Jan
07

Oh hey, look at that, the Yankees aren’t interested in Soriano

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Via Buster Olney, it turns out the Yankees don’t have any interest in Rafael Soriano as of yesterday afternoon. We previously heard that the two sides were at least “in contract” with each other. Olney says Soriano would have to make himself very cheap on a short contract before the Yanks will even consider him. I suspect that if his asking price comes down that much, other teams will jump in the mix. I actually feel kinda foolish for not picking up on the “Scott Boras is trying to drum up interest” angle yesterday, but Ben took care of that last night.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • Russell NY

    I understand the drumming up interest angle, but I see how this can be a good move for the Yankees. They have a pitcher in Joba who has trade value or SP value, both of which are glaring needs for the Yankees to gather a reliable rotation. Soriano is the best option for replacing Joba from what I can see. I like this a lot better than the Bonderman talks, though that may still have to be an option if Andy doesn’t come back.

    I am not aboard the “give Ivan Nova a shot” train.

    • AndrewYF

      “I am not aboard the “give Ivan Nova a shot” train.”

      It’s better than the ‘give Sergio Mitre or Freddy Garcia a shot’ train. I’m sure Ben can make some kind of joke comparing the two to some pair of lines in NYC.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Joba doesn’t have that much trade value

    • OldYanksFan

      Ivan is DEFINITELY one of our SPs. The issue is trying to replace Mitre. Nothing wrong with Nova as a #5. We do want to see if our kids can help. right?

  • hstuda

    I hope this is just standard “feign disinterest” negotiating strategy. The Yankees should be in on Soriano.

    • Russell NY

      Agreed, I believe this is a negotiating strategy. For one of the top pitchers left on the market and all the money the Yankees have on their books, this is not a “he needs to be absurdly cheap” situation. They are posturing.

  • Monteroisdinero

    2 useless but interesting facts on Soriano:

    he is from the same town as Robbie Cano

    he is the rare closer who pitches from the windup with no one on base

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      San Pedro de Macoris isn’t exactly a “town,” you know. The population is basically the same as Reno’s.

      • Monteroisdinero

        well at least he is still the rare closer who pitches from a windup. Whew!

        • http://twitter.com/yanksnats4ever Alex C.

          Rafael Soriano is from Azua. You probably mean Alfonso Soriano, he’s the one from SPM.

  • kenthadley

    by the time he can earn his money as a closer, his arm will be shot

  • Matt

    Seems to me like the Yankees aren’t interested in winning either. It’s been a very peculiar offseason filled with lack of moves, and lack of interest even though Yanks have quite a few holes.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Seems to me like the Yankees aren’t interested in winning either.

      Seems to me that this is another way of saying “The Yanks didn’t do what I would have done, ergo they’re not interested in winning.”

      The only holes the yanks have is in the starting rotation, where they could use 2 (1 if Andy comes back) pitchers. They offered Lee more money than he ultimately signed for, so that was not a “lack of interest” on their part.

    • Tampa Yankee

      Let’s see here: The Yankees are coming off a WS and an ALCS appearance in the last 2 years. The Sox are coming of an ALDS sweep and missing the playoffs in the last 2 years. . The Rays are coming off missing the playoffs and an ALDS loss in the last 2 years.

      Yes thank Yankees have some holes to fill but they are not going to just spend the $ because they have it.
      The Red Sox have more holes they needed to fill so they had to the moves that they did.
      The Rays are losing the face of their franchise, the leader their team (Pena), their set-up guy and most likely their closer so I’d say they have more holes to fill than the Yanks as well.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_MandAura Steve H

      Seems to me like the Yankees aren’t interested in winning either.

      I can confirm this. I have an unnamed source* who told me Cash, after years of 95-100 win seasons, was looking for the first 100 loss season during his tenure in pinstripes. Just to show he’s serious, he’s shooting for 120 losses.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      I heard they didn’t even call Cliff Lee cause Cash was too busy climbing a building!

    • I Voted 4 Kodos

      Seems to me like the Yankees aren’t interested in winning either. It’s been a very peculiar offseason filled with lack of moves, and lack of interest even though Yanks have quite a few holes.

      Can you name all of these holes? Their biggest weakness is the starting rotation, and signing Soriano does absolutely nothing to address that.

      I see absolutely nothing peculiar about how this offseason has played out. They went hard after Cliff Lee, but he clearly wanted to return to Philly. After him, there were no other big name starters available. They still do have options though, as there are still several starters left worth taking a flier on. Personally, I’d love to see them take a chance on Jeff Francis

    • OldYanksFan

      Seems to me like the Yankees aren’t interested in winning either panicking and just sepnding money that can bet better used mid-season.

  • scooter10

    May be we’re not interested. May be a negotiating play. Basically, if you can’t get 3+ years elsewhere, come back here. I could still see a $20m, 2 year contract with a 3rd option year.

    • OldYanksFan

      I’m not generally in on Soriano, but for 2/$20m, I’d do it. But I don’t think he can be had for that.
      /Boras’d

  • Hughesus Christo

    HEYMAN/BORAS ALERT

  • bottom line

    Not to worry. With pitching they have now, Yanks could be solid third place team.

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      And do you think Soriano alone makes them contenders?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Of course, he makes the rotation stronger.

        /Marchand

        • Tampa Yankee

          And of course the Red Sox are going to be the greatest team ever?

          http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/20.....story.html (sfw)

          • Tampa Yankee

            Wow reply fail… This was supposed to be a reply to bottom line and I’m not sure why I put a question mark at the end.

            (I’m Ron Burgandy?)

            • bottom line

              Hyperbole aside, wouldn’t you have to say, Tampa, that Sox look to have stornger and deeper pitching?

              In the old days, Goerge would answer a spending spree by a rival like Boston by raising the stakes. He did so with Peter Angelos in the 90s and basically whisked him off the map. I’m not saying these guys should spend for spending’s sake. But Soriano is clearly the best and cheapest option that gives them a shot at major improbement.

              Meanwhile, there are many disturbing signs. All the bottom-feeding signings of players cut by other teams, the stubborn refusal to secure a reliable 8th inning option, even what seems to be the latest the low-balling leak on Pettitte. These are all counter-productive if the Yanks field a mediocre team and begin losing attendance and viewership. It can happen. Mark those words.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Mark these words.

                Done. See you in October.

                • bottom line

                  Early October, at best

                  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                    We’re going to see about that, won’t we?

                    Maybe this will help you learn that, believe or not, moves can also be made in season when there’s no decent help available in the offseason.

              • http://twitter.com/steveh_MandAura Steve H

                So much in here to laugh at, I don’t know where to start.

              • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

                stubborn refusal to secure a reliable 8th inning option =/= Refusal to pay 4/40+ for a reliever who has essential spent 33% of his career on the DL with major elbow injuries

              • Tampa Yankee

                Hyperbole aside, wouldn’t you have to say, Tampa, that Sox look to have stornger and deeper pitching?
                Only to a degree. CC, Lester and Price are pretty much a wash. AJ, Beckett and Garza are all inconsistent. Phil, Buchholz and Davis are young and inconsistent (Phil being the youngest btw). Lackey, Dice-K, Sields and Niemann are all better than Nova and Mitre but I doubt that’s the final two in the Yanks rotation on opening day. Then their is the bullpen. The Rays is terrible after the players they lost. The Sox improved theirs but I’m not impressed with the players they signed so I’d still take the Yanks bullpen over the other two.

                In the old days, Goerge would answer a spending spree by a rival like Boston by raising the stakes. He did so with Peter Angelos in the 90s and basically whisked him off the map.
                And then the Yanks did nothing in the mid-2000s because of it.

                I’m not saying these guys should spend for spending’s sake. But Soriano is clearly the best and cheapest option that gives them a shot at major improbement.
                Is he an improvement? Yes but improving the bullpen just because you can when there are other areas that need to be improved first, IMO, is not a smart move. Signing another set-up can open up the possibility of including Joba in a trade for a better SP but who is out there that is available?

                Meanwhile, there are many disturbing signs. All the bottom-feeding signings of players cut by other teams,
                They are called depth moves

                he stubborn refusal to secure a reliable 8th inning option
                The most overrated position in baseball!

                even what seems to be the latest the low-balling leak on Pettitte.
                Yup, I hate it when my boss/employer low balls me and offers me a raise.

                These are all counter-productive if the Yanks field a mediocre team and begin losing attendance and viewership.
                Yeah I don’t think the Yankees are worried about losing attendance and viewership.

                It can happen. Mark those words.
                Sure thing.

              • I Voted 4 Kodos

                65 innings of Soriano =/= a season-saving improvement, especially when he is unlikely to replicate his numbers from last year.

                The Yankees have shown the last few years that an extremely effective bullpen can be built from within. Large contracts for relievers rarely work out well.

              • Sweet Dick Willie

                Sox look to have stornger and deeper pitching

                Would you care to explain this statement?

                The Sux have a legitimate ace (as do the Yanks). Beckett has been average/sucked 2 of the last 3 seasons and is coming off a back injury. Lackey and Dice-K are league average at best, and Buchholz is due for a regression to the mean.

                I must be missing something, because that rotation appears neither strong nor deep.

                I grant you that if every starter has a career year (other than Lester, he need only have his typical year), that would indeed be a strong rotation. But what are the chances of that happening?

                • bottom line

                  “The Sux have a legitimate ace (as do the Yanks). Beckett has been average/sucked 2 of the last 3 seasons and is coming off a back injury. Lackey and Dice-K are league average at best, and Buchholz is due for a regression to the mean”

                  Very labored logic here. Could just as easily say: Beckett is due to bounce back. Lackey and Dice-K are league average whice Mitre will never be and we can only hope Nova will. And Bucholz –even if he regresses more than a run from last year’s ERA will still be under 4– what we only hope Hughes and AJ can match.

                  • OldYanksFan

                    The Sox DO have a good rotation. Better then ours now. They have a very good team.

                    So what?

                    Cashman should panic and do something stupid, ala George?

                    Cashman can’t stop Lee from prefering the Phils, or other teams from getting better.

                    Cashman’s job is to be smart.
                    Overpaying and overly long contracts are not smart.

                    If we win the WS, no one will care if we got there as the Wild Card.

                    Cashman will make smart moves when they become available.

              • http://www.ps3tf2.co.nr/ Double-J

                Mark those words.

                Which ones? “Stornger,” “George,” or “Improbement”?

                • http://www.ps3tf2.co.nr/ Double-J

                  “Goerge”

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Meanwhile, there are many disturbing signs. All the bottom-feeding signings of players cut by other teams

                Hey, your precious Red Sox signed Tony Pena Jr., Max Ramirez, and Andrew Miller after they traded for him just to DFA him then re-sign him apparently. Disturbing. (it’s called depth moves.)

  • Tampa Yankee

    Heyman saying the Yankees are in contact with Soriano + Boras as Soriano’s agent = Boras tells Heyman to say the Yankees are in contact to drum up interest since Heyman is Boras’ puppet.

  • Super Nintendo Chalmers

    I’d rather send prospects (as long as the demands aren’t outrageous) for a capable starter like Wandy or Carmona than go after Soriano. Loss of draft pick+injury history+age+strengthening something that needs less work than the rotation

  • Fair Weather Freddy

    I actually wouldn’t mind giving Bartolo Colon a chance. Reportson him in the Winter League have been pretty good, and word is he has lost a ton of weight, which was always his biggest problem. Sign him to a minor league deal and invite him to ST. Can’t hurt.

  • Monteroisdinero

    Loss of a 31st pick….And a player was mentioned in discussing the need to upgrade the right handed hitting extra outfielder by the name of Greg Golson who was a 21st pick, first rounder in 2004. Funny how that works… He was considered by some “experts” to be the best OF prospect in the country at the time.

    The draft pick argument can be bent to suit your purpose. Soriano is a proven commodity.

    • camilo Gerardo

      it is the phillies you are talking aboot

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      Soriano is a proven commodity

      02: 47.1 IP (30 days DL -Shoulder)
      03: 53.0 IP
      04: 3.1 IP (147 days DL – Elbow)
      05: 7.1 IP (157 days DL – Elbow)
      06: 60.0 IP (47 days DL – 15 for Shoulder, 32 for concussion)
      07: 72.0 IP
      08: 14.0 IP (153 days DL – Elbow)
      09: 75.2 IP
      10: 62.1 IP

      He’s proven for sure, definitely has a theme throughout his career.

  • bottom line

    Exactly.

    Remember Shea Morenz? Brian Buchanan? Need I bring up CJ Henry?

    These were first round picks– and much higher than 31, as I recall. The sorts of prospects that would land a valuable arm are worth far more than the 31st pick. These are guys who’ve already established themelves as having a shot at being major leaguers. FOr that reason, I would not trade a Betrances or Banueolos for example. Even Romine — whom I would consider tradeable — is worth fra more at this point than the 31st pick in a “deep” draft.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      Remember Phil Hughes? Drafted 23rd, so bringing up 3 names doesn’t prove anything – because you can be here for days naming busts and booms who were drafted 20-30

      • OldYanksFan

        Really…. some people failed Logic 101.

  • bottom line

    Yeah, but the busts far outnumber the booms. The chance of any first rounder making it to the majors is somethig like 30% Obviously,. much lower for #31.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      The draft pick argument this yeah, though, is that you’re not looking at a typical 31st pick this year; the draft is deep enough that you can get 15th overall talent late into the first round. Furthermore, no one knows how the draft is going to be affected by the CBA after this year. The player’s union could cave to owners’ demands for hard slotting.

    • OldYanksFan

      Jeez… YOU’RE RIGHT.
      So let’s just drop out of the draft completely.
      Save some money.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Yeah, but the busts far outnumber the booms.

      Funny, we could also apply that logic to free agent relievers.

      • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

        Here’s the problem with that. Draft pick busts turn out to be guys that just didn’t “have it” as far as Major League talent. Something hard to quantify in a player that hasn’t even played Class A professional baseball yet, much less against actual MLB talent.

        Free agent relievers have proven whether or not they can pitch at MLB level. The reason many free agent relievers bust is because they’re very often players that the original team is glad to let go of. I think way back to the 1990 off-season when Gene Michael was more than happy to let Righetti go because he though he only had maybe two more years left in the tank. He was right, but the Giants didn’t realize this themselves. They thought they were getting a top of the line closer.

        How about K-Rod. Coming off a record breaking year, many thought the Angels just didn’t want to pay him. In fact, they thought he was losing his stuff and felt they were ready to move on. In that case, K-Rod was able to get the Mets to bite and we’ve seen how that’s turned out so far.

        The difference with Soriano is that we KNOW the Rays are not letting him go because of a drop-off in talent. We know they just don’t want to pay him. That’s clear. That’s why I don’t think he’s the same type of gamble the aforementioned (and many other) relievers were. It’s also why a draft pick bust is entirely different than a free agent bust.

        • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

          Rays are letting him go because they know 40m to a 30+ reliever who has spent 500+ days on the DL is a bad investment.

  • Doug

    Apparently, the Yanks are leary about long-term deals for relievers. At least that’s what the 1st part of Olney’s tweet says: “They’ve seen a lot of $ squandered on set-up men.”

    Me like

  • bottom line

    Many more busts than booms. most first round puicks never makeimpact on MLB level. Much worse for #31.

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      If a bunch of kids from the 8-15th rounds make the majors, it’s not because he’s David Eckstein, it’s because they were 1st round talents who had a high asking prices or some kind of red flags. Doesn’t mean that 1st round picks are overrated and we should only draft in the late rounds.

      I’ll take the choice of drafting the 30th most talent kid (because Yankees can meet most kids demands) in a draft over giving a multi-year deal to a 30+ year old reliever who has missed 3 of his 9 seasons.

    • camilo Gerardo

      boom or bust also includes relievers, more or less. if so facto, I’d rather take the chance with a player at a dif position; worst case: starter turned reliever

      • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

        See two posts above as to why (I believe) a free agent reliever busts. It has nothing to do with the position.

  • jsbrendog (returns)

    good.

  • http://www.twitter.com/adorador00 Ray Fuego

    This doesn’t surprise me. Although we know the tactics Boras uses, why does them media continue to fall into them? Easy, the Yankees always bring readers in, as well as drive up the price for free agents.

    • http://www.twitter.com/adorador00 Ray Fuego

      Gahhh, the**

      /Proofread fail

  • slim

    lot of KoolAid being consumed around these parts.
    belief in AJ, Nova ; confidence in the Yanks internal 8th inning guys; Yanks offered Cliff Lee more money, etc..

    Yankees have the money they should spend it on the best available player, who right now is Soriano.

    They low-balled Cliff Lee and it backfired (he signed for a more per year deal with Philly not less) and Cashman has done nothing this offseason. He is not the best fit but the best available option and he does help fill a hole.
    Does everyone forget how good awful Robertson was in the playoffs.
    And if anyone trusts the 8th inning to Joba right now they should get their head examined.
    Soriano is a improvement for the future as well as when MO retires you have an in-house replacement rather than trolling the FA market at that time.

    Yanks rotation is worse than the bullpen but there is no easy remedy to that, the bullpen can be remedied.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Yankees have the money they should spend it on the best available player

      Wrong. Nothing more to add. This statement is flat out false.

      Soriano is a improvement for the future as well as when MO retires

      See Zack’s post above:
      http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....nt-1504438

      the bullpen can be remedied.

      This statement is true. And if you’ve been paying attention the past few years, Cashman has figured out how to do it on the cheap. Absolutely no need to over pay an oft injured player to fix the bullpen.

    • Jess

      Offering the most money to Lee, more than he was worth, was low balling? Anyone want to try to explain that?

      Reading some of these posts tells me there is a group of Yankee fans that get like drug addicts without their fix when the Yankee don’t outspend everyone or trade for salary dumps. And the media and Boras can easily manipulate them.

      It’s like these fans root for the Yanks only because they spend the most. And when they don’t, they whine like soiled children. I look forward to seeing the Yanks match up against Boston’s multi- millionaires. And if we lose, I’ll just bring up how they bought a title like they always do to us.