Dec
06

Open Thread: Winter Meetings Day One

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(Photo Credit: me, yo)

That’s the setup in the media room at the The Dolphin in Disney’s Complez in Orlando, where this year’s winter meetings are being held. Earlier today Padres GM Jed Hoyer sat up there and explained his reasoning behind the Adrian Gonzalez trade, and before that Pat Gillick thanked a laundry list of people after being announced as the newest Hall of Famer. Unfortunately Derek Jeter‘s press conference will not be held there tomorrow, the captain wanted to do it Tampa. All of the beat writers are driving out there in the morning, but us lowly bloggers are staying in Orlando. One of our perks, I guess.

Anyway, here’s your open thread for the night. The Jets are at the Patriots tonight in a game with some serious AFC East ramifications. If that doesn’t do it for ya, the Devils and Knicks are in action as well. You guys know the drill, so have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

    I really wish Cash would just make an offer to Lee already.

    Yeah, yeah I know, Patience is a virture…

    • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

      *Virtue

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Lee: It’s been 3 weeks, I really wish somebody besides the Rangers would offer me a contract… I don’t want to do that claw and antler shit again.

      Braunecker: Yo Cliff, Cashman called, the Yankees are prepared to offer a deal.

      Lee: Finally, what’s the offer?

      Braunecker: They’re offering $100 million over the next 5 years, significantly less than the deal from the Rangers that gives you the 6th year you wanted and an extra $36 million.

      Lee: Screw that, I’m taking the Yankees offer. (Proceeds to text Nolan Ryan, picture of dead deer/moose)

      • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

        But what about Kinsler?

        • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

          I’d tell him to sign whatever they give him.

          • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

            That had me laughing hard.

  • YankeesJunkie

    I was looking forward to the podcast today to help me get through my homework easier. Now I have not even started, well who needs to pass anyway.

    • I Voted for Kodos

      Yeah, passing is for suckers.

      I should be working on what is basically my thesis right now. Instead, I’m browsing a Yankees site that I’ve already checked about 15 times today for updates.

      Procrastination is awesome.

      • YankeesJunkie

        Yes it is. Yes it is.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    I hope something big happens in re: the Yankees in Orlando and you guys (or other bloggers) get to break it first.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    Andy officially retiring is totally gonna break tomorrow and then it’ll be the Worst Birthday Ever. fml.

    #optimism

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Premature happy birthday. Are ya 1? Are ya 2? Are ya 3?

      • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

        “CHA CHA CHA”

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      My worst birthday was probably my 14th. It was the first day of high school.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        I had graduation practice on my 18th birthday.

        Father’s Day 2008 was my 21st birthday so no crazy fun there.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Happy birthday. Hopefully Pettitte re-ups tomorrow. :)

    • I Voted for Kodos

      Maybe he’ll read this, decide to come back, and dedicate the season to you.

      /itcouldhappen’d

      • I Voted for Kodos

        Oh, and happy birthday!

    • Big Stein

      “it’ll be the Worst Birthday Ever.”
      ———————————-

      turning 50 usually sucks, anyways.

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      December birthdays FTW!

      My birthday is the the 9th, I’ll be 19 in 3 days… and of course I have an exam that day.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        Mine is the 14th! Wooo December babies are the bestestest.

    • Stratman9652

      A date that will live in infamy for sure.

      BTW I’ve got the best December birthday… New Years Eve, everyone parties on my birthday.

  • FIPster Doofus

    I hope the Yankees go hard after Greinke if Pettitte retires. That probably puts me in the minority, though…

    • A.D.

      I would agree they need to add pitching somehow if they can get Grienke, Danks, other for a package that makes sense I’m all for it. Can never have too much pitching

      • FIPster Doofus

        I don’t think Danks will be available. If anything, the ChiSox will deal Floyd. And he’s another guy in whom I’d have a great deal of interest. Very underrated pitcher.

        • A.D.

          Yeah I meant Floyd, my bad

    • candyforstalin

      for me it’s floyd. less prospects and less money.

      • Matt Montero

        what do u think he would cost?

    • mike c

      adding grienke and lee to this rotation would be next level dynasty stuff, circa 1998

  • ultimate913

    I’ve been coming home, expecting something new about Lee for about a week now. I’ve been getting nothing. Hurry up, people. Sheeesh.

  • Avi

    Quote of the day( by John Boggs, Adrian Gonzalez’s agent): “We’re not working in a spirit to get [the Red Sox] by the jugular or squeeze every nickel, or set a precedent-setting deal,”
    Hey John: We all knew you’re a sucky agent. But to come out and actually say it yourself??

    • A.D.

      Poor, figure such an easy line too: “Adrian has been looking forward to testing the open market, and a trade to the Red Sox hasn’t changed that”

    • ZZ

      Incredible.

      A player with literally no ties to the Red Sox organization under the spell that he should sign at a discounted rate. You are not dealing with the Padres anymore. The Red Sox can get squeezed dry on this deal and have no issue competing because of their revenue stream.

      Given Teixiera’s deal and the contract Werth just signed any discussion with Gonzalez should be focused around 8/200. And that is not at all an unreasonable or unfair proposition given his talent and his market value.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        A player with literally no ties to the Red Sox organization

        Hey ZZ, he said it was his second dream to play for the Sox!!!

        I really don’t think the Sox got off too easy on this one. Padres got screwed, and if they really got offered Beckham++ from the White Sox and didn’t take that that is very sketchy, but the Sox had to pay double, effectively, for a player they would’ve signed out of FA anyway. They didn’t get some ridiculous like, 4/$60 discount.

        • ZZ

          I think people are overestimating the certainty that the Red Sox were just going to sign him anyway next season.

          On the open market Gonzalez could line himself up for a huge contract. He is the type of player where he really could break $200 if he has another great season.

          The Red Sox don’t have a great history of dealing with contracts that large or handling negotiations of that magnitude well.

      • Avi

        Absolutely 8/200M.
        How bad is Boggs gonna look when Crawford signs a bigger deal than what he just got for Gonzalez?

      • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        “Given Teixiera’s deal and the contract Werth just signed any discussion with Gonzalez should be focused around 8/200.”

        But the Sox aren’t bidding against anybody right now, Gonzalez is not on the open market. They probably will, and I think they should, get a bit of a discount if they sign him a year before he hits free agency. If Gonzalez wants to wait until he’s a free agent, he can go out and get teams to bid against each other and get a bigger contract, if he so pleases. But if he wants to sign a new contract now, he’d likely have to lower his financial goals just a bit, since the Sox would be giving him the big payday and financial security of a big money, long-term deal a year before he hits free agency and before they have to compete with anyone for his services.

        We all want the Sox to have to pay a premium, top of the market price for Gonzalez, but if they sign him during this offseason, they probably won’t have to. They’ll have to pay him well, but I don’t think you’re looking at anything above a Teixeira contract, and I think a fair deal will be something less than Teixeira received.

        • ZZ

          Gonzalez is in a very interesting situation though. On the one hand you could say that he is a year away from free agency so he has the Red Sox have leverage to push for a discount. On the other hand, Gonzalez can use the fear of him heading to the open market to leverage more money out of the Sox.

          If Gonzalez plays this right, Boggs should really be running the show in these negotiations. He has gone this far with basically no expectation he was going to get extended and now just a year away he was traded to a team where the ballpark fits him perfectly. The potential numbers he could put up in that ballpark and then taking those out on the open market should scare the Sox.

          Additionally, the Red Sox TV ratings were down some absurd percentage last season. I believe the number was 40%. The Red Sox are in a very precarious situation right now with their fan base. If they do not secure Gonzalez long term it is going to get very messy up in Boston. If they play hardball with him or do their typical line in the sand stuff Gonzalez does not have to deal with it and can leverage that potentially horrible situation against the Red Sox.

          I am not saying AGon should absolutely get 8/200. That is the type of number Boggs should be coming to the table with though. Even though he is a year away from free agency Boggs should be able to leverage this situation to the point where he can get between Teixiera’s deal and 8/200. At the very least it is crazy for him to settle for anything less than 8 years.

          If Gonzalez doesn’t want to play that game though, that is his prerogative. But he definitely has the chips in his corner to get a huge deal even a year before he hits the open market.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            On a side note “prerogative” (which you spelled correctly) is a very, very weird looking word. It’s like the Christopher Walken of the English language.

          • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            “On the one hand you could say that he is a year away from free agency so he has the Red Sox have leverage to push for a discount. On the other hand, Gonzalez can use the fear of him heading to the open market to leverage more money out of the Sox.”

            Yeah, you can say that for any player who is negotiating a new contract prior to free agency. Not really a unique case.

            You’re right… There are positives and negatives (related to negotiating prior to free agency) for both parties in this negotiation. There’s a give and take. The Sox give him a lot more money in 2011, and get to lock him up. Gonzalez gives up some leverage by signing before he’s a free agent so he’s signing in a closed market without any competition, but he gains the security of getting his big payday a year early (so he negates the risk of suffering some unforeseen injury or other incident in 2011 that takes the huge payday off the table).

            To think that he’s going to get a top of the market contract – or to think that he should – under these circumstances, I think is unrealistic. I think, given what we know about how the Sox tend to operate, we can’t expect them to bid against themselves. If they look to give him a contract that is below his top, open market value, he’ll wind up at or below Tex’s deal (and I’ll stand by my prediction that it’ll be below Tex’s deal).

            We could go back and forth all day about what Boggs should or shouldn’t be doing. I’ll just say this… People tend to think that parties should always open a negotiation shooting for the sky and only coming off their ideal (or more than ideal) demands, but that’s not true nor is it the way the world works. Business negotiations like these are high stakes, complicated, and have a lot of moving parts and competing interests involved – both within each party’s mind and vis a vis the party across the table. Boggs may not be making a big mistake by not starting at a record-setting level – he might be taking the dynamics of the situation into account, he might be taking his client’s interests and goals into account, he might be taking his prior conversations with the people across the table into account, etc. In forums like this we tend to oversimplify these things.

            One thing is for sure… Whatever the contracts winds up being, there will be a substantial number of Yankees fans who think he should have gotten more from the Sox.

            • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              One more thing… Just off the top of my head, I can’t think of anybody (non-Yankee division) who re-signed with their team, prior to free agency, for a record-setting contract. Can you? (Not arguing here, it’s an honest question. My hunch is that we’ll find that just about all the record-setting, huge contracts have gone to free agents on the open market and not to guys signing with teams a year or two prior to free agency.)

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      (crosses out John Boggs off potential baseball agent list)

  • Big Stein

    Mike and Joe, are you guys bored by the lack of news/action at the winter meeting?

    • mbonzo

      Things seem to be heating up. MLBTR is now going crazy.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    I turned on MLBN and got to hear about how Andy is “definitely” retiring and how the 2011 Red Sox are omgtehfavoritz!

    I hate you, television.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      To be fair, if Andy retires they’ll probably be the favorites even if the Yankees get Cliff Lee. They’re not done this offseason. They won’t go into 2011 with an OF of Ellsbury, Cameron, Drew.

      • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

        I’d bet you on that, cause Adrian Gonzalez was the last BIG move the Sox made IMO. They can’t afford Crawford at this point. If they do get another OF, expect a low-profile guy.

        • Xstar7

          Matt Diaz?

          • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

            Who knows…

        • Jimmy McNulty

          They have other options other than signing Carl Crawford. Now that they don’t need a 3B they can trade Ellsbury and Lowrie, and since it’s Boston they’ll deal Ellsbury and Lowrie for Grady Sizemore, Carlos Beltran, or Shin Soo Choo.

          • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

            Yeah, um… no.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          Don’t forget about Felix Dourbont too in those trade pieces. Cleveland seems to like taking it from Boston, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see them rape the Tribe again.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        They are the favorites every damn year and have WON THE OFFSEASON just about every year since 2006.

        • mbonzo

          No but Peter Gammons said that the Red Sox are the favorites…
          Sorry but teams to beat this year are the Rangers and Giants, if its gonna be another team, its not gonna be one that couldn’t even make the postseason the year before.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            if its gonna be another team, its not gonna be one that couldn’t even make the postseason the year before

            But Harold Reynolds said they had the best team in 2010!

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        Note: The Red Sox currently have Jed Lowrie and Jarrod Saltalahowthefuckdoyouspellhisname in their starting lineup.

    • ChrisR

      They also have the most balanced line up in the AL!!!

      • I Voted for Kodos

        And 5 aces! Don’t forget the 5 aces!

        • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

          PITCHING AND DEFENSE

        • Big Stein

          you forgot the greatest bullpen of all time (http://tinyurl.com/2ex62qp) and the best bench in either league, bar none.

    • Xstar7

      Not really. Adrian only made up for one of the two big bats they lost this offseason and I doubt Ortiz has another season like last season in him. And there’s still the matter of their pitching.

    • Big Stein

      the day before opening day, seer Peter Gammons was on MLBN with his ouji board and tarot cards saying the sox would win all in 2010 because Dice would win 20 games. He visions came up a little short.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Allegedly the Rangers were only prepared to offer Cliff Lee four years at first…

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      Why would they want Cliff Lee to play first?

      • Jimmy McNulty

        At first, as in the beginning of the negotiations.

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          Haha yeah I got it. Bad joke.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Smart ass. :wink:

  • Squishy Jello Person

    I am never going to get tired of looking at the Jesus Montero-signed bat sitting on my window sill.

    Just sayin’

    • mike c

      what did you pay? could be a good investment

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        A Jose Canseco bat? Tell me you didn’t pay money for this.

        #tmnt

        • Pat D

          Win.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        what did you pay?

        this has potential!

    • Monteroisdinero

      we have one too.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    JJ Putz signed with Arizona for two years. That takes a potential pen piece out of the race. I think we should get another high strikeout artist to go along with Joba (provided he doesn’t get moved to the rotation) and D-Rob.

    My friend thinks that Colby Rasmus isn’t among the best CF in the game. That raises the question, who is the best CF in the game right now?

    • Poopy Pants

      Mariano Rivera

      /Michael Kay’d

    • MikeD

      Your friend isn’t Tony LaRussa, by chance?

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Andrew McCutchen is my choice, but I think Colby Rasmus has the highest ceiling of any CFer.

    • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

      Hamilton.

      • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

        OR Carlos Gonzalez. Both very good.

        • Xstar7

          Hamilton is better. Carlos gets to play in Coors Field. enough said

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          Hamilton only played 40 games in center last season, and Gonzalez just 58.

          Dexter Fowler caught more than twice as many innings in center field as CarGo, and Julio Borbon logged more than four times as many innings as Hamilton.

          In terms of regular center fielders (top 30 in innings) it’s probably McCutchen or Rasmus.

          • Xstar7

            If you want to put it that way

      • anon

        He is a LF’er

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      I think we should get another high strikeout artist to go along with Joba (provided he doesn’t get moved to the rotation) and D-Rob.

      Do you mean the Kansas City rotation? Because Cash has made it abundantly clear that’s not happening with the Yankees.

  • candyforstalin

    6:09pm: Fuentes is looking for $6-8MM per season, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (on Twitter).

    i’m looking for anna kournikova naked on a waterbed.

    /mackey’d

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    In the event Andy leaves, we should sign:

    PEDRO!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDnXkFVEQ0Y

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      See the Pettitte thread and my 11 AM post tomorrow for a fun flier idea.

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    Anybody interested in Brad Penny? He looks primed for a big season.

    http://boston.3432.voxcdn.com/.....042010.jpg (SFW)

    • Yankeefan91 Arod Fan

      OMG its been a long winter

    • No Maas

      Looks more like Pete Abraham.

    • vin

      He’s in the best shape of his life.

      /spring training’d

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      That reminded me a lot of this

      http://newdressaday.files.word.....uumuu1.jpg

      • I Voted for Kodos

        Gas, break, honk. Gas, break, honk. Honk, honk, punch! Gas, gas, gas!

      • Yankeefan91 Arod Fan

        lmaoooooooo

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Thats Joba in 5 years.

    • bonestock94

      LOL what!?

  • mbonzo

    I have a mystery pitcher to replace Pettitte in mind.

    As a starter in the minors he posteda 2.45 ERA with a 13.8 SO/9, and in the major he’s posted a career 4.18 era over a slightly inflated .322 BABIP in a very hard division. He’s very young and very cheap compared to his upside. He’s had better numbers as a starter and arguably better in the minors than Hughes, but is a few months older.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Alfredo Aceves.

      • mbonzo

        Close, Aceves has better numbers as a starter than my player but in less games pitched. My player is much younger and was incredibly more dominant in the minors. Mystery pitcher has loads more upside.

        • No Maas

          Casey Kelly

          • mbonzo

            Casey Kelly is so good he has a negative ERA.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      Joba.

      • mbonzo

        Nailed it.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      It’s Joba. I agree with you, but it won’t happen.

      • mbonzo

        I’d love for the Yankees to sign Webb or Wang to a minor league deal and have Joba compete with one of them to be the 5th starter.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      It’s really kind of… disgusting that Ivan Nova will be considered the 5th starter before Joba. Makes me so sad.

      • Kit

        The thought of Nova being the 5th starter in general makes me want to cry a little.

        • Accent Shallow

          Concur.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    The news about Andy clears up the Yankee budget questions. We all wondered how the Yanks are supposed to sign Lee, Jeter, Mo, fill out the bench and come in around last year’s budget. Now we know.

    • vin

      It kinda does, doesn’t it? I have a hard time believing they will roll the dice on Ivan Nova though. They’ll probably have to take on salary in a trade to get anyone decent (Chris Carpenter scenario).

  • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

    Not baseball related, but 1 vs. 100 is the worst show ever. The people on there are SO stupid.

    The question was how many states do not touch another state?
    The contestant said it was definitely Hawaii, but one seemed like too obvious an answer so she was sure one of the Great Lakes states was surrounded by all lakes so she picked two. So of course she got it right even though she’s a moron, but get this – TEN out of 60 mob members got it wrong.

    1 in 6 people in America do not know that Alaska and Hawaii don’t touch the rest of the states. I am very concerned.

    • vin

      Trick question. Alaska and Hawaii aren’t states. To be a state, you have to touch a state. Every state is contiguous. :)

      • ROBTEN

        Except Ohio.

        /thatoneguy’d

  • Avi

    If you can have any three players in baseball for the 2011 Yankees, who do you take?
    Assume Andy comes back and the Yanks sign Lee.

    • mbonzo

      I’m assuming you’re talking about available players.

      Upton, Greinke, Lee.

      • Avi

        No. Any player in the entire game.

        • mbonzo

          Pujols, Lincecum, Felix

          • Avi

            I’d go Felix/Halladay/Pujols.
            We’d have six starters so I’d move Hughes to the pen which could use strengthening. In the playoffs you’d have to move a second starter to the pen. Probably Felix, as he probably profiles for the bullpen better than the other guys.

            • mbonzo

              I’d take Lincecum over Halladay for age.

              There would be 5 starters with them. I wouldn’t sign Lee then. Pujols would be moved to third base or the OF depending on Arod’s hip.

              • vin

                Pujols can’t throw – he’s had elbow problems in the past. It’s 1B or DH for him.

        • pat

          Jon Lester, Adrian Gonzalez, Daniel Bard.

          Salt the earth.

          • mbonzo

            Yes or 3 cloned Casey Kellys.

            • Esteban

              Nah he’s a #2 starter now.

              /beating the horse.

    • vin

      Felix, Halladay, and Mauer. Since its a fantasy… Hughes and AJ to the pen. I was tempted by the likes of Pujols, Hamilton and Votto, but Mauer slots in quite nicely behind the dish (although I can be talked into Hamilton).

      Of course the right answer is Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, and Raymond Fuentes.

      • Avi

        Mauer is an interesting pick. If he’s ’09 Mauer it’s a no brainer but if he’s 2010 Mauer I think Pujols over Posada gives you a bigger upgrade (at DH) than Mauer over Montero (at cather). I don’t think Target Field alone explains the difference in ’09 and ’10 for Mauer.

  • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

    LET’S GO PATS!

    • bonestock94

      Fuck new england/boston

      • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

        Would you like fries with that?

        • bonestock94

          Sure

      • Esteban

        I agree with this sentiment. So happy to be back in NY after going to school in Boston.

    • Xstar7

      I’d rather see the Patriots win than the Jets. (I’m a Giants fan)

      • Esteban

        Why do hate the Jets? Are they even rivals? They almost never play, so what the Jets do usually has no effect on the Giants.

        I’ve never understood the mentality that Yankees fans have to hate the Mets and vice versa, or Jets fans have to hate the Giants and vice versa.

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          Agreed. I don’t hate the Mets, just their obnoxious fans. And I’m a Dolphins fan, so my hate of the Jets is justified.

          • Esteban

            Oh I’m with you on Mets fans. Listening to WFAN during a period when the Yankees are struggling is infuriating, but that doesn’t make me hate the Mets.

            • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

              If the Mets didn’t exist where would we, who are super serious about the Yankees, get our comic relief?

        • Xstar7

          It’s an intra-city rivalry complex. Neither team’s fans want
          to admit the other is better even if they are.

          • Esteban

            So it’s just a made-up fan rivalry then? I’m aware it exists, but why? If you’re from NY and that’s why you like NY teams, why would you hate the team that plays in NY but a different league/conference? I’m not saying you have to root for the other team, but the antipathy is baffling (c)Casey Close.

            • Xstar7

              A Giants fan who hates the Jets…
              BAFFLING!
              A biased New York Sports Fan’s tale

  • bonestock94

    Just read the last update for the Pettitte post…Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

    There are few events I despise more than Patriots-Jets games.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Name them. I bet it’s an interesting list.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        World Series that feature the Boston Red Sox
        Florida-Florida State games (although this is close)

        ummmm, not sure I can think of any others. if I do I’ll get back to you.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          You left out those riveting interleague games between the Rays and Marlins.

          • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

            I don’t despise those, they’re just whatever.

            Same with hockey to the comment below this.

      • mbonzo

        A hockey game…sorry hockey fans.

    • Esteban

      Why would you hate Patriots-Jets games?

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        After 22 years, I still can’t decide who I hate more.

        • Esteban

          Dolphins fan?
          But still, it’s like a Blue Jays fan hating Yankees-Red SOx games.

          • I Voted for Kodos

            I’m with her on this one, and I’m a 9er fan. I hate the Pats for obvious reasons, and I hate the Jets for reasons I’m not quite sure of. I just can’t bring myself to root for them.

            • Esteban

              How do you hate a matchup that has no effect on your favorite team?

              • I Voted for Kodos

                I really have no answer to that question. It’s irrational.

                Part of it is probably that my team has sucked so hard for so long, that no matchups have any effect on them. Gotta bring emotion into football somehow, or the winter drags.

          • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

            No, well yes I’m a Dolphins fan, but I hate the Jets for that reason and the Pats cause I’m a Yankee fan who hates every Boston/Mass/NE/whatever team with a burning passion.

            • Esteban

              Ha ok, that’s fair, but you have to like that you know one of them is losing right?

              • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

                No cause they can’t both lose.

                Not that it matters cause the Dolphins aren’t even going to sniff the playoffs, but I just hate to see both those teams win.

                I think I’d rather the Pats win just cause I’m used to them winning, so it’s whatever. Whereas when the Jets got to the AFC Championship last year it was insufferable.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Patriots: Suck the big one, just like your baseball team.

    /hates New England

    • bonestock94

      and the Celtics and fuck it even the Bruins. I want maximum sports misery for the entire region.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        If the Pats had won it all in 07, we would have never heard the end of Boston being the best sports city. Thank God for the Giants.

        • bonestock94

          Yea, that day was def the greatest non-baseball sports day. 18-1. Ahhhhh love it

          • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

            I was in Boston for it. It was glorious.

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          Um I’m not a Giants fan and I’m pretty sure I was more nervous during the 4th quarter of that game than I have been during any Yankee game, except for the Boone game. Well and 2001 Game 7 I guess too.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    Pettitte retiring doesn’t bother me so much. He’s been a terrific Yankee, has hinted at it for years so it can’t come as much shock. If staying home makes him happy at this point of his life, then God bless him and I wish him well.

    The only part that bugs me is that we didn’t get a chance to say goodbye. Roger freakin Clemens (who meant about 1/10th to the franchise Andy did) got a long, drawn out goodbye. Moose said goodbye. Paul O’Nie-el, Paul O’Nie-el, Paul O’Nie-el.

    This is the same feeling I had with Bernie. A bit empty.

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      I have the exact same feeling. At least give us the privilege to give you a bigass sendoff. Maybe Andy can throw the first pitch on Opening Day and he’ll get his big standing O.

    • Kit

      I agree. I don’t think I would have been ready to say good bye (still not), but at least we would have gotten the chance to deal with it over the season, not get all hyped up about having him back and with the possibility of Lee in the rotation. I am beyond sad right now.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      All of this. That, and he’s my favorite Yankee, and has been since I was about nine years old. It’s going to be really hard to realize I was at his last game and I didn’t even know it at the time, and we all didn’t really get to say goodbye as a fanbase. Watching Yankee baseball is gonna be weird enough without Andy, honestly; I really wish he could get a proper send-off for “catharsis” (it’s not that serious but you know what I mean)

      This post is lame and sappy. So be it.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      Andy would totally get an An-dy Pett-itte sometime in early November.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        (LOL I love when I say early November cause I used to love/still like that band)

        • Kit

          I loved their “Ever so Sweet” song. Thought it was awesome.

          • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

            Yeah that’s one of their bests.

    • ZZ

      Don’t get too upset yet.

      That empty filling will be filled up in a couple weeks when Andy announces his return for one more year. He was pitching too well last year before his injury to hang em up now. He has too much left in the tank and is going to empty it out in 2011.

      Yankee fans will get their proper send off. Trust in ZZ :D

      • Accent Shallow

        He was pitching too well last year before his injury to hang em up now. He has too much left in the tank and is going to empty it out in 2011.

        Agreed. I think his competitive nature wins out.

      • Kit

        I hope you’re right, ZZ.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        I really, really hope you’re right. :)

  • bonestock94

    Ok, so Pettitte leaves but they nab Lee. Who’s #5?

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Probably Nova. I still have hope for Joba getting a shot.

    • mbonzo

      CMW

    • ZZ

      Trade

    • Carcillo

      Sidney Ponson.

    • JerseyDutch

      Chadworth Edward Gaudin

  • Xstar7

    Call me crazy but the Patriots are the only New England sports team that doesn’t piss me off. Or maybe I’m just sympathizing with them because they’re playing against the Jets who we all know is going to win because they’re lucky.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      Or maybe it’s cause Tom Brady is hot and a Yankee fan.

      • Xstar7

        Seriously? Come on

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          …what?

          • Xstar7

            You insult me

          • Xstar7

            Oh I think you misinterpreted that comment. When I said “Seriously? Come on” I meant it in the “What the Fuck” sense not the “Oh really?” sense.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    12:12pm: The Red Sox are interested in lefty relievers Brian Fuentes and Ron Mahay, reports Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald. The Sox clearly have a need for southpaw relief, and unlike Scott Downs, Fuentes and Mahay will not cost a draft pick. Both are also unlike Scott Downs in their ability get hitters to make an out.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....entes.html

    Fixed that for ya. I can’t wait for the Sox to sign both of them.

  • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

    Padres signed Aaron Harang.

    It’s all over for the Yankees.

  • mbonzo

    Yankees are meeting with Pedro Feliciano’s rep… I like it for the right price.

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      If he’s strictly a LOOGY, then I’m on board with the idea.

      • mbonzo

        Yea he’s pretty awful against rightys but he’s been better against leftys than Downs imo.

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    Come on Pats, beat Fat (Ryan), Drunk (Edwards) and Stupid (Cromartie)

    • Esteban

      Or cheater (Belicheck)

      • Esteban

        Or someone that abandons their girlfriend while she’s pregnant (Brady)

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      I love how Brady is dominated by the Ryan brothers.

    • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

      Time to open up a can of whoop-ass.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      It’s like Joba Chamberlain is everything about the Jets personified.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    This question might be best directed at someone like Ben, but does anyone have a rough idea of what a site like MLBTR would pull in at this time of year?

    I’m asking, I have no idea. Could be a lot or a little, but the winter meetings must be their peak week.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      Not answering your questions, but I’d imagine the end of July would be busier. Could be wrong though.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        You might be right, since it’s the middle of the season and people haven’t moved on to Football at that point.

    • mbonzo

      Mike should probably know.

      This will give you a bit of an idea.
      http://www.google.com/trends?q.....038;sort=0

  • pat

    Ugh, Gruden all game? Bleh.

    • Carcillo

      I like Gruden quite a bit.

      • pat

        His analysis? Spot on.

        His over the top antics? No thanks, he becomes a parody of himself about halfway through the game.

        • Carcillo

          Most color analysts in sports suck now a days. Think about it, with MNF, we’re criticizing Gruden’s antics. With their baseball coverage, we’re criticizing the fact that they are all fucking incompetents.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Allegedly the Royals could deal Greinke quickly if the Jays are willing to include Drabek and Snider.

    h/t MLBTR

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      they’ve been saying this for like weeks now.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        It also says that the Royals are tired of fielding the Rangers’ offers…do. not. like.

  • theyankeewarrior

    Give me Lee or give me death

  • pat

    Are you shitting me with that spot?

  • Jimmy McNulty

    WAT

  • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

    that spot was horrible

    good challenge

  • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

    FIRST DOWN!

  • OXXBOW

    I have a feeling that Lee is going to get 6 years plus a 7th year “creative option” from the Yankees. Total package of ~ 175-180 million.

    BTW, it’s not definite that Pettitte’s retiring. If he does hang em up, the Yanks should trade for Gavin Floyd.

    I know a lot of people are saying that the Yankees will only pursue Crawford if they fail to sign Lee, but don’t be too surprised if they end up with both. You never know…

    • mbonzo

      i doubt it would go that high even if they offer 7th year option.

      Ill say he gets a 6/$141. If theres a 7th year option it will be for about $20 million, which doesn’t even come close to $175m.

    • candyforstalin

      i knew someone would go 175m.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      It’s Kenny Williams so Ramiro Pena should get it done

  • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

    please cut nick folk please

  • Avi

    Seattle signed the best player of this year’s international amateur free agent class today, Estelion Peguero. I was hoping the Yanks would sign him. He got a 2.9M signing bonus. He’s supposed to be a very good hitter who now plays SS but likely will have to move to 2B or 3B.

  • Pasqua

    Folk is fucking cooked.

    • Chris

      That was a 53 yd field goal, so there’s really no shame in missing it, but man was that attempt pathetic.

      • Carcillo

        He missed the net and he didn’t even kick it far enough.

        That kick was full of fail.

      • Pasqua

        Forget the yardage, that was a duck-hook, WITH the wind. Something is wrong there, and it ain’t the distance. The man has been shell-shocked shince Cleveland.

  • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

    facepalm

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Call it hindsight and kitchen-chair defensive backing, but it looks like Smith could’ve made a play on that ball if he didn’t turn his head.

    • pat

      Looked like he lost it mid flight.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        /Melky’d

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        Too bad he didn’t have Phil Coke there to point it out for him.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Much better joke. You win.

  • Carcillo

    I’m not understanding some of this play calling.

    • pat

      Me neither. My only guess is they’re trying to be unpredictable? Too much passing.

  • pat

    HAHAHAHAH awesome kick.

  • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

    damn you eric smith

  • pat

    Dunno why they dropped everyone into soft coverage on 3rd and 22. The secondary isn’t that good where they can cover all those little recivers for 10 seconds.

  • Pasqua

    To keep me from crying about the Jets performance like a 5-year-old, I’ll just say this: Tackling is a lost art in the NFL. If guys aren’t torpedoing the receiver, they’re not doing anything.

  • pat

    Use your effing hands Braylon. Geez.

  • Ivan

    The Knicks are so much fun to watch than years past. And Amare has been terrific for the Knicks granted his rebounding still isn’t great but he’s sure piling up points.

  • pat

    Bart Scott vs Wes Welker? This is the matchup you were looking for?

  • Carcillo

    I guess I’ll be watching Seinfeld and South Park after all.

    Thanks, Jets, for proving once again the Giants are the team of New York Jersey.

    • JerseyDutch

      I resemble that remark.

  • Esteban

    That there is why the NFL’s challenge system is stupid. The college review system is much better and is there to get calls right, not to be some useless new part of strategy.

  • pat

    Lol, Pats punter is getting into it. Haha.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      Don’t mess with the Zoltan.

      • pat

        Not gonna lie, I really wanted the Giants to draft him. Dodge might have the bigger leg, but he’s a headcase.

  • Anthony Murillo

    Lee will receive a seven-year offer, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. At least one club has suggested they’re willing to offer a seven-year deal.

    • Avi

      Geez, This is getting long and expensive very quickly.

    • FIPster Doofus

      I’ll laugh if the team willing to offer seven turns out to be Washington.

      • Stratman9652

        Kinda funny when you stop to think that if they can offer that kind of money to Werth, maybe they could have been more in the race for Lee than we all thought.

      • Avi

        Yeah it might be. On the one hand seven years is too long for a guy who’s gonna be 33 in August. But on the other hand the Yanks REALLY need Lee, especially if Pettitte isn’t coming back. There are no good starters available this year OR next. Grenkie doesn’t seem to be an option either as the Yanks don’t believe he would really play in NY.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      If one team is going 7 the Yanks will offer 8…

      • mbonzo

        Yankees said that 7 is a deal breaker. 6 is as far as they’ll go.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Oh cool does it say that on MLBTR? Must have missed that.

          Time to start the go get Gavin Floyd bandwagon. Never thought that needed to come out.

          • mbonzo

            haha. Yea read it on mlbtr but it came from Sherman.
            http://twitter.com/Joelsherman.....3501187072

          • FIPster Doofus

            I desperately want Greinke now.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              I love me some Greinke too. I would literally give up 5 prospects from out top 10 for him in our system if Jesus can be salvaged.

  • pat

    Welp, you knew that was coming. Can’t just pound the rock. Nooooooooooope.

  • cano is the bro

    damn, jets are getting their asses handed to them.

    glad im a giants fan and got to see them kick the redskins ass this week

  • Carcillo

    Turn out the lights…

    the party’s over.

  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    Having a computer problem. I’m trying to save things to a blank disc for a class. I insert the disc into the drive, select it on my computer, click it, a box flashes on the screen, then disappears. I try dragging files to it? Nothing happens. I try burning the files to the disc? Nothing happens. Help?

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Do you have a program that burns discs?

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Apparently not. Didn’t think I needed one just to save files to the disc.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          Have you done it before without a program? Everytime I put in a blank disc my program automatically starts up and I use USBs too so I wouldn’t know.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            The Auto Play bullshit thing comes up,t hen nothing happens.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              Weird. That box should say which way you want to view your files and the option to view folders should be there…

        • mbonzo

          Windows should be able to take care of that. Sounds like you have a problem with the driver for the burner.

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            Yeah, I figured it should be able to do that.

            • mbonzo

              Do you know what brand burner you have?

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      Parents’ desktop downstairs is working with saving/burning, I think I’m out of the woods here…

  • Anthony Murillo

    Man, this isn’t looking good for the Yankees. At all.

  • JeffG

    Who has that kind of money? Phillies? Tigers? I could maybe see the Tigers being the gamblers…

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    Courtesy of @AlbertBreer: Brady from start of Steeler game thru 1st play of 4Q (15+ qtrs) vs. Jets … 90-122, 1196 yds, 13 TD, 0 INT, 139.9 QB rat.

    Randy Who?

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

    RT @Ian_OConnor: for Jets and rex, this is Games 4,5,6 and 7 of the 2004 ALCS rolled into one. #nyj #patriots

    o i c

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Wow the Jets really looked like shit tonight. Weak schedule, overrated QB, stupid coach, and an over the hill feature back usually means bad things. I found it hilarious when Bellicheck was running it up.