Open Thread: Notes from early camp

NoMaas interviews John Manuel
500 words on Michael Young
This is last year's picture and haircut. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

Spring Training doesn’t officially start for a few days, but of course some guys are already down in Tampa working out and whatnot. Phil Hughes and Derek Jeter were among those at the complex today, unsurprising since they both live in the area. Erik Boland and Brian Costello were there and brought a tiny shred of news…

  • Hughes was the first one in this morning and threw a bullpen session in front of new pitching coach Larry Rothschild. He later said that not throwing his changeup in the first half hurt him in the second half, because the pitch “wasn’t there when I needed it.” That’s easily the biggest item on the agenda for Phil this year, use that changeup more to help neutralize left-handed batters. The whole pitch efficiency thing, throwing fewer pitches per batter, will follow.
  • The Cap’n was there was well, and he just took some batting practice. He worked with Kevin Long earlier this offseason, so hopefully whatever they did helps him find those 45 lost points of OBP. Jeter then shot down questions about a potential position change and being angry over his contract negotiations, as you’d expect.

Nothing exciting but hey, it’s baseball. I’m sure you’d rather read that than be reminded that today is the seventh anniversary of the Donovan Osborne signing. Anyway, here’s the open thread for the night. The Rangers are the only local team in action, and they’ve lost four in a row, so yeah. Anything goes, have at it.

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  • Mike Myers

    Best commercial last night?

    Had to be Kim K? Dizammmm!

    • mike c

      that definitely was a stunt butt, she’s way curvier than in that ad

      • Dream of Electric Sheeps

        I thought Joan Rivers’ out shined KK’s butt they might have been the beer goggle speaking… btw, never even heard of go daddy.com. reads like a high end escort service site.

        • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

          It’s probably the biggest domain registrar site out there.

      • CS Yankee

        No doubt…she is quite toned & yet curvy; which equals the total package.

        • camilo Gerardo

          i thought it was sherzinger

    • MannyGee

      i liked the tedleflora Faith Hill commercial… http://www.teleflora.com/super.....lowers.asp

      made me chuckle. by and large though, piss poor showing by the commercials

    • NJYankeeFan

      Had to be the Flower commercial where the guy asked Faith Hills help to write a note to his girlfriend.

  • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

    Any news on the Rothschild/Burnett Meetings earlier this year?

    • Dream of Electric Sheeps

      I heard rumors those two starting a new investment banking/law firm together.

      • MannyGee

        awesome… the Wilpons will be giving them a shit-ton of money in no time…

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Because getting involved in 2 ponzi schemes is not enough

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    1. After hearing Michael Young’s actual whining, whining preemptively about how Derek Jeter might complain when the Yankees try to move him down in the order seems kind of silly

    2. the PECOTA projections for hitters/batters are out, though not the standings projections, can’t wait to hear how they’re “biased” (and pssst, it has Tex and A-Rod as better than A-Gon and Youk, at least by OPS)

    3. Oh Granderson.

    4. my “f” key isn’t working unless I hit it really hard. uck that. ;P

    • http://www.twitter.com/deanezag Zack

      That Granderson thread was pretty bad. What’s the over/under on Coke getting sent back to the bullpen? May 1?

      • MannyGee

        Coke will make them miss Bonderman… and i say by his 6th start…tops

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

        I saw a (good) post about Granderson. I saw it had 100+ comments. I was like, “Oh, this will not be pretty.” I was correct.

        • Esteban

          I apologize for my part in that mess. Shouldn’t have gotten so involved.

          • MannyGee

            like a train wreck, dude… just can’t turn away.

      • Accent Shallow

        I am intrigued to see how Coke fares. Either the Yankees severely misevaluated him, or we’re in for a lot of line drives.

        My prediction: he has an ERA over 6.00, goes 8 strong against the Yankees, then is demoted after a few more starts.

        • MannyGee

          yeah, he is totally two-hitting the Yankees on his way back down to Toledo.

    • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

      My x key doesn’t work at all. But at least it’s only x. I’ve started using ecks as a replacement.

  • http://twitter.com/bryanl26 Bryan L

    I got into a twitter battle with Crasnick today. It was quite enjoyable.

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    The Ire of the Yankee Fandom

    100 wins – acceptable
    99 wins – room for improvement
    98 wins – Girardi lost it for us
    97 wins – “This team reminds me of the mid-2000’s”
    96 wins – Cashman lost it for us
    95 wins – What went wrong? AJ went wrong.
    94 wins – Theo Epstein is a certified genius
    93 wins – “This team reminds me of the eighties”
    92 wins – Give us blood!
    91 wins – “This team reminds me of the 1910’s”
    90 wins – I BLAME A-ROD

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Dare I ask what 89 wins would be considered?

      • Dream of Electric Sheeps

        I think that’s quite realistic projection given the current roster. 89-94 is prolly the range for me.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          realistic projection given the current roster.

          You are aware that due to trades and injuries, the Yankees will in all likelihood play less than 50% of their games with the current roster?

          • Dream of Electric Sheeps

            Yes. I am also aware that the projection given above can only be projected from the roster that is currently available to me. In speaking in the sense of NOW… i think 89 is a realistic projection. I think Vegas prolly would have Yanks come under 93.

      • MannyGee

        89 wins ould be considered 4th place

      • I Voted 4 Kodos

        89 would be mass suicide.

        • Dream of Electric Sheeps

          I have a ‘funny’ pic of Ninja Cash committing Seppuku with a Hanzo sword to lead the pack.

          • I Voted 4 Kodos

            That would certainly make Lombardi happy.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              A friend sent me a link to Lombardi’s “what I think about the 2011 Yankees” thing. They were literally all negative, including Cano, Mo, and CC.

              • whozat

                of course! Everything that was good last year will regress to the mean, and everything that was bad last year will only get worse…except on all the other teams in baseball, where good players only get better, and bad players are primed for a rebound.

              • I Voted 4 Kodos

                If you told that guy you simultaneously won the lottery and bedded a supermodel, he’d warn you about the prevalence of STDs and point out that you’d never see most of the money due to taxes. He can literally find the bad in any situation.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                  Nutrition and exercise are more important than blogging about the stupid Yankees, okay. Except when it comes to how doomed they are.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      That’s funny.

      I saw someone say every Yankee team that doesn’t win a WS is a transition team. I get having high expectations but that’s just a strange thing to say… was 2002 or 2003 a transition team?

      • nsalem

        2002 most definitely was goodybye Tino hello Gaimbino. Rondell, and Raoul. Steve Karsey (what a contract). They all seemed liked great ideas at the time. We did win lots of games in the regular season. Maybe due to a very poor AL East

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

          if that’s the case, 2001 and 2002 were kind of joint transition teams. Moving away from the old guys and breaking in Soriano and NJ and stuff. But the 2001 Yankees won 95 games and made the WS and the 2002 Yankees won 100+ games. Just seems silly to call it a ~bridge year~ or what have you.

          • nsalem

            We averaged 92.3 wins from 1999-2001
            101.7 2002-2004
            95.3 2005-2007
            playoff records
            32-14 1999-2001
            18-16 2002-2004
            4-9 2004-2007

            forgive me if its a little off i did it in my head and I
            have absolutely no idea what it means anyway.

            • nsalem

              also if you change it to 1998-2001 you get an average of
              97.8 regular and 43-16 in the playoffs.

            • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

              1999: 98 wins
              2000: 87 wins
              2001: 95 wins

              where’s the moderate outlier there? And I find it hard to call a team that wins two World Series and goes to another a transition team

              • nsalem

                i was referring to the 2002-2004 Yankees as the transition team.

      • kenthadley

        that IS funny….some of these folks should have been around for the late 60’s and early 70’s teams, along with the early 90’s teams…..I watched them in 1968 hit .214 as a team….and finish in last for 66-67…..THAT was a transition….

    • felixbanuelos

      My prediction is for the Detroit lions to get more wins than our fifth starter

      • http://www.retire21.org first name only male (formerly Mike R. – Retire 21)

        Which 5th starter? Opening day 5th starter? The 5th starter with the most wins? The sum of wins by the 5th turn in the rotation?

  • vinny-b

    didn’t throw his change-up in the first half…

    sometimes i think baseball players aren’t the sharpest knives in the kitchen.

    • Dream of Electric Sheeps

      To extrapolate further on that particular thought… most of the human beings aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed. Exhibit A- Moi.

    • MannyGee

      lol… good thing he’s pretty…

    • NJ Andy

      Well, if it’s not there it’s not there. He’s right to not throw a pitch that isn’t working. He’ll just walk guys or give up HR’s. It’s not like his first half was especially problematic.

      • whozat

        A) These guys are competing, and their every move gets ripped apart, so I can’t fault a young guy for being hesitant to throw his third or fourth best pitch, no matter what the long-term benefits might be.

        B) That said…when you’re going well, that’s exactly the time you CAN afford to work on your lesser pitches that you’ll need later in the game/the season/your career

        • CS Yankee

          Don’t agree with your B.

          If they can’t figure your stuff out and it isn’t broken don’t try and fix it.

          If your fastball is on but you can’t locate your curve that night, it is a great time to try another pitch as the hitters will throw your hook out and only key-in on the heater.

          • whozat

            so…there is literally no time at all that Hughes could work in his changeup? That makes no sense. How does any pitcher introduce a new pitch into his arsenal, then? Throwing in side sessions and spring training will never give you the same level of confidence that throwing it in real games will. There MUST be, at some point, a right time to gain confidence in a new pitch. Is it when you’re getting shelled? Is that the right time?

            • CS Yankee

              That is not what i wrote.

              All pitchers have pitches that they can’t locate on a given night and that is a great time to select another pitch before they get shelled.

              Look at Hughes first playoff game against the Twins…they couldn’t catch the train (were late all night) which is a great time not to try anything cute.

              Look at his second postseason game against the Rangers, he had trouble locating, stayed with two pitches and got shelled.

              Cool?

              • Accent Shallow

                Look at his second postseason game against the Rangers, he had trouble locating, stayed with two pitches and got shelled.

                Cool?

                No, it freakin’ sucked.

              • whozat

                You’re still not understanding me…this is about developing a new pitch. We were talking about the first half of the season, and how he needed to start working the change up into his repertoire so that, in that Texas game, he HAD the pitch to go to.

                If he’s getting shelled in a playoff game…you’re saying he should have started throwing the change, a pitch he hadn’t really thrown in competition since April? That makes no sense.

                • NJ Andy

                  Here’s the issue: the time to prepare the pitch really is spring training/bullpens/side sessions. In pre-game warmups, Hughes should see how it feels. The coaches should see what it looks like. If it’s not there, he shouldn’t throw it–especially if his fastball is doing it’s thang.

                  The games in April count just as much as any late season games, he should play to win–not just with an eye on the playoffs.

  • Drew

    very slow day at RAB. But im happy Hughes is throwing already, the Yankees are really going to be depending on him to do big things this year. The best sound in the world is hearing the pop of baseball hitting the catchers mit.

    • Midland TX

      Don’t ever let me catch you using “Hughes,” “throwing,” and “pop” together in the same post again.

  • Sean C

    one more week… one more week…

  • mike c

    Yo Ax, any thoughts on the prospect watch this year? Maybe the killer B’s as a group?

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

      Do you want to curse ALL of them?!!?!!!

      /oldjoke’d

      • mike c

        the curse is only active for the first half of the season though, kind of like teixeira

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      yeah, when does that begin? I’ve only been here since June, so I’m still a “noob” in the proper sense.

      • Simon

        I second that, I’ve been here since before the all-star break last year so feel free everyone to label us the noobs. :)

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I know who it will be, and it’s just one pitcher. I tried multiple pitchers a few years ago with the TJ Watch, too much work.

      • Dream of Electric Sheeps

        D.Mos Mike? The prodigal son is bound to return after another year of spectacular growth i believe.

        • CS Yankee

          Noesi to the prospect watch!

      • Esteban

        Gotta be Manny B.

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          Dealin Dellin is ahead of him on most of the lists I’ve seen. Though I know Mike has always been a skeptic. I’ll bet it’s Brackman.

          • The Real JobaWockeeZ

            I don’t understand though. Sure Betances has the nasty stuff but his frame still makes him liable to injuries. I’d rather take Banuelos but it’s close.

          • http://riveraveblues.com/2010/02/2010-preseason-top-30-prospects-21281/#comment-779224 LET SBGL BACK ON BRACKMAN’S DEBUT

            can’t use brack twice…

      • Peter Gammons

        KEI
        FKIN
        IGAWA
        WATCH

        an I’m out!!

        • mbonzo

          I’m sure it’ll be Casey Kelly buddy.

  • CS Yankee

    I wonder if we see more changeups from our pitchers this year.

    In having a new starting catcher; one that doesn’t have set opinions of what everyone can throw may just be a great thing for our starters to improve from 22nd place last year.

    I like Posada, I thank him for being such an asset over the years and I believe that he’ll do fine at DH but don’t believe that he will catch more than 40 games this year.

    It seems like quite a few times during postgames that Posada would say something like “…we went with what he could throw early in the game” or “I just called what was working”. I think, in general, that he stays away from the changeup for most pitchers (CC being one exception) and bulldogs the young pitchers a little too much.

    I wonder if Martin will make a solid difference in calling pitches (and yes i know that it is ultimately the pitchers choice) and if it merits a RAB article comparing the two historically; whereas we can see their affect on games called for starters only (as closers generally have 1 or 2 pitches) compared to their respected backups calling the same starters?

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    I’m surprised how well the fan confidence poll held up this week after Andy retired. I don’t expect regular readers of this blog to be LoHuddian bridge jumpers, but it’s definitely a blow to the Yankee chances and I would think it would have more effect than it did.

    I’m with Buster Olney, I think the WC comes out of the Central between the ChiSox or Twinkees. Twins always field a competitive team and the ChiSox just have too much pitching. Maybe the As have a breakout year, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Beane is often too eager to pull the plug to figure they go wire to wire.

    I hope folks aren’t betting on the Killer Bs saving us. Maybe Brackman can contribute, but Betances and Banuelos have innings caps around 130-ish, so I have to assume they’re out as late season rotation candidates. I also think our division no longer has the comforts of a few pushovers to get fat on like it did the last time we had a big lineup and weak rotation in 04. I see the AL East in a tight range (78-90 wins) with 4 of the 5 teams (Sox, Yanks, Rays, Jays) having winning records, and the Yanks missing the playoffs as things currently stand. And no, I don’t think that’s the end of the world. Maybe the worst thing the Yankee brass could do is try to compete this year, and trade off the future rotation for a quick fix this year. I don’t think Cash will do that, but as we know sometimes he gets overruled.

    • CS Yankee

      Agree that the East is stacked and may not hold the WC.

      I can see the West division bringing the WC to the table as well as the Angels and M’s look bad.

      I could see these five teams battling it out for the three of the four spots;

      Twins
      ChiSox
      Tigers
      A’s
      Ranger’s

      • Xstar7

        What about the Rays? Are they still contenders?

        • CS Yankee

          No doubt, I excluded all East teams since the discussion is that the WC could come from somewhere other than the East.

          • Xstar7

            It might come from the east. Cough Yankees Cough

            • CS Yankee

              Yes, it might. The Sox may just get the WC and that would be fun.

              BTW, The Yankees are taking the division.

              • Xstar7

                You’re delusional. The Red Sox will win the division by 10 games over the Blue Jays and go on to sweep the Phillies and their uber-pitching staff in the World Series.

                • CS Yankee

                  Peter Gammons, is that you?

                  • Xstar7

                    No. Peter Gammons would say something even more intelligent than that.

                    • Peter Gammons

                      No I wouldn’t…

                      aGon for MVP…

                      see what I did there? completely unintelligible…

        • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

          Yeah, I see the Rays, Yanks, A’s and Blue Jays all as WC contenders, with whoever comes in second in the Central (Twins/ChiSox) as the favorite.

          For the first time in ages, the Blue Jays really worry me. Unloading Wells and Rios in the last year gives them loads of payroll flexibility, and they have the pieces to make a mid season deal. I think we have to start taking them seriously again.

          • ZZ

            What in the world is going on here? The Jays a Wild Card contender?

            They have gotten significantly worse this offseason, yet they are going to be better than last year?

    • MannyGee

      yeah Olney can suck a dick… when was the last time 2 teams out of the AL Central with 90 wins? 2006. Ironically the last season there was only one AL East team with 90 wins.

      So nope, sorry not buying that the Yanks got 5 wins worse and the the White Sox got 10 wins better…

      • CS Yankee

        Cleveland did get worse & KC may play with minor leaguers all year since they have Frenchy & the Melkman.

        Meanwhile back in the East…the Sox, Jays & O’s got better, and the Rays have aquired bats without pen.

        • ZZ

          The Jays got better by trading both their second best pitcher and hitter away?

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            No, but they’re poised to rebound fast with the pieces they got in the Halladay deal and the payroll flexibility they’ve opened up. For the first time in years, they have the chips and payroll space to make a key move if one becomes available.

            • Dream of Electric Sheeps

              The same can be said about the Yanks. The ultimate questions for the Yanks would be how many pieces do they need to acquire for a championship caliber team and is it worth it in the long term? It’s a tough question when dealing with prospects vs known quantity. then again, i don’t have to make that decision.

              • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                What we do know is if both teams are in on the same player, the price goes up. More bidders is always a bad thing, especially when they’re in your division.

          • CS Yankee

            I think their biggest concern is losing all that pen which they addressed in their trade with Texas.

            I didn’t like the trade with the Brewers, but they apparently got some nice pieces and drabek is highly considered and due to start this year.

            Wells had a long due correction which wasn’t likely to last and they can always apply that coin in getting Young from Texas or wait and see where they are come June (ala Cashman 2011).

            Overall, yes I think they are better long term and with all that Well’s cash can easily fill any holes that occur.

            • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

              and the Rios cash and the Halladay cash.

              • ZZ

                What are they doing with that cash this season?

                • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                  That’s what worries me. I don’t know, but it’s there burning a hole in their pocket.

                  • ZZ

                    I doubt they jump into anything this season.

                    AA just cleared all this money of this books. Why would he want to take on a bad contract midseason?

                    He is building this team for the long term. He cleared all that money so he can dictate what he wants to do with the team.

                    I just don’t get what you think he can do with that money during the middle of the season.

                    He has the prospects to make moves, sure but the money is really a factor for the upcoming offseasons.

                    • CS Yankee

                      I just don’t get what you think he can do with that money during the middle of the season.

                      Umm, Cashman would like to have a word with you.

                    • ZZ

                      The Yankees are much more likely and willing to pick up a bad contract based on their situation. Not advocating these names, just throwing them out there because they come to mind. Santana or Zambrano for example. I can’t see AA picking up a multi year contract after just clearing all those bad contracts.

                      The other thing would be a high price 1 year deal like a Carpenter or a Buerhle. This assumes Toronto would be comfortably in the race where they would want to make this type of move. I cannot see come the trade deadline based on the players they have lost being even remotely in the race to the point where AA is going to trade prospects for a rental.

                      Toronto is in rebuilding mode.

                    • MannyGee

                      well, you know… AA is kind of new at his job. Has anyone let him know that Barry Zito is probably available yet?

                      Jus Sayin

                • CS Yankee

                  :::looks for crystal ball:::

                  I don’t know.

            • ZZ

              Long term is not this season. Sure, they have more money and flexibility in the future but it will do little to help them this season.

              Right now they lost a SP that put up 195 innings with a 3.64 ERA, a CF that put up an .847 OPS last year, and a C that OPS’d .802.

              I don’t know how that can be framed as improvement for the 2011 season.

              • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                Honestly, this. I am pretty worried about the Blue Jays in 2012/2013. I am not that worried about the Blue Jays in 2011. Unloading Wells’ contract was incredible but he was a valuable player for them in 2010.

                • CS Yankee

                  Look at it this way for 2011…

                  Jays>>>>O’s>>>>>>>>Royals>>>>>>>>Indians

                  The whole mess got started when I listed teams from the bEast…

                  the point being that Frenchy, Rookies & the Melkman (aka Royals) along with the Injuns are more likely to put up a weaker fight against their peers than the bEast teams.

                  Agree?

                  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                    Agree but it’s not like those teams were putting up a fight last year

        • ZZ

          Actually I’ll add to that. The Rays also lost their second best hitter and pitcher.

          • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

            They lost their entire bullpen as well, but added Manny and Damon and I like some of their young arms to take a step forward. I don;t think they’ll contend for the division, but they’ll stay in the WC race all year and post a winning record, which puts them in the mix.

            • MannyGee

              you really liking Manny’s knees and Damon’s defense on carpet over 81 games?

              plus no bullpen (which has been a lynchpin for them over the past few years)?

          • The Real JobaWockeeZ

            The ‘second best’ hitter of the Rays was worth a whopping total of 1 WAR last year.

            • ZZ

              You sure you have the second best hitter, because without even looking at fangraphs or bref I can guarantee Crawford was worth way more than 1 WAR.

              • The Real JobaWockeeZ

                Oh I considered him the best and thought you were talking about Carlos Pena.

                • ZZ

                  That athletic white guy at third base is a pretty good ballplayer.

                  • The Real JobaWockeeZ

                    Yeah but last year Crawford was the better player. My bad though.

                    • ZZ

                      lol. No problem.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                  There’s this one guy who lost his hat that you kinda forgot

                  • The Real JobaWockeeZ

                    Crawford beat him last year but a little bit. That’s not gonna last of course since Longoria won’t hit 20 something homers again and will be closer to 30 but still.

              • Dream of Electric Sheeps

                I think Manny and Damon will offset the lost of Crawford offensively. But we will see… Gaza and BP are much bigger losses than C. My opinion is that Rays won’t nearly be as good as they were last year.

                • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

                  I think Manny and Damon will offset the lost of Crawford offensively.

                  Purely offensively, they might. But they won’t equal his WAR because UZR has a stat crush on Crawford and neither of those guys can play defense.

                  I don’t think Garza is a real loss, actually, not with Hellickson and some likely bounceback from Shields. I do think their bullpen being gutted, and Crawford, are.

                  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

                    They have a ready replacement for Crawford in Jennings, who should if nothing else replicate his defense and maybe OBP. The bullpen is a concern (Kyle Farnsworth is their Closer) but they should be able to piece something together there. Might take them a month or two, but they’ll figure something out. They have so much pitching in their system they had Matt Moore buried in High A last year, when almost any other organization in baseball would have promoted him to AA/AAA.

                    I don’t think the Rays are a 96 win team anymore, but if 88-90 puts you in the WC mix, then I think they’re in.

                  • pete

                    sick confusing yet correct grammar on that last sentence there. props

                • MannyGee

                  I actually think Manny and Damon will replace Pena’s offensive productivity…

                  remember we have not seen ANYTHING from the corpse of Manny in over 2 years, and Damon is in obvious decline…

                  they signed 2 DHs to replace the best player in franchise history. think about that the next time you bitch about Cashman…. dicks

            • NJ Andy

              Crawford?

              • The Real JobaWockeeZ

                Yeah I fucked up.

          • CS Yankee

            Take their 2nd best hitter and trump them with Manny & Damon.

            I like garza but in Hellickson they have the #1 rated prospect starting this year, plus they got a couple lefties that can get there this year.

            I would say that they have improve quite well with the bat, are even in the arms and way behind in the pen.

            • ZZ

              Damon and Manny combined for less than 4 WAR last year. Crawford was at close to 7.

              • ZZ

                While I know that includes defense as well, it is still part of the equation about how much better/worse they got.

              • CS Yankee

                Also thought you meant Pena.

                CC has a decent prospect and Damon to make up a bit of his career year. Manny is better than any DH they have ever employed.

                The pen is their ?-mark

    • Accent Shallow

      Honestly, even if they had signed Lee, the rotation would have been shaky. All the non-CC starters have significant questions.

      Hughes — anywhere from a 95 ERA+ to a 130 wouldn’t surprise me.
      Burnett — yeesh
      Nova — I don’t think he can consistently go more than 5 IP
      Mitre — that great half season in Florida isn’t happening again

      I suppose the best thing is that there’s a lot of 6th starter types in the minors, both in the form of Colon-types and Noesi&c, but still. Not much on the front end.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Yeah, the guys who the Yanks have to choose from this year (Colon, Mitre, Phelps, Noesi, Garcia, Nova, Brackman) are all back of the rotation types for 2011, with the only possible exception being Brackman. But he’d have to have a dominating season in AAA to make me think he can do it here. I know his peripherals improved dramatically last year and he has front-line stuff, but I’m still not convinced he’s put it all together yet.

        • Accent Shallow

          FWIW, here’s SG’s way too early projections.

          More a conversation starter than an ender at this point.

        • CMP

          I think for the Yankees to legitimately compete for a WS, they have to acquire a legit #2 or 3 starter and I think if one is even available in June/July, the cost in prospects may be too great.

    • CMP

      Yeah some of the optimism of the readers on this site I believe is unfounded, mainly with the starting rotation, especially with Burnett and Freddy Garcia. I mean Garcia couldn’t even get a major league contract and before last years’ 150 innings, he pitched less than 100 innings total from 2007-2009 but he’s gonna give us all these quality starts if you listen to some people.

      • nsalem

        Don’t listen to people. Look it up for yourself. 18 quality starts for Garcia. That’s 3 more than any Yankee starter last year. A team that won 95 games and came within two games of going to the World Series.

        • CMP

          Our problems are solved. Who needs Cliff Lee when you have the carcass of what used to be Freddy Garcia and his 85 MPH fastball. Cashman must be a magician after getting him to sign a minor league deal when the other 29 teams were in hot pursuit.

    • nsalem

      The Yankee’s may or may not win this year but they should compete. If they need to make a mid season acquisition they certainly have the chips to do so. If they have 6 or 7 starters
      in the minor leagues that are projected to be viable major league
      starters July would be a great time to cash in some of those chips for an upgrade. Trading a couple of them won’t wreck the system
      and sooner or later you will have to unless you foresee a seven man rotation for the Yankees in 2013. To say something like”the worst thing the Yankee brass could do is try to compete this year” is sheer lunacy and void of any common sense. Over 25% of this team is composed of sure Hall of Famers or borderline Hall of Famers and you are suggesting that we don’t bother competing. A-Rod and Tex are capable of great seasons and Jeter is only a year removed from a great season so please don’t tell me it’s a given he’s in decline. To have a 180 million payroll and just write this off as a bridge year in hope of a bunch prospects coming through in 2012 and 2013 is pure stupidity. You have an agenda to argue with anyone that suggests that this may be a great team. Knock yourself out!!!

  • mbonzo

    So I mentioned this yesterday but everyone went to sleep already. I think the Yankees should invite Delgado to camp. I think his bat would be perfect in Yankee stadium, he’s used to NY, and no one has inquired about him yet so an invite to spring training with the Yanks would be pretty nice for a guy at the end of his career looking to win a WS (his only ring is from 1993 and he didn’t even play).

    • Xstar7

      I’m pretty sure Delgado signed a minor league deal with Boston a little while back.

      • mbonzo

        For 2010, he was granted free agency in the offseason.

        • Xstar7

          You’re right. Whoops

  • Gonzo

    I am reading over some of the Granderson thread! YeeHaw!!!

    I don’t mean to stir up a hornet’s nest, but….

    One thing I would like to point out. Keep in mind, I am not an advocate of keeping AJax, IPK, or Coke. However, people mentioned AJax’s BABIP a bunch, but the same people never mentioned that Coke had a very high BABIP against in 2010 compared to his short MLB career and minor league career.

    • Gonzo

      Gosh darn. Lefties BABIP’d .377 off of Coke alst year! WELL above his career and minor league average.

    • mbonzo

      Coke’s FIP was 3.23 and xFIP was 4.58. From 2009 to 2010 his HR/9 went from 1.50 to 0.28. While 1.50 is extremely high for him, and 0.28 is extremely low, it just tells me that he stopped giving up so many homeruns, but instead gave up a lot of linedrives in Comerica. Something drastically changed for his pitching besides being in a new ballpark. His homerun rate should increase next year, and who knows if he can stop giving up line drives with the Tigers now.

      • Gonzo

        His LD% was up from 19.5% to 21.5%, so yeah he gave up more, but not enough to compensate for a ~.100 point jump in BABIP to lefties.

        • mbonzo

          I assumed his LB% would be higher. It might have had something to do with changing him from a lefty specialist to an all around reliever. He decreased his fast ball rate by 10% and increased his changeup by that much, probably to compensate for pitching to righties. His lack of dominating with a fastball to lefties might have made him a contact pitcher. I’d expect him to have less hits against him next year, but more homeruns. He’ll be a shitty starter.

          • Gonzo

            I have no faith in him as a starter, but if you include the minors, his 2009 HR/FB was the major anomoly, not 2010.

            • Gonzo

              anomaly*

            • It’sATarp

              his 2010 rate is still the lowest for him. I don’t think him move up a level would actually lower his hr rates unless he actually is TEH BESTEST PITCHA EVA like some people make him out to be.

              • Gonzo

                Sure, but tripling? I am sure his HR/FB rate is not as good as 2010, but I don’t think everyone can say it’s as bad as 2009.

                • It’sATarp

                  no way, but his flyball tendencies are a concern especially if you count ballpark factors had he remained on the team.

                  • Gonzo

                    Totally, I just don’t think people can crap on Coke. I think he would have a HR/FB more in line with Joba.

                    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                      It’s not about crapping on Coke, he was a completely replaceable part. In fact, he’s already been replaced by Logan.

                      If people want to bitch about the trade, fine, but Coke is the last guy worth complaining about.

                    • Gonzo

                      That’s my point. Leave Coke out of it. Charlie Sheen would disaprove.

    • Esteban

      I just yearn for the day when people will accept that the trade happened and the mere mention of Granderson is not a good pretext for analyzing the trade.

      /hornetsnest
      /thingsescalatedquickly.

      • Gonzo

        So, you are never going to mention the Swisher trade again?
        ‘Cause, I mention that sh*t to friends all the ph*cking time!

        • Esteban

          Yea, but bringing up Swisher doesn’t cause a debate on the wisdom of that trade. It’s accepted that it was good and if it’s mentioned, everybody moves on from the trade to whatever we’re actually talking about with Swisher.

      • nsalem

        Agreed. I am rooting so hard for Granderson to have a great season and hopefully that will shut those people up permanently.
        I wish the best for IPK Jax and Coke, but I’m sick of people talking about how sorely missed they are. They are all major league talents but they were all easily replaceable.

        • MannyGee

          as long as Coke is starting games and aJax is sporting a .396 BABIP, they will never shut up

      • It’sATarp

        It’s a amazing how much people hate a guy who was the fifth best player on the team last year…and that was a month + off from injury and a horrendous slow start. It’s even more amazing everyone assumes the guys we traded can somehow replicate the seasons they had last year with other teams WITH the Yankees. In fact statistically speaking i would bet against it when taking into account ballpark factors, strength of competition and everything else considered.

        • nsalem

          What bothers me about it is it that people started judging the trade two weeks into the season and got louder as Granderson slumped and then got hurt. Then when he started
          playing well the same people were labeling it as an anomaly.
          It’s like people are rooting against him to prove how smart they are.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            I’m quite sure a lot of people would rather be right than have things go right for the team. Some people were outright giddy when AJ sucked this year.

  • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

    Beating a dead horse here, but AAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHH, the new Gawker/Deadspin/etc. redesign is SO. AWFUL.

    • Esteban

      I’m pretty sure they did that to get more page views on every post. So far the easiest way to use them, I’ve found, is use the left and right arrows on the keyboard, thereby making you view every post from the day.

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        Yeah I know why they did it. I don’t think they will necessarily accomplish that though. A new user will come, see the one main story, and if they’re not interested, leave. Before they had the popular stories up top, which, in my opinion, is better to draw readers.

        I’m not an expert, I just think if a) you have to explain how to use it and b) practically everyone is complaining about it, you’ve done something wrong.

    • mbonzo

      I don’t know why websites make these huge changes in design when they’re so successful. Look at Digg. Almost half of their community left for reddit when they changed designs.
      http://www.google.com/trends?q.....038;sort=0

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        I mean I understand doing a redesign, especially when ad revenue is behind it, but they rolled it out on some of their sites last week and got horrible feedback. Then they rolled it out on the main site today without fixing all the bugs. How do you roll out a redesign on a site that big without making sure everything works properly?

    • It’sATarp

      try /classic t the end of the URL. Hope it helps

      • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

        Yeah I’ve been using that format. It’s a little better, but I still don’t like it.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    http://www.amazon.com/Derek-Je.....0810996561

    Oh, this should be scintillating. Lets write a book of press clippings about a guy who never says anything to the media.

  • Delaware – Ralph

    I don’t think this was posted but congrats to Scott Brosius. He was chosen today to manage the Under-18 team with Brian McRae as an assistant coach.

    The under-18 team will play in a Pan American tournament at Colombia starting in late September.

    Scott Brosius was always one of my favorite of mine so I’m glad to hear him staying involved in baseball.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/.....id=6099009

    • mbonzo

      I’m sure he could get a job managing a minor or even major league team in the future. This seems like he’s aiming low, but perhaps he just likes the gig.

  • It’sATarp

    Hughes having an effective change-up makes me giddy instead. I don’t know why but i feel like many of the elite pitcher int his league have an outstanding change up to compliment their fastball. So i decided to look at Fangraph’s pitch value…these pitchers all had their change up as their highest/second highest value pitch:
    Cliff Lee
    Felix Herandez
    Justin Verlander
    Fransico Liarno
    Tim Lincecum
    Jon Lester
    Roy Oswalt (sort of..his CB and CH are tied)
    Ubaldo Jiminez

    So out of the top 15 pithers in fWAR last year 7 or 8 of them had the change up as their best pitcher or second best pitch…REally Glad hughes is working on the pitch.

    • Dream of Electric Sheeps

      You forgot D.Mos. His fastball is an outstanding change up in the making.

      • It’sATarp

        don’t you mean javy? Fun facts:
        last year CC’s avg Change up velocity was only 2 mph slower than Javy’s fastball.
        AJ’s Change up was his best pitch last year and was just as fast as Javy’s average Fastball velocity
        Hughes’ curveball was his worst pitch last year and it was as fast as Javy’s fastball.

        • Gonzo

          I don’t know about you, but Javy’s fastball was really fast. It just picked up all its velocity after it was hit.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

    In fantasy, the first pitcher I’m taking after Halladay is gone is Clayton Kershaw. Kid’s a pimp.

    • mbonzo

      I’ve never done fantasy so I’m gonna need advice from you guys this year. I’m planning on taking Hanley or Tulo first round because the SS market is pretty crappy. Then I’ll aim for another top 3rd or 2nd baseman Cano or Longoria or Arod. I figure pitchers should be taken after the good infielders are gone, so I’ll probably try to go after Matt Cain type guys. Any advice?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Hanley and Tulo will be top five picks, Cano top 12. Go after NL pitchers in big parks, preferably the West.

        • Dream of Electric Sheeps

          I think Chris Young (if healthy finally) will have a very good numbers in Citi. How that translate into fantasy I dunno. Just a tangential thought.

          • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

            Fantasy for pitching is usually strikeouts and ERA in most leagues. Some leagues have WHIP and other stats in place of ERA.

        • mbonzo

          I like Gallardo, Niese, Bumgarner, and Clayton Richard as breakout guys this year. They seem to be high BABIP guys with good projection and play in big ballparks.

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

            I think Gallardo’s already broken out quite a bit, he just gets no attention compared to the other aces in the NL and his own now-crowded rotation.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        Unless you’re lucky enough to score the first pick in your draft, you’re going to be looking at A-Gon/Tex types for 1B. 2B is a pretty deep position as far as I know, so you shouldn’t have trouble getting someone capable at the position.

        SS/3B are pretty weak depth wise, but you should score some high AVG or RBI guys from those spots. C is only five guys (Posada, McCann, Posey, V-Mart, Mauer) and then slop. OF is usually deep so you shouldn’t have an issue in finding three capable guys. Bench is usually some second tier guys and a pitcher or two.

        • mbonzo

          I don’t plan to draft a first baseman in the first round unless Pujols is left with Hanley and Tulo off the board. Would it be smart to draft a catcher early on; would Mauer’s bat be more valuable than Teix’s considering the depth of 1B?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Yes, a top flight catcher is worth more than a top flight 1B. You can still get a solid 1B in the 5th or 6th or 7th round. If you don’t get Mauer, McCann, V-Mart, or Posey, you’re up shit’s creek at catcher.

            • mbonzo

              I assume you don’t get many defensive points in fantasy huh? My strategy this year in fantasy football was to draft the best rb’s I could get and ended up with Peterson, Foster, Forte, McCoy, Best. Might consider doing the same with a couple catchers if I don’t get a great draft pick.

            • Dream of Electric Sheeps

              see your logic. what slot does a guy like Pujols gets drafted in an average league?

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                First or second overall, no later. He’s a special case because he gives you everything. A mortal lock for .320, 30+ HR, 100+ RBI, 100+ R. If you’re in an OBP league, forget it. There’s none better.

                However, Tulo/Hanley + 5th round 1B > 5th round SS + Tex or Fielder.

              • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

                Pujols is always taken first. Other 1B are taken somewhere throughout the second to fifth rounds.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                Here’s a decent set of rankings:

                http://sports.espn.go.com/fant.....11berry200

                • mbonzo

                  You and Joe should work on one of these fantasy ranking cheat sheets for this season.

              • mbonzo

                I’m assuming guys with big names like Pujols go within the top 3.

          • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

            Mauer does have the ability to have a high average. As long as you’re cool with sacrificing power, then pass on Tex if you can get Mauer.

      • It’sATarp

        Tulo carried me to the finals last year. I tend to take SS and 3rd/2nd basemen first b/c of the lack of depth in those positions so that goes in line with your thinking. First basemen are easy to find since there’s so many (hell my friend was able to get Miguel Cabrera late). Pitching wise i survived on picking up solid guys who weren’t well known like Josh Johnson and such. Outfield is where i had the best luck when i decided to forgo the big OF names and bank on guys like Swisher, Gardner and Heyward. Luckily for me they all had breakout years.

        • mbonzo

          OF will probably the last thing I pick too. I think guys like Mike Stanton will be left on the board after pitchers are picked. Also, I promise I will not pick Bautista or AJax.

  • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

    SJK: Where would Rafael DePaula have ranked in the Yankees system if he was signed by the time the BA Prospect Handbook was finished?

    JM: That was a bone of contention late in the book. Ben Badler handles international stuff for us and is EXTREMELY high on DePaula. He would have been in the 15-20 range for me. It’s such a deep system in pitching. I probably would have slotted him in, if I recall my order correctly, behind Phelps (lower ceiling than DePaula, but obviously much closer to majors) and D.J. Mitchell, who’s a reliever in New York, but could be a back-of-the-rotation type elsewhere.

    http://nomaas.org/2011/02/inte.....hn-manuel/

    Wow, Badler loves DePaula.

    • Gonzo

      I like Badler. He was quick to point out DePaula when a Yankee fan complained about the lack of IFA signings. He said it with good measure too! Can’t wait to see what the kid can do.

      • http://www.theyankeeu.com/author/steve-s/ Nostra-Artist

        Just finished the NoMaas piece. I’m looking forward to seeing what Anthony Gumbs and Mason Williams do in SI. Slade as well in A-ball. Some really high ceiling prospects to get excited about.

        • mbonzo

          I’m really excited about Sanchez. A great season from him could put him in Mike Trout territory.

          • Dream of Electric Sheeps

            I am curious to see/read what Harper’s territory will be…

            • mbonzo

              I am too, don’t get the feeling that he’ll adapt easily to the minors and I appear to be in the minority. Not trying to take anything away from the guy, but he’s been incredibly hype and he’s untested.

              • Dream of Electric Sheeps

                I am a sucker for power hitter. He has more than that according to ppl who knows better than me. I also get a kick out of seeing videos of his titanic blasts in game or in batting practice.

  • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com/ bexarama

    QQ:

    http://rangersblog.dallasnews......isled.html

    “I want to be traded because I’ve been misled and manipulated, and I’m sick of it,” Young added.

    However, he declined to reveal details of how he was misled or manipulated.

    “That would be unproductive for everybody, particularly my teammates and coaches,” he said. “I know the truth and Jon Daniels knows the truth and I will sleep well.”

    • mbonzo

      It sounds like the Rangers front office has been either violent or apathetic to Mr. Young.

    • Xstar7

      Young should stop being a crybaby and just accept his new role. He’s not capable of playing the field effectively anymore and Adrian Beltre is. Besides, being a DH is at least better than being a bench player.

    • mbonzo

      Actually… I just came up with a crazy trade scenario. Michael Young and money gets traded to the Mets for Krod.

  • dkidd in alienating los angeles

    anyone watch the mlb network show on the 1995 yanks-mariners game 5? david cone threw more than 130 pitches FOURTEEN times that year!

    • Dream of Electric Sheeps

      First playoff exp as a Yankees fan back then… I rem watching the game 5 at 2 in the morning. Black Jack giving up the double to Martinez seem almost inevitable… was quite heartbroken for awhile.

    • Xstar7

      Pitch counts are overrated. Nolan Ryan once threw 259 pitches in a complete game 12 inning victory over the Kansas City Royals in 1974. And it completely ruined his career because he had to retire 19 years later.

      • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

        You don’t know the difference between the norm and an exception, do you?

        • Xstar7

          If the norm is to have such binding pitch counts that are strangling pitchers abilities to throw more than yes.

          • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

            It’s about protecting the pitcher’s arm. They can blow out their elbow or shoulder on any pitch. Not everyone was born with a rubber arm like Nolan Ryan was, so to use him as an example against pitch counts is pretty dumb IMO.

            • Xstar7

              There is always the chance that a pitcher will throw out his arm during a pitch. Even if it’s their first pitch of the game. And Nolan Ryan wasn’t born with a rubber arm. He worked hard to get where he was. And there were no pitch counts when Ryan was developing into the great player he would end up being. Pitch counts do nothing more than restrain players. If they regularly accounted more pitches they could do it without as much risk because their body will have become accustomed to it.

              • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                Nolan Ryan is the exception that proves the rule. There are a ton of pitchers from his era and before that had careers ending in their late 20’s and early 30’s, very likely because they were not handled in a way to save their arms.

                • Xstar7

                  Not handled in the right way is one thing. But not being able to build up one’s arm to pitch more than 100 pitches per game is another.

                  • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

                    So Nolan Ryan was handled correctly, but Frank Tanana, Fernando Valenzuela, Larry Dierker, Sam McDowell and countless others weren’t? Do you really think that Ryan was treated any differently than any of these guys? He’s a freak. He’s an exception. Do I think 100 is the perfect pitch count amount? No. Some guys could likely easily go 140 per start, some guys probably 80. It’s not worth pushing a guy to 140 to see if he can handle it though. It’s better to pull him at 115 than break him at 140. Could Rich Harden, if treated differently throw 130 pitches a game?

                    • Esteban

                      Heh, but Rich Harden couldn’t handle 100 pitches a game. His arm just wasn’t cut out to stay healthy through a MLB season

                    • Xstar7

                      Nolan Ryan wasn’t exactly handled correctly nor did I say he was. Ryan’s road to the Major Leagues was a very tough one actually. But that’s besides the point that pitch counts limit pitchers from being able to have longer outings. If Rich Harden had not had the “benefit” of pitch counts during his early days he could have theoretically slowly built up his arm to be able to throw 140 pitches in a game. Whether or not this can shorten a players career is debateable and involves other factors coming into play.

                • Esteban

                  While I mostly agree with the wisdom of pitch counts, has anybody seen any research into injury rates for pitchers over the years? Have reduced workloads actually led to less injuries?

              • http://twitter.com/Carlosological Carlosologist

                Ryan played 27 seasons with little to no injury over that span. That is insane. No one gave a damn about pitch counts in that time. The game has changed so that teams have to protect their young arms with pitch counts. The chances of finding an available, reliable arm on the free agent or trade market is very slim nowadays. The longer a team can protect a young pitcher, the better.

                • Xstar7

                  Tell that to the Mets when they were developing Ryan. They abused him then traded him to the Angels because he wasn’t pitching to his potential yet.

  • Xstar7

    Cleveland Cavaliers just lost their 25th consecutive game setting a new NBA record

    • mbonzo

      Curse of LeBronbino?

      • Dream of Electric Sheeps

        it’s Le Bronbino.

  • Yankeefan91 Arod Fan

    Michael Young willing to accept a trade to the Yankees but there is no room for him here.

    • Esteban

      How many teams have room for that contract?

      Beside, I don’t believe he has a ring!?

    • Xstar7

      Michael Young will get a trade to the Orioles done. The Orioles are running a special on old former elite sluggers right now.