Jun
25

Rival execs think Cashman’s ready to leave

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Buster Olney spoke to executives from around the league recently (Insider req’d), and the feeling is that this season will be Brian Cashman‘s last as Yankees GM. “I think maybe he’s finally had it,” said one GM. “That’s a job that will take a lot out of you.” “I don’t think he has any idea how different his life would be if he wasn’t general manager of the Yankees,” said said another exec.

Cashman said yesterday that’s he’s not worried about his future, only that he doesn’t intend to talk about a new deal until after the season, per team mandate. Olney says it’s the uncharacteristic honesty that has him thinking Cashman’s ready to leave, echoing what I said last week. He also reminds us that it appeared as if Cashman was going to leave on three other occasions, only to return at the behest of the Steinbrenners. I think it’s 50-50 that he stays, the lowest odds I’ve ever given these situations.

Categories : Asides, Front Office
  • bonestock94

    I wouldn’t blame him or be surprised if he left. I just hope his replacement is good.

  • Stevis

    Bring back the “Stick”!

  • Samuel

    At many times during his tenure, Yankee fans have ripped Brian Cashman for a variety of mistakes including reaching in the draft (C.J. Henry, Cito Culver, Dante Bichette, Jr.), signing high-priced free agents who eventually failed miserably (Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa, A.J. Burnett) and generally not winning the World Series every year.

    My main gripe is his inability to promote and trust the young players, a topic very much in the news this past week.

    Although Cash does not personally supervise the draft (Damon Oppenheimer) or player development (Mark Newman, Pat Roessler), as the organization’s GM, it means he is wholly responsible.

    If Cashman does leave, it would not be hard for his replacement to be successful having a large checkbook at his disposal, but…

    …for those who would love to see him leave, you never know what you really have until it is gone.

    • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

      I wouldn’t say AJ “failed miserably”…and while he hasn’t been a ringing success, to lump him in with the Kei Igawas and Carl Pavanos of the world is a bit much.

      • Samuel

        AJ is a miserable failure based upon his performance of basically one good game in the 2009 World Series. He is still owed $40 million to be a lousy pitcher.

        But at least he is not Jason Bay.

        • http://www.youcantpredictbaseball.com bexarama

          AJ had one pretty darn good year, one awful year, and one year that, so far, is okay. I don’t like his contract either but calling him a miserable failure is a huge stretch, especially when you’re lumping him in with Pavano (which I think was a fine process with some awful results) and Igawa (terrible all around).

          • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            Also on Pavano… I’m really not a Pavano defender, but it seems like people think his contract was much bigger than it actually was. It was 4 yrs/$40M, it’s not like the Yanks were paying this guy $15M-$20M a year. Not that $10M is not a lot of money, but I think a lot of people talk about the Pavano contract like he was given superstar money, and he wasn’t.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Well, that was huge money back then. Only 18 starters made $9M+ in 2005 (Pavano’s salary and first year in NY), this year there are 31.

              • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                How do you look at numbers like that? (i.e. How many people made $X in which years, etc.)

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
                  • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                    I don’t know… Depends how you look at it I guess. During Pavano’s entire tenure in pinstripes he was the 11th highest-paid player on the team. He may have been making a lot of money compared to all of MLB, but I still get the impression Yankees fans think he was making more than he actually did.

            • jerry

              Pavano was a complete bust. In 3 years he pitched about 7 or 8 games and is a jerk off the field.

          • Samuel

            A W-L of 13-9, ERA over 4.00 and a WHIP over 1.4 while leading the league in walks and WP’s is a pretty darn good year?

            The only good things about AJ’s Yankee tenure was one World Series start and the fact that he has not missed any start due to injury. Remember he was bumped from the ALDS last season because he was terrible.

            And three of his five worst K rate’s have come during his three Yankee years. He has had four good months out fo the 15 he has been a Yankee.

            • CP

              Unfortunately, this is what $80-100M buys you on the FA market these days.

            • sangreal

              the fact that he has not missed any start due to injury

              Well, that isn’t true. He definitely missed a start against the Red Sox last year due to injury. Dustin Moseley started in his place.

              • Samuel

                The point is that AJ has made 33 starts each season when his track record is of serious arm issues, but thanks for nit-picking.

                • sangreal

                  Sensitive much? It is hardly nit-picking to let you know that one out of the two things you state are good about AJ’s tenure is not true. Your post didn’t say anything about 33 starts. If you had said 33 and I said 32, that would be nit-picking.

            • CMP

              It’s funny how AJ is remembered for his game 2 start in 2009 WS but everyone has forgotten his putrid game 5 start when he got bombed out after 2 innings and 6 runs.

              Had game 5 been an elimination game for the Yankees, AJ would be despised at a Javy Vasquez/Carl Pavano level if not worse.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                And if my aunt had a penis she’d be my uncle. We can play hypotheticals all day long, it doesn’t change reality.

                • CMP

                  Yeah, reality is as good as AJ was in game 2, he was just as bad in game 5. It just so happens the Yankees were able to overcome that loss.

                  If you only bring up game 2, you’re leaving out half the story.

                  If your Aunt has a penis, I can give you the name of a good surgeon.

                  • mike c

                    we won the world series, get over it

                  • Evan3457

                    …and here’s the rest of your story:

                    The Game 2 win was crucial, because without it, the Yanks go to Philly down 2-0, facing another Cliff Lee start in game 5, meaning the Phils only needed one more win in game 3, 4 6, or 7 to win it all.

                    The Game 5 loss came with the Yanks up 3-1, with Lee pitching game 5, and the Yanks having two more shots at home to win it without having to face Lee in either one.

                    The two games/situations are not remotely equal. And there’s no way you can force them to be.

                    • CMP

                      AJ Burnett is and has been an $80 million dollar bust regardless of his one good game in the 2009 world series.

                      Those are the facts no matter how you try and rationalize it.

            • The BIG 3

              And three of his five worst K rate’s have come during his three Yankee years

              Maybe that’s because he isn’t facing the Yankees lineup anymore. Fun fact: AJ pitched his best against the Yankees (2nd lowest career OPS against, after SF), which I always thought was a major buying point for Cash.

              Also, as mentioned upthread, $16m per is the going rate for 200 IP, league average starters.

        • Mike M

          AJ has been worth $23.5 million over the 2+ years he’s been a Yankee. Igawa has been worth -$800,000. But yea…don’t let facts get in the way of your argument

          • Samuel

            “Worth” 23.5 million? And what has he been paid in that time frame? He has had four good months as a Yankee.

            The problem with these saber valuations is they are fantasy baseball stuff. Means nothing during individual games.

            My “valuations” show AJ having many more bad starts than good ones, especially in key games.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              Your determination of “key games” is 100% subjective.

              • Samuel

                Of course it is, but…

                Red Sox games: 8 starts, 0-4, 8.76 ERA with the only good game the 15 inn. A-Rod HR game.

                Tampa games: 10 starts, 5-4, 4.17 ERA; great 2009 against them but garbage since.

                Teams under .500: 16-12, 3.87 ERA.

                Teams over .500: 14-19, 5.08 ERA.

                AJ is not paid to pitch decent vs. bad teams and crappy vs. the good ones.

                Most any kid from the farm could put up those numbers.

                • Evan3457

                  I’ll be “most any kid” from the Yanks’ farm would’ve done significantly worse, given that many shots.

                  • ItsATarp

                    I’m willing to bet most pitchers have worse numbers vs .500+ teams than below .500 ones…and I bet those numbers aren’t pretty. I remember halladay had a high era vs the sox in his career as well…

            • It’sATarp

              your evaluation is obviously totally subjective and not clouded by bias and bullshit.

              • Samuel

                How is it bias to see that AJ has been a very bad pitcher since the Yankees signed him and not worth the money?

              • toad

                How is it “totally subjective” to say that games against the Red Sox and Tampa are high-leverage games?

                It’s not.

                • Samuel

                  They are division games against the two other best teams in the entire league, asshole, that’s why they are high leverage games.

          • toad

            How is it a “fact” that he was worth $23.5 million? Do you understand the difference between a fact and a guess?

        • Pat D

          I would actually say at least he’s not John Lackey, who has the exact same contract and, at this rate, doesn’t figure to come close to providing anything AJ already has.

          • CMP

            Not entirely true considering Lackey’s 4 WAR season with the Red Sox in 2010 is going to be worth more than Burnett’s 2010 and 2011 numbers combined.

            • It’sATarp

              well AJ had 3.4 WAR his first season. And Lackey this season might now even top 1 war at this pace

              • CMP

                That’s true about Lackey but AJ is on pace for about 1.5 WAR this year so if Lackey sucks, what can you say about AJ? He sucks just a little less?

                Not much of a compliment.

    • The Fallen Phoenix

      C.J. Henry wasn’t a reach, he just never developed. And so many teams were on Carl Pavano – including the Boston Red Sox – that it seems ridiculous to pin that mistake on Cashman, since there was at least one team that offered Pavano more money than the Yankees ultimately signed him for.

      (Ditto Javy Vazquez – the Red Sox traded for Schilling after they missed on Vazquez, their first choice, before 2004.)

      Cashman has made a lot of mistakes, no doubt about it. I’m still not entirely sure there is a General Manager I’d rather have running the Yankees, though.

      • Ed

        (Ditto Javy Vazquez – the Red Sox traded for Schilling after they missed on Vazquez, their first choice, before 2004.)

        I haven’t heard that version of it before. I know the Yankees tried for Schilling first, but Arizona was still mad over the David Wells ordeal and demanded way too much (Johnson + Soriano + more).

        • The Fallen Phoenix

          I’m about 75% sure I’ve read that the Red Sox wanted Vazquez, but Cashman got to him first at least once, although I admittedly cannot remember the source off the top of my head.

      • Samuel

        I said many Yankee fans blame him for Pavano, but I don’t. My gripe is the lack of promoting and trustng the kids.

        You are correct that about a dozen teams wanted Pavano, including the Red Sox.

        Henry is one of the many draft picks in recent years that screams to GM’s and scoutng director’s to not draft players with “tools” but to draft good baseball players.

    • CP

      My main gripe is his inability to promote and trust the young players, a topic very much in the news this past week.

      What about Hughes, Joba, Robertson, Cano, Gardner, Nova and Nunez?

      They may not always do what fans want, but they do promote from within and give their young players a chance – they just do it for players they like, not the consensus guys.

      • Samuel

        I am talking Montero plus Warren, Phelps, Noesi instead of signing Brian Gordon.

        Need a pitcher – go to the farm to get one. DON’T sign a scrub bum-fuck from another organization.

        If Gordon was any good, the Phillies would have kept him to pitch out of the pen.

        • The Fallen Phoenix

          Warren has had, what, less than a month of good starts at AAA this year? He had a very slow start this year. Noesi just blew up in relief of Gordon, and he doesn’t have many quality AAA innings to his credit, either.

          Gordon cost nothing in prospects, and practically nothing in terms of roster maneuvering. Even calling up Warren or Phelps would – at the absolute least – cost starting their MLB service clock, which is to say nothing about their continued development in the minors. I’m not even sure Warren is on the 40-man roster (he was only drafted two years ago), so you’d also start burning unnecessary options just for a spot start.

          • Slugger27

            they mustve thought noesi wasnt stretched out enough, cuz picking gordon over him really didnt make much sense.

            noesi had more career mlb innings than brian gordon did at the time of the sign…

            • CP

              That’s exactly what they thought.

          • Samuel

            Service clock – WOW! This is perhaps the worst reason not to promote from within. If you start a guys “clock” early and he turns out to be pretty good, wouldn’t you want to sign him after his six “control” years are up, likely even sooner?

            And if a team can not develop another good pitcher to replace him after six seasons, then the front office needs to get out of the baseball business.

            Before Noesi “blew up” in relief of a journeyman 32 year old, was he pretty good before that? Why didn’t he get that start? Maybe Cash KNEW he would “blow up” in relief?

            Have you even see any of these kids pitch? Warren pitched much better than his numbers represented early on. He has had only 3 (maybe 4) mediocre starts this entire season, none where he was really knocked around.

            His problem on a few occasions was a control issue, and if you have ever seen him throw during his Yankee minor league career, you would know that control and command are his best attributes.

            Whether it was getting used to a higher league, umpires squeezing him or some better hitters laying off pitches just off the corner (all of the above actually), Warren adjusted and has begun to be his usual low-walk, high production self.

            And the guy of Noesi, Warren or Phelps who should have been promoted instead of Gordon should be given the majority of starts until one of either Colon or Hughes comes back.

            When a guy is 24 years of age and throwing well in Triple A (or already in the majors), their “development” is pretty much complete.

            Time for the show.

            • The BIG 3

              Yeah, because that worked so well last time.

              http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....nt-2170436

              • Samuel

                Phelps had 100 more minor league innings under his belt than did Gordon when Gordon was signed.

                And Warren had about 80 less innings.

                Plus las ttime I looked, Ian Kennedy is doing pretty well.

                Just have to give the kids time, which Cash does not do.

                • The BIG 3

                  Why would you compare promising young starters to flotsam such as Gordon? Do you really believe the two should be treated similarly?

                  • Samuel

                    Based upon The Big 3’s comparison, yes.

        • Sayid J.

          I don’t see anything wrong with the Gordon signing. The Yankees thought he could outperform or equal the performance of their prospects without interrupting the development path of the real Yankee prospects. If they thought Phelps/Warren were better than Gordon, they would’ve brought them up.

        • CP

          So because you have a higher opinion of a handful of prospects than the Yankees do, it immediately means they don’t ‘promote from within’ or ‘trust their young players’?

          The do promote from within and trust young players. Just not every one. Which is the same thing every organization does.

        • It’sATarp

          Look at the minor league numbers. Gordon was better than any of our prospects when you go by his minor numbers.

      • The Fallen Phoenix

        Ironically, the Pavano example demonstrates that just because the industry forms a consensus on a player (amateur or otherwise), does not necessarily mean that transactions that reflect the industry consensus are the correct ones.

        The Atlanta Braves are generally considered to be pretty good at evaluating pitching, and they were only just outbid by the Yankees for A.J. Burnett.

        As for individual members of the industry, Keith Law (who, from what limited information I have, I like as an evaluator and personality) was pretty down on Ricky Romero for a long time – and he was in Toronto’s Front office when Romero was drafted. Now, Romero looks like one of the best starters in the AL East.

        The only young players in recent memory who I think the Yankees have seriously mishandled are Joba Chamberlain (not keeping him in the rotation after 2009) and Mark Melancon (never given a proper chance to stick in the Yankees bullpen). Jesus Montero may or may not get added to that list; I disagree with keeping him in the minors right now, but there is a legitimate argument to be made for not aggressively promoting him to the majors this year. I think the Yankees were right to return Kennedy to the minors in 2009, and I bet we would have seen him back in the Yankees rotation in 2010 (possibly to stick) if he weren’t used as a centerpiece in the Curtis Granderson trade.

        • Samuel

          Keith Law was down on Romero mainly because he was so high on Tulowitzki, and wanted to draft Tulo that year. It is not so much that Law did not like Romero but he really loved Tulo.

          The Jays were all set to grab Tulo when JP Ricciardi at the last moment overruled Law (and the rest of the scouting dept) and demanded they pick Romero over Tulo.

          And that is why Law is not in a front office anymore (and likely never will go back), and Tulo helpd beat the Yankees last night.

          • Pat D

            Law has said many times he prefers what he does now, and that he doesn’t really expect someone to offer him a F.O. job, but he’d consider it if it came along.

            But, yea, I wish people, when they disagree with one of his evaluations, don’t resort to the “that’s why he’s not in a ML F.O. anymore” comeback. It was his choice.

            • Samuel

              Law told me those exact words two years ago. His choice is to not work in a Major League front office again.

              “Consider” likely means for double or triple the money what he is making now but full control of the draft.

              That is not going to happen.

              Plus he now lives in Arizona and loves it there. Why switch?

        • Samuel

          Highly agree on Melancon.

          • CP

            What did they do wrong with Melancon?

            He was a reliever and they traded him for a veteran bench presence to help in the stretch run.

            • The Big City of Dreams

              Barely pitched him and when they did they threw him into the fire without room for error.

            • Samuel

              Melancon is a 26 year old closer with these numbers:

              http://www.baseball-reference......ma01.shtml

              When drafted he was the best college closer in the country and has an incredible fastball, curve and change. He goes right after hitters and has a bulldog mentality.

              What is not to like?

              The Yankees threw him against the Sox a few times in garbage time and he purposely plunked Pedroia and Youkilis.

              How can you not want to keep this guy for his full six “control” years?

              That trade of Melancon for Berkman was terrible. The Yanks let him go because he was in their “young guy did not succeed right away” program.

      • goterpsgo

        I miss Chien-Ming Wang pre-June ’08…

        • CP

          I forgot about him… he’s another young player they brought up.

    • Ace

      You never miss your water until the well runs dry!!

    • http://oldranger7.blogspot.com Ken R

      Samuel…

      If Cashman does leave, it would not be hard for his replacement to be successful having a large checkbook at his disposal, but…
      …for those who would love to see him leave, you never know what you really have until it is gone.
      ===================
      I believe you may have missed a point here Samuel….
      Cashman signed the best pitcher out there at the time…Carl Pavano, everyone wanted him, he got hurt, does that make it a bad signing….NO, does it look like a bad signing later in the year…YES! But at the time it was a very good catch. Kei was a bad one. AJ, still up in the air.
      Many Mgrs have stated many times, being GM for the Yankees is the hardest job in Baseball.
      How is Cash to bring up a rook, when we have guys with humungus contracts in those positions.
      He had CMW, Cano, Nunez, Pena, K-Rob, Joba, Phil, Brett, Nova,Boone, Noesi and Cervelli, what more can he do?

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    I know this is a bit of “pie in the sky” but I’d love to see Billy Beane as GM of the Yanks (IF Cash were to leave, which I don’t want).

    Between his strategy and the Yankee money, it would certainly be interesting.

    That being said, I think it’s a 1% chance. Mr. Moneyball has been in OakTown since 1998 and has some sort of minority ownership in the team.

    • 28 this year

      I don’t think Beane would succeed in NY the way he has in Oakland. Much of his strategy comes from playing to his ballpark which emphasizes pitching and defense and using those market inefficiencies (now changing but still) in order to succeed but in Yankee Stadium, teams have to be built differently. Plus, his big trades would be harder to pull off because the reaction to trading away stars in NY would be a lot different than the reaction in Oakland. I just don’t know whether he would succeed, at the very least, his entire strategy would have to be changed.

      • Ed

        You can’t go wrong emphasizing pitching.

        Defense is only Beane’s current thing. It used to be OBP. Underlying both of those things though is market inefficiency. He determines types of players that he feels aren’t being paid what they’re worth and builds his team around it.

        While’s Beane’s strategy works great for Oakland, it’s probably not the best for NY. It certainly helps if you can fill roster spots with undervalued players, but in NY you have the budget to pay market rate, or even to go beyond that if necessary. Beane’s never had to judge whether or not a certain player was worth $100m-$200m, how far to go in that range, what the right years should be, etc. So far anytime he’s identified a player in that contract ballpark, its meant he should stay away. That’s where my concern with Beane would be.

        • The Fallen Phoenix

          Brian Cashman and the Yankees were on OBP before Beane was, but nobody remembers that.

          On the other hand, Beane has absolutely had to judge what players are worth big money, such as when he chose to keep Chavez over Tejada, and Zito (granted, while he was still cost-controlled) over Mulder and Hudson.

          • Mike HC

            I’m pretty sure, that within baseball circles, they kind of smirk at the idea of the whole Billy Beane, “Moneyball,” phenomena. It made for a great story and book, but I think a lot of the ideas have been around for as long as there has been baseball, or close to it.

            • Mike HC

              Not to say that Beane isn’t above average, to excellent, at executing those ideas, which is just as, if not more, important.

              • The Fallen Phoenix

                I would agree. I’m personally a huge fan of Beane, but I think he does get overrated from time to time.

          • Ed

            Yeah, Beane wasn’t the first to value OBP, it’s that his reasoning was different.

            Cashman valued OBP because it’s a good skill. The best hitters will have a great OBP, and Cashman will pay top dollar for it. Beane’s observation was that for a while, when you looked at the market for non-star players, OBP wasn’t valued as highly as it should be. Beane focused on those players because he felt he could sign them for less than they were worth.

            There’s always going to be areas where players aren’t paid what they’re really worth. Some types of players will be overpaid, others underpaid. Beane’s skill was being ahead and finding areas where people were underpaid. He’s in a small market, so he had to. With the Yankees payroll, maximizing wins per $ isn’t as important as just maximizing wins.

            For the big money, how many big contracts has Beane given out? Chavez is the big one I can remember – and that one didn’t work out well at all.

            The Zito/Mulder/Hudson stuff is exactly what I mean. He had three good pitchers approaching free agency, and rather than deal with who should get a big contract, he traded two and let the third walk. I’m also don’t think he kept Zito because he liked him best, but simply because he was offered better trades for the other two.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona

      In Oakland Beane is always building for the future that never seems to come, in New York, the future is always now.

      • Frigidevil

        This, but maybe his strategy will change with the deep pockets of the Steinbrenners.

        • nick

          it most certainly would, the funniest thing to me is always reading that GMs or whatever wouldn’t work in big or smaller market because the strategy they currently run under wouldn’t work. I think that’s very naive to think that they wouldn’t adapt to their surroundings, such as Cashman/Epstein in a smaller market, or Beane in a bigger one for example. These guys are really really frekin smart. They’d adapt, get people under them that understand their limitations, and likely do quite well IMO.

      • YankeesJunkie

        A 200 million payroll and the players the Yankees have make it a different ball game. Considering that players like Granderson and Swisher are cost controlled to the Yankees is a luxury.

  • Rip

    The writing has been on the walls for some time now. Wouldn’t be a surprise. Just a damn shame owners can’t let their baseball people handle baseball. Still think Soriano was a good deal Hal?

    • Jorge

      Right, because every single person on this board has never had to do something they didn’t agree with because their superiors asked them to, or weren’t overruled by them. Everyone reports to someone.

      • CP

        And there are quite a few people that quit their jobs because their bosses overrule them one too many times to do something stupid.

        I have no idea whether Cashman will leave or not, but it certainly wouldn’t be the first time someone quit because of an overbearing boss.

        • Mike HC

          I think the media/fan pressure, fish bowl type atmosphere of the NY Yankee job, and extreme stress of having to win the championship every year is the true reason. Less so the overbearing bosses. But probably a combo of a lot of things.

        • Ro

          Er..and yeah..

          “And there are quite a few people that quit their jobs because their bosses overrule them one too many times to do something stupid.”

          yeah those people..uh..us..make $50k or $100k a year and its likely working in some cubicle. Not making a few million managing the New York Yankees perhaps one of the most well branded corporations in the world. Great comparison. Thanks.

          I’ll say it on here once, Cashman ain’t going anywhere. Not yet anyway. He signs another 3 year deal for mucho dollars. Hal is smart enough to know this. One thing is Cashman is young and he has all the time to do the “rebuild a team” thing. There aren’t many appealing teams for him to go work for correct. People on here talk about him just getting up and leaving. For where? The White Sox? If he goes somewhere it will be like Towers and the Diamondbacks with an owner with some money. Who else? The Astro’s? That’s not a rebuild, that’s a nightmare.

          Cashman isn’t going anywhere. His name is almost become synonymous with Yankees.

      • Slugger27

        what does this have to do with anything? of course he has a boss, and of course he can get overruled. that doesnt mean he wont politely defer to them until his contract is up, and then go to a team where this doesnt happen nearly as often.

        hes been dealing with this his entire tenure from george to hank to hal. soriano could have been the final straw

  • Jorge

    The image of Buster Olney with his pants down as he comes up with something like this needs to get out of my head. Please stop.

  • 28 this year

    A replacement would have to have the trust of the Steinbrenners/Levine. Hal is the least likely to meddle but with a new guy, I feel like Hank and/or Levine will meddle too much and that would be detrimental. Hank and Levine meddled for Arod and Soriano but who knows how many times Cash managed to block them and stop them. Thats really the key about a replacement and that is what makes me nervous. With that in mind, I think as a fan, it would be fun to have someone new just because it gives us more to talk about and more to analyze but if that means more mistakes, i dont know what I want.

  • CP

    “I think maybe he’s finally had it,” said one GM. “That’s a job that will take a lot out of you.” “I don’t think he has any idea how different his life would be if he wasn’t general manager of the Yankees,”

    Wow. That’s some hard hitting, insider information in those quotes.

    • Slugger27

      im still a little confused by that last line. is it implying that he has it good and will miss it? or is it implying the grass is definitely greener, and that he’ll enjoy full autonomy much more?

  • Dave

    What a lot of people don’t give Cashman credit for is simply surviving in this job. There might be better baseball minds out there, but there probably aren’t many who are capable of humbling themselves in the way Cashman has. Epstein, for instance, would last maybe 20 minutes. Replacing Cashman with someone who is able to negotiate the pure baseball stuff and deal with the bosses and the complicated organizational set-up will be very difficult, and it wouldn’t at all surprise me if after he leaves they have 4 or 5 GM’s over the next decade, resulting in an organizational chaos that will make it difficult to compete even with the financial advantage.

    • Mike HC

      Considering his youth and rise through the system, it is not surprising he started off as humble and a whipping boy. As the success mounted, the original boss died, and his reputation grew stronger around the league, he got a bit more brazen. Cashman made a name for himself, got more “hand,” (Seinfeld reference), and has used it this past offseason and into this season.

  • David, Jr.

    Levine is the obvious choice. Much smarter than baseball people like Cashman. Jeter can be his assistant, so they can get something out of the remainder of his contract.

    • Mike HC

      Sadly, the idea of a Levine and Jeter combo running the Yanks in the not too distant future is actually not that ludicrous. Although I think Jeter has said he wants to be ownership or nothing.

  • Mike HC

    “I don’t think he has any idea how different his life would be if he wasn’t general manager of the Yankees,” said said another exec.

    Most likely a lot less winning.

    • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I love how people assume his day to day life must be INSANE because he’s the GM of the Yankees. Dude wakes up in what I’m sure is a very nice home in Fairfield County and goes to work every day at state-of-the-art new Yankee Stadium for the most successful team/org in baseball. I’ve long said how much I wish some of the more annoying aspects of the NYY GM job would go away, but let’s not assume this guy is literally cowering in a corner all day with people yelling and throwing things around the office. I bet his day-to-day life, 95% of the time, is actually pretty sweet.

      In fact, who knows… I was talking about the Cashman situation during the offseason on twitter and someone asked me, gun to my head, do I think he walks after the 2011 season and I said yeah, if I HAVE to guess, I think he’s walking… But I’m re-thinking things. I wouldn’t be surprised if he walked, and I continue to be surprised by the way he’s changed his public persona over the last couple of years, but the man does seem content in his job and does always say he doesn’t want to leave. Who knows.

      • Mike HC

        Who knows, is right. I have no doubt that the NY Yankees GM job is the most stressful GM job in baseball. How much more stressful than the Red Sox job, or any other major market team job, I don’t know. Cashman has to judge to that and make that decision for himself. I’m sure money and the different offers he gets will also play a role.

        With all the negotiating Cashman has done, whether he wants to stay or not, he is not stupid enough to not at least use the Yanks for negotiating leverage for other teams.

  • JohnnyC

    Must be a slow news day for Buster. Good thing he protected the identities of the sources who gave him those inflammatory remarks.

    • Mike HC

      Reporters don’t actually have to report any news anymore. They can bullshit and speculate like the rest of us and throw in the anonymous source line. In fairness, sometimes those sources are correct and they do have more information than us.

      • Zack D

        I have no problem with anonymous source when you’re talking about illegal actions from gov’t, corporations, and serious stuff like that.
        But protecting a rival exec who’s giving his opinion about what his competitor is going to do in the future? Come on.

        • Mike HC

          Nobody would ever talk to Olney again if he attributed a quote like that directly to an executive. Olney is protecting himself, not the rival exec.

          • Zack D

            True. So hopefully he releases the name so I don’t have to hear about his sources anymore.

            • Mike HC

              haha, agreed.

  • JohnnyC

    Cashman must be using the same career advisors that Riggleman relied on.

    • crawdaddie

      You don’t see Cashman quiting mid-season.

    • Slugger27

      couldnt be more apples and oranges

  • Skip

    Yawn. This will not resolve until the offseason when Cashman either has a new contract or leaves. Only two endpoints are possible and the resolution won’t come until then so I won’t even bother listening to anonymous sources with those amazingly insightful facts.

    Hey, Buster, I heard this: “When your contract is up you might leave your current job.” Wonderful, I wish I could be paid for this.

    • Evan3457

      Schr?dinger’s GM.

      • Evan3457

        No umlauts. Aw.

  • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    Anonmous exec: “I think maybe he’s finally had it. That’s a job that will take a lot out of you.”

    Cashman: “I’m not looking to leave. I’m not looking to go anywhere. I firmly believe this will be the best job I’ll ever have. We’ll have conversations at the right time.”

    I mean, I’ve been surprised by the way Cashman’s acted in the last couple of years, but I’m not seeing where Olney gets this story from. Write about Cashman’s public persona the last couple of years and speculate all you want, but to base this post on the speculation of other people? It’s all pretty flimsy.

    • bonestock94

      Olney got it from Olney. I wonder what percentage of “unnamed sources” are writers just covering up their own speculation.

      • The Fallen Phoenix

        Or rival executives who are terrified that Cashman will continue to do an above-average to great job (all things considered) running a franchise with the most resources at its disposal, continuing to make their jobs more difficult.

        • bonestock94

          Eh, I bet it’s more the writers than anything.

      • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Let’s not go overboard, now. You’re accusing the guy of making up his source? That’s ridiculous.

        • http://twitter.com/JoeRo23 The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Actually, maybe I take the whole comment back to begin with. I don’t think Olney made up his source, nor do I think it’s not fair game to speculate about Cashman’s future. I got the impression Olney was basing his post on giving more credence to the speculation than to Cashman’s statements to the contrary, but I really don’t have a problem with Olney saying ‘Cashman’s been acting weird, and people around MLB think he might be on the way out.’

          • The BIG 3

            I would bet he did make up the source. This whole ‘Cash is being more open with his opinions, something’s up’ has been around for a lot longer then that Olney article.

            It’s actually old news.

        • bonestock94

          I think it happens a lot. Just my opinion of course.

    • Zack D

      It’s no different than any speculation piece that gets written, IMO. The writer talks to people behind the scene and they give him quotes that goes directly against what the player/coach/GM has said in the past, and people believe the “anonymous source” and the player/coach/GM is lying.

  • Zack D

    If Cashman was quiet this year would the narrative be “Rival Execs: Cashman is looking to sneak out the back door quietly while Yankees collapse“?

    • Mike HC

      “Cashman ready to jump ship as the Core Fore continue to sink.”

      • Mike HC

        *Four

      • Zack D

        +1, that’s much better than mine.

        • Mike HC

          haha, writing fake headlines is always fun.

          • The Big City of Dreams

            Whoever knew it was that easy. How much do those headline writers get paid?

  • infernoscurse

    i dont want cashman to leave but if he did id give the job to oppenheimer

  • Bpdelia

    I tend to be very conservative in these matters. As a yankee fan since the late 70s this 19 year run of awesome success has been really nice. No jeff johnson, wadr taylor.

    No clsudell washington (sadly at the time one of my faves).

    No thanx. A bird in hand etc.

  • CMP

    If Cashman left, I think it would be at least partly because he wants to prove his success wasn’t solely based on the Steinbrenner’s money.

    I’ve always thought he’s been a pretty much average GM but I think his new no pulling punches approach will come in handy over the next few years dealing with their aging superstars.

    Part of his job sometimes is to be the bad guy and he seems up to that part of things.

    • Slugger27

      i dont even think he should have to play the bad guy with their aging superstars. crawford just signed a $142M contract with the red sox. they bat him 8th against lefties. is it really THAT big of a deal to bat jeter 6th/7th against righties?

      in my opinion, the fact that it hasnt been done yet shows me hes not even being as tough as he needs to be, and neither is girardi.

      • Zack D

        They’re not as tough as they need to be, but you can’t compare Crawford to this.

  • Minka Jeter

    My problem is the lack of learning from mistakes. The fact that he tried to sign Pavano again this offseason is ridiculous. But again, how much are the ‘behind the scenes’ crew ordering him around. I don’t know if any GM’s are gonna be super successful with Hank, Hal, and the others calling the shots….. But Hal’s wife is so hot! yummy!

    • Zack D

      Why was a one year offer to Pavano ridiculous?

    • Skip

      This kind of exemplifies what separates us casual fans from the people who actually make decisions based on baseball knowledge and backed up by in depth analysis and scouting that is proprietary so we will never see.

      You and I would have hated signing Carl Pavano again because he had 4 forgettable and regrettable years in New York. Our emotions play into not wanting him back. But, if you were the general manager of X team and was in dire need of starting pitching because you missed out on the biggest free agent of the year and one of your strongest starting pitchers decided to retire, you would examine all options. That would include a pitcher with a 3.75 ERA/4.02 FIP/3.86 xFIP and 51% ground ball rate. You wouldn’t necessarily SIGN this pitcher, but you would investigate this pitcher as an option for your severely weakened rotation.

      Now, substitute “Brian Cashman” for “you,” “Yankees” for “x-team” and “Carl Pavano” for pitching option in the previous paragraph. Also sprinkle in Cliff Lee and Andy Pettite where appropriate.

      Also, considering that you signed a 38 year old, very overweight pitcher who hadn’t thrown in the major leagues for 2 years and a pitcher who throws an 88 MPH fastball as legitimate options for your team, wouldn’t a pitcher who actually did well the previous year in Carl Pavano be a reasonable baseball option, emotions removed?

  • steve s

    I don”t blame Cashman for wanting out. If his public outbursts and weirdness over the past year were the result of being ordered to be the bad guy by the Yankee front office then maybe his conscience got to him. If his public outbursts were coming from him without being prompted by the front office then he’s simply a guy on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Either way it seems he would benefit greatly from a change of scenery.

  • The BIG 3

    Not a single thought, YOU SPOILED, ENTITLED D-BAGS! j/k

    Great GM’s often leave at the top, I’ve observed. The Steinbrenner Bank is dead. Lee was negotiated with instead of thrown money at. Soriano was the only real money spent since George passed, and really, that contract is chump change.

    Ignoring the Jeter contract, which had more to do with the gate than anything else, there’s no chance the new hierarchy is going to introduce a little fiscal responsibility, and with well over $100m tied up in a handful of aging players for the next couple of years, Cash sees the writing on the wall?

    Blasphemy, right?

    • Chris

      Soriano was the only real money spent? The previous off season they spent plenty. They also offered Lee more guaranteed money than anyone, so I don’t really see the spending being that much different.

      • Chris

        Sorry, it was 08 when they spent, of course. Still, I didn’t see them passing over any free agents after 09 ( didn’t see them going after Lackey, Holliday, or Bay regardless of cost). Plus, Soriano is paid a lot for a middle reliever. I doubt any other team would pay that much.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          didn’t see them going after Lackey, Holliday, or Bay regardless of cost

          And you’re complaining about this? Two of those three guys are absolutely horrible. Holliday’s yet another $100M contract and Granderson is producing just as well for a fraction of the cost.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Oh wait, I misread. My bad. Disregard.

      • The BIG 3

        Both your points are moot as I said, “since George passed”. I’ve understood that George wasn’t involved in daily operations for a long time, but I’ve never bought that he stopped being top dog years ago, up to until he actually passed away and final decisions on the direction of the organization were made by others.

        • Chris

          I don’t see a definitive change in the spending and they haven’t in my opinion passed over anyo0ne obvious since he died.I don’t think he had the mental capacity to make any decisions in the last years of his life. That’s why he didn’t do many interviews and was hidden, mostly from view.

          • The BIG 3

            The basis for my post/point is that Lee was allowed to sign elsewhere. CC wasn’t, what’s the difference?

            • Chris

              Lee took less guaranteed money.

              • The BIG 3

                So? And CC wanted nothing to do with pitching in NY, but the money got it done because he received gobs of it.

                There’s no question that the two were treated differently, even though were both mandatory acquisitions. I’ve never read a good reason why.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  Mandatory? Hardly.

                  They were treated differently because they were different situations. CC’s was younger and with a much longer track record, and the team was also much more desperate for an ace.

                  • The BIG 3

                    You don’t think CC’s size and lack of success vs the ALE vs Lee’s age had the two risks pretty even?

                    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                      Nope, and the Yankees obviously didn’t either. “Lack of success” is a relative term, CC was still outstanding vs. the ALE compared to everyone else.

                    • The BIG 3

                      On one hand I’m willing to accept that Cash thought less of Lee, so wasn’t going to offer him the same money as CC, or whatever it took to get him here. On the other hand, I don’t think I’m the only one who thought he was the number one target this past offseason, and it certainly seemed – especially with the failed Seattle trade – that Cash was totally committed to acquiring him.

                      You sure there is zero possibility Cash was limited on the amount of money he could offer? None?

                • Chris

                  There’s no way of knowing if Lee would have signed for an increaswd offer or if a living, mentally healthy ( which he wasn’t for the last few years of his life so I dispute your point that he was making decisions in his last years) George would have offered more ( or if that would have even been a good idea). C.C. and Lee are 2 different people, who knows if they have the same priorities?

                  • The BIG 3

                    True, we are all assuming. I just can’t help to assume though, that if Lee was offered, say, 6/162 he’d be pitching in NY.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

              The basis for my post/point is that Lee was allowed to sign elsewhere.

              The Yankees didn’t “allow” Lee to do anything. He wasn’t their property, he’s not a child, he’s a grown man that made a decision. They made him an offer they were comfortable with. That’s it.

              • The BIG 3

                Care to opine why Lee isn’t pitching in Cleveland?

                The money got it done. The money always gets it done.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                  Because they traded him?

                  • The BIG 3

                    Come one, Mike, we’re not children here. You know damn well why he was traded.

                    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                      Yeah, because they weren’t going to be able to afford him as a free agent. Nothing wrong with that.

  • Chris

    P.S. George may have been alive in the off season after 08, but obviously he wasn’t in control and his sons had no problem spending.

  • Rainbow Connection

    He should just retire. He has enough money, right?

  • vinny-b

    with no in-house candidates, i wonder if the Yankees could convince someone like Terry Ryan (currently a scout with Minn Twins) to come to the Yankees ?

    for the record: I hope Cashmoney doesn’t leave.

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  • Bob Stone

    I hope Cashman stays and my guess is that he will.

  • Colin

    If they wanted to promote from within the organization I think Billy Eppler would be a good choice. The Yankees do make some good low end pick ups – like Garcia, Colon, Small, etc. – and he seems pretty cool after reading this article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03.....ppler.html

    At the same time I know the Diamondbackcs wanted to interview Oppenheimer and the Yanks wouldn’t let him. But I’ve been a little disappointed with the last few drafts, and some decisions he’s made (even if we cant tell yet if they were right or wrong).

  • Rookie

    Methinks Olney’s comments tell you more about Olney than Cashman.

    Never waste an opportunity to rip the Yankees — or add to the cost of them re-upping someone.