Jun
04

Game 56: Bacck on tracck

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(Photo Credit: Flickr user Jay?? via Creative Commons license)

The Angels took yesterday’s series opener, but that’s it. They don’t get anything else and CC Sabathia will make sure of that. Here’s the lineup…

Derek Jeter, SS
Curtis Granderson, CF
Mark Teixeira, 1B
Alex Rodriguez, 3B
Robinson Cano, 2B
Russell Martin, C
Nick Swisher, RF
Jorge Posada, DH
Brett Gardner, LF

CC Sabathia, SP

The game begins shortly after 9pm ET and can be seen on YES locally or MLB Network nationally. Enjoy.

Categories : Game Threads
  • Mickey Scheister

    Let’s do the damn thing and stomp some Halos tonight! I’m an atheist for tonight son!

  • CMP

    The world would be a better place if a giant sinkhole opened up under Fenway and swallowed up the Red Sox and 40K of their fans. Hopefully it would happen during a Fox game of the week and get Tim Mccarver and Joe Buck too.

    • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      The Red Sox would bitch and moan and complain so much that Satan himself would grow tired of the whining and spit them back up.

      • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

        If that happened I at least hope Dustin Pedroia is left behind

        • Pat D

          Why?

          • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

            Because he’s Dustin Pedroia. And that means left in the sinkhole.

            • Pat D

              He’s such an ugly spud.

          • MannyGeee

            sooooooo he can save a seat for his pedophile brother…

            what? too soon?

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    You know hoe bad the other team’s announcers are when I prefer to listen to Lorenz/Flaharty. Hell, Nancy Newman is probably better than the Angles announcers. Although I’m kinda curious as to what people voted on the poll question. My money’s on the championships.

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      *how bad

    • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      I think one of the options should have been:

      They killed us in the 2009 ALCS

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Those Mets giveaway caps are hidious

  • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Ok 15 pitch AB plz

  • Pat D

    I never knew baby showers could be so tiring.

  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    If they win today they are assured at least a share of first place in the road trip and finishing above .500 for the road trip.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Just found this video of Bernie playing with Twisted Sister (!!!) at the Best Buy Theater. Ridiculously awesome.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHVepd6Xnx4

    • nedro

      Bernie playing “Take Me Out…” in Cooperstown >>>>>>>>>>> that piece of shit. If I knew how to post the link, I would. It’s righ on the same UTube page…

  • Pastadivingjeter

    7 pitch meh

  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    Meh. Not an awful AB.

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Why is it the yankees can score in the early innings but after 5 its hard for them?
    age?

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    That was a terrible jump.

  • A-Rod’s Wingman

    C’mon Curtis.

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Horrible call to steal there

    • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Why? Because he was caught?

      • Esteban

        Everything that doesn’t work out was a bad idea when you have hindsight.

      • Pastadivingjeter

        No you don’t need to take a chance with 2 of your best hitters up. It shows a team that feels desperate.

        • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

          So Curtis Granderson should never attempt to steal. Is that what you’re saying? There’s a difference between aggressive and desperate.

        • Jetrer

          An 80% basestealer trying to steal a base means the team is desperate???

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          He just got a bad jump, no big deal. Granderson steals at a high percentage, Santana allows a ton of steals, and Mathis isn’t all that good at throwing guys out.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Torii Hunter’s totally going to win the text poll.

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      What was the question?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Who was the best defensive center fielder in their prime: Torii, Andruw, or Vernon Wells.

        • CMP

          I think Andruw Jones was the best of those 3 and its not even close.

          • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

            I agree.

        • nedro

          Jones OWNED center field in ATL…

        • Ivan

          Why is Vernon Wells even mention in that group. He kinda sucked defensively as a CFer.

          And oh by the way, it has to be Jones right.

  • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Yeah very weird swings and it looks like the hitters can’t pick up the ball early at all.

  • mike_h

    freakin hate west coast games

  • CBean

    I hope CC can get some run support tonight!

    • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Yeah he might need it he doesn’t look sharp so far.

  • iloveyoubartolo

    Fielding percentage.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Fuck BABIP

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      The shortstop has to get to that.

      • Hummingbird S.

        Not Jeter..

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Yay Nick.

  • Esteban

    Is this part of Swisher’s resurgence?

  • Cy Pettitte

    Swish being productive makes me so happy. If that avg. gets up a little higher I can wear my Swisher shirsey again in public.

  • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Hip hip?

    • Mickey Scheister

      …..jorge…..*sigh*

  • Esteban

    Damn it Bourjos is so fast. Robbed JoPo of two hits in the last two games.

  • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Boo.

  • Jetrer

    fucking Gardner

  • Pat D

    Please stop sucking again, Brett.

  • CBean

    Some bring their Swisher home.

  • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Still trying to figure out just what Brett Gardner is…

    • Jetrer

      I’m rapidly losing faith

      • Bob Stone

        Me too.

  • Esteban

    Gardner either is an OBP machine or sucks. Sucked for the first three weeks until around April 20th, was on fire for almost a month, and now he can’t buy a hit again.

    • Pat D

      0 for the road trip, right?

      • Esteban

        Had 1 hit in Oakland.

    • Esteban

      Since he was .274/.344/.422 on May 23, he’s batting .048/.200/.048 and 0-1 today. Yikes

      #Fun with arbitrary endpoints.

      • MannyGeee

        TRADE HIIIIIIIIIM!

  • Cy Pettitte

    Weaver face > Scioscia face, imo.

  • Bob Stone

    Awright Cap’n.

  • Pat D

    Dammit.

  • MannyGeee

    RISPFAIL…. shitty

  • Hummingbird S.

    damn, unlucky check swing..

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Jesus curtis
    What is it about that ballpark and this team the the yanks can get the big hit (other than 2009 alcs)

  • Jetrer

    does anyone know what the high leverage split on fangraphs is based on? Whatever it is, Gardner has been awful: .059 wOBA and -81 wRC+

  • V

    Why the hell is ARod so shallow vs. Abreu?

  • MannyGeee

    why was A Rod in with 2 outs and Abreu up? looking for the 42 YO to bunt his way on?

  • V

    If an umpire takes a few seconds to make the call, he’s guessing.

  • MannyGeee

    and Abreu was out…. if Cano would remember to tag the fking guy.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    That should be an error on Cano

    • Jetrer

      +1
      and an error on Jeter yesterday

      • Esteban

        Errors don’t work that way. Or they never have in baseball.

        • Jetrer

          I know, but to me, missing the tag like that is just as bad as dropping the throw.

          • Esteban

            Is a good slide where the runner gets around the tag “missing” the tag? I think that distinction is the reason why “missing” the tag is not an error. Official scorers already have too much leeway with hits vs errors.

            • Jetrer

              but they could watch the replay and see if it was a great slide or just a head up his ass tag

  • Jetrer

    Alright, time for the pregame tagging drills

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Wouldbyou do this trade
    Gardner,joba,betance,romine for beltran and krod
    Stronger pen and more offensive of for yanks
    Mets get a servicable future catcher a closer and outfielder and leadoff guy when reyes gets traded.
    Plus a prospect 2-3 guy in betance

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      You’re giving up way too much. Gardner alone is too much for four total months (and millions and millions of dollars) of those two. K-Rod isn’t much better than what they have, he’s a baserunner machine.

      • Esteban

        He’s pretty good at not letting those baserunners score. Somehow.

      • Pastadivingjeter

        Beltran is having a good year and would deepen a great lineup.
        Krod needs a change of atmosphere and maybe mo and girardi can control him
        Gardner and joba are ?S at this point so you are really giving up a young catcher and pitcher at this point for a championship run and better bullpen options.

        • Jetrer

          Just because they could potentially help help doesn’t mean you let the mets rob you blind.

          • MannyGeee

            no just giving up Romine & joba for those 2 ultra expensive rentals is the Mets robbing you blind… throwing in Joba and Becantes is bordering on date rape

            • MannyGeee

              Gardner & Becantes… sorry

    • Jetrer

      hell no. Both Beltran and esp. KRod would be salary dumps basically. You are giving up way, way too much.

    • Cy Pettitte

      you sound like a Mets fan who calls into Francesa

    • MannyGeee

      nope and nope. K Rod beats up old guys, he wouldn’t make it a week in the Yankees clubhouse… *zing*

    • FIPster Doofus

      God, no. That’s just awful for the Yankees.

      • Pastadivingjeter

        Mo
        Soriano
        Krod
        Robertson
        Logan
        Nova (assuming hughes returns)
        Thats a good pen
        Beltran would be the 2nd best hitter on the yankees

        • Jetrer

          not saying those guys could not help (though I’m not sure KRod is that much of an upgrade over Joba), but your giving up way too much to get them. Just one of the four you listed might be enough

      • MannyGeee

        this trade would be the exact opposite of getting younger for the long term. no thanks

    • CMP

      Why not throw in ManBan and Montero too?

  • MannyGeee

    hey, you know whats funny? Torii Hunter used to be good! The Halos really dodged a bullet by not signing Crawford to give you that EXACT same production for the next 7 seasons…

  • tom

    Don Baylor.

    An easy one for us old timers

    • Pat D

      What was the question?

      • tom

        Former Yankee who was the first Angels MVP

        And, as they just mentioned, Ken Singleton ran second

        • Pat D

          Oh, yea, fairly easy.

          Singleton was more deserving than Baylor.

  • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Ho hum

  • Hummingbird S.

    comon Robbie, gotta hit that hanger… that was a cookie

    • Esteban

      Happy now?

  • V

    Blegh, I hate official scorers. An error called a hit, a passed ball called a wild pitch, and Axford is about to be saddled with an ER if this run scores.

  • CMP

    .317 OBP for Robbie. I hope that means he’s gonna have a monster 2nd half.

  • Pat D

    Ha ha, Hunter.

  • Cy Pettitte

    lol Torii, he gone.

  • MannyGeee

    wow…. that was awesome on a bunch of levels

    • MannyGeee

      aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he landed on a fat Yankees fan. merry xmas to me

  • Ben from Stanford

    I was just thinking a Robbie homer would be nice

  • V

    Ok. That. Was. Awesome.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Homerun of the year.

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Get torri a ticket for that seat

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    2 home runs there: the ball and Torii Hunter

  • CBean

    I just said “I miss having toomanyhomeruns as a problem” when Robbie hit that.

  • mbonzo

    Instead of a ball that Yankee fan caught a Torii Hunter.

    • sangreal

      No offense, but if Lorenz/Flaherty are using your joke it isn’t a good sign.

      • Jetrer

        +1

      • mbonzo

        Not my fault they stole my joke, however lame it was.

  • Jetrer

    Torii Hunter taking out old guys in the stands now. I thought he was supposed to be such a nice guy.

  • MannyGeee

    and by the way, Papelbon is everything thats wrong with baseball. what a douche

    • Cy Pettitte

      why did he rush the HP ump after a called strike? should at least wait for a shitty call.

      • MannyGeee

        he had just given up 4 runs and blew the game wide open. he was just being the dick we all know he is.

  • http://www.CarlsYankeeDugout.com Carl

    That actually shocked me. I guess Torii wanted that ball real bad.

  • Hummingbird S.

    what a weak ass throw

  • Cy Pettitte

    Jeter….ugh

  • Esteban

    I never thought about Granderson’s arm, but now that there was an article (right?) about outfield arms, that’s a good example of him not having a great arm.

    • CMP

      For a second I thought that was Bernie throwing a 5 hopper into 2nd base.

      • SamWalt

        I saw Bernie at the Delta Dugout thing and he was making fun of himself for having such a terrible throwing arm. He pretended to throw his water bottle at Mr. Met and then he said (kind of to himself) “even when I as playing I probably couldn’t hit him”.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Jeter……

  • mbonzo

    Way to ruin the 1 run lead right away defense.

    • mbonzo

      Way to *TRY* to ruin the 1 run lead right away, defense.

  • Cy Pettitte

    put that run on Jeter’s ERA

    • Hummingbird S.

      Grandy’s weak throw did not help

  • mbonzo

    Went to a brewery this afternoon and saw someone who looked exactly like one of Axisa’s twitter pics. They had a Yankee iPhone case and it looked like a Charleston hat on. I rechecked his the picture and it wasn’t him. Totally disappointed :(

  • CBean

    It’d just be nice if we could bring our players in when they’re on 3rd.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    You know, I might be interested in the Bat Day if the bat didn’t have a Bank Of America logo.

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Double steal ( just kidding)

  • Jetrer

    way to go Cap’n Clutch

    • Cy Pettitte

      Cap’n Crunch > Cap’n Clutch

  • Hummingbird S.

    so predictable

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Four more years baby. Well, three and two-thirds, really.

  • Mojo

    Electric Offense!

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Serious bad at bat by jetes come on work the pitcher

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    So frustrating, I can’t even think of a creative Jeter comment.

  • Cuso

    First pitch. that was a guaranteed outcome.

  • Jimmy

    Jeter.

  • Pastadivingjeter

    I wonder if jeter will retire if we win it all this year.

    • mbonzo

      Despite all the Jeter hate, he’s still well above average for SS in the AL imo.

      • Esteban

        Fangraphs has him at .5 WAR or 3rd worst in the AL among SS.

        • mbonzo

          Again, its just an opinion, but when you look at his numbers and his BABIP I think he’s till above average. Would you really take Jed Lowrie over Jeter?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Yes, I’d definitely take Lowrie over Jeter.

            • mbonzo

              Moneywise, yes. Jeter should still have a much better year.

          • Esteban

            Yes. He gets hurt a lot, so I’d be worry about that, but almost certainly he’ll be a more productive player this year and the net 3 years.

            • mbonzo

              I might be in denial, but players shouldn’t got from a 20% LD rate to almost 10% in a year. BABIP don’t typically drop .60 beyond career levels. Yes he’s getting old, but I don’t he’s hit a brick wall. I still think he’s a product of SSS.

              • Esteban

                It was 16.1% last year. Maybe it goes up to 16% again, but I think that’s unlikely. even if if goes up to 13 or 14%, the Jeter we knew and loved is gone.

                • mbonzo

                  I still think its too soon to say that.

                  /indenialbutidontcare

      • Jetrer

        17th in wOBA, tied for 16th in fWAR, so close to average, but def not above average

        • Jetrer

          thats overall in MLB. see Esteban’s comment above. Only better than Cliff Pennington and Alcides Escobar in AL

          • mbonzo

            So you’d really take Brendan Ryan, Jed Lowrie, and Erick Aybar over Jeter? Aybar would be iffy, but Jete’s babip is gonna go up. His line drive rate won’t stay so low.

            • Jetrer

              over the next 4 years, I’d take almost anybody over Jeter at short. I think Jeter is still passable now, but he’s only going downhill and its really going to be ugly over the next few years.

              • mbonzo

                If we’re talking about the Yankees, I’d take Jeter. They can afford him and he’s not gonna be that much worse than half these guys in 4 years.

            • Esteban

              His LD% might go up a bit, but how much do you expect it to? 16.1% last year, 11.7% this year. When players get to a certain age, you can’t always expect for them to bounce back to what they were. It’s possible and likely that Jeter’s age has eroded his skills so that his LD% won’t rebound much from where they are.

              • mbonzo

                Its possible, buts extraordinarily rare to go from kick ass to absolutely suck. I think we’re jumping down his throat, especially when we see his saber number.

                • Esteban

                  Part of the problem in diagnosing his decline is how great he was in 2009. If you take out 2009, his decline is more apparent.
                  Which looks like the outlier

                  19.9% 2007
                  17.9% 2008
                  20.3% 2009
                  16.1% 2010
                  11.7% 2011.

                  The 11.7% is steep, but part of the general trend.

                  His GB% has also been over 65% the last two years, HR/FB is down to 4.5%. I don’t think there’s much to look at in Jeter’s numbers that suggest a big rebound at age 36/37

                  • mbonzo

                    The problem I have is 15 years of awesome v. 1 crappy year and one cold 1/3 season. Trust me, if he’s bad after this season I’ll join the Jeter is too old club but I’m a patient person. Sure you can take out 2009, but you could also take out 2010, and this just becomes a slump.

                    • Jetrer

                      except he was down in 2008 as well

                    • Esteban

                      Except Jeter is 36 almost 37. It’s increasingly unlikely that he’s gonna return to the high standards he set for himself.

                    • mbonzo

                      I don’t think he’ll be a .354 babiper like his career numbers say, but .320-.310 wouldn’t be far off from what I think he’s capable at 37. That would mean he’ll hit around .290.

  • CMP

    Tough choice so far for Angels Most valuable player of the game between Santana and Jeter.

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

      Jeter in a landslide.

      • Pat D

        Clearly Jeter at this point. Can’t vote for a guy who gives up 2 HR’s.

  • http://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

    Swish is definitely an adventure out there but he gets the job done.

    • Pastadivingjeter

      Sometimes it looks like beer league softball out there.

  • Ivan

    Swisher with the defense.

  • V

    I’m tired of watching ARod stand there and watch singles go past him :-(

  • CBean

    Why can’t we get Abreu out?

    • Jimmy

      Because we’re playing in Anaheim.

  • http://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

    That’s twice now bobby has ripped one through the left side while Jeter and A Rod just stood there.

    • http://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

      To be fair, neither one really had a chance but damn.

  • CMP

    52% of the people who took that poll have no clue what they’re talking about.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Shit, I missed it. What were the results?

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

        48 percent Andruw
        43 percent Torii
        9 percent Vernon

        • FIPster Doofus

          Well, at least the right guy won.

          • Pat D

            I’d say Hunter drew so much because everyone remembers him robbing Bonds at the ASG.

            • FIPster Doofus

              Yep. He was a “Web Gems” fixture for a long time.

      • CBean

        Andruw Jones by 48%

      • sangreal

        Andruw Jones – 48%
        Torii Hunter – 43%
        Vernon Wells – 9%

  • Cy Pettitte

    that is one confused kid

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Abomb

  • Ivan

    NICE!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pat D

    I need to get that version of the Angels hat that the kid with the ARod jersey has.

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

    This broadcast is narcolepsy-like.

    • sangreal
      • Jetrer

        wow that was awful. Why is Joe Buck still allowed to broadcast games. He obviously doesn’t give a shit anymore. If he ever did give a shit.

      • Pat D

        Jesus, and that’s his team.

        I guess he just really, truly doesn’t give a shit about baseball. In which case, we really need to somehow get his ass fired.

        But I’ll allow Mr. Loggia to sum up my feeling of that call.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWoFIjStQk

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

        Wait, let’s backtrack. First I have to watch a yogurt ad AND then I hear that?

        Cruel, man. Cruel.

  • Esteban

    Woohoo. Yes! The Power’s coming back(?)!!!!

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    An A-Bomb!
    That hopefully will destroy the Angles

  • Jimmy

    3 more home runs from A-Rod.

    I called 4 this series.

  • Esteban

    Was Lorenz’s HR call really “Did you get a shot of that one?”. Wow that’s bad.

    • Ivan

      He was referring to the Kid with the A-Rod Jersey and Angel cap on.

      • Esteban

        Yeah, I guess so. I really hope he doesn’t make that part of his repertoire.

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

      It’s just a very awkward presentation overall.

  • http://Www.or.ly JM

    Oh boy, here come the Halos Heaven conspiracies. “A-Rod’s cousin is giving him more steroids!”

    • FIPster Doofus

      I heard “A-Rod’s cousin is giving A-Rod and Colon steroids” the other day.

      • FIPster Doofus

        ^From a Red Sox fan. I forgot to add that in my previous post.

  • Ivan

    Take us home CC, take us home!!!1

  • Jimmy

    lol at the little kid with the Angels hat, Jeter shirt, and A-Rod Jersey on.

  • Ivan

    Tex=Best defensive 1st baseman in MLB….yeah I said it.

    • Pastadivingjeter

      Agon and pujols might have something to say.

      • mbonzo

        Agon and Pujoles are overrated if you ask me. Its just people surprised they can field because they can hit. Tex is in this club too btw, but I’ll still take his defense amongst the 3.

        • V

          You are wrong. You are so wrong.

          Pujols is -amazing- to watch at 1B. Best ranged 1B I’ve -ever- seen on pop ups and slow grounders.

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Wow angels must have plans after the game nice quick inning

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

      They plan to trade Mike Trout, Hank Conger, Jered Weaver and Walden for Beltran and K-Rod. They want to make a quick one out of it.

  • Cy Pettitte
  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
    • mbonzo

      Thats how you hug a man.

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Gritner getting hot again

  • Pat D

    At least Derek can’t DP here.

    I think.

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

    With two outs, can Jeter still manage to ground into a DP?

    • SamWalt

      Yes, provided that there is also a runner in scoring position. The official scorer automatically pencils it in.

  • Pastadivingjeter

    Jeter needs to find arods cousin.
    Or cameron diaz

  • Jon A

    Swish and Gardner have hit the ball fairly well tonight. Hopefully this continues.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Wow, Canucks.

    • Pat D

      Guess they were offended by the concept of “overtime.”

    • Esteban

      I care very little about hockey, but I’m all for any team denying a Boston team a championship.

    • FIPster Doofus

      I love how the guy who should’ve been suspended was the hero. Fuck Boston.

  • Mojo

    Eeek! That was ugly.

  • Jimmy

    Curtis needs to make an adjustment bad.

    Attack those sloppy get me over breaking pitches for strike 1.

  • V

    Blegh.

    He went, but that home plate umpire calling check swing strikes still pisses me off.

  • Pat D

    Well, BRef doesn’t have Jeter tied with Sam Rice.

    • V

      BRef doesn’t adjust in real time.

      • V

        But I see what you mean. (2984+1) 2987.

        • Pat D

          Yea, I’ve been wondering from where YES gets its info. Elias maybe?

        • V

          Had the ‘not equals sign’ in there.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/486240-arad-markowitz Mantle28

    Hey Mike, what’s the difference between bWAR, fWAR, and regular WAR? Thanks

    • Esteban

      bWAR is Baseball Reference’s version of WAR.
      fWAR is fangraph’s
      I think Baseball Prospectus has their own version, but since it’s a pay site, and not as well organized, I don’t use it.

      The difference is based on their own measures of defense and what they numbers they use for pitchers.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      bWAR = baseball-reference WAR
      fWAR = fangraphs WAR

      bWAR uses results for pitching, like runs allowed. fWAR uses fielding independent metrics, like K, BB, and HR rates. They also calculate defensive value differently for position players.

      • Pat D

        Do you know why it is that Fangraphs doesn’t have WAR data for pitchers pre-1980 or so?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          I do and I forgot it. They’re missing some kind of piece of info to complete the calculation, I just forget what exactly.

        • mbonzo

          UZR is a part of fWAR and I think thats the reason that you can’t find fWAR that early. Just a guess.

          • mbonzo

            Found this on Fangraphs.

            2. Calculating Defense: Each system uses a different defensive metric. fWAR uses UZR, while rWAR uses TotalZone (developed by Sean Smith). UZR is more accurate but is only available from 2002 onward, while TotalZone values can be calculated for any player in baseball history.

    • mbonzo

      rWAR is also a bref stat but a product of baseball projection I think. All these numbers on different scales so don’t try to compare.

  • Pastadivingjeter

    CC DEALING!

  • Jimmy

    CC’s pitching like he wants 25 million a year for 7 years.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Sabathia can totally finish this one off. He’s at ~85 pitches through seven. He could probably go ten if needed.

    • mbonzo

      Can is the key word. Girardi will over-manage in the 9th.

  • Cy Pettitte

    CG win please

  • Jimmy
  • Karim Garcia

    lol @ Mo listening to Cervelli

    • Cy Pettitte

      you know he can’t wait for the 9th

    • Mickey Scheister

      Everyone always looks so uninterested when Cervi is animatedly talking their head off.

  • mbonzo

    Is it ok to like Torii Hunter again?

    Is he still overrated?

    • Esteban

      Since people probably don’t talk about him like a great player anymore, he’s probably not overrated now. He certainly was for a few years. Above average-very good player. Never great.

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

        Didn’t he have a pseudo-racism tirade a few years back?

        • Esteban

          “People see dark faces out there, and the perception is that they’re African American,” Hunter says. “They’re not us. They’re impostors.

          “Even people I know come up and say, ‘Hey, what color is Vladimir Guerrero? Is he a black player?’ I say, ‘Come on, he’s Dominican. He’s not black.’ ”

          http://otrsportsonline.com/201.....-ignorant/

          • mbonzo

            Stupid use of words, not racist though.

      • mbonzo

        Yea, he was always above average but I couldn’t deal with all my friends going crazy over him. He seems to have a great attitude, and I feel like he’s gonna be a big part of an organization once he retires.

  • Ivan

    Wow A-Rod that was right down the middle.

  • Mojo

    One of these days the Yanks are going to start murdering the opposing bullpen again. I await in eager anticipation.

  • CBean

    ugh I forgot about the rally monkey.

  • Esteban

    Ugh, wtf is up with Abreu killing CC tonight?

  • FIPster Doofus

    Abreu is still a hell of an offensive player, even without power.

    • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

      According to wOBA (.350), he’s the 26th best offensive outfielder.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Ahead of guys like Werth, CarGo and Stubbs, tied with Willingham, and directly behind Soriano and Adam Jones. Not bad for a 37-year-old.

        • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

          I don’t think it’s that he’s a “hell of an offensive player” so much as it’s he’s been a really, really good offensive player with such consistency for so long.

          • FIPster Doofus

            Sabathia has pitched to a 0.21 ERA over his last four starts. Jesus.

            • FIPster Doofus

              Oops. Reply fail.

          • FIPster Doofus

            That’s fine. “Hell of an offensive player” and “really, really good” = close enough to the same in my book.

  • Ivan

    Ugh, you gotta pitch Abreu inside CC. At this point of Abreu’s career, I have a hard believing he can turn on a inside fastball.

  • Jimmy

    Big batter right here.

    GJ CC.

  • Jetrer

    why Joba??

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Do you not see what inning it is?

      • Jetrer

        I still haven’t completely given up hope that Joe will abandon the binder for common sense.

  • Jimmy

    Huge batter right here.

    I hate Howie Kendrick.

  • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Last guy on the Angels roster I want to see up right now.

  • Jimmy

    Hell yeah CC and Tex!

  • Cy Pettitte

    lol Teix went into panic mode when he realized it was CC on the mound.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    I hope Joe will let CC go for a CG

    • sangreal

      I wouldn’t bet on it. Gotta go to Mo

    • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

      Joba’s already been warming.. I bet he comes in.

      • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

        Jesus it’s late. Of course Mo would come in if any reliever did.

  • Esteban

    Heh, Teix almost didn’t get to the base with the slide.

  • Jon A

    Just out of curiosty would anybody happen to know CC’s GB/FB ratio?

    • V

      For the game? The season? His career?

      • Jon A

        Just this game. My apologies.

  • CBean

    CC for 9th?

    • mbonzo

      Agreed. Although I would have Mo warming up slowly in case CC runs in to trouble.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Please send CC back out for the ninth.

    • Bob Stone

      Definitely!

    • http://www.CarlsYankeeDugout.com Carl

      After those singles given up against Abreu and Callaspo? And this is a save situation.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        They were ground balls that had eyes, and the 7-8-9 hitters are due up.

  • http://www.CarlsYankeeDugout.com Carl

    99 pitches after 8 innings, but this is a save situation. I say tough call yet again.

    • Bob Stone

      if he falters you bring in Mo.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Well, Mo’s not warming up. This is all CC.

  • mbonzo

    I’m pretty sure Mo wants to punch Cervelli right in his grit.

  • Jetrer

    Mo looks like he wants to shoot himself for having to listen to Cervelli.

  • CBean

    Ha, Mo’s face at Cervelli!

  • Cy Pettitte

    Mo is practicing some serious zen baseball.

    • Bob Stone

      He is the baseball zen master.

  • Dela G

    lolz at mariano rivera

  • Cy Pettitte

    oh my god they’re doing the wave…

    • Bob Stone

      I thought that died in the ’80′s but unfortunately it was replaced with those damn rally sticks in some baseball stadiums and those awful uvealas (sic) in soccer and let’s not forget the annoying cowbells in Tampa Bay.

      • Esteban

        vuvuzelas.

        • Bob Stone

          Thanks.

  • Dela G

    wow that was not a strike 3 on swisher

  • Jetrer

    looked like ball 4

  • mbonzo

    That was outside, but if he’s gonna call that for CC I’ll take it.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    If CC allows a baserunner, then we’ll probably see Mo

    • Bob Stone

      Probably – Mo’s warming up.

  • http://www.CarlsYankeeDugout.com Carl

    Well, here we go. Back out for the bottom of the 9th.

  • Bob Stone

    Dickerson for Swisher for defense?

  • Jimmy

    A-Rod baby!

  • Jetrer

    very nice play ARod

  • Bob Stone

    C’mon CC – one more out.

  • Ivan

    Great play by A-Rod.

  • Esteban

    Haha, people were complaining earlier in the game about ARod “watching groundballs go by him”

    • V

      You’re really annoying.

      • Esteban

        Why? Was that you?

  • Ivan

    either way this is CC last batter.

  • Jimmy

    Come on CC one more out!

  • Cy Pettitte

    Jeter….

  • mbonzo

    Leave him in please.

    • mbonzo

      A:LJHFKLJHDLKJHDFLKJBDNFM<NDBKFDOIU#@)*#$

      Because CC was getting hit so hard.

  • V

    What the hell, is Jeter running through molasses out there?

    And Joe Girardi – FUCK YOU.

    • Mojo

      Seriously. It’s just painful to watch.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    uggh….fuck BABIP

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      And Jeter

  • Ivan

    SMFH, they have been killin CC with these bitch ass singles.

  • Esteban

    Oh what the hell. Two nothing hits.

  • Pat D

    What the fuck was that, Derek?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Sabathia’s thrown 33.2 of 36 possible innings in his last four starts.

    • mbonzo

      But Colon is better since he pitched the CGSO, also stem cells.

      /s

  • Jimmy

    Man what the hell was that?

  • Bob Stone

    That’s the second run Jeter cost the Yanks in this game. No range to his left. I hate to say it but Jeter is looking very old.

    • Ivan

      Thank you for stating the obvious.

      • Bob Stone

        Thanks for having an acute sense of the readily apparent.

  • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin’ mothafucka, mothafucka!)

    Yeah, CC’s defense really helped him out. Great commentary by Lorenz and Flaherty.

  • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

    Jeter should just throw his glove at balls not hit directly at him at this point in his career.

  • V

    Girardi has to insert himself into the game. Fucking imbecile.

    • Esteban

      I don’t think this move is ridiculous.

      • V

        I do.

        • V

          And of course you don’t. You should just change your login to ‘Devil’s advocate’.

          • Esteban

            Why was it ridiculous. CC had thrown a bunch of pitches. Mariano’s a great reliever. I wouldn’t have been upset either way, but to call Girardi a “fucking imbecile” for putting Mariano Rivera in, when he had already warmed up, is ridiculous to me.

            • V

              107 pitches for CC is a “bunch”? He’s hardly getting hit around. If he had a shortstop that didn’t need a walker to get around the game would be over.

              Between last night and tonight I’ve seen you insert yourself into seemingly 10 different posts merely to disagree with someone.

              • V

                And please don’t bother responding to me. I’m out.

              • Esteban

                Ok, it’s a blog comment section, what the fuck am I supposed to do? Only say +1 and I agree? I don’t think I’m disrespectful to people and I try to provide evidence most of the time. Maybe you don’t like it because I disagree with you, but I assure you it’s not just for the sake of disagreeing with you.

                • V

                  “last word”

          • Esteban

            I didn’t disagree with you to be a pain in the ass or a devil’s advocate, but because I didn’t agree that Girardi was a fucking imbecile for bringing in Mariano Rivera. Is your position the only reasonable one?

            • V

              “last word”.

              • Pasqua

                He’s rubber, you’re glue. Whatever you say bounces off him and sticks to you.

        • Jetrer

          Bringing in Mo is never a bad move. Its not always necessary, but never a bad move.

  • CBean

    I’m just not a fan of defensive indifference in such close games.

  • Dela G

    well that sucked. so effing lucky

    gettem mo

  • Bob Stone

    CC deerved the complete game win. The defense has let him down many times this year.

    • Bob Stone

      *deserved

    • V

      To be ‘fair’, the defense is what it is: awful. And Jeter/ARod aren’t going to get better.

      • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

        A-Rod has been eons from awful defensively this year.

    • Esteban

      They won so I doubt CC is that upset. If he is, then he’s pretty selfish.

    • MT

      They posted a statistic during game that Yankees have 12 errors behind CC – most for any pitcher in baseball (not sure whether that stat was before or after Jeter error leading to first run.)

      Also will one of the reporters ask Jeter how he can not come anywhere close to a three hopper through the middle of infield?

      (They always say about Jeter – he many not have range but he will catch everything hit to him (unlike some other shortstops with better range) – that error was hit right to him – hopefully that skill will also not start to degrade.

  • Jimmy

    Wooo big win!

  • Cy Pettitte

    1 pitch 1 out 1 save

    ultimate zen baseball

  • Pat D

    Cheapest of the cheap saves.

    • Bob Stone

      Definitely.

  • Ivan

    Dat was quick.

    • Bob Stone

      Great spelling.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    Hooray for one pitch saves.

    • Bob Stone

      Love it.

  • Xstar7

    Heh, Mariano only needed to throw 1 pitch.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Tommorow:
    “Mo threw lots of pitches last night. We needed to rest him”

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      -Joe Girardi

    • Mojo

      Hahaha. I hate Girardi.

  • Dela G

    well that was easy

    ballgame

  • mbonzo

    Too many homeruns.

  • deeznutz

    Solid win. I’d kind of liked to see CC get the last out though.

  • Bob Stone

    Bullshit interview. Question about Mo picking up the save but no question about Jeter screwing up CC’s chance for a complete game win.

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Yes, I can just picture Kim Jones asking, “So how about that piece of shit Derek Jeter blowing your complete game win? How does that make you feel?”

      • Bob Stone

        I’d love that but it isn’t happening in your lifetime or mine. Only Howard Cosell would ask a question like that and God bless him he is long gone.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    That was a nice, quick, well-played baseball game. Nice.

  • first time lawng time

    Expected a much longer inning and for Mo to make things intersesting.

    I prefer one-pitch saves though. =)

  • http://www.CarlsYankeeDugout.com Carl

    And we have ourselves a winning road trip. Regardless of what happens tomorrow, I call it a success. The 4 straight wins from salvaging in Seattle to sweeping in Oakland helped the cause.

    • Bob Stone

      I was hoping at the start of the trip that it wouldn’t be a losing trip. I am happy.

  • FIPster Doofus

    Sabathia’s ERA over his last four starts: 0.21.

    • nsalem

      and a .723 WP as a Yankee not that it means anything

    • FIPster Doofus

      Also, a FIP of 2.36 if I calculated it right. That’s not nearly as impressive as the 0.21 ERA, but it’s still awesome.

      • Jetrer

        check your math on the era. He gave up 4ER 3 starts ago. I got 1.60 – still awesome.

        • FIPster Doofus

          Yeah, I royally screwed up the calculation. Disregard.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Bad math. Never mind.