Someone let me know when this team grows a pair. (WPA) (box)
I don’t get it. Everyone was raving about our road trip against great pitching, now we lose two games and we’re terrible again and the team needs to grow a pair? Relax.
The problem is that the roadtrip was against 3 meh teams. This team is our mortal nemesis.
Can’t agree with you there.
Some people, myself included, definitely were NOT raving about that road trip, where we lost two of three against Seattle, and won some against a team with terrible offense.
Imho, these games against Boston reveal the (current) quality of this team, which ain’t so hot.
Really? These two games are the most representative of the team?The AL West teams aren’t great but overall the offense performed pretty well against some really good pitchers and the pitching was pretty good, even if the opposing offenses weren’t great. I mean, hell, the Mariners scored 8, 7, and 9 runs against the Rays, the As scored 6 and 8 runs against the Sox.
So the Yankees went 6-3 and you minimize by saying the teams weren’t that great, but in the end, 6-3 on a West Coast road trip is good.
They went 6-3, that’s a pretty good road trip out west where we can struggle sometimes. They are teams we should beat and we definately took care of business out there… The sux always kill us at the beginning of the year and then we somehow even up the series by the end… However, You can’t ignore the teams weakness right now and that is how they cannot rely on their pitchers to throw a quality start against a good lineup. Burnett has to figure something out because they have to pitch him. Colon and Garcia (don’t get me wrong I am thrilled with the innings they have thrown for us this year. I cannot stress enough that they have been absolutely huge for us and we woul be in serious trouble if they pitched like they thought they would) have been good but they don’t match up well with the potent veteran hitters of the red sox lineup, they can win us games against inferior opponents which is equally as important when making a playoff run, but they cannot be relied upon in a playoff game against a good lineup…
ipso facto, they need another rock in the rotation to pair with CC, a guy that can be relied upon in the playoffs… Unfortunately it doesn’t look like they will be able to get one.
Mike, haha of the three RABbis, you practice Zen baseball the least. You wrote the article that Burnett hasn’t been that great. So is he lacking balls or just not that good? Do you think the Yankees are scared of the Red Sox?
So is he lacking balls or just not that good?
Just not all that good. All the article did was point out that his underlying performance was unchanged from last year
Do you think the Yankees are scared of the Red Sox?
Scared isn’t the right word. But I think it goes beyond just playing poorly.
Not trying to be a jerk or annoying, but what do you think it is though? Burnett was bad, Cervelli’s poor defense allowed at least one run to score that might not have, Lance Pendleton gave up some runs, Jeter grounded into a DP in a big spot, Granderson has been in a bit of a slump before the series started. I didn’t really see anything beyond playing poorly in a couple of games.
The stupid mistakes. Cervelli throwing two balls away, Cano not backing up, walking too many guys, running the bases poorly … there’s been way too much of that going on this year. Not just the last two games.
Cano flipping to second instead of throwing home to nail Ortiz, Gardner not going home on the wild pitch and Girardi deciding that a three run lead was insurmountable and staying with a drek pitcher. Is this the secondary middle relief for the next two weeks: Sanit,Pendleton and Marquez?
Per Al Leiter the Yankees have NEVER hit Ortiz with a pitch. Can that be right?
Oh and my point about AJ is that his poor pitching performance was in, my opinion, the biggest contributor to the loss, and since you pointed out that he’s just not that good, I don’t see it as an issue of lacking balls.
Either way, it’s super frustrating.
Best recap ever.
I really hope we have a huge trade deadline planned.
We are getting Joba Chamberlain, Rafael Soriano, Phil Hughes, Eric Chavez and Pedro Feliciano at the deadline.
That’s not enough. They seriously need another starter, and not a back of the rotation guy.
What would you give up is the question?
The easy answer everyone has is anything but ManBam and Jesus. It’s not that easy though.
Who? the only possibility I can think of is Chris Carpenter.
They’re leading the division right now and might lose Pujols next year. Unless they go into a prolonged slump, I doubt they deal him.
Then let’s hope the Reds/Brewers go on a tear.
Even if that happens, that would still be a tough sell to the fan base.
Edwin Jackson is a real possibility the way ChiSox have been playing.
I originally looked at Eric Bedard but the Mariners keep winning so that’s kind of unlikely now.
I’m not interested in Jackson at all. I’d rather see Gavin Floyd in pinstripes.
It’s not who you would rather see but who is likely available.
I would like Josh Johnson or Felix Hernandez too but they are not coming through the door, you have to be realistic about who you can actually trade for.
I think Jackson’s the likeliest pickup, but he screams “Burnett 2.0.”
Seriously, if giving up anything more than Nova for Jackson is the only option, I’d rather the team just continue to suck.
FINALLY, someone acknowledges what those of us who aren’t blind optimists have been saying all along. This team, as constructed, isn’t good enough to go far in the playoffs…hell, maybe not even make the playoffs. Colon’s been great but is anyone remotely confident that he’ll make it through the whole season? Freddy did a yeoman’s work and deserves a medal for the first two months of the season, but realistically that’s all you could have expected out of him. He doesn’t have very good stuff anymore, and he allows too much contact. As a righty at the stadium that isn’t enough. The move worked out better than anyone could have expected, now it’s time. He was a band-aid…not stitches. There are serious reasons for pessimism for this team. At a certain point, the talent on paper matters.
Look at the Miami Heat, for example. Anyone with a half brain that wasn’t trying to be original, or a homer, picked them to get the rock. A few rough patches in the regular season and all the sudden, people were changing their minds…not realizing that what the Heat had was still the best team in the league. I have a feeling those who picked the Heat will be vindicated with in a week. Same principle applies to this Yankee team, especially once Hughes went down and Jeter’s decline proved to be more than just a down year. They’re simply not good enough to win a Championship. Curtis Granderson can’t maintain a .600 slugging percentage, hell…even a .270/.350/.500 year with good defense would be an incredible year for him. Posada’s bat is dead and he really needs to be at the very least DLed. A-Rod’s never going to be the same (it’s been three years with his hip, think Mattingly’s back, or Josh Hamilton’s everything…different causes, but the same principle applies)
If the staff is just “CC and Colon” there’s going to be lots of problems in the near future, the offense is getting nothing from two positions, and RF is still kinda “meh.” That and given the obvious health concerns about Colon…yikes. This isn’t looking like their year.
The issue is not Jeter, Posada, Grandy, or any other piece of the starting nine. Even given the elders poor starts this year, the offense is and will continue to be top 3.
The issue is that, their starting pitching was shredded after losing Lee, and then simply fucked when Hughes failed. And I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Axisa’s right, in that motivationally, something is wrong here. That “something” could very well be that the team is as cognizant of these pitching issues as we are, and feel hopeless because of it.
this all comes back to one thing…..
Hard to imagine one that will be available. Cashman’s failure to get Haren still bothers me. I also have to admit that I hate seeing the sucess Aceves is having with Boston. I’m sure the YES gun was a bit high but he has a few at 95-96! I don’t ever remember seeing him anywhere near that. He has really helped Bsoton and would be nice to have around now considering the injuries. Maybe it is hindsight but he would not have cost much. Their offseaon was horrendous.
Of all those, we don’t really know what to expect from any of those pitchers, hopefully a lot, but YCPB, especially pitchers, and Chavez is the only one who might help the lineup – IF he can stay healthy for the rest of the season.
Hughes over the last year has a 5.92 ERA, Soriano hasn’t given any reason this year to think he can be counted on, no guarantee Feliciano is back healthy then, Chavez is only a part timer, and Chamberlain just went out, so he hasn’t been missed yet. Not a whole lot of reason to think those returns will make a big impact. The pen should get deeper and stronger and Chavez will strenthen the bench if he can ever get and stay healthy, but the rotation still has huge question marks and the lineup is basically the same.
Funny recap mike. Seriously tho where is the passion? Where is the retaliation? We really look like a bunch of pussies. Grandersons been awful jeter terrible as usual gardner can’t even score on wild pitches he’s useless as balls on a priest. Oh n AJ 0 wins vs Boston since signing with us 2 n a half damn seasons ago.
yes it’s Granderson’s fault. Very intelligent observation. Maybe we should go back to platooning him.
I thought it was Girardi’s fault. If he told AJ to drill Papi in the first, then he wouldn’t have hit the home run. Simple.
If he told Cervelli to throw Ellsbury out instead of throwing the ball into center, Ortiz might not have even batted in the inning!
Where did he specifically say it was Granderson’s fault? All he said was that he has been awful, which he could mean lately or against Boston. You’re putting words in his mouth.
National media is up in arms about Pedroia’s knee possibly being hurt because of Cervelli.
Doesn’t matter that Cervelli didn’t even hit him.
It just matters that Cervelli came in hard, made Pedroia leap and came down on his knee in an “un”gritty manner.
Naw, there’s no bias in the national media. None whatsoever….
Really? I haven’t seen that at all. The Boston Globe report says he first hurt it against the Orioles a few weeks ago.
Perhaps it was just the late run of Baseball Tonights at 10:30 an 12AM making those claims.
Berthiaume, Ravech, Garciaparra (on BB2N) and John Anderson (on SC)all said the exact same thing.
Then at 2AM, I saw on the bottom line that they’re (post scriptum) blaming it on a May 18th injury vs. Baltimore.
You can thank Buster Posey for that.
He went in spikes up. That is the clasic dirty type move. Pedroia did avoid him, but based on his performance all year, the leg has been a problem the entire time.
Sometimes you eat the bar, and sometimes the bar eats you.
Yea everyone on baseball tonight was up in arms over the cervelli slide I have no clue why it wasn’t dirty n he was tryin to break up a huge dp. Orel hershiser even went as far to say he took retaliation into his hands since burnett didn’t lol
That’s because the national media (ESPN) is biased against the Yankees and towards the Red Sox. They applaud the Red Sox every move while churning out “doom and gloom” articles about the downfall of the Yankees every single season.
SportsCenter and Baseball Tonight anchors openly make fun of the Yankees team, their ownership, front office, and the YES Network.
If a Yankees player does something even slightly controversial, it will be overplayed, over-analyzed and scrutinized to death and more often than not that player will be vilified. If the opposite occurs (say Cervelli gets run into and has his arm broken in SPRING TRAINING!), the other team is applauded for playing hard and standing up to the big, bad Yankees. Peter Gammons was visibly shaken and openly wanted Kyle Farnsworth suspended for throwing BEHIND Manny Ramirez – a player utterly beloved by ESPN and Boston alike who would later become outcast once he turned his back on the Red Sox.
I cannot think of one single instance, in recent history, where a Red Sox player has been openly criticized or vilified by ESPN. Dustin Pedroia was not questioned or criticized when he slapped the ball from the glove of a first baseman. There were no calls for suspension when Josh Beckett intentionally throws at a player like in the case of Bobby Abreu. Never heard one peep from Peter Gammons on that one. Varitek and Papelbon went completely apeshit on an umpire just a few games ago and I don’t recall one hint of criticism. Did anyone see how bad they lost it?? Papelbon has been suspended…but I’m talking about ESPN’s coverage and analysis here.
This x 1000.
And did you read the quotes from Papelbon after that incident, reported on ESPN? He said, “It’s me, you all know I don’t get away with anything.” News flash, Paps, you’re just a big douche and you act like one. He said some more crap too that I can’t remember.
Forgot the fact that ESPN hardly mentions the Ortiz steroids thing but they drop it on A-Rod at least once per game it seems.
A-Rods not the one hitting this year like he’s in his prime still.
Amen. Amen. Amen.
Thankfully, the Yankees can count on unbiased, evenhanded reporting from (cough, cough) SNY, WFAN, and Tim McCarver and Joe Buck on Fox.
And in those extremely rare cases where anyone in the media or with MLB is biased against the Yankees, we can count on Yankee fan Mike Francesa and Yankee broadcaster Michael Kay to see the injustice with the eyes of an eagle and call them on it with guns a blazing and no holds barred.
WPA dive after Jeter’s DP says it all. Just when I was thinking they had a chance, they drive the knife in and twist.
This one seriously sucked.
Tonight sucked. But it’s a CC day tomorrow, not worried. Two games are not representative of this team’s ability. You’re a fool if you think so.
no but 7 of 8 might be…
You do realize that the Red Sox take off in the first half then falter in the second, right? Same crap happens every year, they beat us badly then we beat them badly.
Our record against Boston the last five years:
Boston has always been pretty evenly matched with us, no need to worry.
The Yankees and Red Sox have been doing this for years. They beat up on the Yankees early, Yankees return the favor late. But this year has been extra bad.
I mean, in 2009 they lost A-Rod for the first month of the season and Teixeira was slumping…what’s the excuse this year?
That’s my observation as well, though I wonder if anyone has solid numbers to prove it out — like, the teams’ records against one another through June every season, matched against those final splits.
I mentioned in the game thread that, two years ago, when the Yanks stood five games behind Boston after the 0-8 series start, I bet a guy in my office that they’d close the gap by season’s end. I of course won that bet by 14 games, but I thought it was money in the bank from the start because, going back the whole past decade, it seems Boston has always started hot but the Yanks have picked up major ground in the second half. Even in 2007, when they didn’t catch them, they eliminated most of a big gap.
Of course it’s frustrating to lose to the Sox, ever. But history says early season failure is just the way the Yanks seem to roll with them. Patience is required.
This isn’t 2009. This team isn’t as good as the 2009 team. Much of the team is the same but many players are older or not having as good of a season thus far. Moreover, this Red Sox team is much better than their 2009 counterpart.
The 2009 Red Sox looked as good as this one in the first half of 2009.
“looked” maybe. But this ’11 Sox team IS better than the ’09 Sox team and this ’11 Yankees team IS NOT as good or better than the ’09 Yankees team.
Odds are very strong it won’t play out like that again this year. Although I will be hoping it does. We should get tomorrows game for sure.
It’s also a Beckett day, and he’s been damn good this year.
In Jeters defense, if Gardner doesn’t run the bases like a T-Baller, that is an rbi groundout and it is a 1 run game…..
how about Jeter actually getting a hit with RISP??
You can’t expect that much from him, come on now.
Think of him as a core player for the next two or three years. Vomit.
Maybe not, but how about a fly ball at least?
Not since 2009 anyway.
But the WPA graph doesn’t even recognize that wild pitch. It must be meaningless.
Considering Gardner’s speed his baserunning is flat out awful. He is so hesitatnt on the bases it is ridiculous. That said, no excusing or defending Jeter. We’re now looking at almost 1000 ABs with him as a .260-.270 hitter with no power and below average plate discipline. Sad to say it wil likely only get worse. There are few players on the team I would rather have up less in that kind of spot.
Its not 2 games its the way the team has played all season. The offense disappears we have 0 300 hitters for a 200 mill payroll thts sad. The stark regressions of cano jeter arod swisher posada n even gardner attribute to it. The starting pitching outside of colon n CCs been eh. We never win at home or beat good teams we r so jekly n hide this season its really frustrating
agree with most except ARod has been better so far this year than last year. The team is just getting old.
How has Arod been better this year? Defensively for sure, but his offense has been slighly worse. Last years power numbers were his worst in many years and this year has been worse to this point.
Batting average doesn’t mean shit.
Fun fact:The Yankees have no .300 hitters and have the best offense in baseball. The Dodgers have two .300 hitters in the middle of their lineup and suck ass at offense. Use wOBA and wRC+ in your analytical arguments
They went into this series with the best offense in baseball, and the best winning percentage (I think) in the AL. You sound like you’re talking about the Twins.
Well the Yankees look like the Twins when they play the Sox this year.
If Cervellis job on this team is to be a backup catcher, be a backup catcher. Stop throwing the ball into CF, catch a pitched ball. Yes I know he had a good night with the bat, but when he is healthy from his eye injury, it is time for Montero.
I’m getting really sick and tired of this lackluster play against the Sox. What annoys me the most is that the Red Sox aren’t even the main opponent facing the Yankees in these games. It’s the Yankees themselves. Sure, give some credit to Boston for playing pretty good but the Yankees have played some of their worst games of the season against this team.
This is what Mike means when he asks when this team will grow a pair. It’s about damn time this team finally steps up to the plate against Boston and finally puts forth a creditable effort instead of going out there and rolling over and dying the second the first pitch is thrown.
Exactly. It’s the dumb mistakes. Cervelli throwing balls away, walking too many guys, running the bases poorly … I’m not saying they have to be great at everything, but holy shit they can’t be terrible at it.
It’s really starting to push me to my limits watching the pitching meltdown in the first, the offense leave 324798327 runners on base, and for Christ sakes Gardner, why weren’t you running home!
This team has had a real issue this year putting good offense and good pitching together in the same games. One night pitching pretty good, offense 1-11 with RISP. Next night offense scores 8 runs, starter + bullpen give up 10. Later, CC throws a gem but they give him 12 runs of support when 4 would be enough to win. The night after that they lose 3-2. WTF.
Sound baseball. That’s all we ask. Sound on the basics.
While the starting pitching has been better than expected to this point, the Redsox have pounded them. CC’s first start in Boston was good (although only 5 2/3) and Colon pitched a good six innings but the starters have been hammered in the other six games.
Problem has been the first pitch has been thrown by Garcia and Burnett these last 2 games.
CC can’t pitch every game unfortunately. They really need a #2 starter. Hopefully Bartolo stays healthy and can be a good #3. Then hopefully Hughes comes back strong as a #4, and the Yankees won’t have to rely on AJ much as the #5.
In hindsight, “gets its head out of its ass” would have been better than “grows a pair.”
I’ll second this even though I’m sure you didn’t ask for it.
Def montero time we could use a righty bat n martins been run into the ground. Also what’s up with marquez pendleton n sanit what’s the point of developing a good farm system and never promoting impact guys. Give norton whelan or kontos a shot. Bet we could use aceves in our pen right about now cashman…
This is why I wanted Montero on the team from the get go. He could have been developing in the majors all this time. Instead, we still have no idea how good he really is. Hector Noesi should be given a starting role. His stuff is excellent and he throws strikes.
Im not that worried about the Yankees. Im more worried that the Red Sox might be as good as everyone in the national media said they were before the season.
Since their 2-10 start they are 33-16 and havent even been firing on all cylinders yet either. They have their weaknesses just like the Yankees do but even so they still might just be better than the Yankees especially if the Yankees dont make some moves by the trade deadline.
Still think though CC will win tomorrow to avoid the sweep and pull the Yankees back into a tie for 1st place.
I disagree. This team is good but we are making them look even better. If nothing else look to Dustin Pedroia. Hitting .204 against the rest of the league, +.500 against us. We go out there and crumble, Boston looks like they are mighty conquerers. I call schenanigans.
This team doesn’t have the pitching necessary for a title contender.
These games are tests for the playoffs and show the real team we have here.
Unfortunately its not pretty.
This team is very frustrating. Reminds me a lot of the 2008 team. All the power but no pitching.
No pitching????? Our team ERA is almost 1/2 a run under the league average.
I wouldn’t count on that to last.
yeah and colon is young again. how long before he gets injured? i’m betting VERY SOON.
The 2008 team’s issue was that its offense was pretty meh for a Yankee offense.
Wang and Joba’s injuries helped matters too. I can’t tell who I hate more 2008 Melky or 2011 Posada. Furthermore, I can’t tell what’s more disappointing: 2008 Cano or 2011 Jeter.
Hey, does anyone still have James’ link? It can’t be much worse than walking this game.
lol, lemon party
Really? That’s all he’s got? I read his comments and he’s clearly an asshole. **shrugs** I guess I was just expecting something more shocking.
How can u say batting average isn’t important? If u suck at hitting and not getting hits tht matters. Too many stat nerds overthink things. Obp wOBA are vital but BA is important as well.
I don’t think you even need to bring statistics into this, just watch the games…there’s no doubt this team can hit home runs. What they can’t do is manufacure runs. I’d like to see some base hits. They can’t even score on a wild pitch. Just waiting for the “big” hit.
Because the difference between a .280 BA and a .300 BA over the course of a season is about 5 hard-hit ground balls going between third and short instead of right at the shortstop. Or a five bloops falling in instead of being caught. It’s splitting hairs essentially. Yes, a guy hitting .330 is hitting better than someone hitting .250, but if that’s the case, his advanced stats will show that too.
2009, 0-9 at the half
True statement…but I wouldn’t consider that a formula for future success. Nor a compelling reason for me to feel better about a series of bad losses.
Just something to remember, dark times have ended well before. The rotation wasn’t much better back then and their offense is more loaded on paper in 2011.
Not really, actually….not at all. That 2009 offense had a Jeter and a Posada that actually hit, a DH that could hit, and Swisher that was hitting for power. Their pitching staff is also worse.
Very true. Just because they did it in 2009 does not at all mean they can duplicate a tall order like that again in 2011. You keep testing fate and sooner or later you get bitten in the ass.
correction – 2009 , 0-8 at the half
it is sad that I consider it a successful plate appearance if Derek only makes one out with runners on base instead of two
That double play killed the entire game right there. Good chunk of fans started to file out, and really killed the entire comeback.
That really ticks me off. Dodger fans are supposed to leave early. I know it’s the new stadium and all, but it started in the final days of the old one too. I’d take the days of less fans who actually supported their team to the end, to the current days of a full stadium that only has sox fans at the end of the game.
Yea lots of fans leaving early. In fairness, that subway ride home at the end of the game, everyone was literally packed in like cattle. And not the normal NYC subway type stuffed either, literally packed to the brim. I had to introduce myself to the girl standing in front of me because we were getting to know each other real well on that subway ride, ha.
Seems like a great argument to stay untill the end.
You don’t know that for sure. Who’s to say they weren’t all filing to the bathroom to throw up after watching how that inning ended?
Thanks Mike for calling this team out…I wish Joe would do the same. So what was accomplished?
Hit papi: nope, Burnett thought he was told to give papi a hit
At least look engaged and passionate: nope Gardner defining “flat footed” speaking of which where’s the base coach on that one?
It’s too bad that the Yankees seem to be missing out on the best rivalry in sports.
When they decided not to skip Nova, declining to set up their rotation to face the Sox, they were basically saying we are not planning our season around Red Sox regular season games. Right or wrong, I don’t really know, but the Yanks have made it clear that they are not going to treat these games much different than any other team.
Wasn’t Nova supposed to pitching tomorrow, but they’re skipping him to have CC out there?
Maybe. You could be right. I just remember the RAB article saying they could have skipped Nova and set the rotation up, but ended up starting him. Maybe they did end up doing something to get CC in? I don’t know
True and I think the Yankees are doing the right thing. This is not a big deal. Whether they walk out of this series 4 games up or two games down is not that big a difference with over 100 games left to play.
I’m not so sure I agree here. Losing these games is a big deal to me.
They’re fucking up their divisional record, on our their way to losing tie breakers in a division that projects to be tight with 3 teams to the end.
Our final 2 weeks of the season are 4 divisional matchups that will be brutal. The more of a hole we dig now, the more we’re up shit’s creek come September looking at Toronto(away), TB, Boston, and TB again.
At some point this shit has to be come worrisome.
Aceves was throwing 95 on the stadium gun (AJ was throwing mostly 92-93 for reference). Not sure what the YES gun had him at. But I don’t remember Ace throwing that hard even for the Yankees. I remember him sitting at upper 80’s with the occasional low 90’s. Now he is at 95, and after the back trouble that scared the Yanks so much? What happened?
They thought that Fellisiano (sorry I can’t spell his name but since he hasn’ pitched…) would be a more sure fire bet to be healthy.
Considering Cashman’s comments about the Mets abusing Feliciano, it really was the biggest head scatcher move of Cashman’s in the offseason. You can’t get them all right I guess. Getting Colon and Martin at the price they did is stellar work to say the least.
These losses are frustrating, but I am not overly concerned. Somewhere between 6 and 8 players on the current roster will not be here at the end of the year. We also played tonight down two additional players who possibly may have changed the outcome of this game if available. The concerns I do have are over the defensive play of Cano and Cervelli. This team can ill afford poor up the middle D. If it continues
with Cervelli he can be replaced so I wouldn’t label it as a major issue right now. Such is not the case Cano,
he is ours for better or worse. His physical and mental defensive miscues seem to be piling up by the day.
It is quite disturbing because we have seen much better from and know he is capable of more. The Yankee’s will have some bumps in the road until good health returns. Let us hope it’s soon.
Yea, I’m not too concerned either. Other than the fact that we already know the Sox are a dangerous team. CC and Colon have not pitched this series, our two best guys, and we had a bunch of our starters injured or out as well during the two games. The Sox are really good though. Nothing the Yanks can do about that.
Yes they are dangerous but so are we when healthy. Their offense is really rolling but I can see them having pitching problems down the road.
Sox fans love to call Yankee players overrated, I suppose it goes the other way too, but good grief, I swear the “P” in ESPN now stands for Pedroia. My favorite comment of the night when it was suggested that Cervelli went in too hard (good clean play), and it was noted that Pedroia was comming off an injury to that foot. So wait, now opposing players are supposed to take into account the injury history of the players that they are sliding into? I’m hardly old enough to call myself a fan of old time baseball but I’m not sure if players are getting softer or if it’s the fans? Allegedly the Sox were riled up about this but we all ready know about them. I’m not even sure if this qualified as a hard slide, it was just what you’re supposed to do.
I thought Cervelli was at least pushing the limits of “clean play.” He blatantly went in spikes up with his leg pretty damn high.
I’m not aware of a rule that states that you can’t go in with a high leg. You can’t run the guy over, but nothing says you have to even slide. (it’s usually just the desire to not get hit in the face with the ball)
lol wtf, CC should bean him since he’s hot anyways
If the Yankee pitchers can’t step up at least we can always count on the writers.
The search for his positive PED result perpetrators has hit a wall and he’s just frustrated about it. Sorrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyy.
seriously this guy was done and now hes a monster again.
My favorite part of his largely idiotic rant is the idea that he’s absolutely never posed after hitting a HR in his career, and he just “always plays the game the right way”. Give me an effing break, back before he was a one dimensional guess fastball hitter, he frequently stood at the plate for 15 minutes and admired every ball he would hit in the air, and would walk at a glacial pace around the bases when one would leave the yard.
It’s unfortunate the players like Ortiz so much because he is very easy to hate as a fan.
Jeter. Sorry this is my usual rant he is bad. needs to move down in the order and not get a lifetime pas on his serious diminishing performance.
risp BA, overall BA, OBP, and slugging % are HORRIBLE. This is not a 200 AB trend this is a 600 AB trend or more.
look at his 2 ab’s last night with RISP, they were what he does now msot of the time.
Aj is AJ so I do not rant about him since he is a 4th or 5th starter for a good team. he is a career underachiever with not much between the ears….
if cervelli cannot field what good is he doing up over Montero?
jeter has the worst bA with RISP on the team he is low 100’s if I am correct.
he has 17 rbi’s and I bet he has had a high amount of chances for a leadoff hitter….
jeter should do the right thing and move down in the order, waldman and sterling(horrible) never say a bad word about derek the great and same for Yes. Derek is BAD> He use to be great but now he is bad, it happens it is called old age……………
Serious Question. If we were 1-7 and played like this against the Rays, would the reaction be this negative?
It wouldn’t get the level of media coverage but it would be a sticking point for fans bemoaning the team’s construction and saying that they don’t have what it takes to win against good teams and are going nowhere this year, which is what’s happening now due to 1-7 v. Boston. So, it would be much of the same, but just much less magnified, I would guess.
spell offspeed for grandy because he cannot recognize one to save his ab’s.
he has been horrible the last week or so. he cannot put the bat on the ball at all………..
the same thing happened with the yanks against the sux last year. it is no big deal the big deal is; cervelli’s defense, gardners bad baserunning skills, jeters inability to get the ball out of the infield on a consistent basis, the teams overall ba with RISP, cano’s significant decline over last year offensively and defensively including cano’s serious obp decline, and aj jsut being bad which at this point is the norm.
aj is bad and so is jeter this team can still win but others need to play better and they need to make some lineup and roster moves that are reasonable and doable. getting pujols is not reasonable. but bringing up montero may make sense, moving jeter down in the order makes sense, allowing some of the younger arms in the minors such as whelan have a chance, etc…
These losses suck, and there are certain aspects of this team that are extremely frustrating, but how about a little perspective.
I think 33-26 is a lot better than all of us thought their record would be on June 9. As much as it would be nice to be in first all year and go 18-0 against the Sox, as long as the Yankees are only ~3 games out (at the worst) at the break and make a few moves at the deadline, they’ll be fine.
the only move cashman is thinking of is what team he will gm next.
this team needs STARTING PITCHING VERY SOON.
Nova – erratic
AJ – erratic
Colon – a godsend but is unrealible b/c of his age and injury history
Garcia – a piece of shit
CC – the only dependable starter
This staff is HORRIBLE. Everyone has got cashman figured out. Hmmm not bringing up montero – OBVIOUSLY SHOPPING HIM FOR A STARTER. Everyone knows MONTERO IS TRADE BAIT. Way to show your cards, cashman. Add to the list of FAIL by cashman this season along with NOT TRYING TO ACQUIRE GREINKE AND FAILING TO SIGN LEE. Thanks for reading.
Well this is a pretty stupid oversimplification. The Yankee brass didn’t think Greinke could handle New York, and given that he’s had episodes in the past and, from what I understand, heavily medicated I’ll take their word for it. They tried to sign Cliff Lee but he took less money, and as far as Montero goes…yeah I’ll buy that he’s trade bait but there’s nothing worth trading him for. Unless the Dodgers want to make Clayton Kershaw available, he’s not moving.
They tried to sign Cliff Lee but he took less money
They also tried to sign CC, and wound up throwing so much money at him, he changed his mind and chose to play in NY.
But I don’t think just losing Lee was the biggest problem. The biggest problem is the time spent on his failed signing, so guys like Grienke, Crawford, and god knows who else slipped to other teams.
i have a theory that cashman has stopped trying to help the team. he grew depressed b/c of how the front office took the keys from him during the offseason with the signing of soriano. hes actually looking for another job. whoever is running the team now isnt cashman but somoene much worse.
I have a theory that you grew up near power lines.
So far the Yankee season can be described in a word “inconsistent“.For the most part their SP has carried them.
Everybody´s favorite Granderson is now 2 for his last 24 ABs .Almost the entire lineup BA´s have been in a downward spiral.
Let´s face it Burnett is a shitty pitcher .He´s at this point slightly better than his buddy Nova.
Yanks will need to make a move for a bat and I don´t mean Montero and a quality SP before August 1st.Of course I´m stating the obvious .
Agree with EVERY criticism above. I thought Jeter should have been batting 8th or 9th in November.
What bothers me most are the mental mistakes and laziness. If the Sox have better players and beat us by a run or two, I can live with it but Cano’s lack of hustle backing up 2B, Gardner’s limited brainpower on the bases and stupid ab’s hurt the most.
8-5 late innings-Cano leads off and swings (for the fences) and misses at the first pitch. STUPID
8-5 late innings-2-0 count on Swish-no one on-swings and misses. STUPID
Take a strike jerks-we need baserunners.
I don’t know man. I get that the result is disappointing. But, I don’t really want to criticize them swinging in a hitter’s count, just because the outcome wasn’t favorable.
I watched the game last night with no expectations. I have no faith whatsoever in our starting rotation except CC. Our bullpen has been overworked especially Robertson and Joba. Its no surprise that Joba went down. He’s been DL at least two times in his career while in the bullpen. So we’re left with guys like Boone Logan,etc.
But the puzzeling part to me is the play on the field of our offense,defense and running. Its evident everyday. Jeter is not the same anymore but we knew this. Cano needs a kick in the ass by Girardi. I’m tired of his so smooth description with the inability to complete plays or he gives up on plays. I thought his play was to home with Ortiz running. He has the arm and Ortiz was not running hard at all. Cano was 75′ away. Cervelli cannot be the reason Montero is not up playing two days a week behind the plate and DH once inawhile per week. Who are we protecting in the pitching department at AAA.
I don’t believe this team will make the playoffs as constructed. If moves are not made soon the season will be lost and transition can truly start.
On another AJ is our number two pitcher with electric stuff, please spare me. I rest my case with this team making the playoffs or even advancing if they make the playoffs.
I will watch loyally as a loyal fan but this team is more than flawed. Money cannot get us out of this hole. Maybe Randy, Hank and Hal should allow Cashman to do his job and not interfere. 35 million for a setup man who I bet will be another Marte. Arod with a contract until age 42. Jeter will not make the big bonuses in his contract because he’s just not the same player.
Transition begins end of July. The handwriting is on the wall.
So sick of watching how timid Gardner is on the base paths. That and Cervelli’s fielding are tough to watch. Almost as tough as watching Burnett’s usual against the Red Sox. He’s just brutal.
Not even being competitive against the Sox sucks balls. (That is, if they had any.)
After reading these comments the only thing left to do is jump off a bridge!
I know it was a frustrating loss, but I actually wanted a real recap. I feel jipped for all the money I’m paying for this free site.
with their historic win last night, I believe the Red Sox won the world series
aceves can kiss my ass.
The biggest problem the Yanks have right now is an off the field front office problem in evaluating talent. Baseball is full of thriving ex-Yanks (both pitching and position players; see yesterday’s ex-Yankee bullpen RAB thread for example; you can do an even more impressive thread for position players and watching Aceves close out the game yesterday just hammers the point home in a very painful way) and on a night of a critical game they go with a 2 man bench and bring up a couple of meatball non-prospects to fill out the bullpen. The Steinbrenners need to take a hard look at the talent evaluators they are relying on because it ain’t working.
watching Aceves close out the game yesterday just hammers the point home in a very painful way
Aceves was signed to a minor league deal by Boston, so it’s not as if NY was the only team that doubted this contribution from him.
That is actually wrong, Boston was willing to give him a guaranteed major league deal for 650k, which is a large part of why he went there. Other teams wanted him on a minor league deal, he took the best offer and a guaranteed salary.
They let Ace go because they thought his back wouldn’t get any better, not because they didn’t think he was any good.
Part of evaluating talent is making the correct call on the players health status.
so they guessed right on Colon…sometimes you make the right decision, sometimes you don’t.
Sox said martin was “medically unsignable”.
exactly…soriano and feliciano are also hurt…but so are jenks and rich hill. guys get injured..big deal.
So you think Yanks should go back to the guy who evaluated Aceves for them and let him evaluate others? Boiling it down to saying it’s a crapshoot, you win some, you lose some, is not something I’d want to hear from Cashman if I were one of the Steinbrenner brothers.
Fire Kevin Long, this team cannot hit, once again every player on the team is having career low years, I am tired of it
For the players who are experiencing career lows offensively, Kevin Long has helped those same players achieve career highs. I don’t think Long is the problem.
Haha this is not the answer.
I wanted to reach through the TV last night and strangle Gardner after he froze like a statue on that wild pitch. Where is his head this year on the bases? Unbeleivable. And his weak explanation: “I thought the ball hit Jeter”. Even if you did, you run!!! If it hit Jeter its a dead ball and he scores anyway. I knew instantly when he didn’t score that Jeter would bang into a DP. I was even surprised Gardner didn’t score on Cervelli’s hit. Everyone knows what a weak arm Crawford has. YOu really think he would have thrown Gardner out on that play?
Yankees have never hit Papi with a pitch. What a joke.
He should have flipped the bat and run around the bases backwards. Nothing would have happened anyway.
Exactly. Which makes me sick. The people who say “winning is the best retaliation” have no idea what it’s like to step into a batters box.
Just by knowing that this pitcher can and will throw the ball at your head without hesitation at anytime can throw your swing off.
He is way to comfortable in the box right now. And he has been since 2003.
It is unbelievable to me that we:
a) didn’t drill him Tuesday
b) didnt drill him yesterday
c) didn’t drill him at any other point in his Sox career
I mean, really?
It’s one of those things that has always bothered me about Ortiz. The guy has always been extremely comfortable in the box against us. We’ve have never once moved his ass back or made him nervous by making him genuinely questioning where the ball was headed. We don’t ever make him think we own the inside of the plate, so he takes it.
I’ve never understood why he hasn’t taken one in the ribs or back in all this time with how he performs against us.
What can Jeff Marquez add ? Can’t figure out Cashman’s thinking but there’s some in season re-tooling to be done.
As this 25-man roster stands right now, there’s no fire or sense of urgency. Girardi’s excuses have become old and boring. This is like watching paint dry.
Marquez has the ability to be re-DFA’d when Joba comes back.
Agreed – when we have 2 open spots all we do is promote Sanit (long man at best) and Marquez (cut by another team and not part of our AAA team all year) – with the lefty heavy Red Sox in town and 2 open slots we have no lefty to call up in the vaunted Yankees system – I know Pendleton has been great so far but a lefty might have helped in Pendleton’ second inning against Crawford and Drew. I guess Randy Flores is that bad?
Girardi did criticize Gradner a little bit (for Girardi) in post game but not sure what they do about Cano and Cervelli – especially that second bad throw. I wonder if Cano even realizes that he is perceived to have back tracked in a major way – he says he wants to be one of the best of all time.
Everyone says we were 0-8 before against Red Sox and we can come back again – but big difference with 2009 is that most of early games were at Fenway (6 of 8) – in 2011 6 of first 9 games including todays are at YS3. Good luck with winning 5 or six straight at Fenway during rest of the year.
Also Arod was missing during first part of 2009 – what do we point to as coming improvement this year – Phil Hughes coming back (lol)?
Also we killed Beckett in 2009 even in early games when Sox were winning – this year we can’t hit him at all.
Add that to we already have blown two golden oppoprtunities when we lost two games in which we actually scored runs off of Jon Lester with a lot of baserunners – before this season Lester had I believe like a 1.00 ERA at Yankee Stadium – I don’t think we will continue to hit him like that all year.
To me things like when Jeter swung at 3-1 pitch when his run meant nothing on Tuesday, Gardner’s failure to score braincramp on wild pitch (“I though Jeter got hit” – well, why not run anyway? – DUH), Cano’s failure to back up are combination of a lack of urgency and lack of “every pitch” focus.
in 2009 6 of first eight were at Fenway.
Lack of urgency and lack of “every pitch” focus is SO TRUE and I believe reflects on Girardi and his unwillingness to call out his players in public or by benching them for those things. Of course-for the many Girardi defenders he shouldn’t have to do that with “professionals-it’s a long season etc” but I am not a defender. He is a passive bench manager.
I agree – for example, since Girardi benched Cano in 2008 for “lack of hustle”, has there been any other instance of him “calling out” his players publicly or pointed line-up or playing time changes? I guess my point is that it is hard to believe that in almost three years there has been no other instance of when something like that was called for.
That is why his comments about his failure to bat Posada ninth again after the Mets series brouhaha in the games right after that when Jorge played again (something about how “everybody got riled up” when he first tried it) were a little troubling.
To be fair to Girardi, I guess benching Posada against lefties and having Swisher take a couple of days off to work on swing are two examples, although not as pointed or extreme as the Cano benching. (Saying Posada would not catch at all this whole year was done by Cashman.)
I cannot wait top see what he does with Jeter if he continues to post a low OBP as lead-off. Only thing that may save him – no one else is obvious candidate – Gardner and Martin have fallen off somewhat
Calling out players publicly is typically not received well. There are better ways to do that behind closed doors, by making them answer to their peers.
I can totally get the sense of urgency thing, but not everyone has to have a public display to get a point across for us to satisfy our anger with their mistakes.
Marquez is a beast, yo. He and his boy Phil Hughes must have been juicing all the way through the minors together. Cuz they are straight ACES in the making.
I agree with Bronx Byte; no fire whatsoever on this team. They’re like whipped dogs. I’m a staunch advocate of goodsportsmanship, however, I also recognize that competition is 50% psychological and allowing the sox to dictate the psychology of the game in our house is deplorable. These are not the champion Yankees, these are the 1980’s yankees – disgusting.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how much leverage does Sabathia have? 14.
Well at least the “Sweaty Freddie” putdowns will now end, having witnessed “Sweaty Al” last night. After reading these posts I feel as though we’re eight games back now.
I get the impression that the yanks won’t win another game….
It’s the pitching, every can scream at the offense all they want because of the lack of production but lets look at the honest fact out pitching against the sox as been terrible. Here’s all the runs we’ve scored in the game vs them this year : 6, 4, 5,0, 4, 0, 9, 6. The only really shitty offensive performance we had was getting shut out by beckett twice. Otherwise the offense as preformed decently. Yet we only one 1 of those games. When the Offense scores 5-6 runs three times versus a team you usually expect to win the game but the pitching has been crap, putting us in an early hole to climb out off. This also affects the hitting imo given then the sudden urgency to score runs. We need a guy out side of CC and the magical Genie Bartolo Colon to be consistent, but we don’t. I hope cashman is looking long and hard at the pitching trade market because i’m not even sure if Hughes will be effective if he return.
“Someone let me know when this team grows a pair.”
Now everyone at RAB (columnists and posters) will be constantly talking about someone having balls or fire (after openly mocking and attacking anyone who brought up ‘guts’ or ‘heart’ for the last 2 years).
Is there now a way for people in their mom’s basement to statistically quantify ‘balls’?
Sheep without brains.
I’ll continue to mock people who bring up guts and heart from my mom’s basement.
Did you really have to drop the lame, “Mom’s basement” reference? Seriously?
Its true . .Maybe the Yankees should watch Slade Heathcott taking on the whole Double A Red Sox team by himself !!
A.J. Headjob is the reason they lost….why the f%#K din’t he hit Fat Papi , instead of serving one up??….where in the hell is the fire in their bellies!If they don’t wake up and play like men against the Red Sux this season will be a lost one
I think we’re cooked. The west coast trip was an aberration. We were facing some of the worst offenses in the league and we were deluded into thinking that our pitching was actually good. We really only have 2 quality starters and with Joba now on the DL only 2 quality relievers. We ain’t gonna be facing poor offenses in big ballparks anymore.
Hopefully Cashman can pull something out his ass by the deadline…Last year no one expected haren to get traded…(although we did have a shot at him…)
I have no faith in Cashman at the trade deadline. He had two chances to get Lee, failed. Chance to get Haren, failed. Chance to convince Andy Pettitte not to retire, failed. Randy Johnson, Igawa, Pavano, fall failures under the Cashman regime. Traded away IPK with a 3.0 ERA and kept the other two injury prone young pitchers.
yea maybe he can sign Aceves!!!
Lee was in no way Cashman’s fault. Blame the Mariners and Lee’s own decision to not come. IPK i could care less about. He’s decent in the NL but his stuff was not expected to translate in the AL east by many Scouts and GMs
Also, let’s not forget we let Berkman go because we didn’t want a full time DH spot, yet that’s exactly what we’ve done with -.200 Posada. And Puma is having a monster year. Cashman also failed on Dice K but it looks like we got lucky on that one.
Other famous trade deadline additions: Kearns, Matt Lawton, Craig Wilson, Wilson Betemit etc. This team needs to get serious about the draft and they even more so need to get serious about making big time moves at the deadline. That David Justice move was huge in 2000 but it was just an aberration on the resume of Cashman deadline failures.
We can win with the team we have- they just have to care. You can’t treat your division blood rival like the Pirates. Some accuse fans of overreacting, but what’s been on display this year against the sox is just plain mediocrity, and when the season’s end approaches the Yanks will find themselves behind the statistical eight-ball. Trying to even this overall series in Boston will be an ugly task.
Take that Papi! Retaliation at its finest. Dude has NEVER been hit with a pitch by a Yankee. Think about that. I’m glad that we play the game the Right Way™.
Maybe the Yankees should have their bat boys running up to him in the middle of his at bats with spray fans and Gatorade G like in the HR Derby.
I wouldn’t want him to feel uncomfortable up there or anything.
Other great things about the series thus far:
*Good thing we lined up our rotation like they did
*Aceves’ back is TOAST… Marquez, Pendelton and Saint are studs
*Our lefty relievers are off the chains, yo
*Gardner is really progressing as a base runner … dude is a stud
*A-Gon already looks like he’s scared of the Yankees
*The fans are always on their feet… loud as fuck
*Each player looks like they’re ready to go on every pitch and every play… no exceptions
Maybe it’s just me, but it just looks like they want these games vs. the Sox a little more than they would any other night. And that makes sense to me, because they are the team that we’re fighting for a playoff spot against.
Can’t wait to take on Josh tonight. We own him lately.
my favorite moment was when the cameraman went into the Yankees dugout and caught the almighty Swisher the Pisher laughing ….why do I care more about them than they do????
Agree. Could not stand that unless he was laughing at the organization for playing him against righties.
No way he should play against Beckett. He can’t hit righties this year and certainly not quality righties as evidenced by his crappy post seasons. I could stand a break from his awful outfield arm as well.
Perfection at it’s finest. Well done. Every word you uttered is straight truth and I’m pissed about it like none other.
The gardner running issue is turning into a mackey sasser, knoblauch, steve stone type mental block now.. This is a big problem. Half his value is in his legs and he has forgotten how to use them.
Also when monteros eye is better he must come up. Our c has been overused and rhe 2 weakest positions on this team are dh and buc while the best pos prosprct this team has developed im almost 2o years plays dh/buc for gods sake.
Also its a legit gripe for those whining about sanit, matquez pendleton over a few of whelan, kontos, flores, norton.
Half his value is in his legs
Million dollar legs.
10 cent head.
He is the dumbest baserunner ever. Zero instincts. Nada.
Drives me fucking insane to watch him waste his only asset.
You can get around this by having him steal on a certain pitch regardless of his ineptitude but you can’t make up for his lack of instincts on a wp or passed ball. As soon as a slow 40 year old Varitek RUNS to the backstop there is NO EXCUSE for not running home. HBP is a lame excuse. He also had no lead and should have been further down the line to begin with in case the weak Jeter “swinging bunt” down the line was forthcoming. Just a shitty play all the way around.
Gardy more shitty than gritty on the basepaths.
But he does slide into first base and get kicked in the head and get called out!
Dude. He’s a beast base stealer against knuckleballers.
All these posts about who to blame, not one putting it where it belongs: management. that’s the coach and the owners. Cashs’ deals, the ones that were his, are turning out great and the ones he didn’t want are already sour. Let him loose, trust his instincts and we will make good not desperate pick ups, and if there is nothing worth dealing for he would stay put and let our youth thrive. let Hank and Hal do the deals and we ought to just give the GM spot to Boros. Girardi is to blame for the Jeter/Posada issues. He certainly gets the blame for head up the a&& play – base running, bad mechanics – leaving pitchers in too long, sacrifice bunts and of course the lack of overall team “courage (“balls”)…aka…bad SP when it matters most, against great teams; and the Y’s inability to drive in runs. Arod needs a new girlfriend, Gartners needs a trade, and Cano and Granderson need new spots in the order. Bring up the kids, don’t spend anymore $ on patchwork.It’ll come, we will be laughing at the Red sox all summer, we’ve spotted them 7 wins.
Yeah, Cashman has been great in bringing in FA pitchers and acquiring guys through trades. Pavano, Johnson, Igawa, Wright, Vasquez, Brown, you can on and on. Yeah, he threw enough money at CC and it has worked. Something has to stick once. His trackrecord is terrible with pitchers. Colon, Garcia, these aren’t real solutions, they are more in the mold of Small and Chacon. Stopgaps, that’s it. As people have indicated, he couldn’t couldn’t get it done with Lee, Haren, Oswalt, etc., guys who could be real number 2s. The Phillies traded for Halladay and Oswalt in the same year. You mean to tell me Cashman couldn’t get something done?
Burnett should have drilled Gonzalez on the first pitch right on the kneecap like Tex. Next you don’t give Ortiz anything, ANYTHING TO HIT. Jeter needs to move down the order, and I’m hoping after he collects his 3K the Yankees wake up and make the move they need to make. CC will pick us up today! The Yankees are too rich, and play like a bunch of millionaires, The Redsox are not your friends! They are your rivals! Jeter needs to get his hands off Pedroia’s ass, and Ortiz should be terrified of going into Yankee Stadium, let alone trolling NY looking for hugs from Yankee fans. The is BS! I hate the Red Sox, I hate their Fans, I hate their City, F them let them loose for 86,000,000 years, and be miserable, and Suk! BUCK FOSTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The bottom line is this. We need to rebuild the team. Yankee fans hate that word but it needs to be done.
Overreaction and oversimplification, IMO, too early to tell. IMO. We’ll see in say, August, if I’m wrong. Glad you’re here to say I told you so after 2 losses.
What exactly was the final score? I turned off the game after the Crawford HR and have avoided ESPN/MLB Network like the plague?
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