Jun
03

Game 55: House of Horrors

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(Photo Credit: Flickr user JAweb.com via Creative Commons license)

For the longest time, it seemed like Angels Stadium was a complete nightmare for the Yankees. They won just five of 24 games in Anaheim from 2005 through the 2009 All-Star break, which is absolutely dreadful. But for whatever reason, the Angels and their stadium are just like any other team now. I don’t think many of use dread playing the Halos anymore, likely because they’re clearly a team in decline  and (of course) the 2009 ALCS. Good times, good times. Here’s your starting nine…

Derek Jeter, SS
Curtis Granderson, CF
Mark Teixeira, 1B
Alex Rodriguez, 3B
Robinson Cano, 2B
Russell Martin, C
Nick Swisher, RF
Jorge Posada, DH
Brett Gardner, LF

Ivan Nova, SP

Dan Haren Update: RAB fave Sam Miller reports that Haren will have tomorrow’s scheduled start pushed back to Tuesday because of his back issue. I assume the Angels will just bump Ervin Santana up to Saturday and Joel Pineiro up to Sunday. Thursday’s off day allows them to pitch on normal rest, so that’s not an issue.

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  • Robbie.

    Im going to tomorrows game and I was hoping to see a cc-haren matchup.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    It sounds silly to say missing Haren is a bad thing, but the way this team’s been hitting good pitching lately I don’t think it matters who they face.

  • http://twitter.com/Carlosologist_7 Carlosologist

    I’m strangely confident tonight. We beat up on Weaver, a flyball pitcher (5.88 ERA lifetime against the Yanks, I think.), the offense is hot. Hoping for a really good game tonight.

    • MikeD

      Granderson has four HRs against him in only a few ABs. Let’s hope it continues.

  • Jimmy

    If we play every game like game 4 of the 2009 ALCS we will be ok here.

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    lol @ the Red Sox even making an A’s game close.

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Did you see that RBI “double” by Ortiz? That was a laugher.

  • Cy Pettitte

    those Angels hats are atrocious

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Every Angels hat ever has been atrocious.

      The only two well dressed teams in California both began their lives in New York City.

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    1st inning runs. Let’s do it again!

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Please don’t tell me those are supposed to be “halos” on those caps.

    • Yanko

      what is that?

      • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

        Halo = ring above an angels head.

  • MikeD

    Hoping Jeter generates a 90-pitch AB to wear out Weaver.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Great at-bat by Jeter, regardless of outcome.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Let’s go Jetes. Getting on base here would be epic.

  • Jimmy

    Loving this Jeter at bat

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    This is just an incredible at-bat by Jete to start the game.

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    This is getting comical! LOL. I love it!

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    This AB is freakin’ awesome.

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    Captain with the monster at-bat.

    That was awesome. More of that.

  • Jimmy

    F’in kidding me! Jesus! – Weaver

  • Reggie C.

    Derek Jeter. GRIT.

    Good job DJ.

  • Mariano’s Pimp Hand

    I remember when Jeter and Knoblauch used to wear out pitchers like this all the time.

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    Man that was just awesome stuff to see. Weaver’s reaction after the flyout was priceless. Gotta love sports.

  • Jimmy

    A-Rod will hit 4 home runs this series

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    Fuentes doing this best to blow the Oakland lead in Fenway.

    • Cy Pettitte

      If you can’t get Crawford out at Fenway you are certifiably terrible.

    • CP

      Fuentes is facing his first batter.

      • A-Rod’s Hip

        and he fell behind 3-1 with the bases loaded

        • CP

          True, but he gets only a small portion of the blame. Devine should get most of it for loading the bases.

          • A-Rod’s Hip

            Agreed

    • MikeD

      …and it appears he did blow the lead.

      I read someone conjecturing the Yankees would try and pick up Fuentes. My guestion is why? Doesn’t he have a two year contract and is being payed a high salary. We have enough of those type of lefties not doing anything for us. We don’t need another.

      • A-Rod’s Hip

        I’d pass on any idea of acquiring Fuentes.

  • MikeD

    That may have been Jeter’s best AB of the year, and I don’t mean that as a negative.

    Makes me wonder. What’s the record for most pitches in a single AB? Wonder if anyone has ever broke 20 pitches. Anyone know?

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      I heard somewhere that someone worked it to 24, 25 pitches.

      • MikeD

        I’ve read differing answers on it, which is why I asked. I think part of the issue is they didn’t track things as closely decades back, so the answer is probably unknown.

        I’ve seen Luke Appling mentioned a few times somewhere in a 24 to 29 pitch AB. That would be fun to watch.

    • CP
    • Brooklyn Ed

      Former Angel, Bart Colon threw 20 pitches to Ricky Gutierrez in 1998.

      http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What.....the_batter

      • MikeD

        Good ol’, Bart. No doubt just tossing fastball after fastball.

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    7-6 Boston, in case anyone’s keeping score. Bloop 2 run single for Crawford.

  • Kostas

    When will managers learn. Bases loaded and the A’s turn to Brian Fuentes who promptly gives up a 2 run single to Carl Crawford.

    Fuentes is another of “those” pitchers who has one good season and suddenly GM’s think he is talented. #FAIL

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Fuentes is trash.

  • will

    Bob Lorenz is terrible.

    • A-Rod’s Hip

      Kay is worse.

      • A-Rod’s Hip

        And Nova’s not far behind. smh

      • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

        No.

        • A-Rod’s Hip

          Yes

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    FUCK!

  • Kostas

    Awesome! So it begins.

  • Reggie C.

    Nova’s got nothing. Just nothing.

  • Jimmy

    Sick of Nova.

  • CBean

    why didn’t we skip Nova?

    • Kostas

      Because Carols Silva is not ready.

      Nova is a long man at best.

  • Cy Pettitte

    Nice knowin’ ya Ivan.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Is Coltrane on drugs?

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      And I’m not talking about John — who was always on drugs.

  • Mickey Scheister

    Silva please.

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    Walkoff hit for Tabata down in Pittsburgh.

    • A-Rod’s Hip

      Karstens pitched well. 7 IP, 1 R. 3.30 ERA this year. Certainly respectable.

  • Jonathan

    Wow…that was clearly a crossup. This is my first time with Lorenz and Flaherty and they are AWFUL. Are they always this bad?

    • Jetrer

      yes

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    When you can’t miss a bat you can’t give away walks and free bases. Such is the life of Ivan Nova.

  • Reggie C.

    Get Noesi warming up. He’s only got 8.2 innings to pitch.

  • Jimmy

    Would like to see Noesi warming up like right now.

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    I think Nova will recover from this inning and go on to be solid for the next few.

    • A-Rod’s Hip

      I honestly agree with this.

  • Jonathan

    And Nova is far from inconsistent. He fucking sucks night in and night out.

    • Freddy’s Mom

      He had one brilliant start. Another that wasn’t so bad. Get a grip, man.

      • Jonathan

        are you joking? If your K/9 and BB/9 numbers are both in the 4’s you suck. If part of your argument is he had a start that “wasn’t so bad”, you’ve already lost it.

        • Freddy’s Mom

          Dude, go back and read what I said. Did it seem like a joke to you? The last phrase is most relevant: get a grip on yourself. Yes, the overall numbers are bad but your original statement was inaccurate, intemperate and hugely uninteresting.

          • Jonathan

            get a grip on myself? you seem to be the one overreacting. sure, even the worst players have decent days, but the guy has proven at this point he isn’t a major league starter. Especially not in the AL East. I have no idea why you’re attempting to defend a guy that just flat out isn’t any good. I don’t have anything against the guy besides the fact that he continues to hurt the team with bad start after bad start. Are you his mom or something? The broadcasters were saying the problem with Nova is he is inconsistent. I’m saying the problem with Nova is he sucks.

  • Freddy’s Mom

    If Nova is left in after 3 runs, Girardi is conceding this game.

    • A-Rod’s Hip

      LOL. I wouldn’t go that far.

  • Cy Pettitte

    anyone in the bullpen who can throw strikes?

  • swishers fauxhawk

    I want to like Ivan Nova. But it’s not going to work out.

  • MikeD

    My guess is Noesi takes Nova’s spot after the Sox series.

  • Jimmy

    Um. 3-0? lol

  • V

    Way to go, Girardi. Skipping Nova when you can is Managing 101, and you failed.

    • bonestock94

      To be fair he’s expected to do a hell of a lot better than this

      • A-Rod’s Hip

        Exactly. He is a paid professional after all.

    • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

      It’s the first inning!

      • A-Rod’s Hip

        Well yeah, that too.

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    So could this really be Nova’s last start? Is anyone gonna be ready to replace him by his next go-round in the rotation?

    • Cy Pettitte

      Noesi in the pen, Silva is lined up starting the same nights as Nova in AAA. Not sure what nights Phelps is starting.

      • A-Rod’s Hip

        Thanks for the word. Hmmm.. It’s a tough call if I’d rather have Noesi out there. Silva could at worst just be a similar Garcia.. which as of now is still better than what Nova’s been doing lately.

        This might be it for Ivan.

  • Freddy’s Mom

    I think I might have to opt out of this tonight if it’s gonna be another gigantor Girardi-bashing fest.

    • bonestock94

      Opt out of losing games to retain sanity

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    Aaaaaand the CentWAR getting it done again.

  • Jimmy

    Thank you Yuri

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    I’ll go out on a limb and say that Angels fans don’t like A-Rod very much. Just a guess.

  • MikeD

    RBI, please.

    • MikeD

      Thank you.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    RISP WIN

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    Very nice Russell.

  • CBean

    Yay Martin!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Very nice, Russ.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Hip hip??

  • CMP

    Here comes the rally killer

  • Jonathan

    This has GIDP written all over it. Let’s go Jorge. Big knock buddy.

  • Cuso

    Swisher should take a page out of Mariano Duncan’s playbook and just pick one side of the plate (the right side).

  • Cy Pettitte

    ewwww Jorge.

  • CMP

    At least he stayed out of the DP.

  • Oliver

    Apparently the Halos got raped by the Red Sox so many times that they’ve started using the same uniform numbers Boston does.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Right down Main Street.

    • A-Rod’s Hip

      not at all

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    Great f’n pitch by Weaver.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Jorge’s dunzo.

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      You mean the end is near?

  • MikeD

    Jorge clearly looking for something other than the fastball right down the middle.

    Weaver clearly not shap, so at least we’re driving up the pitch count.

  • Cuso

    posada, go be with yo wife

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Little harsh, no?

      • Cy Pettitte

        he doesn’t have to go home but he can’t stay here.

      • Cuso

        i thought it was nicer than most, actually. i didn’t criticize him, i told him to go be with his hot wife.

        • http://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

          Hip Fucking Hip.

          I would love nothing more than to see Jorge just go on a complete rampage for the rest of the season and shut everyone up.

          • http://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

            Major reply fail. Still kinda fits though so oh well.

  • Kostas

    feel bad for Posada but he just needs to walk away. No good will come from the remainder of this season for him.

    • MikeD

      A lot of good will come from not walking away. For one, another $6.5 million in his bank account. He’s sticking, and I would, too.

      • Kostas

        Money aside, he hasn’t done anything of value for the Yanks. All he has to do is hit and collect a paycheck. He couldn’t even pull a Paul O’Neil and assault the water cooler. He’d swing and miss.

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    At least we’re making him work. 52 pitches already through 1.2 innings. I’m sure someone else will post that comment soon after. (or may have beat me to it)

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Scioscia will let him throw 130 pitches.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Swing the fucking bat please.

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Tough pitch. Looked like a ball then tails back over the plate. Gardner hadn’t seen it the whole AB.

  • paulc

    If Nova keeps this up…please coach give noesi a shot, silva waiting in the wings, phelps..anybody but nova right now…killin us…and poor poor jorge-just done is all…

  • Jimmy

    Man what the hell was that?

  • Jonathan

    I hate that Gameday won’t let you look back to see where pitches were anymore

    • swishers fauxhawk

      Can still change to classic. Top right corner on Gameday.

      • CP

        Usually they add features when they go to a new interface. It seems odd that they took stuff away.

        I really hope that they don’t completely eliminate the old gameday. It would suck to be stuck with the new crappy version.

      • Jonathan

        much appreciated

    • Jetrer
  • CBean

    how’s the Angels bullpen?

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Walden’s the only legit arm.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Love to have Weaver. He’s not very sharp and facing a great lineup but still has four pitches he can go to at any time to get a big out.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Bat. Swing.

  • first time lawng time

    Flash + Lorenz + 10 PM game = snoozer

  • Matt

    You people clearly do not know what you are talking about when it comes to these at bats.

    Do you think Posada and Gardner are taking fastballs out over the plate just to annoy you?

    Every pitch in those 2 at bats was on the outside corner or just off the outside, including a lot of offspeed pitches. When you’ve seen all of your pitches on one side of the plate in a 3-2 count, you have to protect the outside and lean out there and fight them off.

    Weaver made some good pitches on the inside half and locked these hitters up on 3-2. The pitch to Posada was a cookie but when you are looking away, it feels like it’s way inside. Gardner’s was barely off the inside corner.

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Agreed.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Mathis will be the 2011 AL batting champ.

    • CMP

      Not even if they demoted him to A ball.

    • Eirias

      I was told Robinson Cano would be a batting champion one day.

    • CP

      He has over 1000 career ABs, and a BA of .201? Holy crap.

  • CMP

    That rock pile looks like such a cheesy piece of shit.

    • Jetrer

      don’t diss Mickey Mouse like that. Respect the mouse and all that he does.

      • JohnnyC

        Disney sold the team years ago.

        • Jetrer

          the rocks were installed when Mickey still ran the place

  • first time lawng time

    Am I going crazy, or have the Angels changed their uniforms?

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      You’re fuckin nuts.

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Every Friday is retro night.

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    Thank goodness Nova got out of that without giving up a run. That would’ve been so deflating for him and his psyche.

    • MikeD

      Mine, too.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    This strike zone does not like lefties.

  • Matt

    What kills the Yankees a lot more than Posada’s at bat is Jeter’s 2-0 lazy fly ball to left field. Weaver had just thrown 53 pitches in the first 2 innings, at least take a pitch.

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Are you serious? You’re mad at Jeter for swinging at an 0-2 meatball? He just missed it.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Granderson 0 for his last 7. Pick it up asshole.

  • MikeD

    Something that would make me happy: A report that Phil Hughes tossed a fastball at 94 mph.

  • CMP

    Kim Jones dresses like an old lady.

    • Jetrer

      she is an old lady

    • JohnnyC

      How do you suggest she dress? Just curious.

      • Cy Pettitte

        less pants suits, more cleavage?

  • MikeD

    Nova for the All-Star team!

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Oh that had murder written all over it.

  • CMP

    Show a little skin

    • MikeD

      I’m sorry. I stepped away for a second and saw this note as A-Rod was batting. Is that who you’re…?

      • CMP

        No. Posted in the wrong place.

    • JohnnyC

      Be careful what you wish for.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Nieves > Martin

  • Kostas

    Can someone get a hit and tie this game up.

  • Cy Pettitte

    come on Jorge, be productive.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Hip hip?

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      JORGE!!

  • Cuso

    Clearly they pitch around Swisher. Posada, if you have ANYTHING, make them pay.

  • Cy Pettitte

    hip fucking hip!

  • Kostas

    C’mon Jorge get a fucking hit for a change.

    • Kostas

      Atta boy…. NICE!!!!!

  • CBean

    HIP HIP!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Hip hip, but damn, ground rule double cost them a run.

  • MikeD

    Nice!

    BTW Bob Lorenz, you can show some emotion on a clear Yankee hit to tie the game. Just a thought.

    • Jetrer

      its late. He’s trying to lull everyone to sleep.

  • Cuso

    Halle-freakin-lujah

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Bob Lorenz has no idea what’s going on.

    /Towelie’d

  • CMP

    Gotta love the work the Yankee offense has turned in against some tough pitchers this road trip.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    89 pitches through 4.

    Deliver the knockout blow next inning.

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Blow usually keeps me up all night.

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Let’s see Nova navigate the 2nd time through the lineup first.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Scioscia will leave him out there for 130 pitches. Weaver still has tow more innings in that arm, even if he gets hit around a little in the fifth.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Gardner can consistently strike out in high elverage situations. Who said this team is inconsistent?

  • bonestock94

    Jorge’s not dead yet

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Erstad’s 2000 season was effing sick.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Has Nova gotten one swing and miss tonight? I don’t think he has and I’ve been trying to keep track for fun.

    • swishers fauxhawk

      Just one. In the first inning.

      • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

        Now we got two!

    • V

      1 strike swinging by Nova. 10 by Weaver.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Any time Ivan wants to not throw turdballs down the middle

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Walk Mathis?????

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      He should be DFA’d on principle.

  • Cy Pettitte

    walk to Mathis, unforgivable. Please kindly return to Scranton.

  • V

    Walking Jeff Mathis should be an immediate demotion.

  • Pat D

    Walking Jeff Mathis is a crime punishable by death, in my code of laws.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    What a joke. And I have no doubt he’ll give up the lead here.

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Hey there’s a fucking surprise.

      • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

        He’s so bad.

  • Jetrer

    Walk Mathis, nice. How the fuck do you walk Mathis?

  • Jonathan

    did he just say first piss?

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Haha yes!

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Nova to AAA, Carlos Silva to rotation.

    • V

      Ew. Noesi should get first dibs.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        I wouldn’t mind that either but a few more MLB experience form the pen could help. But I want Nova out of this rotation. He better not pitch in Boston.

  • Jetrer

    bullpen please

  • Pat D

    Anyone else think ARod should have gotten that ball?

    And once again thanks to Mike for being right on his “annoying player of the series pick.”

    • Jimmy

      Ball was crushed man.

      • Pat D

        That’s what I thought. But my dad is yelling at him, saying he would have had that ball back in his day and age.

    • V

      Yep. His range ain’t what it used to be.

  • CBean

    isn’t our bullpen nice and rested?

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Not for long.

  • V

    2nd swinging strike!

    • swishers fauxhawk

      Foul tip. Close though.

    • Jetrer

      no fair. that was tipped

  • Ivan

    Really, early MVP?!?!

  • http://danielslifka.wordpress.com Jerome S.

    Only gave up a run!

  • CBean

    runs please!

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Here we go. Big inning coming.

  • the tenth inning stretch

    This would be an awesome time for a Grandy HR.

  • Cy Pettitte

    BusterOlney -“You can tell Ivan Nova is going to be good for a long time, but he has to grind through a lot of inconsistency, like a lot of young pitchers”

    well that’s good to know.

    • swishers fauxhawk

      It’s just growing pains, guys! He’ll be fine!

      #wishfulthinking

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Apparently pitchers have no need for strike outs to succeed in the big leagues anymore.

    • Pat D

      I wonder what blinders Buster is wearing.

      • JohnnyC

        Buster must think 2 pitch pitchers who have little command of either are just peachy.

        • Pat D

          He’s usually not that foolish.

    • JohnnyC

      The Mets would love to have him in their rotation but…the Mets ain’t going nowhere so what do they care about inconsistency. The Yankees? Not so much.

      • V

        Getting bad hitters out with junk is no sign of a good pitcher. Two swinging strikes.

        Nova for Wright. Get it done, Cash!

    • MikeD

      I’m not going to write Nova off. He might be a good pitcher, once he develops a third pitch, hopefully one that causes swings and misses. Other than that…

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Granderslump.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Yes, he’s gone a whole game and a half without a hit.

      • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

        Big time.

  • Pat D

    Wow, the strikeout sound effects they use are far more annoying than the PC Richard whistle.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Now that was awful. Weaver’s tiring and they help him out flailing at pitches out of the zone.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Fail.

  • Pat D

    Granderson has looked fairly terrible tonight.

    Gardner has looked fairly terrible this road trip.

    Just sayin’.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Haha, you suck Bobby.

  • Cy Pettitte

    that was gritty

  • Pat D

    I think that hit his wrist.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    That line drive looks like it’s coming back three times as fast as it was pitched.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Robbie GTFO

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Weaver is totally going out for the seventh.

    • Pat D

      The 8th, too, at this rate.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Talk about letting a pitcher off the hook. Very disappointing night so far.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Awesome, Robbie.

  • Cy Pettitte

    way to work his pitch count

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Martin GTFO

  • Jetrer

    WTF. Its like they want Weaver to pitch 7 innings.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    That was so fucking pathetic that I’m going to blame it on Girardi.

  • CBean

    Could we have made that any easier for Weaver?

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Terrible.

  • Cy Pettitte

    I’ve never seen someone so excited to get a Russell Branyan foul ball

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Obligatory pervert quote from Lorenz.

  • Charles

    Why would you swing so early in the count all 3 ABs? The guy is at 108 pitches, make him work and get him out of here…

  • Pat D

    Sigh, Swish. Sigh.

  • JohnnyC

    Fun fact: the year the Angels won the World Series, as a team, they saw the fewest pitches at bat in the majors.

    • Pat D

      For me, knowing how easily they beat the Yankees in the ALDS, that’s more of a “head hit desk” fact as opposed to a “fun” fact.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      They were also not the small ball team everyone constantly says they were. Troy Glaus, Garrett Anderson, Tim Salmon, and Brad Fullmer killed the ball. Hell, the only reason they won the World Series was because Scott Spiezio, Darin Erstad, and Glaus used power to tie Game Six and then take the lead, avoiding elimination.

      • Pat D

        I have exactly one memory of that World Series: JT Snow saving a life.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Robb Nen dude. Literally sacrificed his career that series by pitching through a torn rotator cuff. 32 years old at the time, never pitched again.

          • Pat D

            Yea, I really didn’t watch that series.

            I couldn’t get over the Yankees getting steamrolled by the fucking Angels.

  • bonestock94

    For all the bitching nova’s been ok.

  • A-Rod’s Hip

    Props to those of us who said Nova would settle down and be “solid” after the 1st. Forgot who else said it. Computer’s too slow to scroll up.

  • Pat D

    I can haz offense?

    • Jetrer

      no

      • Pat D

        I haz ben bad boi, apairentlee.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Scioscia PLEASE bring in Takahashi.

  • http://deleted Total Dominication

    why take that?

  • Jetrer

    keep taking those fastballs down the middle. That strategy is sure to lead to success.

    • bonestock94

      Why don’t you suit up and go crush homers off an ace

  • Greg

    Damn the Angels must be afraid of their bullpen

  • wow

    incredible.

  • Greg

    The thing that alleves this is that we are being shut down by a brand name in Jered Weaver. If this were Scott Kazmir on the other hand…

    • JohnnyC

      A brand name who’s lost his last 4 decisions.

      • Greg

        Yet he has shown that he can shut down an offense before tonight.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        That’s not his fault.

  • Esteban

    Wow imagine the Rays fans going crazy over the Rays giving up 7 runs to the Mariners.

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      The 46 Rays fans.

      • Esteban

        Imagine the whining if the Yankees had given up 7 runs to the Mariners. But guess what? It’s baseball and you can’t predict it.

  • V

    1) Holy crap did this team let Weaver off the hook. Awful at bats after Jeter’s walk in the 5th.

    2) Holy crap is Mike Scioscia going to end Weaver’s career early. He threw 128 in his previous outing.

    • Greg

      Its Jered Weaver. He’s a good pitcher.

      • V

        Um… duh?

        That good pitcher had over 50 pitches through 2 innings.

        1st: 27
        2nd: 26
        3rd: 10
        4th: 26
        5th: 12
        6th: 6
        7th: 12

        They bailed him out. Pure and simple.

        • Esteban

          Or he started pitching better. That’s an option too, right?

          • V

            5th inning – 5 strikes thrown:
            Granderson struck out.
            Teixeira grounded out in a 2-1 count.

            6th inning – 5 strikes thrown:
            ARod struck out.
            Cano – first pitch pop out.
            Martin – first pitch foul out.

            7th inning – 8 strikes thrown:
            Swisher struck out.
            Posada flew out on 0-1 count.
            Gardner flew out on 2-1 count.

            So, um, no. It isn’t. That 6th inning in particular had dreadful at bats by Cano and Martin.

            • Esteban

              But Weaver had no part in that. The Yankees just got themselves out.

              Swinging at pitches in 2-1 counts is not ridiculous. Weaver should get some credit (right?) for the 3 strikeouts. Just going up there and taking the first pitch, especially in those innings is not a great team strategy. A pitcher like Weaver would figure it out and get easy strikes.

        • bonestock94

          Pitch count tells the whole story? Good pitchers battle back

          • V

            Then I don’t know what ball game you guys are watching. The hacking started in the 5th and the results are obvious.

            • Greg

              You think the Yankess would score 5 runs off Sandy Koufax.

              • V

                I think you’re a fucking dumbass is what I think.

            • bonestock94

              Hacking or getting fooled?

              • V

                If a pitcher is at 105 pitches through 5, it’s probably not a good idea to swing at the first pitch.

    • Pat D

      1) Agreed.

      2) In the words of The Emperor, “Good…good.”

    • JohnnyC

      Could be they don’t plan on signing him when he’s a free agent after 2012. After all, his agent happens to be Scott Boras.

  • MikeD

    Can I really vote for the Player of the Game until I know who is going to win the game for the Yankees tonight?

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    I just started watching. How did Nova look?

    • Pat D

      Pretty terrible in the first inning, OK since then.

    • swishers fauxhawk

      Definition of bend, but didn’t break.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    That’s my favorite manager move. Leave the starter in too long so he allows he leadoff man to reach base, then go to the bullpen.

    • Greg

      He didn’t do that with Colon in Baltimore, did he?

      • CMP

        No but he should have.

    • Pat D

      Even more so than the use of the bunt?

    • MikeD

      No, Mike, there is brilliance behind the move. He knows he’s bringing Robertson in, who saves his best pitching when men are on base, so he leaves Nova in and tells him to specifically allow the lead-off runner on.

      Or, it’s a stupid move.

      • Pat D

        So what you’re saying is that it’s either a good idea or a bad idea?

        • MikeD

          Yes. Just want to cover all the bases.

  • MikeD

    Hmmm, it’s 12:15 and suddenly realize why I’m hungry. I never had dinner. I guess I’ll just pretend I’m in California and go for it now.

    • Pat D

      I’m sure your digestive system will thank you tomorrow.

      • MikeD

        The beauty of it is it is already tomorrow, even though tomorrow can never arrive, since it’s always just a day away.

        • Pat D

          You just blew my mind.

    • V

      I had eight raw oysters like 4 hours ago, lol.

  • Matt

    This offense is really incredible. You have Weaver on the ropes, on the verge of knocking him out of the game, and these idiots go up there hacking away at the first pitch out of the zone making weak outs.

    All it takes is one or two selfish at bats to destroy what you’ve worked so hard for in the previous 5 innings, and tonight was another example of that.

    Instead of swinging for the fences against a guy who has allowed only 4 HR all season and has a BAA under .200, how about you try to knock him out of the game and do it against the mediocre bullpen arms that you’d be faced with in his place? No sense of the situation in the approach there.

    • Esteban

      You know the Yankees were swinging for the fences? From where did you get this info?

      • Pat D

        He was there in the room with Dolan and Walsh when they were hammering out the details of the Melo trade……

        Wait, sorry, just remembering how Francesa hammered someone today.

        • Cuso

          lol, saw that segment. this was the same guy calling everyone ignorant 90 minutes ago for getting on Posada & Gardner taking called third strikes. took 5 innings to do a complete 180.

      • Matt

        Stop being ridiculous. What do you think these hitters are thinking when they go up there falling to a knee swinging at offspeed junk when they haven’t seen a fastball all night?

        It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what the approach is of some of these hitters. If you are going to attempt to mock me, at least try to say something intelligent in the process rather than contribute nothing to the discussion as you have done here.

        • Esteban

          I guess I don’t know much, but whatever approach these Yankees hitters have developed has produced hall of fame and all start caliber players. I think I’ll trust their approach.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Dustin Moseley through a gem tonight.

    • Pat D

      What kind of gem did he pass through?

      • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

        Wow. That was sad.

        threw*

        • Pat D

          Sorry, that one was too good to pass up.

    • MikeD

      And another reminder on why people should pay little attention to Ian Kennedy and Jeff Karstens and other former Yankee pitchers who suddenly seem good pitching over in the NL. They’re not good.

  • Kostas

    Fuck, the disappear AB’s have returned. Yanks lose this one, it is because they bailed Weaver out of at least three innings when they should have scored 1+ runs.

  • Cy Pettitte

    what the fuck

  • Jetrer

    looks like Jeter missed the tag

  • Pat D

    Nice job, Jetes.

  • V

    I hate intentional walks in 1 run games.

  • Jetrer

    that should be an E6

  • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

    Great now that bum can’t even apply a tag…

  • MikeD

    Great, now the umpire decides to have good eyes, or not give the automatic out call when the ball beats the runner, which happens 90% of the other time!

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    And in comes Joe Dumbass with the unnecessary IBB of the day…

    • Greg

      Did it not work, Mr. Dumbass?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Doesn’t mean it was a good idea. Free baserunner in a one run game is asking for bad news.

      • V

        Do you know what also worked? Me running naked around my house singing the Macarena. Doesn’t make it a good idea.

        • Esteban

          Hahaha. Define “worked”

          haha

          • V

            Well, every time I run around the house naked singing the Macarena, the Yankees don’t give up a run during the inning. Correlation must mean causation, right?

            • Esteban

              I say you continue to do it. Test it and record the results over the whole season.

  • Cy Pettitte

    DROB > everyone

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      +1

  • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

    FIREMANNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Esteban

    Yay for 3rd outs at third base.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Nice and nice.

  • swishers fauxhawk

    Robertson just tied Nova for strikeouts tonight.

  • JohnnyC

    Got the DP…the unusual way.

  • CBean

    wow that was awesome! Go Martin!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Torii’s a girl’s name.

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      So is Hisanori.

  • bonestock94

    Epic

  • Cy Pettitte

    If they can’t get a run off Downs I give up.

  • V

    Wow. Robertson didn’t get one swinging strike in that inning. Five strikes looking. Nice.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    I LOVE having a catcher that can actually throw runners out. With Jorge, we’re lucky if that ball doesn’t go into LF

  • JohnnyC

    Downs in to neutralize Curtis. Mike Sciosia doesn’t believe in advance scouting?

    • JohnnyC

      And that’s why.

    • Matt

      Downs throws a lot of slow breaking balls. Granderson sits dead red almost every pitch. I think he knows what he’s doing.

  • Cy Pettitte

    where’s Joba?

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    GranderSLUMP!

    • Cy Pettitte

      I was counting on Curtis, now I feel like a GranderCHUMP

      • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

        Nicely done!

    • Esteban

      Slumps start the at bat you don’t get a hit.

  • Greg

    Curtis is in a bit of a slump

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    A poll question on the Angles broadcast was “What do you dislike most about the Yankees?”

    The city
    The big money
    The championships
    The brash attitude

    Just…wow

    • Greg

      They better say the championships

    • JohnnyC

      It’s funny but none of these morons ever think that a lot of people hate THEIR team. It’s just that their team isn’t important enough to waste your hatred on.

      • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

        I absolutely HATE the Angels. Regardless of how irrelevant they are.

      • Pat D

        I’ve hated the fucking Angels since Scioscia’s arrival.

        And when I found out my dickhole manager at Circuit City at the time was an Angels fan.

        • MikeD

          I must have missed an update. When did you leave T-Mobile? Getting out ahead before the merger, or did they already start cutting? If so, hopefully you got something out of it.

          • Pat D

            No, this was back in 2001-2002 that I’m referencing.

            Nothing new on the merger. They still have July 1, 2012 as an expected close date. I still fully expect to be laid off at the time, in which case I will get a severance package.

            But they fucked up the severance packages. They sent all of us letters with what they would be, then corrected them about a week later saying they messed up. My package lost about $8000.

            I am trying to take a month long leave of absence because I just have the need to get out of the place and clear my heard for a while. That would being in two weeks, assuming it gets approved.

    • MikeD

      I wonder if they realize how many NYers are out there watching, who must might take offense?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    So who’s going to see Taio Cruz at Angel Stadium on June 11?

  • CMP

    Curtis sure had a shitty night though he’s allowed with the year he’s having.

    • Greg

      this is back to back nights though with alot of k’s so i think hes in a bit of a slump

  • Pat D

    If those were the fireworks at DisneyLand, how came I didn’t see one recognizable part of DisneyLand? Even at night, it’s pretty obvious looking.

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Dear A-Rod,

    Pretend it’s Brian Fuentes at Yankee Stadium.

    Thanks,

    Guns of the… well I’ve got a long name.

  • V

    Crap. Fantasy team has a 12/29 going. 0/4s by Joyce, Longoria, and Granderson. Ouch.

  • V

    Bull shit.

  • V

    Bull. Fucking. Shit.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Marty Foster GTFO

  • V

    “That is fucking ridiculous”, lol, can hear that on the broadcast.

  • Matt

    That is the worst check swing call that I’ve seen all season going either way.

  • V

    And that was ball 4.

    • Matt

      Definitely not. Bad outcome does not mean bad approach, and he hit it hard.

      • V

        No, the previous pitch was ball 4. If the checked swing was called a ball.

        • Matt

          He’s not going to throw the same pitch sequence if that is called a check swing. All of the breaking balls that got him to 3-2 were the result of him trying to waste pitches in a 1-2 count.

  • Orlando

    Alex….pretend your still with Kate Hudson!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

    Those hats are fucking ugly and is Bob Lorenz the commentator?

    • FIPster Doofus

      Yeah, he is.

  • V

    An inning taken away by an umpire. Again. Fucking hate those fucking blind old imbeciles.

  • http://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

    “Had to be in a hurry because Teixera was on the run.” What are “things you don’t hear very often” for 1000 Alex?

  • wow

    just a heartbreaker right now

  • Greg

    Sometimes you run into a good pitcher.

    • Matt

      Stop with this nonsense. Weaver was at 88 pitches in the first 4 innings, and the Angels have an incredibly mediocre bullpen outside of their closer. The Yankees did not get beaten by good pitching, they beat themselves by allowing Weaver to pitch 3 (!) more innings with their terrible at bats swinging at garbage pitches.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        The Yankees haven’t gotten beaten by anything yet.

  • Frigidevil

    This may sound crazy but are the Angels wearing helmets in the field?

    • Esteban

      I thought so too when I first saw them, but no, it’s supposed to look like they have halos on their hats.

      • Pat D

        Yea, way back in 1961, someone thought that was a good idea.

      • Frigidevil

        I’m not sure if that’s any better haha

  • Esteban

    If you could be one professional athlete (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, Soccer) of the last 20 years, who would you be?

    Jordan is a good choice I think. Then Jeter, then Tom Brady, then Leo Messi.

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      This doesn’t meet the criteria of your question but the only athlete I’ve ever truly wanted to see was Sandy Koufax.

      • JohnnyC

        Be not see.

        • Esteban

          haha. Tomayto Tomahto

        • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

          Sorry, bro, I’m on peyote.

          In that case…Brett Myers.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Buddy Carlyle

  • Matt

    The home plate umpire has single handedly changed the progression of this game by suddenly expanding the strike zone tremendously in the 5th inning.

    Weaver benefited the most from this kind of zone because of all the offspeed junk that he throws ends up just below the bottom of the zone and just off of the outside corner, where strikes were not being called all night until that point.

    Yankees hitters have been forced to swing at a lot of garbage pitches because pitches below the knees are all of a sudden strikes.

  • Cy Pettitte

    Booooooooooooooone?

  • CMP

    Why the hell isn’t Noesi pitching? Logan has sucked this year.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Real shortstop, pls.

  • CBean

    Boone Logan you are useless.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      No way, that ball should have been turned into an out.

  • Pat D

    Nice range, Derek.

  • Ivan

    Really Jeter. Even an average SS makes that play

  • CMP

    Another brilliant move by Girardi starting the inning with shithead Logan.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Logan did his job. The Yankees just don’t have a real shortstop to turn that into an out.

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      I’m assuming he brought him in primarily for Branyan. He didn’t anticipate being pinch hit for?? His managing is bad enough but it’s just sad to see him out-managed like that. A completely wasted pitching appearance.

  • Kostas

    The effectiveness of Boone Logan has been reduced to just a tall man on the mound.

  • http://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

    Seriously, what is the point of have Noesi in the pen if he is only gonna get used once or twice a month?

    • Esteban

      I think he’s the longman now. So he gets used in those spots. It happens a lot to young pitchers.

      • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

        What bothers me is if Joe would give him more high leverage innings, he may turn into a 2009 Phil Hughes.

        • Esteban

          Mayb in time, but I don’t think Noesi was the same caliber of prospect as Hughes, and Hughes had more time in the majors before getting TEH 8th inning job. Noesi’s pitched 9.1 innings in the majors. He should get a shot, but ‘m not gonna kill Girardi for not having already used Noesi in high leverage situations.

          • V

            I don’t see how ‘caliber of prospect’ has anything to do with how effective a guy might be as a one inning reliever.

            • Esteban

              Why not? When a manager is deciding on who to put in in high leverage situations, the quality of the pitcher (‘the caliber of the prospect’) should probably come into play, no?

  • Orlando

    Note to YES exec’s……please keep Bob Lorenz in the studio and away from the booth!!!

    p.s. Please bring Jim Kaat back

    • MikeD

      I’m fine with the first part of your statement. I never want to see Kaat back.

  • Orlando

    AYALA???……What is the use of having Noesi in the pen?

    • Jetrer

      why would you use the long man in the last inning?

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    D-Rob threw 14 pitches in the 7th and hasn’t pitched since Saturday. Why couldn’t he go 2 innings?

    • Orlando

      very true!

    • Esteban

      He’s pitched a lot so far, maybe they’re trying to keep his innings down.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Anytime you have a chance to intentionally walk a guy with a ~.300 OBP, you have to take it.

  • MikeD

    Ummm, a hit here and the game is effectively over. A better arm should be on the mound.

    • Esteban

      Luis Ayala hasn’t been bad this year. 1.69 ERA (246 ERA+), 1.3 WHIP, 7 K/9, 2.8 BB/9. He has to be able to pitch in situations like that with Soriano being out.

  • Kostas

    Can’t believe for as poorly as Weaver pitches the dominance that is the Yankees has three fucking hit. THREE?????

  • Orlando

    REALLY?????

  • Cy Pettitte

    AyaLOL

  • JohnnyC

    The old intentional HBP. Why waste 3 pitches anyway.

  • Orlando

    Girardi is trying to figure out a way to sneak Logan back on the mound…

  • Kostas

    So that IBB could prove to be very effective, for the Angels… now that bases are loaded.

    Girardi’s in game moves are just baffling at times.

    • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      He’s not a good manager.

      • Kostas

        Even if your being sarcastic, I agree. I never liked the hire and still thinks even if the Yanks win the WS, he needs to go.

        • JohnnyC

          You would have fired him after 2009?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Every single manager does stupid shit. Girardi actually does less than most managers, based on what I’ve seen over the last two years.

  • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

    I don’t really mind Bob. Kinda just calls the game, pretty cool. Its better than hearing about the shit Kay says that no1 cares about.

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      I miss Singleton and Coney.

      • http://www.facebook.com/cecala Joseph Cecala

        Yeah Cone and Oneill are my favorites

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    If Girardi was the Angles manager, Fernando Rodney would still be the closer.

  • Orlando

    Huge comeback here!!! Who’s with me?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      They’re down by one, it’s not that huge.

  • JohnnyC

    They say this guys throws 100.

  • Kostas

    Give it up… Arizona State with 3 runs in the bottom of the 9th. One step closer to Omaha.

    • King George

      I’m a proud ASU alum. Love it!

  • JohnnyC

    This guy’s a shoulder injury waiting to happen.

  • CBean

    I miss our homeruns.

  • CMP

    If Cano gets on do you pinch run Nunez?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Definitely.

    • CMP

      Moot point now.

  • V

    Robinson Cano would be an -all time great- if he had a better eye.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Everytime a player fouls a ball off their leg I think of Jermaine Dye.

  • V

    Swung at several ball fours.

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      You never know with that umpire back there…

  • Orlando

    nasty slider!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Oof. Nasty.

    • CMP

      That looked like the old Joba’s slider.

  • Pat D

    Cano is getting like Posada swinging over the top of the down and in breaking ball.

    • Esteban

      That was a great pitch in that situation. Can’t blame Robinson too much for that.

  • Matt

    Terrible at bat by Cano, even though he saw a lot of pitches. He hacked away on 3-1 when the pitcher had no idea where the ball was going. Girardi needs to put the red light on for guys like Cano in these situations. Instead of trying to take the walk that the pitcher was giving him, he went up there trying to do too much and predictably got himself out.

    • Jetrer

      You wanted Cano to have the take sign on 3-1??

      • Matt

        Without a doubt.

        You cannot trust Cano to swing at strikes anymore, and this pitcher had no idea where the ball is going. His stuff is so overpowering that even if you turn Cano loose, the chances are that he doesn’t hit the ball very hard because he has never seen this pitcher before, even if it is in the zone.

        I would have easily bet that the pitcher would throw 1 ball before he threw 2 strikes given his mechanics in that inning thus far, and he did. Once Cano got himself to 3-2 chasing ball 4, he was done for in that at bat because Walden’s stuff is too good and Cano would not take the walk in that situation.

        • Jetrer

          You want your better hitters to have a chance to hit in good hitters counts. Cano swung at bat pitches, but that is on him. IF he gets a good pitch to hit on 3-1, he should absolutely swing at it. You can’t have your best hitters going to the plate just hoping to draw a walk.

    • Orlando

      How do you explain putting the red light on 3-1 to your best hitter?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Hindsight, duh.

        • Orlando

          lol!!!

        • Matt

          It’s only hindsight when you don’t agree with my opinion.

          Everyone in the world knew that Cano would not be taking a walk there. He was barely holding up his swing on pitches that nearly hit him in that at bat.

          Walden has overpowering stuff, and erratic control. Which do you think would be more likely, a walk or a hard hit ball? Walden has not allowed a single home run in 20 or so innings pitched this year.

          It’s not hindsight, it’s being smart. Cano is hardly their best hitter right now, he has no plate discipline and gets himself out swinging at balls. And if he throws a strike on 3-1, so what. Walden could get you out even if he threw it down the middle because he throws 100 mph. Make him earn it.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Which do you think would be more likely, a walk or a hard hit ball?

            A hard hit ball, since he hit several that were foul.

            • Matt

              Here you are crying about hindsight, yet you invoke it right here. Cano had not swung at a pitch in that at bat up to that point. In fact, the body language on his takes suggested that he was having a hard time picking up the ball out of the pitcher’s hand.

              Leading off an inning in a 1-run game, you are taking there if you have the plate discipline of Robinson Cano. If it’s Teix or A-Rod, you can trust that they will only swing at a strike, but not Cano.

              It’s a typical Cano at bat. It looks good that he fouled off those pitches, but he was in that situation because he expanded the zone earlier on.

          • Jetrer

            So then what? You apparently think nobody could possibly hit Walden, so what tell everyone not to swing and hope he walks 4 batters?? Hitters counts are your best chance to hit good pitchers. Trying to prevent your own players from taking advantage of that is lunacy.

            • Matt

              No, that is not even close to what I am saying.

              I’m saying that Cano was not likely to hit Walden because:

              1) He visibly was struggling to pick up the ball, as evidenced by his late reaction to pitches that were nearly hitting him.

              2) He was not likely to swing at a strike.

              When a pitcher throws 100 mph and both of these conditions are in play, do you think the hitter is likely to square a ball up? I’m not asking for Cano to stand there until he throws 2 strikes or a ball. I’m asking for him to take ONE pitch, and make the pitcher earn it leading off the inning.

              If he throws a strike on 3-1, then you are still in a fastball count. Make him prove he can throw a strike before you start hacking away. Even the one called strike in that at bat was on a horrible call by the HP ump and was out of the zone.

              • Jetrer

                3-1 is a much better hitters count than 3-2. 3-1 you can grip it and rip it. 3-2 you have to protect the plate. Even if it is a fastball in both counts, there is a much better chance of doing damage with less than two strikes. BTW he struck out on a SLIDER in your fastball count.

                • Matt

                  Umm… Cano struck out on a slider after he fouled off FOUR 3-2 fastballs.

                  When in that entire at bat did Walden demonstrate that he was likely to throw a strike on 3-1? He nearly hit Cano on 2 pitches in that at bat on 1-1 and 2-1.

                  Cano was their best hitter last year, but he hasn’t been this year. Watch what he’s actually doing at the plate right now. Until he starts to show plate discipline again, you have to make him take some pitches in those spots.

                  Leading off the 9th inning, a walk is just as good as a single there. You don’t need to turn a free swinger loose on 3-1.

                  • Jetrer

                    You want Cano to walk and hope Swisher, Posada, or Gardner knock him in. I’d rather leave the game in the hands of better hitters. Free swinger or not, Cano is a better hitter than those guys.

                  • Jetrer

                    My point on the slider is Cano is more likely to chase that with 2 strikes than with one strike. Thats why letting the pitcher get to 2 strikes is an advantage to the pitcher. There is no reason to give a tough pitcher an extra advantage for free just because you don’t like the plate discipline of the hitter.

                    • Matt

                      And I know what you’re saying, but Cano is up there facing 100 mph heat. What makes you think he’s going to square that up even if he gets one out over the plate? He could have just as easily hit a lazy fly ball to left field even if he swung at a strike.

                      You have a better chance of getting on base if you force the pitcher to throw you strikes in that situation. The problem is, Cano is not going to do that on his own, because he’ll swing at borderline pitches that he can’t hit.

                    • Jetrer

                      But by giving him the free strike, your relying on Cano to lay off 3-2 pitches that are out of the zone. You don’t trust him to do it 3-1 when he has the advantage, but you think he will suddenly be patient and take a walk on 3-2. Obviously not as he swung at several 3-2 pitches out of the zone. Cano wasn’t going to walk there either way, unless you want to make him take on 3-2 as well.

                    • Esteban

                      Robinson Cano certainly has the talent to hit a 97 mph pitch.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                I’m not asking for Cano to stand there until he throws 2 strikes or a ball. I’m asking for him to take ONE pitch, and make the pitcher earn it leading off the inning.

                This entire conversation is pointless because the 3-1 pitch was most likely a strike anyway:

                http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=3.gif

                • Matt

                  It wasn’t a strike. If you watched them show the replay, it was a few inches above the belt. It was borderline at best, and I’d rather Cano take a close pitch for a strike because he’s not likely to square it up at 98 mph on the corner.

    • CMP

      That’s crazy talk.

    • Esteban

      What? Put a red light on Robinson Cano in 3-1 situations? That’s ridiculous. Sometimes players swing at bad pitches, it happens even to the players with the best eyes. It’s the nature of having less than half a second to decide to swing at a pitch going 95 MPH. I don’t think swinging at a ball, a ball that was not the worst pitch ever, proves that Cano was trying to do too much.

      • Matt

        Cano always swings at bad pitches. Why are you so surprised?

        This is the difference that a good manager can make in close games. Sometimes you have to save players from themselves. A player has to earn their right to a perpetual green light, whether on the bases or at the plate. Cano is hitting .278 right now and making a lot of outs on balls early in the count.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Good grief. So Cano hasn’t earned the perpetual green light? Did he just come up this year?

        • Esteban

          Bad managers are the ones that don’t allow their best hitters to hit in 3-1 counts.

          • Jetrer

            +100

          • Matt

            Or maybe you have to think a bit outside of the box instead of sitting on your butt waiting for things to happen all of the time?

            A bad manager is one who is too worried about protecting the egos of his players at the expense of winning ballgames.

            It’s unconventional, but when you weigh the scenario, it’s really not that out of the question. Nobody likes to hear things which go against the grain, but THINK about it for a little bit and it really does make sense.

            Do you really think Cano was going to hit this guy? Based on his entire at bat to that point, the guy’s numbers, Cano’s typical approach, yes or no? I doubt that you really thought the answer was yes, until you had to disagree with my post.

            • Esteban

              It’s against the grain to give a red light to one of the best hitters in the majors because that would be a bad idea, an idea that would likely cost you runs. Sometimes baseball conventions are stupid. This time is not one of them.

              • Esteban

                And to add to that, Cano is a career .348/.552/.587 hitter on 3-1 pitches, .287/.483/.468 after 3-1.

            • Jetrer

              Who in the lineup do you think can hit this guy then?? Cano had as much of a chance (really more of a chance) than any of the hitters behind him (possible exception being Martin). Would you rather take your chances with Cano or Swisher or Posada? Thats not a difficult choice if you really think about it.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              “Or maybe you have to think a bit outside of the box instead of sitting on your butt waiting for things to happen all of the time?

              I’m sorry, but saying a hitter should take 3-1 just in case the pitcher decides to work himself into trouble is the definition of “sitting on your butt and waiting for things to happen.” You’re contradicting yourself.

              • Matt

                What are you talking about?

                Walden had shown no ability to control his pitches in that at bat. He did not throw a single pitch in the zone, and nearly hit Cano twice.

                Walden was already working himself into trouble. His stuff is incredible, you are very unlikely to beat him by smoking his stuff all over the ballpark.

                The only way that you are going to beat a guy like Walden is to let him beat himself by walking guys and setting up your inning for you. By turning guys loose there, you’re helping him out. Let him walk you!

                You don’t need to swing in that situation. A walk is just as good as a single leading off that inning. Once runners are on base, then yes, you need to try to drive those runs home. But swinging away in that situation was unnecessary.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  So explain to me how forcing Cano to take the 3-1 pitch (by giving him the red light as you suggested) is different than “sitting on your butt and waiting for things to happen.”

                  By red lighting Cano, you’re just hoping Walden helps you out. It’s the same thing. You’re completely contradicting yourself.

                  • Matt

                    No, I’m not contradicting myself. You have completely missed the point.

                    I’m referring to the manager’s level of input into the strategy of his team. The manager can do nothing and wait for things to happen, aka just give the batters all green lights (“do whatever you feel like”) and dozing off until something happens, or they can micromanage and shift the strategy as things go along to try to force things on the field.

                    By taking on 3-1, you force the pitcher to throw a strike in that situation in which he had not demonstrated that he could yet. That’s not waiting for things to happen, that’s trying to make things happen by being smart. Cano did not swing at a strike until the 8th pitch of the AB.

                    • Jetrer

                      That 3-1 pitch was borderline but in the zone and most likely would have been called a strike. The seventh pitch was definitely a strike as well. Cano wasn’t walking there whether he took the 3-1 or not.

                    • Matt

                      Did you actually see the pitch live?

                      It was definitely not a strike. They showed the side angle of it and it was a few inches above the belt.

                      Pitch tracking is misleading if you don’t have a base of reference for the edges of the zone relative to what is on the screen.

        • Esteban

          Cano is batting (BA/SLG)
          First pitch: .327/.633
          0-1 count: .269/.269
          1-0 Count: .318/.545
          1-1 Count: .389/.833

          Cano seems to be hitting pretty well early in the count.

          • Matt

            Citing numbers blindly is misleading. How much of that came in April when he was showing the same kind of plate discipline that he had last season?

            Cano has lost control of the strike zone. Throw those numbers out the window. Watch what he is doing at the plate right now.

            • Jetrer

              Cano showed no plate discipline all year. Don’t distort the facts just to try to fit your narrative.

            • Esteban

              Well Cano’s walk rate was higher in May than in April (4.2%-2.9%) and actually saw more pitches (349) and balls (122) in May than in April (326,108). What do those numbers tell you?

              • Jetrer

                Stop trying to argue by using actual facts and start thinking “Out of the Box” damn you.

            • Matt

              I’m not distorting any facts, you guys are just offended by what I’m saying.

              Cite relevant statistics, and we can talk about it. Walk rate doesn’t mean that much if he is facing guys who throw him 4 straight pitches a foot off the plate and he doesn’t have to take the bat off of his shoulder.

              In May, Cano swung at 43.9% of pitches outside of the strike zone. In March/April, he swung at 37.2% of pitches outside of the zone. In fact, both of those rates are higher than any season of his major league career, but it’s gotten even worse in May.

              • Jetrer

                but you still think he would take a walk on 3-2 if he took the 3-1 strike. He had a much better chance of doing something good 3-1 than 3-2. I’d rather rely on Cano to do something in a good hitters count than to blindly hope that a pitcher throws a called ball on the 3-1 pitch.

                • Esteban

                  Agree, according to the Brooks graph Mike linked to, there were 6 pitches that AB that could have been called strikes.

                • Matt

                  Blindly hope?

                  He almost hit Cano twice in that at bat and had no idea where the ball was going!

                  And those pitches were not strikes. Inside and outside, pitch tracking works well because home plate is a fixed width. But you know very well that it isn’t entirely accurate on height. If you watched those pitches from the side, you could see that they were above the belt.

                  • Jetrer

                    It is blind hope because you have no control over where the pitcher throws the ball and you have no control over whether the umpire calls it a strike or not. Leaving your destiny completely in the hands of others is blind hope.

                    • Matt

                      The pitcher barely had any control over where he threw the ball either, which is exactly the point.

                      Your arguments would pertain a lot more to 3-2 than 3-1. You don’t need to take things into your own hands on 3-1, you have more pitches to work with still. Leading off an inning in a 1-run game, a walk is as good as a single. You don’t need to be swinging there, make the pitcher earn it to some extent.

                      Even if you want to say it’s 50-50 that he throws a 3-1 strike, those are better odds than Cano putting the ball in play.

                    • Jetrer

                      except that the chances of hitting a good pitcher are a lot better 3-1, than 3-2. That I don’t trust Cano’s strike zone judgement is exactly why I’d want him with a chance to swing in a good hitters count.

              • Esteban

                Yes, I am offended that someone thinks it’s a good idea to give a red light to Robinson Cano on a 3-1 count, especially when three inferior hitters were batting after him.

  • Orlando

    Love being hated by fans everywhere!!!

  • Guns of the Navarone (a mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    And now the ump is giving him a few inches off the plate… forget it.

  • V

    Awful game by the Yankees’ bats. After four this was the Yankees’ game to lose, and they lost it.

  • FIPster Doofus

    That game was fucking stupid.

  • bonestock94

    Fuck

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Meh, oh well. Go get ‘em tomor … later today.

    • Pat D

      Yes, please show up, offense.

  • CMP

    Nova vs Weaver, this result wasn’t unexpected. They can still take 2 of 3.

  • Kostas

    it has become a toss who is worse, Swisher, Gardner, Posada…either way, they are just killing this team.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Have you watched Swisher on the road trip? I’m guessing no.

      • Kostas

        Small sample size. He has been awful more than he has been good. don’t misunderstand, I like Swish but he has reverted to the 2008 Swish…

  • V

    What I don’t understand about Cano…

    In 2010, he had the most patient year in his career. He then had a career year.

    Now, he’s back to pre-2010 Cano. And it makes no fucking sense. Where did the patience disappear to? The “wait for your pitch and crush it”?

  • MikeD

    Oh, well. Back again tomorrow.

  • JohnnyC

    We’ll win tomorrow with CC on the bump. I just wish they’d play afternoon games on the West Coast.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Mike Estabrook’s strikezone was horrendous. All 25 Angles better run over and hive him a BJ.

  • http://salarydump.com Joltin’ Joe

    I fell asleep early and just woke up to see the last two innings… wish I was still asleep.

  • nsalem

    Our 5 against their 1. Close but no cigar. We fought the good fight. A livable loss.

    • Esteban

      NO WAY JOSE!!11 UNACCEPTABLE!!!11!!

  • nsalem

    How did you know my name was Jose???? Yankees will win the next two and fly home with a 6-3
    west coast trip which is quite acceptable.