Open Thread: Derek Jeter, lefty


It’s no secret that Derek Jeter has gotten off to a rotten start this season, hitting a woeful .219/.282/.234 (that’s a .234 wOBA for those of you scoring at home) with a 72.9% ground ball rate that makes last year’s 65.7% ground ball rate blush. In an effort to improve his performance, Jeter has taken a drastic step and will now hit left-handed. At least that’s what I inferred from this Madame Tussaud’s ad roaming around the NYC subway system. It’s hard out here for a shortstop, the Cap’n’s gotta do what the Cap’n’s gotta do.

Anyway, here is your open thread on this Yankees’ baseball-less evening. The Mets are (still) playing the Astros, and there’s a ton of NHL and NBA playoff action on. So talk about whatever you want, go nuts.

Thanks to Dan for the photo.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Plank says:

    Has anyone seen the Red Sox enough to see Youkilis’ defense at third?

    Is he holding up, or does he look like someone who hasn’t played there in 5 years? I’m really hoping they have to get a real third baseman and they get a serious logjam at 1B/DH.

  2. JerseyDutch says:

    The funny part is that Jeter sometimes looks like a wax statue when playing shortstop.

    • Rookie says:

      Maybe he’s practicing for the last two or three years of his contract when, after he gets his 3,000th hit, somebody has the balls to remove him from shortstop and his feather weight hitting doesn’t justify any other spot in the lineup, so the Yankees just play with eight position players (and $23.8 million per year less in their pockets) and have him stand out in Monument Park.

      I think he has a much better chance of earning his contract that way. By the way, there might be more than a grain of truth there. When I looked last night, as I recall, FanGraphs estimates that he’s had a NEGATIVE value so far this year. It’s hard to believe that Nunez would have been any worse.

      I’m just glad that the Yankees didn’t insult him with a $10 million per year contract for “only” two years.

    • Rookie says:

      By the way, I’m sure it didn’t negatively impact the Yankees vis a vis the Rangers when we signed the wax statue that is Jeter for three years (plus) at $17 million per year and they signed Beltre for $16 million a year for five years.

  3. mbonzo says:

    Random question of the night:
    Will the MLB draft ever be a snake draft? It just seems ridiculous that the best teams get to pick last simply because of their record. Just because a team is good in 2011, doesn’t mean they won’t need young players in 2015. These teams will start to rely on free agents if they can’t get good enough picks, and thats when payrolls get out of control for markets. (See Cardinals, Twins, even the Yankees, Mets, and Red Sox) These teams’ payrolls are all products of free agents signings, and limiting them in a draft will make payrolls sky rocket like they have the last 10 years.

    Winning team–>increased revenue–>worse drafted prospects–>more free agent signings

    A snake draft will allow the worst teams to get the top tier players and the better teams to get quantity over quality in terms of draft positions. Also, compensation picks are out of control, but thats another discussion.

    • Sheepmeister says:

      It would only work after the first 7 or so rounds but at that point, you can get some decent players, but the ones that are drafted are the ones that fell due to money where the big market teams can pay them anyway who would fall anyway. I just don’t see it happening, b/c by the time the snake draft would take effect (round 8 or later), its a total crapshoot anyway.

    • Plank says:

      I wish the draft were gone entirely. The purpose of the draft is to keep money out of young people’s hands. Either sign with this one team, or go wash cars. They set up the draft to try to get parity in the league, but that is a byproduct of the owner’s tightfistedness, not the purpose of the draft.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Call me crazy but I think the point of the draft was to get future talent.

        • Gonzo says:

          I am pretty sure the draft was initiated as a way of lowering young players negotiationg leverage. It was a way for the owners to lower costs of getting talent.

          It’s easier to pay below market if the player can’t negotiate with anyone else.

        • JohnnyC says:

          Plank is right. The draft was instituted in 1965 for 2 reasons: to stop the Yankees and to control bonus demands from amateur players. Without a draft, hypothetically, the Yankees could have signed both Strasburg and Bryce Harper for $100 million each.

  4. I think that there might be something to Jeter batting lefty. Granderson’s splits improved greatly when he stopped switch hitting and stuck strictly to the left side.

    • Jerome S. says:

      I’m assuming this isn’t serious?

      • Tom Zig says:

        you don’t remember the commenter who insisted on Granderson being a switch hitter?

        • Tank the Frank says:

          This site should have a link to the list of memes formulated here throughout the years. That way a new commenter can get the lay of the land, or a regular can catch up after coming back from a hiatus or something.

        • radnom says:

          It was one guy in one thread who I wouldn’t be surprised if he was just fucking with you people.

          And yet its still being talked about 8 months later………I’m sure a lot of people don’t remember

  5. Honey Badger says:

    I don’t give a sh*t yo.

  6. JohnnyC says:

    Extra wild-card round of playoffs in 2012. Good, bad, or indifferent?

    • Tank the Frank says:

      I don’t like it. But I guess it ensures that the Yankees WILL make the playoffs, Every. Single. Year. For the rest of eternity.

    • JerseyDutch says:


    • Gonzo says:

      Good for baseball, bad for the Yanks.

    • mbonzo says:

      Bad. Too much time between playoff games as it is.

      Fix the leagues instead. IMO, there should be no divisions anymore, and all teams within a league should play each other an equal amount of times. This removes the division biases that exist, makes it a level playing field. Obviously the games would have to be scheduled more delicately when dealing with about 6-7 more cross-country games, but I don’t see that as a big deal. It would also prevent teams from beating up each other constantly within a league, and think about how much more a Yankees-Red Sox game would mean if it were only 11-12 games a year. Also, no more interleague games.

      The teams with the 4 best records should then enter the post season as normal. I know a lot of people will disagree with me.

      • JohnnyC says:

        Selig said today they have to work out the details but shortening the regular season would have to be an issue they have to confront.

      • JerseyDutch says:

        I think that would be a good way to do it. I could certainly do without interleague play.

      • YankeesJunkie says:

        I agree with the format except on the point of getting rid of interleague play. Divide the leagues into 15 teams each and have interleague play throughout the year even though for a single team will only represent 12-15 games. It is only 10% of the season which is important, but most for most of the teams the teams overall performance evens out.

        • CS Yankee says:

          love interleague…chance to see the studs from the other side. Should be 24 interleague games, 69 divison games & 69 league games.

          2 dozen & great position(s) twice…FTW

    • DCBX says:

      Bad. Playoffs = October. The season is already about as long as it should ever be… no more playing outdoors in November.

      • whozat says:

        I agree that’s an issue, but the thing that concerns me more is that a long layoff in baseball is actually bad. All the non-wildcard teams have to have their hitters sit around for four days before playing? Every starter is going on 8 days rest? All your relievers start the series rusty? That already happens between rounds the way they do it now, and it seems like this might actually just make it more likely that better teams lose out to lesser teams on a hot stretch.

    • Pasqua says:

      Good because it will (theoretically) increase the value of winning the division. The two wildcards in each league will play each other (short series, presumably) and have to work harder in order to get to the divisional round. That should be the idea of a wildcard, in my opinion. Right now, they’re essentially just a 4th division winner.

    • Pat D says:

      Only two ways this works for me.

      1) The two wild card teams play a best of 3 series. That way a 93 win team isn’t penalized for losing one game to an 87 win team, for example.

      2) Have a one game playoff between the two wild card teams. BUT…the only way this can happen is if you eliminate the divisions and play some kind of balanced schedule. That way there’s more equality when comparing teams’ records.

      If you’re not going to handle option 2, then you have to go with option 1.

  7. Tank the Frank says:

    I see Taylor Swift there… and is that some distorted version of Leonardo DiCaprio next to her? I don’t recognize the other chick.

  8. Monteroisdinero says:

    Let’s try Gardy from the right side while we’re at it. BTW, Swish’s splits ain’t too great as he is battling Gardy for left sided ineptness.

    • CS Yankee says:

      Hey, I wanted Jesus left in SWB until at least June 1.

      However, if he continues this crazy run i’m thinking he has to get a call-up earlier, doesn’t he?

      Martin is & needs to be the catcher…Jorge has Arod, Teix, Chavez & Jones in his shadow already. Too bad Jesus can’t be the DH for Grit or Jete.

  9. dkidd says:

    yesterday was don mattingly’s 50th birthday. i celebrated (4/20) in his honor

    doesn’t it feel like he should be older than that? 1995 seems like a century ago

  10. jorge brosada says:

    Since its looking more likely that Liriano will be on the trading block this summer, I have a question. What would you give up for him prospects wise if he’s having a decent year but not as good as last year and has been healthy so far?

    • CS Yankee says:

      Nova, Millwood, Silva, Liard AND a bag of balls.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      If Liriano is throwing about a 3.5 xFIP he should garner some fairly decent prospects, but not elite ones. While Liriano has shown that he has ace stuff, he has not shown to be a work horse quite yet, but more importantly it would only be a 1.5 year rental. I would try to offer David Adams/Eduardo Nunez, Hector Noesi/Adam Warren/David Phelps, and Jose Ramirez/young prospect. Depending on the third prospect I would be willing to throw in Brackman as a pitcher and maybe Romine as a position player, but it would most likely be a 3-1.

      • jorge brosada says:

        yeah, if we could trade 3-4 prospects without giving up an of the B’s that would be great. I’d throw Romine into the deal if necessary and try and keep Jose Ramirez and Brett Marshall from being included.

        • YankeesJunkie says:

          The only one of the Killer B’s that I would be willing to give up would be Brackman and if that were to happen it would have to be Brackman, Adams, and Pope or something along those lines. I think for the fact that Liriano is a bit underrated because he is not a workhorse in combination with his approx. 1.5 years left on his contract does not make him deserving of a top prospect.

      • JohnnyC says:

        If Liriano continues to pitch the way he’s pitching (55 ERA+ and 1:1 BB/K ratio), I wouldn’t give the Twins more than a couple of C prospects. Hate to get fleeced for 1 and 1/2 years of damaged goods (and a year of that likely on the DL due to surgery).

        • YankeesJunkie says:

          Obviously, those were not the parameters that I stated. If he is pitching that poorly the the Yankees should and would look at other options instead.

    • S says:

      the lint from my pants pocket

  11. ultimate913 says:

    Hypothetical situation:

    You’re Cashman. Bill Smith(Twins GM) approaches you with a one for one swap. R. Martin for F. Liriano. Do you bite?

  12. bonestock94 says:

    “Owners were unanimous in their desire to achieve a worldwide amateur draft in collective bargaining.”

    -Bud Selig


    • jorge brosada says:

      what? If this is true then it is terrible news for the Yanks

      • The Big City of Dreams says:

        I guess now they have to really dig deep when it comes to scouting players. They already have low draft picks in the MLB draft and it will be the same in the international one.

    • CS Yankee says:

      So Cashman has how many days until he has to have signed every single foreign prospect 16 or older?

      Also, is there enough time for Levine to have altered 20,000 birth certificates?

    • Jerome S. says:

      I can’t believe that it was unanimous.

    • JohnnyC says:

      The major international talents would still have high bonus demands since they can choose not to sign just as the American kids can…and since they’re not enrolled in a colege program, they don’t have to wait 3 years to re-enter the draft.

      • Rookie says:

        Don’t put it past Chairman Bud to initiate a rule that creates similar limitations for international draftees — say not being able to re-enter the draft for x years. I strongly suspect that he would not want to leave open the door for players to in effect choose the Yankees or other deep pocketed teams by re-entering the draft annually until they got drafted by the team of their choice.

        • JohnnyC says:

          The NFL and NBA can place those restrictions on amateurs only because they have agreements with the NCAA. They’d have no legal ability to prevent an international draftee from simply re-entering the draft the very next year.

          • Rookie says:

            But couldn’t MLB just restrict teams from drafting them for x years? In other words, don’t they have authority over the teams even if they don’t have authority over internatinal draftees?

    • bonestock94 says:


      Here’s the article, turns out its not a direct quote but point stands.

      • Plank says:

        Yeah, it’s much different. Plus the owners want a lot of things in collective bargaining. They also want all the players to pay the team for the honor of being on the field. They want every fan to drop thousands of dollars every day to see games. They want cities to bend over backwards to bankrupt themselves to give billionaire owners a free stadium (okay, that one really happens.)

        Wanting an international draft is similar in my mind to when they wanted contraction. They just bring it up so they can take it off the table during negotiation.

    • Esteban says:

      Hopefully this won’t lead to a decline in prospects from poor countries as happened when Puerto Rico was included in the draft.

    • The Big City of Dreams says:

      SMH expanded playoffs and a worldwide draft why not just come out and say we don’t want the Yankees to have any advantage.

  13. pat says:

    I stared at that ad for at least 10 minutes on the subway the other day trying to figure out who that was. The crouch is somewhat Jeteresque, that’s about it.

  14. Epy0n says:

    If Beckett keeps pitching the way he is pitching he is going to be a pain in the ass for us this year.

  15. Gonzo says:

    Is it official yet?

    • Rookie says:

      Truth be told, isn’t almost everybody?

      As I recall, when I looked it up in FanGraphs last night, there were only three shortstops with 50 or more ABs in all of MLB with less wins/value contributed so far this year. And I don’t believe that any of them were in the first year of a contract in which they would be earning $17 million per year for the next three years. Of course, they’re not icons.

      And thank goodness, we get to see Jeter get his 3,000th hit as Yankee — glory, glory, hallelujah — and avoid the unconscionable indignity of slaving under a two-year contract at the insulting rate of $10 million a year.

      • Gonzo says:

        Sorry, I don’t mean just statistically this year. I mean everyone is better than Hughes and Gardner statistically, but I still wouldn’t consider them better.

        That is, I wouldn’t consider Yuniesky better than Jeter even though he has better #’s this year*.

        *I didn’t look up Betencourt’s #’s.

      • Guest says:

        Here’s the thing. Jeter through an honest to goodness no other way to describe it hissy fit at his press conference where he discussed the contract. There’s no other way to describe it.

        Now, if you’re going to throw a hissy fit, (fanboy alert) you couldn’t have thrown it in a classier fashion. He didn’t talk about it for weeks leading up to the conference. He didn’t throw any one person under the bus. He said that was going to be all he had to say on the matter, and he has largely stuck to his word on it (ass usual). Again, as hissy fits go, it was pretty gracefully executed.

        But, it was a hissy fit nonetheless. Why do I bring this up?

        Well, how ridiculous does that press conference look in the face of Jeter’s slow start? Admittedly, SSS warnings. But he had a pretty crappy 162 games proceeding the last crappy 16. And he is 36. And they did give him 17 MIL A YEAR for the next THREE years and a PLAYER option for the fourth year.

        Given all of this, in hindsight, Jeters anger at “the way the Yankees went about” (I’m going to say it ‘cuz its true) overpaying him EVEN more than they are overpaying A-Rod (Best Worst contract ever) seems…a bit ludicrous.

  16. V says:

    Well, it’s not just in Yankees’ games that umpires suck ass. Just watched Chris Perez walk a guy on 5 pitches. 4 were strikes.

  17. Craig says:

    Here’s an idea: if Gardner and the Rays continue to suck, would anyone here be in favor of a platoon of jones/Damon in LF?

  18. random thought: could we try to trade for matt thornton? strikeout lefty with knockout stuff who has had great results in the past, but has sucked so far this year. would they be willing to trade him?

    • Gonzo says:

      My initial reaction was no since they just gave him an extension, but then I remembered we’re talking about KW and Ozzie.

  19. jorge brosada says:

    Hopefully Lowrie doesn’t become a star, because he has been annoyingly really good so far for the Sox

  20. jorge brosada says:

    Also, Beckett needs to revert to last years form/ get injured ASAP. His current excellent pitching performance is unacceptable..

  21. A-Rod's Wingman says:

    The Angels lineup is terribad. I can’t believe there’s more Sox fans in the crowd than Angels fans.

  22. pierce ferrisse says:

    Is it true that Jeter’s bat speed is only 79 mph?

  23. Jeff Moreau says:

    I can go for extra teams in the playoffs, but are they going to be a .500 or sub .500 team?
    I keep hearing Jeter this and Jeter that, let the man play and see what happens.

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