Webb hooks on with the Rangers

Ivan Nova, the mystery winter ball pitcher
Christmas Weekend Open Thread

Via MLBTR, the Rangers have reached an agreement with Brandon Webb. Hopefully you weren’t expecting the Yankees to sign him, because all indications were that they had minimal interest at best. Can’t say I blame them, expecting a guy to rebound from major shoulder surgery after throwing four innings total in the last 26 months isn’t much more than a pipe dream. They need sure innings more than anything.

Ivan Nova, the mystery winter ball pitcher
Christmas Weekend Open Thread
  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

    (Insert Cashman is asleep at the wheel joke here)

  • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

    Maybe if Webb could successfully transition to relief, he could become another Jason Isringhausen and give the Yankees a closer to replace Mariano Rivera when the legend retires.


    • The Big City of Dreams

      Definitely since everyone is looking for Mo’s replacement why not throw Webb’s name in there

  • http://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    With each bad idea that comes off the table, I smile a little bit more

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    Gotta wish a guy like that the best.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

    OMG The Rangers are panicking by signing Webb after they missed out on Lee.

    /every Yankee fan when they signed Prior

  • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

    Webb hooks on with Rangers


    • LGY

      Ranger fan.


  • mike c

    webb wasn’t going to be a difference maker, but i’m a little disappointed we haven’t gotten anybody yet. andy pettitte you’re our only hope

  • Jonathan

    Over under 40 IP and 5.50 ERA? Apparently the Rich Harden deal didn’t teach them a lesson. I’m not happy with our rotation but we still have a better one than Texas…by far. Of course we don’t get to play in the AL West though. Any time now Andy….

    As long as the guys I think should bounce back, Martin/Jeter/Arod/Tex/Granderson bounce back a little and Andy comes back we’re fine until the deadline. It’s not like Dice-K/Beckett/Lackey are close to sure things. Plus we all know Buchholz is good but is going to regress from that ERA.

    • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

      I love to beat the “Buchholz is going to regress in a major way” drum. So many people including Buster Olney have classified him as elite. Elite…after 1 year! Let’s see if he can repeat before we call him elite.

      3.5 BB/9
      .265 BABIP
      3.61 FIP
      4.20 xFIP

  • Wil Nieves #1 Fan


  • Granderslam

    I prefer Francis anyway.

    • mbonzo

      What do people like about Francis? He was seriously shitty when healthy, wouldn’t you prefer the guy who was actually good when healthy? I think there is a belief that his numbers were ruined by pitching in Colorado but he pitched worse away than home.

      • Jonathan

        possibly because he threw 104.1 IP last year with a 3.88 FIP…in other words he threw 26.1 TIMES AS MANY INNINGS AS WEBB last year.

        You don’t get 2006 Webb, you get 2011 Webb. We could do much worse than having Francis be our number 5 guy. Webb is most likely 100% done. How did all those reclamation projects go the past few years….Smoltz/Penny twice/Sheets/Harden/Wang/Duscherer/Bedard/Prior 87 times/Mike Hampton…pretty much anyone who ended their prior season hurt without proving they are back and healthy is beyond a long shot.

        • mbonzo

          And Francis pitched a 5.00 ERA after his injury. Most of the pitchers you mentioned pitched just as crappy coming back and were cut because they were on more competitive teams than the Rockies. A team like the Yankees or the Red Sox aren’t gonna sit around a guy with a 5 ERA if they don’t have anything invested in him. Francis may have pitched 100 innings, but if they’re not well pitched who care? Webb was more of a gamble than Francis, but at least he had decent upside. The best you’re gonna get with Francis is barely a 5th starter. The guy should be a reliever.

          • Jonathan

            your reading comprehension could use quite a bit of work…my entire point was guys that haven’t proven they are capable of even taking the ball almost never end up as anything but a colossal bust. Francis obviously proved he could at least take the ball.

            And i dunno if you seriously think ERA is the best way to evaluate pitchers but if you really think it is, then there is no reason to even argue with you. I said in the very first line that his FIP was 3.88 which is damn good. Only CC and Andy (by .03) bested that FIP last year. You could say Harden has #1 pitcher upside but what are the odds he or Webb reach that? .01%? Less? Webb was throwing 81-83 MPH in the fall and bullpen sessions. Maybe we should bring Wang back. He had 19 Wins in a season! Or maybe you think Arod had a great year because of 125 RBIs. Francis isn’t Cliff Lee but the chances of Webb outpitching him or even pitching for that matter are very very low. sorry you can’t see that.

            • mbonzo

              You criticize my reading comprehension, then post this. You don’t begin half of your sentences with capitalization, I don’t even know what to say about the first sentence, and the second paragraph is littered with sentence fragments. Theres no need to get personal here.

              As for our discussion, ERA is far from the best way to evaluate pitchers. I find it odd that think a controversial stat like FIP would be. Francis can keep his walks down, but his strikeouts are low, his ERA+ sucks, and he gave up 10.3 H/9. The Yankees shouldn’t write him off, but he doesn’t have anything close to the upside of Webb.

              • Jonathan

                reading comprehension and grammar are two completely different things. this is an internet blog. not many people use 100% perfect grammar. it isn’t necessary, and it has nothing to do with comprehension as i said.

                Well if you think ERA is far from the best way to evaluate pitchers, you shouldn’t use it as your basis for claiming he sucks. I still don’t understand why you think Webb has any upside or much of a chance of making it halfway through the season. He’s throwing in the low 80s. He’ll get killed in Arlington. Even if Francis repeats last year he’ll more than likley outperform Webb. Do you really think Webb could pitch well in the AL East with what he has now and without even pitching in 2 years? I guess you’re expecting Prior to pitch 225 IP with a 2.50 ERA.

                • It’sATarp

                  Gentleman we can rebuild Prior! WE have the technology!

                  • http://twitter.com/marcos_aguirre Marcos

                    Just saw off his arm and attach a pitching machine to his torso! He could give us 500 innings in 2011 barring any blackouts or electrical problems during the game…

                • mbonzo

                  Why do I think Webb has more upside than Francis? Have you seriously looked at their career numbers side by side?

                  Why do I base my claims on ERA? They’re not, they’re based on every stat thats not FIP.

                  Do I think Webb will be an Ace when he’s healthy? No, but Francis was crap when he was healthy, so I’d rather take a chance on a good pitcher like Webb. Now I’ve never stated the Yankees should consider him. My argument was that I don’t understand why people liked Francis. The Yankees have enough pitcher in their farm system and bullpen to duplicate what Francis has done in healthy seasons. Webb’s performances, on the other hand, can’t be duplicated by guys like Mitre or Nova.

                  Since you like to insinuate what I might be thinking about the starting pitching next year, hear are the steps I would take.
                  1. Sign Pettitte
                  2. Call about Floyd
                  3. Call about Buerhle
                  4. Call about Carpenter
                  5. If all else fails run with Nova and/or Mitre

                  In the mean time the Yankees should be looking to refill their farm system with international signings to prepare to trade for big names mid season or next year.

  • Gonzo

    Kind of a relief.

  • Alan

    Good for him getting a major league contract and I wish him the best, but I don’t see him making it through the All-Star Break. Unless he regains some of that velocity and can get the sinker moving, he’s going to get smoked in Arlington.

  • Klr

    Thank you Rangers!!

  • AJ

    Great. That just killed his fantasy value this year. And he’s one of my must-pick up pitchers every single year..