Open Thread: February 28th Camp Notes

A look inside the Yankees' academy in the Dominican Republic
A rumor is a rumor is a rumor
Nice try, Justin. (AP Photo/Phelan M. Ebenhack)

The latest from Spring Training

  • The Yankees fell to the Tigers by the score of 6-2 this afternoon. CC Sabathia, Pedro Feliciano, Manny Banuelos, and Mark Prior combined for five scoreless innings, but the two Rule 5 guys (Robert Fish & Daniel Turpen) and D.J. Mitchell stunk it up in the last three frames. Alex Rodriguez, Mark Teixeira, and Jorge Vazquez each doubled once while Russell Martin drew a pair of walks in his Grapefruit League debut. Here’s the box score. Banuelos was sitting at 93 and touched 95. (Buster Olney)
  • A.J. Burnett hit Greg Golson in the head with a pitch during a live batting practice session on Sunday. Golson was taken off the field in a cart and tests were negative, though it turns out the morning sun had more to do with it than A.J.’s suspect control. Golson simply never saw the pitch. Burnett called Golson last night to check on him, but the outfielder isn’t sure when he’ll be back. The Yankees have stopped hitting on the back field because of the glare. (George King, Marc Carig & Erik Boland)
  • Derek Jeter asked Kevin Long to take some extra time to work with him tomorrow; he’s still adjusting to the revamping swing. The Cap’n is 1-for-6 with five ground outs in Grapefruit League play, and the one hit was a grounder that found a hole. (Carig)
  • Andrew Brackman‘s fine after throwing yesterday, and he expects to be back on the mound tomorrow following his little groin/hip issue. Martin will get one more game at DH and then catch either Thursday or Friday. (Boland & Chad Jennings)
  • The regular outfielders and Jorge Posada will make the trip to Bradenton to play the Pirates tomorrow, and Phil Hughes gets the start. David Robertson, Boone Logan, Jesus Montero, and a bunch of other minor league types will be there as well. (Jennings)

Here’s tonight’s open thread. The Nets are the only local team in regular season action, though there’s a replay of today’s Mets-Nats game on both SNY (7pm ET) and MLB Network (9:30) as well. You all know the drill, so go nuts.

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A look inside the Yankees' academy in the Dominican Republic
A rumor is a rumor is a rumor
  • pete

    Anybody see “Exit Through The Gift Shop”?

    • Wil Nieves #1 Fan

      Excellent.

    • http://www.twitter.com/HulkHeyman HulkHeyman

      I loved it! I recommend it to everyone.

      • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

        I like how you’re not exactly sure what the motivation is for that movie.

        • http://www.twitter.com/HulkHeyman HulkHeyman

          What makes you so sure of that?

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    they’re playing the Pirates?
    Yes!

  • squishy jello person

    We can has nova for Liriano?

    • Steve in PDX

      Saw that. Or Joba. I don’t care what the risk is, you gotta pull the trigger on that.

    • Total Dominication

      Not the Twins, that’s for sure. Though maybe if we add Melky Cabrera to sweeten the deal… wait what?

      • Craig Miller

        http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....lable.html

        “Bubba Crosby is our starting CF” 2.0?

        • Total Dominication

          Oh sure they could get someone, but no one good will come for Nova. IT’s like the Melky+IPK package everyone wanted to trade for an ace a few years ago. It’s not a very good package.

          • Avi

            Gotta say these Liriano rumors are getting me excited.

            • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

              When there is a rumor worth believing on the table I’ll get excited, but any package led by Nova or Joba makes negative sense for the Twins unless they think Liriano’s arm is a ticking timebomb. They have no other incentive to move him right now.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                I must admit, I smell a rat here. While I’d have no issue with a Joba+Nova++ deal, this is happening too fast. we all know Liriano tweaked his shoulder a week ago. Maybe that scared the Twins, or maybe they know more about him than they’re letting on. Maybe both.

                • MannyGee

                  i think we all knowbthe big question here that cash wants to ask… how good lirianos stuff must play out of the bullpen!!!

                  seriously, i get a horrible gut feeling that the yankees lose in a liriano for joba deal, long term…let alone for joba/nova/++

                  • Slugger27

                    unless liriano pulls a pavano and just cant stay on the mound, i dont see how thats possible. the dudes only 27, and hes a lot better than joba

                    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                      And supposedly the Twins like Joba as a relief pitcher too. So, yeaaaaah.

                    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                      When healthy, Liriano one of the top lefties in the game. Nobody disputes that. But I’m just getting suspicious about his health status.

                      It’s easy to say ‘he’ll take a physical’ but unfortunately, everything doesn’t always show up on a test. Damaso Marte’s shoulder went undetected for most of last year before they found anything.

                    • MannyGee

                      I think this is the case scenario I envision the most… Lirianos arm falls off and Joba replaces Joe Nathan as their closer… and oh yeah, Nova is starting for them in the playoffs…

                    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                      That’s the risk.

                      And why do this now? Wouldn’t they want to try to compete and then do this mid season, if at all? What’s the rush?

                • OldYanksFan

                  Me too. The Twinkies are always in the Race in the weak AL Central, and they don’t like to spend money. They have a #2+ for $4m, and they will let him go?

                  I prefer the mid-season salary dump.
                  At least we (usually) know the real motivation there.

                  • Total Dominication

                    Liriano is not a number 2.

                    • MannyGee

                      not in minny he’s not… he would be here though

            • Dave M

              The Liriano rumors have me more nervous then excited. I talked to a Twins fan today. Told me that Liriano couldn’t even finish his first throwing session. Sore shoulder, I think is what he said.

              • MannyGee

                OK considering the significant risk the Yankees take on here, isnt this a JOba/ Laird/ jorge Vazquez type deal? One very serviceable piece, a real prospect and a fringe prospect? that might almost be more then what the Mets paid for Johan…

    • Beamish

      What about Nova AND Joba – anyone still all in on that?

      • Avi

        Yes. Where do I pick them up? I’d like to drive them to Minnesota right now.

      • Slugger27

        everyone but the twins is all in on that

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        That was the rumor, no?

        • Avi

          I think the rumor today was Joba or Nova plus..

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            http://twitter.com/#!/JimBowde.....1504334848

            You’re right.

            Either way I do it, assuming Liriano’s healthy.

            • Louis

              Well… What happened to the recieving team the last time the twins dealt an ace pitcher? … Glad we didn’t bite on that one.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                Like the Braves, they do know when to cut bait.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Meh, the Mets gave up zero for a pitcher who has been very, very good for them. No, he hasn’t been what he was in 2004-2006, and those injuries and his contract hurt considering the Mets’ financial status right now, but he’s been very very good.

                I’m glad we didn’t bite too, because otherwise we probably wouldn’t have CC, and I’d rather have CC right now – but to portray that deal as some sort of disaster is just wrong.

                • Louis

                  At the time, the mets weren’t giving up “nothig”. Some prospects don’t pan out. I’m just giving the twins credit for selling high on him when he was at his highest point of value.

                • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                  There’s 3 ways to look at the Santana deal

                  -Trade perspective: Huge wins for Mets. Gave up zilch.

                  -Contract perspective:Bad deal. One of the two highest pitchers in baseball and hasn’t earned his contract. They’ve lost money on that contract every year he’s been with them.

                  -Health and performance: He’s been a good, not great pitcher for them. He’s had surgery on his elbow, knee, and shoulder in his 3 years with the team.

  • Total Dominication

    According to Gameday, the two ManBan k’s combined for 4 swing strikes. Nice, especially against the major leaguers.

  • Mike

    ManBan threw 7 pitches in the inning and had 2 strikeouts? Am I reading that correctly?

    • YankeesJunkie

      Gameday does not count pitches accurately.

    • NJ_Andy

      Gameday pitchcounts are off. The only present the minimum.

  • Ruba_Doob

    spoiler alert for the mets/nats game:
    harper:0-2 2k 6 pitches

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      It was 7 pitches, Gameday pitchcounts are off. Dude takes some mighty big hacks though.

      • MannyGee

        woulda been a different story if he was hitting from 1st base @ the Trop… with a metal bat…

        youtube it, you’ll get it

      • Ruba_Doob

        my bad i watched it on tv musta missed a pitch

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      apparently that’s what he does. Watch out when he does make contact, though.

      I still think it’s premature for so many people to rate him as number one prospect.

      • Slugger27

        i think its premature to rate him as a top 10 prospect personally.

      • MannyGee

        So I am hearing Harper = Really really really rich mans Shelly Duncan… ummmm, good luck?

  • Joseph Cecala

    Didn’t AJ hit someone in the head last preseason as well?

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      Regular season, too!

      /obligatory’d

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    Here’s Nightengale’s latest on Liriano:

    Yes, there is definitely a chance Liriano could be dealt this spring, particularly if Twins get key prospects back in return

    That’s a far, far, far cry from “Nova or Joba + for Liriano” unless the + is significant prospects (which would then actually be the biggest piece of the trade).

    • Slugger27

      lol at the lameness of that statement. using “a chance” to describe the possibility of him being dealt, and then saying for said chance to happen, they need to get prospects back they like

      yeah…. no shit

    • Louis

      Banuelos, nunez, Warren for Liriano. Think that gets it done?

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        I think that’s a fair package, but I don’t see the Twins making that move now. If they are out of it at the deadline (or next offseason) maybe that gets it done, but they have such little motivation to move him I think they’d have to be blown away. That’s a solid package, but I don’t think that gets it done anytime soon.

        • Mister Delaware

          I don’t think I like that package for a pitcher of suspect health.

        • MannyGee

          the ‘buyer’ willing to overpay might not be there at the deadline or next season. Their ‘motivation’, alot of ppl forget, is that the Yankees and their golden purse strings are in a position of demand. if you have a really good pitcher under contract right now that you do not envision on your team in 2015, you may want to consider making a call and asking for Banuelos or Montero… you might be surprised…

          looking at you Seattle

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    There is definitely a chance I could win the lottery this spring, particularly if I buy a ticket with the right numbers.

    • Slugger27

      well done.

    • MannyGee

      but only if you get millions of dollars in return?

  • The Real JobaWockeeZ

    “I’m not talking to anyone about anything right now,” Cashman said. “Nobody’s available. Nobody of value, anyway.”

    -Brian Cashman

    So King Felix is apparently available now. Go get ‘em!

  • Avi

    New Callis article on how Yankee catching prospects are best in the game.
    http://www.baseballamerica.com.....11354.html

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      New Callis article on how Yankee catching AND pitching prospects are best in the game.

      Fixed that for ya.

      • Avi

        Boom!

  • Teh Comp Pick

    I’m glad Harper toned down the facepaint from Ultimate Warrior to baseball player for his first AB’s. Have a few Bondsian seasons and maybe you can bring that ridiculous facepaint style back.

    • MannyGee

      LOL… try “you can paint your face like Binky the FCKING Clown if you want… riiiiiight after you do something other than strike out at the professional level of baseball competetion”

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    MLBN has a recap of Game 4 of the 2001 World Series on in their Greatest Games Ever countdown, or whatever it is. Warning, though: McCarver is doing commentary. D:

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....for-prior/

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m rooting hard for Prior. Can you imagine what he’s been through? Going from one of the top prospects of all time, to MLB success, to injury after injury and spending 5 long, lonely years trying to get back where you were. Most people would have given up a long, long time ago. I hope he gets a chance with the MLB team sometime this year. It’s a great story of perseverance. If I’m at the ballpark the night he comes back, he gets a 10 minute ovation from me, and hopefully everyone else.

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      Right with you. What a great story it would be for him just to come back. Any success would just be the icing on the icing.

    • jsbrendog

      +1

  • Craig Miller

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4v1hAnfy1I

    Batman= Sandy Alderson
    Bomb= Oliver Perez/ Luis Castillo/ shitty contracts in general

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    Nova, Noesi, Nunez and anyone else in the Yankee system who’s last name begins with an ‘N’ for Liriano.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      Except of course, for Nanny Nanuelos, Nellin Netances or Nesus Nontero.

      /pre-emptingthewisenheimers

  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

    From a pure value perspective, and not considering 2011 MLB team needs, how many Yankees minor league pitchers do you prefer to Nova? I have 5 definites.

    • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

      The Killer B’s… and…?

      Nova’s a finished product who could eat loads of innings and win lots of games on this team. I’m not sure you can say that right now about Phelps, Warren or Noesi.

      • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

        Warren and Noesi. For 2011 it’s Nova, but I think those guys have greater upside than Nova and are close to the majors. Guys like Ramirez and Mitchell have more upside as well, but are too far away. I’d think about Stoneburner too.

        • Avi

          Nah, I’d go with Nova over everyone but the B’s and it’s close with Brackman for me.

        • YankeesJunkie

          Not including 2011 then I am going to add Marshall to that list for me.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          Warren has a more complete (if unspectacular) repertoire, Noesi has the best fastball command in the system, but I don’t agree that means either has more MLB upside than Nova. Actually, I think Warren is trade bait and Noesi’s a reliever.

          Nova consistently throws a 2-seamer in the mid 90’s. As we saw with Wang, that can be very valuable on a team like the Yanks, and Ivan has a better swing and miss pitch with the change than Wang ever did. His curve is better than Wang’s was as well. Maybe people are still looking at old scouting reports on Nova, but the Yanks obviously believe enough to give him the #4 role to lose this spring.

          • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

            I think Warren’s more complete repertoire is what separates him from Nova come the 2nd and 3rd times thru the lineup. Nova just isn’t surprising anyone at the point, and he doesn’t quite generate the ground balls that a guy like Wang (and Derek Lowe) do. Living like Wang and Lowe is an extremely tough way to be a good pitcher year in and year out, and I don’t see Nova being enough of a ground ball guy. In the minors, Noesi has missed significantly more bats and walked a lot less guys (though Nova’s been a little younger) and I think his command gives him the edge on Nova.

            • mbonzo

              From a value perspective, I think Nova is worth the 4th most behind Brackman, Betances, and Banuelos. The other guys have higher ceilings, but they still have work to be done on them. Nova is arguably a major league ready pitcher, and when we talk about value, that adds a lot when pitchers are one of the most inconsistent and injury prone positions. The other guys, Warren, Noesi, Phelps, Stoneburner, and Marshall all have higher upside, but in pure value if we’re talking about a trade, Nova has got a lead because of where he is in his career.

              • camilo Gerardo

                Nova is def ML ready, with what he did last year at AAA, and the amount of innings he did it in

            • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

              Don’t read too much into Nova’s struggles in the 5 inning last year. I heard Billy Eppler asked this very question, and he said Nova was past his previous innings high and was just running out of gas last year. They don’t expect that to be an issue this year.

              • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                I do think it is related to his repertoire though.

                • MannyGee

                  Nova needs a cutter.

                  shit, Joba needs a cutter. have him learn one from Mo, not like he’s gonna be doing anything for those 1st 5 innings of the game anyhow.

                  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                    His change is a good weapon for lefties. He’s fine. Plus, he’s a ground ball pitcher, he doesn’t need to miss bats to be effective.

      • Hurling Darvish

        Pure value includes trade value, so less senior prospects have value, even though they are far from making the big league club.

        Arodys Vizcaino, is an example of guy who had enough value to be the centerpiece of the Javy trade last year.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    BP’s top 100 list

    1. Bryce Harper, OF, Nationals
    2. Mike Trout, OF, Angels
    3. Jesus Montero, C, Yankees
    4. Domonic Brown, OF, Phillies
    5. Julio Teheran, RHP, Braves
    6. Aroldis Chapman, LHP, Reds
    7. Mike Moustakas, 3B, Royals
    8. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Pirates
    9. Jeremy Hellickson, RHP, Rays
    10. Matt Moore, LHP, Rays
    11. John Lamb, LHP, Royals
    12. Eric Hosmer, 1B, Royals
    13. Wil Myers, C, Royals
    14. Kyle Drabek, RHP, Blue Jays
    15. Shelby Miller, RHP, Cardinals
    16. Manny Machado, SS, Orioles
    17. Zach Britton, LHP, Orioles
    18. Desmond Jennings, OF, Rays
    19. Chris Sale, LHP, White Sox
    20. Freddie Freeman, 1B, Braves
    21. Mike Montgomery, LHP, Royals
    22. Brandon Belt, 1B/OF, Giants
    23. Jacob Turner, RHP, Tigers
    24. Michael Pineda, RHP, Mariners
    25. Dustin Ackley, 2B, Mariners

    26. Mike Minor, LHP, Braves
    27. Manny Banuelos, LHP, Yankees
    28. Jason Kipnis, 2B, Indians
    29. Gary Sanchez, C, Yankees
    30. Chris Carter, 1B, Athletics
    31. Miguel Sano, 3B, Twins
    32. Dellin Betances, RHP, Yankees

    Fist pump

    • Big Apple

      where have you gone, Casey Kelly?

      • The Real JobaWockeeZ

        Hall of Fame.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      We did have a post on this this morning, you know.

      • Reggie C.

        Whatever happened to Donovan Tate? I thought he was supposed to be the crown jewel of the Padres system?

        • pat

          Mr.Glass. Messed up his shoulder, broke his jaw on an ATV, had a sports hernia. He’s lost almost 2 years of developmen, which is pretty bad considering how raw he was coming out of HS.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Yeah, dude’s been injured basically non-stop since signing.

  • Reggie C.

    Watching the last episode of Spartacus: Gods of the Arena … FUCKING EPIC BATTLE ROYALE.

    • camilo Gerardo

      yea, telle erryone about this show!!!

  • Big Apple

    First player elected to never have played a game. He’s gonna be so damn good…let’s just cut out the bull crap and give his own wing.

  • 28 this year

    Anybody know why the Yankees released and then re-signed Andy Sisco? He was already on a minor league deal, what could be the reason?

    • pat

      I think the first report that he was released was a mistake.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I dunno, that’s very odd. Maybe they re-negotiated salary or an opt-out date or another clause, thought I thought they would have just amended the original agreement.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala
    • mbonzo

      “The team initially said Beckett was OK, but he started to experience concussion symptoms and was sent home to rest.”

      That about sums about the Red Sox medical staff. “You feel like you have a concussion. Why don’t you go ahead and drive home. Rest and sleep it off, you’ll be good to go tomorrow.”

      • http://www.retire21.org first name only male (formerly Mike R. – Retire 21)

        I am told that he “rubbed some dirt on it” and felt better. He should be fine tomorrow. That’s how the Sawx roll.

        • mbonzo

          He’ll be pitching from his knees.

          • MannyGee

            hes used to catching from them…

    • MannyGee

      his extension is starting to look bad… like AJ Burnett Bad.