Jun
04

Open Thread: Hughes throws live BP

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(Photo Credit: Flickr user Anna Moony via Creative Commons license)

Phil Hughes faced live batters for the first time since hitting the disabled list today, throwing a round of live batting practice with the team in Anaheim. He went through his usual warm-up routine then threw 22 pitches to batters, essentially simulating one inning of work. Pitching coach Larry Rothschild said Hughes did a good job of maintaining his arm speed and he’s pleased with the outing. Assuming he feels good over the next few days, the next step for Phil will be a trip to Extended Spring Training to get stretched out in advance of a minor league rehab assignment. Good news, but he’s still a long ways away.

Here’s an open thread to keep you occupied before tonight’s game. The Mets are playing the Braves (Jurrjens vs. Gee), and you’ve also got Game Two of the Stanley Cup Finals (8pm ET on NBC). Talk about whatever, go nuts.

Categories : Injuries, Open Thread

41 Comments»

  1. Rainbow Connection says:

    It’s amazing (to me) that they lost their #2 starter (we all know he was #2 in reality) and they are still in first place.

  2. Craig says:

    In MLB 2k10 I made my own player, my batting avg is .500 but my OBP is .495, is that even possible?

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Sacrifice flies, hit-by-pitches, etc. All the stuff that counts as a PA but not an AB.

    • Rod says:

      Hbp, walks contribute to Obp. It must be that you have had several hits that you tried to stretch to extra base hits and got caught. In general, obp is greater than and equal to ba, unless u get out going to a base repeatedly.

  3. Adam B says:

    Mike, could RF be a possibility for Montero? His bat and arm play there and we have two very rangy outfielders to make up for his lack of range… RF at yankee stadium isn’t a very big spot anyways. You also get to take him out of a position that has sapped 2 of the best young players in baseball in Mauer and Posey.

    • Craig says:

      The more I think about it, I get the feeling Montero will be traded. Just a hunch

      • Andrew says:

        Might depend on how many more ‘attitude problems’ Gary Sanchez has

      • Adam B says:

        Well, IF he can’t catch and IF they can get fair value for him I am not opposed to the trade… I am just trying to brainstorm alternative solutions (because I have nothing better to do without day baseball on a saturday) if they can’t get fair value and will need to use him…

    • Mike Axisa says:

      I don’t see the hard in trying it, but he’s a big slow dude. Might be Marcus Thamesian out there.

      • Drew says:

        exactly, if hes having a hard time being a catcher, and is too big for the position then I don’t see him being too great in the outfield.

  4. Craig says:

    Those Mets caps are hideous, can’t they just give fans the regular blue hat, like NYY does? It’s pathetic how dumb that franchise can be.

  5. steven says:

    im wondering how is velocity is unless its there and im not reading it

  6. Donny says:

    Is there something wrong in the Yanks farm system that they cannot produce durable above average starters?

    Is it the lack of high draft picks? Bad luck? What is it?

    Watching the Rays with Hellickson (4th round pick), Sheilds (low round pick), Wade Davis, Price (yeah he was a high pick)… then the Sox with Lester and Bucholtz… Jeez. What do the Yanks have to show?

    Joba? I don’t buy the silly “the Yankees ruined him” theory. I think they are of the opinion he can’t hold up to a 150 inning work load. Hughes, rough start to his career. Who knows about these other kids coming up.

    I don’t even want an ace. The Yanks can buy those… How about an above average starter? When was the last one of those they had? Wang?

    • Len S. says:

      Over the past forty years they’ve had Guidry, Righetti, Pettitte, and Wang. That’s it.

      • Bpdelia says:

        And ted lilly, jose rijo, doug drabek, al leiter, ian kennedy, scott kaminiecki,, jake westbrook..

        Im sure I’m forgetting someone. This list plus wang, pettite, rags, hughes isnt amazing but it’s not a disaster. The pirates and royals (to name just 2) have been picking high for a long time and have worse records.
        The yankee sp development has been decent to middlin for awhile.

    • pat says:

      Rays are able to get these guys develop at the big league level. Yankees fans and ownership don’t have the patience for that. As a result shit happens and guys get mishandled. If Ivan Nova was on the Rays he’d be in the rotation all year, instead of pitching for his job day in and day out with the Yankees.

      • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin' mothafucka, mothafucka!) says:

        Sorry but I have to disagree with you here. Tampa Bay has a better front office and scouting personnel than the Yankees do – better than most if not all of MLB. It’s not a knock on the Yankees. But the Rays have been an extreme example of pitching development success. They’re the exception, not the rule. They’ve made fantastic trades for pitchers and I can’t remember any of their prospects struggling much at the big league level, if at all. Sonnanstine has been bumped to his rightful place. And I don’t think Nova sticks in that rotation at any point in the last few years the Rays have been in contention. Their rotation has been too talented.

        • bexarama says:

          I can’t remember any of their prospects struggling much at the big league level, if at all.

          well Wade Davis says hi, kind of?

          (though I agree with the rest of this.)

          • Zack D says:

            Niemann isn’t exactly what you’re looking for from #4 overall, and Hammels is in the NL (a la IPK).

            Both more success than Yankees though, just not all ‘hits’.

            And look at other recent Red Sox 1st or supp picks: Bowden, K. Johnson, Hansen, Bard & Hagadone. First 3 are huh???; and the last 2 are relievers due to control issues. Obviously Bard is valuable, just not a starter.

        • S says:

          You forget that they also sucked so much that they were able to draft top five arms (many of whom were also college tested)in many of years. Also the Yankees history with starting pitching is so bad because they have only started focusing on developing starting pitching only a few years ago when they drafted Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy. Smaller sample size, and the fact that this change in the direction of scouting and development is so recent many of the guys who can be very successful in the Bigs are still in the minors right now.

          • S says:

            Oh and guys who have struggled that were developed by Tampa

            James Shields (since righted his ship)
            Scott Kazmir
            Dewon Brazelton
            Joe Kennedy
            Andy Sonnanstine

            just to name a few

          • The Big City of Dreams says:

            Smaller sample size sure but it’s not out of left field to question how frustrating it is when it comes to the Yankees trying to develop starters.

      • Donny says:

        I actually don’t think they develop them at the big league level.

        Most of their guys pitch a ton of innings in the minors and show up in the majors pitching adequately at the very least.

        My point is, the argument that the Yankees have no patience and trade away their pitching talent doesn’t hold water either. Who did they get rid of that went on to have a lot of success? The last one I can remember is Jose Rijo more than 30 years ago!

        Besides Pettitte, who is the last pitcher drafted and developed by the Yankees and pitched for ANY team at an all-star level for multiple years? Eric Milton? Sterling Hitchcock? Sam Millitelo? Jeff Johnson? Clausson? The Yankees contribute pretty much NOTHING to the overall starting pitching talent in the major leagues.

        Its mind-boggling. Its gotta be bad luck. It defies all laws of probability.

        Tell me all you want about how the AL West sucks, but Ian Kennedy might be the 2nd best pitcher drafted and developed by the Yankees in over 30 years!!

        • The Big City of Dreams says:

          Its mind-boggling. Its gotta be bad luck. It defies all laws of probability.

          ——————————–

          It’s not bad luck the Yankees for whatever reason aren’t good at it. That doesn’t mean it can’t turn around in a couple of yrs but as of right now they lack the ability to develop starting pitching.

    • V says:

      “Joba? I don’t buy the silly “the Yankees ruined him” theory. I think they are of the opinion he can’t hold up to a 150 inning work load. Hughes, rough start to his career. Who knows about these other kids coming up.”

      Well, they can have that opinion all they want, but I believe he’d be a starter on 29 other teams today, after having the proper minor league experience.

      The Yankees fucked up. Bad.

      • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin' mothafucka, mothafucka!) says:

        Agreed. Given what we know, they always viewed him as a starter. They stated as much on a constant basis since he was brought up until 2010 when they suddenly changed their stance. They had him start a full season even after his 2008 shoulder injury. His performance in 2009, success as a reliever in 2007, and a lack of patience by the Yankees organization are the reasons Joba is a reliever.

        I believe they re-evaluated him after the 2009 season and determined that he could either be a potentially dominant reliever or a middle-of-the-road starter – and they chose to have the Joba the reliever.

        I believe they were wrong. But this is all just my opinion.

      • Donny says:

        “Well, they can have that opinion all they want”

        Well, YOU can have that opinion all you want but you have to admit you’re simply speculating.

        Either:

        A. The Yankees are too stupid to realize a starter is more valuable than an 8th inning guy (yes we poke fun at them, but c,mon…)

        or

        B. The Yankees, based off of his injury history (remember the only reason the Yankees were able to draft him is cuz everyone else was scared of his medical history) and medical advice realized that he’s better off pitching 60-80 innings a year rather than 180-220.

        Option B seems more likely to me, but to each their own :-)

        • Zack D says:

          So they either:
          A. Got medical advice that he should be a RP, ignored it, developed him in the minors as a SP and let him transition into a starter in 2008 and make 30 starts in 2009.

          B. Got medical advice after his shoulder thing in 2008, and let him make 30 starts the next year.

          C. Got medical advice after 2009 that he should be a reliever.

        • The Big City of Dreams says:

          “B. The Yankees, based off of his injury history (remember the only reason the Yankees were able to draft him is cuz everyone else was scared of his medical history) and medical advice realized that he’s better off pitching 60-80 innings a year rather than 180-220.

          Option B seems more likely to me, but to each their own”

          If that’s the case than why do they keep pushing Hughes as a starter? He’s been injured more than Joba and has struggle just as much if not more.

  7. Ivan says:

    So How long before Hughes come back to the Yankees? Just rite after the AS break or around mid July?

  8. CMP says:

    To say it would be HUGE if Hughes can make it back into the rotation and pitch effectively would be a massive understatement.

  9. Dino Velvet says:

    Papelbon has a meltdown and in anger chest bumps the umpire

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....d=15527619

    • Zack D says:

      Was why he starting in and doing the hand motions when the umpire called the pitch a strike?

      • tom says:

        Because apparently he’d been very unhappy about previous pitches not being called strikes, which led (in his mind) to his blowing a 4-run lead. His reaction there is sort of “Oh, right — NOW you give me a strike”

    • Guns of the Navarone (A mushroom cloud layin' mothafucka, mothafucka!) says:

      Honest to God, I can’t think of a more classless, crybaby team than the core of the current Red Sox team. They’re just…crybabies. I can’t think of a more accurate word.

      • CMP says:

        The world would be a better place if a giant sinkhole opened up under Fenway and swallowed up the Red Sox and 40K of their fans. Hopefully it would happen during a Fox game of the week and get Tim Mccarver and Joe Buck too.

  10. CMP says:

    Buster Olney commented on the Cubs having big problems going forward with debt.

    If the Yankees have to trade for a starting pitcher, I wonder if they could get Ryan Dempster on the cheap since he’s making $13.5 million this year with a $14 million player option next year.

    His ERA is a putrid 6.32 but he still has an xFIP of 3.54, his K/9 is over 8 and he hasn’t lost any significant amount of velocity either.

  11. Preston says:

    I’m not buying that the Yankees didn’t want to put a gun on Hughes. Somebody somewhere took a reading and if it was good news, they would have released it. I don’t have high hopes for him returning.

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