Jan
23

Open Thread: AFC Title Game

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Santonio's ready to face the team that traded him for a fifth rounder. (AP Photo/Winslow Townson)

Following last week’s thrilling win over the Patriots, the Jets march into Heinz Field to take on the Steelers. They’ve already beaten Peyton Manning and Tom Brady this postseason, and if they complete the trifecta against Ben Roethlisberger tonight, well then mark your calendars for Gang Green’s Super Bowl date. This game start at 6:30pm ET, hence the slightly early open thread, and can be seen on CBS. Enjoy the game, everyone.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    When the Jets win it will be crazy. They have all the momentum (I’m not a believer, but they did it against Manning and Brady. That’s goddamn impressive) on their side.

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      *not a believer in momentum

      • YankeesJunkie

        Good! You were about to be kicked out for believing in something that can’t be measured.

        • YankeesJunkie

          Yet

    • Ivan

      No questions. Hey I think the Jets are alot better than people give em credit for. I mean think about it, player for player on both offense and Defense compare to the Pats for example, you can make the arguement the Jets are the better team rite?

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        The Jets have also gotten very lucky this season and have won a few games on last-minute plays. A win is a win, but they didn’t dominate all season like the Pats did (not that that matters now). They beat the Colts last minute and then beat a rusty Patriots team that played its worst game of the season.

        • Ivan

          Understandable, however, the Pats weren’t as great as their 14-2 record would indicate. The Pats D wasn’t that good, their offensive weaposn weren’t even all that talented either. I mean the Pats went 14-2 because Tom Brady was super human and almost never turnover the ball.

          I mean im just saying, the Jets certainly had the better D, and on offense, outside of QB, I felt the Jets were better. I mean you would take Branch/Welker over Holmes/Edwards. Not to mention the Jets running game was better too.

        • http://twitter.com/stophamm3rtime Dela G

          beat a “rusty” patriots team? cmon kiersten, that is a bogus claim. So are you going to tell me that brady was rusty because he didnt play in 2 consecutive weeks? i definitely remember the steelers not playing for 2 weeks and beating the ravens.

          The jets destroyed the patriots, they werent rusty at all

          • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

            They played poorly. Just like a few weeks earlier the Jets played poorly and got killed by the Pats.
            I’m not saying the Jets didn’t deserve to win or anything like that, but you gotta admit the Pats weren’t at the top of their game last week. It happens every year and that’s part of a one-and-out playoff.

  • NJYankeeFan

    J-E-T-S. Jets. Jets. Jets. The boys from New Yawk are here to kill the Steelers and their degenerate QB.

    • mbonzo

      New Jersey

  • Mantle28

    http://us.akinator.com/#

    It got Raymond Felton, God and Mariano Rivera all on the first try :|

    • MikeD

      So your second and third games were the same diety?

      I went with two well-known characters, one real, one fake (Howard Stern and Captain Kirk), both which it guessed. On my third try, I went with another well-known, real baseball player, though retired: Bucky Dent. It was not able to guess Dent, although I kept giving it plenty of opportunities. It eventually gave up and asked me for the answer. I’m guessing that will get fed into the computer, making it less likely Bucky Dent will confuse it. Perhaps if someone else tries Dent now, the computer will get it.

    • mbonzo

      I did Gehrig and on the 14th or 15th question it started asking Is your character asian? Is your character made of metal? Is your character mechanical? Can your character be driven?

      I thought… perfect, finally beat the computer.

      But Lou Gehrig popped up, wtf?

      • MikeD

        Yeah, I got some odd questions like that, too (although not the same ones), even though I had already answered a question (for Dent) that he was a baseball player from the 1970s.

        Is your character metal? How did you answer? He was the Iron Horse!

        • mbonzo

          HAH didn’t even think of that.

          • MikeD

            Even more odd is the other question, “is he mechanical?” Charlie Gehringer was known as The Mechanical Man. They played in the same period, so maybe there was something to the line of questioning. Gehrig and Gehringer are also similar sounding/looking names, although I doubt that has anything to do with it.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      One of the questions I had was “Has your character ever been in trouble with the law?” I clicked no. Two questions later the answer pops up…..Ray Lewis!?!?

      It was most certainly wrong.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        This also confirms my suspicion that the NFL has erased “Ray Lewis: Suspected Murderer” from the internet. I may disappear myself after posting this.

        • MikeD

          …suddenly there’s a knock at the door.

        • Pat D

          He doesn’t even need to be “Suspected Murderer” considering he was convicted of Obstruction of Justice.

    • Pat D

      Took 30 some questions for it to get Dave Winfield. It guessed Rickey Henderson and Reggie Jackson first.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      These were two consecutive questions:

      “Is your character dark-skinned?”
      “Does your character play basketball?”

      • MikeD

        Did it ask, “would your player be described more likely as ‘gritty’ or ‘athletic?’

  • Xstar7

    We all already know the Jets are going to win so whats the point in talking about it?

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    Just got back from a Model UN conference.

    One of our delegates was at a committee that role-played Europe in the sixteenth century. This morning they received a note saying “Spanish general Marco Sanchez has landed with an army of what he is calling Jets; our German army led by general Roethlisberger will counter them later today”

    lol

  • Xstar7

    Does anyone think the Packers can beat either the Jets or Steelers?

    • Ivan

      Hells yeah. I thought the Packers had as good of team coming into the season as anyone.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H
    • Jimmy McNulty

      They can definitely beat the Jets, IMO, but the Steelers will be much harder to beat.

    • Jonathan

      they already beat the Jets this year. Before they discovered Starks. They actually shut the Jets out. And they are a great dome team with elite speed all over the roster.

      • Xstar7

        You’re right I forgot about that game, but in the playoffs previous match ups don’t really matter.
        See: Jets and Patriots

        • Jonathan

          well if you ask if they CAN beat them, i think actually beating them earlier in the year would be good proof that they could. Especially since the Packers are playing much better than they were back then.

  • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

    “Yankees GM Brian Cashman would prefer to run a small market team, opines Bill Madden of the New York Daily News, who is beginning to think Cashman may walk away from the Yankees when his contract expires following the 2011 season.” – MLBTR

    Does anyone believe any of this BS?

    • Pat D

      Cuz running a small market team will…prove he really is a good GM?

    • Xstar7

      I wouldn’t be surprised if he left after his contract expired, but the stuff about him wanting to be a GM for a small market team is absolute bullshit.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      No.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Nope. I never get the people who simultaneously argue Cashman could never ever ever succeed without Steinbrenner dollarz (that’s his right as Yankees GM, any Yankees GM would be totally stupid to not take advantage of the money) and that he’s somehow secretly pining for a small market team and cheaping out on the Yankees every year

    • mike hc

      Sure, I would think human nature dictates that at least part of cash wants to prove he can put together a competitive team without having the highest payroll in badeball. Will that be the sole reason he leaves if he does? Doubtful. Probably would have more to do with the contract and/or control over decisions.

    • MikeD

      No. Although I do believe that Cashman talks to the media, and one way to begin contract negotiations is for media reports to start surfacing that he might be interested in GMing somewhere else. If the Steinbrenners think all he wants to to do is GM for the Yankees, that will reduce his leverage.

    • Pasqua

      The question is: will he be willing to take a small market salary? If so, maybe. But, I’m willing to guess that Cash likes the lifestyle the Yankees have afforded him.

  • Esteban

    Can I haz rush defense?

  • Dalelama

    The Jets are really soft. They look like boys playing men.

    • Xstar7

      Don’t worry they’ll make a comeback and win in the last minute like they do in every game. Sigh

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I agree with dalelama

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        ::head explodes::

  • Esteban

    This is terrible

  • MikeD

    Well this is not going well.

    • mike hc

      While clearly not going well, a score before halftime and ball first in second half, we can get back in it. While I write this. Sacked

      • Dalelama

        The Jets are shitting themselves. Sanchez really sucks.

  • cano is the bro

    so this got out of hand pretty quickly for the jets…

    • Slappy White

      I think Brick killed a guy

      • cano is the bro

        hahaha good I didn’t even intend to reference anchorman, but nice.

  • Slappy White

    Phil Simms’ explaination of that play makes no sense to me. You dont see what you think you see ……WTF?

  • Jimm McNulty

    Will Ian O’Connor stop blowing Mark Sanchez now?

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      It’s unlikely. teh poize!

  • Xstar7

    Holy shit it’s 24-zip. Where’s all that Jets hype now?

  • bonestock94

    Well, I’m a huge AR fan for the next 2 weeks.

  • Ivan

    Im going to pull a Mike Axisa and say the Jets will bring the potential tying TD at the red Zone.

    • Dalelama

      In this game? ROFL…They will be lucky to get out of Pittsburgh without any fatalities.

      • NJYankeeFan

        LOL. The score is 24-3 and in reality it’s not that close. This is what you call a SPANKING.

  • Xstar7

    The Jets are going to use this field goal as a springboard to win this game. Which they definitely will.

  • NJYankeeFan

    Ouch. I expected a much better game from the Jets. It looks like last week was their superbowl against the Pats.

    • Gonzo

      I didn’t think they would crap the bed like this after the Pats game. I guess you’re right. A disgrace.

  • John

    Steelers will NOT give up a 21 point lead. Go steelers!!!!

    • Xstar7

      Ummm sorry but the Jets are the greatest team ever and are going to win it all because they are super awesome and cool and Rex Ryans wife’s feet are hot.

      (If you haven’t noticed already I’m trying to jinx the jets)

    • jackstrawelf

      I can’t root for a dirty qb he should’ve done more time than vick

      • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

        At least you can root for Sanchez, he was never accused and arrested for anything…..oh wait

  • Gonzo

    I guess Rex Ryan’s future is dependent on Mark’s development.

  • camilo Gerardo

    i want to hear rex ryan post-game

    • Xstar7

      You mean when he’s talking about what a great win it was for the Jets and how Aaron Rodgers should have been watching?

  • Esteban

    Maybe it’s not over. One can hope.

  • jackstrawelf

    They got rid of Holmes for smoking grass but kept roethlisburger for assaulting women strange team

    • FIPster Doofus

      I loathe Roethlisberger, but future Hall of Fame QBs are harder to jettison than dime-a-dozen receivers.

      • Esteban

        I see your point, but Holmes is better than dime-a-dozen.

        • FIPster Doofus

          Yeah, “dime a dozen” was too strong. He’s a good player.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        And, it’s not like they said “we’re getting rid of Holmes for smoking grass.” There certainly could have been a lot more to it, and had a great replacement in house in Wallace anyway.

  • Esteban

    perfect.

    • Esteban

      That might have been it. Stupid roughing the punter.

      • Esteban

        Haha or not.

  • Xstar7

    An Interception? OH SHIT! The Jets are going to win for sure now!

  • jackstrawelf

    It’s still hypocritical of the NFL, that dogs r more important than women n weed is just as much as sexual assault

    • Esteban

      What was Roethlisberger convicted of?

    • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

      Ben Roethlisberger forced women to fight and killed them?

      • Pasqua

        Mr. Heinz? HBO “Hard Knocks” on Line 2.

  • jackstrawelf

    roethlesburger a scumbag

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      Are you a Mark Sanchez fan?

  • jackstrawelf

    Enough for me to say he a scumbag

  • mbonzo

    I sometimes, usually by accident, wander into the MLB TR forums. I just got completely shut out, called an idiot, and told to GTFO for arguing that Gardner had a better 2010 than Heyward. I know you could argue either side, but there are some seriously ignorant people in that community.

    • FIPster Doofus

      MLBTR is good for information; however, the comments section is a perfect storm of awfulness.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I just got completely shut out, called an idiot, and told to GTFO for arguing that Gardner had a better 2010 than Heyward

      Wait… what? I’m a big fan of Gardner but how do you argue that, I’m sorry.

      • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

        They actually had similarly valuable seasons, if you want to take defensive stats at face value.

        But Brett Gardner has hit his peak. Jason Heyward has a long way to go before he hits his.

        • mbonzo

          Exactly, Heyward has huge potential, Gardner has pretty much hit that.

          But in 2010, I would rather have Gardner’s 5.4 WAR than Heyward’s 5.0 WAR.

          • Esteban

            I say the difference is negligible, considering the imprecision of UZR.

            • mbonzo

              I could understand arguing either side for that reason. But I believe that UZR is a good measure for outfielders, and I don’t think there are any weird defensive shading from either the Yankees or Braves. So I’m on the Gardner side.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Higher fWAR

    • Esteban

      They were within .4 in fWAR (and Gardner’s WAR is pretty mch based on defense anyway) and I would certainly take Heyward going forward over Gardner.

      • mbonzo

        Me too, but I like Gardner better in 2010.

  • jackstrawelf

    Nah I am a fan of treating women with respect

    • Esteban

      Can you use the reply button at least?

      • jackstrawelf

        Yes my bad

    • Jimmy McNulty

      That makes one of us.

  • Esteban

    Shit.

  • Big Juan

    Met Buster Olney today. He answered questions for about a half hour and it was a lot of fun.

    I asked him a question about writers and their responsibility to understand sabermetrics and he kind of skirted around the question. Basically his answer was that he wants to write articles that anyone would want to read and that sabermetrics drive away casual fans.

    He went on to say that he could have a conversation about sabermetrics with someone like me because he understands them and enjoys them, but the only stats he ever named were VORP, WAR and Fielding Independent Batting Average, which I’m fairly certain doesn’t exist (please correct me if I’m wrong), so I wonder how well he really does understand them.

    Overall, though, he’s just an excellent, down-to-earth kind of guy and I really enjoyed the opportunity to talk with him.

    • Esteban

      Where/ what was this event?

    • Kevin in Princeton

      Fielding Independent Batting Average sounds… interesting. I guess he just jumbled up BABIP and FIP.

      • Big Juan

        That was my first instinct. Interesting nonetheless.

        @Esteban — He was in Burlington, VT doing a book signing. He stayed after to meet with my team.

  • Esteban

    SAFETY WOOOT

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Wow. Intense game so far this year. As much as I hate the Jets, they’ve answered most of the questions that anyone has ever had about them and they lived up to the hype this year. Regardless of the outcome of this game, the Jets answered the call this year.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Most intense*

      Great second half so far.

    • Esteban

      Haha wow, I’m surprised to hear you say positive things about the Jets. Has your opinion of Sanchez improved at all?

      • Jimmy McNulty

        I still think his ceiling is average, but I feel he’s more likely to reach it than I did a few weeks ago.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      but what about Sanchez /you bait’d

      (I actually think he’s playing pretty well in this game)

      • Jimmy McNulty

        That’s the only one that remains unanswered. He’s in the right place to shine, though. He has good WRs, a good OL, a good running game, a good defense, and doesn’t need to have a 100+ QB rating in order to win games.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Agreed, he’s never gonna be that team’s strength. Or if he is something has changed a lot.

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          I think Sanchez has a Brad Johnson/Jake Delhomme type of ceiling. Good enough to win it all with the right guys around him, but not good enough to be a playoff contender year in and year out the way the top tier QB’s generally make their teams.

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Wow. Not a good moment for the Jets.

  • Esteban

    They need a TD here. Obviously.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Maybe start running the two minute? The Steelers are capable of killing the clock.

      • Esteban

        Drive took too long,, but they finished well.

        • Jimmy McNulty

          Yeah, probably just one of those growing pains with Rex as a coach and his relationship with his QB. Jets fans have to hope he doesn’t go all Andy Reid in terms of clock management (I guess in terms of ass size and conference championships too, I guess).

          • Esteban

            I think Andy Reid’s level of success would be ok. If you’re getting to the playoffs every year, that’s not a bad thing.

            • Jimmy McNulty

              Yea, but getting to the conference championship every year and choking it away due to stupid ass decisions has to be annoying. Though you are a Jets fan, so maybe you’re okay with always being the bridesmaid and never the burro.

              ;)

              • Esteban

                Haha, well if yo’re getting in every year like the Eagles, all you need is better luck/play/coaching.

                • Jimmy McNulty

                  That’s typically what killed the Eagles. Andy Reid’s stupid decisions and unwillingness to give TO a raise.

  • Mickey Scheister

    Here we go…

  • Jimmy McNulty

    Go for two. The XP doesn’t do anything for you at all, but if the Steelers get a FG, at least with the two they had a chance at tying it with a TD…though I doubt that’s an unlikely scenario if the Steelers get a FG the Jets likely aren’t seeing the redzone again.

    • Esteban

      Well, the Jets need another TD anyway, so they could always go for two if they score again.

  • Xstar7

    Jets are going to win for sure now. They’re going to get a game winning touchdown in the last possesion. Sorry If I’m spoiling it for people who don’t already realize this.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      You were sayin

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    why the hell are they playing “Shipping Up to Boston”

    • Xstar7

      It’s actually not a bad song.

      • Jimmy McNulty

        b#

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        It’s a great song. Just makes no sense

        • Mister Delaware

          Its a stupid song embraced by a stupid person.

  • Esteban

    This is the game

  • Esteban

    Let’s go Packers.

    And I still think that fumble call was questionable. I mean, how was that a fumble and the Tuck Rule exists?

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      He wasn’t tucking though. He was going to throw, he wasn’t bringing the ball back down. It was a close play, and I don’t think it was going to be overturned either way.

      • Esteban

        I know they’re different situations but it’s still ridiculous that you can ‘tuck’ it, lose the ball and not be a fumble.

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          Yeah, the rule kind of sucks. Yet, here we are 9 years later and the league never changed it after it was so controversial.

  • bonestock94

    Damn, got my hopes up in the second half. Go Packers, sevenburgh is a shitty thought.

  • jackstrawelf

    The NFL luvs its hypocrisy n black eyed peas when does spring training start I can’t take two weeks of that scumbag quarterback

    • NJYankeeFan

      Couldn’t say it better myself. Ruined the superbowl for me though I do think the Pack have a good chance with their passing game on a fast track on the turf in Dallas.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      What makes Roethlisberger a scumbag and not Mark Sanchez?

      Accused of rape. Arrested for rape. Never found guilty of rape.

      • http://www.twitter.com/tomzig Tom Zig

        It’s weird how not talked about the Mark Sanchez thing is.

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          I never knew about it until this week.

          • Mister Delaware

            If Ben Roethlisberger had even 1% Mexican in him, he’d be in prison, not playing in the Super Bowl 14 days from now.

  • NJYankeeFan

    Valiant comeback by the jets but their clock management in the 2nd half was awful. They should have been in the hurry up the whole half and instead wasted the entire 4th quarter on 2 drives usually taking the play clock down inside 10 seconds. Seems like Schottenheimer just couldn’t get the plays in fast enough.

    • Esteban

      Yup. Exactly my thoughts.

    • Pasqua

      Bingo.

  • Esteban

    Is anybody gonna root for the Steelers besides Steelers fans and Brett Favre?

    • jackstrawelf

      Cant root for scumbag quarterbacksca

    • jackstrawelf

      Cant root for scumbag quarterbacks

      • FIPster Doofus

        Nor can I. Good thing it isn’t Eagles-Steelers. That’d be hard to watch.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Steelers-Packers should make for one hell of a Super Bowl. Go Packers.

  • Xstar7

    Now that the Jets are out of it can we shift back to baseball? Sheese. I was getting sick of all that Jets hype.

    • Xstar7

      Go Pack by the way. NFC FTW.

  • Poopy Pants

    I was hoping for Packers- Steelers. Nice. Screw the Jets.

    Go Packers.

  • pat

    Pace and Thomas are nice, but the Jets need someone who can get to the QB from the edge. I liked the Ghoulston pick at the time, but his lack of development has really hindered them.

    • Mister Delaware

      Holy goddammit, yes. Gholston the prospect was the perfect fit but he’s just never panned out, not even as a “just run at the QB” guy. But the ILBs were the problem tonight; Harris wasn’t good and Scott (I say while still wearing my Scott shirtsey) was downright awful tonight. Not that they need to make a change, I’ll take Harris and Scott forever, but tonight they were really bad. Devito, the least taletned of the front 7 rotation by a mile, was the best of them all tonight. Bad sign. (And, I bet if someone goes back, atleast 50% of Mendenhall’s rushing yards came after contact by Pouha. No one was ever there to clean up.)

  • Thomas Cassidy

    Did anyone read Jayson Stark’s list of underrated players on ESPN? This guy is almost as bad as Steve Phillips.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Cuddyer over Choo? Really?

  • STEVIS

    GO PACKERS!!
    Did anyone really believe that the Jets would win the Super Bowl?

    • Whitey14

      I didn’t, but then again, I’m a disgruntled Patriots fan so everything I say about the Jets is tainted :-)

    • Xstar7

      I was saying they would to jinx them.