Open Thread: Chavez’s contract

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Yankees call off deal with The Viz
Know how old this picture of healthy Chavez is? That's Brad Radke. (AP Photo/Jeff Chiu)

The Yankees finalized their minor league contract with Eric Chavez today, and Jerry Crasnick has the details. Chavez will earn a $1.5M base salary if he makes the club, far from a given, and there’s another $4M or so in bonuses tied to time on the active roster and plate appearances. Five million (potential) bucks for a bench player is a ton, but the only way the former Athletic earns all those incentives is if he’s healthy and productive. I’m just surprised the base salary is so high, but then again it’s only three-quarters of a percent of the team payroll. What do I care.

Anyways, here is the open thread for the night. Both the Nets and Knicks are in action, but talk about anything. Just be cool.

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  • Esteban

    The Blake Show!

  • vin

    I wonder if Chavez would actually be willing to go down to SWB if he doesn’t go north with the club. I guess so, otherwise he would’ve received a non-roster invite. For some reason, I’m really interested to see how this minor detail shakes out.

  • http://twitter.com/TylerWilkinson T-Dubs

    http://goo.gl/DRoR9

    FreeFeedJoba

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Speaking of which, has Joba reported yet? If so, does friend of RAB ‘Andy from Sunny Daytona’ have any pics of him?

      Outside of CC, Joba’s the #1 guy I want to see what he looks like when he comes to camp.

      • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch aka Master of the Obvious

        He could use some arugula and a sit up.

      • jramey

        apparently he has put on some serious muscle

      • Brett

        I read he threw 30 pitches off a mound on Wednesday.

        From Yahoo sports MLB section.

  • San Ramon Fred

    I don’t mind the Chavez deal. Now living in the Bay Area I have seen a lot of him and he’s a stud gamer IF healthy. Small change for huge talent upside who will want to produce in NY market.

    What I can’t understand is what is going on with Cashman re Aceves? Little to invest to keep him and now with Boston. Unbelievable.

    • pat

      Access to private, detailed medical records is a wonderful thing.

      • Esteban

        Has to be something else. That’s way too simple.

        • squishy jello person

          Actually, a lot of times it is.

          • Esteban

            That’s what I was trying to get at.

      • Ultimate Yankee Warrior (James)

        Except they’re still just opinions. If he pitches and performs this excuse is the first to go.

      • radnom


        Access to private, detailed medical records is a wonderful thing.

        Unless, of course, you think Joba should be starting.

        • Esteban

          You have somewhat of a point, though we’ve mostly heard from the Yankees that Joba isn’t hurt. By not signing Aceves, it’s easier to assume that the reason was injury.

    • Urban

      My guess is it has to do with his back. I mean, he missed bascially all of 2010 and there was predictions all season that he might need surgery. He never had that surgery. Any type of back surgery is risky, so there’s no doubt a balance going on here, as the team (and Aceves) made a decision not to cut into his back in the hopes that continued rest might work, but it doesn’t eliminate the fact that Aceves has a back problem and it’s not going away. The Yankees may simply believe that he is going to break down again.

      That all said, and as I noted earlier, MLB minimum is a tad south of 450K, which means this deal comes down to an additional 200K and a roster spot. Considering the Yankees pitching needs, I’m hoping the Yankees are dead sure that Ace is going to break down, because other than that it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I think it’s entirely possible part of the Red Sox decision-making process here was the potential to remove yet another pitching option from the Yankees at a low cost. That’s my fear.

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      Boston probably did that just to annoy the fanbase and rub it in that they had their good offseason. Theo is fucking obsessed. Like that Crawford clause where he can’t be traded to the Yankees.

      Whatever, 27 rings mother fucker.

      • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch aka Master of the Obvious

        And two steroid tainted rings for you. The curse lives on.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      The money to invest wasn’t big, but a major league contract was. We also don’t know what Cashman and the Yankees offered him. Maybe he didn’t want to come back to the Yankees. There are too many variables to just say “Can’t believe Cashman passed on him.”

    • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

      Boston reminds me of the annoying younger brother who strives to better than the older brother (us). They get so loud and annoying about something they do and everyone compliments him on his accomplishment, but the older brother is cool and doesn’t pay him or the ones brown-nosing him any mind.

      • Poopy Pants

        But…most of the people on this site pay it plenty of mind.
        And the little brother has won more lately (with a lower payroll).

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          And the little brother has won more lately (with a lower payroll).

          You sure about that? They haven’t won a playoff game in 27 months now.

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          I’m guessing your definition “won more lately” conveniently goes back to 2004?

        • JerseyDutch

          Keep on sowing the crazy, brother.

      • Esteban

        It’s like the US and Canada.

  • Dream of Electric Sheeps

    I can’t recall the last time Chavez was tour de force with his stick. 1.5 base salary does seem a little high to me. I thought felipe lopez was attractive option or what’s left of FA pool, Aybar, might be a better option but i am assuming Yanks were looking for a power stick of LH who can spell Arod on a occasion. We will see…

    • Urban

      And I think that’s the point. He can have a base salary of 10 million, but if he doesn’t make the team it doesn’t matter, and I don’t think he’s going to make the team. 2007 was the last season he has any type of playing time and production (even if it was league average) and 2004 was the least year he was in peak Eric Chavez form.

      He’s not going to make the team.

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    Wally Matthews did something amazing in his chat today. He wrote something that I agreed with wholeheartedly. First time for everything I guess.

    How could the Yankees not sign him? Because as amazing as it may seem, sometimes it’s not their call.

    Not only does this apply to Cliff Lee, but it applies to Aceves, Francis, The Hairstons, Wood, etc, etc, etc. Every time a coveted free agent signs somewhere, there is a large “How could Cashman not sign him” contingent. People seem to forget too often that the players themselves actually get to pick their own team.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Brian Cashman has only been telling this to anyone who would listen for the past 10 years. Money’s and edge, not a guarantee.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        “an edge”

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          What is, what Derek Jeter has?

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        Brian Cashman has only been telling this to anyone who would listen

        That’s unfortunately about 7% of the population.

  • Granderslam

    Random question: Who has a better shot at making the club? Who could have more of an impact?
    Belliard or Chavez?

    • Urban

      Death by fire or water? Hmmmm….?????

      Based on what I wrote above, I’ll say Belliard simply because I don’t think Eric Chavez can provide anything anymore.

      • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Melvin-To-America/193013541601?ref=sgm Andy In Sunny Daytona

        Death by water every time. A moment of panic followed by passing out > feeling excruciating pain.

        • Urban

          Having not experienced either (at least as far as I can remember), I’d have to agree.

          I declare Belliard water.

      • Dream of Electric Sheeps

        Urban i would have preferred F.Lopez. Possibly better stick and better D, but it’s moot. Ninja Cash has always had hard time luring fringe bench players. I am hoping Nunez will supplant R.Pena. I be happy wit that.

        • Urban

          Yup, playing time issue. Anyone sort of good will always be looking for the following year’s contract, and that requires playing time.

  • John

    I wrongly (off-topic) posted this in Piliere’s Top 100 thread earlier:

    I would like someone to explain me what is Nomaas.org exactly and why there seems to be so much tension between the RAB community and the Nomaas one. Also, is Nomaas worth reading? etc.

    Thank you.

    FWIW I only read RAB and sometimes Lohud in terms of yankees blogs and have been doing so for two years max.

    • squishy jello person

      NoMaas is another blog and there’s tension because NoMaas commenters often have very not nice things to say about RAB writers.

      That said, they get unbelievable interviews.

      • John

        Thanks. Follow up questions:

        What don’t they like about RAB? Also how come Nomaas has so much access to baseball people?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Who knows, and who knows.

          I enjoy NoMaas, I have no issue with those guys whatsoever (not that I’ve ever met any of them). If their commenters hate us, so be it.

          • Urban

            Hate is a good thing, sometimes. It means you are successful. People hate the Yankees. People don’t hate unimportant things, including blogs.

            • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

              Bingo, and the hater just makes himself look bad to 99% of the readers who don’t have a dog in the fight. Haters are losers, it goes hand in hand.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                And they’re pretty fucking obsessed. If RAB is so awful why do they spend so much time not only reading the articles, but the comments too?

                • Brad

                  Probably for the same reason people post dumb shit they read on NYYFans. They think it makes them look smart or something.

                • Brad

                  Probably for the same reason people post dumb stuff they read on NYYFans. They think it makes them look smart or something.

                  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                    It was better when you got the actual blog name right.

        • Poopy Pants

          The truth:
          It’s extremely well-known (common knowledge) that the posters there don’t like that things are censored at RAB so often. At nomaas everyone can have their own opinion and feel free to make jokes (whether they are informed, funny or neither).

          It’s hilarious/sad to see the brown nose responses to this question here, as if people don’t know the truth. No need to lie.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Wait, what do we censor? Our commenting guidelines are like, common courtesies. We’re not asking you to split atoms, just be cordial. Everyone’s allowed to say whatever stupid thing they want to, just be on topic. Otherwise it detracts from the site.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            Because calling people by Jewish or gay slurs is really necessary and we’re all just a buncha brown nosers for thinking otherwise.

            • Urban

              Oh, take that ponytail of yours and….

              /attempted humor

          • Esteban

            Well the commenters speak, and I’m pretty sure almost every RAB post ends up with more comments than NoMaas posts, so they must be doing something right here.

          • JerseyDutch

            That’s vague to the point of being content free. (And thanks for letting me know that well-known means common knowledge.)

          • rbizzler

            Quit embarrassing yourself. The comment section at nomaas is full of hate-filled frat-tastic drivel.

            They are pissed at RAB because a few of the neanderthals that comment there have been banned from commenting here for being obnoxious.

          • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

            If we censored things here so often, do you really think we’d put up with your attitude as often as we do? :)

            • Fachoinanyy

              IETCVM

          • http://www.retire21.org first name only male (formerly Mike R. – Retire 21)

            Your comments are evidence that this site does not censor for being uninformed or unfunny.

    • radnom

      I think its pretty simple.

      RAB and its commenter take themselves very seriously and Nomaas likes to make fun of everything in the Yankee universe.

      Also, I think judging Nomass on some random guy who imitates Ben on an ESPN chat is like judging RAB based on .

    • radnom

      I think its pretty simple.

      RAB and its commenters take themselves very seriously and Nomaas likes to make fun of everything in the Yankee universe.

      Also, I think judging Nomass on some random guy who imitates Ben on an ESPN chat is like judging RAB based on .

      • Esteban

        Based on what? Finish the jokey comparison!

        • radnom

          Oh wow, I just figured out why it cut me off and double-posted.

          The end of that was “judging RAB based on {insert troll of the week here}” only instead of brackets I used < and > which I guess it mistook as a badly formed html tag.

          • radnom

            But yeah, the main point of the comparison was (as bexy also said below) that its really some of the commenters over there who have beef with the people here, its unfair to paint the whole site with that same brush.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        What they said as Ben in the chat today was tame but I’ve seen some really beyond awful things said about commenters here on that site.

        That said, it’s the commenters – not the guys who run the site. The site is fairly amusing and has decent analysis.

        • Esteban

          Yeah, you seem to be a frequent target over there. I ‘get’ (not really but it’s more understandable) impersonating writers at RAB, but why impersonate commenters at RAB?

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            I dunno. I’m obnoxious. I comment too much. I make sexual innuendos about Andy Pettitte entirely too often and don’t have much of a life. If they wanna make fun of me – fine, I don’t care, I can choose not to read it. But I’ve seen ethnic slurs and etc. in the comment sections over there. C’mon, guys. Geez.

            • Eat

              Sounds like a great place! Thanks for informing us!

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      NoMaas is a satire site that mixes in some shaky SABR analysis from time to time. I’m a fan of their goofy pics, not so much their analysis. And their comments section/message board is a free for all that’s loaded with weird, crazy characters and shouldn’t be taken at all seriously.

      • Dream of Electric Sheeps

        NoMass cracks me up with their photoshopped Ninja Cash pics.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          Yeah, NoMaas pix range from amusing to laugh out loud funny.

    • Esteban

      You haven’t made it until you get someone impersonating you on NoMaas.
      But seriously, doesn’t the person (or people) get tired of trying to make all their comments conform to an impersonation of someone that writes or frequents RAB?

    • Esteban

      BTW is the Insenstive TYU guy on NoMaas actually somebody from TYU? Seems to make serious comments.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        Not me, lol.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          Yeah, well you’re Sensitive RAB guy. Everybody knows that.

          (don’t they?)

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        That guy is a complete asshole. I wouldn’t listen to anything he says.

        • Esteban

          Ha ok, just checking. I browse the NoMaas comments once in a while and the Insensitive TYU guy doesn’t seem as trollish as the other impersonators, so I was curious.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    Anyone else more excited to see the AA/AAA season start than the MLB one?

    • monteroisdinero

      Wherever Jesus is will be the more exciting. Killer B’s second most.

      • Craig

        5 mins away from Trenton is always a luxury of mine

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      You can kinda put me in that boat.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Watching AJ, Nova and Freddy Garcia 3 days out of 5 is going to be tough. Its making me want to follow the SWB team daily for signs of hope for the rotation. I’m thinking this is going to be something of a transition year, where the Yanks will compete (89-91 wins) but be a face in the crowd for the WC. Maybe they’ll sneak in, maybe they won’t.

        • The Real JobaWockeeZ

          Dare we say a BRIDGE YEAR?!

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            He sure does

        • Mike HC

          Gotta agree with, “Watching AJ, Nova and Freddy Garcia 3 days out of 5 is going to be tough.” The entertainment level definitely goes way down watching such mediocre and really below average pitching. A small conciliation though is that the pen should be electrifying.

    • Esteban

      Can’t say I agree. Watching games > looking at boxscores.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        You can listen live on MILB.com

        • Esteban

          Haha eh, that’s too much work. My attention span has a limit.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            Oh come on. It’s like 3 mouse clicks.

            • Esteban

              Haha that’s true, but I’m not going to watch a Yankees game and listen to a MiLB game at the same time. Maayybe on nights when the Yankees don’t have a game.
              That said, I look at almost every DotF

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Sorry, but big league >>> minor leagues, always. We ain’t the Royals.

      (That said, I certainly enjoy DOTF and all that.)

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Freddy Garcia.

        • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

          Russell Martin.
          Mark Teixeira.
          Robinson Cano.
          Alex Rodriguez.
          Derek Jeter.
          Brett Gardner.
          Curtis Granderson.
          Nick Swisher.
          Jorge Posada.
          CC Sabathia.
          Phil Hughes
          Mariano Rivera.
          Rafael Soriano.

          Do I need to go on?

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            Sure, fill out the starting five for me. Give me a solid reason why AJ will be better than last year. I’ve yet to hear one.

            BTW-Russel Martin? Do we know he’s healthy? Jeter is getting old, and has had two down years in the past three. Jorge has never DH’d full time. 3 of your ‘givens’ are anything but.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              Oh Steve Lombardi, it’s not very nice to come to RAB and imitate people. :(

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                Everyone who criticizes the team isn’t Lombardi. I hope this site is still a place for honest analysis, and not just happy talk. Calling me names doesn’t make our rotation any better.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                  Of course it’s still a place for honest analysis and frankly, I’m not big on Russell Martin, either.

                  But I don’t get shooting down others’ happiness either and the Posada thing? C’mon, man.

                  • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

                    I’m not huge on Martin, either, but a catcher who plays good defense and can OBP .340 is more than fine by me.

            • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno
        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          Whine, whine.

          See what Matt said.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            I’m not whining, but I’m not going to wave the pom poms when I think this team has fallen back to the pack. I like the overall direction of the team long term, I just have my doubts about this year.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              That’s fine. I don’t blame you. But, IMO being like “but I have to watch Mitre and Garcia!” is borderline whining. Sorry.

            • Urban

              “Fallen back to the pack.” So in Yankee-world, that means we’ll win 93-games, but may not win the division?

              The rest of the pack won’t be near that.

      • radnom

        Test post ignore > >

  • Esteban

    Some great defense in this Knicks game. Oh well no defense=more exciting basketball, right?

  • Esteban

    Joe Girardi’s at the Knicks game and is going to be interviewed at half time.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      I bet he tells Hal to kiss his ass, or something crazy like that.

    • Esteban

      Interview Recap:

      Started skiing
      Said in 3rd grade he would play for the Cubs
      Was last nervous skiing
      Opening day makes him nervous (every year)
      Girardi27 on Twitter is not Joe Girardi
      Jeter moving to CF depends on how long he plays, but the plan is for Jeter to be SS through this contract

  • bonestock94

    Does Michael Young really make sense for anyone? He’s (usually) a slightly better than average batter and an awful fielder for a lot of money.

    • Dream of Electric Sheeps

      Sure. if the Yanks did not have Rod. He would have made sense. Or if someone is looking a DH who can give u decent avg and some pops he is also a fit. Providing money is not an object.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        He doesn’t really hit enough to be a good DH

        • pat

          .279/.322/.411 in his 11 year career way from Arlington’s friendly confines.

          Pedestrian.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      The Angels? They already showed that they don’t mind taking on, uh, bad contracts, and their third base situation is absolutely dire. Michael Young is hardly great but he’s just fine.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        2010 Angels third basemen hit a collective .223/.266/.307/.573. That’s nearly 100 OPS points worse than Angels catchers (.667) and they had Jeff Mathis starting 62 games.

        • Esteban

          Yikes. Eduardo Nunez, Brandon Laird, Warren for Haren.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            I’d rent a limo and drive those three to Anaheim myself.

            • Esteban

              Well Nunez and Laird should be able to outhit the dreck the Angels had at 3b last year.

            • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

              If the Yankees make a trade that we all like, we need to find a way to chip in and do this.

              • Esteban

                I would, but would the players consent to this. First class on planes> Limos.

              • Dream of Electric Sheeps

                I will arrange for the recreational therapists for all of us. Might be a taxing journey…

              • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

                I’ll load up the minibar, I know a guy who’ll get me some good stuff.

                • Esteban

                  Don’t worry, we can legally go to the liquor store. Unless you had something else in mind…

      • bonestock94

        lol Angels

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      Someone will get him because of average and RBI’s don’t worry.

    • Esteban

      Did I hear that the Phillies checked in on Young?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        Yeah but they didn’t get very far, supposedly.

        • vin

          Of course not… they only get aces now-a-days. Didn’t ya hear?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    So I’m slowly reading through the Prospect Handbook, and I just got to the White Sox. Phil Rogers tore Kenny Williams to shreds in the team’s blurb. Paraphrasing…

    “he’s been the GM for ten years and the team has gone to the postseason twice”

    “the only homegrown regulars (developed through the system) on the 2010 team were Buehrle and Beckham”

    “the team’s two biggest stars, Buehrle and Konerko, were here before he was”

    “they’ve traded 53 total top 30 prospects in recent years, and still took on over $100M in Peavy and Rios”

    That caught me off guard.

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      John Sickel’s book?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        No, Baseball America’s. I gave Sickels’ book a whirl a few years ago, but I’m sticking to one book a year and BA’s is simply better.

    • Dream of Electric Sheeps

      Is alexi ramirez not a homegrown product and did he not trade for Konerko for a bag of peanuts?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Konerko was there before Williams. Alexei was essentially a big league free agent out of Cuba, never played a day in the minors.

        • Dream of Electric Sheeps

          Ah…I still would consider Alexei a home grown product though. Cuz that’s the first home he resided in the states.

          • Esteban

            I think they deserve credit for Alexei. Any team could have signed him, but only the White Sox were able to.

          • radnom

            Do you consider Dice-K a homegrown product?

            Not being snarky, its weird what perceptions we have on these things. I would say definitely no on Dice-K but at the same time I kind of consider El Duque a homegrown Yankee.

            • Esteban

              They’re somewhat different situations, but even if you don’t consider a player who has professional experience in another country to be ‘home-grown’, you can still give credit (or blame I suppose) if the player succeeds.

            • Dream of Electric Sheeps

              It’s all in name…Stick Alexei in the minor for a week then.viola, homegrown product! I guess the point is Kenny deserve credit in getting him.

              • Mike HC

                I think the homegrown product point had to do with Williams ability to develop young players through the system. Signing Ramirez and starting him has nothing to do with development. Though it does go to talent evaluation.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        And either way, they didn’t get Konerko for a bag of peanuts. They got him for 25-year-old Mike Cameron.

        • Dream of Electric Sheeps

          My bad… I guess i was thinking about the Reds got Konerko for virtually nothing.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Isn’t Phil Rogers the columnist who had that batshit crazy trade proposal a few days ago?

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        The one and only

        http://articles.chicagotribune.....hamberlain

        The Cubs’ Matt Garza deal would be the framework for a Danks trade, which could be expanded to upgrade the speed and athleticism of the White Sox outfield. For Danks, Carlos Quentin (or Juan Pierre, if the Yankees preferred a veteran table-setter) and Mark Teahen, the Sox could seek a couple of top-tier prospects such as catcher Jesus Montero and pitcher Dellin Betances, either Curtis Granderson or Brett Gardner (more available than you would think after he hit .185 last October), Chamberlain, Mitre and one or two lesser prospects.

        The guys who make the deal pay off for the Sox are Sale, Peavy, Montero and Betances.

        Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot. I see you two have met.

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          I see your crazy Phil Rogers trade proposal and raise:

          http://tinyurl.com/6humyuu

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            Hahahahaahah! Uncle. You win.

            I guess we have to put Mr Rogers criticism of Mr Williams in some sort of context.

    • bonestock94

      He has it coming, no?

    • Urban

      If you see the name “Phil Rogers,” just proceed past anything he has to say.

  • mike c

    anybody want pujols for tex? the yankees infield would be more balanced if they had $300M players on both corners

    • Dream of Electric Sheeps

      I do. Tex to St Louis for Puhojs right now, I will kick in Mitre.

    • Esteban

      I would drive the players both ways to have Pujols on the Yankees. I love Teix, but he’s no Pujols.

    • Sean C.

      I would love to have the best player in baseball on the Yankees. Yes to trading Teixeira for Pujols, but I really, really doubt St. Louis would do that.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      Yup. I also want Halladay for Burnett.

      • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

        And Felix for Venditte

        • Dream of Electric Sheeps

          he has two capable hands… Ms might be amenable to that. it’s like trading for two Venditte! well…two somebody.

      • mike c

        apparently pujols has given STL until the 16th to make a new contract, and if he doesn’t have one by then he’s committing to becoming a FA at the end of the season… not saying a trade would happen, but it could be a thought that the cardinals might not want to commit $300M to their 1B and instead seek a replacement. although pujols himself has said he would void any trade anyway

    • Urban

      I’ll do that deal right now. Tex is great, but Pujols is the best, and if the worst that happens is Pujols leaves after playing for the Yankees one season, then we just put Montero at first.

      Bring it on.

  • mbonzo

    Yankees void deal with Vizcaino

    • radnom

      Bad luck for him but its not like there was a ton of opportunity in the ML bullpen anyway.

    • squishy jello person

      Which Vizcaino??

      • mbonzo
        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          Ugh. Blew out his achilles. Yanks said he was throwing great in winter ball.

          • CMP

            That’s too bad. He somehow survived almost losing his right arm at the hands of Joe Torre only to tear his achilles when he was on the verge of returning to the Yanks.

      • Esteban

        Jose. He has a ring I believe!?

  • Esteban

    This just in: Blake Griffin is good and fun to watch.

  • Andrew Brotherton

    I think a bridge year would be most likely for the best. Keep throwing Garcia/Colon/Mitre out there and let our pitching prospects except for August and September when Brackman/Warren/Noesi/Mitchell get up to the bigs. Don’t rush anyone, and make it through this year without making any rash decisions. Next year Banuelos or Brackman in the rotation, possibly Warren or DJ Mitchell in there as well, Montero up as well for a full season and watch our youngsters show out.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      I agree, and sometimes its necessary to take a step back in building a winning team. Fans of every other team in baseball would readily accept that, but for some Yankee fans it seems unimaginable. And no one is to blame here. Cash did nothing wrong, sometimes things just don’t work out. The fact he’s built such a solid farm system is much harder than signing a FA, so he’s left the Yanks in good shape long term, which is doing his job well.

      • http://theyankeeu.com Matt Imbrogno

        I don’t think anyone here would get too pissed if the team missed the playoffs while building for 2012 and beyond. The problem, though, is resigning ourselves to that before Spring Training has started because the rotation is in “meh” shape. The Yankees still have enough offense to make it through the regular season, as well as a beyond solid bullpen. If this turns out to be like 2008, so be it. Do I think that scenario is likely? Not really.

        • Mike HC

          I don’t think that is a likely scenario either. This team is better than 2008. The pitching staff is similar, but the D was vastly worse in 2008. And I would say the 2011 Yanks have an edge in offense as well. But basically, I think the defense is the major difference.

        • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

          I would. Sorry I’m 22 years old and an obnoxious, spoiled Yankee fan who expects them to make the playoffs every year.

          I’m not kidding. This is a playoff-caliber team with or without a good fifth starter and to not make the playoffs would be a disappointment.

          • Mike HC

            Agreed. And to add to that, CC was the prize at the end of the bridge in 2008, and as it turned out, Tex and AJ (if you can call AJ a prize) as well. This year, there are no big free agents waiting to fix all of our problems. There is nothing to bridge to. This team should win.

    • CMP

      I don’t think it’s a bridge year. Some commenters are convinced Garcia is going to be a solid addition to the rotation.
      I think that’s delusional but if it does happen, assuming CC is rock solid, Hughes develops at least a little, Burnett bounces back slightly and Nova pitches a little above replacement level, the Yanks should make the playoffs and then anything can happen.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    We have our Joba update

    2. My friend and colleague Brian Costello reported from Tampa that Joba Chamberlain appears about 10-15 pounds heavier than last year (by the way, if you are not following Brian on Twitter at @BrianCoz then you are missing terrific Yankees updates). Maybe that weight gain is nothing. Joba suggested he feels better and stronger.

    But I have always thought that Chamberlain is at his worst when he is at his most comfortable, and I wonder if those 10-15 pounds are comfort pounds.

    One factor to keep in mind is that with Rafael Soriano around, the Yankees are not forced to live with Joba as a late-inning set-up man. And Chamberlain does have options left. So if those 10-15 pounds are an indicator of comfort, Chamberlain could find himself getting comfortable at Scranton.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....69OY8dK3kK

    Joba, you’re dead to me. Dead.

    • Esteban

      Wait, I had heard that the first report wasn’t necessarily true and Joba addressed his weight and said he had worked hard in the offseason at the gym he installed in his house. I’ll look for a link.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Eric Boland from Newsday said on Twitter that Joba bulked up a bit and had a gym installed at his house. Shocking that the Post would report something inflammatory and wrong.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          If anything, the Post is generally friendly to the Yanks and seem to get most of their scoops. The Daily News and Newsday are the papers who spend most of their editorial space attacking the Yanks. You may not like the Post, but they’re very Yankee-friendly.

          BTW-That was from a Sherman piece. Is Joel all of a sudden an unreliable reporter?

          • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

            You yourself noted that Sherman is reporting it as coming from Costello. It’s not like Joel’s in Tampa or did the legroom itself, and Costello isn’t on the same level as Sherman IMO.

          • Urban

            Nostra, the Post is generally friendly to the Yanks and get most of the scoops because, as you noted, they are friendly to the Yanks. It is no secret that the Post is the Yankees paper and the Daily News is the Mets paper.

            I have no idea what that means, however, when it comes to Joba. If he comes to camp 15 pounds heavier based on fat, well, that’s not a good thing. If he worked out in the gym and put muscle on, that’s a different story.

        • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Well to be fair we really have no idea if he just got a little pudgy, put on some muscle, etc. Just because we later heard that he said he worked out at the gym in his house this offseason doesn’t automatically mean any weight gain is all muscle, at this point. Just because we heard an explanation we like better doesn’t mean we have to go all-in on believing that one.

          Also from Costello:

          Joba Chamberlain spent most of his winter watching cartoons with his 4-year-old son, not “SportsCenter.”

          Chamberlain showed up to the Yankees minor-league complex noticeably bigger. He looks like he’s gained 10-15 pounds. That may set off alarm bells in Yankeeland, but he has seven weeks to lose the weight, and it’s not like he’s the size of David Wells.

          The ‘Joba hit the weights thing’ was Joba’s explanation for the noticeable weight gain. Doesn’t mean the guys in tip-top shape.

          • Esteban

            We shall see all in good time and if it matters one way or the other.

            • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Only time will tell.

              /BenBait’d

              • Esteban

                It’s impossible to know. It’s too early.

                /pouring out a little for FJM

        • CMP

          I can’t remember the last time a baseball player “bulked up” and improved his performance unless you’re talking about Bonds or one of the other PED guys.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        We’ll see, but Costello is a good reporter.

        • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

          Here is the follow-up. “I put a gym in my house,” Joba said.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            That doesn’t refute what Costello wrote, its simply a quote from Joba. That quote is in Sherman’s piece as well, but Costello apparently doesn’t believe Joba.

            • Dream of Electric Sheeps

              much ado with nothing really. If Costello is questioning the verity of Joba’s response, i would think he is entitled to that. Personally, I don’t know if one way or another this will effect his pitching. everyone’s physiology are dif.

            • Urban

              I can give a shit what Joba’s weight is. I care what velocity his fastball is coming in at.

          • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            So reporters say they think Joba looks like he gained weight, Joba says the weight-gain is from hitting the weights at his in-home gym… And that’s that?

            I’m sorry… I’m not passing judgment either way here, but the rush to absolve and defend Joba is just as foolish as the rush to kill him for his conditioning based on long-distance glimpses communicated via twitter.

            • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

              I’m just presenting both sides of the story here.

              • http://twitter.com/joero23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                “Eric Boland from Newsday said on Twitter that Joba bulked up a bit and had a gym installed at his house. Shocking that the Post would report something inflammatory and wrong.”

                Really?

    • Mike HC

      Joba has been fluctuating weights his entire career. It would have been a story if Joba actually got his act together and got in perfect shape. This is no surprise and not any different that even his in season routine. Luckily, Joba can probably pitch at any weight, he is that talented.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      He has options left?

  • Reggie C.

    Do the RS have an extension in place with Adrian Gonzalez? Could Theo be simply waiting to see how the Pujols situation will play out? Since Theo is going to have to pay Gonzalez 140 + million, why not wait a while and see if the greatest hitter in baseball will be available.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      The Sox have a tendency of announcing extensions around Opening Day for luxury tax reasons. They did the same thing with Beckett a year or so back. The consensus after the trade was that something was in place with A-Gon.

      • Esteban

        Yea, I don’t think Adrian would have okayed the trade without some sort of extension in place.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Gonzalez had no say, he doesn’t have a NTC.

          • Esteban

            Well then… I don’t think the Red Sox would have done the trade without having some sort of agreement with Gonzalez.

    • The Real JobaWockeeZ

      And give up Kelly and Rizzo for nothing? Doubtful.

      • Reggie C.

        Who knows… I’d say: who else would outbid the RS for Gonzalez’s services after the 2011 season? Definitely Theo couldn’t have known that Pujols looks like a better bet to hit FA every passing day and acted accordingly. Yet, we’re all assuming that Gonzalez might be locked up … and that simply might not be the case.

        Remember, Ortiz’s salary comes off the books after 2011.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Remember, Ortiz’s salary comes off the books after 2011.

          So does Drew’s, Cameron’s, and Papelbon’s. They’ve got like, $50M coming off the books, but no RF or DH.

          • Reggie C.

            If Pujols hits free agency, Theo would have enough money to sign Pujols + extend JD Drew or sign DeJesus . Farm grads like Kalish, Anderson, and Redick could then fill-in the DH/RF spot cheaply.

            If Theo hasn’t signed Gonzalez to the extension yet, then the Boston GM might be headed to one of the greatest splashes ever.

      • Urban

        You have it all wrong. The media will still declare it brilliant. A year of Gonzalez, and then the sign Pujols? Brilliant! Sign Gonzalez at ten million less per year than Pujols? Brilliant! Don’t sign Gonzalez or Pujols? Brilliant!

        It’s all brilliant.

        Don’t you get it?

    • Accent Shallow

      I’m 95% sure that they have an extension in place, but they’re not announcing it so it doesn’t count towards the 2011 cap.

      So, Gonzalez is in Boston for awhile, they’re just pulling some shenanigans.

  • NJYankeeFan

    I’d laugh my ass of if A-Gon pulled a Carlos Boozer on the Red Sox and bolted for a better offer.

    • mbonzo

      I seriously don’t understand why he’d want an extension with all the great press he’s getting. Seems like the beat writers think it’s definitely happening, but if the Red Sox don’t want to overpay him, theres no reason to not wait til next offseason to weigh your offers.

      • NJYankeeFan

        You’d think he has all the leverage at this point. After all all, how could Theo let him walk after all he gave up.

  • bakekrukow412

    Just wanna throw this out there: if your bored this spring and are looking for some reading, check out the Maple Street Press’ Yankees annual. i’ve gotten it for the last 4 years and am never disapointed. They have great analysis, (even use some metrics), and is a great companion for the season. 120 color pages, only like $10. I’ve got a nice little colleciton of them. Highly recommend.

  • Mantle28

    Was at the knicks game today..

    /Griffin’d

    • Esteban

      Some brutal defense.

  • Avi

    From an RAB tweet: the Twins are open to trading Liriano.
    http://www.startribune.com/spo.....aLDyE7DyaU

    • Esteban

      Let the race to create the craziest trade proposal begin.

      • mbonzo

        I have no idea what he’d be worth, but he’s not worth Montero.

        • Avi

          No he’s not. Fortunately he’s on a team that has Mauer and Morneau anyway.

          • mbonzo

            Good point, Gardner might be a good fit for them as well as the B’s. I just hope that if the Yankees trade Montero, its within a package for an ace pitcher or a projected ace.

        • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

          I’d trade Montero for Liriano in a split second.

          • ZZ

            Only two years of team control left (expensive too), never thrown 200 innings, and too much of an injury risk.

            Too much of a risk to trade Montero for.

            • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

              He’s never thrown 200 innings, but was at 191. He’ll be 27 this year, he’s already had TJS. Why is he a big injury risk any more than any other pitcher? While I’d rather have more than 2 years of control, I’m pretty sure the Yankees could keep him long term. Having 2 lefties at the top of the rotation in YSIII would be huge.

              There aren’t many guys I’d trade Montero for straight up, but Liriano is one.

              • mbonzo

                Liriano would be nice to have, but I think they could set up a deal that didn’t require Montero. In my opinion, aces will be available if the Yankees are patient. Example: I think Hernandez will be on the market next year as soon as his salary increases. I’d much rather try to trade for Liriano now with a deal around Banuelos, and then go after Hernandez or Johnson after some time with Montero.

                • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                  I don’t know that the Twins would want Montero, unless they #1 think he can catch, and #2 want to move Mauer off of catcher.

                  • mbonzo

                    Yes, and I think the Yankees would rather trade a package of lesser prospects for him.

                  • Urban

                    How much longer does Morneau have on his contract? I think it’s unlikely he returns after his current contract expires. Montero could be their new 1B’man.

                    I’ll trade Montero for Liriano. I don’t want to trade Jesus, but to get quality you have to give quality.

              • ZZ

                If the Twins were willing to trade him and how their long term extension talks went nowhere sends up a big red flag for me. They have had the kid in their system since he was 17 so they really have in depth knowledge of his health. That and just him not showing yet that he has the durability. Even last year when he pitched close to 200 innings he was noticeably fatigued at the end of the season, which scares me going into 2011.

                • mbonzo

                  He’s dealt with elbow fatigue through his whole career. Last time he had it was in 2009, so maybe that was just from recovery and TJS actually fixed him. Either way, he’s a number two starter with the ability to be an ace someday.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  Did they even have long-term extension talks? Their payroll was ~$100M last year before Mauer’s big money kicked in. I imagine they’ll have to save somewhere, and paying Liriano $10M+ by 2013 just might not be possible.

                  Depends on the price of course, but I’d absolutely be in favor of it. Every pitcher has some kind of red flag, if you’re looking for a guy with no injury risk, you’ll be looking forever.

                  • ZZ

                    This is from the article that started this Liriano thing

                    “One thing is clear: The Twins don’t plan to sign him long term. Last weekend, they avoided arbitration with a one-year, $4.3 million deal. From what I’ve heard, their long-term talks went nowhere, with Liriano’s camp hinting it wanted a three-year, $39 million contract.”

                    Yeah of course every player carries risk. I am not saying I wouldn’t want to trade for Liriano. I would definitely try to make a move for him if there is any truth to this rumor. I am just saying the risk is not worth Montero.

                    It is worth other players in the Yankees system though.

                    • mbonzo

                      I agree, Cashman has shown that if he’s gonna trade Montero, its gonna be for guys like Lee or Halladay.

          • Sean C

            Why? Just … why?

          • Avi

            The best player Milwaukee gave for Greinke is Jake Odorizzi. The best player the Angels traded for Dan Haren is Jon Skaggs. The best player the Mets traded for Johan was Carlos Gomez. You would trade Jesus for Liriano?

            • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

              By all accounts the Royals got a good haul for Greinke, who was being traded from a team with zero chance of contending. Greinke also demanded a trade, so the Royals’ hand was forced. The D’backs also were not contending, and based on Jerry Dipoto’s “Joe Saunders has a good winning%” comment, I don’t know that the D’backs had the right man for the job(which he didn’t keep). The Johan trade was a bust for both sides. Johan was also older and closer to free agency. They had hit a point where Santana had to be moved. If Liriano gets moved in 2011, the cost will be much greater than if he gets moved in 2012.

          • mbonzo

            To be honest, I don’t know enough about Liriano’s projection. I know he’s had amazing numbers some years, but also been inconsistent and unhealthy. I’d say a straight up trade would be fair, but the Yankees should trade Montero for a legitimate ace that doesn’t have question marks. Even if it takes a few of the b’s, I’d rather have a guy without as many question marks as Liriano.

            • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

              I don’t know that he’s been unhealthy in a Pavano’esque way of injury after injury. He had TJS, which he came back from, had the normal struggles returning, and was awesome this year. He’s young, a lefty in YSIII and helps short and long term. If you are 100% convinced Jesus can handle catching, maybe I don’t make the trade, but I don’t think anyone is 100% convinced of that.

              • mbonzo

                He’s had elbow issues throughout his career. The TJS might have fixed it for him since his last official upset was September 2009, though he missed a week in August 2010 for arm fatigue. I just don’t think Liriano is the “special other” worth giving up Montero for.

            • Avi

              A realistic trade would be a B, Warren and Nunez, which is about on par with what was traded for Greinke and Haren. I think Nunez woud have value to them. They are and have been very weak at SS and 2B. I’d substitute Heathcott for Nunez if I had to.

              • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                Good luck with that.

              • The ca$hMAN

                Brackman,warren,nunez + c prospect

                • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                  So the Twins, in the second year of their brand new stadium, coming off a division title (2nd straight) are going to trade their best pitcher for Brackman who many people think will end up the pen, Warren, who most people think will be a #4 or #5 guy, and Nunez, who doesn’t do anything great. There is nothing close to a sure thing in that package. Why would Minnesota do that?

                  • mbonzo

                    I’m pretty sure Banuelos or Betances are gonna be involved with this deal. I’d love to see Betances, Laird, Heathcott, but I wouldn’t take anything less than Banuelos if I was the Twins.

                  • Esteban

                    Why did they trade Santana for Carlos Gomez, Phillip Humber, and Mulvey? Yes, different situations, but GMs do silly things all the time. You’re most likely right, but I feel a lot of the trades for top pitchers have been surprisingly underwhelming.

                    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                      Maybe Brackman, Nunez and Warren get it done in 2012 when he’s closer to FA, but it makes so little sense for them to move him right now that it’s going to cost a lot. My house isn’t for sale, but if someone made me an offer I couldn’t refuse, I’d start packing. Liriano didn’t demand a trade (Greinke) and isn’t being shopped (Santana and Haren and Lee who got a big package). To move them, they will have to be overwhelmed.

                  • Avi

                    Because he’s a free agent after 2012, they have 5 starters without him and their best prospect Kyle Gibson, Is close to being ready.

              • mbonzo

                I could see Heathcott, Banuelos, and Nunez landing Liriano. I’d rather trade Betances or Brackman, but its hard to center a trade around those two guys in comparison to Banuelos.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        Five team deal. Get ready for this shitstorm.

        It involves Texas, us, the Cubs, the Giants and the Twins. Texas trades Michael Young to the Twins. They send cash and a prospect to the Rangers. Then the Twins flip Young for Zito. We step in to absorb some money for the Twins, give them a C prospect and we get Liriano. We then call up the Cubs, offer to take on some (re: half) cash and they give us Zambrano for AJ. Our rotation is now CC, Liriano, Hughes, Zambrano, Nova/Colon/Garcia.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          So the Twins get Zito, a C prospect, and cash for Liriano and a prospect?

          • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

            Pretty much. Obviously it would never happen in real life, but I tried to have fun with it.

    • Mike HC

      I would love to get Liriano, but I personally would not include Montero in a package for him. Some combination of the three B’s, Warren, Adams, Nunez, and our high upside low minor guys should be able to put together a damn competitive offer if they are serious about dealing him.

  • NJYankeeFan

    Interesting thought by Andrew Marchand. Would the Cards take on the 6 years and $125 million left on Tex’s contract in exchange for Pujols. You gotta think it’s gonna cost 8 years and $200-$215 million for Pujols. Would it be worth while for the Cards to pay $80+ million more through Pujols 40th birthday when they can have Tex only through age 36? Should the Yanks be interested?
    For the next 5-6 years, you’d think Pujols will easily outperform Tex but could they afford to have 2 players making nearly $60 million combined through their 40th birthdays?

    • ZZ

      I can’t believe how many Yankee fans have actually suggested this.

      Teix has a no trade clause.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        So does Pujols, and he’s already said he’d veto any trade this year. It sounds like a move for the sake of making a move. they’d be getting the older (and better, certainly) player who’s A YEAR FROM FREE AGENCY. WTF, how is that a good idea?

        • Mister Delaware

          But … he is older than A-Rod. And Pujols played 3B coming up so that means he can still play there. Pujols for A-Rod and maybe we throw in Brett Gardner and they throw in Colby Rasmus. It makes sense, they get a guy who has already signed a contract and will get paid less than $300MM going forward and we get a guy who is better then we sign him to a team friendly deal which he’ll do because being a Yankee is great and he’ll make a lot doing commercials for products. And TLR loves scrap so he’ll love Gardner and Rasmus is young and good and then maybe Pettitte can be talked into pitching because I read they were really good friends back in 1999.

          +28!!!!!!!

          (If anyone basically did this above, I apologize. I was watching my alma actually play a televised game and I didn’t feel like reading through.)

          • Mister Delaware

            (“… he isn’t”. I can’t even parody right tonight.)

        • CMP

          It wouldn’t make them older (both were born in 1980, Tex in April and Pujols in january)

          To even consider the trade, the Yanks would have to be granted a window to work out an extension.

          I’d pass on the deal ultimately because I think it would be too risky to have that much money tied up with A-rod and Pujols on contracts that carry them into their 40s.
          In 6 years when Tex’s contract in up, Montero will be only 27 and it may be the right time to move him from behind the plate to 1st base full time.

  • Yankeefan91 Arod Fan

    So is anyone planning to go to opening day ? im bored thats y i asked im planning on going if God willing.

  • The ca$hMAN

    I wouldnt trade montero or banuelos for liriano too much of a injury history.