feel like we’re going to end up empty handed this offseason. This is what happens when Cashman puts all his eggs in one basket. That’s a lot of money for the Sox though.

    *Sigh*

    Cliff Lee please just sign with us already.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      Yes blame Cashman for going after the best FA that meets their biggest need….

    • nathan

      Wait are you sure you are talking abt the Yanks. This is not metsblog

  • Evilest Empire

    Yankees never needed Crawford unless we had to trade away one of the current OFs to fill a different need. This is about to officially become a two team division again.

  • Rey22

    Meh, I was kinda hoping to have to see Crawford only when we faced the Angels.

  • Eric Young

    That’s all it took? Boras should take some of the commission he just made on Werth and buy a giant ad on the Green Monster.

    • Evilest Empire

      How else could a small market team like Boston afford Carl Crawford unless they could convince him to take a pittance like 7 years with a $20M AAV

    • Reggie C.

      Are you kidding? Crawford would be insane not to take that deal! 20MM per…that’s a fantastic offer considering Werth received $18 mm per.

      • deadrody

        Werth gets $126 Mil and Crawford, the better player and 2+ years younger gets a whopping 10% more ?

        That’s highway robbery is what that is.

  • ChrisR

    Not to worried, but the Boston praising will be endless now

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Because it’s ever not?

  • JT

    Question-

    Since Crawford didn’t land with LA.

    Will they throw alot of money at Lee now ?

    • The Big City of Dreams

      they might as well

    • ItsATarp

      they still have beltre

    • Clint Holzner

      also they have soriano

  • ZZ

    What a horrible decision by the Red Sox.

    This time last year they offer Holliday a contract that is a little more than half what they are going to pay Crawford. A contract with that Holliday had no chance of accepting.

    Now they pay just absolutely huge money to Carl Crawford to play in the smallest LF in baseball. A player whose value is massively tied to his defense in LF.

    • Evilest Empire

      AND they threw away $18M on Mike Cameron along the way.

      • Poopy Pants

        You guys are right! The Sox are in deep shit! Maybe they can aim for that 2nd WC spot in a few years!

        • Klemy

          It’s not so much about saying the Sox are in deep shit so much as saying, “Stop jumping off the bridge. They aren’t as great as they are being made out at the moment.”

          Sure, they’ve improved a lot. But saying they’ve already won everything at this moment in time is stupid.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Finally, a challenger.

    In all seriousness, this increases our need for Lee (as if it wasn’t high already). The FA OF options are poop and I really don’t want to see half the farm traded away for Greinke (even though he is great).

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Sign Lee and Pettitte then trade Hughes/Romine/Slade/CoJo or Adams for Greinke.

      • YankeesEVO

        GO AWAY, you are starting to get really really annoying trying to shove your stupid opinions on the Yankees on us. Include Hughes in a trade for Greinke??? What team are you a fan of, go follow them get off this site moron

    • mbonzo

      Yes… I am honestly hoping for another Teixeira situation. Omg please change that MLBTR. “Red Sox… Yankees Agree To Sign Carl Crawford”

  • http://www.onedayonejob.com/ Willy

    If the Sox are willing to spend that much on Crawford, why weren’t they mentioned at all in the Cliff Lee conversation? I understand that they have 5 good/well paid starters, but he’s still worth talking to, right?

    • Joe R

      They offered him 7 years at a lower AAV.

  • Avi

    This is good for the yankees. Crawford just isn’t that good. This will hurt the Red Sox. I thought they were smarter than this.

    • Avi

      Which outfielder are they trading now?
      Also the need for another LOOGY just went up for the Yanks big time.

      • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

        Cameron will be their 8m bench player, insurance for Drew.

        • Avi

          My guess is they trade Ellsbury.

          • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

            For Greinke… watch!

            Ellsbury, Nava, and a few cheeseburgers….

            but boy would I hate to be a prospect in the Red Sox farm right now. Lars Anderson got screwed, Kalish and Reddick got screwed… at least Iglesias has light at the end of the tunnel.

            • Avi

              Ha!
              You know Ellsbury and Iglesias makes a pretty good package for Greinke. Unless KC doesn’t want arbitration eligible guys at all.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Ellsbury and Iglesias wouldn’t even get their foot in the door. A SS that can’t hit and doesn’t project to hit and three years of Ellsbury

                • Avi

                  Probably right. Iglesias is clearly their best prospect now. I don’t think you can say he doesn’t project to hit. When he signed he had the reputation of a hitter and he has some hitting skills like bat speed etc.

    • Adam B

      agreed, what makes crawford so specialare his legs (over 30) and his defense (LF in fenway is a joke).

    • FIPster Doofus

      Crawford is that good; in fact, he’s excellent. Good luck finding other outfielders who can bring his combination of offense, defense and speed to the table. The guy’s a great player. That he signed with Boston sickens me.

      • Avi

        I disagree. Take the steals out of it for a minute. Is he really that good?
        Now ask yourself how valuble 40-60 steals are, how much do they contribute to a team winning?

        • FIPster Doofus

          Steals are absolutely contributory when the base stealer doesn’t get caught that often, and Crawford was successful at swiping the bag just over 82 percent of the time last season. When you combine that, his elite defense and his terrific offensive production, you have a phenomenal player.

          • king of fruitless hypotheticals

            with a CS rate that low, doesnt that man he didnt make enough attempts?

            • FIPster Doofus

              I’d say so. In 2009 Crawford attempted 76 steals – compared to 57 tries last year – and was successful 60 times (79 percent).

          • Avi

            Out of all his steals how many times was he stranded on base anyway? Now how many times would he have scored anyway (i.e an extra base hit) If you break it down I think you’ll see steals are much less valuable than one might think.

            • FIPster Doofus

              Steals are valuable from a player when said player is consistently successful. Crawford is; thus, his speed is an important asset. The same can be said of Gardner, who narrowly beat out Crawford last season with an 84 percent success rate. Obviously if Crawford and Gardy were only succeeding, like, 65 percent of the time, their speed would be overblown.

      • The Fallen Phoenix

        Brett Gardner.

        BOOM! That just happened.

        • Avi

          Gardner’s value comes more from his .390 OBP than his 50 steals.

  • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

    Lot of cash for a mid market team no?

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      What the payroll look like without a Gonzalez extension?

      • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

        Quick math is between 160-170m.

        • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

          Closer to 155, but that’s without filling out their bullpen.

  • djh

    Lee better not go to Texas now, if he does the Yanks have to forget about Grienke’s SAD and go all in for him. I don’t think Pettitte and someone like Nolasco/Floyd will be enough to win the ALE now.

    I gotta admit I am shocked I had a halo on Crawfords head already.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      I gotta admit I am shocked I had a halo on Crawfords head already.

      Oh, really? Now all I see is horns.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        ICWUDT

  • nathan

    The little engine that could… the little engine that could.

    Does this cast a doubt abt AGon signing an extension next year. Boston has appetite for 2 140+M contracts? I think JD Drew comes off soon though.

  • Reggie C.

    Ahhh … Angels … time to step up and match.

    Here’s hoping Angels match the RS offer and Crawford opts for the nicer weather.

  • Jorge

    Yanks didn’t need Crawford unless the team missed out on Lee and planned to sign him in order to trade an OF as part of a package for a frontline starter, which was a bit too Rube Goldberg-ish for me.

    It is what it is. It puts a hell of a lot more pressure on the team to sign Lee. If they don’t, there’s going to be some interesting maneuvering going on to get the rotation where it needs to be to face a formidable, still-unhygenic lineup.

    I hate the Boston Red Sox.

    • Evilest Empire

      This post nails it. My thoughts exactly.

  • ultimate913

    Now I wouldn’t be amazed if Lee stays in Texas to stay away from the “deadly” Red Sox. sigh

  • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

    I can’t believe Carl Crawford is going to make $20+M a year FOR SEVEN YEARS.

    I’m also so very, very glad Boston decided to blow their wad on him rather than Matt Holliday.

    Maybe, with all their lefties, they’re planning on building a new ballpark with mirrored dimensions.

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      they’re tearing down walls as we speak.

    • pat

      They’re actually moving the RF walls in this offseason to make the bullpens bigger. I’m not joking.

  • bonestock94

    The 2010 Red Sox offseason is very reminiscent of the 2008 Yankee offseason.

    • Rey22

      Yep, except theirs is on the offensive side, ours was a bit more pitching-heavy. I’ll take CC and Tex over A-Gon and Crawford anyday.

      • BigBlueAL

        Difference is the Yankees needed pitching in 2008. The Red Sox dont need pitching right now, they need offense and sure as hell got it.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          The Red Sox didn’t really need offense or pitching, they needed healthy players (and bouncebacks from Lackey and Beckett and etc.).

          • BigBlueAL

            I still think they needed some upgrade on offense, especially with VMart and Beltre leaving obviously. Not sure if Crawford is a great or necessary addition but combined with AGon it seems pretty impactful at the moment.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

              That’s true, with the two of them leaving they did need an offensive upgrade. Didn’t consider that. Derp on me.

  • Reggie C.

    espn REPORTING crawford has agreed to the 7 year / $142 million deal.

  • Frigidevil

    Damnit, Gonzalez AND Crawford? Looks like this division’s a two-horse race again. I was really looking forward to the AL East being competitive as hell this year, but Tampa’s going to crash back down to Earth, and Mark Reynolds isn’t going to be enough to make the O’s competitive.

  • bonestock94

    If big stein was still around he’d make sure we signed Lee even if it meant 12 years. I’m not so sure Cashman and his kids won’t do that anyways. I bet this weekend will bring us back to the days of “reactionary signings,” even if Lee was already in the works.

    • bonestock94

      steinbrenner’s kids*…obviously

  • ZZ

    It is amazing how many owners at this time last year tried to fool fans into thinking the economy was impacting their finances.

    MLB has not been hit by the recession one bit. It has become a massive industry that is growing every single year. It is up to a $7 billion dollar per year industry.

    The owners tried to play this fiscally responsible game last year but putting up that facade has ended.

    • Ed

      Yup. If you say “We can’t sign big free agents because of the recession,” the fans will let you off the hook really easily.

      If you say “We don’t want to raise the payroll enough to pay free agents,” the fans get upset and buy less tickets.

    • “The Patriot” Del Wilkes

      They’re just using fiat money created by a private federal reserve that prints it out of thin air and charges interest when the gov’t can create their own without it.

      Big corporations are never fiscally responsible – let alone responsible in general. Apparently everybody has to live within their means except for the gov’t, the banks, and big corporations.

      All in all, I’m not surprised that they’re all spending like Antoine Walker at the the black jack table.

  • Reggie C.

    I guess the Red Sox will run away with the scoring title next season.

  • Anthony Murillo

    *Points out that the Yankees won the division when Boston featured Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz in the prime of their careers*

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      While at the same time, the Yankee pitching staff was in shambles that made the current rotation look like the 1997 Braves.

  • Reggie C.

    Crawford will run crazy against Cervelli and Montero. Perhaps Cashman should start dialing Russell Martin’s agent and start negotiations. Get rid of Cervelli if it comes to it. Cashman needs to strengthen the catching platoon.

    MARTIN / MONTERO for 2011.

    • bonestock94

      Montero/Martin*

    • nathan

      Is he gonna start running more. He will do the same as he did with Tampa.

      I am just so glad the small market teams could sign these deals.

      Folks pointed out .5 B that Yanks spent in 08. Lets see how many articles we see abt the 10 offseason of BoSox

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      Yes. Clearly we should plan our entire organization around one player on one team, who by the way will be playing the same number of games against us as he has every year of his career. Makes complete sense.

      • Riddering

        That’s what drives me crazy about the response of a lot of Yankee fans. It’s not like Crawford is coming from a NL team. Been there, handled that.

  • Sick Nwisher

    7/142 for Carl Crawford?
    Am I missing something? Is he really worthy of this type of contract?

    • Reggie C.

      Jayson Werth ensured that Crawford would join the $ 20 mm per year club.

    • Avi

      No, but i think Werth for 126M is worse than Crawford for 142M (both 7 years)

    • candyforstalin

      of course he’s not. but boston has every right to make stupid contracts too.

    • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

      It’s going to be funny when everyone who was ‘flabbergasted’ by Werth’s deal praises the Red Sox for getting Crawford to agree to a ‘below-market’ deal.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Well, Crawford is now the highest-paid OFer in the history of baseball. So is he really worth that type of contract? No. However, he is an outstanding player nonetheless.

      • Evilest Empire

        Manny Ramirez signed a bigger deal. With the same team, actually.

        • FIPster Doofus

          I got that from Ken Rosenthal’s Twitter: “Crawford highest-paid OF in baseball history – $20.2M per season. Ninth biggest contract of all-time. #RedSox #MLB”

          • Evilest Empire

            Semantics. I’ll take 8/160 with two $20M options over 7/142.

            • FIPster Doofus

              Well, I’m just letting you know the source so you don’t think I made it up.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          I’m sure Barry topped the AAV at some point as well.

          • Ed

            Bonds peaked at $20m for the ’05 season. That deal had an $18m AAV.

        • Ed

          Manny got one year more than Crawford, but Crawford got a little more per year. Depends which side of it you care about.

          • Evilest Empire

            Manny had two $20M team options which Boras eventually leveraged into a $2/45M deal from the Dodgers.

            • Ed

              The options and the 2/$45m deal really aren’t related. Manny demanded the options be declined as part of waiving his no trade clause and became a free agent.

              But I had forgotten about that deal, so you’re right, Manny does win however you look at it. His Boston deal had higher total dollars. His Dodgers deal had a higher AAV. And his ’09 salary was $25m, which probably beats Crawford, assuming there isn’t any heavy backloading in his deal.

              • Evilest Empire

                Those two option years are related in the sense that Boras used them as leverage for the starting point of the ’09 contract. “Manny will not accept a deal of equal to or lesser value than what his option years were” was a basic premise of the demands Boras made.

                • Ed

                  How could the option years possibly provide leverage? They were already invalidated. And they didn’t provide any new reference point, as his entire contract paid him $20m/year.

                  Options provide leverage for the side that has to make the decision.

            • Evilest Empire

              …so Rosenthal got it wrong. Manny leads AAV at $22.5M and overall with his $160M deal.

  • Ari G

    wow where did sox come from on this, and does anyone else realize the angels are a bunch of pussies when it comes to spending the dough

  • Avi

    You mean the red sox are actually gonna give up TWO first round picks?

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      One. They traded for Gonzalez.

      • Avi

        Well you can’t really lose two first rounders anyway. I think the team that loses the Type A gets two picks. Boston loses their first rounder.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      No, they’re giving up one.

  • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

    wowzers

  • mbonzo

    So this brings the Red Sox payroll up to about $180m right?

    • JerseyDutch

      But they’re still a small-market team.

  • Granderslam

    GET JUSTIN UPTON!

    #sarcasm

  • Reggie C.

    So … in the event that Pettitte doesn’t return, does Crawford’s addition help the brass look toward a trade for RICKY NOLASCO ?

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Javier Vazquez 2.0. If you think Vazquez’s stuff was a bad fit for the park, Nolasco is just as bad, if not worse.

  • djh

    This does make me more curious about what NY does if Lee doesn’t sign with them. Hal has said the Yanks have some money coming off the books and it all will go back into the team but if Lee signs in Texas there isn’t any FA worth the Yanks spending on.

    I guess there is a chance they are more open to Grienke now but I think they are still worried about his SAD (I am not worried about it btw)and if they don’t have true intrest in Greinke what do they do?

    I wouldn’t make a move just to respond to Boston I would only make a move on the elite players:Lee,Greinke and Carpenter.
    Personally I don’t feel Nolasco, Floyd and guys like that are worth what they are going to cost so as hard as it is I say if Lee goes to Texas and the Yanks don’t deal for Greinke or Carpenter I say stand pat and pray.

  • Mr Moss

    Cashman has to get Lee….Wood for the bullpen,And get Downs now,we need to shut down Bostons lefties

    Id release Posada and get a decent DH. Posada is rubbish and will stink it up in 2011

    • FIPster Doofus

      I can’t tell if this is sarcasm, and am now prepared to get lectured by Poopy Pants about it.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      Id release Posada and get a decent DH

      No

    • djh

      Jorge hit 18 HR’s in around 360 AB and has always had a good OBP, he will be a fine DH. The Yanks just need pitching.

      • Mr Moss

        Yankees are kidding themselves with Posada as DH,I can see Posada being terrible in 2011,then bitching about it cause he not catching

        • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

          You’re kidding yourself with wanting to cut Posada. I can see Posada being good in 2011, and being happy keeping his body healthy.

          • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

            “being happy keeping his body healthy”

            Sounds like someone will be playing those Richard Simmons DVD’s.

          • Mr Moss

            39 yr old Posada being good LOL yeah ok

            Watch all you muppets jump all over him next year when he stinks it up

            along with your boy Jeter batting .240 and hitting leadoff

            • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

              38 year old Posada was good, while being a catcher.

              How is Jeter “my boy”?

    • Kevin G.

      Id release Posada and get a decent DH

      Posada sux lolwhatevs

  • Schmith Plea

    Time for the Justin Upton.

    • Schmith Plea

      Also, what if they don’t get Lee and Pettitte retires?

      • Mr Moss

        Yankees will be stuffed

        The Brilliant Cashman still has wonder signing Igawa for 1 more year

        Mitre is a beast LOL

  • Reggie C.

    I am very, very intrigued with how Beltre’s market will now develop. Boston is out. (i think… yeah. they’re out).

    I’m starting to think Beltre might actually be able to squeeze out a 5-year contract.

    • Schmith Plea

      they are just a small market team after all so yeah they’re probably out.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      Angels have to be interested, they’ve done nothing. Or maybe they can give Brandon Wood another shot…

  • djh

    If the Yanks don’t sign Lee and for the most part stand pat will they have a similar payroll to BOS now with the Crawford signing and assuming a 20 M A-Gon contract?

  • mbonzo

    Can the Royals trade Greinke to the Yankees for $40 million.

  • candyforstalin

    candyforstalin says:
    December 4, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    i just hope crawford signs with boston before we get lee. for entertaining read purposes.

    it hasn’t disappoint.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      you devil

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    All I have to say:

    Player A: .296/.337/.444

    Player B: .291/.344/.405

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      spoiler alert – A is Crawford, B got us all a taco.

    • mbonzo

      I’ll take .277/.383/.379 for $20m less.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      It’s a bit misleading:

      Crawford has been at .303/.350/.462 for the past five years.

      Also, how about .268/.341/.481. That’s Curtis Granderson.

  • Avi

    I’m actually in a good mood over this signing. This contract will be a burden for them. I was in the worst mood when they got Gonzalez. This is different.

  • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

    Two observations on this deal:

    1- Doesn’t the joke of a LF at Fenway decrease Crawford’s defensive value? It’s not like he’s going to have to run around much.

    2- I believe this deal also affects the extension talks with Gonzo. They can’t pull their usual “We don’t do long term deals” routine.

  • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

    Can’t wait for the first FOX saturday game when Joe and Tim are drooling over Theo’s mastermind plan of building a team the right way.

  • http://none Angel

    get fuentes!

    • candyforstalin

      hahaha.

  • Granderslam

    “For Crawford: Angels were at 7-years but only $108 million.” I actually find this to be good news bc if the Angels didn’t offer Crawford (a serious need) more money, then I don’t think the Angels would be willing to go $140 or more for Lee.

    • FIPster Doofus

      The Angels shouldn’t have even bothered making an offer if they weren’t going to exceed Werth’s deal. Obviously Crawford and Lee are out of their league. Time for them to focus on Beltre and Soriano.

  • Avi

    Anyone know what the Red Sox payroll is at now?

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      probably $180ish off the top of my head.

    • mbonzo

      http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic.....nd-beyond/

      $131 guarenteed, plus $5.5 for Agon and $20 for Crawford.

      $156.5m plus $10.5m in benefits.

      $167m
      They still need 3 or so relievers and might pick up a back up catcher other than Varitek.

      • mbonzo

        I should mention Agon might get more money with the extension. They’ll probably come in just under $178m, the luxury tax cap.

        • Avi

          Good stuff.

  • S

    I know I should feel scared, but honestly I’m excited to see the Bombers face a strong lineup like that. God, I can’t wait till the season starts.

    Pounding war drums

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      The cannons are loaded, Captain, we are prepared to fire, on your count…

    • Evilest Empire

      This is how I feel. I didn’t want Crawford on the Yankees, so his signing elsewhere, even with Boston, doesn’t bother me much. I actually think its pretty cool. The Yankees are still the in a league of their own resource wise, so its fun to see them have insane competition that rivals their own nonetheless.

      As a baseball fan, I can appreciate the high quality of play that Boston constantly provides and to have them as a worthy arch-rival. It makes everything more exciting. Everyone is constantly upping the ante.

      • Bryan

        Starting to feel like 02 03 04 offseasons, gotta love each GM driving the prices up on each other. Cant wait for the first joba fastball right in Youk’s ear

  • Evilest Empire

    I remember reading yesterday how the Angels were almost arrogant in their confidence about signing Crawford. One of the writers said it was spoken of as if he was already on the team.

    Famous last words indeed.

    Now its the Yankees turn to make an AL West team lose out on a premiere FA that it desperately needs to a bigger market AL East team.

  • Wes

    I completely agree with Crawford’s value being diminished by playing at the Monster. His defense is a huge part of his overall ability and by playing in left, it limits his effectiveness. Now, with that all said…is anyone here in full-on panic mode right now re: signing Cliff Lee?

  • ZZ

    Did people really not think the Red Sox were not going to get better this offseason?

    They were always going to get better in the short term with the money they had off the books.

    But, every good Yankee fan should know from past experience, long term sustained success is about spending your money on the right players.

    Carl Crawford is a very good great that the Red Sox are paying as an elite player. And his value as very good is going to really be tested playing in that small LF and that ballpark as a hitter whose power is entirely pull power.

    • ZZ

      very good +player+ that the Red Sox.

      Don’t know where that great came from.

      • Avi

        They have even more money coming off next year. Drew, Cameron, Papelbon amongst others.

        • Clint Holzner

          They also have Adrian Gonzalez’s market value going on there.

  • Avi

    Are the Red Sox waiting till 2015 to announce this deal? Maybe they’ll have Crawford play left field wearing a Rays uniform to save on revenue sharing.
    Seriously, enough with the shtick!

  • Granderslam

    Rosenthal is saying that the Red Sox were the ones to make Lee a 7-year offer, but for a lower dollar amount, to throw a monkey wrench in the Yankee negotiations.

  • China Joe

    The 2010 Red Sox Christmas Carol:
    8 all-star position players
    5 golden aces
    2 shitty catchers
    and a partridge in a pear tree

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      12 AL Pennants
      11 Buchholz Lap tops
      10 million dollar benches
      9 frozen Ted heads
      8 all-stars at every position
      7 wild card berths
      6 Pesky fouls
      5 ace rotations
      4 years of Curt Schilling
      3 douchbag goatees
      2 shitty catchers

      and a WS for the Yankees!

      • China Joe

        Bravo, but I’m pretty sure they have more than 3 douchebag goatees.

  • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

    I can’t wait for Theo at the press conference: Growing up in Texas, Carl always imagined himself in a Boston uniform.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    RT @jessespector: The Rays’ team payroll in 2003 was less than Crawford will make on an annual basis.

    hfs

  • Buck Nasty

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    In all seriousness though, we still have a very good tam they still have Question marks about their pen, they are realying in Salty to stay healthy and actually be productive, still need Beckett and Lackey to pitch better. let thme pay CAHL CRAHFAD 20 mill a year

  • Yankeefan91 Arod Fan

    shyt im pissed now that means the angels are in this 2 fuckk

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      They offered $108M to their big, big, big target.

  • burbankbogey

    Surprised but not shocked. Realize that Crawford is young but I’d be interested in how well he plays in the spring and fall outdoors in Boston vs the Trop. Obviously Lee is a must as a response. How about CC, Lee, Grenke, Hughes and AJ as a response.

    • Yankeefan91 Arod Fan

      i hope this contract turns out to be like soriano with the cubs.

    • Yankeefan91 Arod Fan

      sorry wasnt meant to reply

    • djh

      I hope we start to hear Greinke connected to the Yankees, not because of Crawford Ive always wanted him it’s just surprised me how all you ever here with Greinke is TOR and TX with a few wild cards like Nats and Marlins. Once Lee’s off the board, whether the Yanks get him or not I think we will start to hear NY mentioned.

      It’s already been reported he would waive his no trade clause to go to any competitive team even big market east coast teams so that should aleviate Yanks worries.

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    Good for the Sox. They have become the Yankees.

    • Mike

      I don’t think they’re payroll is even changing because Gonzalez only makes 6 million next year.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        No, but they get nickel and dimed by raises. Beckett, Lester, Pedroia, Youkilis, Papelbon, Dice-K (heh), etc all get about 2M in raises.

        • Mike

          Even with the raises I still think their payroll won’t change much because they also lost Beltre, Lowell, Hall, and Martinez. They really had a lot of cash to spend this year.

  • Buck Nasty

    I would like to poin out that in 76 career games at Fenway park crawrford is hitting .275 with 4 home runs

    • bonestock94

      Small sample size

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        And off Boston pitching, which has been pretty solid. It’s the flipside of the Jayson-Werth-hits-great-in-DC argument.

  • China Joe

    Perhaps the Yankees can get Luke Scott for cheap after his insane Obama birther interview…it’s always nice to have some power hitters on the bench who don’t believe the president was born in this country.

    • whozat

      Maybe we can entice Carl Everett back to explain the great dinosaur hoax to Scott as well.

    • Warrior86

      Although, I do wonder if You have any problem with any recent MLB players having an intense hatred of Bush and connect him to all sort of looney conspiracies. Anything with “It’s Bush’s Fault” and I bet you laugh your butt off and certainly approve.

      And no I don’t agree with Scott, yet I love how a good chunck of birther critics are those lovable truthers. Never can understand how the long proven incorrect and vile truther community of psychos are somehow more accepted in society in regard with their far worse false propaganda.

      P.S. Let us never forget to thank, Hillary Clinton legion of supporters for giving birth to folks like Mr. Scott. Never forget without those fine Lefy voters, the birther legion would not exist. Or perhaps its just Bush’s fault.

      P.S.S. No poltics, I know, but this is a response to a commentator who brought up Luke Scott on a non- off topic thread just to bring up a worthless story. I apologize if my political rant offends anyone but, when I see someone enter this vitrolic forum I have to say something, too.

  • mbonzo

    And now it comes out that the Red Sox were the mystery team to offer Lee 7 years. But not enough money. They just did it to increase the Yankees total years.

  • SuBDivisions

    Not a surprise, but it looks like the Yanks suceeded in driving up Crawford’s price big time.. The Angels only offered 104 MM, redsox went 40MM MORE…

    Owned.

    • I am not the droids you’re looking for

      Well thats certainly one way to spin it but I think what you’ll find is that the MSM will proclaim hfszomg they got CC for only $16mm more than Werth song Theo is a genius!!

  • Avi

    Carl Crawford career on the road (away from turf): .286/.327/.422
    This is a good night for the Yankees.

  • Scott

    I’m not too upset by this signing. Crawford is good, but not $142 mil good. I would rather haver all 3 of our OFs which combined will make 2 mil less than Crawford alone!

    • Andrew518

      I think this will be a good deal for the Sox for the first three-four years, after that….sad to think that A-Rod’s contract will be up at the same time as this one, now that’s a real albatross, but I do believe Boston went too far on this one.

  • Dmaster

    Time to bring back Johnny Damon.

  • Mike

    It kinda makes paying Jeter 17 million a year a good deal. No, I still think it’s terrible paying for past performance but oh well. Time for us to grossly overpay for Cliff Lee and overlook the fact that he’ll be 33 in August.

  • China Joe

    Looking at that photo above, I’m reminded how overwhelmed Crawford was by all the negative media attention when he got thrown out at third against the Yankees…and that was when he was in Tampa-freaking-Bay. Good luck to him if he tries something similar in Boston.

  • Andrew518

    I can’t believe that there are really people out there that think a deal for Grienke is a good idea. We’ve been burned so many times by players (especially pitchers) who can’t handle NY

    K Rogers
    J Vasquez (twice)
    K Brown
    R Johnson
    AJ (maybe)
    J Weaver (I can’t believe he’s stll pitching)

    I mean this guy said he was bummed he won CY Young because of all the attention it brought him…In KC!!!

    I don’t know if there has ever been such a clear case of a player who is talented but simply would be a bad fit for the market, throwing the ball is only one aspect of a great pitcher.

    • Andrew518

      upon further review…

      sorry about poor spelling

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Several of those pitchers they acquired on the down ends of their career (Rogers, Brown, RJ), Vazquez was just a poor fit for the ALE and The Stadium (even if he had his stuff, which is also why I don’t want Ricky Nolasco), and Jeff Weaver just plain sucks. AJ was fine in 2009…it wasn’t NY that made his curveball blow in 2010. Stop being dumb.

    • Mister Delaware

      CC is scared of the east coast, Mussina is a recluse, Duque never pitched in the American League while trapped in Cuba, Cone??? The guy who touches himself in the bullpen???, there are too many late night dining options in NY for a guy like Wells … on and on and on … every Yankee pitcher who didn’t come from our minor league system has had some media/fan assigned knock against his character. Some proved it wrong, some haven’t, whatever.

  • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

    Don’t get me wrong, Crawford is a great player, but he’s not exactly the second coming of Manny Ramirez.

    Especially if they wind up trading the Pillsbury Doughboy to make room for him, Crawford isn’t THAT much or an improvement over Ellsbury. Obviously he is a better hitter with more power, but his defensive advantages don’t matter much in Fenway and the stolen bases cancel themselves out.

    Basically, I’m very happy the Sox have Crawford for 7 years instead of Matt Holliday.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      instead of Matt Holliday

      It could always be worse.

  • Bo

    AT least the tools who try to act like the Yanks are filled with mercenaries while the Sox aren’t can’t even fake that line of garbage any more.

    • http://jukeofurl.wordpress.com Juke Early

      Bo knows Rat Sox klol

  • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

    Carl Crawford will make more in 2011 than entire Yankees outfield.

    h/t Bronx Baseball Daily.

    • Mike

      So does Derek Jeter, uggh.

  • JeffG

    Crawford is a very nice addition for Boston… the Yanks weakness may be catching / holding runners on. Nice way to exploit that. Also, he sees a lot of pitches so that is going to be a very tough lineup to face.

    Still if we work out our rotation… and I think we better build a very good bullpen this could be a very good race.

  • http://Yes.com Shinrose

    George would have never let Crawford go to the Sox.

  • blur72

    in one year the only real offensive threat on the yankees will be robinson cano. when you realize a-rod, teixeira, posada and jeter are washed up – and that they have horrendous contracts – then it’s easy to see why the first half of this decade will be very difficult for the yankees. their lineup isn’t even compare to the red sox’s – who are boasting young and effective players like Gonzalez, Crawford, Pedroia, Youkilis, Ellsbury, etc. etc. who will be good for a LONG time. the only player in the yankees’ lineup with comparable value and longevity to those guys is Cano. the yankees are stuck with the majority of their players, who are only going to crash back down to earth (swisher) or remain an out machine despite how great his smile is (granderson). man imagine how great and long-lasting an OF of Gardner, Austin Jackson, and Carl Crawford would have been, with the wasted money contributing toward Granderson and Swisher going toward a legitimate starting pitcher who hasn’t already passed his peak.

    on the pitching side it’s even worse. after two years with an ERA of around 3.80 Cliff Lee should become mediocre as well, like Hughes’ peak or something. they’re actually paying $25m per year for the stats he put up in Texas the second half. at least Burnett’s contract will be ending then so Cashman can sign another two-year wonder for $100millon until he’s 36. pretty embarrassing roster for all the money they spent.

    feels odd to chase the wild card from the get-go

    • China Joe

      Teixeira is washed up? He’s younger than Youkilis.

  • Bo

    “I can’t wait for Theo at the press conference: Growing up in Texas, Carl always imagined himself in a Boston uniform.”

    I’m sure they’ll goad a “I don’t like the Yankees” moment out of him like they did with A-Gon. Seriously, it’s pretty embarrassing when their inferiority complex gets them focused on beating us rather than on winning in general.

    “feels odd to chase the wild card from the get-go”

    You can chase the wild card from the get-go. We’ll make trades and keep developing young talent in the minors and acquiring it on the international market. The Red Sox did one other thing this week, and that’s basically knock themselves out of the next few super-bids on international free agents, while the Yankees will be in position to massively upgrade that way. Yu Darvish in pinstripes is looking better and better.

  • Sean C

    Well, a whole lot of people have jumped off the cliff. As for the rest of us, there’s baseball to enjoy from March through October.

    • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

      It’s really just Jimmy McNulty being a closet Red Sox homer.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        I’d rather be called a Nazi sympathizer. You guys are nuts if you don’t think this makes them a lot better…I don’t think you can count on Youkilis and Pedroia missing six hundred PAs again either.

        • Poopy Pants

          Stop thinking for yourself! Just say that Theo is the worst GM in baseball and deny that the Sox have won in 2004 and 2007.

          • Klemy

            Are you just going to post after him, using sarcasm to defend him over and over?

        • Sean C

          I don’t think anyone argued that this doesn’t make the red sox better. It does. Which sucks. I hate the red sox. I hate them because they are good and in our division and stand in the way of the Yankees winning. But, it should make for some awesome baseball to watch in 2011 and beyond.

      • Mister Delaware

        True story: I’ve lived in Boston for just under 2 years now and I’ve met 38 different Jimmy McNultys. Odds are this guy is one of them.

  • YankeesJunkie

    Crawford is a good signing for the Sox and the amount of money and the years Crawford got is not really too surprising considering Werth. However, Crawford´s value will be hurt automatically with a shift LF in Fenway Park. Also, Crawford as a hitter had his career year this year, and will probably only be wRC 125 hitter for his first few years which is no better than Nick Swisher.

  • Slappy White

    Whats this put Bostons payroll at ? Why do we never hear that constantly brought upwhen they sign a big name guy ?

    Like THEY say, “You cant buy championships”

    • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

      Hasn’t gone up much since they shed some payroll and A-Gonz doesn’t get expensive until next year. I think it’s at around 160.

      • Klemy

        But, next year that 160 will become about $178ish, just based on Agonz’s new contract.

  • Jorge

    Maybe this post is a little late in the lifespan here, but daaaaamn….

    I wish people who say things like “We need Cliff Lee” would think about what they’re saying. The Yankees, who continuously find a way to field a contending team, will only be successful next year if they land the best available pitcher in baseball? There’s more than one way to do this, and it doesn’t just involve Cliff Lee or trading Jesus Montero and his first-born for Zach Grienke.

    Someone needs to Assange this Jimmy McNulty character. He is what they think we are.

    For shits and giggles, Joba, Laird, and Adams too much, or too little, for Nolasco?

    • YankeesJunkie

      The Yankees don´t need Cliff Lee to be competitive, but it will be hard for the Yankees to win a WS with CC, Hughes, Burnett, and two unknowns at this point. Lee at least adds stability and then the Yankees only need to look for a back end starter and not trade for a couple middle of the rotation starters.

      Also, Florida will laugh you off because basically the two big parts of the deal are at all time trade value lows due to being in the pen and injury.

  • Monteroisdinero

    Love Mr Moss’s posts-keep ‘em coming and I AM serious/not sarcastic. I wanted Carl and wanted to DH Swish and slowly phase out Jorge but-forget that. With Lee and Pettitte (hopefully), 3 lefties should neutralize the lefties and speed of the Sox. I don’t think Crawford will be as effective at Fenway as he would have been at YS.

    Now we can get on with the Austin Kearns contract. He is cheap and a proven, solid 4th OFer

    /back to sarcasm

  • Doug

    Apparently the Yanks have now gone to 7 years for Lee

    • Jimmy McNulty

      As long as it’s not bigger than CC’s I’m okay with this. If it’s like 7/151 or something like that I’m cool like a fool in a swimming pool. Do what it takes to curbstomp those fucking assholes, Cashman.

      • Mister Delaware

        I’M THE MADDEST YANKEES FAN IN THE WORLD!!!

  • Mickey Scheister

    You gotta love the medias take on this signing thus far. Nothing but utter praise for a guy bringing in over 20m per season who never hit more 20 jacks PLUS playing the little league size LF is a joke since Crawford is a premier defender. If the Yanks pulled the trigger on this the backlash woulda been awful, “His legs won’t hold up”, “Seven years for a guys value tied to his legs and SB ability.” Let’s look at this deal in 3-4 years and speak to how GREAT Theo and Co is when he looks like Damon in the field and the bases.

    Right now for 2011 Crawford will do great, let’s see years 4-7 and judge this signing then. At least move him to RF or CF to get your moneys worth!

  • Dexception32

    Would I have preferred Carl go to Angels? Probably. But can we stop looking at this like its just additions. The Red Sox lost Adrian Beltre, arguably their MVP last year. The Agon signing moves Youkilis to third and though he’s good, I don’t think he’s gold glove good there, and probably more of an injury risk. Nor will he match that offensive output. Agon while impressive hasn’t played in the AL East and will face much better pitching and expectations night in and night out. Victor is gone who was there other big masher and only real catcher offensively, replaced by awfulness. Numbers wise at best the combo of Agon and Crawford simply acts as a wash (lower power numbers) in terms of replacment numbers and nullifies an entire important position on the diamond at least offensively. Red sox intend to extend after opening day, for around 7 at 150 to Agon according to WEEI. They cleaned out their minor league top prospects, and are committing a ton of money ala the Yankees to long term deals while depleting the system. And its all in response to one man not gotten….Mark Texiera. Lock up Lee, and its very good to be a Yankee fan right now.

  • Ryan

    Carl Crawford is not worth $20 mil a year, IMO…but to be fair I guess you could argue that Cliff Lee is not worth seven years.

  • gilbert

    Yes The red sox are looking pretty dam good on paper going into next season…..but here is an idea. How about we play the games anyway and see what happens…Who the hell thought the giants had any chance at winning the ws at this time last year?