Jun
02

MLBTR’s list of potentially available starters

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Yesterday at MLBTR, Tim Dierkes posted a list of starting pitchers that could potentially become available in a trade this summer. It’s all based on speculation, but few outsiders know the market like Tim. It’s your generic collection of impending free agents, salary dumps, and firesale types, but it’s a disappointing list overall. The most attractive name (by far) is John Danks, though I have soft spots for Hiroki Kuroda and Derek Lowe. The competition for starters like these figures to pick up now that the Red Sox have to replace Daisuke Matsuzaka (Tommy John surgery), so this should be a fun trade season.

Categories : Asides, Trade Deadline
  • theyankeewarrior

    FA market… sucked

    Trade market… sucks

    Maybe we should grow an ace of our own?

    Acquiring a true #2 at this deadline could be Cashman’s biggest challenge yet.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Maybe we should grow an ace of our own?

      We did, twice. Then we broke them both.

      /boversimplify’d

  • David, Jr.

    If we are strongly in contention it will be Buehrle. Watch and see.

    • Clay Bellinger

      Depending on who they give up, I wouldn’t be too against it. Guy manages to put up decent numbers despite his disgusting K rate.

      • David, Jr.

        Everybody says he is too much of a pitch to contact guy, which I understand. However, Cellular Field is a hitters paradise and he has had success there. He is also a lefty. He makes 14M this year and is a free agent after that. The price in prospects might be moderate. You could do a lot worse.

        • http://yankeeanalysts.com Matt Imbrogno

          He’s managed to keep his groundball rate in the mid 40′s which helps (as well as keeping the walks down), but facing the Sox, Rays, and Jays, I’m not sure if that would continue.

        • Ed

          If Buehrle gets traded, he gets an another $1M this year and an extra year at $15M added to his contract.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Word is Buerhle wants to either stay on the South Side or go to the Cardinals.

      I bet on the former.

      • thumper

        That guaranteed $15 million for 2012 if he gets traded makes Buerhle a less than ideal choice as well.

    • http://yankeeanalysts.com Matt Imbrogno

      Ugh, I hope not.

  • MannyGeee

    OK, anyone else smelling a Jason Marquis for waaaaay-too-goddam-much trade coming on???

    Maholm intrigues me, even though he is playing way over his potential.

    • Clay Bellinger

      Marquis’ never pitched in the AL and has been mediocre in the NL, so I don’t think the Yanks would be the team to swing that deal.

  • Reggie C.

    Derek Lowe is signed thru 2012 at 15 million. Yikes.

  • Pat D

    The White Sox might be making a move, and I still don’t fully believe in the Indians.

    So I’m still skeptical that they’ll be selling. The next 6-7 weeks have to unfold first.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      It’s not just Cleveland, though; Detroit has reawakened. Can the Sox stay hot enough to jump both of those two? That’s a real question for them.

      It’s why I keep coming back to Edwin Jackson; he’s a FA at year’s end that they’re not likely to keep. Kenny Williams loves to trade off pieces he doesn’t prioritize as long-term fixes while not totally punting on the season.

      I can easily see him being both a buyer and a seller at the same time; move moveable superfluous pieces and maybe make a separate trade to plug a lineup hole or two.

      With Danks/Floyd/Peavy/Buerhle/Humber (and even Sale), he has the pitching inventory to move Edwin Jackson (who is rumored to be moving to the bullpen anyway) while still pushing for the division title. Jackson is the most logical player to move (although I’m sure he’d listen on Danks and Floyd to see if anyone wants to blow him away).

    • Clay Bellinger

      Yeah, I fully expect the ChiSox to deal..that’s just what Kenny Williams does. The Tribe would really have to fall off hard for them to be in a position to sell though.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    with every pitch he throws I fully expect Colon to blow up…but wouldn’t it be something if he continued this throughout the year and into the post season…holy friggin’ crap that would be great!

    • Pat D

      Indeed it would.

      But Wally Matthews already said it’s not gonna last, so…

      • Clay Bellinger

        Wallace Mathews doesn’t know anything about anything. His opinion is meaningless.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          He knows flawed reasoning. There’s that.

          • Clay Bellinger

            Hah, very true.

          • YanksFan

            Except that he doesn’t know that’s it’s flawed. Most everyone over the age of 1 knows it though.

            • Clay Bellinger

              Hah, the dude doesn’t have a clue.

        • Pat D

          Yea, just for clarification, I regard him as a joke.

          • Clay Bellinger

            Oh I figured that. I can’t see how anyone could respect his writing.

  • Mister Delaware

    I’d rather give up some quality for a 26 year old Danks than try to patchwork with Kuroda. Stuff hasn’t changed much and the xFIP is basically in line. Another buy low steal for Cashman over Williams?

    • Clay Bellinger

      Danks would be ideal. It’s gotta be tough to trade em though with the impending FA’s in their rotation. Prob makes more sense to deal Jackson.

  • matthaggs

    Just about all of these guys have more cons than pros, including Ted Lilly. I’d take him if he could be had for cheap though. Been pitching well of late and has had a degree of success in the AL East.

  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    Mid-season pick-up…..Phil Hughes

    • Pat D

      Fingers crossed.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      I’d lean more towards “late-season pickup”, personally. He’s likely not going to be all that good initially, he’ll need a month’s worth of spring training and then maybe a month to round into reasonably good shape/strength.

      Recovering from “deader arm” probably takes a while.

      • nsalem

        The dead part of Phil may be to the north of his arm. That may take an even longer time to recover from.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

          Is this based on anything tangible?

          • http://yankeeanalysts.com Matt Imbrogno

            Tommie, if he WANTED to play, if his head was REALLY into it, he would’ve resurrected his dead arm by now.

          • nsalem

            In 2008 his poor start was attributed to his broken ribs which he was pitching with for a month. The story behind this years injury does not make sense to me. Maybe not tangible but certainly a possibility. It seems he has missed a lot of time that couldhave been prevented by properly reporting his injuries.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

              The story behind this years injury does not make sense to me.

              He threw a shit-ton more innings last year than he’d thrown in any of the previous three years. What part of getting a dead arm following a huge jump in workload doesn’t make sense?

              • Clay Bellinger

                He’s a head case. He wasn’t focusing enough so his velocity dropped.

                • nsalem

                  No. His velocity might have dropped because he was trying to pitch through pain and not telling anyone.

              • nsalem

                What didn’t make sense to me was Hughes saying he felt no pain, then getting a cortisone shot, then saying he felt better. That combined with his withholding
                his condition from the team in 2008 leads me to believe that his problems may be more than physical. I truly hope I’m wrong. Bottom line is that he is in his 5th year if his career. He has missed large portions of 3 of those years and his only success has come in the first half of 10 and the last half of 09. True, there is a good case for blaming this on the way The FO has handled their young arms. On the other hand (or arm) Hughes must be held accountable if he is hiding injuries from management.

        • Foghorn Leghorn

          his uvula?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

            That’s nasty.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    Bosox will be in the mix for sure b/c Dice K is done, Lackey is crap, Wakefield is old, Aceves isn’t a solution for a full time starter and Bowden sucks ass.

    Now would be a good time to bring up Casey Kelly.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Casey Kelly, that worthless bum who is no better than a #4 that Theop shrewdly pawned off before the world realized he was an uber-bust?

      Good riddance to that never-was-has-been.

      Sincerely,
      Boston’s media machine

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        i’m really torn with Kelly…one one hand I want him to suck b/c the hype was so ridiculous and over the top. On the other I want him to win 8 cy youngs so the Sox will regret trading him.

        • MannyGeee

          well, considering Adrian is about to go on a tear of 7 straight AL MVPs (and 2 NL MVPs, because he is that fking good…), they would not miss Casey Kelly all that much.

          • MannyGeee

            plus…. SIX FIVE ACES…

            so theres that

  • zs190

    Erik Bedard is having a sneaky good season so far. Shouldn’t cost much since he’s not signed beyond this year and he’s a major injury risk. Still when he’s healthy, his stuff is probably second only to Liriano on the list, and he’s healthy right now.

    • Foghorn Leghorn

      dude is rarely healthy though…unless he has had a stem cell prodedure then I’d steer clear of Bedard.

      • nsalem

        Bedard has only had 51 career second half starts as opposed to about 100 first half starts.
        His numbers are significantly weaker in the second half also. Hopefullythis is a problem that can be solved internally (by hook or by hector).

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Seattle’s also in the thick of the AL West race.

      All four of those teams may be buyers and not sellers.

      • YanksFan

        Also, who knows how easy it would be to attempt a trade w/ Jack Z. Cash does know how to trade & deal w/ others but there may be a premium surcharge for Jack Z. greater than other GM’s dealings with the Yanks.

    • thumper

      Ugh, the thought of another potential trade with Seattle still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Not that last years rollercoaster would be the factor that makes me shy away from Bedard, but damn you Jack Zduriencik.

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        cashman needs to pull a theo and fire his asst GM so he can get hired by the Mariners…then we’ll be able to trade for Felix straight up for Pat Venditte

      • MannyGeee

        why would you worry about trading with Seattle? they still want Montero? Montero for Bedard str8 up…. BOOM. that just happened.

    • http://youcantpredictbaseball.wordpress.com bexarama

      Unless Seattle loses like all their remaining games before the deadline, they won’t be sellers. They’re actually competing in the ALW this year, and it’s because of their pitching. Yeah Bedard isn’t an untouchable like Pineda or Felix, but I don’t see them trading him unless they get some ridiculous return for him.

      • zs190

        Eh, arguably the worst thing that could have happened to them was kind of sort of contending a couple years ago. I think Jack Z should have learned the lesson and be realistic about their contending chances but we’ll see. I think they’ll be limited sellers, though they don’t have much to sell anyways.

        • Foghorn Leghorn

          the other thing is that if Felix is the prize then don’t trade for something less, like Bedard. If you can’t get what you want, just move on.

          at least that’s what my wife tells me to do.

          • zs190

            I’m not sure that’s the right approach things. AL East is really competitive. Just because you can’t get the 2 win upgrade player doesn’t mean you shouldn’t seek out trades to see if you can pick up somebody that could potentially provide a half-win improvement. It could be the difference between making and missing the playoffs.

            • Foghorn Leghorn

              it depends on what you have to give up…i’d be willing to miss the playoffs and not have to give up top prospects for a second rate player. at some point the yanks need to get younger and develop their own and they are on the right track now.

        • Clay Bellinger

          Speaking of that trade, Adam Jones made a sick catch last night..against the M’s.

          • Foghorn Leghorn

            I really like Adam Jones…he reminds me of Eric Davis. That catch was sick.

  • David, Jr.

    How about Minnesota? They look like a team that could blow it up and go young, and by their standards they have an awful farm system. I would stay miles away from Liriano, who looks like a time bomb. Who else do they have that would be logical?

    • http://yankeeanalysts.com Matt Imbrogno

      Maybe Scott Baker, but his lack of grounders scares the shit out of me, even with the strikeouts.

    • Foghorn Leghorn

      early on Liriano looked like a good option…not so much now.

      • David, Jr.

        It had a “too good to be true” look to it. Sell at the top when they knew something.

  • icebird753

    You must be kidding about Derek Lowe…he would be awful in the AL East. Look at his numbers towards the end of his Bosox days…and those were years ago, when he had livelier and more effective stuff. No way should they do this…it would be like them trying to get Javy Vasquez again last yr.

  • steve s

    Not one peep about Andy? That’s where I’d start notwithstanding Andy’s public statements to the contrary.

    • Monteroisdinero

      Mrs. Pettitte: “Andy loves coaching T-ball full time. Isn’t that right honey?”

      Andy: “Yes dear”

  • Cy Pettitte

    There’s literally no one on that list I would be excited about getting, especially if they have to give up something significant. Just get Phil back in early 2010 form please.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Many of those guys will be available for nothing significant.

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    I’m interested to see what Silva will do…it seems to be the year of the “fat, sweaty, used to be good” pitcher.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      That was probably Kevin Millwood’s problem, he wasn’t fat or sweaty enough.

      • Foghorn Leghorn

        guarantee if Millwood puts on 20 lbs he’ll be in contention for the cy young by season’s end.

        he’s just not dedicated enough.

        • MannyGeee

          he needs to eat some stem cells.

        • YanksFan

          He’s already in contention for the Cy Young, lest you forget he’s in Boston.

  • mustang

    What would it take to get John Danks?

    • CS Yankee

      Way less than Haren, but way more than Lirano.

      If you go, go big…take Haren & Wells contract for Brackman, Nova & Slade. We would have a second ace & a decent pinch runner for Jorge come October.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Too much considering that he’s still under team control and they have 2 starters eligble for FA.

  • SRB

    Trade for Ian Kennedy

    • Rainbow Connection

      He’s the worst pitcher ever. 6-1 in the NL = 0-75 in the AL.

    • Cy Pettitte

      no, trade for Phil Coke

  • SRB

    All right then- How about trading back Damaso Marte and the ghost of Xavier Nady for Dan McCutcheon

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside the Elder

      Who is Dan McCutcheon?

      • nsalem

        I believe he meant The New and Improved Pirate’s CF.

  • Rainbow Connection

    Isn’t Shaq now available? He’d fit right in with CC and Bartolo.

  • nycsportzfan

    I’d take a flier on Aaron Harang.. the guys solid, and with a good team behind him, i could see him win 14-15games, and also, he might be even more fired up to do well, because hes with a WINNING club, and heightens his chance at a WS TITLE

  • Jimmy B

    lowe is a perfect stop-gap. He can be haved for mid-season and next season and then 2013 free agent pitching class could be very nice with starting pitching. Yankees will be desperate next offseason and sign wilson or edwin jackson to AJ money. Nl east isnt no al east but its still has good hitters and Lowe has been good not great or ace like but he been very solid. and the best part he is a groundball pitcher and he doesnt show signs of slowing down. so my pick would be lowe till 2013 where the likes of Cain Marcum Hamels Liriano and others become available