2011 Draft: Keith Law’s Mock Draft v2.0

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Keith Law’s latest mock draft went up behind the iron curtain of Insider yesterday, and this time he has the Pirates taking UCLA RHP Gerrit Cole first overall. “The Pirates are still seriously on Danny Hultzen and Bubba Starling,” says KLaw, “and I wouldn’t rule Anthony Rendon out entirely, but my gut tells me right now they’ll find Cole’s raw stuff — he hit 101 for me on Friday night and touched 100 many times, including in the eighth inning — too good to pass up.” He had them taking Hultzen last time, and MLBTR summarized the rest of the mock nicely.

The Yankee don’t have a first round pick, but Law provides some info on which players could fall due to bonus demands, so check it out.

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  • jsbrendog

    ugh. cole. le sigh.

  • Reggie C.

    If the pirates pass on Cole after ponying it up for the high schooler Tailason, then that fan base should take their rooting interests elsewhere.

    • Ted Nelson

      A. Wouldn’t you have taken your rooting interest elsewhere a long time ago if you were a Pirates fan who cared more about rooting for a sound organization than your favorite team?

      B. Guys like Rendon and Starling are not necessarily any worse of prospects than Cole. If the Pirates take one of those guys over Cole it might have nothing to do with being cheap. They might just like him better as a prospect.

      C. Not only did they pay Taillon last year, they also paid Stetson Allie in the 2nd and Luis Heredia in IFA. They ponied up big-time last year.

  • jon

    nice job cole, way to avoid the yankees so you can sign with the pirates

    have fun with that

    • pat

      But hey, he got the College Experience™ he wanted so badly.

      • Mister Delaware

        Until we see his resume, its hard to judge here. I love NY, but I’m not about to put it up against a college in LA.

        • Clay Bellinger

          True, college life in SoCal sounds like fun. But life as a rich young man in NYC sounds a lot more fun than hanging out in Pittsburgh.

          • Mister Delaware

            Life as a destitute man living in a shelter in NY sounds a lot more fun than hanging out in Pittsburgh.

            • Ted Nelson

              Pittsburgh is kind of a cool city, actually.

              • Mister Delaware

                Abbott & Costello & Ted Nelson

                Costello: I’m asking you, who’s on first?

                Abbott: That’s the man’s name.

                Costello: That’s who’s name?

                Ted Nelson: No, what Abbott is saying is that the new 1B has the last name of Who. Its Rick Who. He’s a rookie they just called up.

                Abbott & Costello: [exit stage]

                Audience: [boos]

                • Ted Nelson

                  I disagree with your characterization of Pittsburgh. So I said as much. I did not make a cute little joke insulting you for your ignorance about the city of Pittsburgh, I just stated my opinion.

                  • Mister Delaware

                    And I mocked you for being, at seemingly all times, either humorless, standoffish or both. I think we both accomplished what we were setting out for.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Mine involved no personal insults. If you’re ok with setting out to personally insult people on an anonymous Yankees blog, that’s on you.

                    • Mister Delaware

                      You’re insulted easily. I leveraged a comment Mike HC made in another thread for a joke right around the same time and he didn’t throw a tantrum.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      I’m not throwing a tantrum. Just about every thread since you claimed to know the Pirates draft board and refused to admit you made a mistake there you’re insulted me.

                      It’s not jokes. You are constantly going away from the actual discussion at hand to insult me. Below you literally comment on run on sentences on a blog and you are the one calling me out for worrying about details too much? Fuck you. I’m done with this.

              • Clay Bellinger

                I’ve been there too and agree that it’s a pretty cool town…but NYC is about as badass as a city can be.

        • pat

          I look at it two ways. On one hand going to UCLA and being a stud athlete is pretty much a recipe for an UHmazing 3 or 4 years, especially when compared to living the minor league lifestyle in friggin Trenton NJ. On the other hand, that makes me a bit hesitant because there are kids out there that would cut off a limb if it meant they could start playing pro ball immediately after HS, especially for an organization like the Yankees. Look at a kid like Cito, granted he didn’t have nearly as much leverage as Cole, but he signed as fast as possible and hopped on a plane the day after his graduation so he could get a head start on his career. I don’t blame Cole for wanting to go to school, but at the same time it does make me pause a little bit and wonder how badly he really wants it.

          • Mister Delaware

            He traded in being a late 1st round pick into being a top 5, possibly #1 pick, and that makes you question the kid’s decision making skills? Really?

            • YankeeGrunt

              Think Mark Prior might have wished for those few years back? Just saying, an elite high school pitcher is almost certain to make the pros sooner going straight to the professional ranks, barring injury (which is probably more likely during the condensed college baseball season, when the pitcher is under the control of coaches whose priority is not his development). That’s a jumpstart on a post-arb contract, that’s more of a pitcher’s prime spent at the major league level. It’s not that cut and dry.

              • Ted Nelson

                It’s not cut and dry. There are advantages to both, but Cole made the decision he felt was best for him at the time. He knew he could sign with the Yankees. He knew in his best case development scenario he might wind up a #1 pick to a bad team like Pittsburgh. He still made the decision he made.

            • pat

              He would have been paid like a Top 5 pick by the Yankees anyway. The only difference now is that he’d be making most likely be in the rotation (or bullpen :( ) of a team going to the playoffs every year. Instead, he’s now going to pitch in obscurity for 4 or 5 years before he gets too expensive for Pittsburgh to pay in arbitration and he’s traded elsewhere. Like I said, I’m not going to bash him for it, but it just seems that if he was really serious about wanting to be a great pitcher it would have behooved him to sign out of HS.

              • pat

                Blah, that came out a little messy. Was trying to say he’d be making 300k a year and pitching for a team likely going to the playoffs.

                • Ted Nelson

                  He might actually be able to get a MLB deal out of the draft now and could get like 2x or 3x the signing bonus the Yankees offered, so there might be a real advantage financially to his decision.

                  If Pittsburgh passes, he could end up in Seattle or somewhere else with what’s considered a better run organization than Pittsburgh. Of course, Pittsburgh has a lot of young talent in the field right now and made a major commitment to young pitchers last year… so Pittsburgh could be a playoff team in a few years if they make some good decisions and have some good luck.

                  As far as great pitchers not going to college… I don’t know about that. You’re entitled to speculate, but questioning someone’s desire based on their choice to go to college is nothing more than speculation.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            Well yeah considering Cito wouldn’t get another chance in the first round again…

    • Mike HC

      I have to say, being a pitching prospect for the Yanks does not seem all that appealing if I was a highly touted prospect, especially someone of Cole’s level. Winning takes precedence over handling a prospect perfectly for the Yanks. And rightfully so.

      The Pirates will put the entire franchise on hold ensuring he becomes a star for a long time. And then leave for greener pastures in your late 20’s.

      • Ted Nelson

        I don’t think it’s at all that cut and dry.

        Bad teams that need help immediately are about as likely to rush prospects as good teams that need to win now…

        What stud pitchers has Pittsburgh been turning out recently? How has that same plan worked out for the other college arms they’ve taken in the top 3-5? Why is Cole going to get more attention than Taillon, Heredia, or Allie?

        Jesus is still in AAA working on his C skills and Manny and Dellin are still in AA, even though the Yankees could possibly be a better team today with them up in the MLB.

        • Mike HC

          You have already established that regardless of what someone says, you will not think “it’s all that cut and dry.” Just assume with every comment I make, I know you think it isn’t as “cut and dry” as I make it out to be. Some people actually like to have relatively firm opinions.

          • Mike HC

            I am obviously a huge Yankee fan, but if I were a pitching prospect, based on what I have seen, I would not want to be in the Yankees system. I would dream to play for the Yanks when I am already older and fully developed. That is all I was saying.

            • CMP

              I can buy that since it’s been aeons since they actually developed a really good one who had some longevity (Pettitte).

              • Ted Nelson

                When was the last time the Pirates developed even an above average MLB starter? How much of a player’s success do you attribute to the organization, compared to the player himself and luck?

                • CMP

                  Based on what information would you say the Pirates are more likely to screw up a young arm?

                  I’m not aware of any young arms that the Pirates screwed up by blatantly rushing or overworking them.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    Your argument I responded to was that the Yankees haven’t developed a starter since Pettitte My point was: neither have the Pirates. If that’s your argument against the Yankees, it goes just as much for Pittsburgh.

            • Ted Nelson

              I see your point, I am just pointing out that it’s a two sided coin. The Yankees don’t always rush their prospects, and poor teams like the Pirates often do rush their prospects since they have little MLB talent. The Pirates have next to zero MLB starting talent, so it’s pretty unlikely Cole is going to get much MiLB development time for them.

              I think the Yankees “inability” to develop pitching talent is overstated, especially compared to other MLB orgs… which is the only relative standard by which it makes much sense to judge them.

              As much as you might not like the way the Yankees handled Joba, Hughes, and IPK (and probably more so the results and the luck they had along the way)… they’ve all had about as much success at this stage in their careers than just about any Pittsburgh drafted pitcher has had in as long as I can remember. And Pittsburgh has taken a bunch of college arms high in the draft. What Seattle drafted pitcher (Hernandez and Pineda being IFAs) has had any sort of success recently? Morrow had to leave Seattle before getting a chance to start.

              My firm opinion is that if any amateur prospect looked at orgs as critically as some commenters here, he wouldn’t sign with just about any team.

          • Ted Nelson

            Ok, my “firm opinion” is that the Pittsburgh Pirates are no more preferable a destination for an amateur pitching prospect as the NY Yankees. Cole is, in my firm opinion, more likely to be rushed and overworked as a Pirate than a Yankee.

            • Mike HC

              So if you were Cole, and somehow had the choice between going to Pitt and NY, how would you ever be able to make a decision. Unless you would literally flip a coin to decide the rest of your life, you would have to have a preference at one point. Everything has positives and negatives, but in order to get anything done and live life, there comes a point where the positives in one choice, outweighs the negatives. And is thus a more preferable destination.

              I think the Yanks are a less preferable destination for a pitching prospect than Pitt. I would choose Pitt, which is all I was responding to by the original commenter who clearly preferred NY. And you prefer neither. Or both? I don’t know.

              • Mister Delaware

                Its not that cut and dried. How can you know whether the coin has its weight evenly distributed? And that the coin will be flipped without bias? Will someone even be there to witness the flip?

                • Ted Nelson

                  Seriously, this is getting old. You think I’m annoying, so your response is to insult me and be annoying yourself? Real mature.

                  • Mike HC

                    Your only firm opinion in this thread, is that you have no firm opinion.

                    How are you supposed to have a conversation with someone that believes nothing is true and everything is true all at the same time?

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Are you purposefully not reading my comments? I’ve given you firm opinions. Do I think it’s wise to make definitive decisions based on the incomplete information I have? No. Have I told you what I think based on the info I have? Yes.

                      I believe that in a lot of the things we discuss, the information we don’t have would drastically change our opinions. Or in a lot of cases just the information no one has brought up yet… so I bring it up. Or the possibility other information could exist.

                      How are you supposed to have a conversation with someone who knows they’re right based on incomplete information, makes a poor argument for why they’re right (Pittsburgh will put their org on hold for Cole? really?), and refuses to acknowledge why they might be wrong?

                      And what this has to do with Mr Delaware’s decision to insult me and annoy me as the best course of action to deal with his annoyance at my comments? I’m not really sure.

                    • Mister Delaware

                      “I believe that in a lot of the things we discuss, the information we don’t have would drastically change our opinions. Or in a lot of cases just the information no one has brought up yet… so I bring it up.”

                      Which is incredibly pedantic. Which is why so many people get into arguments with you. When someone says “Toronto made a mistake letting Rios go for nothing”, they aren’t saying “I’m 100% certain Toronto made a bad decision and this is based on 100% knowledge of all the variables involved”. Its an opinion, which most here find obvious, but its not phrased as such because having “in my opinion” or “I think” in every goddamn sentence gets tiring.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      No, Mister Delaware. Just no. Commenting on a trade where we know what Toronto gave up and what they got is not at all even a little bit comparable to pretending you know the inside working of an organization or the other large logical leaps I usually comment on. Saying that Pittsburgh will put their organization on hold for Cole and is better at developing young starters than the Yankees because they don’t have the pressure to win now when they haven’t developed even a solid starter in decades is a huge leap… it’s not the Rios trade.

                      I disagree with Mike HC’s take on Pittsburgh’s attractiveness for an amateur P compared to the Yankees is a lot more comparable to me disagreeing that trading Rios was a mistake because they were able to do x, y, and z with his salary than challenging the grammar of the sentence. (Not arguing that, just hypothetically.)

                    • Mister Delaware

                      And what I’m saying is the way you approached the debate with Mike HC was pedantic. Just like at the bottom where you felt the need to spell out that its more important to judge a draft several years down the road rather than that very night. We all know that. Perhaps its not your intent, but between stating the obvious and hammering away at semantics, the common variable of you being involved in all these little battles is pretty evident.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      He said that Pittsburgh is a better situation than NY. I said there are reasons to believe that NY is better, and then went on to say that given the info I have I feel NY is a better situation.

                      If that’s pedantic… than isn’t all sports blogging? What’s the point of expressing your opinion or disagreeing with anyone else’s opinion if disagreeing with the core of his point is “overly concerned with minute details or formalisms?” I disagree with his entire point. It’s not about the details. I completely disagree. Just like I completely disagreed with you that there was any way to or any reason to say Pittsburgh reached down its board to take Sanchez. I didn’t disagree about the details… I disagreed about your entire point.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      You have a convenient habit of changing the subject every time I disagree with your point and show plain and clear why I think it’s wrong… I don’t think you’ve ever once responded to such a comment.

                      In order to show why I feel someone–Mike in this case–is wrong, yes I examine the details of their argument. I disagree with his whole argument. What makes up his argument? The details. He says that the reason he believes Pittsburgh is a better situation is that Pittsburgh will “put their org on hold for Cole…” That basically is his argument. A major detail. So I disagreed. That is not pedantic.

                    • Mister Delaware

                      If have a short, direct comment or question you’d like me to respond to, I will happily oblige and will do so without a hint of sarcasm.

                    • Mister Delaware

                      And, because I obviously can’t help myself, you don’t really counter opinions with your own opinion. Its more that you counter opinions with long narratives on why either side of the subject being opined on could make sense. Mike HC firmly said he thought Pittsburgh would be a better situation for an uber pitching prospect like Cole. You hedged the Yankees a bit but then said below its really more about the pitcher than the team. So you aren’t really against Pittsburgh so much as you’re against him being for Pittsburgh because choosing Pittsburgh is choosing a team.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      I have nothing I care for you to respond to. I value your opinion like I value the shit that comes out of my ass.

                      You make points. Every time I counter your points, you refrain from actually responding. I guess it’s your way of admitting you’re wrong since you seem to be too stubborn to ever directly do so.

                    • Mister Delaware

                      Perhaps I’m just not savvy enough to find the solid counterpoints buried inside the 1,000 word posts, which is why I invited you to be short and direct if you’d like. If that’s asking too much or if there’s another poster in need of scolding for having an opinion that can’t be validated with publicly available information, I totally understand. We’ll still be buddies.

              • Ted Nelson

                I thought I was pretty clear in saying that my firm opinion is that he is more likely to be rushed and overworked in Pittsburgh that I’d take the Yankees over the Pirates if the money was the same and I were an IFA.

                Do I really have to have a 100% sure answer to a hyothetical question I will never have to snwer in my life and I do not even have all the information necessary to make a decision based on? I don’t know what changes Pittsburgh has made recently with the 201 run on amateur pitching talent they made recently… but the last time the Pirates successfully developed a real front-line starting pitcher was… I honestly have no idea.

                Your argument is that they’ll devote all their resources to Cole, or something… not really sure, but that’s not worked for Benson, Bullington, Van Benschoten, Maholm, Lincoln… Plus they have 3 other big-time young arms that need more development than Cole. How does it even start to make sense that they’ll “put their org on hold” for Cole?

                I would take the team with more success developing MLB players, more resources, and a better MLB team for the foreseeable future. Pittsburgh has been an awful organization for a long, long time. Basically since Barry Bonds left. Why would I choose them? Because they suck and will therefore appreciate me?

                • Mike HC

                  Fair enough. You prefer the Yanks. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t think that was clear before.

                  • Mike HC

                    you just commented before, “Ok, my “firm opinion” is that the Pittsburgh Pirates are no more preferable a destination for an amateur pitching prospect as the NY Yankees.”

                    How is that clearly you saying you prefer the Yanks?

                    • Ted Nelson

                      My firm opinion is that the organization they find them self in has a whole lot less to do with their ultimate level of success than the player them self. That luck also plays a much bigger role than the organization they find themselves in. When I get into any detail, however, my comments seem to go over peoples head and they either accuse me of being wishy-washy or personally insult me for not stating a simple opinion with nothing behind it or not screwing around cracking jokes on the board.

                    • Mister Delaware

                      Or for using run-on sentences.

                    • Mike HC

                      In the future, when responding to me, it would be helpful if you brought your comments down to my level. I think that would be best for both of us.

  • boogie down

    ETA for Cole in the Bronx went from, what, 2012 to 2019? Damn.

  • Mike HC

    Should Cole just get the Tommy John Surgery now to get it over with? Or maybe just skip right ahead to stem cells?

  • Fairweather Freddy

    Prediction:

    Yanks will go shortstop again in supp round, taking Sumrall MS. H.S. shortstop Connor Barron

    • Mister Delaware

      That would certainly continue their run of great names in the 1st round.

  • CMP

    For Yankee fans, this draft is like an awesome all-you-can-eat buffet but you’re on a diet and all you can do is watch everyone else chow down while munching on a celery stick.

    • Ted Nelson

      Agree it’ll be a bit frustrating at the time, but they can do plenty of damage outside the top 50. Some of the non-top 50 Yankees highlights from 2006-9: Betances, McAllister, Melancon, Robertson, Romine, Adams, CoJo, DJ Mitchell, Bryan Mitchell, David Phelps, JR Murphy, Adam Warren, Stoneburner…

      • CMP

        Yeah I’m sure they can score some talent later in the draft since they’ll pay over slot but they’re gonna miss out on most the big name high profile players that are easy to get excited over so from a fans perspective, the draft isn’t gonna be nearly as enjoyable for as it will be for say Tampa bay fans.

        They’ll also probably invest more in the international market this year too if there are players the like.

        • Ted Nelson

          I agree. I’m just more worried about how excited I am about the draft 5-10 years from now (even 2 or 3 years from now) than on draft day.

          • CMP

            As a Yankee fan I am also more concerned about the end result of the draft.

            I was just pointing out that as Yankee fan, these kinds of mock draft and draft preview articles make me feel left out since they are profiling players the Yankees don’t really have a chance to get.