Apr
19

A-Rod ‘begged’ Yankees to sign Melky this winter

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Via Jon Heyman, Alex Rodriguez “begged” the Yankees to sign Melky Cabrera this past offseason after the two trained together in Miami over the winter. For what it’s worth, Melky showed up to Royals’ camp legitimately in the best shape of his life this spring, but it hasn’t helped him with his play. After signing for $1.25M, the Melkman is hitting just .274/.280/.397 in 75 plate appearances this season, which is worse than what he did with Atlanta last year in terms of OBP, but better in terms of SLG. Either way, it still stinks.

I assume that if the Yankees had listened to A-Rod, Melky would have filled the Andruw Jones role of lefty mashing fourth outfielder. The problem with that is that Cabrera is a .274/.330/.390 career hitter against southpaws, his weaker side. Hey, Melky was a fun and energetic guy with a knack for big hits, but Alex should really stick to hitting baseballs.

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  1. Mike HC says:

    So much comedy, intentional and unintentional, in this small post I can’t even get started.

  2. Seany Mac says:

    Heyman likes to embellish. Perhaps A-Rod just said that Melky was looking good and maybe they should take a look a him.

  3. Kelsey says:

    I’ve said the best thing to happen to Robinson Cano was trading Melky Cabrera. I’d like it to stay that way. Love Melky’s energy, too, but the Yankees don’t need him.

    • I’ve said the best thing to happen to Robinson Cano was trading Melky Cabrera.

      http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/correlation.png

    • I hate this narrative so much. What about ’06, ’07, and ’09? Cano had good/great years in those seasons while playing with Melky, didn’t he? And isn’t the logic just a bit backwards? Can’t we also assume that a player seeing his best friend traded would have negative effects? Robinson Cano’s success has/had nothing to do with Melky Cabrera’s presence on or absence from the New York Yankees.

      • But they’re both Dominicans, Matt. Don’t you see? It makes so much sense. Dominicans are lazy, if you have more than one of them on the same team their laziness compounds each other.

        It’s like taking alcohol and prescription medication together. 1+1=4.

        • murakami says:

          This would be funny if it didn’t actually reflect the ethnocentric bias of people who think they are perfectly free from racial bias.

          • That’s what always went through my mind while watching the Glenn Beck show.

            • JMK says:

              Fox did a real disservice to the amateur ethnographer community by taking Beck off the air.

              • bakekrukow412 says:

                You’re all paranoid. Your belief that everyone is secretly racist is what spreads and propagates racism in the first place. Stop trying to analyze everything someone says and you’ll find yourself enjoying life more. Saying Melky Cabrera is lazy has nothing to do with race, it has to do with truth: he is, in fact, lazy. I sense no racism in that statement.

            • Tom Zig says:

              One thing is for certain, there is no possible way you sat through a Glenn Beck show. I think it’d be more likely that you sit down and have a rational baseball debate with Gordon Edes and CHB.

            • Pat D says:

              One of these days I’ll find the person at my job who keeps turning on Fox News in the cafeteria.

              Just so I can yell at them since the remote control is broken and it’s a real pain in the ass for me to have to switch it back to ESPN.

              • MannyGeee says:

                I HATE THAT DICK!!!!!!

              • RuleoftheBone86 says:

                this from the guy who enjoys Bill Maher. Damn, why couldn’t that irritating person just turned on your channel to reflect your politics.

                Hey, pat, there is a reason Fox is number 1 by a wide margin and sorry, it is not some paranoid hateful conspiracy. Nope, it really is the most fair and accurate source in this current political climate. Well, for any moderate, conservative American. Not really fit for bigoted Progressives, like yourself.

                Oh, why couldn’t that person just filpped on to msnbc, pbs, npr, or some other fair and balanced news source.

            • RuleoftheBone86 says:

              You’re pathetic.

              You have never ever hated, ridiculed or satired any hateful left-wing nut. Still, have not seen any sort or hilarity from the witty TSJC.

              Perhaps, just maybe… you’re a leftwing jerk who actually believes Bill Mahar hate, trusts Jon Stewart as authentic news and for some reason doesn’t find any of the dripping hate from MSNBC, multiple leftwing websites or this corrupt adminstration.

              But hey why waste my time on the endless fodder and idiocy from the Obama adminstration and his endless number of palace guards who humilate themselves daily to defend him , when I can just rip on Glenn Beck.

              Hey, have you really ever had an open mind to any of his opinions? Seriously, have you? Or did you just get lazy and let Jon Stewart or the Huffington Post or some other Soros website do your thinking for you.

              Its sad to think but could you actually disprove a man whose been right on so many arguments he’s made. But no either you just call him a nut, racist because you can’t defeat his opinions with disproving fact based opinions. No that’s too hard, so let me just deride this decent good man with hate and slander.

              You know tsjc, cowards like you feel real big deriding folks like Glenn but let me dare ask, what does the superior, non-evil, tsjc watch to get your news? A lame comedian posing as a newsman (Stewart, Mahar), some blatantly left-wing website like Huffington, some George Soros funded site, or dare I dream… MSNBC ;-)

              Wouldn’t be too surprised because most of the most petulant, vile Glenn Beck haters, like yourself, are those who feverently watch biased, hateful rants of obvious left-wing personalities. I can see it now, the astute tsjc appaluding like the lemming you are towards a witty, and absolutely factual remark, Stewart joke saying, “Yeah, that Beck is one evil nut. You go Daily Show”.

              So, sad. Everytime I come here someone can openly diss conservative stalwarts who are beloved not only for opinions but for their bravery. For I know you refuse to acknowledge, the majority of Beck’s pleas are not some simple right wing talking points. The man has help invigorate miilions of Americans, like myself, not with politics but with genuine frienship through Faith, Hope and Charity.

              Sure he goes after your Progressive idols. But really do you have a problem with him going after self avowed or proven socialist radicals? And these left wingers he goe after, most have a violent criminal pasts and have a major hand in shaping our country’s future with a radical lens that the vast majority of Americans don’t want.

              I wonder for someone who slams him as racist. Did you ever see all his Black American Friday specials. If you knew about all that glorious history before Glenn I like to know how. This man is no racist, clown or liar. He is a friend asking boldly the questions that too many have been afraid to ask. The guy gets so much traction because he often has exposed the truth with the mainstream media caught off guard.

              And if you were celbrating his shifting role at Fox as some ort of victory, well I didn’t know you were in favor censorship. You see, because unlike, various left-wing shows that are canceled because no one watches such innane drivel like Air-America, or anything MSNBC; if Glenn’s show was taken off it was due to the unending pressure from left wing groups protests. Whatever happened to changing the channel or ignoring it? Hmm, Proggressives sure do like censoring free speech when it suits them.

              Still, thankfully, Glenn was not fired but freely decided to remove the daily show at five for routine specials and documantaries. See, Glenn has the third highest rated radio show, a thriving news website THe Blaze, and millions of Insider subscribers. Not exactly like you defeated him in anyway.

              In conclusion, I hate to do these rants but as I have said countless times- Why does RAB allow such hate filled political shots to go unchallenged. Glenn has more fans than nearly any left wing personality. Still, call him a racist and not a peep from the adminstrators. Pathetic job, gentlemen.

    • steve (different one) says:

      It’s so funny how these memes become “fact” after enough time passes. Melky was on the 2009 yankees. Cano was great in 2009. He got even better in 2010, his age 27 season, a typical age for an offensive peak.

      Also, I thought it was the loss of Larry Bowa that killed Cano in 2008?

      It’s hard to keep track…

      • murakami says:

        But don’t you see? They’re both true. Bowa was a “real” ballplayer (replace euphemism at your own risk) who helped the instinctive but brainless Cano “think” better.

        Melky is the “lazy, joyriding Mexican” (I know he’s Dominican) who corrupted his latino buddy who lacks the cajones to resist the hedonism the former would lead him to.

        See how it all works out?

  4. Matt :: Sec110 says:

    He was teh starting CF on a Yankee World Series team…he’ll always have that.

    • murakami says:

      Umm, he had a hand in actually getting them there, hitting .391 in the ALCS and driving in four runs.

      Yankee Stadium is actually a place where he has some slug, too, although don’t be surprised if he has a lot of doubles in that KC park.

    • Poopy Pants says:

      Please stop making good points, this thread is solely for bashing Melky.
      If he were still on the Yanks, people would be called a asshole for bashing him.
      “SSS!?!?!!”

  5. Poopy Pants says:

    I’m glad they learned their lesson after Jeter asked them to sign AJ.

  6. carson says:

    Be careful what you say about .274/280/.397. A few starters in the current Yankee line-up would trade for that in a NY minute right now.

  7. bakekrukow412 says:

    http://www.blinkx.com/watch-vi.....XDhPN2YlAQ

    ‘Nuff said. Melky was garbage, and having him gone made Cano an MVP. Don’t need him.

      • bakekrukow412 says:

        It’s not so much skills as it is work ethic. It’s no secret that Cano and Melky would spend alot of time out at night. Maybe too much time. All I keep hearing now is that Cano has become so mature, and how he has become a leader. I just find it odd that all of this started AFTER Melky was traded.

        • murakami says:

          Props, then, to Melky for causing Cano to hit .342 in 2006.

        • It’s no secret that Cano and Melky would spend alot of time out at night. Maybe too much time.

          It’s no secret that plenty of white baseball players also spend a lot of time out at night, and the press/blogosphere seldom uses that fact to smear the character of those players and imply that spending time out at night means they’re not professional athletes who care deeply about baseball and are dedicated to improving themselves and mastering their craft.

          All I keep hearing now is that Cano has become so mature, and how he has become a leader.

          Two things that most ballplayers, irrespective of their ethnicity/nationality, tend to become as they progress through their natural learning/development/maturity curve as young adults and two things that probably have little to do with having other players on the team be a “bad influence” on them like the false Melky/Cano narrative would purport.

          I just find it odd that all of this started AFTER Melky was traded.

          I don’t find it odd that the sports media establishment would instantly latch on to this idea and repeat it ad nauseam to the point that it almost becomes settled gospel, because they’re generally intellectually lazy and confuse correlation and causation, are prone to ethnocentric bias, and love all-encompassing, boversimplifying narrative over dispassionate historical realism.

          • Mike HC says:

            Ferrel: “Uhh … what happened? I blacked out.”

            Piven: “Well, that was interesting, and ahh, your rebuttal, Mr. Carville”

            Carville: “We, uh, have no response, that was perfect.”

            Ferrell: “That’s the way you do it, that’s the way you debate.”

          • murakami says:

            Yes. Guys who smile too much are also not to be trusted. They must grimace and exhibit proper suffering.

          • bakekrukow412 says:

            You are one paranoid individual. You think that because I say Melky Cabrera made Robinson Cano lazy, that I am being racist? Do yourself a favor: get a psychiatric evaluation.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              The point really isn’t that you’re racist, it’s that you’re jumping to a baseless conclusion about something you have little knowledge of. You can suggest that there’s a chance Melky “made Cano lazy”, but you can’t state that it’s a fact. It’s not.

            • Jim S says:

              He didn’t say YOU were racist. He said you were latching on to a narrative that was created by people who, intentionally or not, attribute certain qualities to different races of people instinctively.

              You didn’t exactly respond to any of his points. Resorting to personal attacks is a good way to concede an argument.

              • bakekrukow412 says:

                I’m saying the fact that he thinks people are attaching stigmas to Melky and Cano simply because they are Dominican is ridiculous. I really belive that part of the reason Brian Cashman traded Melky, aside from thinking he was getting a solid starting pitcher (fail), was that having him around could only hold Robinson Cano back. Do I have definite proof of this? No. But I certainly think that it’s a possibility. I attribute their behavior off the field as examples. The video link I posted is all you need to know about what Melky and Cano were doing off the field. I’m sure all athletes do this, but when it begins to effect your performance, then we have a problem. I don’t think it’s coincidence that 2008 was the year they both sucked at the same time. I also don’t think it’s coincidence that after Melky goes Cano turns into an MVP and leads the team in WAR. When Cashman traded Melky, you think he was thinking “I have to get rid of Melky because he is Dominican and they are lazy”? I’m sure if Melky and Cano were white boys from Alabama and they were goofing off people would want Melky out. This has nothing to do with race.

                • Pat D says:

                  Except it often does. I’ve read tons of articles over time, sadly none of which I could find to link to, where the author says things that could be considered “latent racism.” I’m sure the person writing is not racist, but they write in such a way, usually comparing a white player to a non-white player, that implies the white player is better for no discernible reason.

                  I have found this happened most often with discussions of Pedroia vs. Cano. Obviously Cano had such a bad 2008 and Pedroia was the MVP, and so the popular narrative was that Pedroia was “gritty,” a “gamer” who always gave maximum effort and would never let down his team. Meanwhile, Cano was “lazy” and didn’t have “fire” or “passion.”

                  That story didn’t change much in 2009 even though Cano had a better year. Then last year as Cano had an MVP-type season and Pedroia was hurt, suddenly people said Cano was probably better.

                  Again, the words I put in quotes are probably not 100% accurate, as it’s just what I remember and I know my memory can be wrong. But this is the way things have happened.

                • Ted Nelson says:

                  I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest that it might have to do with race anymore than that Melky “made Cano lazy.”

                  Do you think Cashman said “Melky is a bad influence in Robbie, I need to trade him” or “Melky is a mediocre ballplayer with no spot on the team, I’ll trade him in a package for a guy who was a Cy Young candidate last season?”

                  And any video is proof of nothing. Could have been an isolated incident and he could still party just as hard with other teammates or friends who don’t happen to be MLB players. One example proves nothing.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            I agree that jumping to this conclusion is incorrect, but I would also be careful taking it to the opposite extreme and suggesting that it can’t be correct. Or suggesting that it’s a clear case of racism.

            • bakekrukow412 says:

              He is wrong. Case closed. I say I think Melky Cabrera had a negative influence on Robinson Cano’s baseball playing, and I am accused of having racist beliefs? That is inexcusable.

              • Fine, let’s take their identities out of it. Tell me, what kind of seasons did Cano have in ’06, ’07, and ’09 when Melky was on the team with him? And couldn’t we, as I said before, flip this logic? Couldn’t we just as easily conclude that Cano’s supposed best friend being traded would have a NEGATIVE impact on his play?

                • bakekrukow412 says:

                  But it didn’t. The year Melky was traded he turned into an MVP candidate. Not sure I’m following your argument.

                  • My point is that saying Melky being traded helped Cano goes against basic logic, no? If you and your best friend worked together, then he or she suddenly got transferred someplace else, wouldn’t that bum you out and possibly negatively affect your performance? That’s definitely in the realm of possibility.

                    As for the other parts…if Cabrera brought Cano down SO MUCH in 2008, how was Cano able to have awesome seasons in 2006, 2007, and 2009 when Melky was on the Yankees?

                    • bakekrukow412 says:

                      It could negatively affect your performance, but at the same time, Cano had been on the team for several years, had won a championship, and chemistry was good. He may not have needed Melky’s friendship as much as he did when he first came up. Maybe trading Melky in 2007 would have hurt Cano, but by now I’d say he didn’t need him anymore.

                      As far as the other good seasons Cano had with Melky, I think it is certainly possible that as he got more money and fame, it went to his head, and in 2008 he began fooling around more than he had previously. Same goes for Melky. The more comfortable they got, the more they goofed off.

                      This is all speculation, but it is possible.

                    • Cano had been on the team for several years, had won a championship, and chemistry was good.

                      Not sure what you’re getting at here. Both debuted in 2005 and were regulars in 2006. They spent the same amount of time w/the team.

                      He may not have needed Melky’s friendship as much as he did when he first came up. Maybe trading Melky in 2007 would have hurt Cano, but by now I’d say he didn’t need him anymore.

                      Maybe, just maybe, Cano didn’t “need” Melky’s friendship at all when it came to baseball. Seems like Cano was having his cake and eating it, too–playing a game he was good at while having a good friend as a teammate.

                      As far as the other good seasons Cano had with Melky, I think it is certainly possible that as he got more money and fame, it went to his head, and in 2008 he began fooling around more than he had previously.

                      Or, he just had a down year, as guys in their mid-20′s tend to do. It’s also worth noting that Cano had an .815 OPS in the second half of 2008 and it was the slow start that really sunk him. Also, wasn’t Bobby Abreu a part of all of this supposed fun having? Why don’t people say he was holding Cano back? Because it’s a BS storyline/narrative that has very little backing. Sure, it’s possible that they got a little too chummy, but there are legit baseball reasons for Cano’s 2008 struggles and evidence that having Melky on the team did not hurt Cano’s performance at all.

                • Ted Nelson says:

                  I agree with the first point totally. In terms of the second point about flipping it, though, both the empirical evidence and the MSM theory contradict that. He did have a better season. And the theory thrown out there is that it’s because Cano and Melky partied all the time and after Melky left Cano stopped. Even there I have a problem with not assigning Cano’s own actions as his own responsibilities. However, if you had real proof that he was partying a lot and stopped partying… I can at least accept it as a theory. (I’m a lot less productive at work after a long night or hungover… so it’s possible. Some other guys are more like David Wells, maybe, where drinking doesn’t hurt their performance… but I can accept as a theory that Cano is in my group and not Wells’.) I can’t accept stating it as fact, of course.

              • Ted Nelson says:

                It’s not really about racism and he was accusing the MSM of racism anyway not you individually. It’s about jumping to conclusions with no basis or proof. Positing that correlation = causation.

                I do think the racism stuff was overboard and unnecessary to prove his point. It’s one example, no need to refer to overriding social tendencies. It’s as bad as arguing that correlation = causation to argue that one example proves a general trend.

                But I wouldn’t get so offended about the racism thing… Everyone has some racial biases, it’s human nature. That someone’s race might have colored your judgement of them based on society’s perception of them isn’t really an insult. It’s a matter of degree. Buying into one narrative with racist undertones (even if it were true, not that I think it necessarily is) makes you human. Doing it all the time would make you a racist.

                It’s actually a lot more likely that the person who says “I never have any racist thoughts” is a racist than the person who says “I have some racial biases, but work hard to overcome them.” The former obviously doesn’t think of them self as a racist, but they probably have subconscious racial biases. They’re not even willing to acknowledge them, let alone work at them. The other person sees them and tries to overcome them.
                Not trying to say that you or anyone is a racist or that your view on Melky and Cano was necessarily colored by race, just that it’s human nature to form racial biases. If it does happen to someone once, that doesn’t make them a racist.

                • Mike HC says:

                  So, what racial biases are you trying to overcome?

                  • Ted Nelson says:

                    I can’t think of any overriding ones where I consider all people of a certain race to be a certain way (at which point I guess you’re probably bordering on just plain racism… sometimes maliciously and sometimes just because of ignorance… growing up in the NY area I probably had exposure to more diverse people than some other people in other parts of the world, and I think it’s too rational to just assume all people of one race are a certain way anyway). Perhaps an initial reaction to a person… initial judgement. Which also includes other factors besides race, of course. Just basic social stereotypes ingrained in US society, of which race is a factor.

                    Really the point was just about one instance of racial bias not being the same thing as being a racist. There’s such a stigma about racism in our society (and rightly so to a large degree) that it’s taken to almost an irrational point, IMO, of ignoring reality and human nature. Not only do we tend to group things, but we also make mistakes.

                    Saying that anyone who calls a Domincan lazy is racist is taking it too far, IMO. There are lazy Dominicans, just like there are lazy people of all backgrounds. Heck, I’d probably even go so far as to say that more humans than not are lazy, myself included.

                    • murakami says:

                      I agree that people sometimes hold views that are unconsciously due to racial or ethnocentric bias and have no conscious idea that this motivates their opinions.

                      They feel ambushed when called out, because they can’t fathom being a bigot. While I sympathize, I also feel that strenuous objections sometimes indicate they ARE conscious of it on some level, and are angry they haven’t veiled it well enough.

                      In both cases, it’s unfortunate. I also believe that some people just assume if something is repeated and “real baseball people” have said it, it is objectively true, so they assume the opinion of someone who may in fact have an agenda the person who accepts the derived opinion doesn’t.

                      In any case, your post attempts to create understanding rather than divide, and that’s welcome, IMO.

                    • Mike HC says:

                      “It’s actually a lot more likely that the person who says “I never have any racist thoughts” is a racist than the person who says “I have some racial biases, but work hard to overcome them.””

                      So, the exception here is, unless you grow up in the New York area. Then you probably haven’t have any racial thoughts?

                      haha

                      I’m just having some fun with you. I don’t take this stuff too seriously. Tommie called me a racist awhile back for implying Adrian Beltre goes on off steroids, and I used the term “work ethic,” tongue in cheek, to describe when a player goes on roids (good work ethic) and off roids (bad work ethic). He took that to mean I was racist. I said guys like Josh Hamilton, Brady Anderson, also fall into this category, and the conversation was dropped and moved on.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      I thought Josh Hamilton was the MVP?

  8. vinny-b says:

    Melky = no talent

    and doesnt even have a a baseball player physique.

  9. Will says:

    Melky will always have Marey Carey.

  10. bexy on another computer says:

    I realize it’s probably embellished/exaggerated, but this is a very funny mental image.

  11. Jorge says:

    I have an irrational love for Melky Cabrera. I’d take him back, even if the 25th man spot was taken by the team mascot.

    • MannyGeee says:

      I’d take him back, even if the 25th man spot was taken by the team mascot.

      Frankie Cervelli takes exception….

    • murakami says:

      Irrational?

      He’s a switch hitter with a good arm who covered Yankee Stadium’s cavernous CF admirably.

      And he can actually hit the ball out of the infield, unlike a certain current lovetoy, Ichiro-Rickey-betterthanCarl Crawford somebody.

      • Mister Delaware says:

        I think I’ll take the 25 points of OBP plus much better range over the arm and fact that Melky doesn’t make all his outs from one side of the plate.

        • murakami says:

          Good for you. Just so long as you don’t rely on that “range” to help him get a jump on balls hit over his head that will actually lead to outs.

          And while I’m at it, so long as you don’t mind guys taking second and going first to third on his arm when he’s in center.

          Oh, wait. The Yankees already know he’s a liability there. That’s why Granderson is the CF.

          • Mister Delaware says:

            That sounds very anecdotal given that Gardner has had plus to very plus range every season of his (short) career. Unless, while sucking at balls over his head like you say, he’s beyond super-elite at balls in front of him and to the sides. At which point we get back to sentence one, he’s had plus range every year of his career.

            • murakami says:

              It’s not anecdotal. It’s just an example most remember because it was a big game.

              He routinely has trouble with balls hit over his head in center field. He also is not good AT ALL at closing on the ball when trying to run the ball down behind him. He actually DOES resemble Rickey Henderson in that respect – bad as closing on the ball as both pull up and slow down as they get to a point where they should be gearing UP to close.

              These aren’t hard to witness after repeated viewing of his work in center field. Anyone denying this either hasn’t been to games enough or is just following the party line on him. He is good coast to coast because he has exceptional speed and he is an asset in left, running the ball down in left center.

              Playing center is not a strength though, because plus speed gets cancelled out on late jumps, bad routes and lack of closing skills. The ball drops far away from him often due to that bad jump/route/closing ability, but it relegated to having been “uncatchable” by people who can’t read the trajectory of a jump and the end result. They ASSUME because he has plus plus speed that it “must” have been uncatchable.

              • It'sATarp says:

                See this is where i would use stats to prove you wrong but i don’t think you’ll listen

                • murakami says:

                  You’re right to quit before you start.

                  Any metric that has Gutierrez ranked 15th in the outfield and BJ Upton 32nd is not going to impress me as a reliable defensive metric.

                  Even i the 3-year sample the creators suggest are subject to the whims of the pencil scribbling fanboys who are stationed in these parks to inform and arm us with the “science of defense,” which doesn’t even give OFers credit for diminished field dimensions (see Carl Crawford at Trop).

                  I’ll rely on my OWN eyes over theirs, thanks.

                  • It'sATarp says:

                    except you can’t watch every play and analyze every player. But okay keep thinking that you can. And yes they do take into account ball park factors…but hey i’m sure your eyes can measure out everything too right?

                    • murakami says:

                      Yeah, and who determines which parks are fielding friendly or unfriendly? How about wind currents? The sun? Does this get factored in as well?

                      Do these omniscient fanboys charting this BS have an actual identity? Do they have a degree in OF defense that is expressed uniformly, that they can speak for all of us silly people who actually believe we can go witness a large sample size and make intelligent conclusions all by our ‘lil selves?? What about their own rooting bias? Is that guaranteed to not be in the mix, even if unconsciously so?

                      Are they immune to the “bias” that one’s own eyes bring to the table? Aren’t they using their eyes to make the little entry into their charts to begin with?

                      Do they adjust their little checks and balances to the elements? To the positioning of Ofers by the manager? To what type of pitch is thrown?? How do we know they even would recognize a change in positioning, or know a curveball from a fastball?

                      Who decides what factors impact whether a ball is catchable or not? Is the difficulty of the play considered? And doesn’t that rely on the person who is judging and grading it? And which system are you using? There’s no uniform system, is there?

                      If you want to buy into a metric whose derivatives are shaky at best, have at.

                      But you’re gonna “prove” me wrong with this stuff? You’re going to throw at me data jotted down by humans who are, at the end of the day, left to interpret whatever methodology has been put into place, and then tell me I can’t trust my own eyes?

                      I’m a Yankee season ticket holder and attend most home games for the last 10 years.

                      You?

                      I also saw Brett in the minors a good deal.

                      You?

                      I have a good grasp of what he excels at and what he doesn’t, but feel free to disagree by actually refuting the points I raise.

                      I also see the opponent that comes into the Stadium and have for the last 10 years, so yes I’m familiar enough with both Gutierrez and Upton to intuitively get that any system that ranks them that low is flawed or offers random variant “truths” at best.

                      What I really think is, you cannot say ANYTHING about this guy without people going bananas. Anyone who attempts to analyze his skill set gets trounced on by VERY emotional people who brandish a pseudo-science as their “evidence” and try to demean anyone who dares to offer first-hand knowledge of the player.

                      It’s clear, actually, that the emotionalism and subjectivism is on the side of the so-called science-based people.

                      What are y’all so afraid of?

                    • Mister Delaware says:

                      /unsubscribe

  12. Stan the Man says:

    Why bother even writing this article? First off your reporting on a Jon Heyman article, Jon Heyman is terrible and if your reading his articles than your literally not trying to uncover news but just re-writing slop. Second it’s 75 AB’s and I don’t care how irrelevant a player might be 75 AB’s is a puny sample size and not worth mentioning. Lastly, your comparing Melkly to Andruw Jones and Jones was a great player about 10 yrs ago so again why bother comparing two crap players who will play in a little less 70 games for a team that rarely if ever uses its bench at all??

    • whozat says:

      And then forcing you to read it! What nerve!

    • Mike HC says:

      Did you click on the right site? How do you not see why Mike would make a post about this?

    • Why bother even writing this article?

      Because since the “story” has “broken”, it’s already in the public consciousness, and some commenters undoubtedly would have brought it up at some point, so there’s no harm in writing up a quick post about it to get it in the RAB record and provide those commenters with a forum to speak their mind.

      TL:DR version:
      Because they can.

    • Tampa Yankee says:

      Why did you even bother reading the article in the first place and then comment about it if you were not interested?

      I’m sure this was posted as an amusing little tidbit about a current Yankee commenting about a former Yankee that was very polarizing on this blog.

      Take it easy Francis…

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Why bother even writing this article?

      Because it’s my site and I get to write about whatever I want. I laughed at the idea of bringing back Melky on Alex’s recommendation, so I felt like posting it.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      “Jones was a great player about 10 yrs ago”

      And a good hitter just last season… His .364 wOBA in 2010 was right in line with his prime seasons. His defense has fallen off, but his offense might not have fallen off much.

      Why bother writing a comment where you ignore reality?

  13. steve s says:

    Sorry Arod. I’m sure Mickey wanted Billy Martin back after George Weiss got rid of him but that never happened either. Perhaps Arod could have offered to pay Melky’s salary which maybe could have sealed the deal!

    • the Other Steve S. says:

      I was thinking that same thing. Hell, A-Rod could start his own team with his salary. Make Melky the cleanup hitter. And no, I’m not a racist anti-Dominican, I just thought Melky stunk and I was glad to see him go.

  14. Nothing but the truth says:

    The Melk Man won many a game for us, particularly in the championship season of 2009, when he was “the pie man.” I think the Yanks short changed Melky, he deserved better.

  15. infernoscurse says:

    Melky cabrera sucks! just compare those stats how they are dwarffed by elite left field superstars like say:

    brett gardner 5 runs , 6 hits, 1double, 1 triple, 0 hr, 2 rbis, 3 sB, 2 CS 4BB, .140 BA, .213 OBP, .209 slg, .422OPS

    Melky cabrera 10runs, 20 hits, 4doubles, 1 triple, 1 HR, 8rbis, 1sb 0CS, .274BA, .280OBP, .397SLG, .677 OPS

    clearly Arod doesnt know what hes talking about cause we clearly see how brett gardner is just superior in everything on such small samples

    in the words of Arod to bluejay shortstops everywhere

    HA!

    • Dick Whitman says:

      lolcats

    • bonestock94 says:

      Because making assessments off of 14 games is intelligent. If you look at something that actually matters, like the career line, you’ll see that Gardner has been better in every way than Melky so far.

      • bonestock94 says:

        Edit: You’re being sarcastic, I fail

      • murakami says:

        He runs awful routes in CF, and his total fuckup of Ibanez’s hit over his head in 2009 WS exposed him as not only not elite in CF, but flawed. Why do you think Granderson is there instead? He could never play the shallow CF Granderson excels at, yet his groupies cry and moan that he’s actually the “better” CF of the two. Meanwhile, they’re missing a sensational start of the year from Granderson out there through their tears.

        He can’t hit the fucking baseball yet and he’s 27 years old. That’s why we have to endure endless permutations of getting his swing “just right.”

        He’s good defensively in left and has speed when he gets on base, but I’m not sure he’s going to walk all that much going forward with his passivity. His challenged offense can only be tolerated because the current CF can hit 30 HRs, but he’d better start bunting and going the other way more if he intends to hang in there.

        Gardner has got to be the most over rated Yankee by fans in recent memory.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          “his total fuckup of Ibanez’s hit over his head in 2009 WS exposed him as not only not elite in CF, but flawed.”

          One play doesn’t prove anything…

          • murakami says:

            It’s not one play, it’s that the one play is representative of a flaw I have seen over and over again, and it’s one that people recall because of the high stakes.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              Everyone has areas in which they can improve, but yet Gardner consistently grades out as and is considered an above average defender. That you think he might not be great in CF, does not mean that he can’t play the position. As you say, OF defense involved multiple skills… yet you keep harping on one claim.

              • murakami says:

                Sure he can improve, but I can’t call him above average because he gives away too much. I’m not harping on one claim. He doesn’t get good reads, turns the wrong way often, runs bad routes and doesn’t close well.

                That’s more than one issue. For instance, not everyone gets off the ball quick. Some guys who get a bad initial read can compensate, like Mickey Rivers did for instance, and adjust and then make a line for the ball and catch it. That’s the route part of it.

                He’s good in LF where his speed and limited arm play much better. But there’s no way this guy could run with the top CFers in the game.

        • bexy on another computer says:

          his total fuckup of Ibanez’s hit over his head in 2009 WS exposed him as not only not elite in CF, but flawed.

          I see your tiny sample size and I raise you both that catch he made against the Blue Jays in that one agonizing game last year where it was 1-0 before Joba blew the save, and a catch he made for CC in a start in 2009 which I think was against the Rays in Septemberish. Boom!

          • murakami says:

            Even Mark Newman has admitted he doesn’t get great jumps. The issues are clear to anyone who knows that outfield defense has more involved than just speed.

            If you have none, you can’t play center field. But it’s a little more involved than that, and I have given very specific details of where he falls short.

          • MannyGeee says:

            I am all in with robbing Manny of the home run…

            atta girl Bexy. you just quadrupled his sample size!

        • bonestock94 says:

          He’s better than Melky, that was my only point. If you don’t agree with that you’re a jackass.

    • murakami says:

      Question: what do you think of Robinson Cano?

      Be honest.

      • Mister Delaware says:

        Mine would be: Great on both sides of the ball, would be super elite with some more walks, should someday pair with Erick Aybar to create the prettiest DP duo in MLB history.

        • murakami says:

          SOrry, that was a setup question for a certain poster I recognize who spent two years crying that Cano would never have the grit, smarts or hitting talent that Dusty Pedroia does.

          But no matter, he knows who he is.

    • It'sATarp says:

      small sample size much? and i’m certain Arod will continue to hit .400 over the year and tulo will hit 75 hrs

  16. zs190 says:

    Did Melky hire Boras as his agent?

  17. DI says:

    Well I’m glad that A-Rod isn’t our GM lol

  18. Gonzo says:

    When A-Rod and Jeter buy the Marlins that team is going to be funny.

  19. murakami says:

    Alex is one of the smartest baseball minds among active players.

    He’s a virtual encyclopedia on opposing pitchers, as Mattingly observed when he was bench coach. He even has an interest in, and showed a surprisingly nuanced knowledge of, some of the better prospects in the Yankee system.

    I think Alex would make a swell GM.

    • Mike HC says:

      He wanted Melky back on the team first and foremost because he is a friend, and secondly because he really believed he was going to have an excellent season, which he still might end up having. I don’t think ARod’s ability to be a GM should be analyzed based on him wanting Melky back, whether good or bad.

      • murakami says:

        It’s the reverse: Alex has enough credit with me in terms of his baseball knowledge to allow me to speculate that he had a good baseball related reason for believing in Cabrera.

        • Mike HC says:

          I agree with you there. I think he truly believed Melky would be a good addition. But there are plenty of free agents every year who get in great shape and all that stuff, that ARod has no concern for. He wanted Melky because they are friends and apparently now, workout buddies. That is pretty obvious.

          • murakami says:

            By the same token, spending time with Cabrera, as opposed to any with the plenty of free agents, could mean Alex has gathered insight into how he would be affected as a player. He may offer a LESS superficial judgment of him than of a guy who merely is in one in great shape.

            Alex has pretty high standards. I doubt he would compromise them just to reel in his buddy. Any how, appreciate the discussion.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              It’s not that he’s compromising his standards… he probably really believed/s in Melky.

              What I take Mike HC to mean, though, (and I agree) is that A-Rod didn’t work out with every FA OF in the offseason. A whole lot of them probably looked good running, lifting, doing drills, and taking BP. What separates a AAAA player and a stud MLB player in that setting is often pretty marginal. Alex’s got a subjective micro-view, whereas a scout or GM *tries* to take an objective macro-view. Cashman and co. may have well said “yes, Alex, Melky is a fine baseball player… it’s just that we have considered every FA and in-hose option and Brett Gardner and Andruw Jones are better in our opinion.”

              And no matter how much respect you have for Alex, it’s hard to say how a guy will do as a GM until he tries. Especially a natural like Alex for whom the game came through nothing but work: he worked and he excelled. It’s easy for naturals like that to assume the hardest workers will excel based on their own experience and undervalue the impact their own natural talents had on their success. Yes, Alex is successful because he busts his butt. However, he’s also successful because he is an insanely talented baseball player. Melky Cabrera is just not… and that’s not something you can find out just lifting, running, fielding, and taking BP with a guy. Hitting real pitching is just not the same as hitting BP.

              Until A-Rod has some track record of evaluating talent, I’m not going to assume he’s good at it any more than I will that he’s bad at it. Especially when we haven’t even heard A-Rod’s scouting report of Melky from his own mouth. “Begging” may just mean that someone called him, and A-Rod gave a positive report of how hard Melky was working and his personality. He might not even have wanted Melky over Gardner or Jones.

        • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

          I remember one of the zillions of articles parsing, or attempting to parse, the ARod/Jeter rift and its aftermath. One of the anecdotes was how Alex visited Jeter and couldn’t believe that Jeter didn’t have whatever baseball game(s) scheduled that day on TV (I guess it was an off day for the Yanks).

          ARod talked about how he has games on all the time. I got the picture of the centwar in a room surrounding by 20 85″ plasmas showing every game 24×7. Warmed the heart.

  20. murakami says:

    Just for the record, George Brett, who knows a little about hitting, remarked that he was surprised by Cabrera’s genuine bat speed.

    While that doesn’t guarantee that Melky will put it altogether this year or for that matter, any year, it may suggest that perhaps the people who biliously screech that he has “no talent” might have none themselves for recognizing that thing called talent.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      That Melky has good bat speed doesn’t mean that he’s a good MLB player. Lots of MiLB players who never sniff the bigs have good bat speed. It’s an oversimplification to look at one thing and say a guy will be good. People who say Melky has no talent are either irrational and not worth paying attention to, or more likely referring to it in the context of MLB players… in which case his overall talent is well below average. Around replacement level really. If the average D-League player comes to your local Y or playground… he’ll school people. In NBA terms, though, it would be fair enough to say he has “no talent.” Melky is probably more like a top D-League player… but still.

      • murakami says:

        Melky has hitting talent. His problem is he lacks plate discipline. That’s of course a problem for him. In many ways, he’s the reverse of Gardner, who has plate discipline, but isn’t a natural hitter.

        I also have no idea what your point was about Alex, but that’s fine. I wish Melky success in KC, where his doubles total should be high.

  21. Poopy Pants says:

    Also, maybe Alex suggested this during the ‘trade Brett Gardner for a SP period’, if that period actually existed.

  22. Mike says:

    Who needs Melky when we have Gardner mashing the ball….o wait.

  23. Mike says:

    Looks like Alex was right.

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