Open Thread: Shock! Yankees players considered overrated
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Ah yes, the good ol’ Sport Illustrated MLB players poll, when players around the league annually vote the players they’re most jealous of their least favorite Yankee(s) as the most overrated player in the game. Alex Rodriguez tops the list this year, followed by Joba Chamberlain and Derek Jeter. Joba was in the top spot last year while A-Rod came in second, so those two flip flopped. Jayson Werth places fourth this year followed by Jonathan Papelbon, but Nick Swisher received the same amount of votes as those two. For all intents and purposes, the top four spots of the list were occupied by Yankees. Are they overpaid? Sure. But I think you could make a case that A-Rod and Joba are actually underrated in the public eye given how often they get trashed in the media.
Anyway, I just figured I’d throw that out there. The regular game thread will be along a little later on (game starts at 10pm ET), so use this open thread to hold you over. The Mets are again playing the Pirates (Dickey vs. McDonald), plus the Giants and Cardinals (Vogelsong vs. Carpenter) will be on ESPN. The NBA Finals start tonight as well, you can watch that on ABC at 9pm ET. Talk about whatever, go nuts.
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Joba I don’t get. He’s a freaking middle reliever (sob, sob).
THAT.IS.AWESOME.
(cue evil empire music)
Lol it’s so random!
In fact, I don’t even think he’s rated. I never really see him in the media (although I never read ESPN)
I got Joba being on the list last year. He was hyped as an ace starter and ended up as a middle reliever. The polling last year was done right around when that was announced, so it made sense.
But now? It’s old news. If anything, Joba’s reputation is as a bad, injury prone reliever. He’s reputation now is probably slightly better than Javy Vazquez’s.
Ben, which law school study aids did you find most helpful? Glannons, E and Es, Emanuels, Crunch Time, Glannons, Blonds, or Spiegels? Another publication?
Examples and Explanations are very good for getting a real insight. Glannons, keyed to your text, are good for saving time, but that short-cut comes with a price – I think your analytical skills suffer.
If Jeter and A-Rod are on that list because they’re being paid huge somes of money, then where the hell is Vernon Wells?
Oh right, I forgot. Everyone hate’s the Yankees
Hates. I hate it when people don’t use apostrophes right.
Or do you hate’ it?
Yeah… thanks.
Hur dur dur.
Ugh I hate the late west coast game times especially on a school night. By the time the game ends, I have to wake up in a few hours.
There’s still school going on?
New York City calendar goes until August or so.
Seriously? When do they start, October?
After labor day and end last week of June. That schedule was ROUGH way back when I was still in the NYC public schools.
Tell me about. 400 days of school each year, and walking uphill both ways in the snow was a killer.
And do you have to make up snow days?
That stinks that schedule. I strt the beginning of Sept and get out mid June. It’s actually not that bad,
Snow days? In New York City? You should do stand up.
Weren’t there a couple this year with the storms?
I think only one. The first blizzard was the day after Christmas, so no school then anyway.
Fun (and random) fact: in New York it snows most often on Friday or Sunday, when there will be minimal disruption from the cleanup.
Wasn’t the snow day NYC schools had this past winter the first in years?
Probably.
I think in my 13 years in the school system, I had 3 snow days.
Randomly jumping in to say that I certainly never had a snow day while I was in public school.
Yeah…lots of snow days. But finals are coming up so it’s basically almost done.
FTLT is probably still in high school.
/collegestudent’d
Swisher??? Not right now, but in general, Swisher is probably one of the most underrated players on the team. The whole concept is just ridiculous.
Udder nonsense! Where is Carl Crawford???
Utter: complete; total; absolute
Udder: http://blog2.tshirt-doctor.com.....0Udder.jpg
I know…. I spelled it that way for dramatic effect!
Looks for Jacoby Ellsbury and scratches head.
Where is Pedroia? I personally think he’s overrated.
What??? A RED SOX PLAYER BEING OVERRATED??? Nonsense!!
Y’know, I’ve been a huge fan of Joe Maddon’s, but he is kinda losing me lately.
First, Sean Rodriguez is batting 2nd. Then, Felipe Lopez is batting 6th. Meanwhile, Matt Joyce (also known as one of the hottest hitters in baseball) is batting 7th.
2nd inning, walk, walk…. sac bunt?… to get to Matt Joyce, who is going to be pitched around to get to Kelly Shoppach (duh), who just happens to hit into a double play.
Fucking moron.
The problem with these sac bunt things, while they seem okay in theory, is that managers don’t realize that the pitcher will just pitch around the next guy to get to a weak hitter, making it useless.
Matt Joyce is hitting seventh? He was batting cleanup a couple of games ago…
Also, Evan Longoria’s .776 OPS is a 123 OPS+. His .874 OPS was a 127 OPS+ in 2008. NEEDZ MOAR STEROIDS
FWIW, the run expectancy for bases loaded 1 out is higher that for 1st and 2nd no outs.
Assuming the same batters at the plate in each situation. I’d rather have Matt Joyce up with 1st and 2nd no outs than Kelly Shoppach with bases loaded 1 out.
That’s not an option (or not a likely one). He was on deck with 1st and 2nd no outs, so the base-out situation when he came up would depend on what the batter in front of him did.
Sorry, I meant Felipe Lopez (though I’d certainly prefer Matt Joyce
) over Kelly Shoppach.
Of course, batting Felipe Lopez ahead of Matt Joyce is batshit insane.
IMO you have to take context into account… Matt Joyce has been beyond great and Shoppach has been awful (holy shit 38 OPS+). Give Joyce the chance to hit. It’s kinda like how win expectancy charts don’t take into account the hitter and pitcher, just the situation.
ARod on being named baseball’s most overrated player: “I’ve been on this list before, and ill probably be on it again next summer.”
LOL
Okay, who is TN?
Ted Nelson? What happened to Ted?
I fully expect to see Granderson on this next year.
Don’t forget that sidebar saying 45% (!) of the Facebook fans give the overrated title to the Captain.
Best situation for scoring a run (not via homer): 1 & 3 no out.
Basically any ball in play scores a run.
I know I’m going to crap for saying this, but I actually think Cliff Lee is overrated.
He’s good, but he’s not unbeatable.
He’s no Jon Lester that’s for sure!
As if to prove your point, the Nationals scored 5 runs against him in the third tonight.
Is RAB really slow for anybody else? Two different computers are taking FOR-EV-ER (/sand lot’d) to load RAB today.
I love that movie!
I refuse to watch the sequels.
I can see everything, but it’s not fully loading I guess cause the loading thingy keeps spinning.
I thought it was just me. Nope, really slow here too.
Looks like the tiqiq add/link is bogged down.
I keep getting a pop up message telling me that a script on the page is making IE run slow and if left open could cause my computer to become unresponsive. However I am fully willing to sacrifice my computers life in order to fully enjoy RAB.
You seriously still use IE?
They should just make “the yankees” the de facto number one spot, and then get the ratings on everyone else. This way there are some different, not obvious, answers.
Aceves just crapped the bed a little
Can someone explain to me how Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez are overrated? I just don’t see it.
I think overrated = overpaid here. I guess.
It should be called the SI MLB players “Who am I the most jealous of?” poll then.
Well Arod is underrated given te criticism from the media.
Jete is overrated given all of the love he gets from fans and how he’s “better than Arod” even though he isn’t. And he should not win a Gold Glove or be an All Star.
Jeter gets love from the fans (or at least used to) for being a great clutch player, being a consistently great hitter, and playing at his highest in the postseason where it really matters. The Gold Glove award has been notorious for being biased toward players who put up better offensive numbers. And Derek Jeter definitely deserved to be a perennial all-star.
I mean this year and last year, ignoring careers.
In that case, Derek Jeter is definitely overrated. But A-Rod still has had at least 30 HR and 100 RBI’s the last two years. And those are the only stats that compute to the people who voted in that poll.
Can I transfer my fantasy team to an OPB league? lol. 1/7 with 4 walks today so far.
My reaction if I were Joba would be, “there are still people who rate me highly?”
Speaking of hate, how much would fans hate Nova if he wasn’t homegrown?
I’m unsure if I could hate him much more than I already do.
the poll is on target. Both have been overrated. Nothing new.
Curtis Granderson is very underrated. Hence, it’s not really a ‘Yankee thing’
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additionally, if it were a ‘Yankee thing’ Mo Rivera would be on the list/poll. Considering he receives as much acclaim as the other two listed.
the difference being, Rivera deserves his acclaim.
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So does A-rod.
indeed…Arod is one of the best of all time….but most people don’t appreciate his talents because of his fat contract, the roid issue (which in some ways is ridiculous since others in the era don’t get dinged for it) and the smug attitude that many see from him.
It’s more ridiculous for the fact that it was for just 3 years of his career. and 2 of his MVP’s were outside of that season.
A-Rod is a generational talent with the body of a god. I’d be smug too.
man tits?
centaur?
And the oblique of an octogenarian?
A-Rod deserves much more than Mo.
The top 3 guys are Yankees, and a 4th Yankee earned the same % as the #1 non-Yankee.
It’s a Yankee thing.
Who votes? Every player or just a few wannabes?
Just Red Sox players, their front office and their loveable fans.
I’m certain of this because they do hate Jonathan Papelbon.
Absolutely nothing good is on on Tuesdays.
Hmmmmmm… PHI down 5-0 to WAS?!
Colon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lee
Colon craps bigger than Cliff Lee!
Don’t worry, I’m sure those youngsters over in Philadelphia will back Lee up and make a comeback. Did you know the Phillies were voted the second grittiest team in the MLB in SI’s latest player’s poll? It goes without saying who came in first.
I’d still vote for Brett Gritner.
Did you know the Phillies were voted the second grittiest team in the MLB in SI’s latest player’s poll? It goes without saying who came in first.
I can’t tell if this is a joke or not. It’s hilarious either way.
Cliff Lee has nearly a 4 ERA in the NL…that’s equal to a 5.98 in the AL East!
I hate you, Mat Latos. Fucking asshole.
His best two outings of the year occurred when I finally got tired of his shit and benched him. Started him against the Braves (hardy a great offense). He walks the fucking park. Again. Fuck.
Can anyone help me with RAB? My browsers all say that this script is acting unresponsive and this is the first time RAB s acting slow as shit for me. Every other website is fine. Help please?
I’ve been getting that too all day long.
Are you using Firefox? It often gives me bitch fits over that. It goes away if I switch to Chrome.
I’m using Chrome. I switch to IE and I get the same problem. I’ll try using FF though.
They’re all acting up right now, to be honest. Took ten minutes to just refresh the page on ff. =/
Seriously? The site is working fine for me on FF, Chrome, and IE. I’ll see if I can find anything.
I’m getting it on Firefox as well. It’s loading pretty much completely, except for something with the tiqiq thing. Keeps saying “transferring data from http://www.tiqiq.com” and “waiting for data from http://www.tiqiq.com“, just keeps doing this over and over, so the page is never fully loading.
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Seriously. Chrome user here, and it sucks. Even when the pages load, which is terribly lately, that tiqiq crap is still failing in the background.
Send tiqiq a note: Fix it or GTFO
TIQIQ: “Tickets meet intelligence”. Ironic.
This list is what you call SOUR GRAPES.
wow…I don’t pay too much attention to stats before June…Adam Dunn is really sucking ass.
Adam Dunn is really sucking ass.
Usually you pay double for that kind of action, Cotton.
Only on the Ocho!
You’ve missed a huge Mallrats quote-fest between @simmonsclass and me on Twitter over the last 24 hours or so. I’m really disappointed.
No kidding. He’s regressed in all levels. But then again, it’s only May. I feel bad for those poor suckers who have him on their fantasy team.
amazing that the sox spent all that money in the off season and they still have Scott Atchison in the bullpen.
Eh, Yanks have $18 million dollars in bullpen arms on the DL. That’s just for 2011.
L, a, n, c, e, P, e, n, d, l, e, t, o, n.
The Red Sox are losing to the White Sox 10-1? Heads are gonna roll in Boston.
starting with Aceves!
Boy do I wish we had kept that guy. I mean, his 87% LOB% and his .202 BABIP against were totally sustainable.
Meh, it was more about his health. The Yankees messed up there. But it doesn’t mean the org/the medical staff is incompetent and not to be trusted or anything like that.
(I also think that if he was pitching like that for anyone but the Red Sox, people would be more like “oh well.”)
I don’t think they messed up…just made a decision. some times they work one way, sometimes they don’t. no big deal.
Well the decision was based on his health and they did mess up there (though if he breaks his back tomorrow and never pitches another inning, for example, maybe not). But I don’t think it’s that big a deal and I wouldn’t have wanted him to start at all anyway.
Oh well, It’s a moot point now. I used to really like Aceves, but I just can’t root for him in a Red Sox uniform. If he was pitching for any other team (well besides the Phillies, Rangers, Angels, Mets, and any AL east team besides the Yankees) I would be wishing him the best of luck.
I will wish him best of luck when he resumes his long relief role and only pitches in games where Boston’s down 11-2
Hopefully he’ll be in many of those situations.
I lost all respect for him when he stated one of his goals in joining the Red Sox was sticking it to his former team.
I will buy someone 6 good beers per month for the rest of their lives if they can get me a job on Wall Street. Dead Serious.
Red Sox are getting Phil Humbered…
It’s nice to see a former Mets farmhand make it. With Santana injured, it adds a little salt to the Mets wounds.
Cliff Lee makes Cashman one lucky GM.
Someone on Twitter just told me baseball is not a sport. Uh… that’s a new one.
is he a Nascar fan or a Golfer?
http://forum.hyeclub.com/showt.....Sport-Evar!
That is some pretty logical reasoning. Those guys have me convinced. Baseball can’t be a real sport.
More bad news for Gary Carter.Carter’s brain tumor is malignant, inoperable
Doctors think he can still be treated via chemo and radiation.
that is sad shit… the man needs a miracle.
I read into this earlier today. Apparently he suffers from Stage 4 Brain Cancer. Patients of this disease on average don’t live to see another full year.
That’s really sad. He was one of the few genuine non phony good guys from the ’86 Mets.
I can only imagine what he’s going through.
The Mets need to have a Gary Carter appreciation day sometime this season.
If they can afford it that is.
/obviously joking’d
So it turns out that grabbing Morneau off of waivers (at least in the short term) last week was a good idea.
ESPN’s coverage of the NBA is such horse shit. All of a sudden, LeBron James is better than Michael Jordan and Dirk Nowitski is being compared to Larry Bird.
After this series, the two of them combined will have a total of one ring but that apparently isn’t sensational enough.
When LeBron gets his sixth ring, THEN it becomes a conversation/debate worth having.
And the “when” on that is not me saying it will happen. Winning multiple championships in any sport is pretty damn rare and difficult (unless, you know, you happen to play for the Yankees at the right time).
MJ would have broken LBJs spirit with his maniacal will to win…….and after blowing past him off the dribble a few dozen times.
Lolwut. Everyone at ESPN wants to kill Pippen for saying that. And it’s not like LBJ isn’t close. He has a chance to be better, actually a solid chance. Too early to determine but ESPN is definitely against LBJ in this argument.
Michael Jordan is incomparable. I could give you all the details, but I’m too lazy.
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and I’m a huge lifelong Knicks fan.
I’m a huge lifelong Lakers fan. But you’ve got to give props to MJ for being the best (and most exciting to watch) NBA player of all time.
holy crap…bruney is going to blow this
way to go, Chisox…score early…let the red sox fans get their hopes up…and then win it with the big guns coming up!
Haters gonna hate. Am I surprised at all? No, I am not.