Jan
11

Open Thread: Hello, RJ

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Hey look, it's Brad Halsey! *crickets* (AP Photo/Ed Betz)

Two days ago we celebrated Randy Johnson’s departure from the Yankees, but today is the six year anniversary of his acquisition. Hard to believe it’s been that long already. They parted ways with Javier Vazquez, Brad Halsey, and then top prospect Dioner Navarro, none of whom they really miss. We all know Javy’s story, but Navarro never played a game for Arizona. He was packaged with some others and sent to the Dodgers for Shawn Green later than day. Halsey tossed up a 4.61 ERA in 160 innings for the D’Backs in 2005 before being traded to the A’s for Juan Cruz. He shredded his shoulder not long after that and hasn’t played in affiliated baseball in 2007. I was unfathomably stoked about the trade at the time, but it’s taught me and many others to not get too excited about 41-year-old pitchers coming to the AL East from the NL West, no matter how historically great they are.

Anywho, here is your open thread for the evening. The Rangers, Isles, and Knicks are all playing, so there’s plenty to keep you occupied. Treat the thread as you see fit, enjoy.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://deleted Craig

    Is anybody else finding MLB network harder to watch between Stan Kasten’s annoying voice, the lovefest for the Phillies rotation and Mitch Williams jerkiness?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Yeah I don’t watch much anymore. Just Baseball Seasons or the lists, that’s pretty much it.

      • http://deleted Craig

        Kinda a shame, considering the fact that I’m probably one of the largest NYY fans in the outside Philly suburb area and I seemingly cant find anyone to agree with that the Phillies “dynasty” (if you would call it that) will be done by 2012 and then they’ll be rebuilding for a long time

        • Xstar7

          What’s to say the Yankees aren’t in the same situation?

          • http://deleted Craig

            Well from what I’ve been reading on various blogs, the Yankees minor league seems more promising than the Phils

            • Xstar7

              Well yeah at least since the Roy Halladay trade. But I’m still not convinced.

              • Accent Shallow

                The Yankees have more young players — Cano, Hughes, and of course, the minors. The Phillies don’t really have . . . Dom Brown?

          • The Real JobaWockeeZ

            Better prospects, better trade chips, and having more money to spend helps.

        • Chops

          “Kinda a shame, considering the fact that I’m probably one of the largest NYY fans in the outside Philly suburb area”

          I beg to differ.

          • http://deleted Craig

            good to know I’m not alone

            • Pat D

              I’m in the Lehigh Valley, the Phillies’ AAA team area.

              • http://deleted Craig

                Yardley; aka Bandwagon Central

                • Chops

                  I’m in Newark, DE, about 45 minutes south of Philly.

              • sevrox

                Largest fan? I’m in West Chester, PA and weigh 230 pounds.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I love MLBN’s programming, but their analysis is putrid and has gotten worse.

      • sevrox

        Fact is, how can you talk about the same ol’ shiza day in and day out in the offseason? It amazes me how some people are STILL debating the Jeter negotiations. Get a Bleepin’ Life, fer chrissakes. Doldrums, indeed.

    • Big Apple

      it started off ok but now its just like everything else. I actually like Williams the best…i feel like he says more statements about how actually feels than what others want him to say. Joe McGraine also provided pretty good analysis back in the day.

      Millar can suck it…

    • bakekrukow412

      Who’s Stan Kasten?

      • http://deleted Craig

        President of the Nationals and leader of the “I Have a Really Annoying Voice” fan club

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Tell me how the Yankees lack LHSP. CC Sabathia says hello. If Pettitte comes back, that’s about 35% of the team’s starts.

    • Accent Shallow

      And if Pettitte doesn’t come back, they only have one lefty. Granted, he’s the ace of the staff, rather than a back of the rotation soft tosser, but you’d like at least one more, right?

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        Obviously. I honestly hope Banuelos pans out and we have two hard throwing left handers at the top of the rotation.

        • The Real JobaWockeeZ

          He’s not ready until 2012 at the earliest. If they rush him it’s like they haven’t learned anything from Joba and Hughes.

          • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

            That’s pretty much what I meant. I think Sabathia still might be throwing 92-93 in 2012 and then you have Banuelos throwing 96-97.

            If all goes well, 2012 looks to be one of the best years for potential debuts.

            • The Real JobaWockeeZ

              In ManBan is hitting 96-97 I’ll JIMP.

              • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

                This scouting report still makes me JIMP: http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/0.....-banuelos/

                • Accent Shallow

                  I mean, that’s straight up incredible, but I’ll remain calm. We’ve all seen a pitcher come out and throw 1-2 mph harder than usual. I mean, 97? At 5’10″? From a guy who was previously around 90?

                • Big Apple

                  if i didn’t know any better I’d think that was the scouting report on Casey Kelly

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      I love how they used !!!!!2004!!!!! as a scare tactic. Even if Pettitte doesn’t come back (and he’s totally coming back weep weep), they’ll have well over 11 starts out of a LHP unless disaster strikes.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Also as pointed out by Jordan to me: the precious 2004 Red Sox had no lefties in their rotation either. They had one start by a LHP all year, Abe Alvarez, who gave up five runs in five innings

        • Accent Shallow

          The difference being, of course, that Yankee Stadium has Death Valley in LF, whereas the Sox have Fenway. Historically, LHP have been worth less in Fenway.

          I mean, who are the great Sox lefties? Bruce Hurst? (Ok, ok, they had Grove at the end of his career)

          • Danimal

            They got nothing on the greatest lefty of all time… Lefty Gomez.

            What you got on that Sox?

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      CC, Boone and Feliciano are the only locks. No one should get their hopes up on Pettitte at this point. Unless people want their remaining pieces of their heart torn off since there was a lot of stock in Lee.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      How many rotations boast more than one quality lefty, though? Even the vaunted Red Sox rotation only has Lester.

  • http://deleted Craig

    Speaking of LHP and Phillies, am I the only one hoping Hamels winds up in the Bronx?

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Nope. Hamels is a stud. If he holds up for the next two years, the Yanks should be on top of him.

      • http://deleted Craig

        as the biggest Phillies hater around; music to my ears

      • M. Scott
      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        twss

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        The only pitcher we should be on top of is Pettitte.

        /bexy’d

  • Adam

    I vaguely remember Halsey throwing at a Red Sox player and it being a semi-big thing at the time?

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    Fun fact: There’s a Miami, Canada.

    • mbonzo

      Its retribution for Ontario, California

    • pete

      there’s a miami university in ohio, too

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        yeah but nobody cares about that one.

    • pete

      also, I’d rather live in Canada than Florida

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        rude.

        • pete

          :P

          I actually don’t think I’d mind living in Canada, though. I love Montreal, Quebec City isn’t bad, and I think I’d be fine with Toronto or Vancouver, too. I much prefer cold to humid and oppressive heat.

  • Xstar7

    Brad Penny just signed a one year 3 million dollar deal with the Tigers. That’s one more free agent pitcher off the list. Not that Penny was really going to come to New York anyway. Man I hope Andy comes back.

    • whozat

      Didn’t we just see that movie? And didn’t it have a hideous ending?

    • Accent Shallow

      You want to talk crazy, Phil Coke is apparently guaranteed a spot in their rotation (I linked that in the perpetually off topic thread)

      I mean, really?

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Guaranteed a spot? L.O.L.

        • Accent Shallow

          Yeah. Either the Yankees really blew it with their evaluation of him, or the Tigers . . .

          Aw hell, here’s the post.

          http://riveraveblues.com/off-t.....nt-1521300

          • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

            Something tells me this won’t end well.

  • Pat D

    Admiral Halsey notified me,
    he had to have a bath or he couldn’t get to sea…

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Fact: Ram was one of Wings’ best albums. Nothing beats Band on the Run, IMO.

      • pete

        I thought Ram was decent, Band On The Run was meh. I like George’s solo stuff the best, then John’s, then Paul’s, even though musically, I think Paul was the most talented Beatle.

        • Pat D

          Paul’s albums have way too much filler, on average. Band on the Run is great, Ram is pretty good. Most of Paul’s stuff since Flaming Pie has all been pretty solid.

          I’m still a John fan above all, then I’d put George. All Things Must Pass might be the best solo Beatle album. I may actually like Ringo better than Paul, too. Ringo’s done some decent solo stuff, obviously not on the level of the others, those.

          • pete

            George wrote most of Ringo’s decent solo songs, though, didn’t he? “It Don’t Come Easy” comes to mind

            • Pat D

              For the most part, yes. Ringo just really wasn’t a songwriter. I’d have to look up the exact credits though. “Photograph” is Ringo’s best song, IMO, and that was definitely a co-write with George.

              • pete

                I guess I’m just not a big fan of Ringo’s singing (“lend me your ears and I’ll sing you a tune, and I’ll try not to sing out of key” was pretty tongue-in-cheek, I think). I actually love his drumming, though. “Strawberry Fields Forever” and “A Day In The Life” are two of rock’s best drumming songs, IMO.

                • Pat D

                  I’d agree. He always said “Rain” was his best effort. I also think songs like “Ticket to Ride,” “Tomorrow Never Knows,” “Helter Skelter,” and his solo “Back Off Boogaloo” were unique to Ringo.

        • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

          George’s stuff was the best by far but it’s criminally underrated. He put together the entire All Things Must Pass catalog by the time he was 25. That’s just insane.

          • pete

            well they never really let him have more than 2 songs per album. Also, some of his songs with the Beatles seemed weirdly underproduced (“Long, Long, Long” comes to mind)

          • Pat D

            George’s problem was that his solo career peaked too soon. He did All Things Must Pass and the Concert for Bangladesh and was at the top. Living in the Material World isn’t bad (“Sue Me, Sue You Blues” is one of those witty George songs not enough people know), but then the Dark Horse album was an absolute disaster. Then he picked back up a bit towards the late ’70′s, but then his interests changed from music to helping Monty Python make Life of Brian and auto racing.

            But Cloud 9 and the Traveling Wilburys albums are good, and Brainwashed, his posthoumous album, was really good, too.

  • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

    Never gonna forget the Halsey-Pedro duel on July 1st, 2004, best regular season game I’ve ever seen.

  • Howie

    “Unfathomably stoked”? That was the day I briefly considered if being a Yankee fan was worthwhile. The Big Unit was almost one surly overpriced over the hill veteran too many.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    “top prospect Dioner Navarro”

    I can just imagine what the rest of that top 20 looks like.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      No one knows what they looked like, Navarro was in front of them.

      • pete

        ziiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggg

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Here’s the list after the 05 season. Not as bad as I thought.

      http://www.baseballamerica.com.....nkees.html

      1. Philip Hughes, rhp
      2. Eric Duncan, 3b/1b
      3. Jose Tabata, of
      4. C.J. Henry
      5. Austin Jackson, of
      6. Eduardo Nunez, ss
      7. Marcos Vechionacci, 3b
      8. Christian Garcia, rhp
      9. Jeff Marquez, rhp
      10. Tyler Clippard, rhp

      • Mike HC

        The fact that most of them were still years away from making an impact was probably at least part of the reason why the system was not highly thought of.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          Top 10s should have more MLB players than that, but Hughes, Tabata and A-Jax isn’t horrendous. They had just promoted Cano and Wang the year before, so while it’s not a good farm system, it’s not that bad.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            Check that, 4 MLB players with the Yankee Clippard.

          • Mike HC

            I should have said “more” highly thought of. If you just look at the lists in hindsight, you can lose sight of the fact that at the time, how far away they were from making a legitimate impact in the majors gets taken into account when people rate the farm system.

            Like now, Gary Sanchez is highly thought of, but the fact he is so far away from the Majors gets taken into account.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    Here’s the 2004 list

    1. Dionar Navarro, C
    2. Eric Duncan, 3b/1b
    3. Rudy Guillen, of
    4. Joaquin Arias, ss
    5. Ramon Ramirez, rhp
    6. Robinson Cano, 2b
    7. Ferdin Tejeda, ss
    8. Jorge DePaula, rhp
    9. Estee Harris, of
    10. Bronson Sardinha, 3b

    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....nkees.html

    Thanks your lucky stars Brian Cashman took over Baseball Ops peeps. That is one fugly looking list.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      BTW-Mike, if you (or anyone else) can help me, I can’t seem to find the Jan 05 list.

    • mbonzo

      Funny enough, I’m pretty sure the 2004 list is worth more in WAR than 2006 simply because of Cano.

      • mbonzo

        Hughes- 6.4 WAR
        Tabata- 2.0 WAR
        Jackson- 3.8 WAR
        Clippard- 1.1 WAR
        Total: 13.3 WAR

        Cano- 18.7 WAR

        (Navarro has 4.7)

        • Tank the Frank

          God bless him. I really hope there’s a “Cano” somewhere in the Yankees farm right now. Meaning someone who totally overshoots all his projections and comes almost out of nowhere to become a top player at his position. That would be awesome.

    • Mike HC

      I’m no prospect expert, but if you can get a player of Cano’s ability out of your top ten prospects in any given year, and have one included in the trade for ARod, it really could not have been all that bad.

      But I definitely agree with your overriding point. Cashman has been a much needed godsend for our farm system.

      • Accent Shallow

        But I definitely agree with your overriding point. Cashman has been a much needed godsend for our farm system.

        Mostly agree, but let’s wait a few years, see how prospects pan out.

  • Slappy White

    You know, the more times I watch that Jeffrey Mayer game on Yankees Classics, the more I really dont think he reached over that wall……Clearly a Home Run

  • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

    49 states have snow right now.

    Guess who lives in the only one who doesn’t.

    • Slappy White

      Alaska ?

      • Mattchu12

        I’m from Alaska. We have a shit load of snow.

    • Avi

      Ugh thank you. I really have to move to Miami.

    • Tank the Frank

      Hasn’t started up here in lower CT yet anyway.

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

        It has in New Fairfield, where you at.

        • Tank the Frank

          Stamford. The City That Works.

          • Tank the Frank

            Check that, we’re getting dusted. I swear I just looked ten minutes ago.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Its snowing in Hawaii?

      • I Voted 4 Kodos

        Hawaii almost always has snow on a couple of its peaks.

  • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L
  • Tank the Frank

    Best movie of the year???

    I just watched Black Swan, and even though I thought it was incredible (Whatchu need Natalie?!? TO FUCK ALL NIGHT!!), I still have to say The Social Network would be my pick. It’s surprising because I usually go for the “artsier” films. The Fighter and 127 Hours were also great films.

    • pete

      I liked Black Swan the best. The King’s Speech was also awesome, as was The Social Network. Haven’t seen 127 Hours yet. (I also liked HP7, making it the first potter movie I liked, but it certainly wasn’t the best movie of the year)

    • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

      The Fighter. By far.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      Toy Story 3.

      imeanwhat.

      • Tank the Frank

        No I hear you. Toy Story 3 was great.

    • Erica

      True Grit was phenomenal, and I was going to see Black Swan tonight but yknow… snow.

      • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

        True Grit a.k.a, the Brett Gardner story.

    • Pat D

      Out of the 10 films nominated for the Producer’s Guild award, which almost always matches up with the Oscar nominations, I haven’t seen Black Swan, The Town or 127 Hours. I’m getting The Town from Netflix tomorrow and I intend to see Black Swan this weekend. Don’t know if 127 Hours will play where I live or not.

      My top 4 movies would probably be Inception, The King’s Speech, The Social Network and Toy Story 3. True Grit or The Fighter might be next. I’d love to see Inception win Best Picture just to make up for the snub of The Dark Knight, but I know it won’t happen.

      Another one you should try to check out is Winter’s Bone. Already out on DVD, too.

  • Xstar7

    Frazier isn’t wearing a ridiculous suit today.

    • Mike HC

      I bumped into him on the street one day walking home from class and he had on these 70′s florescent green pants on and puffy white button down shirt. He stood out so much I spotted him from almost a full block away, ha.

  • Erica

    I REALLY like Amar’e Stoudemire. The Knicks have been my savior in this endless offseason (well, that and Yankees Classics).

    • Mike HC

      Yea, the Knicks have been great to watch. For the first time in a long, long time.

      • Erica

        Right? It’s nice to get excited about the Knicks again, because I haven’t given a crap since the days of Ewing and all that jazz.

  • Mike HC

    Amare constantly gets fouled without it being called, but he also complains a little too much to the refs on a consistent basis. I guess I would complain a lot too if you get hacked as much as Amare and Dwight Howard.

  • Xstar7

    The Knicks are putting it way with style!