Jul
27
Game 102: Gettin’ Away
By
Larry Bernandez! (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)
It’s a getaway day for the Mariners and the Yankees have tomorrow off. I sure hope the bats don’t head into the 48 hour or so break a little early against King Felix. Get greedy and sweep that miserable team, fellas. Here’s the lineup…
Brett Gardner, LF
Derek Jeter, SS
Curtis Granderson, CF
Mark Teixeira, DH
Robinson Cano, 2B
Nick Swisher, RF
Russell Martin, C
Jorge Posada, 1B
Eduardo Nunez, 3B
Phil Hughes, SP
The game starts a little after 1pm ET and can be seen on YES. Enjoy.
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If the Jays do get Rasmus, their lineup will be good. well at least, I could now go to the Jays game and see Rasmus live, and not wait till the Cards come to town.
C Arencibia (eventually d’Arnaud)
1B Lind
2B Hill
SS Escobar
3B Lawrie
LF Thames or Snider
CF Rasmus
RF Bautista
DH David Cooper or Snider
Prettay good, prettay, prettay good
I think Hill will be gone sooner than later, if the Jays do have enough of his non-production.
Agreed.
He’s well paid, so they might not find a taker.
Hill probably isn’t a long term guy, they might not pick up his option at end of year the way he’s played the last two season.
Brett Lawrie is rough at 3B, might not stick at 3B.
David Cooper, AFAIK, is a non-prospect, but you can probably use Eric Thames here.
definitely a solid lineup, but it’s not quite on the level of Sox/Yanks I think
“definitely a solid lineup, but it’s not quite on the level of Sox/Yanks I think”
Yeah… that’s my thinking. They’re putting themselves in a very good position, but still have a long ways to go. Maybe they get there, maybe not.
If Phil Hughes can’t shut down these bums put him on the first bus to Scranton.
Hoping for a gem and a Hughes to Montero battery next start.
/fingers crossed
Last time it was Oakland, a modern day Murderers Row.
We could just send him back with Seattle.
/Same Thing
When does Hughes get taken out of the rotation if he continues to struggle? Nova has showed he can be a decent 4/5, so how many more starts do the give Hughes, if he continues to suck. I really hope he can turn things around. I would imagine there isn’t a team in the ml that a struggling pitcher would rather face, too bad felix is pitching.
I think hes in the rotation for the rest of the season
Hughes could be the #2/3 we are looking for at best
Nova is going to be just another 4/5
so if he continues to have a 9 era, he will be in the rotation?
I agree. They won’t stick with him all season, but he gets a longer leash than just today. The upside of getting him back on the right track is substantial for the Yankees.
Yeah, Phil ain’t gonna get 14 runs support today. This is it for him. This is the worst offense in baseball. If he gives up 7 runs again he’s done.
It’s July.
…27th.
No DH today? I guess Joe Girardi is just going to make people bunt anyway, might as well let the pitcher do it.
no dh, but tex is going to help posada at first
can someone lend me their mlbtv or mlb audio account? so i can listen to this damn game at work
If you are looking for free radio and you are out zone you can scan the other Yankee radio affiliates and usually one will air the game over the internet even though they are not supposed to.
Sweep Sweep Sweep!!!
I’d like to see Cano flipped with Grandy…Cano is a natural 3 hitter, Grandy has the pop, lets try it out see what happens??
I was raised a Cards’ fan and married a Yankees’ fan, and have called myself a dual fan for the past 8 years. I am now an ex-Cardinals’ fan until TLR is fired.
Considering they wanted to change Rasmus’ approach which already made him pretty good it is pretty disgusting that they had to trade him.
and have called myself a dual fan for the past 8 years.
You slut.
2-0! This is all over!
Ichiro looks like a mere shadow of his former self.
Ichiro doesn’t just look done as a hitter, he looks like he’d rather be anywhere but on the field with that team.
The Mariners should trade for Hideki Matsui, so that Ichiro can have a friend on the team.
Sincerely,
Michael Kay
That was what McCarver said at the end of the 09 series when Matsui became a free agent.
My bad, I get my idiot announcers confused sometimes. I think Kay’s said things of that nature on his radio show, though, IIRC.
It is pretty incredible that this year is the first year he is below a 110 +wRC, but more surprisingly a below average UZR which is shocking considering how fast he is in RF.
Lot’s of people say Jeter has been the most overrated player.
I say it’s Suzuki.
Career OPS: Jeter .832, Suzuki .795.
My expectations are rather low today — I’m guessing even Phil at his peak is unlikely to match what Felix routinely does to the Yankees. Not surrendering, but keeping hope in perspective.
However, I will be watching Phil’s performance carefully. Last weekend’s start had a lot of oddities (the very long innings, the extreme heat). If he has anything less than a strong showing today, we’ll have to start wondering what he can really contribute this year.
0-2, he stuck a guy out. I don’t believe it.
Thought the same thing. Where where the six foul tips?
yea but it was kinda a lucky one
martin wanted down and it ended up at the chest
Yeah nowhere where he wanted it, but still that was great location in general.
Love to see Hughes be able to blow a fastball by a hitter. It’s the Mariners, and it’s the first inning, but still cool.
Good pitch even though it was nowhere close to where he wanted.
whiffs on fastballs!
So what velocity do we want to see from Hughes? Is 91 too low?
91 is already harder than he threw before his DL sting. If he sits 90-92 that’s fine. I’m more concerned with location and how sharp his pitches look. The velocity will come back with time.
so far so good for Phil
Alright Phil, alright.
One hard hit ball. His fastball looks good so far.
Hughes with a 123 inning? I can’t believe it.
perfect game for hughes?!?!
After the near perfecto by a stud super-ace interrupted by rain last night, the not-quite-back-yet Hughes throwing a perfecto the next day would be the most hilariously awesome thing in the history of all things.
who wants to guess Hughes ERA at the end of the game?
Sub 8!
Yeah, Hughes looked good but his fastball command was just not there. That makes me somewhat concerned for the rest of the game
Yeah but as we’ve seen, this M’s team swings at anything.
Bold Prediction: Felix pitches ~5 inning, gets traded to Yankees, and pitches remainder of game as a Yankee.
What was the trade where the player literally walked across the field into the other dugout after he was traded to that team?
Jose Cardenal
Felix pitches 5 innings, signs with the New York Jets, and retires from baseball.
FACT: Everyone wants to play for Rex Ryan.
New York State of Mind is Nas O’Neil.
+1 I was thinking the same thing. He is by far the best in the booth though
According to Elias, CC Sabathia became the fifth left-handed pitcher in the Live Ball Era — since 1920 — to allow one hit while striking out at least 14 in a game. Steve Carlton, Sandy Koufax and Warren Spann each did it once. Randy Johnson did it six times!
Thats insane!
RJ’s is just ridiculous, but Spahn is as well considering the strikeout environment of when he pitched. Spahn never had a K/9 over 6.
That Randy Johnson is one piece of aaaaace!
Randy Johnson absolutely fascinates me, he was so historically dominant it’s not even funny. He has seven of the ten highest single season K/9 marks in baseball history.
He’s a clown, but I totally love Paul O’Neill.
BG doing leadoff things
Walking double.
8 pitch at bat…lead off walk. Nice, Gardner.
looks like Beltran going to the giants.
No real surprise there.
Beltran for Gary Brown and Jonathan Sanchez is not a bad haul for the Mets
If the Mets get, it’s absolutely amazing. Huge, huge win for them.
Buster Olney reporting it’s Zach Wheeler and Gary Brown, not Sanchez.
If that’s correct… holy fuckballs, is that a steal.
Agree
MLBTR:
It looks like Carlos Beltran is indeed going to the Giants, tweets Yahoo’s Tim Brown, with logistics being worked out. A key development may have been the Giants’ willingness to include center field prospect Gary Brown, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.
good riddance. at least he’s not coming to the AL contending team to hurt the Yanks.
Getting Gary Brown for Beltran is a coup. He’s built for CitiField.
Teh wheelz.
Just think, if the Marineers didn’t trade Lee, how good would thar pitching staff be (saying they re-signed him.)
sterling is really giving to the mariners
Wow, according to Gameday, this ump’s strike zone is miniscule.
At least they’re making Feliz work.
Neftali Feliz is on the mound?
/sorry
I thought he was talking about Anderson Feliz.
Phil Hughes is outpitching Felix Hernandez.
http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....nt-2011832
Yup, this King Felix guy is pretty good
Olney says Rays offered 1 of Neimann, Cobb or Davis for Rasmus and they turned that down, wtf?
And, it’s time for today’s Toyota Text Poll.
Marry/Fuck/Kill:
1. Josh Beckett
2. Felix Hernandez
3. Justin Verlander
4. Jered Weaver
Kill Beckett. You can pick whoever for the other two…
Put some lipstick on Weaver… it might work.
You marry Verlander. He’s just a gentleman.
He went to Old Dominion. He’s a Southern gentleman.
awesome!!
I treat every single Toyota Text Poll as a M/F/K choice.
EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
I’d totally marry Verlander. Plus with him you get the financial security, he’s been making big money for longer than the other guys. Beckett and Felix wouldn’t appreciate you.
I’d probably fuck Beckett to exert my dominance over him like a dog
I laughed.
Wear a condom, though.
What were the results of yesterday’s Text Poll (the one with the favorite announcer’s calls)?
Fail
This ump has a great strike call haha
This ump is obnoxious.
Hughes is working much faster today it seems.
I was just thinking that. Hard to tell how good he looks pitching against the Ms tho.
dude WTF can’t get to MLBTR, taking forever to load
check rotoworld. it covers every sport and most of MLBTR is from that site. its a great feed.
All four Blue Jays fans keep reloading it too fast
Great. There goes the perfect game. How many times must I live through this!?!
What the hell Cano?
That last fastball by Hughes (up to Gutierrez) actually had nice life.
im Brown of Yahoo! Sports writes that it looks like Carlos Beltran is indeed headed to the Giants.
Brown’s source tells him that there’s a “good likelihood” Beltran will be traded to San Francisco and that only logistics need to be worked out. Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reports that the Giants are willing to include prospect center fielder Gary Brown in a potential deal, so this might be the best offer the Mets will get.
Foul Fil.
Gutierrez is pissing me off.
If there was ever a guy more in need of a put-away pitch than Phil Hughes, I don’t recall him.
It’s too easy to get him off his game. After a 10-pitch AB, here comes the 2-out RBI hit.
I’ve never seen anything like this. It’s like the gods put a two-strike curse on him.
Is ESPN’s Gamecast screwing up or was ball three a strike down the middle?
as usual hughes can’t finish guys off, everyone got a good breaking ball, but him
hughes back to his old tricks
+1 for Kay’s Dan Ferici shout out.
decent inning by Phil
Phil Hughes sucks.
Anyone see the Jackson-Rasmus trade??? What a joke! We couldn’t offer better?
Where do we put Rasmus?
I think the poster is referring to EJax without recognizing that Toronto also gave the ChiSox exactly what they wanted. Or that the Cards swapped their biggest headache for an upgraded rotation.
He’s only 24. Platoon him this year. Let him take over for Swish next season.
I’m still waiting to hear what three MLB players we were going to give the Cardinals to help them try to beat the Pirates and Brewers for the 2011 NL Central pennant.
CC, Joba and Hughes.
Perhaps I’m being ignorant, but why is everybody so in love with Rasmus?
We couldn’t offer better?
What pitcher were we going to give them who was going to slide into their 2011 rotation and outpitch Edwin Jackson?
No, we couldn’t have offered better than Edwin Jackson and two MLB-ready relievers.
Who said all they wanted for Rasmus was major league ready pitchers?
Who says we couldn’t have traded for Jackson in the first place?
Whatever.
Who said all they wanted for Rasmus was major league ready pitchers?
The historical record.
Who says we couldn’t have traded for Jackson in the first place?
The historical record.
Facts are facts: Edwin Jackson was just traded twice. The team that traded him away took back an MLB reliever because they’re trying to compete in 2011. The team that traded for him took back an MLB #3 starter and two MLB relievers because they’re trying to compete in 2011.
Edwin Jackson was not acquired solely for prospects, nor was Colby Rasmus acquired solely for prospects. Both the White Sox and Cardinals are acting as buyers, not sellers.
I don’t see how we had the pieces that the Cardinals would have wanted for Rasmus or the pieces that the White Sox would have wanted for Jackson.
ok, sorry, you’re right.
Maybe you should think things through calmly and consider the other, non-Yankee side of events before reacting angrily whenever Player X is traded to Non-Yankee Team Y.
Helix Fernandez
Swishaaa be killin em’ lately
Kenny Singleton and O’Neil on Saturday makes for one awkward booth.
Russell Martin: most underrated GIDP machine ever.
Jesus, Martin sucks too.
Way to work the count guys
Yeah, it’s not like he’s a good pitcher, he’s just Felix Hernandez. Why haven’t we scored 4 runs already?
What a bunch of bums.
If they went up without bats that inning, they would have made him throw more pitches.
If they went up without bats that inning, they would have made him throw more pitches.
way to make him work, 7 pitch inning?
And just like that, there goes last inning’s work.
that inning just negate the 20 pitched inning in the firsy
First pitch, Jorge?
Good job, you f*ckface
24 pitch first, 7 pitch second. Posada – if you can’t hit, at least take a few pitches.
How much do you guys think Kim Jones makes in a year from the Yankees?
Enough to buy a better looking blouse.
Dear Phil,
When it doubt, really, just throw a strike.
awful throw,awful , gives them a run
Amazing how bad he is. Right down the middle. He’s getting closer and closer to that bus to Scranton. Don’t get a round trip ticket, Nova.
Ichiro and Dustin Ackley: real hitters who belong in the majors.
Hughes should have known he was expected to keep the Mariners to -1 runs scored today.
It finally makes sense to me. Since people like offense more than defense, and since offense is failure 65% of the time(and higher against pitchers like Felix), it makes sense that the rational comments make up less than a 3rd of the total.
My mistake. I was being way too optimistic.
Either that or people are nutters.
Was there ever any doubt that Hughes was gonna give it up like a whore?
You whore, Phil.
You slutty-slut-slut-whore.
3 H, 1 BB, and 1 R in 3 IP is giving it up like a whore?
it’s too good to be true.
Yeah… b/c 2 of his 3 starts since coming back weren’t 5 IP 2 ER and 6 IP 2 ERs… and because the Mariners aren’t the worst offense in baseball.
Is it me, or does Hughes seem particularly emotional today?
not as emotional as Cuso
lol
dang phil…
He gave up a run. Send him to Scranton and trade the farm for Ubaldo Jimenez.
That’s actually sarcasm, by the way. Some of you actually believe that, and it’s rather scary that you do.
Some people here are living definitions of the phrase “In the moment”.
I’m amazed Vegas has us favored to win this game. They surely know something I don’t.
That the Yankees’ offense is #2 in baseball maybe. Or that the Mariners’ offense is dead last in baseball. Do you know those things?
Of course not. But Phil Hughes sucks and Felix owns us.
My poem to The Micheal Kay
I already know your answer, Mephisto
You’d rather be David Cone than the Count of Monte Cristo
they know suckers bet on NY teams even when it makes no sense
Like against the Patriots in the playoffs? GO NEW YORK GO NEW YORK GO!
No whining Derek!
“Hunter, I did that thing where I pull my hands in while hunching my shoulders. That means its inside. C’mon.”
Sparky Lyle for trivia
Sparky Lyle.
It’s one run, guys. ONE.
They Yankees will need to score just one to at least tie. It doesn’t matter if Hughe pitched a shutout. The Yankees would still need to score one run.
Tired of seeing if Hughes will amount to anything. If the White Sox are in a dealing mode, trade Hughes and Jorge Vazquez for LHP John Danks.
Other arms coming up will make Hughes forgotten about.
Why would the White Sox take that deal??
Why are the White Sox interested in trading their young LHSP who has been good for several years to the Yankees for their young RHSP who has been struggling mightily?
Because they’re also getting 29 year old career minor leaguer Jorge “Chato” Vazquez, a/k/a “The Next Albert Pujols”.
It’s funny that you think Jorge Vazquez is worth anything to anyone. I mean, if any team needs another 1B/DH, it’s surely the White Sox.
Bada-bing….ohhh!
(unwraps burrito, wipes down microwave)
Wow, really? A half of an injured plagued season and you want to give up on him?
That deal isn’t giving up on Hughes. That deal is robbing the White Sox.
I’d do that deal in a heartbeat, for what it’s worth.
Cocaine heartbeat.
As would I (I don’t think it is in any way a possible deal, which is why I suppose I am so dismissive of it). However I think you trade Phil if you get better value for him, not because you are impatient with him.
Yep, exactly. Trading young players because you get impatient with them is how you end up with some relievers and two months of Edwin Jackson.
It’s a deep burn.
Funny how all of the other comments were saying how the Sox would never take that deal, yet you think the Yankees would be giving up on Hughes too quickly.
But it looks like I misinterpreted what you said, so move along, nothing to see here.
After the deal Kenny Williams just made, I think Jorge Vazquez and Ramiro Pena might do it.
Two months of (nominal 6th starter) Edwin Jackson for the rest of Zach Stewart’s career is a solid win for CWS. And Frasor >>>>>> Teahen.
Kenny Williams did quite well in that deal. You’re mistaken.
I guess if you want to pin something on Williams, its allowing Toronto in as the middleman.
Meh, Toronto gave him Zach Stewart. If he cut Toronto out as a middleman, he’s going to have to give up more than just EJax and Teahen and he’s going to get Rasmus but not a pitching prospect, and he probably needs the pitching prospect more (or at least that’s what the organization is prioritizing for whatever internal reasons).
Looking over it again, yeah you’re right. Kinda lost track of who went where in all that mess between the Sox, Jays, and Cards.
I would more say it was the deal that he didn’t make…
The deal he did make was t0 get one of Toronto’s best prospects and a good reliever for a pitcher he gave up a fairly similar prospect and an 18 year old prospect for a year ago… so he did pretty well there. It’s more that he might have had Rasmus straight-up or at least used his leverage in getting them Rasmus to get more from Toronto.
“I used to hit third for the Yankees, now I vacuum”
quote of the year
Having O’Neill in the booth really highlights how boring and useless Flaherty is.
That was a good 0-2 curveball for Hughes.
Hughes is not getting anything today.
good lord Robbie
Hughes’ inability to hold velo has to concern the Yankees
Sure it is a concern, but there isn’t anything to say that Hughes can’t be an effective pitcher at 91 or 92.
Yeah, but he has to command the fastball too, which is something he hasn’t shown this year.
Definitely. Though I do often wonder (I mean, I do know why, but still) why all of the focus on Phil is only on velocity rather than location. His velocity has dipped compared to his time in the ‘pen, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he can’t be effective at 91/92.
Ah, the “Cy Young to Sayonara” reference that we all saw coming a billion miles away as soon as Lyle was the subject of the trivia question.
Don’t ever change, Michael.
Since I cannot listen at work and judging by the forum reaction I am going to say that Hughes has looked less than solid so far.
Cano just kills King Felix. Dunno how he does it.
Cano lazily runs for a double
cano hits lately have been with no man on, teix just missed it
heres hoping felix shuts down because of his shitty team
With Hughes’ loss of velocity with no apparant injury, perhaps the Yanks should seriously consider he’s better off in the BP rather than a starter.
Given how many other Yankee pitchers have fared once leaving NY, I think it is time we realize that perhaps some guys take a little time to figure things out. A little leeway here could go far.
He was on vacation these past few months? And I didn’t get a card from him?
He had an injury. It was a severe dead arm following 100IP more in 2010 than 2009.
Once that jump moves further into his rearview mirror, he’ll probably be okay. No need to pull the plug on starting prematurely.
Hopefully the Angels/Indians game suffers a freak rain delay before the bottom of the 9th.
/stillbitter
Two rain delays.
How do you argue with someone that Rivera, or any reliever, should not win the CYA? An how do you argue that Felix was the most deserving?
This person says that CC should have won, because “Not picking a guy with 22 wins is a travesty.”. Then I’m like, “Well Felix had a better ERA, FIP, SO/9, more CG, more SHO, better SO/BB, etc. Felix beat CC in every category but wins.”. I also proceeded to explain why wins were uselass in assessing a pitcher’s ability.
He then says, “It’s not the ERA award.”
Then I say, “I never said it was. It isn’t the Wins award, either. Felix was the best in very categry but wins.”
Then he’s like, “Well, by your logic Rivera should have won the award.”
And I’m like, “well no because he only pitches one inning. And relievers are less valuable than SP.”
So, how can I win this argument? It’s been driving me insane.
I’m assuming this is the same friend you had the other discussion with about pitching to the score.
Here’s what you should do:
Stop talking to him about baseball. He’s an irredeemable idiot.
It is. And the thing is, though, he is actually a very intellignt person. I’m not saying you have to be a baseball expert or anything, but when a guy is the best in every pitching category but wins, how is he not the best?
How is it not obvious he is not the best?
Typing fail.
I know you like your double negatives, but I don’t think this one translates properly.
It works better before your edit.
You can’t. Raise your eyebrows and back away slowly. And accept that some people will never learn.
you don’t, you bury your head in the sand and appreciate that the RAB crowd usually understands that the Wins vs. Everything Else logic.
I would also just say don’t bother… but it is possible for a reliever to deserve the CYA IMO. If a guy pitches, say, ~80 innings and has, say, an ERA under 1… that’s pretty valuable. Not saying Rivera deserved it last season over Felix… just that it’s possible.
awful 0 and 2 pitch
An 0-2 hanging curve over the middle of the plate- just a terrible pitch.
How has the curve looked?
how wonderful would a walk off be today? i would imagine the mariners would cry all the way to seattle. i hope hughes doesn’t kill this dream
I would not trade for Felix even if he was available.
What happened to his fastball Velocity and Command?
His split/change doesn’t look the same either.
The wheels are getting loose.
This does not look good.
maybe next time Phil.
when was the last time hughes was above 92?
Yep. Here we go.
big out
Does anyone else questions Hughes’ fitness level? I wonder if 18 wins got to his head and he took the offseason off. He looks awful.
Meh, he wasn’t good in the 2nd half last year either.
And it’s probably not that the 18 wins got to his head as much as it’s the extra 100 innings got to his arm.
well, it’s been real.
Biggest disappointment of 2011: Hughes, Burnett, or Soriano?
I’d say Soriano, because his struggles were the least predictable.
Hughes because he was viewed as a number two behind CC
Has Burnett been disappointing? This is about the production I expected from him.
I mean, there was hope he’d regain his electric stuff/that 2010 was just a bad season.
BG!
If Phil ever learns to throw the ball anywhere but down the middle and can figure out how to get past the 5th inning effectively, he will be a great #3 pitcher.
I think Josh Bard was running in slow motion.
What a play by Gardner!
Gardner is so good. So so good.
Magnificent play.
I can’t wait till he gets out of this and everyone who already gave up gets really excited.
Or not. Optimism has no place here, and I’m bound to get replies along the lines of “hah or not, idiot.”
I’ll just watch the chaos from here on out.
and………boom
Ervin Santana just no-hit the Indians.
Would have been so much sweeter to watch that had CC pitched a perfect game last night.
Ervin no hits the Indians
Just as remarkable…five errors by the Tribe?
Jerry Meals says that he was safe.
Santana gets the no-no.
1 run is a victory.
And allowed a run in the process…
unearned.
Hughes got out of that inning with good defense, but it seems more apparent that he won’t be able to get by with a FB-CB combo. He needs to add a change up or at least get better command.
Ervin Santana no hits the Indians and I forget to move him around on my fantasy team to start. FAIL. But, good for him!
Were the singles hard hit/loud/legit singles? Any BABIP shenanigans?
Not screamingly loud. The last one was probably the most solidly hit.
A few bloops, some hard hit grounders. Really only one hard hit thus far
I’ll be surprised if Hughes comes out for the 6th. He’s got nothing left.
Meh… 4 bloop singles and got out of the jam. Kennedy, Carp, Guitierrez due up… if his arm feels alright I’d probably let him go out there.
Ichiro still has that laser arm.
I would like not to be on the other end of a Doug Fister special this afternoon.
He limited the damage. I’m fine with it.
Gardner limited the damage. Hughes’ is throwing batting practice.
Yeah, no. That was not batting practice.
Yeah. Certainly nothing to complain about there. He’s got a long way to go to right himself, but he’s doing what’s asked of him today. I understand it’s hard to exercise patience when looking at the standings.
I understand it’s hard to exercise patience when looking at the standings.
That’s what I don’t get; we’re 20 games over .500. We’re one of the 3 best teams in baseball. Shouldn’t it be easier to exercise patience when looking at the standings? We have tons of wiggle room.
We’re not the Reds, fighting to stay in the race and who can’t afford to have a few bad starts from a rehabbing pitcher.
I think the idea is that if you’re a bad team who has no shot at the playoffs, patience is easier since wins and losses don’t really matter.
Although then you’re rooting for a shitty team, so I’m pretty sure I don’t prefer that situation over ours.
I guess. For every team, though, patience is probably the correct strategy. Baseball is a game that requires perspective and patience, no matter who you root for.
Ervin Santana pitches a no-hitter in which and unearned run scores.
AND the Indians made five (5) errors in today’s game.
Ugliest no-hitter since Andy Hawkins…
even though it’s not considered a no-hitter anymore
Hughes is beginning to remind me of a poor man’s Burnett going almost exclusively with that fastball and curve with poor command. This is not a very good comparison.
At least Hughes doesn’t cost us $16 million a year.
Posada is beyond useless. Please stop embarrassing yourself and retire.
Yay Rookie Davis!
Nuñez was out.
I disagree, I think he was safe on the replay
Nice play by M’s and nice hustle by Nunez.
lol nice call.
Hahaha, being on the Mariners must suck so badly.
Jesus Christ he was safe.
Awful call. Gotta take advantage here.
Wow, that was a good call actually. His foot definitely came off
Love this little tidbit on MLB Gamecast. Brett Gardner. Loves to face: 2-seam fastball. Hate to face: fastball.
Wow, and Eduardo’s helmet didn’t even come off on his way to second!
Umpires are as effective at making the correct call as Carl Pavano was pitching for the Yankees.
Gardy waiting for the 3-0 autostrike, lol
Wonder what happens next.
Oh God. Jeter up.
Haha ball 4 was right down the middle.
I can’t believe that Eric Wedge hasn’t gotten tossed from any of these games yet. The M’s have been jobbed on like 6 calls in these last 3 days.
Please only make one out, Derek.
The optimism!
Anyone else have flashbacks to Jorgie watching that pitch on the black get stabbed out of the zone?
Its weird, because I’m not actually nervous to have Jeter up in this situation.
Wow, balls 2 – 4 are all strikes on gameday… ball 4 was right down the middle
Alright, that was clearly a strike
Also gamecast had pitches 2-4 vs Gardner as strikes called balls. Is the ump that blind or is MLB Gamecast really off?
The last one was definitely a strike. Of course Hughes hasn’t been getting any calls either
first pitch swinging GIDP coming up
Incoming double play
Felix strategy. Pitch to Jeter for ensuing grounder… C’mon Jete – flyball… flyball
GIDP I got $50 on it
I will take your $50. And Jeter will gladly take your apology.
i guess felix is expecting jeter to hit into a dp
he just walk a guy on 4 straight pitches?
better swing at the first pitch
That’ll do.
DJ is racking up the RBIs this series.
Gardy steal 2nd now
Good job Jeter. I honestly thought it would end up as a double play or strikeout
A run! On the King!
Save us, Grandyman. You’re our only hope.
They’re getting his pitch count up.
I’m glad that Nunez got back, but wtf was he doing breaking for the plate after the ball got to second?
Wow that Braves Pirates call last night was the most obvious thing ever? How do you mess that up?
I’m starting to wonder if rogue umps are blowing calls intentionally to get instant replay implemented.
At least they got one run.
Olney -”Source: The Cubs trying to nudge the Yankees into taking Carlos Zambrano, offering up money to offset his salary.”
oh god no.
Oh…boy.
I do like the idea of Jim Hendry whining to Cash like Woody Allen in an feeble attempt to pull the trigger.
Only way I accept this deal: Cubs cover his entire salary, throw in Starlin Castro.
good inning, swung at ball 4 damm
What was with the replay of cano shanking Long?
Funny. Hughes and King Felix have thrown just as many pitches and Hughes has thrown more strikes.
That is probably why he’s given up more hits than Felix…
Please No
http://twitter.com/#!/Buster_E.....4968460288
Maybe when the Cubs say they’ll kick in money, they mean “all of it”.
Even then, a 4.2 xFIP is meh
I think it’ll take a little more than a “nudge” to get the Yankees to take Zambrano.
Even if the Cubs paid his entire salary, he’d still be the Yankees 6th best starter (7th best if Hughes figures it out.) Why bother acquiring him?
Why woud the Yankees want Zambrano?
Well, time to give the run right back. Thanks Phil!
Should have started Noesi this inning.
hughes isn’t a starter , his stuff is awful
Hughes won’t last another 2 innings. Hector Noesi soon. Day off tomorrow.
He won’t last this inning.
Wait, what? you were saying something interesting…
Giants giving up Wheeler for Beltran. Hard to complain to much from the Mets’ side.
Where was that pitch!
Apparently Giants and Mets are close to a deal.
Wow Wheeler and cash for Beltran. If that was all it took the Yanks should have gone in.
Wheeler is an impressive prospect. That would be like the Yanks trading Bentances for Beltran. That would be a pretty dumb trade to fill a non-need.
Wheeler was the #2 prospect for the Giants and there is nowhere to put Beltran.
Yeah… no.
All it took? Wheeler is a really good prospect, like not too far off Banuelos.
Lol on Kay talking about A-Rod.
not sure if this was brought up, but if the beltran deal goes through, will he play against philly tonight?
I think he has to approve the deal. He has and 10 and 5 rights I believe.
Thank Mo it’s the Ms. A real team would have brought a lead off double home against Hughes.
HR at SWB by the man…..
Greg Golson!
and of course his daily outfield assist-when will these runners learn?
Golie with the cannon!
That has to be one of the most heavily criticized 6 inning, 2 run performances in the history of the game.
Anything less than a 27 up, 27 down, 81 pitch performance with only strikeouts wasn’t going to please the masses.
It was rough, things need to improve, he still is not great at finishing hitters off, but goodness. We’re down by 1, he kept us in a game against King Felix.
haha, geeez, no kidding
9 hits. Kinda a lot. Ya know?
Nice step forward for Hughes today. Velo made me comfortable, command/control, not so much.
But you know what guys?
Phil Hughes is NOT Chinese.
#remember?
Funny how you never see the posters who’ve been convinced Hughes was going to screw the pooch this innings come back and say, “I guess I was wrong” when he doesn’t.
Let’s get the bullpen in there and scrap a couple of runs. Go Yanks.
Wish the Yankees were in on Rasmus today. Blue Jays got a steal.
we’d have no where to put him
Include Gardner or Swisher in the trade or for a starter. I’m sure the Rockies would love Gardner.
I’m not sure what a steal Rasmus actually is. He’s talented but inconsistent, and he must really be an asshole for the Cards to sell so low on him.
I’ll stick with Gardner/Grandy/Swish.
We have to be honest… either he or La Russa has to be a real asshole.
I’m guessing it’s more on La Russa.
Gotta make sure this is Felix’s last inning. Work that count.
or not.
Cano trying his best.
So much for that idea. Thanks Robbie.
What are your thoughts on Rookie Davis?
Perhaps having Robby up to bat is not the best option then haha.
They will ride him to 120 pitches today… they have lost 17 straight
Thank Cano!
Robbie Cano disagrees.
popout. LOL.
Hughes still didn’t look very good today, he gave up 9 hits to their awful offense and he couldn’t throw inside to LH’s and his stuff didn’t have much movement at all. If he wasn’t facing SEA I’m not sure he only gives up 2.
Where is the higher probability? Jeter with a ground ball or Tex with a pop up?
way to take a pitch Cano, just what we needed…whypedoriaisbetter
Thanks for that at bat Cano. Really helps matters.
And just when they were running up the pitch count again…first-pitch Robbie to the rescue.
Michael, I’m pretty sure that 1 person isn’t in charge of chaperoning the entire boys and girls club of America.
Buster Olney:
“Source: The Cubs trying to nudge the Yankees into taking Carlos Zambrano, offering up money to offset his salary.”
To me, this gives the Yanks an interesting piece of leverage. Potentially, the Yankees could tell the Cubs that they’ll trade for Zambrano, but only if Ryan Dempster or Matt Garza is included.
No…too much wasted money and I doubt they would throw Dempster or Garza.
I’m not saying the deal would happen. I’m just saying the Yankees could say, “We’ll only take Zambrano if Garza is available for the trade.” If they say no to Garza, it’s simple. The Yanks say no to Zambrano. There’s no reason to take on Zambrano, unless it makes Garza available to be part of the trade.
I wouldn’t mind it only if the Cubs eat most of the contract and the Yankees give up a minor leaguer I’ve never heard of.
As I said above, even if you put money aside Big Z is probably the Yankees 7th best starter.
Plus, it’s well established that he’s a huge jackass.
There’s almost no situation where I’d be OK with the Yankees bringing Zambrano in.
If he shows up with delicious arepas?
There are ways to get delicious arepas that don’t cost $18 million
We already have Frankie for that.
The deal is not about Zambrano. You don’t even have to use him. The deal is about bringing in a #2 which Garza defnitely is.
I think you’re reading way too much into this.
Yes but this is all theoretical. I’m just saying they could potentially do that…but realistically I don’t think it’ll happen.
Can only imagine the year Cano would be having if he had half the patience Swish has.
Cano has hit .369/.370/.574 on the first pitch of an AB for his career.
How can there be a difference between his BA and OBP like that? Oh, wait, must be HBP.
whats his first pitch line vs king felix? also everyone on the team has a higher avg on the first pitch, which doesn’t mean they should keep doing it.
i think i heard sum say say hughes gave up 9 hits thts 2 many but ppl said garcia pitched a great game and im sure he gave up 10 hits im starting 2 think ppl jus dnt lik hughes
I certainly like him a lot more than you like spelling.
i find it pointless 2 spell out a whole word when i can get the same thing across n 3 letters
Yeah, no, you can’t get the same thing across.
Are you that lazy that you can’t take up the extra .362 seconds to type “two” instead of “2″?
I find it pointless to walk to a bathroom when I can just whip it out and piss where I am standing.
do what ever makes u happy if u fell the need 2 piss where u r standing hav fun nd yes i much rather jus put 2
Posada needed to stretch for that.
C’mon Robbie, if you’re gonna cross the bag you have to play the ball.
It’s tough to blame Jeter for making a weak throw when he didn’t expect to get the ball until it was in his glove.
I have no idea what just happened, but the gameday description on the last single was really confusing…
E4
logan innnnn XD
WTF was that. Oh and thank goodness we have Logan and his mediocrity.
Can’t wait til we get those posts about lost momentum/not 2009/ this team is feast or famine/ not good enough to catch the sox posts if we lose this game.
We’re not good enough to catch the Sox.
My Mom would never say anything like this.
The Sox aren’t good enough to not be caught.
I’d lean towards agreeing. They’re the best in the majors right now, but they’re not so good to where the Yankees can’t make adjustments and changes that will allow them to take back the division. Time is running out for those changes, though.
Actually if we lose this game, I’ll be ok. The pitching matchup added the invetibality that the Mariners will get a win at some point made this game an almost impossibility.
The Yanks were favored by Vegas in this game. If you thought that a Yanks win was a near impossibility, you should’ve gotten filthy rich today. But really, I think you need to adjust your view of how likely things are (for example, stop considering momentum, anti-momentum, hot streaks, etc.).
I thought that it would be hard for us to win today
Should have just said this first. Something being hard is not the same as it being a near impossibility.
Nice job, guys.
What the fuck was that?
Ugh.
Ugh, we’re getting sloppy.
Yikes, you don’t see Cano and Jeter blow two consecutive plays very often.
Damnit.
Logan blows
Logan induced a weak grounder that was tailor made for a DP. He did exactly what he was supposed to do. Blaming Logan for that is asinine.
I don’t care what u say.
Plugging your ears and saying “LA LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU” is clearly the most mature way to comport yourself.
This clearly hasn’t been your strongest thread in terms of critical thinking skills. Maybe you’re having an off day.
I like being berated.
……
jeter not paying attention. yanks have imploded
God damn. What the hell was Jeter doing?
Cant blame Girardi for this.
We’ll find a way.
If you do, bring logistical evidence.
Fuck that! DJ needs to be a little more aware of the ball and the situation.
Come on, Yankees! The Red Sox were able to beat Felix!
The Red Sox are better than us!
Us?
Please, Greg. The Red Sox are not that much better.
Look at it this way:
The Red Sox have 4 players batting over .300; the Yankees have 0. RS have 5 with an OBP over .350; Yankees have 4 (although RS have 2 over .400). RS have 5 with an OPS over .800 (2 .900); Yankees have 4 (0 over .900). Everyone is giving Boston the edge pitchingwise, too.
Given those stats and the preseason hype, they are only 2 games ahead of the Yankees. So my conclusion is that either the RS are overrated or the Yankees are underrated.
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=7.gif
That is one ugly strikezone.
Why is Logan in versus a right hander. This compromises the Yankees ability to win bc Logan sucks against righties.
Smoak is a switch hitter.
Did not realize next batter was a lefty.
Logan sucks period.
That sounds gross.
That damn Phil Hughes. If it wasn’t for him, Jeter’s bumble would have been the first run and not the third.
We’re never going to match up with John Lackey, Tim Wakefield, and Andrew Miller like this.
#Cashmanfailed
#BlameHughes
Cashman did not fail. He’s been asking everybody about any pitcher in the majors that resembles a #1,#2 starter since the Cliff Lee signing fell through for the Yanks. What else can you ask of him, if teams say they aren’t available?!
Zabrano is trash. Not better than AJ. Garza yes, Big Z no way even if they pay most of the salary.
Not better than AJ…or Colon…or Garcia…or probably Nova or Hughes.
It was nice to think of them comebacking to win this, but Logan is good at making sure that never happens.
So is King Felix.
Correction – Yankees defense is good at making sure that never happens.
game over.
It’s not raining.
Oh Curtis …
Thst’s on Grandy. The Yankee defense is to blame.
Shit.
And that’s why Boone Logan can never be trusted.
That’s not on Logan. That’s on the defense.
why?
logan did his job
he got a double play ball that jeter fucked up
hell all jeter would have had to do is hold onto it and he would have been out of the inning with no runs
Seems like defensive miscues today.
Boone Logan got fucked by three separate members of his defense. Those runs were not remotely his fault.
Yanks are one of the worst defensive teams for no reason…They work hard to earn that title.
actually they are the 8th best fielding team
I call bullshit, only slightly, anytime a ball’s hit to the warning track there’s a good chance that it’s on the pitcher. Either Carp just missed a GS or got a good solid hit. Yeah, Granderson should have caught it, but still it’s not like Logan was “good” that inning either.
Fuuuuuuuuuu
It’s annoying to let this one get out of hand after Felix’ day was done.
He’s not done, they are gonna use him to 120 pitches i think
Ugly inning or the Yanks. Reminds me of the inning against Tampa last week.
logan did his job, defense played like shit
Girardi sucks, should have kept Hughes in.
You better be sarcastic about this.
YEAH, BOONE!
Stupid Boone Logan and your stupid ground ball and flyball.
And now we’re the ones to end the mariners losing streak. Hughes bought him self a little more time, but 9 hits against the worst team in baseball ain’t good. He made Ichiro look like Miguel Carbera.
Ehh I think he just made Ichiro look like pre-2011 Ichiro.
Also, this loss: not on Phil Hughes.
Hughes wasn’t at his best, but shoddy defense and the bad relief this half inning blew any chance of winning this game.
Things nobody should give a shit about: Whether or not we were the team that ended the Mariners losing streak.
Things people should give a shit about: losing a game.
Things people should give a very small, very uneventful, easily forgettable and quickly dismissed shit about: losing a game on July 27th when you are 20 games above .500 and one of the top three teams in baseball with a roster packed with the game’s best players in a franchise that has enjoyed more success than any sports organization in the Western Hemisphere
a franchise that has enjoyed more success than any sports organization in the Western Hemisphere
Earlier you yell at people who aren’t as confident in this team as they were in 2009. You said the only thing that matters is how the 2011 Yankees stack up against the rest of the teams in 2011. Likewise, shouldn’t the franchise’s past history of success not matter? Shouldn’t it not matter that the Red Sox sucked for 86 years, shouldn’t it just matter how good each franchise is this year?
Side note: IIRC, The Boston Celtics have the highest percentage of championships won to years been in the sport. Also, which sports organizations in the Eastern Hemisphere have more success than the Yankees? Man U? I don’t think they’ve been as successful as the Yankees, though the two really aren’t comparable.
Perspective.
It’s wrong to assume that the 2011 Yankees can’t win because they aren’t as good as the 2009 Yankees, because this team isn’t competing against past teams, only against other 2011 teams. I yelled at people not for not being as confident in this team as the 2009 team, but for not noting that the other teams in 2011 might also not be as confidence worthy as their various 2009 versions.
It’s fine, however, to use the historical record that the Yankees have been one of the best teams in baseball for the past two decades to keep a single July loss in perspective. Because there are similarities between this team and those teams, between this season and those seasons.
Previous Yankee teams lost games in July and still won titles.
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Secondly, having 27 titles should remind you to not panic and stress about losing a game here or there. This organization has demonstrated its ability to build title-worthy teams, and that should give you reassurance that this 2011 team will probably do pretty okay (even if it’s not quite as strong as a particular prior incarnation.)
I don’t think the 20 titles the team won before the Steinbrenner era have much to do with the this year’s team, nor do I think it adds any perspective to the current Yankee organization. Furthermore, I don’t think past success has anything to do with this year’s on the field team. Key contributors to five of the seven titles in the Steinbrenner era aren’t the same as what they used to be. Derek Jeter isn’t the best shortstop in baseball, or one of the three best, like he used to be. Jorge Posada is about done, Andy Pettitte’s no longer on the team, Bernie Williams is a recording artist (and a good one at that), and even some of the players on the 2009 team that are still here aren’t what they used to be. Thus, I don’t think it provides much perspective. If these guys won 105 games last year and swept the WS, yeah, I’d say it’s something to consider…but 2009 may have been a few of these guys’ last hurrahs.
However, I do think that it provides perspective when judging the Yankees’ moves and the decisions that they make as an organization. Much of this FO is the same braintrust that put together teams that won 7 championships. It also seems that the team’s not listening to the voices that put together the 80s Yankees teams, Rafael Soriano notwithstanding.
You know who will celebrate about this…
He isn’t much. Never seen such a straight fastball, along with complete fear of throwing a changeup. Chance that he would go 8 innings against a top hitting team – maybe 2.5%. Hoping some team is dumb enough to be drooling over him, so we can keep the young ones.
Congrats to Seattle for breaking their streak. #yankeescurealllosingstreaks.
Ubaldo to the 7th!
help us Cashman, you’re our only hope.
how, replace Jeter, Cano and Granderson??
Cashman to the 7th!
Shoulda left Hughes in! Stop babying your starters! Yankees have no idea how to develop any major league pitchers.
#Cashmansfault
Granderson should had that, but Logan should not be giving up deep flies like that to Carp.
Make plays on defense. Carp has some power.
Yeah, my hate for Logan is substantial though.
Then your view is tainted.
I like this take.
But we’re still in it!
Shoulda left Hughes in! Stop babying your starters! Yankees have no idea how to develop any major league pitchers.
#Cashmansfault
#Girardisfault
#Godsfault
Jim’s fault!
Just as much my fault as it is the fault of the other 3.
Guh posting too quickly fail.
Go Yankees.
I think a lot of us figured this was going to happen.
Is ok, this is just going to make the ensuing comeback and the extension of the M’s streak that much more entertaining.
might as well make it 7
Mariners to be fair were due for this kind of game.
why weren’t they “due” against boston?
Because Boston is the bestest team in the world.
/media
If you win two out of three of every series….
I disagree with those who absolve Logan of blame. Yes, the inning should have been over before that triple happened. But that doesn’t change the fact that the last batter he faced belted a triple to dead center.
If Granderson hadn’t taken his eye off the ball he probably would’ve caught it, but it would’ve been an excellent play to cover that much ground and make a catch on the run.
The simple solution is don’t give up a deep fly ball like that.
Any good center fielder makes that play. Logan is absolved of blame.
Telling a pitcher not to give up deep fly balls is ridiculous. COntact happens.
And Granderson is a good centerfielder, and he makes that play 49 times out of 50.
We have several flyball pitchers with a good outfield defense of flyball catchers. Nothing wrong with what Logan did, and yes, he can expect Granderson to track that down. It’s routine.
Curtis Granderson is a very good center fielder, and he didn’t make the play.
Contact happens. Booming fly balls shouldn’t.
That inning isn’t entirely Logan’s fault, but he takes some of the blame.
Fine. 5%-10% but that’s it.
I have a bad feeling that the Yankees are going waste prospects on middle relievers that are not that much better than what the Yankees have.
I don’t see it happening.
Not good prospects necessarily just pretty much any for some type of lefty reliever which really does not help the Yankees.
I don’t care if they trade a C prospect or org guy for some lefty help.
My hope is simply that something similar to what they did last year happens. They trim some of the fat from the depth chart, the Yankees get some immediate depth help for the stretch run, and another team gets a piece that fits better on their squad than it does on the Yankees (i.e. Melancon.)
My concern is trading top prospects for overvalued starters because there’s no faith in the pitchers that have gotten the team to 21 games over .500.
im only listening, but should cano of had that double play way back when it was 2-1?
yes he should have…he could have stepped on second or made a better throw to Jeter
His momentum was carrying him away from the bag as he was still a few feet out. Cano made the right play, but since it was so close there was a bit of confusion.
After today, Cashman will amp up his dealing thoughts. No game tomorrow and the Orioles at the Stadium over the weekend.
Yankees have yet to lose to the Orioles, they are due.
Go KC !
You can go on with the usual nonsense of “they’re bound to win eventually,” but this Seattle team has lost 17 games in a row for a reason. They are HORRIBLE. They have lost three times during this streak with Felix Hernandez on this mound, so this was hardly inevitable.
This was not even close to being a lost game before Granderson dropped that fly ball. Felix had one inning left in him, and the Mariners pen has been getting TORCHED lately. Boone Logan had himself out of the inning as well and missed the ground ball, again.
A 17 game losing streak is equivalent to 5 straight series sweeps, so leave it to the Yankees to hand them their series breaking game on a silver platter… like a team that has just lost 17 in a row. It’s a defeatist attitude to say that “well, they still did well enough.” Too many give away games like today that are the difference in the standings.
and here we go..right on cue.
Here comes the usual nonsense from the posters like you, who can’t ever admit that the Yankees screwed up.
And no, this game isn’t meaningless. This Yankees team has been giving away games like today all season, which is why they aren’t in first place right now. When Phil Hughes goes 6 IP 2 ER with Felix on the mound, that is hardly a game that is a lost cause.
The defense is good on the whole, but horrible in big spots. I really don’t understand why this team can’t play a clean game when the score is close.
umm did i say they didn’t screw up? No. Just because not ranting and panicking like you doesn’t mean i’m not annoyed. It’s just that i know how to keep my emotions in check and be level headed about things.
Stop tacking on your usual stream of incorrect adjectives to justify your nonsense.
This is hardly panicking, this is discussing the fact that despite the fact that half the blog GAVE UP BEFORE THE GAME EVEN STARTED, this was a game that the Yankees blew more than Seattle won.
It is not acceptable to say that they did “enough” against a team like Seattle. Against Boston, maybe, but not Seattle. You can’t keep giving away these kinds of games, and that is the reality. This has been a season full of wasted opportunities.
This has been a season full of wasted opportunities.
Cool story, bro.
Umm, did you even see the post on here the other night in which the guy pulled up the stats to show that the Yankees are like 20th in MLB in wOBA in high leverage spots?
A good team can still waste a ton of opportunities. Oops, there goes your only argument: “Well, they have won a lot of games!!!!!!”
These games aren’t meaningless. They are the difference between first and second place in the standings, and possibly home field in the playoffs unless the Yankees begin to win series against Boston.
The difference between first place and second place in the standings on July 27th: meaningless
The difference between having HFA in the playoffs and not having HFA in the playoffs: Also meaningless
Every single overblown, panicky, the-end-is-near quasi-warning you’ve ever made on this blog: even more meaningless
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I can’t believe I broke my own rule: Never talk to Matt. Now I remember why I made the rule.
Resume O:S.
Resume O:S
Amen. I learned something today.
The only one who is the problem is YOU. I make an observation or remark about the baseball team, and you come on and try to bully me off of the blog.
I’m willing to discuss with people who disagree, and we often have civilized discussions once people get over their obsessive hatred of my posts. If you respond to my posts with something nasty or dismissive, you can’t expect me to take you seriously and respect your point of view.
Oh how dare you pick on my adjectives!
I’m pretty sure every team wastes opportunities in losses…yes even the 2009 team. And how am i spouting nonsense? I’m just saying, yes i’m pissed we are losing but i’m not going to dwell over it. I don’t see why that’s nonsense.
Yeah ItsATarp, how dare you use adjectives?! Only Red Sox fans use adjectives.
Shit i blew my cover.
also the team played a clean game yesterday when the game was close. And in a few other close games. Yes they messed up more in recent memory but it’s not every close game they are blowing. Just chill out.
The defense has been extremely good all year. It was a meaningless game.
I really don’t understand why this team can’t play a clean game when the score is close.
And the reason you don’t understand it is because this team plays dozens of clean games when the score is close. You just never pay attention to those, because you fall victim to confirmation bias because you think the Yankees are shitty and you seek out the anecdotal evidence set that agrees with your theory and ignore all the good, clean, effective games they play and win.
He can’t remember yesterday. We’re not even asking for a crazy long-term memory here. Less than 24 hours ago, the Yankees played a good, clean, effective game and won.
Or maybe you simply assume that whatever I say is wrong, and look for the arguments after the fact to justify it. T
No, this is not confirmation bias. Watch the team play. They are under .500 in one-run games, and they have lost a lot of close games because of sloppy defense.
I’m sure you’ll pull your usual hypocritical nonsense of “STATS????,” when you full well know that there are no stats to support either argument. Yet, mine of course is wrong, because you don’t like me, and yours is of course correct, because nobody who has a negative thought can ever be correct on this blog.
You’re taking this too seriously again.
Fact: 1 run games are, generally, more about luck than skill.
Fact: Stats are a record of what happens on the field, a record of what the PLAYERS WHO PLAYED THE GAMES did.
Fact: I hate Javy Vasquez.
Fact: That was a negative thought, and a correct one.
Also, this game: not a one-run game.
Brilliant logic. It is a fact, but it is only “generally” true.
If you have watched this team all season (which I have been doing, so don’t say that I didn’t post because that means nothing), you would see that a lot of those games are because of sloppy plays that keep innings alive or lead directly to runs.
And by following that up with the Vazquez thing, you only take away credibility from your own argument. This blog has an irrational hatred of Vazquez, which nobody rational would ever agree is even remotely logical.
Vazquez was throwing 86 mph last year, so of course he is going to get hit around. He was throwing in the low 90′s in Atlanta the year before. He was also an ALL STAR in the first half of 2004 and was HURT in the 2nd half.
There is a difference between saying something that is negative because you are frustrated with the team’s performance (which has been quite erratic lately), and having a blatant hatred of a player which is used to ignore anything observed.
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
good gravy, i will never joke in a response to you again.
Rule #1: Never talk to Matt.
I(and the rest of this commenting base) am not very good at following Rule #1.
Amazing. It’s always “just a joke” when your arguments don’t hold up!
Just like the other night, when Freddy tried to brush off his “8-2 home stand, EASILY” comment as just a joke, despite the fact that he had defended it all night as fact!
heh. Search my comment history and find me defending how awful Javy was. You won’t find it, because I have nothing against him, because I don’t overreact to small sample sizes.
http://xkcd.com/386/
I’m out. O:S from here on out everyone I promise.
Just so you realize, 95% of the Javy hate here is in mockery of people who actually hate him irrationally.
Except that sloppy defense is not an accurate characterization. The defense has been excellent. The outfield defense rates as first or second in the AL. ARod was on a Gold Glove pace when he got injured. Tex is Gold Glove level. Martin is excellent. Try something else. Defense is not a weakness of the Yankees.
Did you even read my post? I’m not criticizing the defense overall.
I said that the defense has been sloppy in CLOSE GAMES. They have botched a lot of key plays in close games this season. On the whole, they have been VERY GOOD.
But they seem to rush plays with runners on base in close games and give away runs that end up costing them. It’s really strange for a team that is so good defensively to have so many of their misplays and errors concentrated in those moments.
It’s part of the overall trend of playing very well on the whole, and much better than people realize, but still underachieving in the standings.
You seem to be saying that their poor defensive plays are somehow clustered in close games. I don’t know how one would quantify that to find out if it is true, except that it is a fact that games that Mo closes are always close games and are virtually never blown. This could be in spite of the poor defense in those games, but I highly doubt that.
Did you believe coming into today that the Yankees would win this game? Honestly.
He believes in the team in every game except the ones they lose in.
Hughes has one bad game after a good one and the whole blog thinks he’s terrible. Anyone who thought this game was a guaranteed loss is simply clueless. Seattle has a horrible lineup, and Felix Hernandez hasn’t been at his sharpest lately.
And then when Hughes gives you 6 innings and 2 runs, this game is definitely not a lost cause.
When a team like Seattle takes the field, you always have a chance to win the game. The Yankees are going to lose because of beating themselves, and that is why a game like today has been an unnecessary throw away.
Right on cue. Missed you during the three wins.
He was busy visiting his girlfriend, she’s in Canada, you don’t know her.
+1
Some people thrive on misery. Such is life.
i like that granderson plays shallow, but giving the ball carries better and he doesn’t get the best jumps, he should play back a bit
Cano should made that play. You know who does make that play and cost less money because he signed a team friendly rape me in the ass deal? Dustin pedroia, who continues to show his superiority to Lazy Cano.
thats an out, if jeter not on dream street
as stupid as the whole gritty narrative is, it seems true with pedroia. i think cano has so much more raw talent than pedroia, but pedroia’s defense is so much better
Via Jon Heyman: “Yankees were called by Cubs and offered Big Z but hearing nyy has practically no interest in Zambrano”
Let’s trade for Big Z so maybe he can punch Boone Logan in the face.
Logan looks like he could give Big Z a pretty good fight.
Logan is not the problem with this team, or this game.
I’m aware of that. I just think he’s worthless in general.
What you think is proving to be utterly irrelevant and invariably wrongheaded.
He’s not the worst reliever in the pen. When he is, then you can complain about him.
DO THE YANKEES HAVE A COMEBACK IN THEM?
Las Vegas says yes.
I hate Ayala and Boone! Let’s just say I hate every-fucking-one right now!
Glad you cleared that up for us.
More Noesi!
Even me?
I think we can learn 2 things from this game, and its obvious. The Yanks need someone who can actually dominate teams (and not give up 2 runs against the worst offensive team in the majors), and a left-handed pitcher who can actually get lefties out.
1. Hughes’ underwhelming performance was not the reason we are about to lose.
2. Boone Logan got a DP ball from Ackley (their best hitter).
3. You should never take anything from one game in July.
I’m not talking about today’s loss. I’m saying that if Hughes can’t dominate the M’s. If he gives up 2 runs to a horrible lineup like the M’s, then how do you think he’s going to fare against the Red Sox or Rangers?
It’s not just this game. Hughes hasn’t pitched like he could, yet this year.
Ackley is no Adrian Gonzalez (which Logan would presumably have to face in the playoffs)
I’d hate to see Hughes vs the Red Sox right now.
Hughes does not have the command or stuff just to get by on two pitches at this point.
Hughes since coming back from the DL has given up only 2 runs in 3 of his 4 starts. He certainly hasn’t looked great, but he has done well enough.
And it’s a sprint, not a marathon. We don’t need Phil Hughes to be good in July; we want Phil Hughes to be good in October.
July, August, and September are the months we get to have Phil incrementally right his ship.
To say nothing of, we also want him to be good in 2012-(pick a year).
Everybody complains the Yankees don’t develop new pitchers, then scream at them when they try to.
you got it backwards. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. We have time to get Hughes right, which is a marathon (long race). If we need Hughes to be fixed by tomorrow its fast (sprint).
The process looks way worse than the results. This game and the Indians game he was getting hit hard but not giving up runs. It’s concerning when you expect him to pitch to top flight offenses when those singles can turn into homeruns.
The results are all that matter in the end.
This isn’t the end, though. It’s July 27th.
sure it’s fine, but after a while you’d hope hughes stop struggling with 2 strikes and stop giving up so many hits. In the long run the way he’s currently pitching might not hold up. That’s all i’m saying. I’d be happy to have aguy give up 20 hits and still shut the other team out in a game. But i would worry about the guy in the long term.
Agreed. Hughes has definitely not looked great so far, but he’s shown enough in the past that he should get some rope to see if he can work through it. If you don’t let young pitchers try to work through growing pains, your never going to develop young pitchers. Despite not looking very strong, he has given strong results and 3 of 4 starts. I’m just saying that there is no reason to panic and demote him in favor of Nova.
Hughes should know to give up -1 runs to the Mariners.
It’s obvious that we need Felix in pinstripes.
There’s really very little to learn from 1 game. Yes, they should try to get a good starter and a lefty pitcher, but this game has nothing to do with that. Also, they have someone who can dominate teams (CC). Also, PLENTY of pitchers give up 2 runs to Seattle. Like, most of them.
My sentiments right now:
1. This game is embarassing
2. You cannot blame Girardi on this; IDK why you would
3. You cannot blame Logan, either
Many of you commenters are easily embarrassed.
Teams who should be embarrassed: The Mariners, and their 17 game losing streak.
Teams who shouldn’t be embarrassed: The Yankees, and their 61-40(41, if you’d like) record, and pending playoff appearance.
That. The embarrassment of this July 27th game will really sting when we’re popping bubbly in October.
Giving up 7 runs to a shitty team and snapping the 17 lose streak is pretty embarrassing.
Then like TSJC said, you get embarrassed far too easily.
It’s baseball. Even amazing teams lose to awful teams ~30% of the time. And frequently by more than one run.
Nobody is saying it’s embarrassing because they lost. They are saying that it is embarrassing because of HOW they lost.
Losing a game to Seattle by a score like 3-2 is one that you can say is just unfortunate. Losing a game by allowing 9 runs and 17 hits, with 2 awful defensive miscues is embarrassing.
Bad teams will beat you once in a while, but Seattle blew them out today, and not because they played very well. Why can’t some of you people admit that today was a pretty horrible game? It’s not panicking or “sky is falling” to say such a thing. It’s the reality of it.
If all you said was “Man, today was a bad game” no one would have said a word in disagreement.
no it’s not.
it’s the reason they play 162 games in a major league season and not, say, 16.
No, it’s really, really not. Believe it or not, the chances of the Mariners winning another game this year (especially one pitched by Felix Hernandez) were actually very high.
There’s a reason they have lost 17 in a row: they are terrible. Every team they have plied for the past 2 weeks has swept them. The Red Sox were able to beat them. Why couldn’t the Yankees?
How is giving up 9 runs and 17 hits to one of the worst offensive teams not embarassing? They have a shitty offense for a reason.
Because giving up 9 runs to a team, even a shitty one, is not embarrassing. It’s just baseball. Shit happens.
The M’s got 9 runs and 17 hits because A.) they were facing a starting pitcher struggling to find his location and velocity, and B.) a normally good defensive team had some unfortunate miscues back to back that lead to a flurry of runs.
It’s not “embarrassing”, it’s just the vagary of a sport full of randomness and slumps and streaks and odd bounces and crazy shit. Sometimes great teams play like shit. Sometimes bad teams play awesome.
The Mariners are not the worst team in big league history, but they had one of the longest losing streaks in big league history. That indicates that a long losing streak is not simply a function of being a terrible team but partially a function of having a string of comically bad luck on top of not being an overly strong team.
If the losing streak is part lack of talent and part bad luck, it stands to reason that at some point, they’d luck out (like, say, running into a rehabbing starter not on his game or having some lucky bounces off of defenders gloves).
You’re acting like the Mariners are the worst team in baseball.
The Astros, Cubs, Orioles, and Royals want to have a word with you.
The Yankees should be especially proud of misplaying a double play ball and then misplaying a fly ball that led to three runs scoring with two outs.
No reason to be upset about poor performance, because these games “don’t matter.” No reason to want to better one’s performance, because they already have a good record! After all, who cares if they repeat these mistakes? No games ever matter or count!
Fine reaction: Man, that was kind of a rough game, lot of stuff went wrong. Thankfully this team has played well most of the year and is in line for a playoff spot, and most of the mistakes today were made by people who haven’t made them very often. And yeah, Felix is a good pitcher.
Not a fine reaction: NO GOD NO, NOOO, GOD NOO. NOOOOO! GOD! NOOOOO! GOD NO GOD NOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOO!
h/t: Michael Scott.
It’s Matt.
Yeah, I know. I just enjoy most things Michael Scott says, and it felt appropriate.
Nothing I said was unreasonable. Why can’t you posters admit that today was a really poorly played game, that a good team like the Yankees should not have against a team as bad as Seattle?
Saying that nothing is ever wrong or that a game never matters doesn’t make you “more insightful” or “understanding of the big picture.” It makes you delusional.
Saying any team, no matter how good, shouldn’t have a bad game against any team, no matter how bad, is ignoring baseball history. In 162 games, shit happens.
That doesn’t change the argument. Things do happen, but these weren’t bad breaks today. Yes, they aren’t going to be perfect, but that doesn’t mean that the mistakes don’t matter or are irrelevant.
To survive in the Major Leagues, you can’t make that many mistakes. When those mistakes aren’t always on difficult plays, that’s when it reaches a different level (like ground balls going through Nunez’s legs).
4/6/1998: Yankees 0, Mariners(final record 76-85) 8
5/9/1998: Yankees 1, Twins 8 (final record 70-92)
5/30 and 5/31: back to back losses to Boston
9/16/1998: Yankees 0, Rays 7 (final record 63-99)
Amount you remember those games because the team was ridiculously good despite losing “embarrassing games” to bad teams: probably not a lot.
Amount those games foretold our future failures: not a lot.
I have never said that this team isn’t playing well during the season, or in the majority of games. What I have said though is that these winnable games that they keep throwing away might affect their position in the standings.
Most of the posters on here are going to twist my arguments in any way that they can to justify your criticisms, because they don’t like me. However, realize that what I’m saying is very different from what these people lump it in as.
I have said consistently that this team is underachieving, not that they are playing poorly on the whole. You can say that these moments are bad luck or bad breaks, but it’s happening a lot more than it should be.
And I disagreed, and most of the other commenters disagreed, and you don’t listen. Good day, sir, I won’t be speaking to you anymore.
Cue: “That’s right, give up because you have no response”
No, actually many posters agreed with my arguments. I put together the list of “blown” and “stolen” games and it was pretty obvious that the Yankees this year have been negating almost all of their comebacks with these kinds of games.
Good teams are often significantly greater than 50/50 for “blown” vs. “stolen” games, but this team was sitting right around 50/50. They have without a doubt underachieved, and the majority of posters agreed with me once they actually read the arguments and waded through the usual personal attacks directed at my posts.
You have completely changed the subject in this post, yet believe that somehow it discredits my posts. I said that they are blowing winnable games, and you said indirectly that they are still a good team. That is not what I said at all.
“Embarrassing” isn’t the right word. More like unfortunate. Felix was being Felix, Phil Hughes was shaky but limited the damage to just 2 ER. Logan gave up a DP ground ball that was mishandled, got a strikeout, and a fly ball that Grandy likely would have caught if the sun wasn’t shining in his face.
Just tip your cap to the Mariners. They deserve to end their horrible streak.
What were the results of yesterday’s Text Poll? (the one with the favorite announcer’s calls)
Phil Rizzuto’s “Holy Cow!” won.
Where did Kay finish?
Third. (Mel Allen’s “How about that” came in last place!)
A sign that most of the viewers/texters are pretty young.
can’t win them all , but they had their chances against felix, couldn’t hit. the dissapoined with the loisy defense
They never stood a chance.
Felix is good at pitching you say?
The offense was clearly loisier.
I was stuck in meetings through the whole game so I missed everything. How was Hughes?
He lowered his ERA
Better than last time, gave up too many hits.
In the booth they agreed that he lost his command in the third inning.
To the naked eye, he wasn’t at his best, but got himself out of one big jam while avoiding major trouble throughout. Two runs in six innings.
To the “sky is falling” RAB poster, well just scroll above. Or don’t. It’s not worth it.
Where do I get a “Sky is Falling” RAB poster, can I buy one of them in the RAB store, that would look great in my bedroom
Make it happen, guys. I agree.
Depends who you ask. I’d say mediocre — gave up alot of hits, but few were scalded. On the other hand, it’s the Mariners.
But the crowd that already had him shipped off for a couple of bags of softballs would tell you it was a disgraceful performance and a sure sign he’ll never be a major league pitcher.
His boxscore looks better than the actual game. he worked through it but he’s still getting hit hard by bad offense which is concerning. He has a long way to go.
Bright side of the nightmare top of the 7th: we were spared having to agonize over how the Yanks failed to cash in the leadoff double in the bottom of the inning.
why do firstbasemen always throw the last out into the dugout only to have it thrown back to them? i dont get it
they enjoy getting rejected
they get the “infield” ball from the dugout for warm-ups at the start of next half-inning
don’t they usually throw the game ball to a fan?
I have nothing to add.
Grandy……
Jesus, Granderson.
I don’t think Jesus Montero would have caught that one either.
I laughed.
I don’t understand how you get that from my comment.
This is happening a bit too often now …
So when are we trading for Ubaldo?
to pitch in relief?
No. So we can trade him for reliever Mike Adams and starter Dustin Moseley.
It’s not Curtis Granderson’s day today.
So Hughes gives up 2 runs in 6 innings, while the pen gives up 7 runs in 2 innings and somehow Hughes didn’t pitch well?
Never let truth get in the way of a good argument.
I don’t agree with this. He gave up nine hits and a walk in six innings against a terrible lineup. He gave up two runs only because Gardner threw a guy out at the plate. He has an ERA of 8.24. His stuff is absolutely mediocre.
At least they are getting their ass kicked so it doesn’t look like a fluke punch. Really wanted a sweep though. Have to hope Lackey gets crushed. Who am I kidding he’ll give up 5 but Boston will score that many in the first inning alone.
i think playing shallow is affecting Grandy’s defense. He was much better last year playing at normal depth.
yea watching that triple replay, it was a hard play to make. If he was playing in normal depth he probably makes that play.
Noesi did not look terrible, but like it matters since he won’t pitch till next week.
Playing Shallow in the summer when the ball carries is just dumb.
Playing shallow is dumb period.
/stillhauntedbymyinabilitytogobackonlongflyballs
So…is it OK if I say they “have to” win 3 out of 4 against the Orioles?
The are 6-0 against Baltimore and the Orioles are awful. Anything less than 3/4 is pretty bad.
Well, since it’s not true…
I’d just like the 7-win homestand is all.
There’s always this, folks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....38;ob=av2e (SFW)
Before I wasn’t really comfortable trading montero for anyone but Felix, but now what with him apparently not on the market, I guess I’m fine with Ubaldo.
Fine, one trade proposal:
Nova/prospect not named Montero better than what’s currently in their starting lineup for Doug Fister.
I just have a man-crush on him right now.
Matt has officially logic-ed me into a corner. I’ll be back when he isn’t, next time the Yankees win.
I’m trying to have a discussion with you, but you are repeatedly changing the subject and resorting to personal insults to misdirect the responses.
Stop acting like a child who asks Mommy for a piece of candy when Daddy said he couldn’t have it.
Let me sum Matt’s “logic” up for you:
The Yankees are a good team most of the time, except for a certain few occasions when they’re not a good team. When they’re not a good team, they play like a not-good team. This is a missed opportunity, because they could have played like a good team during those moments of playing like a not-good team, and had they played like a good team during those moments of playing like a not-good team, they would have a better overall record (despite already having a good overall record).
If this tendency of occasionally (but infrequently) playing like a not-good team does not cease, they could end up playing like a not-good team at a critical moment and then all would be lost.
People who disagree with this are sticking their heads in the sand and pretending like it’s not important to constantly play like a good team instead of playing like a good team the overwhelming majority of the time and occasionally playing like a not-good team; I am the only one with the balls to bring this important issue up.
All of this is irrefutably true, because I actually watch the games and I see it myself. There are people on this board who say irrational things, so that means my complaints must not be irrational because I criticize those other people for their irrationality.
Sincerely,
Matt
If that is how you see it, then it is obvious why your responses are always off the mark, because that is not even close to what I have said.
You claim to not take me seriously, yet you are completely obsessed with responding to my posts and trying to bully a dissenting opinion off of the blog. Who are you trying to convince?
Yes, it is. This is what you always say.
Stop trying to be the smartest guy in the room.
Also, it’s not wrong to have a dissenting opinion.
But you only show up in games they play bad or lose. I never see you post during games that they play clean and properly the entire way. Therefore it’s hard to take you seriously.
I don’t want you to stop posting or anything, I just wish you’d find a new narrative.
Good grief, is this necessary? There really is no reason to be rude and mock someone.
Believe it or not, Matt actually had some good points. The Yankees have wasted opportunities this season. The defense was sloppy this game, to the point that it is almost as if the Yankees handed it to them.
And if someone wants to win the division, is that such a bad thing? You may not care, but other people want the division.
There’s no reason to be so vehemently pessimistic about the third best team in baseball either.
Every team “blows opportunities” and “plays sloppy defense to the point they almost handed it to them” against clearly worse teams. Its a long season and the Yankees are going to lose 60-75 games, many of which are games they could have easily won and “gave away” just like every other baseball team.
Winning the division is the goal, but not a necessity. They have a pretty solid lead in the wildcard standings. This team has an over 90% chance to get to the playoffs even with all the games they “handed to the other team.”
Of course.
And they are going to win a lot of games that the other team “gives away” to them. Every team makes mistakes. Every team leaves runners on base.
One of the things that happens over the course of a 162 game season is that your favorite team will both look like they could sweep the 1927 Yankees and get swept by the 1899 Cleveland Spiders. It will happen multiple times.
It does no one any good to point at those moments and act as if they’re representative of anything.
This is why they play 162 games in a season and not 16. You can gladly panic in a few months when Eli Manning throws 6 INTs in the first half.
This was a loss like any other, and you will lose games during a season. You will win against the best team, and you will lose against the worse. As someone who doesn’t take THAT much joy in kicking people when they’re down, congratulations to the Seattle Mariners on breaking their sad losing streak. I hope they go win 18 “not against the Yankees” games in a row now, as I have nothing against them.
LOL Yankees.
Yankees FTW