Horne gets rocked in return to Double-A

Game 73: Right back at it
Yanks get blown out in nightcap to end NL trip

Another day, another set of bullet points…

  • David Phelps is on the disabled list with a shoulder issue. He got smacked around pretty hard last night, so hopefully this is just something minor.
  • Wilkins Arias was also placed on the disabled list for an unknown reason, though it’s a legit injury since Double-A Trenton was already playing with a 23-man roster. No phantom DL this time.
  • The Yankees signed veteran infielders Mike Lamb and Terry Tiffee to minor league contracts for depth reasons. Triple-A Scranton is pretty beat up and could use some warm bodies.
  • Keith Law was at last night’s Short Season Staten Island game and spoke about it in today’s Baseball Today Podcast (listen here). It’s safe to say he isn’t a Cito Culver fan; he said Culver can’t hit from the left side of the plate and struggled in the field, enough so that he might be a second baseman long-term. The prospect stuff starts around the 22:00 mark, the Culver stuff around 25:30.

Now to the games…

Triple-A Scranton (5-3 loss to Norfolk)
Doug Bernier, SS: 1 for 4, 1 R
Luis Nunez, 2B & Austin Krum, CF: both 0 for 4, 1 K
Jordan Parraz, RF: 0 for 4, 1 R
Jesus Montero, C: 1 for 3, 1 K, 1 HBP – that’s only his second strikeout in his last 30 plate appearances
Brandon Laird, 1B: 3 for 4, 1 R, 1 HR, 3 RBI – he’s making a run at a .700 OPS, he’s about 30 points shy at the moment
Greg Golson, LF & P.J. Pilittere, DH: both 1 for 4 – Golson threw a runner out at second
Kevin Russo, 3B: 2 for 4, 1 2B, 1 K
D.J. Mitchell, RHP: 6 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 7-5 GB/FB, 1 E (pickoff) – 60 of 100 pitches were strikes
Eric Wordekemper, RHP: 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 0-2 GB/FB – 22 of 33 pitches were strikes (66.7%)
Josh Schmidt, RHP: 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 3-0 GB/FB – half of his 18 pitches were strikes

Double-A Trenton (11-4 loss to Portland)
Ray Kruml, CF: 2 for 4, 1 3B, 1 BB, 1 K – seven for his last 14 (.500)
Corban Joseph, 2B: 3 for 4, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 RBI, 1 BB – 17 for his last 37 (.459) with six doubles, a triple, and a homer
Rob Lyerly, 1B: 0 for 5, 4 K – ouch
Cody Johnson, DH: 1 for 5, 1 RBI, 3 K
Bradley Suttle, DH: 1 for 4, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 E (throwing)
Jose Pirela, SS: 2 for 4, 1 R, 1 K, 1 CS
DeAngelo Mack, LF & Jason Place, RF: both 0 for 3, 1 HBP – Mack struck out … Place scored a run and whiffed twice
Alan Horne, RHP: 0 IP, 1 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 5 BB, 0 K – 14 of 37 pitches were strikes (37.8%) … it’s probably just rust, yeah that’s it
Craig Heyer, RHP: 6.1 IP, 8 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 1 HB, 8-5 GB/FB – 61 of 101 pitches were strikes (60.4%)
Brad Halsey, LHP: 1.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 2-0 GB/FB – 15 of 24 pitches were strikes (62.5%)

High-A Tampa‘s game was suspended due to lightning. They were tied at two in the tenth inning, but a continuation date has yet to be announced. Here’s the box score, I’ll do a full update when they actually finish the game.

Low-A Charleston is off until tomorrow for the All-Star break.

Short Season Staten Island was rained out. Looks like they’re going to make this game up next Tuesday.

Rookie GCL Yanks (8-3 loss to GCL Blue Jays)
Ravel Santana, CF: 1 for 3, 2 R, 1 B, 2 K, 1 E (fielding)
David Adams, 2B: 1 for 2 – I guess they’re going very slow with his rehab, he was lifted after five innings in the field
Taylor Anderson, 2B: 0 for 2
Dante Bichette Jr.: 0 for 2, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K – still waiting on that first hit, but he’s drawn a walk in every game so far
Tyler Austin, 3B: 3 for 4, 1 2B, 1 RBI – 7-for-12 (.583) so far
Isaias Tejeda, C: 1 for 3, 1 K, 1 PB
Tyson Blaser, C: 0 for 1, 1 RBI
Danny Lopez, LF & Henry Pena, RF: both 0 for 4 – Lopez struck out three times, Pena four … Lopez also committed a fielding error
Fu-Lin Kuo, 1B: 1 for 4, 1 2B, 1 K
Jose Rosario, SS: 0 for 4, 2 K
Reynaldo Polanco, RHP: 3 IP, 7 H, 7 R, 6 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 2 WP, 4-0 GB/FB, 1 E (pickoff) – birthdate: May 20th, 1993 … yep
George Isabel, RHP: 2 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 1 WP, 2-2 GB/FB
Danny Martinez, LHP: 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 1 WP
Mariel Checo, RHP: 1 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 0-1 GB/FB
David Triplet, RHP: 1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 0-2 GB/FB

Game 73: Right back at it
Yanks get blown out in nightcap to end NL trip
  • YankeesJunkie

    Did KLaw not mention Culver’s plus plus personality!

  • jon

    poor Alan Horne

    maybe next time

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      I admire his heart, but he just has to be cut some time soon. It’s a lost cause at this point.

      • EricVA

        Headline is misleading. He didn’t get rocked, he just walked EVERYBODY. But, yeah, it seems his roster spot could be used for a more valuable pitcher.

        • zs190

          they were already playing with 23 though, so I imagine he’s not taking anybody’s roster spot right now.

  • Brooklyn Ed

    at least, Mike Lamb returned to the Yanks.

  • Reggie C.

    Corban Joseph can be streaky as hell at the plate but he’s still more than held his own so far at AA in what i think is his first full season starting at that level. I’m not placing him in the top 10 , but considering he’s hitting at AA with reasonable power (.450 SLG), Joseph might turn into an intriguing hitting prospect that will draw interest from around the league.

    Could CoJo perhaps displace Nunez and Pena next season …

    • http://www.twitter.com/ngoral Jake LaMotta’s Left Hook

      Unless his recent ‘power-surge’ is real, he’s still a future corner infielder most likely, and he doesn’t have enough power to play the corners.

    • Ted Nelson

      CoJo hasn’t played any SS that I’m aware of, so my guess is he’d more be a candidate to replace Chavez’s LHH IF bat than Nunez.

  • Bones

    Any chance Joseph can play a below average, but tolerable SS?

    • sleepykarl

      I think many question his defense at second, so I would say no.

    • Samuel

      No. CoJo can not even play a tolerable second base.

  • The Lime

    Trevor May’s line v. Tampa: 7 IP / 1 H / 0 R / 2 BB / 14 K

    I wonder if he’ll be on BA’s hotsheet this on Friday?

  • S

    I’m wondering is one game really enough to judge a player?

    • deadrody

      Especially considering he hasn’t pitched in a game since 2009

    • Ted Nelson

      Keith Law is all-knowing… I know that because I heard it from Keith Law. The guy is hard-headed and cocky beyond belief, and I honestly believe he takes every opportunity possible to insult the Yankees. He’s gone way over the top in the last month alone on the Bichette pick, Noesi in the pen, and now Culver.

  • Reggie C.

    Dayum. Keith Law slices Culver’s left handed swing and recommends that the Yanks simply turn Culver into a RHH. Like right now. Law thinks the kid’s lefty swing is unworkable. I wonder if other scouts are going to start saying this now …

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Yea he’s not he’s not good – Law

      Jesus he didn’t pull any punches lol

    • Will F


      I’m getting tired of these really uninspiring draft picks these past couple of years. I’m not ready to give up on Culver but I’d much rather have Ranaudo or Nick Castellanos at this point. It seems like Oppenheimer likes to makes BIG reaches in the draft thinking he’s found the next Pujols when he should be taking the guys who are consensus picks. I wasn’t crazy about Culver to begin with so hearing Keith Law so harshly bash him is just salt in an open wound. Keith Law knows his talent.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        There are a number of fans that feel the same way you do. Hopefully time will tell if Opp made the right choices in the recent drafts.

        • Will F

          Nope. The Yanks seem to love fringy guys. We need real talent evaluators. Maybe we should call the Rays, Red Sox, or Phillies and see if their scouts are for sale. First Cito and then Bichette. This is getting depressing really fast. Not to mention the fact that the farm seems to be taking major steps backwards in all the levels.

          • jon

            it doesnt help that the yankees have less than HALF the scouts as the red sox and rays

            • pat

              That was disproven shortly after it was brought to light.

            • The Big City of Dreams


          • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

            They were a top 5 farm team heading into this season.

            • Ted Nelson

              Facts are for nerds.

          • mbonzo

            Real talent evaluators?

            Yankees have the real talent evaluators, what they’re missing is guys that read too much in to media hype. Why would you want to trust a guy like Keith Law over the 30+ scouts the Yankees have? I know its nice looking at a list of who writers like and hoping the Yankees go in that direction, but they’re much more advanced than that. Sure things could go wrong for the Yankees, but when the Yankees used to go overslot in the first round and join in on the media hype, they really didn’t create much. With Opp in charge the Yankees have one of the best farm systems in baseball.

            Yankees scouting groups > what some guy who can’t get a FO job has to say.

          • The Big City of Dreams

            I actually like the Bichette pick. I’m probably one of the few fans that do. I understand your frustration. You just want to see the farm do well and produce like other teams. The farm and Opp is one of those topics that can come up any time or anywhere. Today someone on lohud brought the pitching prospects and like most discussions about the farm it went back and forth for a number of mins.

            • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

              I certainly don’t dislike the pick. It sounds like he wouldn’t have been there for their 2nd pick, so if they believed in him, I’m glad they took him where they did.

              • The Big City of Dreams

                G;ad I’m not the only one.

                I’m willing to give the kid a chance to develop and not kill him. He might not pan out but it’s too early to be down on him as a pick.

                • The Big City of Dreams


            • Ted Nelson

              “You just want to see the farm do well and produce like other teams.”

              Luckily it has been doing well… yet many fans don’t seem to realize this. How many teams have produced two up the middle players 5+ WAR players in the past 7 years?

              • The Big City of Dreams

                In the minds of many ppl Ted that’s not good enough. That might be the wrong thought process to have but that’s how they feel.

                • Ted Nelson

                  Comparing performance to perfection isn’t reasonable. You have to have reasonable expectations. Producing a HOF player year-in-and-year-out has never been done. The ridiculously high expectations people hold are roughly equivalent to calling A-Rod and CC bums since they don’t hit 1.000 with a 5.000 OPS and have a 0.00 ERA respectively.

                  We compare players to other players rather than to perfection. Likewise we need to compare organizations to other organizations rather than perfection.

                  The Yankees could do better, but they’re doing very well relative to their peers. Just like A-Rod or CC. Not the best consistently, but very good consistently (in the recent past, after the death valley of no prospects from the middle of last decade).

                  • The Big City of Dreams

                    True the farm has improved from what it was before. It was a barren wasteland back then. With that being said I don’t think it’s perfection that fans want…they just want a little more from the system. They realize no one is going to be perfect but after a 5-6 yr period they want to see more than they have seen. Like I said they might be wrong but that’s how they feel.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Who is this “they?” I think it would be a lot more constructive for you and I to discuss our own opinions instead of you magically channeling the collective spirit of all Yankees fans. I can’t really discuss what all Yankees fans think, because their opinions probably vary as widely as their numbers.

                      Unless you are comparing the Yankees to 29 other MLB clubs, I don’t see any point in discussing it. Comparing them to “a little bit more” is the same as perfection IMO… there’s always “a little bit more.” You could have turned out the most talent relative to your investment (i.e. Yankees don’t have top 15 picks to play with) and still could do a little bit better.

                      Fact is that Cano, Gardner, Joba, Hughes, IPK, AJax, Tabata, Melancon, Robertson, Arodys, Nova, Dunn, Coke, Nunez, Pena, McAllister, Melky, Wang, Karstens, Aceves, Clippard, Dioner Navarro, Ohlendorf… and a top 5-10 farm puts them in good company around the league in turning out talent that translates to MLB player through promotion or trade since 2000.

                      Especially considering that they don’t have top 10, 15, 20 picks to work with. Most teams you can point out that have done better over a similar time-frame will have some high picks to point to and/or have traded away veterans for some of those prospects. They probably didn’t trade basically a full roster of MLB players for veterans mid-season like the Yankees.

                      All I’m asking for is a realistic analysis of their farm system. All you keep pointing to is an intangible “they” of fans who “want more.” We’re not actually discussing anything.

      • DH

        I think that this comment is a little ridiculous. I think that Oppenheimer and Culver and Pujols in the same sentence is a little bit uneducated. Not to pick on Will F. but let’s be real about this pick. Relax and let the kid develop. He may not be a great prospect but he is YOUNG and we will see what happens. He is playing in Staten Island as an 18 year old for god’s sake.

        • Will F

          It’s ok. You can pick on me. I’m just pissed because the Yanks got their asses handed to them tonight. Keith Law’s review just made this night worse.

          • Ted Nelson

            You have to actually trust Keith Law to care what he says…

      • nick

        of course the Yankees know their talent too, seeing that they’ve put together a pretty darn good system. Time will tell of course, I certainly will take Law’s input as food for thought, but it is just one point. And its not the worst thing to knock a LH swing, if its that bad, the Yankees will certainly tell him to stay righty down the road after more data is gathered.

        • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

          Well said.

    • Bobtaco

      I bet if Law was evaluating Jeter early on, he would have ripped him as well. Jeter struggled a lot early. Not saying they are equivalent, just saying probably too early to make a definitive verdict…

    • pat

      Maybe Cito took some weak hacks because Markel was repeatedly hitting high 90’s? I’m sure he wasn’t the only one he made look pretty bad. Also, considering he has hit 91-92 on the mound in high school I find it strange Law can simply say “well he doesn’t have much of an arm at all”.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      Law is also evaluating Culver on one game. It’s not the final word, and it doesn’t close the book on him.

      • Ted Nelson

        But I’ll bet you that Law keeps going back to the same thing again and again whether Culver disproves it or not. Guy is stubborn as hell. He’ll blatantly contradict stats in his analysis at times if a guy has developed a skill Law said he never would.

        • Samuel

          True that. And a little pompous too about it all.

    • MikeD

      As many do here, I like Law, but I still don’t know if he actually is considered a good judge of talent. How do we judge him? He doesn’t work for a MLB team anymore. He writes. He talks with many scouts, which is he is worth reading because his words often reflect the collective wisdom of real talent evaluators (today’s fancy word for scouts), but his word if not the law!

      That said, I’m not dismissing what he’s saying. The real question is at what point do the Yankees shift him to second and have him give up switch hitting, if they basically come to the same conclusion as Law.

      A few years back (and I’m talking less than ten), players like Culver would be drafted and fans never saw or heard about their development. All they knew was four years later, a player like Culver shows up as a right-handed hitting second baseman, with no idea what happened the years between his draft and his MLB debut…if that even happens. Following young players can be fun, but I wouldn’t invest too much emotion in them.

      • Reggie C.

        “I wouldn’t invest too much emotion in them” …

        Sorry, but i have to disagree. In the arms race bw the Yankees and their respective divisional rivals, player development is among the most competitive and scrutinized. Yankee fans , especially those fans of this site, invest time in reading and weighing the state of the farm system. When the discussion revolves around a FIRST round draft pick, the talk gets heightened in fervor bc we’re supposed to be dealing with the superior pool of available talents. These are the picks that can pay the greatest dividends, and therefore, merit the attention and opinions of fans.

        I’m not trying to infer that Culver didn’t belong in that pool, but reading this kind of report makes me wince. Its one game. Fine. Yet, Law’s abject disdain for the swing is pretty telling. I wouldnt think Law makes those kind of sweeping statements often.

        • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

          He did say Lincecum would be better suited for a relief role. I like Law and respect him. He’s been wrong plenty of times before, and I hope he’s wrong again on Culver. The Yankees scouts saw him a lot more then Law has, hopefully the scouts that believed in him know what the hell they are doing.

          • Avi

            I totally agree with Will F. The Culver and Bichette picks are pathetic and embarrassing.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              That’s going a little overboard…pathetic and embarrassing? Whoa

            • Ted Nelson

              Your comments on the subject are embarrassing.

        • MikeD

          …and I read and follow prospects, too. Even excellent draft picks will break your heart. That’s what I mean by don’t invest too much emotion in them. Worse, even ones that do become good are not going to end up on the Yankees. The team has a fleet of decent, back-end rotation guys in AAA including Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, and up on the MLB level, Noesi. Nova’s another back-end rotation pitcher. If one of them turns out good, all well and fine. Yet their real value will be in trades. IPK? I’m happy he’s over in the NL and we have Granderson.

          We can all follow these guys, and a few will end up on the team. Most won’t.

        • Ted Nelson

          I think you’re missing the point Reggie. The point is that player development is a long-term process. You can’t get too upset over every 5 game slump or bad scouting report or even bad season an 18 year old kid has. Law saw a couple of throws probably and a couple of hacks and he made judgments.

          “I wouldnt think Law makes those kind of sweeping statements often.”

          I hope that’s a joke. This is all Law does. He goes to the extremes all the time, either falling in love with prospects or writing them off. He’s very opinionated and very stubborn. And as a journalist that’s probably what he’s told to do.

    • Ted Nelson

      Based on one game… Keith Law is really becoming intolerable to me. Obviously Culver is struggling right now… doesn’t take a genius to point that out.

  • Operation Slade

    Ah I find that I’m bored without Charleston or Staten Island in action.

  • http://RAB Leo in Houston

    Gordon and Noesi need to go to AAA.

    • CP

      Scranton will be fine without them.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      And call up who?

      • http://www.mystiqueandaura.com/ JMK

        Palabrakemper and 10-Fingers Venditte.

  • pat

    Nunez used to be a switch hitter. Gave it up maybe three years ago.

    • http://twitter.com/SteveH_MandAura Steve H

      Now he hits from neither side of the plate.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Cervelli too.

    • CP

      Who makes the decision on whether a prospect should stop switch hitting?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Top. Men.

        • ColoYank

          LOL!! Mikey, me likey!

        • AndrewYF

          I just watched that movie last night, nice.

      • Samuel

        The prospect does based upon his performance.

        • Riddering

          Mark Teixeira does. It’s a little known clause in his contract.

  • Samuel

    People have to understand the Klaw bases most of his opinions on one live look and scout info after his one look. He is set on whether he believes the prospect will be an impact guy.

    If he doesn’t like a kid early, it doesn’t mean the kid will be bad forever.

    Everyone here talks about Yankees prospects liek they are destined to be great additions to the major league team. But you have to realize of the 100 kids the Yankeees drafted the last wo years, maybe one or two will get a sniff of the majors wearing pinstripes.

    So don’t kill Culver over his first round selection if he does not make the majors with NY. The way the Yanks use their farm system, Castellanos or Ranaudo probably wouldn’t be Yankee major leaguers either.

    And Klaw is not the greatest judge of talent. He isn’t alwasy right, in fact, with his first round choices, he is batting zero. When in the front office with the Blue Jays, he loved and hyped Travis Snider to death and the Jays picked him in first round.

    And Travis Snider stinks.

    • Skip

      Agreed. It would be nice to always read great things about our farm system but that doesn’t always happen. i understand why a lot of people get upset when we don’t draft big names, but the reality of it is a lot of people are big names based on the opinins of a very small number of people. I would bet that the Yankees have more people scouting prospects then the entire Baseball America staff, Keith Law, Frank Pillitere and all those media experts combined. And those media experts need to focus on hundreds and hundreds of prospects while the Yankees staff focuses just on the kids they’ve followed for 2 or 3 years. To me thats a big advantage favoring the Yankees over what Keith Law has to say any day of the week. And keep in mind, if Keith Law were that good he would be employed by a MLB team like Damon Oppenheimer instead of ESPN.

      Remember even can’t miss big names will miss…a lot. This decade alone has seen CJ Henry and Eric Duncan. Mike….is there any way to look up draft analysis from 2006 and beyond? I’d love to see what was said about te draft at the time compared to how it’s turned out.

      • Rick in Boston

        This. Perfectly agree with everything you wrote.

      • Jake H

        You can look up BA’s draft database and see what was said about picks. Here is just 2006


        • Skip

          Thanks – wow, taking a look at that draft is sick. That was a solid group of picks, so many major league contributors.

  • Jake H

    My only problem with what Law said is this. He didn’t scout Culver for the draft so that night he saw him was his first night. The guy was 18 years old and probably never saw a guy hit 97. I know Law has talked to scouts to get opinions before seeing him but I don’t think seeing the guy take 4 hacks during a game of an 18 year old is going to see everything he can do. It’s interesting that Law has opinion that he can’t stay at SS but BA has scouts say he has a plus arm and good range at SS.

    • crawdaddie

      That’s why you have to question Law’s comments. There are too many times in which he has this agenda to back up his initial opinion about a player with negative comments. He’ll do that until a player’s performance over time proves him wrong about his initial player opinion and he has to amend that opinion with Banuelos being just one example.

  • crawdaddie

    KLaw = ESPN writer hack.

  • Riddering

    While it’s obviously not thrilling to hear such a scathing review of Culver, I’m not going to slit my wrists over it. Last season I was practically drolling over KLaw’s write up of Banuelos because ManBan was on for most of the year. If Law had chosen this season to look him over and picked his last start to attend I doubt he’d deliver as much as praise.

    The Yankee farm will live, etc. etc.

  • CS Yankee

    The Dante pick was a surprise only due to “outside 100” placement by the masses. However, he signed rather fast and is playing ball, when you compare that to Cole who was courted (attended Yankee games with visits to the clubhouse) heavily and lose out on him?

    Losing a player like Cole was huge, signing Dante isn’t huge (to me at least)…
    …but he’ll have an uphill battle as he needs to outperform the other 50 players who were ranked higher than him over his career.

    • Ted Nelson

      If you look back at former BA top 200 lists, you’re going to see that outside of the top 15-25 prospects, those lists have very little predictive power of future MLB success. People just jump on these lists as the end-all-be-all without doing even a little bit of research to see the historical performance of these lists.

      • Ted Nelson

        Or look at the 2005 and 2008 BA top 200s…

        Pedro Alvarez 2005-#102 2008-#1
        Justin Smoak 2005-#95 2008-#8
        Ike Davis 2005-#112 2008-#30
        Brett Wallace 2005-#192 2008-#20

        Not unheard of for HS power bats to rise up the rankings after a few years of college. This isn’t to say Bichette was a lock to follow their footsteps if he went to college, just that his #108 ranking coming out of HS doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. If any team had taken one of those 4 #51 in 2005 and gotten them signed, chances are they’d be pleasantly surprised even if the Keith Law’s of the world irrationally slammed them at the time.

  • The Big City of Dreams

    Fact is that Cano, Gardner, Joba, Hughes, IPK, AJax, Tabata, Melancon, Robertson, Arodys, Nova, Dunn, Coke, Nunez, Pena, McAllister, Melky, Wang, Karstens, Aceves, Clippard, Dioner Navarro, Ohlendorf

    All I’m asking for is a realistic analysis of their farm system.


    More than half the guys you named aren’t here and the two prized pitching prospects are on the DL with arm issues. That’s not exactly something to get excited about.

    I think it is realistic. They have made strides but there is still work to be done in terms on seeing the talent on the field.