Jun
28

Trade season starting early for the Yanks

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The trade deadline is just 33 days away, but we have yet to see any major activity. Rumors continue to fly, but everything remains speculative at this point. The Yankees will surely inquire on any pitcher who can upgrade the rotation or bullpen, but all currently available pitchers are either a marginal upgrade at best, or carry major baggage. But that’s OK, says Brian Cashman. In the Post today Joel Sherman has some quotes from the Yanks GM, and he sounds pretty upbeat about his team’s chances.

“I don’t think I can trade for any starter that is better than Bartolo Colon or Phil Hughes, or a reliever better than Rafael Soriano,” he told Sherman. To an extent this is right. All three pitchers are on the disabled list, and all three are on the road to a Bronx return. The statement applies a bit less to Colon, since they lost him recently and still have the glaring hole in the rotation that he left. He will, in other words, retake his own spot. The real pick-ups, in terms of what we have become accustomed to this season, will be Hughes and Soriano. Both pitched poorly during their short times with the team, and both are far better than that. They’ll be major upgrades around deadline time.

With both Colon and Hughes off the DL, the Yankees rotation looks a bit more palatable. Either Freddy Garcia or Ivan Nova would move to the bullpen, which could help solidify that unit. Even after that, the Yankees could make another move to push the other of Garcia and Nova to the pen, to AAA. That’s not to say that neither of them is a fit for the Yanks as the No. 5 starter. It is to say that the Yankees probably won’t shy away from pitching this year just because they have five or six healthy arms. They know from recent experience how quickly that can change.

Last year at about this time the Yankees had five guys solidly in their rotation. A.J. Burnett‘s wheels came off in June, but it’s not as though his rotation spot was in immediate jeopardy. Javy Vazquez, after a rough start, had turned in several fine performances. Phil Hughes was still going well. When the Yankees pursued Cliff Lee, one refrain we heard was that they already had five starters — the five starters they had on Opening Day. Was another one really necessary? As it turned out, yes, they did need another starter. Javy fell back off the cliff; Pettitte got hurt; Hughes struggled with the longball; Burnett pitched better but never really regained his form. By the time the playoffs rolled around the Yankees had one top flight pitcher followed by a guy who hadn’t completely recovered from injury, followed by a bunch of question marks.

The question right now, and for the foreseeable future, is of whom the Yankees can target. Right now there appears to be nothing, and as Cashman says, he “can’t make it happen if it is not there.” Perhaps the most relieving part of Sherman’s column comes around the middle, when he says that the Yankees “have shown no interest in high-cost veterans with dubious stuff.” He then lists the pitchers from non-contenders who have been mentioned in trade talks: Brett Myers, Carlos Zambrano, Ryan Dempster, Edwin Jackson, Livan Hernandez, and Jason Marquis. While there might be some upside to discuss in Dempster and Jackson, chances are the cost of acquiring them won’t be worth the value they’d add over what the Yankees currently carry. And that, really, hits the point of this entire trade season.

There will come a time in the next 33 days when the Yankees talk to a team about a pitcher who can make a difference. It might not be a bona fide ace, but the Yankees don’t necessarily need one of those; they already have one. It’s good to hear that the Yankees won’t make a move for a high-priced veteran with a recognizable name just because they can. That’s not going to help anyone. The market will develop from here, and the Yankees patient approach should pay off come July 31st.

Categories : Trade Deadline

225 Comments»

  1. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Cash needs to do everything in his power to get a number 2ish guy. I love Colon but I don’t like banking on him to remain this great until the playoffs.

    Hughes is a huge question mark and at this point it’s kinda silly to assume he’ll be back in the rotation. And even then we don’t know if we get first half 2010 Hughes or second half. There’s a fuckton of assumptions about Hughes.

  2. Granderslam says:

    I keep reading about the Yankees interest in Mike Adams. That would be fantastic, but I’m not sure about his availability. Also, Clippard might be on the trading block- of course, who knows if the Yankees are potential trading partners. I know they are looking for a CF, so that does not seem to be a fit. I am sure decent trades will come along that can help us in the playoffs. Still early.

    • Every piece of available information says the same thing: The Padres are interested in moving their relievers who are free agents at season’s end (Bell, Qualls) but have no intention of trading their relievers still under contract/team control for 2012 (Adams, Gregerson).

      And Clippard’s probably not available either; the Nats are hot, they got Zimmerman back, and just hired Davey Johnson. They’re probably going to keep Marquis and become buyers instead of sellers.

      • jsbrendog says:

        i hope so, i think it’d be really good for baseball to see the nl become the nl beast too. and it’d be funny to watch the lolmets slide to last

        • Xstar7 says:

          “and it’d be funny to watch the lolmets slide to last”

          The Florida Marlins say hi

          • jsbrendog says:

            they’re a summer team. and im also talking long term. the beast is not borne overnight

            • Xstar7 says:

              Yeah, the Nationals are going to become a major pain in the ass in the near future.

              • MannyGeee says:

                Yeah, the Nationals Rays are going to become a major pain in the ass in the near future.

                Circa 2008

                Yeah, the Nationals Royals are going to become a major pain in the ass in the near future.

                Circa 2009

                Yeah, the Nationals Pirates are going to become a major pain in the ass in the near future.

                Circa 2010

                This too shall pass.

                • jsbrendog says:

                  uhh, the rays did. and it has only been a year or two for the pirates and royals.

                  ::wipes down microwave::

                  • Jim S says:

                    Also the Pirates are already above .500, they’re arguably a major pain in the ass right now

                  • bexarama says:

                    To be fair, people have been saying this about the Orioles for like 5+ years now, and yeaaaah

                  • MannyGeee says:

                    you worried about the Rays still?

                    what I am saying is that we get this same warning about ‘Small-To-Mid Market Team X’ every year, and they have flash in the pan staying power.

                    ‘This too shall pass’

                    • bexarama says:

                      you worried about the Rays still?

                      If you’re not, that’s foolish. They had the best record in the AL last year, it’s not like they’re so far from competing this year, and they have a very good farm system, and they’re soon gonna add some guys from this past draft where they had something like 400 billion picks. It’s silly to write off the Rays.

  3. jon says:

    it sounds like colon will be pitching this weekend. He practiced bunting today

  4. CP says:

    I’m still holding out hope that Cash can acquire Liriano.

  5. Cy Pettitte says:

    Pitching, both starting and relief looks like it’s gonna be quite expensive at the deadline. Picking up a guy like Adams, Bell, or K-Rod and a #2 starter would be great, as long as they don’t pay an absurd price. I don’t know how much I’d like Cash paying up for a guy that might only be a marginal improvement.

    Right now I’d just be concerned with getting Colon, Phil, Soriano, Chavez and maybe even Feliciano back. You add those guys back and this is a very, very good team.

    • KRod and Edwin Jackson still seem like the best blend of pitching ability and motivated seller. They’re both good enough to actually present an upgrade, and neither of them fits into the long-term needs of their teams.

      Edwin might be a little tougher get, only because the Pale Hoes have climbed back into it a little bit and thus Kenny Williams might want a major league piece that helps for 2011 instead of just a marginal prospect. But there’s still a real possibility there, they have 6 starters and want to get something of value for one of them.

  6. Frank says:

    Sherman also mentioned in the same article the possibilty of the Cubs moving Garza. I think he’d be a nice pick up although his constant spitting drives me nuts.

    • jsbrendog says:

      he would cost a lot.

      • Frank says:

        Might be worth it though. He’s young, healthy and more importantly, has a pretty good track record in the AL east.

        • jsbrendog says:

          im not disagreeing but what would you have to give up? that’s the problem. and he is having somewhat of a down year, would chicago sell low? prob not and then what if this is not a blip but a sign of things to come or an injury? then you buy high on a low commodity and get hosed…

    • MannyGeee says:

      Garza is in the Montero-trade territory. Not positive I am biting there.

      But if the conversation started anywhere below Montero/Banuelos, I would listen.

  7. When I asked if the Dodgers’ financial plight is such that they would consider dealing Clayton Kershaw before his first arbitration year for a boatload of prospects, an NL personnel man said, “MLB will treat the Dodgers like the Rangers last year and will not sell off parts because they want it to be as attractive to prospective buyers as possible.”

    Please, please, please, Yankee fans, take this anonymous source to heart. He’s right. Stop dreaming of Kershaw, Billingsley, Kemp, or Ethier. They’re not available. Yes, the Dodgers are a disastrophe right now, but no, they’re not selling off their young superstars just for short-term financial relief (even a shit-ton of it). Selig and the other 29 owners will just pay the bills and keep the club afloat until they can find a buyer, and a buyer will pay more for a Dodgers team with Kershaw/Billingsley/Kemp/Ethier than one without those players. Much more.

    Kuroda is probably the only decent piece in LA actually for sale. And even that might not be accurate, Kuroda loves LA and is popular there.

  8. jaremy says:

    E-Jax is the only guy I really want, assuming we can’t get Liriano. But it all depends on the cost. If it’s two minor league pieces with, say, 4 starter or 3rd OF upside,, sure. If it’s a Killer B, Heathcott or similar, pass…

    • jsbrendog says:

      why does everyone want liriano? he is awful and there is no guarantee he will ever be the same again.

      • CP says:

        Liriano had a bad month. It happens.

        • jsbrendog says:

          he was league average in 080 in 14 starts, GOD AWFUL with his 79 era+ in 09 in 24 stats, good last year, and bad this year. in the last 4 years he has one not shitty yr with an era+ of 117 in 31 starts. how can you say that that is who he is and not the other 3 years?

          he put together good starts too occassionally in his 09 campaign. how is this year different?

          • CP says:

            Well, in 2008 he was just coming back from TJ surgery, so it’s not completely surprising that he struggled. He had a bad year in 2009, but seemed to figure it out in 2010 (at age 26, so it’s not an obvious fluke).

            In 2009, his best FIP for a month was 3.87. In the last month, Liriano’s FIP is at 2.10. Add that to last year and the fact that he’s only 27 and I think there’s a ton of upside.

          • Clay Bellinger says:

            6 of his 8 starts in May and June were pretty solid. He’s a little like AJ.. Erratic, kinda unreliable, but sometimes he can be really really good.

    • Jobu The Voodoo Troll says:

      You need three outfielders. The big league team’s 3rd outfielder this year is Swisher.

  9. MannyGeee says:

    Per Rosenthol:

    Kuroda, 36, would appeal to the Rockies and other teams in need of starting pitching, but he turned down better offers to re-sign with the Dodgers for one year and $12 million. He is comfortable in Los Angeles, and only would waive his no-trade clause if he received some form of compensation, a source said.

    What is ‘some form of compensation’ mean? monetary? muffin basket? If there is any team that can afford ‘compensation’, its got to be the Yankees, right?

    • jsbrendog says:

      veteran presents.

    • Cris Pengiuci says:

      That compensation is most likely in the form of a contract extension/renegotiation. With his age, are the Yankees willing to do that? Is he necessary for next year? (Perhaps.) Will he be worth what he requests?

      They defnintely need to kick the tires, but this could be a tough one as well.

      • MannyGeee says:

        Willing? possibly. some sort of compensation rarely scares off the Yankees.

        Neccessary? hell, Colon and Garcia were not neccessary in December when we were gonna sign Cliff Lee. Yet here we are.

        Worth what he requests? if its another year, I think so. If its a multi year? no way.

  10. Levi says:

    John Danks please.
    Relatively low (perceived) value currently. His lefthandedness paired with Gardner in left and Grandy in center would offset his mediocre GB rate (42%). I could deal with a 3.99/4.21/4.17 e/f/x pitcher in the 2/3 slot.

    • TonyB says:

      John danks would be perfect but he just went on the 15 day dl

      • Levi says:

        True, what I meant was, see if he’s available in middle to late July after he’s back and has a few starts under his belt. He strikes me as a guy who “underperforms” in K-Will’s eyes, so he wouldn’t be opposed to shipping him out.

      • Jobu The Voodoo Troll says:

        BUY LOW!

  11. As for Liriano, an AL scout said, “His own organization doesn’t like him. He started Game 1 of the playoffs last year, and they never even talked about signing him long-term. That is because they bump heads about his style; they want contact, he wants strikeouts, and they know he is an injury waiting to happen. He has the stuff to hold a good team to one run in seven innings and the erratic style to give up six runs in two innings and the delivery to be on the DL 10 days after you get him. So what do you give up for that?”

    Ivan Nova, Corban Joseph, Shaffer Hall, and Melky Mesa?

    • jsbrendog says:

      is liriano really that much of an upgrade over nova though? even potential wise?

      well, yeah i guess potential wise…but still…i dunno. trading the devil you know for the devil you don’t

      • It’s an upside play. You’re hoping you get the good Liriano and not the bad Liriano.

        Risky, yes, but I see the wisdom in it. And, FWIW, Liriano is still just entering his prime.

        • MannyGeee says:

          It’s an upside play. You’re hoping you get the good Liriano and not the bad Liriano.

          oh sweet! so its russian roulette 2 starts out of the rotation instead of just the one with AJ. that should age us gracefully!

      • CP says:

        He would be a significant upgrade. He struggled at the start of the season, but has been lights out since coming back from the DL (for shoulder imflammation). With his injury history, I don’t know that he would be a candidate for a Sabathia type FA deal, but he’s under team control for the next year and a half. Also, if the Twins aren’t high on him then he can hopefully come cheaply.

        • Clay Bellinger says:

          I don’t if he’s been lights out, he didn’t make it out of the 4th in his last start, but yes he’s been pretty solid and could represent a nice buy-low risk in a trade.

          • CP says:

            He has a 2.10 FIP since coming off the DL. I’m not going to get worked up over one start (good or bad). For example, I don’t care that he threw a no hitter, because he actually pitched pretty poorly (6 BB, 2 K).

            • Clay Bellinger says:

              Hey, I’m for getting him anyway… hadn’t even realized his FIP was that low since his return.

    • David, Jr. says:

      What Sherman wrote about Liriano is perfectly in sync with what I posted here before. First, it was from a personal conversation with a MN sportswriter, and then from hearing it on the radio from Patrick Reusse, another MN sportswriter.

      They both said close to the same thing, that the Twins didn’t like Liriano much, certainly not enough to sign him and rely on him as a key piece going forward. The first guy said that he is not a hard worker, kind of a pain in the ass. He also said the same thing about Delmon Young.

      Liriano will very likely be available, as the Twins are now entering “blow it up” territory.

      The bottom line should be an offer exactly like what you propose, and even giving up Nova might be too much, although the risk certainly comes with potential reward for the Yankees.

  12. Jobberwocky says:

    Hughes with a 4.97 ERA as a starter is a major upgrade?

  13. It'sATarp says:

    This year’s trade market is absolutely dreadful compared to last year’s (Haren, Oswalt, Lee) (Greinke and Garza in the off season) or even the year before ( Halladay and Lee) I rather just sit back wait.

    • Jobberwocky says:

      Right so why didn’t they acquire any of those guys?

      • Because they weren’t available to us at reasonable prices, and/or we got outbid by other teams more desperate and more willing to pay a premium, and/or other teams preferred the package offered by another team for strategic/personal preference reasons, and/or other teams fear taking a PR hit by trading a star to the Yankees…

        Tons of reasons. Valid reasons beyond our control, for the most part.

        • Jobberwocky says:

          #homerwithnothingbutexcuses

          Haren could have been had for Hughes or Joba.

          • Rick in Boston says:

            Is there a documented source for that? Arizona also landed at least one stud prospect pitcher (which everyone seems to gloss over).

      • It'sATarp says:

        First off Haren was a mistake..but that is 100% hindsight because for whatever reason Arizona really liked Saunders (he winz games!) We went hard for Lee and missed him based on a stupid ankle problem which really wasn’t much. Greinke is well…i’ll say the FO messed up on that one because of his mental assessment and that the royals ended up with more of quantity over quality.. Garza and Halladay were both inter division trades which meant the price for them would have been much higher than what the teams got. The only ones i think we truly miss are Haren due to his lower cost but Arizona wanted more MLB ready players and Greinke because we didn’t really try.

        • First off Haren was a mistake..but that is 100% hindsight because for whatever reason Arizona really liked Saunders (he winz games!)

          Tyler Skaggs. Tyler Skaggs. Tyler Skaggs.

          • It'sATarp says:

            Skaggs hasn’t cracked AA yet…he has upside but Skaggs really has no effect on the what the Diamondbacks wanted from us b/c the deal was done after the yanks backed off… The reports have the Diamondbacks wanting Nova and Joba as the center pieces. But like it said it’s still hindsight because we don’t know what else they wanted. But from the info we are given it’s hard to say what happens (hence hindisght).

            • The BIG 3 says:

              Re: Skaggs
              Hint: Bats: Left, Throws: Left.

              • ItsATarp says:

                Like I said Angels got haren after yanks backed off…it’s like someone asking to sell you something for 100. You say no, then someone else comes and buys it for 150…it was bad in hindsight but maybe not at the moment…remember Skaggs was a PTBNL. Just my opinion on the deal.

                • The BIG 3 says:

                  Rumors were that Zona required a young Lefty.

                  http://www.baseball-reference......nuel001man

                  • It'sATarp says:

                    “The two teams did swap names Friday, the source said. But the Yankees rejected a Diamondbacks proposal that would have sent Joba Chamberlain, highly regarded pitching prospect Ivan Nova and two other prospects to Arizona for Haren.

                    The Yankees, instead, have proposed an entirely prospect-based deal, which Arizona rejected. Diamondbacks president Derrick Hall told reporters in Phoenix that other teams had made offers of “at least equal value” to what the Yankees proposed.”

                    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ren-32517/

                    I never read any article that said they wanted ManBan….so you can’t just assume they wanted him.

                  • It'sATarp says:

                    also one of the minor leaguer that was rumored was NOT ManBan but Zach McAllister.

                    • The BIG 3 says:

                      Zach is a righty. I stand by my statement; reportedly, Arizona required the lefty Banuelos.

                      Agree that none of us will ever know if that rumor was valid or not.

  14. Guest says:

    I don’t currently see a match out there.

    I think given the mashing ability of the offense, the surprising effectiveness of the starting staff through nearly the half-way point of the season, and the returns of hughes and colon, the Yanks are a pretty solid bet to make the playoffs (at the very least, they need to improve the back of the rotation to make the playoffs).

    Therefore, for a pitch to really add value, he has to be the kind of now doubt legit 2 that would make us feel great in the playoffs. That guy would be worth using some of our prospect chips. That guy would certainly help in the quest for 28. That guy is not (currently) out there.

    The Yankees under no circumstances should trade meaningful minor leaguers for some guy, just to make a move. It would be so dumb. Glad to see that Cash is of the same mindset. (Though, Cash’s views on making a move just to make a move seem to carry less weight these days…Rafael Soriano says hi)

    LEGIT No. 2, or go to war with what we have.

    • Guest says:

      should read “at the very least they DON’T need to improve the back of the rotation to make the playoffs”

  15. 28 this year says:

    Trade for this guy, he throws stikes and his unusual delivery can make him unhittable at least one round through the MLB. Or better yet, save him for the playoffs and the other team wont know what the heck hit them.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....lb-wp10971

    I am only half serious.

  16. As for righties, there has been some buzz that the Braves, desperate for offense, could use their rotation depth and trade a starter such as Jair Jurrjens. But the Yankees’ policy has become pretty much to run away from Atlanta pitching after having successful Braves hurlers such as Javier Vazquez, Kyle Farnsworth, Jaret Wright, Steve Karsay, Chris Hammond, Denny Neagle and Soriano blow up on them.

    A.) I doubt Jurjjens is really available. Trading him would be pretty un-Braves-like. Lowe is probably available, but not Jurjjens.
    B.) Is that really a Yankee “policy”? To not trade for Braves pitchers? Somehow, I doubt that. And for the record, none of those pitchers were really “Braves” pitchers, per se. Most of them spent large portions in other organizations (i.e., Chris Hammond), and many of them were acquired primarily for their good work in AL cities (i.e. Farnsworth, Vazquez, Soriano). That assertation seems bogus to me, but what do I know?

  17. Brian says:

    Hughes is not a great upgrade. He throws a straight, flat, 90 mph fastball….I say trade him

  18. Craig says:

    Matt Garza. Do it.

  19. Brooklyn Ed says:

    Hoping for the Yanks to acquire Jair Jurrjens or Derek Lowe? We’re not sure if either is available, but Sherman says “the Yankees’ policy has become pretty much to run away from Atlanta pitching after having successful Braves hurlers blow up on them.”

    I would like a Jair Jurrens, please. I don’t think Jurrjens would blow up on the Yanks since he’s young and all. Besides Logan & Vazquez, which other Braves pitchers blew up on them? hmm…

    • MannyGeee says:

      Farnsworth was kinda shitty.

    • The BIG 3 says:

      Derek Lowe will wind up pitching for either the Sox or Yanks. Now decide if you want him.

      Jurrjens has to be a pipedream. Why would Atlanta trade a effective starter with 3 years of clock left?

  20. infernoscurse says:

    unless its a salary dump or a proven longterm good pitcher like garza i wouldnt make a trade, what does kuroda bring that we cant fill from within? most these guys dont really put us over the edge , the edge, the edge, the edge..the edge the edge… the edgeeeeeee

    i rather keep the prospects and make more trades a la granderson and less trades ala berkman longterm > now

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      what does kuroda bring that we cant fill from within?

      Kuroda is really good, so he’d bring a lot.

    • MannyGeee says:

      what does kuroda bring that we cant fill from within?

      how about stability past CC and (maybe) Colon? whats that worth to you?

  21. Jobberwocky says:

    Who says they don’t need another ace? they’re going to get killed in October by Boston with three legit aces. Of course the Sox know how to develop pitching.

    • Jim S says:

      Yeah you’re just trolling now.

      • Jobberwocky says:

        Yeah this Yankees rotation stacks up real well against the Sox.

        #homerville

        • Jim S says:

          Yup, still trolling.

          Since you’re just trolling, I’ll use the only argument that seems to mean anything to people like you:

          1st Place: Yankees 45-31
          2nd Place: Red Sox 45-32

          Or another.

          Yankees Team ERA: 3.59
          Red Sox Team ERA: 3.97

        • It'sATarp says:

          Here are the numbers:
          Beckett: 1.87 ERA /2.97 FIP/ 3.69 xFIP
          Lester: 3.66 ERA/ 4.14 FIP/ 3.46 xFIP
          Bucholz: 3.48 ERA/ 4.27 FIP/ 4.07 xFIP
          Lackey: 7.36 ERA/ 5.08 FIP/ 5.03 xFIP

          CC: 3.25 ERA/ 2.82 FIP/ 3.38 xFIP
          Colon: 3.10 ERA/ 3.33 FIP/ 2.99 xFIP
          Garcia: 3.30 ERA/ 4.14 FIP/ 4.14 xFIP
          AJ: 4.15 ERA/ 4.54 FIP/ 3.92 xFIP

          Now looking at the numbers…how much better is the Boston rotation really? Aside from Beckett’s pretty ERA every thing else from the top 3 matches up well

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Only three? You’re selling Boston short. Andrew Miller is clearly an ace, judging by his performances against NL juggernauts Pittsburgh and San Diego. Wakefield and Lackey don’t put up great numbers, but they certainly are bulldogs who possess the know-how to win; ergo, both are aces.

      Lester-Beckett-Buchholz-Miller-Lackey-Wakefield … I don’t see a non-ace in the bunch.

  22. Ted Nelson says:

    “While there might be some upside to discuss in Dempster and Jackson, chances are the cost of acquiring them won’t be worth the value they’d add over what the Yankees currently carry. And that, really, hits the point of this entire trade season.
    There will come a time in the next 33 days when the Yankees talk to a team about a pitcher who can make a difference.”

    Could be a better pitcher, or it could just be one of those type of pitchers’ team getting more desperate as the deadline approaches and giving him away…

  23. Alfredo says:

    in 2013 Free agent class will have Danks, Weaver, Hamels, Greinke, Shields, Marcum.

    the yankee rotation that year if they do not add nobody else will be
    CC
    HUGHES
    AJ
    ?
    ?

    we might get one of those guys and bring up one of the killer B’s and the other to the bullpen, that rotation might be able to be the best rotation ever.

    Projection
    CC
    Weaver
    Hamels
    Hughes
    Banuelos

    Betances in the bullpen. and we trade AJ.

    • Alfredo says:

      that would be awesome but very unlikely to happen.

    • We won’t sign Weaver, the Yankees have a “No Weaver” policy after getting burned by previous weavers.

      #Heyman

    • bexarama says:

      and we trade AJ.

      great. to who?

      • Alfredo says:

        this is considering AJ improves. i think a team will take him even though we wil not get anythin in return. my point is that if the yankees do get one of these guys they will have a nice rotation with our 2 young arms.

        I would love Hamels especially because he is a big game pitcher.

      • Kosmo says:

        Bad News Bears ?

    • Cris Pengiuci says:

      AJ is pretty much untradable. Don’t forget Nova. He’s been quite serviceable and may become a solid #4 starter. So, they could also end up with:

      CC
      Hughes
      AJ
      Nova
      Banuelos

      Certainly wouldn’t rule out a FA signing. Getting Weaver or Hamels would almost certainly be an upgrade over Nova/Banuelos, but AJ will more than likely be part of the staff in ’13.

    • Levi says:

      I don’t mean to pick nits, but I’m gonna go ahead and pick nits:

      If they “do not add nobody”, they’ll have added somebody.

      They’re not going to get two of those free agents. I think it’s very likely one of them will come, but not two especially if they re-up CC for another 6+ years.

      Also, don’t think AJ can/will be traded. We’d have to pay his entire contract and would get nothing in return. I’ll not say he’s untradeable (Vernon Wells say hi), but he’s about a certain bet as anyone to be here the remainder of his contract.

      • Alfredo says:

        trust me the yankee have more money than you can ever imagin they can probably take on 50 million more on top of their payroll now. maybey even more, and their is a possibility of AJ being traded plus i rather have Banuelos or Betances over AJ.

        • MannyGeee says:

          whoa there moneybags. The ‘Good Money After Bad’ era of talent management left town with Randy Johnson.

    • Addison says:

      Hamels is a free agent after this year, and you’re forgetting CC’s opt out.

  24. Kiersten says:

    Hopefully someone falls out of thin air, a la Dan Haren, between now and Juy 31st.

  25. Kosmo says:

    Garza and Marshall for blankety blank.

    • Cris Pengiuci says:

      “Garza and Marshall for blankety blank

      Is that the new nick-name for Michael Jackson’s kid? :-)

  26. Xstar7 says:

    I believe someone has brought this up before, but would anyone here trade Montero for Cole Hamels straight up?

  27. Jorge says:

    Who are these posters the past couple of days? Is the doorman on lunch break around here?

    Kuroda intrigues me as well as a mid-season boost. I am scared to death of Liriano but, hey, if the price is right…

    I see this year’s moves resembling last year’s moves, plus the return of the guys the team was counting at the start of the season. I don’t think there’s a whole lot to see here.

  28. Hester Prynne says:

    Every one of these articles says let’s go get Dempster or Edwin Jackson. We don’t want those guys! They are not better than 4th starter AJ which is what he’ll be when Bartolo and Phil get back. Nova and Freddy have been adequate as 5th starters. Cashman’s right, we don’t need anymore starters.

    • Hester Prynne says:

      That is, we don’t need any starters worse than Bartolo or Phil. If Kershaw or another proven #2 becomes available like Haren did last year you go get him.

    • bexarama says:

      I’d certainly rather have Edwin Jackson going forward than Nova and likely Freddy too. (Dempster too but he’s pretty expensive so there are other factors.)

  29. Addison says:

    The most important comment in Sherman’s entire article is this one;

    “As the AL executive said, “[Montero] is struggling offensively [at Triple-A], and we think he is non-athlete who cannot catch, so you might be getting a DH. He may be losing value.”

    The Yanks have long over-valued Montero but are now resigned to the fact that he alone won’t bring much in return.

    Does anyone really believe Seattle backed out of the Lee deal last year because a Double A second baseman had a sprained ankle?

    When Texas called offering Smoak, Seattle jumped because he’s a better player.

    There were rumors after the deadline last year the Yanks offered Montero to the Royals even up for Joaquim Soria and KC said no. And it’s not like they’re stacked at catcher, right?

    As it was, Montero came to ST this year with the backup catcher’s job in his back pocket, it was his job to lose…..and he did.

    Montero’s not that good, it’s time to accept the fact the honeymoon is over.

    It’s time to focus attention on the development of Romine and Sanchez and eliminate any roadblocks to either of them, which at this point is all Montero is.

    • Jim S says:

      You quoted an AL Executive. What AL Executive is going to do anything except under sell another team’s prospects?

      Why avoid reading all the articles that still say he’s an elite bat? Why not just look at the stats? You’re not being “realistic”, you’re being “pessimistic”. There’s a difference, and it’s much less fun to be that way.

    • Clay Bellinger says:

      So he went from a top 5 prospect in the game to a “roadblock” in your mind? Unreal.

    • Clay Bellinger says:

      Also…

      1) It wasn’t crazy for Seattle to prefer Smoak. He was a nice prospect too.

      2) Clearly Adams’ ankle injury was more than thought at the time since he’s just getting back now.

      3) No one said the Yanks offered Montero for Soria. People were just convinced they’d trade him for Soria. As far as we know, no formal offer of that sort was made.

      4) A kid his age struggling a bit in AAA isn’t the end of the world and may even serve him well long term It doesn’t take him from one of the games best prospects to being a “roadblock”.

    • David, Jr. says:

      That could easily be from somebody who would like to have him, just not by paying very much.

    • Xstar7 says:

      If a .330 wOBA is “struggling” by Montero’s standards, then that’s pretty damn good.

    • Ed says:

      Does anyone really believe Seattle backed out of the Lee deal last year because a Double A second baseman had a sprained ankle?

      It wasn’t just a sprained ankle. A year after the injury, he’s only playing 5 innings every other day. It was much more significant.

      And more importantly, the claim was mostly believed to be Seattle stalling for time. They wanted to play the Yankees against Texas because they really liked Smoak. And if you have a choice of 2 similar quality prospects, it helps you more if you take the one from your division rival.

      There were rumors after the deadline last year the Yanks offered Montero to the Royals even up for Joaquim Soria and KC said no. And it’s not like they’re stacked at catcher, right?

      No, there were rumors that the Yankees asked about Soria, but proposals were made. People threw Montero’s name in there to get attention.

      As it was, Montero came to ST this year with the backup catcher’s job in his back pocket, it was his job to lose…..and he did.

      Cashman’s been pretty clear he doesn’t want to call up Montero unless he can play every day. I doubt he had any chance of getting the backup job unless he blew everyone away during spring training.

      It’s time to focus attention on the development of Romine and Sanchez and eliminate any roadblocks to either of them, which at this point is all Montero is.

      Right now all 3 of them suck at defense. Romine might be a little better than Montero, but most of the hope for him that he has the build of a traditional catcher, so he’s more likely to improve than Montero is. Sanchez is the worst defender of the bunch by far, and he hasn’t hit well this year.

      But really, catchers in the minors suck in general. You really have to go by scouting calls and projections. The catchers rarely call a game themselves in the minors. It’s usually the coaches doing that, as they want to control the pitcher’s development. Minor league pitchers tend not to hold runners on base well, so runners tend to be more successful at stealing bases.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        “Romine might be a little better than Montero, but most of the hope for him that he has the build of a traditional catcher, so he’s more likely to improve than Montero is.”

        It’s a little more than that. Romine was considered one of the best if not the best defensive Cs in his draft class by the “experts.” His arm was seen as maybe his best tool and BA rated it as an 80 out of 80. Romine has been knocked some for his defense recently, but there’s some reason to believe he’ll be a better defensive C than Montero.

    • bexarama says:

      the Montero-for-Soria thing was revealed as false a few weeks ago in a Jayson Stark article.

      Montero’s not that good, it’s time to accept the fact the honeymoon is over.
      hahahhahaha

      Also, if Montero really is so bad at catching, fine. Have him come up and DH toward the end of this year/for next year when Jorge is not gone. Romine is not supposed to be like half the prospect he is, and Sanchez is still extremely far away.

      I don’t know why I’m responding to this, it’s pretty batshit, but yeah.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      “There were rumors after the deadline last year the Yanks offered Montero to the Royals even up for Joaquim Soria and KC said no.”

      Eh… whether it’s even true or not, what I read was the opposite. Something about KC wanting both Montero and Banuelos to trade Soria.

      “Montero’s not that good, it’s time to accept the fact the honeymoon is over.”

      Well if he has no trade value as you say, we’ll get a chance to see exactly how good or bad he is with our own eyes. Writing off a 21 year old prospect without major physical or mental injury is never a good idea. With someone who has been as good as Montero… it’s totally ludicrous.

    • MannyGeee says:

      HEY TSJC.

      I could use your help. something about a burrito??

  30. mr.jigginz says:

    IMO,I feel the Yankees need another lefty starter to help match-up better with the lefties that Boston march out there every night in their line-up.That is why I value Liriano more than Kuroda,even though I like Kuroda more,overall.Would LOVE Wandy Rodriguez,but the contract he signed recently makes me shy away more from him.

  31. steve (different one) says:

    H/t to DC#6, but no mention of Anibal Sanchez???

  32. jon says:

    Ledger_Yankees Colon on the way here. Girardi says team is deciding whether he can pitch against Mets.

    • The BIG 3 says:

      That would be a colossally dumb decision to have him pitch an NL game. Which begs the question, why would Girardi even consider it?

      • MannyGeee says:

        The binder takes offense

      • Meh, give him the “swing badly at three pitches, take your strikeout, go back to the dugout, and pitch a good game” instructions. No big deal.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          That or bunting are probably his only choices… Not sure telling him to go up there and hit a triple would results in anything but three bad swings and a K.

          How many pitchers get hurt running bases, though? Seems fairly rare. First game back he might only make it through 4, 5, maybe 6 innings anyway. 2 or 3 PAs probably.

        • The BIG 3 says:

          Have you ever seen a unprepared AL -> NL pitcher actually do that? I haven’t. Can’t say doing so makes the worst of sense, but I’ve never seen it.

  33. Need A #2 Starter says:

    We Can’t Depend on Colon to be the #2 starter in the playoff, Lirano I think is worth the gamble, he is the close thing to a #2 on the trade market.
    WHy hasn’t anyone mentioned Gio Gonzalez?, He having been a ace for the last 2 years and I think the A’s would trade him for some young offensive talent and yes I would give up Montero & Nunez for him he has a 2.38 ERA this year

  34. Roland Bradon says:

    I lost money on ACUR and thought the niacin seemed like a reasonable deterrent. People who used it as they were supposed to shouldn’t have had any side effects, only people who were abusing it would get enough niacin that it would cause problems.

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