Dec
01

Open Thread: Where It All Started…

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Sheesh, look how young and scrawny the captain was in that video. I guess that’s to be expected though, it is 20 years old after all. And how about that, he’s playing third base as well. That’ll serve him well when he moves off shortstop at some point in the future never. I also enjoyed this 12-year-old interview with Derek and Alex Rodriguez; it’s worth watching just to see Jeter’s old cell phone. I think you had to hand-crank that thing to power it up.

Anyway, here’s tonight’s open thread. The Nets are the only local team in action tonight, which is about as dull as it gets. You guys have done this before, so have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    http://www.bnd.com/393?plckCon.....d=blogDest

    wah the Yankees make life hard for us wah

    • ChrisR

      Lol random ignorant Yankee bashing gotta love it…

    • ROBTEN

      But you can’t unring the bell — as evidenced by the fact that the Redbirds just paid $17.5 million for two years to Jake Westbrook. That’s a pretty steep price for a fourth starter. But it’s the going rate these days for a decent pitcher with a pulse, no matter that he missed almost all of the 2008 and 2009 seasons because of major arm surgery.

      As if it’s the Yankees’ fault that other teams overpay for starters, when in reality it seems more like it is the other way around — if you give a Jake Westbrook $17.5 for two years, you just drive up the price of a Cliff Lee.

      • pat

        A) I didn’t realize he had signed.

        B) 2/17.5? Daaaaaamn.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          The 17.5 isn’t per year, it’s total.

          • bob

            that’s probably what he meant by 2/17.5

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        It’s original sin. The only reason Westbrook got that much was because Catfish Hunter got so much money from the Yankees way back in 1975, that started the slippery slope.

        (Let’s not mention who Curt Flood used to play for. It’s for the best.)

        • ROBTEN

          To rectify the “Catfish Hunter” loophole, I’d like to recommend a new rule: Any persons even walking by a ballpark should be signed to binding lifetime contract to a team determined by a draft with first and second slots to be alternated by the Cardinals and Red Sox in perpetuity. Amen.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Flood lost his court case. Ergo, he had nothing whatsoever to do with the history of free agency.

          Sincerely,
          That guy

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      That article was 623 words long.

      623 words too long, pretty much.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      By all accounts, when Rodriguez signed his deal in 2010 no other teams had even inquired about his services
      fact FAIL

      A month later, even after Boston turned up it’s nose
      grammar FAIL (emphasis mine)

      Meanwhile, the humbled third baseman should have been grateful to get $20 million a year for three to five seasons.
      You mean someone wanted to acquire as much money as possible? That’s crazy talk. What a jackass!!

      Even last year the Yankees were rumored to have been the monkey wrench in the Matt Holliday works.

      While they publicly said they weren’t interested in the slugging outfielder, reports after the fact indicated that New York offered a short term contract for $20 million to $25 million a year. The plan was to get Holliday for the short run and then let him become a free agent again this year when the talent pool was much more shallow than in 2009. Because of that move, the Cardinals had to guarantee Holliday seven years at $17 million to get a deal done.
      Wait, what???

      I only wish that the Cardinals had the cash to make a bid for Mariano Rivera. Sure, there’s little chance they could get him. but it would be nice to make New York pay through the nose for a 41-year-old pitcher.
      Paying $15+M a year for a reliever who pitches less than 80 innings a year isn’t already paying through the nose?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        Also, obligatory BEST FANS IN THE WOOOOORRRLLLDDDD joke.

      • FIPster Doofus

        I have no idea what the hell he’s trying to say in the Holliday portion of the article. WTF?

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          That the Yankees had a secret deal with Holliday worth $25M or so, but just for 2010. Then let him be a FA this year… because the talent pool isn’t as good apparently???

          At least that’s how I interpreted it

          • ROBTEN

            I think it means that Holliday is secretly a double-agent for the Yankees who took one for the team by signing with the Cardinals for less than the Yankees were offering, but still above market value, so that in the future they would have to buy Pujols the moon — literally, the moon — in order to keep him, thereby ruining their franchise forever by having one very good and one great player play for their team at the same time for more than they would like to pay them, which is nothing.

        • radnom

          There was a rumor last offseason that the Yankees made a brief pass at Holliday asking if he wouldn’t mind a shorter term deal for a higher AAV.

          Make sense for the Yankees to check, its risky for Holliday but maybe he wanted to gamble.
          Did they actually check? Who knows.
          Just another random rumor.

          This rumor is without a doubt what he is referring to.

    • vin

      Ironic how they were Holliday’s only suitor, yet still gave him a monster contract.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I blame ARod.

        No, literally.

        Sincerely,
        That Cardinals blogger who can’t think or write well

        • vin

          Contracts are too high?
          Blame ARod.

          Concession are too expensive?
          Blame ARod.

          People getting laid off?
          Blame ARod.

          European countries on the verge of bankruptcy?
          Blame ARod.

          Sink is leaking?
          Blame ARod.

          Weather too cold?
          Blame ARod.

          Too many /not enough people got injured during Black Friday?
          Blame ARod.

          It really is the ultimate catch-all.

          • Eric Young

            This.

  • Teh Comp Pick

    Love the video of A-rod and Jeetz from ’98. Pike Place market in Seattle is an awesome place.

    • Eric Young

      This, too. And I’m still disappointed that Jeet – who I love and admire – didn’t have A-Rod’s back when the fans were booing him mercilessly. Had Jeet simply been a player, it would have been forgivable but, IMO, it was the low point of Jeet’s reign as Captain of the NYY.

      The video left me feeling kind of empty with the ol’ “what could have been.”

  • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

    I’m pretty sure Cliff Lee sarcastically antler’d Ian Kinsler today:

    Rangers second baseman Ian Kinsler said that Cliff Lee told him via text message that the Rangers were again at his Arkansas home.

    “Basically, I said, ‘What’s going on in Arkansas?’ He said, ‘the Rangers are down here again,'” Kinsler said on KESN-FM. “I was like, ‘Well, just sign whatever they give you.’ He said, ‘Let’s see what happens. We have to wait it out.’

    “I said, ‘Remember, I like being your teammate.’ And he said, ‘I do, too, but we have to wait it out.’ I said, ‘Just sign it.’ And then he sent me a picture of a deer.

    (Source)

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Also, telling someone to “sign whatever they give you” has to be among the worst business advice I’ve ever heard.

      • YankeesJunkie

        Cliff Lee signs a 5 year league minimum deal for the Rangers!!!

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        I’m sure the players union is not thrilled.

      • vin

        That’s kind of a bush-league thing for Kinsler to announce on the radio. I understand he wants him to re-sign, but for Cliff to just “sign whatever they give you” would send the Players Association into a panic – and rightfully so. Kinsler needs to respect Lee’s decision and not make him out to be a bad guy if he takes the money.

        Perhaps Kinsler would’ve been happier playing under the Reserve Clause for his entire career.

        If I was Jon Daniels, I’d try to extend Kinsler this week – tell him to not worry about the terms of the contract, and just sign it.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          If I was Jon Daniels, I’d try to extend Kinsler this week – tell him to not worry about the terms of the contract, and just sign it.

          “Don’t worry, Ian. Just sign whatever I hand you.”

    • YankeesJunkie

      LOL

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      I now love Cliff Lee.

      Get it done, Cash.

    • ROBTEN

      “We got the answers we wanted, and we reconfirmed our interest in bringing him back,” Ryan said after the Nov. 15 gathering. “We left feeling good about the meeting, and I do think Cliff is very interested in playing here again.”

      Translation:

      Ryan: We’d really like for you to pitch for us again.

      Lee: Ok. Pay me more than the Yankees.

      Ryan: Didn’t you enjoy playing in Texas.

      Lee: Yes. Pay me more than the Yankees.

      Ryan: We’re building for the future. Do you really want to play with a 40-year old short stop?

      Lee: Maybe. Can you pay me more than the Yankees?

      Ryan: We have great schools where your kids don’t have to learn none of that “history” that they’ll teach ‘em in New York.

      Lee: I get your point. Here’s a picture of a deer.

      Ryan: “We left feeling good about the meeting, and I do think Cliff is very interested in playing here again.”

      (End Scene.)

      • vin

        Bravo.

      • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

        Love it.

      • Corporate Scum (Formerly Joe West’s Music Career)
    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      “I’m pretty sure the deer was dead. Antlers (Rangers) dead? Don’t read too much into it. He’s a hunter and was just showing off his trophy.” – comment from rangersblog

      lmao!

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      I sent this bitch a picture of my… deer?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        /Yeezy’d

  • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

    The funniest thing about the Jeter and A-Rod break up is that it was Jeter who was the little bitch about what A-Rod said, but that’s never how it was reported. Mr. Greatest Teammate ever.

    • Hughesus Christo

      To be fair, ARod’s Steve H-level people skills played a part as well.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Oh sick burn.

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        I’ll take being compared to A-Rod all day long.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      And I’m still annoyed that he didn’t move off of SS. Kay always gets uppity about this, saying “Well, A-Rod volunteered!” Ridiculous. Jeter should’ve been the one to volunteer.

      • Hughesus Christo

        No. No he shouldn’t have.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          If he was truly all about the team, yes, he should’ve. At the time, Rodriguez was the better shortstop.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            Eh, I don’t know if saying he should have volunteered to move is really fair.

            I think the Yankees should have been more forceful about it. “Hey Derek, you’re awesome. We love you. Move to third.”

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              That works, too.

            • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

              I think it’s a combo of both. The Yankees should have made it happen because it would have helped the team. Since Jeter is the ultimate team player, he should have volunteered since it would have helped the team.

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                Jeter as the ZOMG ULTIMATE TEAM PLAYER is more a media construction than anything else, and to the extent that this conflicts with that (false) narrative, sure it’s true.

                That said, I don’t think his lack of volunteering to move means he was a bad team player (nor do I think Jeter in general is a bad team player, he just isn’t the super ultimate can do no wrong selfless gritty gamer he’s made out to be. No one is.)–I don’t think it’s something that could reasonably be expected of any superstar player.

                • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

                  Agree with all of this.

          • Hughesus Christo

            ARod’s Steve H-level people skills come into play here as well. They might as well have handed the keys to every player’s homes if they had done that.

            On your first day at prison, you either kick someone’s ass or become someone’s bitch. Works both ways.

            • Esteban

              Yay for personal attacks!
              Also: what? How did prison rape get brought up in a comment thread about A-Rod and Jeter?

              • Hughesus Christo

                There is no better analogue for the Jeter/ARod relationship than the HBO award-winning series “Oz.” In the interest of fairness, I chose not to determine which one would lead the Gangsters and which would lead the Aryans. Decide amongst yourselves.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                Michael Scott: In prison, you are somebody’s bitch! Oh and you, you my friend, would be the belle of the ball. Don’t drop the soap! Don’t drop the soap!

                • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                  Do you think that I won’t push you up against a wall, biatch?!

                  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                    Dementors? Like in Harry Potter?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        I think he should’ve volunteered but I also think turning Derek into ~TEH BAD GUY!!!!~ over this is similarly ridiculous.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Total bad guy. No debate. We must polarize.

        • mbonzo

          I agree. If I am known as one of the best shortstops, which he was in 2004 (UZR was really only introduced in 2003), and had my main competition coming in, I’d stand my ground too. If this happened to me in an office setting I’d the same and try my hardest to be the best.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            We don’t even know if Derek was told by the Yankees to move and refused, or if they just never asked and he never volunteered. Heck, maybe he volunteered and the Yankees told him not to move (yeah, right, but I dunno why people are so eager to be completely cynical about Derek and not even consider a situation like this.).

            • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

              I doubt the Yankees approached Jeter about it.

              • mike c

                he would have acted like a little bitch anyway, right?

          • Corporate Scum (Formerly Joe West’s Music Career)

            So much this. If this happened to me in the office, I would actively work to get them transferred elsewhere.

            /I’m not nice in the office’d

        • Kit

          This, though I don’t think he should have volunteered simply because he had a rank to pull there. He called dibs first (/not serious).

      • Ed

        Honestly, I think it was the right move. A-Rod was the better SS at the time, but A-Rod’s been getting bulkier over the years. I think if he stayed at short, he would’ve only lasted a few more years there. I’m guessing around ’06-’07 he would’ve declined enough to be worse than Jeter.

        Throw in the things you couldn’t have predicted at the time, like A-Rod’s hip injury and Jeter’s defense improving, and I think that things really worked out for the better. I really think the last few years would’ve been awkward had they went with A-Rod at short.

    • Esteban

      I mean considering that they were supposedly best friends previously, I can see why Jeter would get pissed at Arod saying

      Jeter’s been blessed with great talent around him,”He’s never had to lead. He can just go and play and have fun. And he hits second–that’s totally different than third and fourth in a lineup. You go into New York, you wanna stop Bernie and O’Neill. You never say, Don’t let Derek beat you. He’s never your concern.”

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        But it’s true, and it’s also similar to the way they were talking in the video.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          It is true but, c’mon, you don’t say it about your friends in the media. Jeter probably held a grudge for too long or whatever, but like I said, true or not you don’t say that about your friends.

          • Esteban

            I agree, and despite myself, I have to agree that A-rod doesn’t seem to have the best interpersonal skills, or to put it more plainly, is kind of a dick.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

              Note: Complete psychoanalysis. Feel free to ignore.

              A-Rod obviously has ungodly talent, and he was considered special all the way back in high school. He was the first overall pick and he’s had unbelievable success at the major league level. It’s not really so much that he’s a dick that he doesn’t have great interpersonal skills because he never really had to work on them. His awkwardness never ceases to amuse me, though.

              Just IMO. And again, complete psychoanalysis (which I normally can’t stand) of a person I do not know in any way.

              • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

                Hmmm, sounds a lot like what’s going on with LeBron. I don’t think he’s as awkward as A-Rod is, but his attitude has been formed by being told how great he is since he was in middle school. I know I’m guilty of it at times, but it’s really tough to judge guys like that fairly.

                • mike c

                  one could say he acted like a little bitch

              • Esteban

                No, my cousin(s) (which I mentioned above), know him and they say he’s a dick and a womanizer (not that that’s relevant).

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                  Gotcha.

                  and a womanizer
                  I will not make the Bad Feminist comment I want to make.

                  • Esteban

                    Oh, did I say something (is it the term womanizer)? Or do you want to say something about A-Rod?

                    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                      Hahaha, no, it wasn’t the term womanizer, no worries. T’was a comment about A-Rod.

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        And I can see him getting a little upset, but not to the point of holding a grudge and dissolving a friendship.

        • Hughesus Christo

          Didn’t ARod dissolve his marriage to put his penis inside of Madonna a few times? Where does that rank?

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            Hmmm, don’t quite see any correlation.

            • Hughesus Christo

              I don’t quite see any correlation between being insulted by ARod’s remarks and being the devil incarnate, but you went there.

              ARod was/is a dick. He made a dick comment in the media, and I’m sure he had been a dick before then. Who in their right minds would laugh that off?

              • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

                I’m sorry A-Rod was a dick to you.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

                  What if A-Rod was a dick to Girardi? What would Hughesus Christo do then?

                • mike c

                  what’s your real beef with jeter anyway? did he not sign your baseball?

                  • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

                    I love Jeter, doesn’t mean I can’t criticize him.

                    • JobaWockeeZ

                      THATS A SHOT AT JETER.

              • JobaWockeeZ

                *insert Saint Jeter comment here*

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Here’s the bottom line:

                They’re both egocentric dickheads. We love them, because they’re our egocentric dickheads, but nobody is going to win the “Who’s the better teammate, ARod or Derek?” argument, because they’re both utterly equal egotistic dickheads who want to win and want to be part of a great team but also want to be the perceived as the best and want to manufacture their legacies and their public personas very thoroughly.

                They’re both dickheads.

                • Hughesus Christo

                  Except ARod is clearly worse. Don’t Jon Stewart this situation, TSJC.

                  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                    ARod is only clearly worse because ARod has fewer journalists on his side to portray the story in a favorable light for him.

                    They’re both dicks of equal dickishness. Stop drinking the Saint Jeter koolaid and admit that he’s just as thin-skinned and just as self-obsessed as any other elite athlete.

                    • Hughesus Christo

                      Your Glenn Beck-style false equivalency will not advance this discussion or this nation. We are no longer able to fall back on weak-willed centrism. These times call for dynamic leadership–and era marked by our unity and not our differences.

                      Turn to Jesus.

                    • mike c

                      hmm there must not be a lot of online references for jeter bashing?
                      oh wait now i get it— he’s such a dick, he purposely erases examples of his dickishness off of the internet, to dick over people who want to talk about what a dick he is online. what a dick move. you & steve h were right all along

                  • mike c

                    quick somebody quote 6/150!!!
                    that’s how they would do it on fox news, right?

                • mike c

                  a-rod: used steroids, opted-out of his contract during the WS, kissed a mirror for some silly pictures, commission centaur portraits, etc.

                  jeter: rumors of asking for more money than he’s worth this offseason?

                  i love a-rod, but he’s a dick. what has jeter done that comes close to a-rod’s shenanigans?

                  • JobaWockeeZ

                    Let’s stop pretending you know them personally.

                    • mike c

                      let’s stop pretending you’re not just hating on jeter (without any real reason besides some childish notion that ‘he’s a dick’)

                  • Eric Young

                    Been a fallible captain and hought he is worth $23M for 4 years at the age of 36. But those are his only only transgression.

                  • JohnnyC

                    Well, he…acted like a little bitch and didn’t move to 3rd to accomodate Alex. Much much worse than anything Alex has ever done in his entire life. Ever.

        • mike c

          what friendship? you don’t make friends by showing up in a new place and running your mouth

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            They were friends. Did you watch the video linked above?

  • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

    For his birthday I send him “a nice computer phone.” That would actually make more sense in 2010 than it did in 1998.

  • Slappy White

    How cool is it for that kid to say he played short and made Jeter move to third ?

    • Esteban

      Almost on that level, my cousin played at Columbus HS in Miami and was the reigning varsity player when Mike Lowell arrived. Mike Lowell didn’t win the the starting job over my cousin and transferred to Coral Gables High.

  • vin

    Does anyone else wish Fangraphs and B-R can just get together and consoldiate their player pages? B-R is the gold-standard as far as layout and general usefulness goes. But Fangraphs has things that B-R doesn’t (wOBA, pitchFX, etc.). Not to mention the whole WAR thing. Also, B-R has the play index, which is among the greatest things ever invented.

    I hate that I can’t find wOBA on B-R. And I also hate how a player’s age isn’t listed next to each season on FG.

    Can’t we all just get along?!

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      All. The. Time.

      • mbonzo

        Fan Graphs really messed up on their default dashboard I think. Theres a lot of stats I and most people don’t care about. I know they’re probably trying to push WAR, but if I want to see that I’ll check out their advanced stats. Meanwhile, OPS seems like a no-brainer, but thats in advanced batting.

        Fan Graphs has so much potential to be the go-to for baseball stats, but they push a lot of advanced stats that the normal reader doesn’t care about. If it presented itself like baseball reference and still had the advanced stats away from the default dashboard, I would definitely go to Fan Graphs for all my numbers. Fix it Joe!

        • vin

          I’d rather see B-R take the leap into more advanced stats. Mostly because I’d love to be able to incorporate those into the Play Index.

          • mbonzo

            BRef is a lot closer to the optimal design for stats since its so simple to use and doesn’t have a million different sections to sort through.

    • Hughesus Christo

      Socialist! The Invisible Hand has decided that you will be unhappy with all available options. Quiet before the hand gets angry and takes your health insurance.

      • vin

        It can have my crappy insurance. I’m probably better off rolling the dice.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      The only thing Fangraphs needs that BRef has is page sponsors. That would take Frangraphs over the top.

      • vin

        I definitely wouldn’t say that.

        I should start a list of things I don’t like about FG… since I think they’re further away from being ideal than B-R.

        For starters, I don’t like that F-G has the Bill James prediction below the most recent season. Seems odd to put a prediction right below what should be the most relevant data (the past/current season).

      • mbonzo

        Hahaha. Looking at the area where those sponsors would be on fangraphs they advertise their related blog posts. I wish that was somewhere else and the stats were eye level when the page loaded.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    This fucking assignment sucks. Fuck you, professor. Fuck you in your condescending ear, you bitch.

    /vent

    • mbonzo

      Whatcha gotta do?

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Find lesson plans and see if they match up with some bullshit model rubric we have in a textbook. The directions are about a page and a half long, yet the thing is worth only five points.

        • mbonzo

          I have one teacher for an online course that can’t even write the directions in English. I’ve lost a lot of respect for teachers in college.

        • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

          As much as works sucks, I love getting out of work and being done for the day.

          • mbonzo

            I envy you. Though I’m done with my bachelors at the end of the month.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              Congrats.

              • mbonzo

                Thanks, it hasn’t hit me yet. I’m not a school person so I think some time off is gonna be the best time of my life.

                • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                  Congrats man. Go travel somewhere awesome.

                  • Esteban

                    South America. Do it. I went March-May of this year.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Teachers need to be taught how to teach. This is a must.

          However, as the friend of two teachers pursuing doctoral degrees in education, I can confidently say that the process of having teachers teach teachers how to teach is invariably one gigantic annoying clusterfuck of pedantic douchebaggery and high-falutin vapid longwindedness.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            gigantic annoying clusterfuck of pedantic douchebaggery and high-falutin vapid longwindedness.

            Preach, brother, preach. The worst part is that everything, literally everything, we learn in class is fucking great and well intended and what not. But, in the classroom, at least 75% of it doesn’t apply. Everything we’re taught is basically for a best case scenario, which we’ll never have.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              The central problem with teachers teaching teachers how to teach is that so many of those teachers mistakenly teach teachers how to teach teachers, and not actual students.

              • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                Word. This one professor also ALWAYS talks about modeling–as she should–yet does none of it for us. Ridiculous.

          • Accent Shallow

            This Malcolm Gladwell article covers that nicely — it’s next to impossible to tell who will be a great teacher (or a great NFL QB) without seeing them perform.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              (curls up with a good Gladwell article)

              Thanks.

        • I Voted for Kodos

          Teacher education assignments suck, don’t they? This sounds exactly like the grad class I’m in now. Long assignments for little credit.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            The other assignments for this class have been very practical and very useful; this one’s just annoying as all hell.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      A few nights ago, I was venting to RAB in the Off-Topic section, about MLBTR crashing my web browser while I had a bunch of tabs open of sources for my psych paper lol

      http://riveraveblues.com/off-t.....nt-1359718

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        I have a midterm exam on Monday. The new course started two days ago!!

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        I saw that. I probably would’ve murdered a dozen people after that.

      • mbonzo

        Use Opera! When it crashes for me it at least saves the tabs you’ve left open.

      • Kit

        I once misplaced a USB containing a 25 page Biochem lab report and had a panic attack in the library when I realized it was gone and I hadn’t saved it anywhere else. That was fun.

        Also, how did you not cry?

  • Sheepmeister

    Rockies close to signing berkman

    http://twitter.com/#!/TroyRenck

  • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

    I don’t know about you guys, but shit like this really annoys me.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=11ka5oi&s=7

    • mbonzo

      I remember a month ago someone argued that ESPN is a dignified media outlet. They said they had no reason to run outlandish stories because it would ruin their credibility. That person might have been the last person to think ESPN had any such credibility.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      Yankees=Page views, regardless of how much BS it is.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Puma is close to signing with the Rockies.

    http://twitter.com/TroyRenck/s.....0219632640

    Good luck, Berk. Your playoff performance was great, hope to see the Yanks and Rockies go at it in the 2011 World Series.

    • mbonzo

      I dunno if I believe this guy.

    • JerseyDutch

      Too bad. I liked Berk even though I knew there was basically zero chance for a 2011 return.

    • Eric Young

      Oh good…we can probably beat them.

  • Brooklyn Ed

    Matt Diaz for bench?

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      The 2009 version, sure.

  • Squishy Jello Person

    I had to take my 2009 World Champions flag down today as part of the packing process. Not entirely uncoincidentally, I haven’t packed anything since. Bah. packing is hard.

    And physically painful, too. My shoulder is dead.

    • Xstar7

      I still wear my Yankees 2009 world series sweatshirt regularly.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    My brother is a Red Sox fan, and has these awesome Red Sox slippers with with the B on each, as sinful as it is, I wear them all the time, because they are the most comfortable things in the house. I consider the ‘B-B’ on each slipper to stand for ‘Big Bro’ so it’s all good.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      I’m coming to your house and cutting off your feet.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        My feet are more sacred than rabbit feet, that is a terrible idea Matt =P

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          You deserve it for wearing anything Sox related.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            After you cut his feet off, give them to me and let me cure and shrink them. Sacred human feet sound ten times luckier than rabbit’s feet.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

              Consider it done.

    • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      1. http://www.amazon.com/York-Yan.....B003P8TCKS

      2. You best be beating that kid up often.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Unrelated: had a GHS reunion at Thataway’s on Friday night.

        • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Was it an official reunion? We had our 10 yr at some restaurant in Byram, but it wasn’t official… Some people just set it up because the official reunion never happened.

    • JerseyDutch

      Did you at least have a priest exorcise them first?

    • Jimmy McNulty

      I have wicked athletes foot, it’s so bad that I can bathe my feet in 90% pure rubbing alcohol spray them with every athletes foot powder known to man and in three days my socks will still be crusty. Give the slippers to me so I can wear them in a slightly different fashion.

  • James

    This is the greatest open thread ever.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Reason #1 that the University of Miami shouldn’t consider hiring Mike Leach:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/.....id=5870539

    • mbonzo

      He can’t even run his own company successfully, why would someone listen to him about football?

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    what with all the A-Rod talk I felt like I should share this.

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum.....o1_400.gif

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder
    • Xstar7

      funny A-Rod

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      What a dick.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        TWSS

    • http://twitter.com/AnaMariana42 Ana

      BAHAHAHAHAHA

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Is it sad that I saved this to my computer?

      /14 year old mind’d

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....elder.html

    If you’re the Red Sox GM (and therefore brilliant and infallible) who would you rather have, Werth or Crawford?

    I think Werth by a country mile, and the Crawford stuff is just for leverage with Werth.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      BTW-I’m talking fit, not as players. Werth’s a far better fit.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Werth’s a far better fit [for Boston].

        Agreed.

        http://tvclash.com/wp-content/.....stitle.jpg

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          Ugh, you beat me to the joke.

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        Agreed and Werth’s contract will be less years.

    • mbonzo

      Werth for sure. Crawford’s fielding wouldn’t be that important in a Fenway left field, Werth would be a great right fielder with his cannon.

      Also, if you’re signing a long term contract with both of them, you’re relying on Crawford’s knees to stay healthy. Werth is a more reliable offensive player.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        Werth isn’t exactly a paragon of good health himself, you know.

        • mbonzo

          No positional player from the Phillies is. Crawford’s offense is in his ability to get on base and steal. If he can’t run he’s a not worth close to such a deal. I don’t expect him to be able to run even close to what he’s doing now when he’s 37-38.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Exactly. Werth’s a righty hitter with good pop who plays RF. Perfect fit for them. Crawford is a LF whose best asset of speed would wasted in Fenway.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          You could just move Crawford to RF or CF, you know.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            Hasn’t Crawford stated he has nod sire moving off left?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              A dumptruck full of money would probably rectify that problem pretty quickly.

              • bob

                probably not

            • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

              Yeah, he doesn’t like playing CF for some reason (which is weird, because most OF say it’s the easiest to track the ball) and he doesn’t have a RF arm. He’s a LF.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Daniel Nava.

      No, they’ll go with Werth, because
      http://roflrazzi.files.wordpre.....#038;h=236
      Also I think he’s probably looking for less of a crazy deal and he might fit the team’s needs better.

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        Daniel Nava was once compared to Kevin Youkilis, David Wright, Lance Berkman and some other awesome players. He has to be good, right?

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          I think Chase Utley was in there somewhere too.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Since I’m the smartest man in the history of mankind told to me by Gammons I oviously make a cloning machine and clone Casey Kelly’s arm. I then merge it with the msot unathletic person in the planet to make this fair for both sides and trade it for Justin Upton and 200 million dollars in cash.

      Now seriously if price wasn’t an issue here I would take Crawford. But if his offe ris an insane as it sounds then Werth by a longshot. For the Sox I take Werth to replace the power you lose form Beltre and VMart.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      And WARNING the comments in the linked article will make you lose brain cells. Don’t try it.

  • http://twitter.com//TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

    I’m watching old Simpsons youtube clips. This is a quasi-pertinent one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHv3aDa8n_A

  • mike c

    seriously though, what has jeter done that is making fans trash him so much here? i keep hearing ‘he’s a dick’ but come on, you guys can do a little better than that

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Again let’s stop pretending we know him personally. His unabashed love gets old very damn quickly.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Dared to have a subpar year in which he was still a fairly useful player, then tried to make more money in a deal. At least as far as I can tell. Also, he claps when he rounds first base!!!

      I don’t think Derek Jeter is some paragon of virtue, but the sniping at him has been really ridiculous all year. Like someone said a few days ago, at this point Jesus Montero is more popular among Yankee fans, basically.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Sniping? Really? Is calling him old a shot at Jeter? Or declining a shot?

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          There’s a lot of “he’s just a slap hitter who GIDPs a lot” (when referring to his entire career, not just 2010). People complain about things he’s done his whole damn career, like the clapping when he rounds 1B. It’s stupid. Again – I don’t think Jeter is some paragon of virtue, and I very much agree with what tsjc said about him being kinda Mean Girls-y in the past.

          But – sorry, Steve H., I see a lot of “he’s being a little bitch”-type comments to go along with the “he was never that good!” criticism. I’m sure Steve H. didn’t mean that in an offensive way but meh, that word choice bothers me.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            Sorry for the poor choice of words. I was talking about a specific situation in which I believe Jeter acted (likely, again all we get is media portrayals) like a petulant child. Dude is an awesome player and I love him, I think his conduct in that situation (losing a friendship over some mostly harmless words) was poor on his part.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

              It’s okay. I agree with your overall assessment of that situation (again, based on only what we know), just the “little bitch” wording rubbed me the wrong way. We cool though. o/\o

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Yeah. There’s only one little bitch here, and he plays second base for the Red Sox. From his knees.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      From all the (limited) information we have access to, it seems as though Jeter basically froze out ARod from the clubhouse inner sanctum. He was the captain and essentially pulled a “Mean Girls” on ARod, not letting him in the cool kids crowd, either because he held a grudge against him for his prior comments (or out of sheer jealousy because ARod was his main challenger for the “Best SS in the game” title.

      For a leader, Derek isn’t really very leaderlike.

      I personally don’t really think either of them have ever done anything that would make them “a dick”, but if you’re going to call ARod a dick for what he’s done, Derek’s probably a dick as well for what he’s done.

      • Eric Young

        He was the captain and essentially pulled a “Mean Girls” on ARod
        Thank you.

    • http://twitter.com/dpatrickg Dirty Pena

      Who’s trashing him? He’s a declining, aging player making ridiculous contract demands. Has anyone said anything other than that? That’s not even trashing him, it’s just the facts. The “he’s a dick” part was only brought up because you brought it up about A-Rod, and the people saying that are only saying it to express the point that they don’t give a shit if either guy is a “dick.”

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        The “he’s a dick” part was only brought up because you brought it up about A-Rod, and the people saying that are only saying it to express the point that they don’t give a shit if either guy is a “dick.”

        That, pretty much.

        If ARod is a dick, so is Jeter, and so are probably 95% of professional athletes. ARod isn’t especially more dickish than anyone else.

        • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

          The only thing we know about these two is what we get from the media. The media open loves one of them and openly hates the other one. One of them is portrayed as a dick, one as a saint. We don’t know either way.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            The only thing we know about these two is what we get from the media. The media open loves one of them and openly hates the other one. One of them is portrayed as a dick, one as a saint. We don’t know either way.

            Repeated (in its entirety) for emphasis.

          • mbonzo

            From interviews it seems that they’re both pretty nice guys. Sometimes Arod says stupid things though. I really bet that quote about Jeter had something to do with their friendship rather than him just being an asshole. If he was like that we would hear a lot more of it from the NY media.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              Fot the record I think both are geniunely nice guys. I don’t think either of them are dicks. But yes at times both are them act human and do stupid stuff.

              It’s just extremely annoying when people who have no idea who A-Rod or Jeter really are put labels on them being saint and dick respectively. No Jeter isn’t a candidate to replace the damn Pope when we need a new one and A-Rod isn’t a murdering psychopath.

        • Hughesus Christo

          ARod isn’t especially more dickish than anyone else.

          False.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Says you.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            What about Girardi? Isn’t he a dick for using the binder?

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            /alex gonzalez’d

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      He gave Jessica Alba herpes.

    • JerseyDutch

      He asked for money. Lots of it. And he got old. And he kicked my dog. OK, I made the last part up.

    • bonestock94

      Most jocks are dicks, they’re all probly dicks.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        This.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        The drive to be the best is almost always accompanied by a good amount of narcissistic egomania. Jeter probably hides it a bit more than ARod, but it doesn’t mean that he doesn’t possess that character trait. He does.

    • Kit

      I don’t get the arguments because there’s no actual evidence to back up either A-Rod or Derek being dicks. We don’t know them personally, and what is said in the media plays a major role in determining who is a “dick” and who isn’t, and a lot of that is either taken out of context or said by someone whose social skills are questionable (looking at you, Alex), so should be taken with a grain of salt. There’s a possibility that Derek is a huge dick, but he knows how to keep his mouth shut when it counts, whereas Alex just recently acquired that skill. No one knows for sure. I just don’t get where this Derek vs. Alex who’s the greater villain campaign started (my words, not anyone else’s). They’re both extremely important parts of our team.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        Totally agree, but I’d add a qualifier:

        We don’t know them personally, and what is said in the media plays a major role in determining who is a “dick” and who isn’t, and a lot of that is either taken out of context or said by someone whose social skills are questionable (looking at you, Alex), or is written by someone with an agenda, so should be taken with a grain of salt

        • Kit

          That too.

          Just to add another thing here, Alex has been made the villain for various things that are really not that big of a deal but are obviously pointed out to ignite fury. I know he’s lost many a fan because he once declined to play for the Dominican Republic in the World baseball classic by “suggesting” that he “wasn’t a Dominican.” I have no recollection of this ever happening because to my knowledge, he played for the Dominican Republic at least once and as a Dominican American, I completely understand why he would choose to play for the US at least once, but the flurry of people who have come up to me with that as an excuse to hate him is astounding.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            The flap over ARod playing for the DR is a perfect microcosm of why his reputation as a dick is undeserved. He has Dominican ancestry. He has American ancestry. Wanting to play under either flag doesn’t make him a dick.

            Saying he’s a dick for wanting to play for the DR makes those sportswriters who shat on him dicks, though. Those criticisms of ARod for playing for the DR were smallminded.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            How about the recent “literal” fiasco? If that were an athlete loved by the media it would have been laughed off. Because it was A-Rod it spawned 18,237 negative articles.

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS
            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              ZOMG WHAT A DICK JETER WOULD HAVE NEVER POSED SO SMUGLY FOR SUCH A PHOTO

              /MSMnarrative’d

            • Kit

              I’m laughing, but that picture really does not help his “not a total dick” case. I’m a fan of it though, not going to lie.

              • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                Fair enough. the point was “haters gonna hate”

                • Kit

                  Hehe…I got it. I just thought it was an amusing picture for the topic.

          • Shaun

            he chose to play for the DR because he promised his mother he would play for the the DR at least once.

            • Kit

              Even if he promised his mother, he did it, which was my point.

        • Eric Young

          Actually, this line was pretty compelling to me: If you know you’re going to be out of work at 40, wouldn’t you be fighting for every dollar you could get?

          I could modify it to read “If you’re Casey Close and know your client is going to be out of work at 40, wouldn’t you be fighting for every dollar you could get?

          If NYY and DJ work things out at a reasonable price, I think all should, and will, be forgiven and forgotten.

      • Hughesus Christo

        There is no evidence of ARod being a dick? Seriously? SERIOUSLY?

        ARod didn’t cheat on his wife months after the birth of his daughter with MADONNA in the most public way possible?

        ARod hadn’t already been caught banging strippers on camera before Madonna showed up?

        ARod wasn’t a slum lord?

        ARod didn’t get caught doing steroids (and strongly implicated once more)?

        ARod didn’t get caught up in Eliot Spitzer’s hooker controversy?

        ARod didn’t get called out for being a dick to clubhouse employees in Torre’s book?

        ARod didn’t make those comments about his “friend” in Esquire?

        This is a small sampling of ARod being a dick. But that’s all equal to Jeter asking not to have his pay cut and not begging ARod to lord over the entire franchise from the second he stepped foot at their spring training complex.

        Give me a break.

        • Kit

          You’re seriously offended by this like it’s a life and death situation for you. It’s not. I’m sure if you write him a letter letting him know that he ran over your dog and killed him, he’d apologize.

          Also, I didn’t read all of that because what is “evidence” can also be “you don’t know the whole story so see your way out of it”.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            Also, I didn’t read all of that because what is “evidence” can also be “you don’t know the whole story so see your way out of it”.

            Exactly, which brings us back to the media’s place in this discussion. We don’t know either of them, we only know how the media portrays them. I’m sure Jeter has done plenty of dickish things that we never heard about, and I’m sure, as you said, that we don’t have the whole story on any of the A-Rod is a dick list from above.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

              Yeah. The “slum lord” thing, for one, is from… Selena Roberts. And the first sentence regarding it is “A-Rod is not exactly a slum lord.”

              Also honestly what does it matter if he cheated with Madonna? It’s totally sleazy but HC keeps emphasizing the whole Madonna thing. Is it any less sleazy if he cheated with someone else?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          A.) What ARod does with his wife, or with strippers or prostitutes, for that matter, isn’t really our business. Nor is it at all unusual for professional athletes. Jeter may not have a wife to cheat on, but if you don’t think Jeter’s ever banged the occasional skank, you’re deluding yourself.

          B.) Torre’s book is the classic “unreliable narrator”. He dropped dimes on ARod being a dick in the clubhouse because it served his scapegoating narrative quite conveniently. To paraphrase Joe Pawlikowski discussing Jeff Passan, “Nobody rooted for the Empire because that’s how the movie was written”. Jeter was Torre’s homeboy, so naturally he came off in that book utterly scott-free.

          C.) Doing steroids doesn’t even make him a dick. Damn near everybody was juicing, because an unenforced rule isn’t a real rule. Color me disinterested.

          (I assume you also think Andy Pettitte is a huge dick for taking HGH, btw.)

          D.) And no, ARod wasn’t a “slum lord”. ARod owned a few properties that he didn’t directly oversee; bad things happened while he didn’t know about it; when he found out, he rectified it. Nothing about that story makes him a “slum lord”, and the fact that you would even accuse him of such a thing is pretty indicative that you’ve bought the bullshit media demonization of him whole-cloth, which is ridiculous.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Whoops, Jeff Pearlman, not Jeff Passan.

          • Hughesus Christo

            A) It’s not “our business” but it is INARGUABLY an asshole move to cheat on your pregnant wife with hookers 24/7. Are you serious?

            B) Torre is an unreliable narrator, sure. What about all the people being credited with the stories about ARod in Selena Roberts’ book? Did Tom Hicks deny saying ARod is a dick? Apparently anyone saying anything negative about ARod is a professional liar and ARod is just living, ya’ll.

            C) Illegally importing steroids to the United States, lying about it in a variety of ways, repeatedly to the public, lying about it in a new variety of ways after you get caught, then holding a hilarious press conference where you essentially blame your cousin for it: dick

            D) Literally any person in the world, other than ARod, is held responsible for the oversight of a property he or she owns. That’s a joke from you.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

              Torre is an unreliable narrator but Selena Roberts isn’t?

              • Hughesus Christo

                Did Tom Hicks deny his statements? I’m not even getting to the Selena Roberts treatment on here last spring.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Who cares if he’s a dick anyway? What does it matter? It’s completely irrelevant to my life and yours, just like yours and mine are to him.

          • Esteban

            Exactly this. I think ARod’s a dick, but he’s one of my favorite players anyway.

          • Hughesus Christo

            I’m responding to a discussion about Jeter/ARod being dicks. Thus, a post about their dickishness relative to one another. You can’t excuse ARod for being a horrible human being because his WAR was over a certain number last year, and then call Jeter a dick because he doesn’t want to have his pay cut. And then it goes a step beyond by equating the legitimately dickish things we all know ARod to have done (whether we “care” or not) to Jeter wanting a certain amount of money from his employer. The Yankees don’t owe Jeter anything, but Jeter apparently owes us, correct?

            The dicks are in or the dicks are out, but the dick will be exchanged fairly.

        • Dick

          HC, Mickey Mantle was also known to be a dick. What’s your pont?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        As usual, you said pretty much what I would like to say in some sort of ideal world. Thanks.

        (I also don’t know why Yankees fans would be so quick to label either of them dicks.)

      • Esteban

        Oh A-Rod is a dick. My cousins are from Miami and are similar ages and one went to HS with him for at least a little while, and definitely knows him. As I said above, he’s a dick and a womanizer (according to them).

        • Kit

          Right. “According to them” is the important phrase there. It is entirely possible that they never spoke a word to each other. Not to call anyone a liar (there’s no attempt to insult anyone here, I’m just saying this generally), but I’d rather form my own opinion of someone than take that of someone else’s. I don’t know him personally, I’m not defending anyone, I just never liked the idea of using someone else’s experiences/words to formulate an opinion on someone I’ve never met. Some people are put off by something that might not bother me at all. No two people are alike and personalities don’t always mesh.

          • Esteban

            No, they’ve spoken for sure. You could be right about them not just getting along, but they have nothing but nice things to say about Mike Lowell, whom they also know.

            • Kit

              And I’m sure Mike Lowell is a lovely person but he doesn’t really factor into this at all. Like I said it is entirely possible that they’ve just never seen eye to eye or found common ground with Alex. He’s not exactly known for having a brilliant personality. He’s blatantly awkward and seems to have a difficult time getting his words/ideas across in an appropriate way, so it may have just been a statement or a word or an action that put them off. None of that screams “complete dickwad” though.

              • Esteban

                That’s certainly true, but everything I’ve heard about A-Rod points to him being a dick. I don’t care, and in fact, I think I might root harder for A-Rod than almost anybody else because of the constant criticism he gets.

                • Kit

                  I’ll be honest and say that I’m not the biggest A-Rod fan. Doesn’t mean I’m not a fan, but I’ve had my gripes about him, I’ve held massive grudges over things that I should have let go of years ago, but when he’s on that field, he’s playing for the Yankees, and I will forgive him for everything because he’s a member of my team and as long as he’s good and productive and contributing, he’s important to me.

                  • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                    when he’s on that field, he’s playing for the Yankees, and I will forgive him for everything because he’s a member of my team and as long as he’s good and productive and contributing, he’s important to me.

                    This. Ty Cobb stabbed a guy /obligatory

                    • Kit

                      I’ve been meaning to talk to him about that…

            • Esteban

              So it’s not just ‘all baseball players are dicks’ thing. And I guess them praising Mike Lowell means nothing about their relationship with A-Rod. Haha, you certainly don’t have to, but I trust my cousins.

              • Kit

                No, I understand what you’re saying, but two players out of thousands on top of thousands of baseball players aren’t exactly great examples. I’m not saying your cousins are lying or insinuating that they’re just sensitive or whatever, I’m just saying that it’s entirely possible that comparing Lowell’s personality (who probably had only a fraction of Alex’s acclaim or success during HS or college or whenever) to Alex’s is somewhat pointless. Maybe he had bad days, maybe he was stressed, maybe he had a lot of pressure on his shoulders or was constantly guarded, maybe his home life wasn’t as pleasant as Lowell’s. My point is, in all of this, we don’t ever have the whole story.

        • Dick

          I want my name back.

    • bonestock94

      Also, while we’re talking about Jeter’s demands, I thought this was a cool article from a player’s perspective.

      http://dirkhayhurst.com/2010/1.....rs-legacy/

      Still think the early demands were a absurd but whatever.

      • bonestock94

        no “a”

      • Accent Shallow

        This is the only worthwhile comment in the Jeter mini-thread here.

  • mbonzo

    I know my trade proposal sucks and it wouldn’t happen but would you do it?

    Yankees get:
    Johan Santana
    Carlos Beltran
    Wilmer Flores
    $$$

    Mets get:
    Brett Gardner
    Austin Romine
    Ivan Nova

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      (lights self on fire)

      • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

        Does this qualify for the Phil Rogers award?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Needs more Mark Teahen and Scott Linebrink.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            And/or a front office swap. Rogers would suggest that the Yankees and Mets trade 10 front office employees, but, to save money on moving costs, just have them continue to work in their current offices. So Cashman would be the GM of the Mets, but come to work at YSIII every day.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              I just love the fact that Teahen and Linebrink are Phil Rogers’s Melky and IPK. They’re in EVERY deal.

              • mbonzo

                So you’re saying the Yankees should include Melky in this deal?

              • Jose the Satirist

                What would happen if Melky and IPK were traded for Teahen and Linebrink?

                • mbonzo

                  Pat Venditte would automatically be moved to Boston for Casey Kelly. Those are the rules.

    • bonestock94

      I would do it if Brian Cashman had a loaded gun against my temple.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        I honestly don’t know why EITHER TEAM would consider this deal. It’s a lose-lose.

        • bonestock94

          It appears that the best option here is clicking the small red x in the upper right hand of our windows.

        • mbonzo

          Not sure which side loses on this deal the most.
          I’d like to see Flores in the Yankee system but I think the Yanks would have to take some of the Met’s bad contracts.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Every day of the week. Its not even close.

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      The Mets have a competent FO for the first time in their history. I wouldn’t do it. Two expensive old guys and a guy who hasn’t sniffed AA yet? Hell no.

      • nsalem

        This is an incredibly untrue statement. Their first GM won seven World Titles in his previous job, though he was a total racist and refused to sign Afro American Players. He ran the greatest farm and scouting system in the history of baseball.
        You would be better off to know who he is. The Mets in previous years have also been run by some great baseball men including
        Frank Cashin.

        • Accent Shallow

          Their first GM won seven World Titles in his previous job, though he was a total racist and refused to sign Afro American Players.

          For some reason, I thought Branch Rickey worked for the Mets at the end of his life. I was like . . . “uhhhhhh”. Clearly, this is not the case. (It’s George Weiss)

        • mbonzo

          Is that you Frank Cashin?

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      So the Yankees get two good but oft injured expensive players and a guy who’s basically been Eduardo Nunez in the minors, but with a touch more player while giving up two pre-arb guys and a first year arb guy? No thanks.

      • mbonzo

        Flores is 5 years younger than Nunez and has more power. He could develop in to a great shortstop.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          True; I forgot to look at age. Still, I don’t make that deal.

  • GG2010

    Did Mr Moss get banned?

    • mbonzo

      He’s busy riding ramps on welfare, or maybe he turned into mud watching that Richard Simmons tape.

  • mbonzo

    Cliff Lee won’t sign soon apparently.
    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/b.....5/26180189

  • Jose the Satirist

    Brian Shouse announced his retirement. He first played in the minor leagues in 1990, and didn’t throw more than 15 innings in a major league season until 2003. That is dedication.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      Oh to be left handed.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        Fun fact: In all of my classes (I counted how many lefties there were), there are only eight left-handed people, not counting myself.

        I’m a rarity!

        • Jose the Satirist

          There are an estimated 880 million lefties in the world. All of them have an average life span 9 years less than that of a righty.

          /Debbie Downer

          • pat

            Natural selection.

    • Accent Shallow

      Parents, teach your children to throw left-handed.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    This is a quality picture.

    http://oi53.tinypic.com/293twtx.jpg
    (99% SFW)

    • Jose the Satirist

      What a dick.

    • mbonzo
      • Jose the Satirist

        If you search you can find the .gif of that. I tried posting it, but the filter ate it.

        • mbonzo

          I love when Jeter looks back and is like who the hell just grabbed my ass.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            A-Rod really grabs that shit too.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      What do you search to find these things?!?!

    • Kit

      *right click, save*

    • bonestock94

      I need to cleanse the palette with some gurls asap

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        I thought this said “pettitte” not “palette” and then I was like HEY I HAVE PICTURES OF HIM TOO! Alas.

        • bonestock94

          lol, you need to go cool off with a cold shower or something

    • Slappy White

      Disturbing behavior indeed

      • Kit

        Pfft. According to you.

        Also, hi, Slappy, how goes it?

        • Slappy White

          I think im more disturbed at the ass stare than the ass grab

          other than that alls good…..glad to see your back

          • Kit

            Some of the crazy has died down, so I’m slowly making my comeback. Glad to hear you’re okay.

            • Slappy White

              Oh, the crazys still out there…..lurking

              • Kit

                Yeah, I’m still waiting for a bomb to go off or something.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

      I didn’t know that ARod was a doctor, too.

  • Teh Comp Pick

    Listening to the podcast right now, love the delcarmen closer for NL teams line by Joe

    /Gammons’d

  • Slappy White

    This Kyrie Irving kid is really good

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

    If you were one of the most elite people ever to grace your profession
    (coughA-RODcoughLEBRON), would you not be cocky at times? Would you not feel it appropriate to, at some points say, “f*ck off, I’ve got three times as many Home Runs as you”? Or “Does it even matter? Just let me play the game already.”

    The fact is, these men are paid to play a game, and some do it extremely well. There is no “media love” bonus, nor is there an incentive to not switch to a winning team or cheat on your wife, etc. On that note, they spend their lives playing a game, something most people stop doing regularly by the eighth grade. There are no desks, cubicles, dress codes, employee behavior rules, or anything that us mundane bureaucrats are familiar with. There is simply avg, obp, HR, SB.
    Ty Cobb was notoriously unpopular with the media, the A-Rod of the time. This stemmed from a deeper psychological issue, that Cobb simply felt inadequate at life. But when he got on a diamond he knew he was doing something well, and he showed it. Isn’t that all that we want?

    It is true that we do get Ruth’s, Gehrig’s, Dimaggio’s, Griffey’s and Jeter’s. They try to at least project the image of the kind, sociable, well-rounded sportsman. But for every Ruth there is a Cobb, for every Dimaggio a Ted Williams, for every Griffey a Barry Bonds, and for Jeter, their is A-Rod. Such dichotomy has existed since the beginning of baseball itself. And that’s the proof, isn’t it? That shows that since the beginning, all we’ve wanted is great players, not great people. That part’s usually a bonus.

    Is A-Rod a dick? I’m damn sure he is. Bonds was an arrogant sonofabitch, Ted Williams was just mean, and Cobb was an insecure bully. But I really, really don’t care. Because when you look at these mens stats, sometimes you find that Williams was better than Dimaggio, and that Bonds was better than Griffey (most likely), and that A-Rod is a way better baseball player than Jeter.

    And yet some people still care. Well I don’t; neither should you. I suggest you pick up a bat and dig in, otherwise, neither I nor the players give a damn what you think of character.

    • Hughesus Christo

      Athletes are dicks so we should enable their dickery, essentially. This is… why they are so often dicks.

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        yes?

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      /truthbomb’d

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      I agree 99% with this. Honestly, as long as people aren’t like, going to Klan rallies, or drowning kittens, I don’t care what they do. It’s super skeezy if A-Rod cheated on his wife but I’m sure tons of athletes have cheated on their wives, and we never heard about it. Doesn’t make it okay, just he shouldn’t be held up as the King Of Assholes if it happened.

      But Babe Ruth as like… a kind and sociable and well-rounded sportsman? o_O

      • Slappy White

        oh, go watch YOU Richard Simmons video:)

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

        I wasn’t alive to hear about him.

        I’m not sure if he was on a Jeter level, but the media loved him…

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Different time though. That was before the shift of journalists from building up heroes to tearing them down. Not much was made in the papers over Babe Ruth getting caught stealing second base to end the World Series.

          Had he been around today, I’m guessing his perception would be vastly different.

          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            Had he been around today, I’m guessing his perception would be vastly different.

            Missing the beginning of the season to deal with a case of VD might get a little different attention these days.

          • nsalem

            With Lou Gehrig batting.

            • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

              Bob Meusel was up. Gehrig was on deck though.

              Oh yea, it was Game 7

              • nsalem

                you are right. Thank you. I thought I read it was Gehrig many years ago, but I see that I am incorrect.

      • Kit

        But Babe Ruth as like… a kind and sociable and well-rounded sportsman? o_O

        Didn’t he also beat up a fan that was heckling him? Of course, that fan had appendages, but I recall him losing his captain title because of a fight with a fan.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          I don’t know if Ruth did, but Ty Cobb beat up a dude in a wheelchair for yell something from the stands.

          • Slappy White

            He was “The great Ty Cobb god dammit”

          • Kit

            Yeah, the Ty Cobb thing was…special (the dude was missing a hand or something), but Babe Ruth had a bad temper, and it wasn’t exactly a secret if I’m remembering correctly

            (I think I heard about both those fights in Cooperstown)

            • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

              That game where Ruth walked the leadoff man, argued balls and strikes, was ejected, the guy got caught stealing, and Ernie Shore retired the next 26 batters?

              Ruth didn’t just argue balls and strikes, he punched the umpire in the face.

              • Kit

                Sounds like Babe Ruth facts in the making.

              • Slappy White

                I wish that ump could have been Angel Hernandez

                • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

                  Joe West

                  • Slappy White

                    either or

                • Avi

                  My God! All this talk of Arod being a jerk. Did you ever meet him? I once met him, spoke to him and watched highlights on MLB.com with him and Cano (Mike has some pictures). I could tell you FIRST HAND that he’s a VERY nice, and down to earth guy. He was so normal that I kept asking myself, does this guy know he’s Arod? He’s NOTHING at all like what you hear about bonds. I don’t know where these things come from.

                  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S

                    Anyone who’s ever associated with him?

                    Look, the whole point is that it shouldn’t matter anyway. He’s one of the best players ever, that garners my respect/male infatuation with the alpha dog.

                    • Avi

                      I hear your point. But it bothers me badly that Arod has this reputation. It’s sooo far from the truth.

        • pat

          Kit’s right. He was Yankee Captain for like 5 days, then threw dirt in an umpire’s face and beat up a fan.

          http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....capt.shtml

          • MikeD

            …and they’re calling A-Rod a dick?

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        What she said. I don’t give a damn what a player is like off the field (save serious things as Bex noted) because I’m never going to be the player’s friend and his personal life will NEVER have an impact on my life. The only thing I care about is whether or not that person performs well on the field, between the lines, etc.

      • nsalem

        and tons of wives have cheated on their husbands.

  • Tarheel Yankee

    I know this is a Yankees site (bleed pinstripes). I have a question, if there is any true Jets fans here (most yankee fans I know are Giant fans). Looking back, now, and forward would we (Jet fans) be better off w/ Josh Freeman rather then Markie Franchize?

    • Guest

      Giants fan, but Ive watched my share of Jets games. The Sanchize looks like he has a pretty good shot at being great and a great shot at being at least pretty good. Looks like you guys hit with that pick.

      That said, Freeman looks like he is no joke. That’s a big boy with a strong arm that’s winning games with a very young team. A very young team not nearly as talented as the Jets. (By the way, as an aside, I can’t remember the last time I saw a team take so many risks on talented players with question marks and have it all work out. Tomlinson, Cromartie, Taylor, Edwards, Holmes–it’s all worked).

      In the end, I think the Freeman/Sanchez thing might work out live Rivers, Roethlisberger, Eli. You can make your arguments for whose better than whom (Im a huge Eli fan but would rank them Rivers, Big Ben, then Eli). But it doesn’t really matter whose better than whom because all three of them are elite QBs that you can win Superbowls with.

      Long winded way of saying too soon to tell on Freeman v. Sanchez; but both are pretty dang good so no real need to wonder who you’d be better off with. Both look like out of the park draft picks.

      • A.D.

        You can make your arguments for whose better than whom

        Pretty sure the vast majority of people would trade Eli for Rivers straight up right now

        • Guest

          Yeah, true. I and most think that Rivers is better than Eli. So I guess I was wrong to say that there is a true meaningful debate about how the pecking order should go amonst the three Class of ’04 QBs.

          But I think that my main point still stands: they are all pretty awesome so no team need pine for the other teams QB.

          If you have a delicious steak, there’s no reason to covet another man’s lobster. Bite the sh*t out of your steak and enjoy it.

          • Guest

            Food metaphor/d

  • Slappy White

    Anybody else watching Duke-MSU ?

  • nsalem

    It really bothers me to see the way Arod is portrayed as a human being and being put in the same class as people like Ty Cobb. He doesn’t have the social skills of a Jeter or Griffey. He also wasn’t blessed with the guidance that his other two contemporaries had in preparing for their superstar roles growing up. Even watching him in his time with the Yankees he has seem to grown up as a person and in his ability to deal with the press. Yes he is awkward with the press and somoe
    interpret this as him being a phony. Why can’t it simply that like many people he is not comfortable in front of a microphone. I always thought Matsui was incredible with the press and he wasn’t even speaking english. It’s a skill some have and others don’t It’s unfair to judge someone’s life when we really have a limited view of the individual.

  • Avi

    Yanks resigned Mitre for $900k.
    WHY?

    • Guest

      Eh, why not? 900K is pretty reasonable for a serviceable slightly above replacement level back of the bullpen reliever/break in case of emergency starter.

      If the Yanks don’t accomplish their goals next year, it won’t be because something went wrong with Sergio Mitre.

    • MikeD

      For the same reason they had him last year and the year prior. He’s a MLB arm. During the course of the season, even under the best of circumstances, there’s always a need for Mitre-like player.

  • nsalem

    George Weiss not Branch Rickey was the first GM of the Mets. Rickey retired in 1955. While Rickey was never able to defeat the Yankees in a World Series as a GM, he was able to take a good deal of credit for building the 1960 Pirates who defeated the Yankees in the 1960 World Series. The Yankees by the way outscored the Pirates in that World Series by something close to a 55-27 margin.

  • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

    One more vote for the A-Rod is 100% a dick, and Jeter is not, side.

    • Kit

      Still don’t know why you care so much.

      • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

        Didn’t realize you were wondering that for so long. And I don’t care other than my curiosity for athletes I have been following since my childhood, or other people that interest me.

        • Kit

          I wasn’t, I just happened to refresh the page. I honestly don’t care if people think Alex or Derek are dicks. That’s their opinion not mine, more power to you, but one more person isn’t the whole world, so it matters very little.

          • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

            The whole world basically already acknowledges that ARod is a dick. Even he has seemed to embrace it, which oddly makes him a bit more likeable, ha. The people defending him here are even defending him by saying, “but everyone in ARod’s situation would be a dick.”

    • Dick

      I have to say. This thread clearly has been the most dick-ish I’ve read on RAB. I want royalties!

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Yeah, see, I don’t get the whole “A-Rod is 10000000% a dick and Jeter is 100000000% not!” (or vice-versa) argument. It’s too black-and-white and media-narrative-driven.

      • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

        The media is not exactly a bastion of truth, but sometimes the evidence is so overwhelming from such a variety of sources that it is just undeniable. And you did hear the whole, “loosey goosey, I was lying to myself” interview right. Blame the media for that one too?

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          I do think A-Rod’s done dickish things, a lot of them. I don’t agree that he is 100% a dick and Jeter is 100% not.

          • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

            I get the feeling that if you knew someone like ARod in real life, you would be absolutely disgusted by his personality from knowing the very little I do about you from the RAB comments. Just my opinion though.

      • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

        That is basically a cop out too. Murderers are not 100% dicks and Ghandi himself probably had his dickish moments. ARod is more of a dick than not and Jeter is less of a dick than not, if that makes you feel better.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          Sure.

          One more vote for the A-Rod is 100% a dick, and Jeter is not, side.

          That’s what you said though.

          • http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=9370232 Mike HC

            I meant I’m 100% sure that ARod is a dick (and/or a douchebag … basically that entire Kanye West song, “Runaway”) and Jeter is not.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

              Speaking of “Runaway” I feel the need to self-promote.

              http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....nt-1364564

              =P

              • AJ

                I’ll never fully understand the A-Rod hatred. It has nothing to do with the steroids admission because the hatred was there much before. The guy works hard, plays hard, won two MVPs with the Yanks, is supposedly Cano’s “mentor”, is a huge part of why we won in 2009. None of us know A-Rod or Jeter personally and it’s a ridiculous thing to say that you are sure that either is a dick or not. Both love the game and have contributed to MLB and to the Yankees. Monstrosity of a contract aside, I’m glad A-Rod is a Yankee.

                • AJ

                  And if anyone’s a dick in the Joe Torre book its Torre for breaking the Yankee rule of not discussing what goes on in the clubhouse, embarrassing Yankee players, throwing Cashman under the bus for not defending him(even though Joe did nothing to stop the Yankee brass from firing Mel Stottlemyre), and shortening his legacy to make a few million.

  • Yo Quiero Montero (formerly LarryF)

    Just read through the open thread that I missed last night.

    I am ready to take the exam to become a board certified dickologist.

    Thanks for the prep course.