Dec
13

Open Thread: Charlie Hayes

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(AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

I dunno why, but I’ve been on a bit of a retro kick of lately, hence the recent Mike Mussina, Jimmy Key, and Darryl Strawberry posts. Anyway, everyone remembers Charlie Hayes for that moment right there, the final out of the 1996 World Series, and I suspect he’s perfectly fine with that. It’s easy to forget that Hayes was a fine player for a lot of years though. He put up 2.6 fWAR for the Yanks as their regular third baseman in 1992, and almost a third of career 14.0 fWAR came in pinstripes. Hayes’ big year came with the Rockies in 1993 (after they grabbed him in the expansion draft), when Coors Field helped him hit .305/.355/.552 with 4.1 fWAR. It’s all about that catch though, when you hear the name Charlie Hayes, you can’t help but put a smile on your face because of that weak little foul pop-up.

Now that I’ve gotten that out of the way, here’s your open thread for the evening. We’ve got not one but two football games tonight. The regular MNF game has the Ravens at the Texas, but the Giants are also playing the Vikings in Detroit because the Metrodome roof collapsed yesterday. That game will air on FOX in the Tri-State area. The Isles are also in action. Go ahead and talk about whatever you want, just be cool.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Squishy Jello Person

    I’d like @cephster to repeat what he said on Twitter about how Brian Cashman should respond to the next Cliff Lee inquiry

  • JobaWockeeZ

    And since today is a bust I will no longer follow this CLiff Lee debacle. He’ll probably sign one week before Pitcher’s and Catchers Report at this rate.

    Now there’s a mystery team Lee supposedly loves? Yeah it’s best to completely ignore anyhting Lee related.

    • YankeesJunkie

      That mystery team that Lee loves and has a 5 year contract from sounds so appealing.

    • Johnny

      Word is the so called “mystery team” is the Phillies.

    • CP

      He’ll probably sign one week before Pitcher’s and Catchers Report at this rate.

      Considering that so far he has not signed, wouldn’t “this rate” lead you to believe he will never sign?

  • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    That guy wearing the Yankees hat right between Hayes and Jeter kinda looks like Ben, no?

    Conclusive proof of time-travel.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I was 13 and with braces when this happened. Talk about awkward teenage years.

      • Squishy Jello Person

        I was ten, not yet even old enough for braces

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          I was nine; I remember watching on the floor in front of the TV in the living room with a Yankee-hat-clad teddy bear. I fell asleep at some point, and woke up during the celebration.

          • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I was drunk.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              Well done. Oh, and it’s official: student teaching at GHS. Any teachers whose coffee you want me to spike?

              • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

                Spike all of the coffee.

              • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Congrats!

                The teachers who I liked probably already spike their coffee, so I guess no.

                Although if that guy Mazmanian is still there, kick him in the nuts for me.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            Same here, nine years old, fell asleep and got woken up right after they won.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              OMG we’re like twins.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        “I was 13 and with braces when this happened. Talk about awkward teenage years.”

        13/Braces/Awkward teenage years—>Made fun of/Single throughout teenage years.

        Law School—>Lots of Money—>Hot wife—>Victorious

        • mbonzo
        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          Mostly just 13 was the awkward teenage years. On retrospect, I was otherwise fairly comfortable with teenage years/high school. I made some good friends and saw the Yanks win the World Series four times while in high school. Tough to beat that.

          • Sir Not-Appearing-In-This-Blog

            My High School years were 84 – 87.. You win.

      • mustang

        I was at a bar in New Paltz, New York I waited 18 years for that moment I will never forget that championship it will always be the best one for me.

        • Accent Shallow

          Hey, what bar?

          I’m pretty familiar with that area. I try and head to Bacchus when I can, since they have 300 beers. . .

          • mustang

            P&G’s

            I went to college in New Paltz LOVED IT. I still go up there once a year for my Frats anniversary great college party town.

            • Accent Shallow

              Cool. I used to date a girl at SUNY NP, so I spent many an evening there — a couple years after you, though.

              • mustang

                SUNY NP any young man wet dream.

                When i went there it was 5 to 1 female to male ratio.

                Love those odds.

                LOL

          • I Voted for Kodos

            That’s the only one worth going to if you want to actually talk to the people you’re with. I also love the large number of beers that they have. I’ve tried some great stuff there.

    • Squishy Jello Person

      Holy…

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    when you hear the name Charlie Hayes, you can’t help but put a smile on your face because of that weak little foul pop-up.

    :)

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Jets tripping coach suspended? Meh should have gotten fired.

    • CP

      I think the Dolphins should have thanked him. If he hadn’t been tripped, then Carroll would have gotten ANOTHER 15 yard penalty for not coming back in bounds on a punt.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    Was there another DDoS attack an hour, or so, ago?

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Host says not a DDoS attack but another firewall-related issue. They’re working to beef up security now.

      • Jose the Satirist

        If you have a log of the attack you should file a complaint with the IC3 and get the FBI involved.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Apparently we’re closing in on a deal with Russell Martin. Does this mean the end of Cervelli? (extremely excited)

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Not necessarily. He could still be the back up, with Montero starting the year in SWB.

      • Kevin G.

        OMG, Cervelli WON’T DIE!!!!! >:(

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Don’t get too excited now. Martin was essentially 2009 Cervelli for two years straight.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        2010*

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        As long as that fistpumping asshat is off the field, I take whatever production Martin gives us.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          I don’t like Cervelli much either but it is hilarious how quick people are to turn on players.

          • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

            I was alright with him in the beginning, but it slowly progressed to extreme hatred when he started stinking up the place.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        But can play good defense and isn’t completely overexposed in 130 games. Cervelli is fine for 30 games, not 130.

        • I Voted for Kodos

          There’s also a chance, however remote, that he returns to his previous form now that he’s had the hip surgery.

          • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

            That too. The upside is All-Star catcher. Cervelli’s is likely solid backup.

            • I Voted for Kodos

              Exactly. It’s a relatively safe roll of the dice.

        • CP

          You realize that Cervelli being ‘completely overexposed’ was a better hitter last year than Martin was over the last two seasons.

          And he’s not coming off of a torn hip labrum.

          • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

            When I said completely overexposed I meant as a 130 game full time April to September catcher. Cervelli started 80 games last year. Let’s hope we never see him approach 130 starts, and truly, let’s hope we never seem him approach 50 starts.

            • CP

              I think Martin will be an upgrade over Cervelli, but not by much. There’s really no evidence that either of them can hit in the majors.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                Except Martin was a good hitter at one point, Cervelli never was. Martin’s pretty good defensively too IIRC.

              • art vandelay

                yea but is he worth that much more money ? its league minimum vs what ? 5 million ? and upside. i dont know. tough call

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Close to signing, or still being aggressively pursued?

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        I heard on MLB Tonight that Martin was close to a deal. Might still be in the aggressively pursued territory.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      From what Jack Curry said on the YES Network’s Hot Stove show, it sounds like Cervelli is a long shot to be with the big league club in the spring. Dunno if they’re going to dump him completely, demote him or try to trade him.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        Centerpiece of a deal for Greinke*.

        *it’s Dayton Moore, worth a shot.

    • http://bronx-awesome.mlblogs.com/ King Yankees

      Could also mean that Lee’s not likely to sign with us and that we will likely have to deal away Montero in a big-time trade.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        This made no sense at all. We kinda have to act while we wait or else all our options will disappear.

    • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

      LEAVE CERVELLI ALONE!! http://bitURL.net/aujq

  • Xstar7

    What’s with the guy in that picture between Hayes and Jeter that’s just looking the other way?

    • Pat D

      Braves fan?

    • Kevin G.

      Ben

    • Teh Comp Pick

      Looks like he’s holding a camera on his right shoulder. It’s probably still focused on the batter.

      • Teh Comp Pick

        Maybe not, can’t tell.

      • CP

        It is a camera man’s spot, and they need a shot of the pitcher when the game ends.

        • Xstar7

          I think you’re right.

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    Damn, in 1993 Hayes hit .338/.387/.601 at Coors.

    • Pat D

      I remember, after his decent year in ’92, being really upset that they left him unprotected and the Rockies took him in the expansion draft.

      Then they signed Wade Boggs and I didn’t care anymore.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      Coors didn’t open until 1995. They played in Mile High Stadium before that.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      To be picky, it was at Mile High Stadium.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        I lose.

  • http://incumbentgm.wordpress.com Joe DiMaggio’s Ego-Ghost

    Interested to see how Matt Schaub does… I have him and Rodgers for QBs.

  • art vandelay

    look at the guy directly to the left of jeters hip

    “ehhhhh don’t hit me foul pop up … “

  • Teh Comp Pick

    Could it really be this hard to decide which 100mil plus offer you’d like to take and with which team you’d like to play? I wonder what we don’t know, like maybe he thought he’d be a Yankee, but Tex offered way more than he expected?

    Or is Braunecker just trying to get a higher bid still?

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Or is Braunecker just trying to get a higher bid still?

      Yes.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      I don’t understand cause for the past two years it’s been all about him wanting to hit free agency and cashing in. Well, he’s a top pitcher in the game, he’s had to have known that the Yankees would want him and pay him the most money. He should have known for a while now if he wants to be a Yankee or not.

      Basically, a top 5 pitcher saying he wants to hit free agency translates to “I want to see how much the Yankees will offer me to pitch them to the World Series.”

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    I love how every Philly fan is like, “HALLADAY/LEE/OSWALT/HAMELS/GREINKE WE WILL BE UNBEATABLE!!!” Yeah well, guys, you still wouldn’t beat the Boston Supergreatestteamevah so what does it matter.

    • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

      I would like to officially request the Red Sox change their names to the Boston Master Strokes.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        the Thirty-Eight Ace’d Master Strokes Superdynasty.

        (They used to have only 25 aces until they dumped that dead weight Casey Kelly.)

    • Accent Shallow

      They could have moved Blanton instead of Lee, got Halladay, and picked up Oswalt at the deadline without significantly increasing payroll (I believe)

      Now that would have been a rotation.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      This would never happen, but that really would be a team of FIVE ACES.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      A Halladay-Lee-Oswalt-Hamels rotation would be insane, but keep in mind that this rotation lost in the NLCS.

      That’s 135 starts, more than 7 innings per start, and a 3.02 ERA/1.087 WHIP.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        Any by 3.02 I mean 2.80

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....-cliff-lee

    If Lee goes back to Philly, I’m dropping my flags and moving to Philadelphia.

    /half serious

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      If Lee goes back to Philly after all of this I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever stop laughing.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak
  • Xstar7

    Did Cliff Lee sign yet?

  • mustang

    I still can remember Girardi running around third with the go ahead run and how piss off Maddux was. Totally love it I was still bitter over Maddux fucking the Yankees as a free-agent.

  • Mondoas

    Joe Buck..”Hayes waits..the Yankees are champions of baseball”! I will never forget that moment.
    The next day we played the Jacksonville Jaguars and I sacked Mark Brunell. Our POS coach(Dave Shula) was fired on that previous Monday and Bruce Coslet came in and we won that game.
    Take a look at my sack as it was one of my few moments in the NFL:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5SqRtsRPa0

  • nsalem

    Maybe Cliff and Kristen are not in agreement on where they will spend the next 7 summers. Cashman’s quote today to Kepner “He’ll make up his mind someday” really exhibits how frustrated Cashman is by this situation. He rarely injects such sarcasm into his comments to the press.

  • nsalem

    I was at Game 1 of the 96 World Series. It was a Sunday night game there was an awful storm in the area and doubt whether the game would be played. Great electricity in the air and then unfortunately the game started. Jones’ 1st homer brought us down to earth and home run number 2 was crushing. After being outscored 16-1 in the first two games and heading down to Atlanta for game 3, the most optimistic Yankee fan would not believe that the Braves had won their last game of the year.

  • First Time Poster

    I’m surprised RAB hasn’t made a thread about Matsui’s signing with the A’s. Just a quick one ala Melky.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      We will when it happens.

      • mbonzo

        Can’t wait to find out who still thinks the Yankees should have resigned him.

  • Kit

    I love this retro kick. I remember so little about the 90′s teams, that it’s nice to be reminded of those really special, completely amazing moments I experienced as a kid.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Next thing we’ll hear is that the next myserty team is the damn Vikings.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Jacobs, motha fucka.

  • Teh Comp Pick

    This Lee saga will be over within the next 24 hours, I’m thinking the Philly thing was a little too ridiculous and it’s down to the wire now.

    Cliff Lee better still be worth it in year 3 after all of this.

    • FIPster Doofus

      The next 24 hours? I kind of expect humans to be living on the Moon by the time this guy makes his decision.

  • Sheepmeister

    So when do the yankees actually make their first move? Lee shouldn’t be hamstringing them, this offseason has been so boring for the yankee fan.

  • bonestock94

    Heard This:

  • Carcillo

    How the hell would the Phillies afford Lee?

    I can’t imagine that, though that rotation would be other-worldly if they did get him.

  • Greg Golson

    Someone has to have made this joke by now but I found a Brett Gardner biographical movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo-RDJb4W28

  • Greg G.

    Hey, since this is an Open Thread, and I don’t have the Giants broadcast in my area…is Justin Tuck not playing tonight…I don’t see his name in the stats.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      No he’s playing.

  • EVH 5150

    Lee signed with the Philles. Its over for us.