Open Thread: Melky’s on his way

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It’s amazing how much better an off day feels after the Yankees win, especially a win like yesterday’s. We’re waiting for the Royals to come to town tomorrow, which will be the first time Melky Cabrera will play in the Bronx as a visiting player. Melky was a fan favorite and occasionally productive, and although I wasn’t exactly his biggest fan, I will certainly give him a round of applause*. If you’re part of a World Series Yankees team, you’re cool with me. Rock on, Melky.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. You can watch the Twins predictably lose to the Red Sox on ESPN (Blackburn vs. Beckett) or the Mets and Rockies on SNY a little later on (Capuano vs. Chacin). There’s also NHL and NBA playoff action going on as well, I’m sure of it. Talk about whatever your heart desire, so have at it.

Note: A reader by the name of Bethany emailed to let us know that her she** and her boyfriend signed up for the Runyon 5K at Yankee Stadium this summer, and they’ve placed a little wager on the results of their pledges. She’s a Yankees fan and he’s a Mets fan, and if she wins he has to run in a Yankees hat, if he wins, she has to run in a Mets hat. Simple enough. Anyway, you can help her out and pledge here.

* Assuming I was actually going to the game, of course.

** Grammar nazi’d. Refund check’s in the mail.

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  • the tenth inning stretch

    Looks like the Melkman’s got a cat’s tail hanging out of his helmet.

  • squishy jello person

    I’m headed to the game tomorrow, so I will give him applause for you.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/yankeesfansunite/apps/blog/ Matt

    Lets go Twins!!!

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    I only give money to single women. Man law.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      It’s for charity!

      • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

        I’m obvz joking, Axisa.

  • Teh Comp Pick

    I’d like to take a minute to rant about how bad espn radio is now after listening to it for about 15 earlier today. The fact that Robin Lundberg has a radio show amazes me, not only does he sound like a ninth grader but his knowledge of sports sounds like it’s not even on that level. Giving this guy a show is like saying were not going to target the adult demographic were just going after kids…. Then Mike Lupica comes on and opens with a segment on Jeter which was probably the dumbest of the many Jeter segments I’ve heard so far this season. Don LaGreca cited OPS and Lupica was like “don’t get started with the OPS” basically saying stop it now! that’s way over my head! I don’t need sports radio hosts who when on baseball talk FIP or WAR but it isn’t much to ask for a reasonably intelligent dude who if he or sher gets paid to talk about sports, can at least show up and do so like an adult.

    • http://www.freewebs.com/yankeesfansunite/apps/blog/ Matt

      and no mention of how horrible Michael Kay is? but i totally agree with your other comments.

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

        I don’t think Kay is completely horrible on the radio show, but he falls victim to the same thing he does when he calls games; he gets wrapped up in himself and his own thoughts and is completely unwilling to be swayed.

        • http://www.freewebs.com/yankeesfansunite/apps/blog/ Matt

          and that’s what i can’t stand. Also I hate how high and mighty he seems to some callers.

          • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

            Yeah, he does the whole “Oh so you’re telling me…” thing.

            • http://www.freewebs.com/yankeesfansunite/apps/blog/ Matt

              or the “How can you think that…” like other people can’t have other opinions.

              • The209

                good thing you can come here…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          The entire conversation that Kay, LaGreca, and the callers had this evening drive time about Jose Reyes and whether he was more lazy, disinterested, or just not baseball-smart was nothing but a gigantic clusterfuck of racism.

          And to top it off, they added a lovely cherry on top of a bunch of non-Latinos arguing about what was the proper way to pronounce Spanish-language names.

          :: facepalm ::

          • The209

            “a bunch of non-Latinos arguing about what was the proper way to pronounce Spanish-language names.”

            seriously, have you ever seen bunch of Latinos arguing about the proper way to prounce English-language names?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              I’m not sure where you’re going with this.

              • TheLastCLown

                I believe he was saying that, as it’s absurd for non-native speakers of a given language to discuss how to ‘properly’ pronounce native language names, it would take a certain degree of arrogance to do so, such arrogance as has not been perceived by The209 re: Latinos.

                P.S…I’m as against the ‘ism’s of hate as you are, but you really do seem to jump quickly toward preemptive squishing of anything that could develop into an ‘ism’y blob.

          • CMP

            There is clearly something missing in Reyes game as the total package has always been less than the sum of the parts so how would you explain it without sounding “racist?”

            • Kiko Jones

              Once the knee-jerk, go-to description of a player as “lazy” rears its head–which is seemingly trademarked for players of color, since rarely, if ever, is a Caucasian player labeled as such–then, game on.

    • aRX

      Honestly, I can’t stand sports radio at all. Once you know even a tiny bit about sports, to say nothing of advanced statistics, listening to them just makes you shake your head with disgust at almost every word.

      • http://www.freewebs.com/yankeesfansunite/apps/blog/ Matt

        The only way I’m partial to Francesa is that I think he does a really good job with guests that he has on his shows mostly the one’s promoting books. I think he goes indepth with the person. he does have many faults which i’m sure fellow posters will now jump in on.

        • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

          ANDY PETTITTE IS A STAHTING PITCHAH!!!!!

          • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

            This will never get old.

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

          Sometimes, Francesa is a good interviewer; but other times, he just talks…and talks…and talks…and talks…and you forget who the guest is and what his/her point actually is.

          • Craig
            • http://www.freewebs.com/yankeesfansunite/apps/blog/ Matt

              +1

            • aRX

              ROFL! On second thought, maybe I should tune in every once in a while for a good laugh.

              • Craig

                If you’re a frequent listener like me, there are plenty of times when he goes off on these tangents and you ask yourself. “Mike, what does this have to do with sports?”

                • The Big City of Dreams

                  Lol that’s true Mike gets distracted so easily. A caller can bring up cereal and he’ll spend the next 6 mins on cereals now, cereals back then, and the favorite cereals he had as a kid.

  • aRX

    Actual trade in one of my leagues:

    Pujols
    McCutchen
    Zobrist

    for

    Cano
    Lester
    Padilla

    um…guess he really desperate for offensive help o.0

    • V

      Guy who got Pujols won. Not a -totally- insane trade, but not one I’d make.

  • BigTimeBartolo

    So I’ve been playing MLB 2k10 lately and I’m doing career mode. This is the season my Center fielder just had (for the yankees of course)

    606/626/1406 with 132 HR, 62 doubles, 45 triples, 310 RBI, 241 SB, 10 CS, 25 K’s for the season

    Not ridiculous or anything…

    • vin

      What’s that WAR look like? 20? 30? How was the defense?

      • BigTimeBartolo

        haha unfortunately they don’t include the sabermetrics but I would guess like 30 or so. We went 118-44 and that was mainly because of the crappy pitching. The defense was good, I must have robbed at least 15 homeruns

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      .020 ISOd? Tsk tsk

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Matt Imbrogno

        There were times in Road to the Show in which I’d have a NEGATIVE IsoD.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Walking is impossible in these games. Then again I suck.

    • Craig

      I posted numbers similar to those in the game, and yet I didn’t win RoY….so pissed

      • aRX

        Did you at least win MVP? I’ve had seasons where they spit out some ridiculous winner that batted like .231/.302/388 11hr 61rbi

        • Craig

          nope….the award went to Brennan Bosch

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Only 45 triples?

      Bust.

    • http://www.twitter.com/jordansmed JGS

      62 doubles isn’t even a record. Your guy stinks.

    • toad

      About right for a healthy Mantle.

  • http://twitter.com/kschmidt2 Kiersten

    If you’re part of a World Series Yankees team, you’re cool with me. Rock on, Melky.

    Good to know there’s a place in your heart for Cody Ransom.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Melky looks good in Royal blue (or, Royal powder blue, perhaps).

    I love those unis.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

    Remember all the bitching and moaning and teeth gnashing and caterwauling about how unacceptable it was to get shut down by that uber-bust of a scrub of a crapwad of dikfore of a horrible pitcher Philip Humber, who (ignominy of ignominies!) was actually (gasp!) once cut by the Minnesota Twins?

    Yeah… well, apparently Philip Humber isn’t all that horrible of a starting pitcher. Who knew?

    Humber’s six starts this year (v. TB, v. LAAANAAAA, @ TB, @ NYY, v. BAL, @ SEA)
    37.1 IP (6.22 IP/S), 2.65 ERA, 25/10 K/BB, .170/.238/.289 against

    SSS, obviously, but Humber has talent (and Don Cooper looks like a great pitching coach, as evidenced by his improvements with Edwin Jackson).

    • http://twitter.com/steveh_mandaura Steve H

      I would love for Humber to continue to shine, Peavy to come back healthy and have the Sox put Floyd or Danks on the market.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        Daaaaanks. I waaaaant.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          He’d be expensive. Wasn’t he about get extended or something? Floyd is *rumored* to be the odd man out and will be less expensive if true.

          Can’t go wrong on both though. Though Floyd does seem like a Pettitte v2 with similar K and BB rates but a better GB rate.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Yeah, Danks is probably not going to be on the market at all. Floyd is only available for a king’s ransom; Danks would cost two kings, I guess.

            I love Danks and Floyd, but I’m only really expecting Jackson or (possibly) Buerhle to be up for sale. And even Buerhle might be pushing it; the Sox probably want both him and Konerko to retire in white and black.

            • JobaWockeeZ

              You think so? I expect Kenny to make Floyd expendable because of his “mediocre” ERA and his mediocre win total.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                Jackson’s still at the front of the line. Floyd still has another year under contract and an affordable option after that.

                They’ll listen on Floyd, but Kenny is in no rush to move him.

                It’s Jackson.

                • JobaWockeeZ

                  Good points but this is assuming that Williams is logical.

                  His statements on the Swisher trade recently doesn’t give him the benefit of the doubt here. For me anyways.

                  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                    Fair enough, but moving Floyd wouldn’t even really fit in with the Swisher logic.

                    Swisher was moved by Kenny because A.) Ozzie hated Swish and B.) Swish had a horrible year while having a ton of money left on his contract.

                    Kenny wrongly concluded that Swish had bottomed out into being a subpar player and thus tried to unload Swish’s contract as soon as possible.

                    It was an error in judgment about a player’s true talent level, but it made sense in terms of getting something of value for a perceived contractual albatross (and a clubhouse malcontent thanks to Guillen’s disapproval of Swish).

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            Oh I just meant in purely hypothetical best-case scenario world (though I guess there we’d have a rotation that was Felix/Halladay/CC/JJ/whoever.). Floyd is very underrated and would probably cost a lot less, you’re right.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Humber’s been really good. Edwin Jackson hasn’t been doing so hot of late.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

        That’s actually a good thing for us. Maybe the price will be a little lower for him.

        His walks are back up and he’s giving up more line drives, which is bad, but some of his H/9 spike (outside of the liners) is probably simple BABIP fluke.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          So Wordkemper for Jackson straight up. Kenny will probably do it.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            Palabrakemper’s untouchable.

            J.B. Cox. That’s my final offer.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Grow some balls Bosh. Please.

  • Rob Thomsen’s Chili Farts

    I don’t understand the wager by the runners. How will the loser run in the designated cap if they didn’t run the race yet? Is their last name McFly?

    • Rob Thomsen’s Chili Farts

      Ohhh. It’s for the pledges. Nevermind.

  • mbonzo

    My “Your trade proposal sucks” for tonight.

    Yankees Receive:
    OF Andre Ethier
    SP Hiroki Kuroda

    Dodgers Receive:
    OF Brett Gardner
    SP Andrew Brackman
    Salary relief for Andruw Jones’ $3.2m owed through 2014

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I laughed.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Pretty much. It’s Gardner straight up for Ethier and Kuroda straight up for Brackman…

        No one is gonna value Gardner on par with Ethier and Brackman is high ceiling high bust.

        Yes there’s a solid amount of salary relief but no the Dodgers still don’t do it.

        • mbonzo

          It’ll be over $40m in salary relief.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            Ah. There’s a chance if the MLB is running things but still then that’ll piss off Dodgers fans.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            For Andre Ethier, it would need to be like $80M in salary relief. Maybe more.

            The Dodgers have a money problem, but they’re not giving away Ethier to fix that money problem.

            • mbonzo

              I think you’re overestimating Ethier’s value. He’s a contact hitter with above average power, but he’s a poor fielder with no speed. His WAR has been 2.2, 1.7, 3.4, 2.7, 2.1.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                But with Loney’s regression, Ethier and Kemp are the only two position player building blocks LA has. He’s not an MVP candidate, but he’s a player they need a lot.

                Moving Ethier isn’t the way to fix the Dodgers.

                And I think you’re overestimating the Dodger money problems, as well. McCourt’s obviously broke and can’t afford this year’s 120M payroll, but the league is stepping in to keep LA afloat this year while they line up a new buyer.

                After this year, when Kuroda, Furcal, Garland, Carroll, and Barajas all walk and guys like Loney get non-tendered, the Dodgers committed payroll is only in the 45M range. There’s plenty of room to reup all the arb guys, extend Ethier, resign Broxton, and let the new owners have a manageable 70-80M payroll with a few key FA imports.

                • mbonzo

                  Dodgers will end up with around $46m coming off the books next year, but currently have a $120m payroll. That leaves them at $74m and they need to add a starting 3B, SS, C, a Closer, SP, and most of their bullpen outside of Kuo and Guerrier. They also need to give promotions to Kemp, Ethier, and Kershaw. They’ve got Gordon for SS, and it shouldn’t be a problem to to find bullpen and a SP in their farm. That still leaves them with needs at C, 3B, and Closer and a mid $80m payroll after arbitration.

                  Perhaps Brackman wouldn’t be the best piece for the Dodgers, but their farm has 2 top OF prospects in Sands and Robinson who could replace Ethier or Kemp if they’re traded. Gardner, Romine and Laird would be better fits in LA, and end up lower their payroll around $10m.

                  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                    Again, none of that equals “We should trade Andre Ethier to get some short-term salary relief.”

                    Kuroda for Gardner/Brackman/salary relief, they’d listen. Ask for Ethier, and whomever is running the franchise on that day is hanging up.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                LA’s future obligations sheet:

                https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tBbMgiEHXYczpjt0I7dajQQ&output=html

                It’s not that bad. They’ll probably try to move Kuroda like you said (but he’s good enough that he doesn’t need to be bundled in with Ethier, you can move Kuroda straight up) and see if anyone wants any of the expiring contracts for a little more relief, but they’re not going to have to have a firesale and trade valuable pieces to unload albatrosses.

                They don’t really have many albatrosses. If not for the McCourt divorce, they’d be a financially healthy franchise.

                • mbonzo

                  To summarize what I said on top. Cots says they’re only $46m obligated, but it doesn’t take into account Kemp, Ethier, Kershaw plus the promotions they’ll receive, or the options they’ll most likely accept. Thats gonna be well over $30m. Their farm has a SS to replace Furcal, is deep enough in pitching to replace Kuroda and the bullpen, and is fairly deep in the OF, but it can’t replace 3B, C, or a closer. They could very well call up Robinson to replace Kemp or Ethier to lower that payroll and get young 3B or C’s back.

                  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

                    That’s still only 80-90M.

                    Frank McCourt probably can’t afford that, but Frank McCourt probably won’t be owning the Dodgers by next year.

                    Selig’s not taking over the team and starting a firesale. Selig will move overpriced expiring contracts, but Kemp/Ethier/Billingsley/Kershaw aren’t going anywhere, they’re the core that the new owner will inherit.

                    • mbonzo

                      I agree that Kershaw is untouchable, but for a team that is so deep in pitching and OFers needs to replace a lot of their guys, they need to make a move. Lets forget Brackman and say we’re trading Romine and Laird. The Dodgers end up filling C and 3B, and getting a cheap above average OFer back for half a year of Kuroda and 1 and a half years of Ethier. At the same time they substantially lower payroll.

                      As for Kuroda for Gardner/Brackman/Relief, there is no way that happens. 4 months of a pitcher is nowhere near that, even if he ends up being a type A free agent.

        • Brooklyn Ed

          still waiting on Rasmus for Gardner.

    • Brooklyn Ed

      I counter for all of Soriano’s salary. keep brackman & gardner.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    So old George over here is an FBI agent. Kinda sorta not really.

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin.....;seid=auto

  • mbonzo

    Betances: 5.0 IP, 1 H, 4 BB, 7 SO

    WTF IS WITH THE WALKS. Other than that, holy shit he’s been incredible.

  • http://deleted Total Dominication
    • mbonzo

      Banuelos has received a lot of hype after this ST, and I think we can expect him on the top 20 overall lists next year. That said, this is a joke.

      Harper, Lawrie, Rizzo, Harvey and I’m sorry to say it, but Banuelos are up there because of hype and hot starts. Teheran shouldn’t be that high either, but he definitely deserves to be in the top 10.

    • Xstar7

      When your organization has TWO of the guys in the top 10, I wouldn’t be complaining.

    • JohnnyC

      Hey, remember, it’s Heymann.

  • Kevin G.
  • JobaWockeeZ

    PAPELBON BLOWS IT!

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Celtics about to blow it!

      • Xstar7

        At least they’re going out with a fight. This is coming from a Lakers fan.

    • jon

      why was paps in during the 7th? did he lose his role already?

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        Nah, using your best reliever (or who is supposed to be your best reliever) in a high-leverage situation is a smart idea.

        • jon

          I didnt realize what inning it was, a 4 out save is pretty normal

          • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

            Me neither @___@ Agreed.

    • mbonzo

      Whoever thought that Angel Hernandez and Joe West should be in the same umpiring group should be shot. This has been a great game to watch Twins and Red Sox fans deal with bs umpiring.

  • forensic

    I was never a big fan of Melky. The thing that really put me over the top was his constant faking of throwing the ball into the stands for the fans on the road. They paid good money to go to the game too, no matter what team they’re rooting for, so either give them the ball or do nothing. Don’t be a schmuck about it.

  • Alfredo

    how about talk about our yankees. can we please get a winning streak going so we can take some kind of momentum when the red soxs are in town, and if we have a chance to put them away we have to do it we will not get too many of these chances. OHHH AND GO HEAT!!!!!!!!!

  • http://deleted Total Dominication

    Damn, Sox win.

    • Xstar7

      “Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. You can watch the Twins predictably lose to the Red Sox on ESPN” -Mike Axisa

    • Big Apple

      not surprising…did you see that twins roster? reminds me of Major League….scene from the beginning when the asian groundskeepers are subtitled..”who the fuck are these guys??”

  • Dr. O

    YES should run ads featuring slow motion shots of Melky and quotes from him with that “I’m coming home” song in the background. Since that has officially become the most overused thing in sports this year. I swear I’ve seen like 30 different teams in all sports use it.

  • Plank

    Introducing your new 5th OF…Milton Bradley!!!

  • Across the pond

    Keith Law with the RAB reference on the baseball today podcast yesterday. Big time now!