Dec
16

Open Thread: Zim

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Is it a coincidence that Don Zimmer’s tenure as Yankee bench coach started in 1996 and ended in 2003, the bookends of the most recent Yankee dynasty, or something greater? Probably the former, but it’s a great narrative. Zim, now the ripe old age of 79, had a pacemaker put in on Monday and is resting comfortably at his home. I’m sure I’m not alone in wishing him a speedy recovery. The 2010 season was his 62nd in baseball, and he’s actually the last former Brooklyn Dodger to still be in baseball in some capacity. What a life this guy’s lived, eh?

Here’s tonight’s open thread. The Isles, Rangers, and Nets are all in action tonight, and the 49ers and Chargers are on NFL Network. I’m sure you all have something else to occupy your time anyway. Anything goes, so have at it.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

    Wishing the best for Zimmer.

    Big game for Bruins tonight. Win and tie for 1st.

  • Ellis

    Here’s to a speedy recovery, Zim. I was at the game at Fenway when Pedro decked Zim to the ground – thankfully we got the last laugh, winning on a go-ahead Jeterian home run.

    • Pete C.

      It wasn’t a punch it was a take down. Not to put to fine a point on it but it is a big difference.
      Second, I don’t think the fact that Torre’s handling of the team was better after he lost the council of both Zimm and Mell. So I’m thinking it’s not that much of a coincidence.

      • OldYanksFan

        Not even a take down. Zim charged Pedro (kinda like an old rhino heading for your midsection) and Pedro just threw him to the ground. Even though Pedro was the ‘evil enemy’ at the time, I have no doubt he had no intention of hurting Zim and acted in self defense.

        ERA+ Career Leaders:
        205 (01) Mariano Rivera – RP
        154 (02) Pedro Martinez – SP
        151 (03) Jim Devlin
        148 (04) Lefty Grove – SP
        147 (05) Walter Johnson – SP
        147 (05) Dan Quisenberry
        147 (05) Hoyt Wilhelm – SP
        146 (08) Ed Walsh
        146 (08) Smoky Joe Wood
        143 (10) Roger Clemens – SP
        142 (11) Addie Joss
        142 (11) Johan Santana – SP
        142 (11) Brandon Webb – SP
        141 (14) Trevor Hoffman – RP
        140 (15) Kid Nichols
        139 (16) Mordecai Brown – SP
        138 (17) John Franco
        138 (17) Cy Young – SP
        136 (19) Pete Alexander
        136 (19) Roy Halladay
        136 (19) Randy Johnson

        So Pedro is well ahead of any contemporary Starter.
        Oh… and he’s 5th All-Time in WHIP (Mo is 3rd)
        And Pedro pitched in the AL through the heart of the greatest offsensive era.

        His carrer was not that long but….
        was Pedro the BEST all-time SP?

        • Plank

          His peak could be considered the best.

          It’s hard to say his career was better than Walter Johnson though.

          Although, I’m of the opinion that numbers can’t be compared as simply as others think. Players at the turn of the century were playing against farmers. There were no black players, no workout routines, no sliders, sinkers, cutters, or curveballs.

          If Ty Cobb played today, I think he would be more like Torre Hunter than Willy Mays.

          • ryan

            there are no black players nowadays either

            • Plank

              Haha, true. But now it’s by choice, not Jim Crow.

              There weren’t any dark skinned Hispanic players back then either. I think there are a few in the league today.

        • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

          was Pedro the BEST all-time SP?

          Depends on how you value peak vs. longevity. I fully believe that from 1997-2003, Pedro Martinez was the best pitcher in the history of the game, but his career wasn’t long enough to match up with guys like Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson, to say nothing of Roger Clemens, who is a step above even those guys.

          • OldYanksFan

            He was pretty damn good in 2004 and 2005, with 217 IP both years.

            For his last 6 years, Maddux had an ERA+ around 100. Longevity is admirable, but not when you are no longer excellent in your craft. If you started a team and could pick one SP for his career, you wouldn’t take Pedro over Maddux? I admit, it would be close with Roger.

        • Pete C.

          In retrospect you’re right, in fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if Pedro didn’t say ole’ as Zim went by.
          And no Pedro imo wasn’t the greatest, he was great, but how do you not include guy’s like Feller, Marichal, Koufax, or Clemens.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          Yeah, Petey took way too much crap for that. What was he supposed to do?

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    The documentary-type thing that MLBN put out on Zimmer a little while ago was great. Wishing the best of luck to him too (not that he’ll read this).

  • Jimmy McNulty

    This offseason has gotten pretty crappy.

    • Michael Mirabella

      Yeah, and now that news is that Soriano won’t go to the Yankees, there isn’t really anything to look forward to.

      • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

        Would you really want to overpay for Soriano to go to NY as a set-up man?

        • Michael Mirabella

          Yes, what else do you suggest the Yankees do with their money? Or do you think they should just pocket it, like the Pirates do? Hey, its working for them right?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Spending foolishly to satisfy the fans is pretty dumb, no?

            • Michael Mirabella

              Getting Soriano could shorten games and even out the currently weak rotation with an astronomically good bullpen.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                He throws 80 innings a year, at most. It doesn’t come close to evening out the rotation, not by a mile.

                • Michael Mirabella

                  Maybe, but the state of the rotation now is about as bad as I could even think one for the NYY could be. Here’s to Pettitte coming back.

                  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                    They’re going to fix that though. Spring Training is two months away.

                    • Michael Mirabella

                      I hope so, free agent market looks pretty bleak at the moment though. What do you think about Chris Young?

                    • Owen

                      Agreed. And I don’t think the required fix is as big as many perceive it to be.

                      I read somewhere today that as good as the Phils are going to be that they may struggle to top the White Sox staff. I didn’t realize the Sox had been that good this year so I looked it up. Led MLB in pitching WAR with nobody as good as CC (5.1 vs. 4.3 for Floyd and Danks), two guys that Yankees fans seem to be very meh about potentially acquiring (Floyd and Buehrle) and the clearly unwanted Freddy Garcia pitching the 4th most innings and putting up the 6th best WAR among their starters. All told their top 6 starters contributed 17.5 WAR.

                      I think a reasonable expectation of CC, Hughes, AJ, and Pettitte is 13 (5,3,2.5,2.5) which means you need a serviceable 5th starter and a 1 WAR guy to chew up some missed starts from Pettitte and we are right up there. Combine that with a first rate offense and I don’t know what the panic is about.

                  • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS
                    • Plank

                      But Aaron Small went 10-0 that year!!!

                      Best rotation ever.

                  • http://www.ps3tf2.co.nr/ Double-J

                    the state of the rotation now is about as bad as I could even think one for the NYY could be

                    Sidney Ponson says ‘hello.’

          • Plank

            They can take on a big contract at any time before the trade deadline. It’s not as good as signing Lee, but I think it’s the best plan B out there.

          • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

            Lowering the payroll maybe?

            A pretty heavy concept, I know…

            • Plank

              Why would the Yankees lower their payroll?

              Except in a situation like they are currently in where there is no real way to spend it.

              You want the Steinbrenners for what reason? To expand their stables down in Florida?

              The Yankees make a shit-ton of money, they owe it to the fans to use that money to improve the team.

              • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

                Why would the Yankees lower their payroll?

                I stopped reading after this.

                • Plank

                  Well-reasoned comeback. Thanks for putting me in my place.

              • Mike R.

                Yes, I agree. They should only spend money if it is to improve the team.

                Spending wisely does not make you the Pirates. That’s like saying if you dare trade a prospect away for a veteran you are Mike Milbury.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          Would you really want to overpay in dollars and years for Soriano to go to NY as a set-up man? And then give up a 1st round pick in next year’s stacked draft?

          • OldYanksFan

            Very true. And the money isn’t the issue as much as big money for FOUR years.
            Expensive RP for 4 years =/= very good.

  • Mr Moss

    Zimmer made Torre look better than he was

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I’m pretty sure that was the players, if anything.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      Zimmer was regarded as a pretty poor manager in his day.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        The point was that Torre was overly passive by nature, Zim was overly aggressive. The two together were better than either was alone.

        I’ll tell you one thing, Zim would have told Joe to tell someone to drop a bunt down on Schilling in 04. Never crossed Joe’s mind.

    • nsalem

      I never thought Torre was that good looking.

  • mustang

    Well this month sucks ass so far.

  • Xstar7

    Zim was with the Rays last season wasn’t he?

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    So apparently Cubs fans had “We Got Wood” signs when Kerry Wood was in his prime on the North Side.

    • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

      At Wrigley Field…

      PA Announcer: Who’s got Wood?!
      Fans: We got Wood!!!

  • Wil Nieves #1 Fan

    They don’t get much better than Zim. Love the man.

  • Plank

    Francesa at his “best”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iFhZSy2Cno

    • Plank

      It’s painful to listen to. I can’t stop though. It’s like watching a car accident.

    • Jose the Satirist

      Fungible. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. .

    • Owen

      That hurt to watch.

    • pete

      There ought to be a requisite IQ test to be publicly broadcast.

      • Plank

        Let’s start a petition to get 25% of the YES Network being Francesa bloviating with no particular coherence to his thoughts.

        Considering how impressive that video is, maybe he can change the format of his show to explain difficult concepts. I would love to listen to Francesa trying to explain WAR or DRS.

        • Plank

          err, that should read: a petition to stop the YES Network from devoting 25% of it’s time to Francesa.

          If he’s on, at least make it entertaining. Francesa dissects Proust would be a good show.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Mo’s at the Rangers game. Just showed him on television with an NYR hat on.

    • Xstar7

      Didn’t know he was a hockey fan.

      • pat

        Mo heard something about other people walking on water. Wanted to go check it out.

        • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

          IETC!!

  • Teh Comp Pick

    Get well soon Zim.

    Knew teh Yanks wouldn’t give up a first rounder for a reliever, especially in this draft. Nevertheless, can’t say I’m happy with the offseason moves so far. Would have liked that two year deal to B. Jenks to have been coming from the Yankee camp.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      How do you know the Yankees didn’t offer Jenks two years? If I’m Jenks and the offers were equal, I’d go to the Sox too, it’s a better spot for him.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        If I were him and I had two identical offers from the Sox and Yanks and they were the high offers, I’d absolutely go to Boston. Mariano Rivera is not losing his job anytime soon, the first time Papelbon struggles there will be whispers about a switch.

        • http://www.blogs.thetenthinningstretch.com the tenth inning stretch

          Although, I’d have to think they’d want a switch to Bard, since he is the future.

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    If Carlos Zambrano were a free agent today, what would he get on the market?

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      A 30 year old hard throwing head case who walks a ton of guys?

      I would think he would have no trouble getting 4/$60M, minimum.

      • Rey22

        Wow, he’s only 30?? I could have sworn he was like 35 or something. Seems like he’s been around forever.

    • Plank

      I bet he’d get something like 2/28 or 3/36.

      Ted Lilly just signed for 3/30 and he’s a lot older and doesn’t have the track record of success that Zambrano does. The past few years, they have been similar in terms of overall numbers. People also thought he could have gotten a lot more if he had waited.

    • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

      I’d say 3/33.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    I think that our priorities should be to bolster our bullpen and bench now and try to swing a deal for a pitcher based on one of our current OFs (probably Gardner or Swish) at the trade deadline next year. To fill the hole, maybe we can sign Grady Sizemore after next season. This is assuming he recovers from the microfracture surgery and has a good season offensively and defensively. An OF of Sizemore/Gardner, Granderson, Swisher/Sizemore is one to drool at.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      But if he is sufficiently recovered to the point that the Yankees would be interested in obtaining him, why wouldn’t the Indians exercise their option for 2012?

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        Good point. I didn’t consider the fact that the Indians would exercise the option the minute Sizemore flashes* his old form.

        (Note: Ladies, don’t get too excited)
        (returns to drawing board)

  • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

    What a life this guy lived, eh?

    Is he dead?

    • radnom

      Nah its kind of like saying if Arod retired tomorrow he’d be a HOF. Doesn’t mean the rest of his career still can’t be awesome. :)

  • mustang

    I’m disappointed with today, but really we are talking about “relievers”. I just hope that the FO doesn’t see not signing Lee as way to just pocket the money. I’m betting they are not.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      And the flip side is that I hope the FO doesn’t see not signing Lee as a reason to spend that “extra” $20+ million just for the hell of it. I’m betting they’re not doing that either.

      I don’t think they’ve had any major philosophy shift either way. They clearly needed to change their plan after losing Lee, but not philosophy.

      • mustang

        Agree.

      • mike c

        i expect to see a few one year deals on some high risk/upside guys though. it’s not like they are going to cut ticket prices or anything

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          Who though? I agree for the right guy and would have liked to have seen Jenks on a 1 year/$8 million deal or so, but he had a better opportunity.

          • mike c

            I’d take a look at sheets, ducheeresere (sp), webb. i’m not expecting anything out of players like that but who knows

            • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

              Sheets is likely out for the the year and the other 2 still haven’t signed, so they are possibilities.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Duscherer has said in the past that he hated the Yankees and didn’t want to come here. Now granted if you throw a ton of money at him, he might change his mind, but do you really want to throw a ton of money at Justin Duscherer?

    • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

      Eh, I don’t like the idea of giving relievers not named God Mariano Rivera multi-year deals.

      No big loss today.

      • mustang

        It’s not a big lost, but its not fun watching the Sox get stronger while the Yankees are in deep negotiation with Feliciano.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      But they should not spend it just because they have the ability to.

      No sense in putting atrocious contracts on the books because they have the budget.

      Spend wisely, or don’t spend at all.

  • mike c

    step 1: get pettitte back

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Step 2: Put your junk in that box.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        With you, that just takes on a wildly different meaning. I’ll leave it at that.

        • ryan

          oh you dirty!!

      • Mattchu12

        When I need a laugh, sometimes I’ll come to RAB and use ‘Find’ to see what Bexy had to say today in regards to Andy Pettitte. Works everytime.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          :)/:(

          I really was just referring to this:
          http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=6234
          (fairly NSFW)

          I knew it’d be badly interpreted because of my, errr, fondness of Mr. Pettitte though.

          • Mattchu12

            Don’t worry, I got it. I was tempted to say ‘Step 3: Make him open that box.’, but really, I didn’t want to get between you and your man.

  • pat

    Kind of excited to see what KLong can do with Martin. If he regains his past form he was the steal of the off season.

  • Avi

    If Jenks is worth $6M and I think it’s a good signing for Boston how is Soriano at say $10M so terrible? Forget the stupid pick for a minute.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      For how many years?

      (and you can’t really just forget the pick, that’s huge)

      • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

        Don’t you know that the Yankees never draft anyone good in the first round anyway?

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          That Derrick Jeter, or whatever it was, guy never really worked out.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Forget the stupid pick for a minute.

      Why is it when we have a 1st round pick, it can be dismissed as stupid, but when the Sux have them, it’s “ZOMG, Cash is the SUXOR!!! Theo always has picks.”?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      You can’t just ignore the pick, it’s part of the cost. A first round pick has value, and you’re surrendering that pick for basically nothing since you’re also paying the free agent through the nose. If he offered the discount rate in exchange for the pick, great.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        And it’s not just a first round pick, it’s a first round pick in a loaded draft.

      • Avi

        What percentage of first rounders become Major League regulars, How many become All-Stars? I bet the percentages go even further down if you look at #33rd pick only (about where the Yank pick is). Also many if not most of the Yankee first round picks from ’98 and on have been reaches. That is, they pick a guy that the rest of the world has going in the 10th round (i.e. David Walling, David Parrish, Cito Culver amongst others)

        • mustang

          But its the “THE PICK”

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          You keep saying tenth round, not a single one of those guys was a tenth rounder. Exaggeration isn’t helping your case.

          A team’s draft history isn’t enough of a reason to give one away for a reliever. In fact, it a reason to keep one.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Also, I love how Cito Culver is already a bust.

          • Avi

            I distictly remember reading that Parrish and Walling were projected to go in about the 10th round. Baseball America had Culver ranked as the 168th best player headed into this past year’s draft. One sixty eight! That comes out to about the 5th round. If you reach even one round you defeat the whole purpose of the first round. Yes a first round pick has value but that value is blown WAY out of proportion on this site and I’m a total prospect geek.

            • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

              Baseball America had Culver ranked as the 168th best player headed into this past year’s draft.

              That’s higher than Tom Brady was ranked in his draft. The Yankees saw Culver more than any of the people doing these predraft rankings, they knew him better. The Yankees, believe it or not, know what they are doing.

              • Avi

                As proven by their Walling and Parish picks.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Still, Walling and Parrish were a decade ago with a completely different scouting director. Everyone in between – Brackman, Cole, Kennedy, Joba, Hughes, Henry, Duncan – those guys were all legit first round picks. You picked the outliers and tired to use them as justification for giving up a pick for a reliever.

              • CS Yankee

                Mike,

                In every sense of the word, Henry was seen as a shockingly bad pick by nearly every team.

                The rest, I totally agree. Henry was chosen because he was an athlete not because he could play baseball (ala Jordan).

                I like the reaching for the sky picks; surprised that Cole went on to college after saying he always wanted to be a Yankee (milked the system for a backstage pass to a game), but he would of been an outstanding prospect.

                They clearly know what there doing and haven’t made a mistake this offseason. The Angels & Rangers have had less success, and the BoSox & Phils have done quite well.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  They took Henry 17th overall, and Baseball America had him ranked as the 20th best prospect in the draft. They took an athletic up the middle player, what’s the problem?

                  He didn’t work out, it happens. Doesn’t make it a bad pick at the time. Everyone wanted them to take Craig Hansen that year just because he happened to be a local kid. The Yankees were smart enough to not take the reliever in the first round.

                  • CS Yankee

                    I’m thinking back to the Bobby trade with the Phils and recall reading that the Yankees mindset was to get the next Sanders/Jordan and could teach him to correct his fielding antics at short. I recall how Duncan was always praised along with the rest you list.

                    The point i didn’t get across was that lately they seem to choose high risk/reward players who are discounted due to injuries while back then it appeared that they were trying to grab the trend of best athlete; which I think is a component, not the.

        • mustang

          I would bet that if tomorrow Soriano called the Yankees and said I would love to be a Yank 2 years 16 million Cashman would drive “THE PICK” to the Rays himself.

          Understand it but pick thing too far!

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Of course they would, because 2/16 is a massive discount.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          The hell does Cito Culver have to do with this? He just got drafted.

          • CS Yankee

            Heck that was back in June though…damn bum didn’t even make the postseason roster while getting a boat load of money to boot.

            /clueless’d

        • yankees1717

          yeah, hughes chamberlain kennedy and brackman were all horrible

    • mustang

      How dare you?

      “THE PICK” forget the “THE PICK” In a loaded all-star draft?

      The 20th something pick you have some nerve.

      • The Real JobaWockeeZ

        FACT: The vast majority of major leaguers were at one point draft picks. A shocking conclusion but it’s true.

        • mustang

          And a vast majority of draft picks don’t ever see the major leagues. Another shocking conclusion but also true.

          • The Real JobaWockeeZ

            A 10 percent chance or whatever it may be is better than a 0 percent chance. Simple math.

            And you don’t have to keep the picks but trade them for elite talent. It’s also a simple fact that a strong farm helps teams. Why do the Yankees have to rely on paying pitchers a huge contract every couple years?

            I have no idea why people are against keeping a pick but keep the mocking of the people who want the pick on NoMaas.

            • The Real JobaWockeeZ

              Actually screw it if you research any first round you’ll see they are usually stacked with talent.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.....ball_Draft

              I guess the Giants were a stupid and pathetic team for drafting Buster Posey since prospects have a 0.000001 percent chance of making the MLB. Should have gotten K-Rod instead.

  • mustang

    Don’t know why I’m opening this can of worms, but here:

    “In spite of the club’s lack of rotation depth, Brian Cashman tells MLB.com’s Alden Gonzalez that Joba Chamberlain will remain in the bullpen.”

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      so mad.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      They’ve been saying this all offseason. It’s not news.

  • Jose the Satirist

    Who is the most underrated player in baseball right now? My pick is Shin-Soo Choo.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      If it’s not him, he’s near the top.

    • Plank

      That’s a good one. Or Josh Johnson.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Nah, I think everyone knows how good he is. Choo gets zero pub, and he’s a toolbox.

    • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

      I’d go with him.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Brian McCann. Everyone talks about how underrated Choo is so he’s not really underrated (even if he is really good!). Billy Butler’s really good and young too, even with all those GIDPs.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        That’s a good pick.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        That’s a great one. He’s probably 85% of Mauer for a lot less money and a ton less hype.

        • whozat

          Mauer being a good defensive catcher, compared to Butler’s 1B/DH is a HUGE advantage to Mauer.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            I think he was referring to McCann when he said that, not Butler

      • Jose the Satirist

        It seems people are just starting to realize how good Choo is, he was finally put on a MVP ballot. At least McCann has been voted a Silver Slugger and gone to All Star games. That is more recognition than Choo has received.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      Though he won’t be for long, Scott Boras will have a 1200 page binder comparing him to Dave Winfield.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        Fun fact: Choo has been more or less and everyday guy since he was 24. He’s 27 now. In that time he has put up a line of .302/.397/.498. At the same ages, Winfield hit .294/.366/.491. Not that bad of a comparison IMO.

        • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

          *more or less been an everyday guy

          Edit button, come back to my life.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      Casey Kelly

      • http://bloodfarm.tumblr.com matt damon wayans

        The Padres prospect? He is nothing; number 3 starter at best. Have you heard of Jose Iglesias? He is one half Honus Wagner and one half Dustin Pedroia.

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      He was the second best player in baseball last year – going by bWAR – with a 7.3 mark bested only by Longoria.

  • I Voted 4 Kodos

    Hard to believe a small market team could have a higher payroll than the Yankees: http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN.....1299196928

    • Slappy White

      Trying to buy a championship…..be ashamed

    • Michael Mirabella

      LOL

    • CS Yankee

      But they do it the right way.

      /theoisthebestestgmever’d

    • http://bloodfarm.tumblr.com matt damon wayans

      But they only bought people who play the game the right way.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      TEHY SPENT TEH 300 MILLION!!!

      CANCEL TEH SEASON AND GIVE THEO TEH RING HE JUST BOUGHT!!!

  • pat

    Joe Webb has WR and QB eligibility in Yahoo leagues. Could be an interesting pickup if anybody is in a bind this week.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      Nice.

      I play in a league that is completely QB driven, so this will be huge. The league’s rules and scoring are totally off the wall, but QB’s rarely do too bad. I just picked him up, this should be interesting.

  • candyforstalin

    what about a trade for frank francisco? he’s kind of expensive for a setup guy, if they’re not planning on moving feliz to the rotation.

    • Mattchu12

      I think Feliz is a lock to move to the rotation at this point. Feliz is more valuable in the rotation, and they need him in the rotation now more than even with Lee going to PHI.

      Then again, seems like we just talked about the Yankees needing to do that. Who was that guy again?

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    Speaking of Dave Winfield, if Scott Boras was his agent, would Boras include mystery teams from other sports if he was a free agent?

  • Kiko Jones

    He was Jackie Robinson’s teammate, on the only Brooklyn Dodger team to win a World Series; an original Met; a Red Sox coach during the 1975 WS; Red Sox manager in 1978 when Bucky Dent hit his legendary HR; managed the Cubs to a division title in 1989 and was named Mgr of the Year; on the staff of the first Rockies team; and was the Yankees’ bench coach during the championship run of the late ‘90s…Damn!

    Get well soon, Zim.

    PS: I would’ve enjoyed seeing the helmet pic with this post.

    • Eric Young

      I didn’t realize this was about Zimmer at first. I thought it was a semi-satirical description of a Boras presentation about his client, Dave Winfield.

  • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

    Fun fact, every superstar in the league was never a draft pick, merely the bastard love child of Theo Epstein.

    • ryan

      not as funny as you thought it would be

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    If you thought Double Roybow was bad, you should see some of the proposed nicknames for this year’s Phillies pitching rotation:
    – R2C2
    – Phourgeddaboudit
    – Phantastic Phour
    – H2O + L
    – ugh, there have been others that were absolutely awful but I can’t think of them right now

    The one I actually liked? Fat Joe and the Terror Squad. Ahahahahaha

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      4loko was awful

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      Who the hell is making these names?

      • bonestock94

        The same people that do the wave.

    • http://fmylife.com Bryan L

      R2C2 was moderately funny…

      The rest sucked. Balls.

    • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

      My cousins are Phillies fans. I’ve seen all of these. Awful.

    • Totes McGotes

      What about Lee-Halladay-Oswalt (like Lee Harvey Oswalt get it?!)

      So lame.

    • China Joe

      I’d call them “One ace less than the Sawx”!

    • Jose the Satirist

      I chuckled at R2C2. Too bad most of them are terrible. Meanwhile Yankees fans think that “Killer B’s” is a good nickname.

      • China Joe

        I don’t believe anyone has said it’s a good nickname. People just use it for lack of a better option.

  • CS Yankee

    I know that a team can’t sell their picks, but wonder what a #1 pick would be worth in value…maybe 3M$?

    So, while I understand that having Soriano for 3/25 (if he would settle)makes some sense business wise in having a viable backup closer/8th inning stud.

    However, a team really must consider that whatever terms you agree on your enemy just extracted 3M$ in value out of your future.

    • bonestock94

      Well, think about the 09 draft…you think teams would only bid up the opportunity to sign a polished pitcher with the stuff of Strasburg for $3m? I bet a #1 overall pick resembles the posting fee paid to NPB league teams.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        Yeah, it would be year by year, but when you see the Sox commit $100 million to Dice-K and Chapman get $30 million, the #1 pick could be worth a ton of money some years.

        • CS Yankee

          I should rephase that to the way I meant it. A #1 pick in the first round on average (top 25-35 type player).

          The first 2-3 actual picks are the exception, and the Yankees (thank god) don’t get those. Yankees pick like 28 (or so) on average every year (or so let’s hope) due to their record and it’s not like a free agent from them would be signed by KC, Pittsburgh or Houston (netting them a top pick).

          The point is, Soriano has a luxary tax added to a fat upcoming contract that is worth a fairly large value to their competitor.

  • China Joe

    Why the hell do we need Soriano? Cashman says we got Mark Prior for the bullpen. If you subscribe to the “failed former Cubs starters make great Yankee relievers” theory, and if Kerry Wood was an awesome bridge to Mo, then Mark Prior will be an even awesome-r bridge to Mo.

    It can’t fail!

  • max

    Considering Nolasco is in his last year, what do you think it would cost the Yanks in prospects to get him?

    • candyforstalin

      for me there are only three name: greinke, floyd and shields. and i’m almost sure two of those are not available.

      • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

        …huh?

        • candyforstalin

          whatever it is, it’s too much was my point. and he’s not in his last year.

        • http://twitter.com/cephster Ross in Jersey

          Hey man, Shields value is all in his windup. Most hitters are still saying “what the fuck” when the ball crosses the plate.

          • candyforstalin

            he has a beautiful change-up. and all that jewish goodwill going for him.

      • Avi

        Don’t like shields at all. He’s not that good and gives up a ton of homers. Bad fit for the Yanks.

        • candyforstalin

          he’s actually quite good. we disagree, what a surprise.

      • yankees1717

        wait a minute. so there are only three names, even though almost two (does this mean 1 or like 1.5 or something) are unavailable? might wanna expand your horizons a little

        • candyforstalin

          zambrano, buehrle, carpenter? i’d rather have masterson.

          • Avi

            Carpenter is a stud.

            • V

              And probably unavailable. I don’t see a match between the Cardinals and Yankees.

              • Granderslam

                I like the idea of Carpenter. What would they want in return? No idea. But if we give them Gardner (plus prospects obvi), I’d want Rasmus back and that’s not going to happen.

            • candyforstalin

              he is not. and he costs 30m + prospects.

              • Avi

                Carpenter is signed for one more year. 2012 is a team option.

                • candyforstalin

                  which the yankees probably would have to pick. he’s a cardinal since 2004.

              • Granderslam

                But he’s better than all the other options. And could slide in the #2 hole right behind CC.

                • candyforstalin

                  he is. i wouldn’t make that deal, though. that’s all i’m saying.

  • James A

    They can’t possibly be interested in Freddy Garcia, right? I’d rather have Kevin Millwood … or Kevin Appier.
    If they do sign Garcia (or Millwood, or someone else who sucks) is there any chance that Brackman and/or Noesi would be ready to be the 5th starter by July/August?

    • Avi

      I’d rather Cashman pitch than Freddy Garcia.

      • Mattchu12

        I say we start Swisher.

        • Eric Young

          He’s got the best ERA in team history, doesn’t he?

  • yankees1717

    the people flipping out over freddy garcia is starting to bother me. we didn’t sign him to some huge deal, or even negotiate him. all we did is look at medicals. people are pushing the panic button way too fast.

    on an unrelated note, is kerry wood drunk?

    • Tom Swift

      If you have made millions from baseball, you have the luxury of taking less to play where you want. There’s more to life than making as much as you can.

      • Eric Young

        Yu’re not from New York, are you?

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      No but he REALLLLY like Chi-Town.

  • Avi

    I’m seriously shocked at Wood taking $1.5M. Lee and now Wood leave millions on the table to go elsewhere, WTF is going on this off-season? When is a free agent gonna do the same to be a Yankee?

    • Kiko Jones

      Lee may have left long-term money on the table but he took the deal with a higher per season amount.

      No one is going to take less money to deal with the bright lights and intense pressure of being a Yankee. (Or the staggering amount of knucklehead fans.) According to Nick Swisher everybody wants to be a Yankee—well, almost—but they all want the big bucks, too.

    • Kiko Jones

      I stand corrected: somebody did take less money to be a Yankee.

      Yankees/MLB.com- [Russell] Martin, who can make nearly $1.4 million more in incentives based on appearances behind the plate and won’t be a free agent until after the 2012 season, turned down $4.2 million plus similar incentives from the Dodgers because he “wanted to find out how much the team really wanted me.”

  • James A

    Instead of signing a right and feliciano, lets just call up Venditte
    he can do both roles

    • candyforstalin

      i’m not that high on feliciano. but if they use him correctly (which means a 2/1 l/r ip instead of a 1/1) he’ll be okay.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    Wandy Rodriguez is potentially available according to MLBTR. He could be exactly what the Yankees are looking for, as he is lefty, will be relatively cheap, and he has pretty good stats across the board.

    When he’s healthy and has his game on he can keep up with any ace.

    • AJ

      It would be an excellent idea. I hope Cash reads this blog.

      • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

        As cool as it would be, I hope he doesn’t read the comments here, we sometimes can be muy loco.

  • mike c

    boston’s payroll is now higher than the yankees. wow, fun

  • Claudell

    Get well, Zim!