Game 85: Hughes Returns
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It’s been nearly three months since Phil Hughes started a game for the Yankees, but he makes his return from what was ultimately described as shoulder inflammation tonight against the Indians. He sandwiched two strong rehab outings around a so-so- one, but the results really don’t matter. His fastball was reportedly back and the brain trust decided Hughes at his present state was a better option than Ivan Nova. I’m just happy he’s back. Phil’s always been a personal fave, but I didn’t need to tell you that. Here’s the starting nine…
Derek Jeter, SS
Curtis Granderson, CF
Mark Teixeira, 1B
Alex Rodriguez, 3B
Robinson Cano, 2B
Nick Swisher, RF
Jorge Posada, DH
Russell Martin, C
Brett Gardner, LF
Phil Hughes, SP
First pitch is scheduled for a little after 7pm ET and can be seen on YES locally and ESPN nationally. Enjoy.
Notes: Mariano Rivera will get today off, but he told reporters that he will “definitely” be ready to go tomorrow … The Tribe activated Matt LaPorta from the disabled list today, but Asdrubal Cabrera is out of the lineup after rolling his ankle last night. Net gain for the Yankees.
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Nervous about tonight’s start…if Hughes rebounds to his first half of 2010 form this is the best team in baseball.
In before someone says they are the best by a longshot.
Well they have three extremely volatile starters in the rotation, there’s no such thing as “best by a longshot” in baseball this year. The Phillies have a weak offense, both Lester and Buchholz are on the DL, and the Yankees have question marks in the rotation and at shortstop and catcher. Best by a longshot doesn’t exist.
How long are they on the DL for?
What’s the rotation now?
I don’t know how long Lester/Buchholz are on the DL for but it looks like the rotation for them is gonna be
Beckett
Lackey
Aceves
Miller
Wakefield
because Atchison was called up to fill Lester’s spot.
Lester was put on the 15 day DL. I have no idea about Buchholz though.
Buchholz will probably be back after the ASB, Lester might too. I guess the rotation now is:
Beckett, Lackey, Wakefield, Miller, and I guess Aceves.
Yankees have question marks at catcher? Are you talking about the backup catcher or Martin?
Must be referring to the back up catcher that plays once a week.
“A” lineup tonight.
It’s the “Big Boy Line Up” TM
I plan on sucking the marrow out of every one of Hughesy’s pitches this evening…
St. Phillip of Hughes
I’m really hoping Hughes has a good few games so I don’t have to listen to/read people complaining that Hughes should go to the pen and Nova should be called up again.
This times a thousand.
And, of course, ’cause Phil is a fav. First prospect I watched make the bigs.
It’s on ESPN not MLB Network.
Tough assignment for Phil tonight. Hope he can battle through and get his confidence going.
Hey Mike, correct me if I’m wrong but I believe tonight it YES and ESPN not MLBN
Will Hughes ever get his curveball back?
Oddly enough, it’s on three channels here in Cleveland. Yankees bashing on the local stations or Yankees bashing on ESPN.
Quite the Morton’s fork.
Yankees bashing = heavy taxation
Too bad Brett wont get enough chances to score some runs because of Jeter. Girardi needs to love Brett more.
It looks like Cabrera is still in the lineup. At least according to gameday.
Braun and Fielder.
If the choices made sense I would have voted for Holliday and Pujols.
Last year the Yanks saw what Phil Hughes could be in the first half of the season. However, once he went pass 100 innings he began to diminish because of regression and the fact that he had not gone that many innings in a season since 2006. I have an inclination that Hughes’ arm fatigue probabably came from too much pitching between 2010 and the offseason and his arm never fully recovered as seen in April. Hopefully, Hughes with a rested arm can show flashes of early 2010 and more of the nasty curve and a better change up to more effectively get hitters out. He was the first prospect I ever followed and he honestly the symbol and the start of the Yankees rejuvination of the farm system.
True that! Hughes NEEDS a decent change-up along with better overall command. Too often we see his misplaced FB/cutter land in the seats.
He only needs it if he wants to be a Cy Young winner really. He can make do and be a number 2/3 with his current setup provided he didn’t lose the quality.
Phil Hughes predictions for the game anyone?
6ip 5h 2r 3bb 6ks
9IP 0H 0R 0BB 27K’s 81 pitckes
/optimism!
/Steve Nebraska
5.2 IP 6H 3ER 3BB 5K
4 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 4 BB, 1 HB, 2 K
4.2 IP, 6 H, 4 ER, 3 BB, 3 K
6ip 4h 1r 3bb 3ks
Should any of these be correct, I will buy the winner a year’s subscription to the RAB Paywall.
David Cone = Buster Keaton. That’s all I’m saying. Guy never smiles.
the Hughes low-lights from April are hard to watch.
That’s nasty
Damn, I cant remember Masterson throwing that hard. That pitch was filthy that K Jeter.
He took 6 pitches, at this point I’m calling the AB a success.
What the hell was Boston thinking getting rid of Masterson?
they had too many aces, duh.
I remember when Peter Gammons said the Sox wouldn’t trade Brad Penny unless they were getting a top prospect like Carlos Santana lol.
“A Smoak-type bat” – Epic meme
He then went on to say “of course it wouldn’t happen” but it’s still fucking ridiculous he even wrote that.
Victor Martinez? We can say this for IPK or Melancon too.
I was told we released this bum.
That shift on Teixeira is so obnoxious.
Its Hughes time!
BTW Masterson’s sinker reminds me of CMW.
Alright Phil. Do your thing.
Phil Hughes is going to pitch now, YAAAAAAY!!!!!!
Toronto up 1-0 courtesy of Jose Bautista
Damn. Masterson looks GOOD.
This is gonna get blown open sooner or later… both Tex and Grandy got out to BABIP, well hit balls both.
The Hughes-man Cometh.
Nova would have started tonight. =(
You’re kind of a glass is half empty type, aren’t you?
Depends on the situation.
But I was just saying that because I like Nova and I’ve never cared much for Hughes.
Ditto
That was a nice curve ball.
phil looks phat
Is it me or do I look a bit chunky?
Chance of Hughes actually being able to put away batters tonight?
If they’re gonna be fouling off pitch after pitch…it’s gonna be a long game.
Well it’s not a new problem.
Come on Phil, settle down…
Dude looks visibly nervous.
Still can’t put away hitters.
Well this doesn’t look promising
I miss my super Nova.
There’s a lot of baseball left.
Yeah . . . That’s just the issue . . .
Phil is fat and unshaven.
Martin needs to do a better job of mixing it up. Calling fastball after fastball.
Already 2 baserunners and 0 out???
Come on Phil!
ohh lord… we’re in for a long night
He looks fat
Mark Teixeira is a loser. .245 BA and .350 OBP?? Not good enough!! Jason Giambi consistently put up .400+ OBP with excellent power.
and terrible defense.
I don’t think he’s turned into a .240 hitter yet. He’s been a bit unlucky. Let’s hope so because the rest of this contract is gonna suck if he is.
Not a good start
doesnt look good….
same old shit
Not the greatest of starts…come on Phil.
Hughes still can’t put hitters away
Phil has got to be able to put these hitters away or Nova will take his spot.
YOU DUN GOOF’D GIRARDI
An out would be good.
Same ol’ Hughes?
It is always surprising how little respect Hughes gets from Yankees fans considering that he was one of the top prospects in baseball, then dominated out of the bullpen in a championship season, then made the all-star team in his first season as a starter.
Inauspicious start for Hughes.
Poop
God dammit, this is gonna be bad. No outs recorded yet
I’m going to go out and on a limb and say that Phil’s a lost cause until he gets the curveball back.
feel better now?
Well, um, at least hes back to struggling with 2 strikes amirite?
Same ol Hughes….ahead in the count but can’t put em away. BOOOOO!!!
He still can’t put hitters away with 2 strikes..oh good. But at least he’s not throwing 88 anymore amiright?
still no put away pitch
He’s ahead of yet another hitter here and probably won’t put him away.
fucking comedy of errors.
Good times. Good times.
FUCK
Oh Gawd. At least there’s an out.
really? as if the pitching wasn’t enough.
Cervelli’d
Can’t believe one of Phil Hughes’ fastballs just drifted over the plate to a lefty.
Odd.
Has Martin been taking lessons from Cervelli, but great curve.
Oh my god, im going to fucking punch something
Lol our catchers suck.
Martin just pulled a Cervelli..
Way to go Russ
Progressive Field using sounds from the Mario video game whenever a run scores. Lolololol
Gimme a fucking break Martin
By the way, why didn’t Santana go to first? Martin didn’t tag him
base was occupied with less than two outs
There was a runner on 1st and less than 2 outs.
You don’t have to tag the batter when there’s a runner on first.
Batter is out if first base is occupied (meaning was occupied when the pitch was thrown) and there are less than two outs.
Can’t be too judgmental after 1 inning with Hughes. Just hope he can maintain his velocity tonight and get some work in.
Let’s send him to Nardi.
So, uhh, how’s that Montero kid looking?
/overreactionsfromoneinning
Holy crap, a good changeup.
Holy shit! A change-up!
We can thank Mr can’t handle presure Joe for this lost no way u take Nova out for Phil
WHo do you suggest then?
Put him back in the bullpen
Next roster move: The second coming of both SuperNova and Jesus. Pwitty pweese?
So far, the return of Hughes: FAIL.
Send this bum back to Scranton. You cannot let him learn on the job here. We had a good run going with Nova, no reason to change anything. Phil can’t put away hitters.
Yeah that’s gone in a normal park.
Is it just me, or do hitters always know when to lay off Hughes nasty pitches.
What nasty pitches?
Heh. I guess I was referring to his 12-6 curveball. It looks all pretty with the 12-6, but they never swing at it. And thus the extended at bats.
How many times have you seen Hughes throw a curve for a called strike?
He must be giving the curve away in his delivery. If it starts in the middle, they know its dropping out of the zone.
Batters can see the curve coming right out of his hand. Take Josh Beckett for instance, his curve comes out on the same plane as his fastball and then drops off the table. Robertson is the same way.
Hughes’ curve drops from a different plane. More easily picked up by the batters.
Dude. WTF is wrong with Hughes? He got outs that inning…but his pitches look awful. His curveball was rolling, the fastball was flat and back at 89, 90mph.
So I guess I think it’s fair to say that not trading Hughes and Joba for Doc was a mistake.
Wasn’t the package supposed to include Montero too?
Hey, they could have just as easily been traded for Johan.
Hindsight is 20-20.
take him out.
dudes: as frustrating as this is, IT’S ONLY ONE INNING.
let’s not cut him yet, let’s not demote him yet, let’s at least let him finish his first start back before the death threats start coming.
+1
seriously, thank god none of you are the Yankees GM
And it’s the same old problems. He still can’t put hitters away, he’ll never be a successful starter without the curveball. The change up isn’t going to develop into an outpitch and he’s not good enough to get by on just a fastball. The only success he’s experienced since the hamstring injury in 2007 was in the bullpen and for the first half of 2010. Ehhh…I know he’s young but he’s going to have to start producing soon.
The Twins in last year’s ALDS beg to differ.
That sounds rational.
I love Hughes’ velocity but that’s about it. Thank God Hafner is slower than Posada.
Battery dead. Change battery.
Phil ain’t gonna pitch more than 4 innings if he doesn’t give up 7 runs before then. We brought him up too early, yet another mistake with these young pitchers. Ruined Wang, ruined Joba, TBD on Hughes. Sent the best of em, Nova, down to AAA.
Ruined Wang? By playing in interleague? Nova certainly was not thought of as better than Joba or Hughes. And Joba had TJ surgery, how many other pitchers have had TJ surgery? Did their teams ruin them too?
And also, one inning is enough to say PHughes is ruined?
People have turned quickly on PHughes. And now Nova is a savior? Didn’t people hate him about 3 weeks ago?
I, for one, have always been a fan of Nova.
Curveball continues to be garbage. Nothing more than a pitch to drop in for strike one. Has shown two cutters or so that were really nice but when they’re flat (as is usual) man do they get hammered. I think he needs to abandon that pitch entirely… focus on the changeup.
Is it fair to say that the Yankees are not good at developing starting pitching? I hate to bring up the Red Sox, but they have brought up Lester, Masterson and Buchholz. The last starting pitcher that we have successfully developed was Andy Petitte.
Now Phil Hughes is young, but so are Lester and Buchholz so that excuse goes out the window.
We should reserve judgement until the Killer B’s are up. If one doesn’t make it as a 5th starter at least then yeah I’d say so.
Okay, but if you’re going to give the Sox credit for Masterson, you can give the Yankees ‘credit’ for Kennedy. And I guess Karstens? Where’s that coming from?
But yeah, their history with starting pitching has never been stellar. Either you’re great as soon as you come up and continue to be great, or you’re shipped out.
Maybe that says something about the organization’s policy and stature historically rather than their real ability.
That is true about IPK and Jeff Karstens. The oppressors would argue that they are in the NL.
But you’re right.
IPK sucks if you want him back but IPK is a very valuable pitcher if you argue about the Yankees development of pitchers.
Others have said that IPK sucks, not me.
Wang was fine before he got injured
Wang was fine before he got injured…
BUt he got injured. And even then he couldnt recover.
Hughes won’t last 4 innings. Call up Nova and have Hughes work out of the bullpen.
And turn Hughes into Joba.
We could’ve had a nice solid tart by Nova today. But no, they had to use Hughes asshole who is incapable of recording an out w/o giving up 6 hits beforehand.
BTW, A fitst baseman who cant hit .250 doesnt help either.
So Mark Teixera and his 25 HRS 65 RBI 52 Runs Scored and gold glove defense are no help to this team?
I think “tart” says it best.
Or troll.
O:S
Passed a diving Cano!
Hughes is getting hit HARD & LOUD!
How is that throwing error on Russell Martin an earned run against Hughes on both ESPN and MLB.com?
Is it something to do with the “cant assume double play” rule?
damn I don’t want to be down on hughes in his first inning back… but he looks like javy vazquez out there
Hell even Javy Vazquez has been great for the last month 8.4 K/9 to 1.79 BB/9…
Yet another 0-2 count. PUT HIM AWAY!
Will there be a post tomorrow describing how Hughes is still ineffective?
People, it’s 2 fucking runs.
Its not just the runs. Its the 31 pitches in one inning.
31 pitches and a warning track fly ball to LF. the score is not what people are concerned about
The problem is he couldn’t put away utters and threw a lot of pitches.
He looked just like he did the second half of last year.
There’s little reason to expect him to be effective the rest of the game.
Masterson looks nasty tonight and Hughes STILL can’t put away hitters. I’ve only ever been a fan of Hughes when he was the set-up man (appearance in Oakland prior to leg injury aside). I’ll say it right now and I will GLADLY eat my words should I prove to be wrong, but Hughes is not going to cut it as a legitimate Yankee starter. I have ZERO faith in the guy. Perhaps he’s just a head case. He seems meek to me.
31 PITCHES. Rough.
It’s been one inning people. Let’s not release Hughes outright quite yet.
That did not look good for Phil.
That could have been a LOT worse…
It also could’ve been a lot better if Martin hadn’t thrown that ball away.
I think we should all try to avoid jumping to conclusions based off one tough inning.
holy shit 31 pitches already.
Alright, all and all, just one inning. Lets be patient guys.
Could’ve been worse.
I honestly don’t know how anyone was expecting him to pitch well today.
That’s because you don’t know Girardi and Rothchild.
The worst-case scenario was that inning plus 89mph velocity. That was one step up from the worst-case scenario… IMO.
it’s much easier to say nova woulda been better now that hughes is struggling.
hindsight is 20/20, people.
Nova somehow became reliable in the span of one Hughes inning.
He’s just too hittable. I don’t know what the ceiling is for him anymore.
His ceiling= AAA middle reliever. The Yankees need to cut their ties with this hughes asshole ASAP.
…not sure if serious…
Not worth caring about.
Why do you keep calling him “this Hughes asshole”? It’s a little weird.
Same old same old – can’t put hitters away with 2 strikes.
A-Rod keeps smashing.
Well, at least that’s over… TWENTY MINUTES LATER!!!
nice break there
Thanks, Asdrubal.
The Yankees are hitting Masterson hard.
Jorge doesn’t deliver
Fucking Jorge.
Uhg, JoPo.
No thanks Jorge
no runs…mother fucker.
Success!
Hopefully inning number two will go better for Hughes.
great showing there guys
Good contribution from Russell and Jorge, really great job guys.
Pathetic to not score a run there. Posada’s gotta put the ball in play and Martin could step up anytime now.
Mas o menos.
Only way were getting to this guy is that he needs to make mistakes.
This thread is a disgrace
We’re winning this game
You don’t know that because the game isn’t over so I have to call you an idiot as others do to people of the other extreme.
But I won’t.
one inning and the sky is falling? take it to nomaas
/chicks dig large samples sizes’d
Nice, 2 black holes at catcher.
Saltalamacchia > Russ > Cervelli
Montero > All of em.
Don’t forget about Varitek . . . Ugh.
To be fair, he did have that plate blocked perfectly last night.
He just missed the tag.
I was sadly defending him. He’s put up far better numbers than I ever dared expect from him.
It’s too bad montero can’t catch
He’ll be as bad as a catcher as Jeter is a shortstop. Don’t see you complaining about that one.
Thank the Yankees for that. A manager like Jim Leyland would have Montero up here and playing.
Before the second inning begins, I just have to ask, is anyone really surprised so far?
Actually yeah. I thought he would be mediocre but not this bad. But I really shouldn’t have been.
OK Phil… another chance. I still believe.
(He hit 92 a few times in that inning.)
Just got home, how’s Phil look?
1IP, 4H, 2R
BB
Alright Phil, get your shit together
Tweet from Joel Sherman: “That is 78th straight AB for A-Rod without HR, but he is now tied with Jeter for the team lead in singles with 57″
How many more years is Arod’s contract??? UGHHHH!!!!
Why the fuck is he complaining about a .370 OBP player with moderate power and why the fuck is Jeter getting a pass for being worse?
Because he writes for the Post.
Nice tag by Tex.
How many ballgames is Joe gonna let Hughes lose for us? Just amazing that this move was made before the ASB when we were going so good. Amazing.
So basically you want to give up on your farm system.
Last time I checked, Nova was part of said farm
It’s the second inning. We haven’t lost anything.
Successful troll is successful.
yes, these troll have succeeded in making this game thread nearly unreadable.
You’re not a real fan unless you shit on every player.
I was gonna give Phil the courtesy of at least a few starts before I started shitting on him.
Come back in from that ledge!
Nice play by Tex
At least hitters are getting on or getting out in one pitch:-)
It’s the mariano method….throw nothing but cutters and let the opposition get themselves out.
God damn russ, Make him throw the curve for a strike. Stop telling him to bounce the damn thing.
Much better inning for Hughes.
Progress
Cue he’s an ace again.
wow a scoreless inning? does everyone love Phil again or we still want Lance Pendleton back????????????
Still not impressesd. Has to learn to throw the curve for a strike.
Phew. After the first inning I thought this game would be as disastrous as this sports broadcast:
and boom does the dynamite
Anyone know whats wrong with Montero?
back issues
You all have to be joking. I think his pitches looked worse than the first inning. His curveball was rolling, his fastball was flat and at 89, 90mph again.
That was his Cutter at 89, 90.
let the scout do his job…what would you know
how are you not a scout with that slick report from the TV
Those were cut fastballs my friend.
He hit 93 like 4 times, 92 another 5 or 6 times in the 1st. they were just hitting his offspeed bullshit.
Not talking about the first inning. I was clearly talking about the second. And as shocking as it may seem, you don’t need to be a scout to know about baseball and what you see. Opinions, even if you think they’re incorrect, don’t need to be met with sarcasm so it turns into a pissing contest. Hughes looks like shit. It’s not my fault that I recognize it.
Going to the game tomorrow. Jetes better get some hits tonight.
Offense?
Have you seen this pitcher’s stats?
YOu believe the Yankees offense can hit anybody.
I think they can hit anybody because they can!
Even Sandy Koufax?
If they can hit Cliff Lee even one more time I’ll be ecstatic.
Masterson’s pitches look pretty nasty tonight. 96 with movement
I bet Boston misses Masterson
Omg these balls will find holes eventually, right?
Every time I see that commercial, even though I know he won’t, I always expect Swisher to say: “The New York Yankees are … fucking awesome.”
For some reason, I thought the Yankees had hit Masterson well in the past.
Actually not: http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/.....-masterson
1 extra base hit in 64 at bats.
Ew.
MIke Mussina could strike people out 89 mile an hour stuff. Phil Hughes needs to work likt that if his fastball isnt overpowering.
Moose had a change-up.
So does Hughes.
Don’t you remember 2007? Moose got destroyed while he was trying to figure out how to pitch with 89.
He won 20 games in his last season. He eventually figured it out.
that curve looks like garbage
I don’t believe we’ll be seeing any 1-2-3 innings from Hughesey tonight
New gameplan for Phil. If Martin wants in or outside, pretend he’s calling for a pitch right down the middle.
He definitely needs to work on getting that third strike.
can someone please tweak Phil’s curveball grip……AJ? Larry? D-Rob….MO
Phil is so nasty right now, wow.
That’ll do Phil.
Another fairly quick inning.
Le sigh..
Good inning outside of that bad curve.
Everything was down hill.
Considering Hughes had 31 pitches in the first, this is not bad.
NIce to Hughes settle down. Now lets get some men on base and put up a few runs for him
Lets just accept that Hughes is a contact pitcher and not a strikeout pitcher.
I get the impression that even I could foul off a few of Hughes’ pitches. What is it about dear Phil that prevents him from finding anything that slightly resembles an out pitch?
his two best pitches are fastballs, he has nothing that that he can command that can disrupt an opponents timing.
Lester out 2-4 weeks. ouch
Hoping that goes longer.
How is that an ouch?
Because for the time being the Red Sox have 1 major league caliber starting pitcher right now?
you know what i mean… ouch for the sox off course
Outside of Beckett the Red Sox rotation not looking that strong, but they do have the greatest lefty in Andrew Miller so I am probably wrong.
Mexican Gangsta to the rotation?
Griffey and A-Rod is my guess.
YankeesJunkie is good at trivia
Naturally Berthiaume retweeted Sherman’s comments.
I wonder if he thinks pretending to be objective on BT makes it OK for him to be the totally biased fan he is on Twitter.
mike, after reading the comments in this game thread i realized why we can’t have the sin bin that blue seat blogs uses, i think my computer would explode
Wow, Posada’s average is nearly as high as Tex’s
My Teix and Wright selections as my top two picks are killing me.
All about the BABIP for Tex which is bound to regress.
Still don’t like the decrease in LD%.
Jason Varitek has a higher average than Tex.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Tears of gut-wrenching pain.
Please score some runs for Phil.
We’re not scoring anything off this guy.
Only hope is to get to the pen
Watching the game on the Indian’s broadcast. They have Caliendo in the booth and he’s nailing Charles Barkley and John Madden impressions. It’s pretty funny
i wish he would stay, 10x better than the normal announcers.
Watching the game on the Indian’s broadcast. They have Caliendo in the booth and he’s nailing Charles Barkley and John Madden impressions. It’s pretty funny three years ago.
FTFY
ehh, the Barkley impression is new I think
He did it during the NFL season last year, so it’s dated to at least then.
The Yankees look terrible against the Masterson.
Was that supposed to be a Dr. Who reference?
Actually it was a typo. Cross out that “the” before Masterson.
Oh, OK.
I can’t call Masterson “The Master.” That’s just blasphemy.
So when does Masterson hit free agency? His repertoire would fit well in Yankee stadium.
what the fuck are you swinging at Robbie?
Swing at whatever you want Robbie.
Frank Caliendo calling part of the game on the local Cleveland broadcast. Delightful.
Remember guys, we have seen this before. Pitchers look great for the first 5-6 innings, and next thing you know it, Bam, Yankees put a 4-5 spot up.
Well let’s hope the score is still close by then.
On Cano’s strikeout, Masterson was supposed to get that pitch up and instead hit the dirt. Pretty strange.
Looking at Tex’s average makes me vomit. I’ve been patient with Mark but I am currently removing myself from the 25 Party Bus. It would appear I’ve expected far too much from the guy. He’s a sub-.250 hitter. And Masterson just struck out the hearty side of our lineup. Spectacular, spectacular!
Dude, its not cool to shit on Tex. You were thinking Jeter probably when you wanted to vomit?
Masterson is in the zone. Can’t do shit when a pitcher has his stuff going.
Don’t mistake process with results. There’s more to hitting than just BA, and there are reasons why his BA is so low.
Meh, I don’t entirely buy into that. In baseball, if you’re a good hitter, you’re hitting the ball hard. The whole BABIP-fucked concept is silly. Texeira loves him some grounders and pop-ups. His batting average is low (and consistently at that) because he doesn’t use the entire field and he has a remarkable inability to process/hit off-speed pitches. Bottom line: If you make good, sweet, sexy contact, your batting average will reflect that. Also, he looks off balance whenever he swings.
http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....battedball
Educate yourself.
He’s hitting 2 percent less line drive form last year and 3 percent less since 2009. His fly ball percentage is the highest of his career but he’s posting a 20 percent HR/FB rate which means he’s gunning for the home run which everyone likes to call evil because apparently they love beating dead horses.
Anyways that ‘educate yourself’ comment was weaksauce to say the least.
I was referring to the comments about the grounders, which have been steady, and implying that his BA has always been low.
The “bottom line” comment was also stupid, in my opinion.
Agreed. Thank you. The amount of snark on this website is often overwhelming.
Wasn’t trying to be snarky, but I can see how it was. I apologize for that.
I’m sorry, consider me old-fashioned, but I judge the player by what he does on the field. Screw whatever statistics you care to share. I’ve seen them all. When I look at Teixera, I do not like what I see. You can quote whatever website you want, but, in the end, I’m right. It’s doesn’t take a number junkie to see that Tex is a mediocre hitter with occasionally exceptional power. He’s streaky as fuck, with slumps lasting months at a time, and the upside never quite seeming to last more than a couple of weeks. You can have your numbers, I’ll stick with what I observe on the field.
Well I just can’t argue with that because your argument is non-existent.
Dude, I’m not arguing with you. His BA is painfully low. Fact. To ME, that statistic is a PERFECT reflection of how he’s been hitting. I don’t need a dose of advanced sabremetrics to tell me otherwise. You can judge a player by whatever means necessary, but I, on the other hand, will defer to the field before I go barking up the fangraphs tree. Question, simple as it may be, would you rather have AGon or Tex as your 1B?
Well, that’s a loaded question. AGon is pretty clearly the best first baseman in the league.
He also has an astronomically high BABIP, doesn’t walk as much, and leads the league in GIDP, so it’s not as if he’s perfect.
And his really low BA is hurting his OBP. Yes people likes to say average is useless but when it’s making Teix get on base less than career norms then it’s a valid concern.
I never said BA is useless, it’s just not everything.
And his walk rate is also slightly down this year, but so is his strikeout rate. The interesting thing is that is OBP is down this year and his wOBA is up.
One cigarette=lung cancer
Robbie, “Yeah, I’m going to swing on the first pitch. Or whatever looks good. Fuck this patience shit.”
I don’t understand the purpose of throwing that cutter anymore. It’s garbage.
It’s the new pitch. Gotta practice it. In a live professional baseball game.
I would much rather see Hughes focus on a FB-CB-CH reportage than the cutter. Maybe add a SL, but just screw the cutter.
that was almost a spectacular double play
Jeter made a nice defensive play!
Jeter wit teh range
Hughes is getting lucky, looks like he doesn’t have shit right now.
Cano was just showing off when he caught it bare handed.
Does anyone think that Theo would undo the Masterson trade if he could? Dude has been money in AL since the trade. We bitch about Kennedy, the nation gave up Masterson to rent VMart.
Masterson wasn’t very good last year.
OK, I’m going to try to think of Hughes as a contact pitcher. But I don’t like it.
can I get the couch scouts review of Phil in the 4th?
Well at least Phil’s settled down. (well sorta). Still too many hard hit balls.
Nice. Hopefully Hughes can give the Yankees a few more innings.
And how about the job Phil has done the last 3 innings? The Ks aren’t there yet but he’s settled down. Now if somebody could just get a hit.
whoa RAB commercial?! Awesome guys!
I suddenly realize the commercial is wrong. It says live blogs every game. Oops?
The screenshots they show during that part of the ad are the weekly chat screenshots.
Yeah I know, but the commercial SAYS that there is a liveblog every game.
This thread doesn’t count as a ‘live’ blog. Seems like the blog is pretty alive to me. Easy to support from their perspective, regardless of what the screenshots are of.
My bad, supposed to be a ? after the first line…
Hughes is still lacking velocity. He was acelike when he was sitting 94 touching 95 and 06. He’s touched 93 so far.
Well damn!
Fucking BABIP
Poor Swish.
Well that sucks
GTFO, Grady.
Fuck you Grady
WOW….not a HR but nice grab
they’re hitting him too hard. this whole “in the zone” crap won’t last.
Not our night
That was a hell of an at-bat by Jorge.
Marty Foster, can’t stand his ass.
Any umpire, can’t stand their asses.
The only umpire I like is Laz Diaz.
He’s terrible behind the plate, too.
I know. But he’s kickass:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/.....oryid=2995
Eh, done giving him credit for that.
Pretty hard to hit a guy when pitches out of the strike zone are called strikes. Masterson is getting a lot of bullshit strike calls.
Yanks have been getting BABIP fucked all night
Fucking Red Sox.
Fucking US Women’s Soccer Team.
Fucking WNBA
Just tuned in…has this ump been calling the ball off the plate a strike all game?…those two called on Jorge looked brutally bad
Not sure what to make of Phil so far, as Process and Results are wrestling in my mind. 4 IP, 6 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K certainly isn’t an awful line, but Phil has looked eminently hittable at times tonight.
if the BABIP gets avg’d out this would be a really high scoring game
The BABIP gods are merciless.
All this Hughes bashing is out of control. We’re talking about a 25 year old who’s been very successful in the big leagues already, but he gives up 2 runs in his first game back in 3 months and some of you want him gone.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Completely agree. He certainly hasn’t been amazing but damn people here are ready to crucify the dude. He hasn’t pitched a real MLB game in 3 months so you can’t exactly expect him to be insanely sharp his first game back.
weak
Strikezone fail
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=7.gif
He fucked over Cleveland more than Hughes if that’s what you’re going for. And that’s not even that much of a failed KZone.
I’m just pissed about that outside pitch Masterson has been getting all night
Gardner fails once more at clearing the pitcher’s spot.
Did anyone doubt that Masterson was going to dominate this all star lineup today?
Given his stats I had a feeling.
Why is that second run charged on Phil? Martin had the throwing error.
Because the runner would’ve been on third with one out after the wild pitch. The next batter (Sizemore) hit a deep fly ball to LF which would’ve scored the runner as a sac fly, regardless of the error.
You reconstruct the inning without the error (the error was one to advance the runner, not to fail to get the out), and the fly ball and hit afterward meant the run “would have scored.”
Kay, there’s lots of Yankee fans everywhere.
Per Donnie Collins, the Yankees have placed catcher Jesus Montero on the disabled list with that stiff back.
quick someone press the panic button!
Pressed.
great K
Gameday had that called third strike in the other batter’s box. Ump fail?
Get the pen up , He’s starting to tire
Everything up and away there with the velo down. Probably tiring. But I’m not a scout.
Yeah, your not a scout, so stop trying to act like one
Only because you said so so commandingly. It made me shiver.
I can’t stand it when our pitchers give out free passes
Whoever taught his a cutter needs to be shot.
The pitch sucks for him.
I’m putting money on that drug addict Dave Eiland.
you mean Dave Island?
“It’s not spelled ‘island’ i-s-l-a-n-d surrounded by water, but E-I-l-a-n-d surrounded by Yankee pitchers. Uh ha ha ha.”
–Tim McCarver
If Hughes can keep that curveball down and in the zone, it can be a much better pitch for him.
I have never had faith in his curve. Too slow, loopy, and easy to spot as soon as he lets it go. He needs a full overhaul of his pitch repertoire.
WAAgh he’s sitting at like 90-91 with the four seam. Although it’s been 80 pitches right off a rehab assignment. Although I still don’t know if that’s making me feel better.
Well, just think, he was sitting at 88 earlier in the season.
I the Yankees lose (which, I would bet on) it’s because of the offense, not Hughes.
Hey, it might not be the best start, but at least he’s not being Mazzaro’ed…
That was historically awful. Lets just say he’s not getting Lackey’d
I felt so bad for Mazzaro. Left on the mound to die.
Speaking of how bad the Mazzaro start was earlier, check out this player:
http://www.baseball-reference......al01.shtml
“Allen Travers pitched only one game in 1912 when he was picked out of the stands, along with some other fans, to replace the Tiger players who went on a one game strike in protest of Ty Cobb’s suspension for beating a fan in the stands the previous game.”
He was left in for the complete game (8 ip), racking up 24 runs allowed (14 er), and a whopping 26 hits and 7 bbs (1 k), in his only career start.
Jesus Christ
Don’t blaspheme. Contribute something if you’re going to post.
It’s only blasphemy if it’s used as an interjection. There was no punctuation, so as far as we know, he could just be trying to communicate to Jesus Christ in order to ask him if he can help dink in some balls for the Yankees.
guessing this is Phil’s last batter.
89mph?
It was a cutter… and really, 1 or 2 mph doesnt mean shit. It’s where he places the ball that matters.
5ip 2runs is not bad. Overall I give him a C
Does Girardi throw Hughes out there for 1 more inning?
No. Take him out and be satisfied with what you got out of him tonight.
Don’t baby his ass. Make him give you 1 more.
No way. Let him built off his last 4 scoreless innings. If he gives up 2-3 runs in the 6th, it totally ruins any confidence he would have gotten from this outing. Baby steps!
Doubt it.
Hughes took more than 3 runs off his ERA tonight. LOL
That’s a hell of a bounceback by Phil. He emptied the tank there at the end and made some good pitches. Something to look forward to for his next start.
I say the treatment of Phil Hughes bah the fans is utter racism! He pitches better than brown man Nova, but ya’ll tryna kill him or something. He’s pitching a damn good game!
MLB.com had him 91-92 that inning which isn’t bad considering it’s like an April game for him and he still has to build arm strength.
Hughes still needs to put hitters away. I honestly think that’s still his biggest problem.
epic at bat by jeter
It seems like ages since Jeter took a walk, DL trip not included
The lefthanded swings have been so good against Masterson all night. They just haven’t fallen in or gotten out.
Oh offense…
Masterson is a good pitcher.
No better time for a HR!
The Yankees got BABIP fucked again in that inning.
they’ve been BABIP fucked all night.
BS…. get a friggin hit.
damn, no hit ball can find a hole
A-Rod’s hitting fine so I’m not really complaining – but he’s hitting a lot of hard groundballs. Remember when we had such lofty predictions for his Home runs this year? What the hell happened?
He stopped juicing, duh.
Curtis stole his HRs, it’s a zero sum game.
Well Teix went the opposite way and still got nothing out of it.
Shuckles.
The offense has been shit the past 3/4 games.
It’s too bad CC gets the most run support since he needs it the least.
they scored nine runs yesterday.
BOOM.
That’s why he said 3 of 4
Oh, I misread it.
Still, it’s an arbitrary endpoint.
Not necessarily arbitrary. I started when their win streak snapped.
She.
ftlt is a she, but either way, 5 of those runs were because Santana couldn’t catch a one-hopper to him. If he gets that, who knows what may have happened.
Offenses are not, and will never be, consistent. If they were, there’d be no fun… right?
Good point. It’s just annoying that they’re losing games in which the pitcher pitched at least decently.
I never said it should be consistent, just stating a fact.
Though, I don’t see how you wouldn’t have fun watching a consistent Yankees offense all season.
So Masterson for 1 more inning and then the shut down pen will be in. Game over peeps!
It is? Awesome, I can go do other things now.
SWEEET!!!!! Time to beat off and go to bed! Good thing Your Mom’s here to provide the negativity!
Sooooooooooo. Velocity was there, location was shitty at best?
There’s the Jeter range.
Kearns looking good this series. I hope we don’t waste a prospect on him again.
or check that, did he only cost money?
He cost ZMac.
fucking hit and run
On a scale of 1 to 10, I give Hughes a 6 for that start. Didn’t have great stuff, but limited the damage. That first inning really killed him.
He went 5 innings and gave up only 2 runs. That’s what matters in my book.
6 seems about right to me. He battled all night, but that’s to be expected in your first big league game in 3 months.
Looked more like the 2010 second half version of Phil Hughes- struggled to put hitters away when he had 2 strikes.
Considering the circumstances, I’ll Hughes a pass. Settled nicely after the first.
Eh, looked about the same as his whole career as a starter, minus 1.5 fluky months last year. Only thing that saved him is that the Indians offense just isn’t very good.
Looks like the Indians sacrificed something to the BABIP gods before tonight’s game
I knew we shoulda got the live chicken…
-Willie Mays Hayes
Knew we were in trouble when Ayala came in. ESPN gushed over him because of the low ERA, he’s been awful in big spots.
someone needs to do a breakdown of his splits in close games vs. garbage time. I feel like his close games ERA isn’t that good.
http://www.baseball-reference......=&t=p
Focus on the clutch stats and leverage sections.
Hah. None of the Hughes’ predictions were correct. I guess the one-year RAB Paywall subscription goes to me.
(The above written in place of a violent and profane diatribe against the cruelty of BABIP and missed opportunities.)
Boone Logan up in the pen… So there’s that….
I wonder when A-Rod hits a HR again.
Never because he’s overrated….
- the players who vote in SI’s
jealous Players polleveryone scared of Gardy’s cannon now, love it.
Gardner is a boss out in left
Yay for Gardner’s throwing arm
Time for Boone to prove his worth.
Boone LOLgan is back.
Bullshit.
Maybe he never moved out of the way because he never dreamed that Boone Logan would actually hit him with his first pitch of the game
Guess he didn’t catch the Reds game.
glad that they’re enforcing the “have to try to get out of the way” rule
Hafner must think that he’s Bonds or something.
classic boone logan
Cone is so awesome.
Boone Logan could use another one of A-Rod’s pep talks right now.
Yes
or an assist.
that was Boone’s plan, well done Boone.
I think that was part of ARods talk to Logan. Let them hit it as hard as they want, but just to me
A-Rod has to do everything for Boone Logan doesn’t he?
LOLogan… Just plain shitty. A Rod saved his ass right there
Finally the BABIP gods fuck the Indians
Hmm. I think ARod made that look harder.
Logan had a plan out there. Fall behind and make him hit it to Alex for a great play.
A-Rod just saved the ballgame and bailed out the bad pitchers in our pen. Now get Masterson out of the ballgame.
Nice plan Logan.
Hafner was 4 for 6 against Logan with a HR so maybe it was part of Boone’s plan to hit him.
Let’s hope we can score some runs now.
And Ayala’s ERA stays artificially low. Someone always bails him out whether it’s Robertson, Logan, or in this case A-Rod. Dump him when Soriano returns, use Noesi and Wade more in these close ballgames.
Yeah, I mean, They don’t have guys playing behind pitchers to do what A-Rod did.
DO NOT SWING AT THE FIRST @#(*$&(*@# PITCH ROBINSON
Get used to it. That’s the kind of hitter he is.
I’m used to it, as I think we all are. But I’ll never, ever like it.
2 hits in 6 innings. WTFFF.
Maybe they shouldn’t swing at the first pitch.
And no, Michael Kay, Alex did not save the game, because those runs would be irrelevant because the Yankees aren’t scoring any runs this game.
Masterson is a good pitcher. Look at the stats.
dang bro you say that like we have the astro’s lineup.
Sometimes you have to give the oppposing pitcher credit.
Glad the Sox traded him
coming back from two runs is still easier than coming back from 4. We’re not in a hole that we can’t dig out of with a couple of good swings (and some fucking luck with BABIP)
Uhh yeah 4 runs is the same as 2 runs…eesh watch the game the yankees are hitting it hard just not at the right areas
Dammit.
God dammit Kay. I thought that was a HR
holy friggin crap.
This just occurred to me: If Jeter doesn’t get #3,000 in the upcoming Rays series at YS, then that means he will likely get it in Toronto in the series against the Blue Jays immediately following the all-star break. The thought of him getting 3,000 in Canada makes me shudder.
Don’t worry. He’ll get it against TB.
Even Jeter can get 4 hits in 4 games
Jesus this game is annoying because the yankees actually hit some balls hard off masterson…right into the fielder’s gloves…
92mph FB with a 75 CB and an assortment of broke ass third pitches do not a front line starter make.
/thread
freakin hell
fucking Boone, Chisenhall? what the fuck
LOLgan
Stop with the BABIP nonsense. It’s getting really ridiculous.
There is no such thing as “evening out” or “regressing to the mean” when the sample size is ONE GAME. That’s how probability works. Just because there is a mean, it doesn’t mean that you will ever get results that are consistently near it.
The Indians have hit a bunch of balls hard with runners on base and have had nothing to show for it either. If the Yankees had good at bats instead of swinging at garbage pitches, they would be getting base hits.
Oh good, I was worried you weren’t going to grace us with your after-the-fact wisdom tonight.
Ban his ass
Yeah, he doesn’t agree with the masses here. Quick, ban him…
…
“Regression” means that there is a certain standard to which a statistic will most likely go. Always. It’s predicted in the future, though, not the present or the past.
First, my post was talking about regression in the short term.
And second, converging in probability to a mean does not require the standard deviation to converge to zero as well. You’re much likelier to see a bunch of extreme outcomes in both directions in a batted ball profile than anything near the mean.
Also, the batted ball profile tonight has hardly been conducive to any kind of typical portrait.
14 ground balls, 6 fly balls, and 1 line drive.
xBABIP would yield something like 5 hits, and the Yankees have 3. It’s not horrible luck, except for the fact that the Indians made a lot of nice defensive plays on them so it looks worse.
Blame Javy
Don’t forget Rafael Soriano.
sure driving the ball deep obviously meant we are swinging at shit
Yes, because clearly they hit the ball deep often tonight?
When you hit one or two deep balls that are turned into outs on nice defensive plays, that doesn’t mean you are getting completely screwed.
They have hit some balls hard tonight, but to complain about it in the way that some of you have done tonight is simply not correct. BABIP doesn’t mean that every night you should be seeing the same number of balls drop in. That’s not how it works. There are going to be really good nights, really bad nights, and some inbetween. Just because the average is at one level, doesn’t mean you’ll see results near it.
welp.
Well, I predict the Red Sox will be in first place by the break.
Your negativity is pathetic.
If you eat a bad meal, do you swear you’ll never eat well again?
AJ couldn’t get that scrub out which cost us the 1st game and now Logan can’t get him out putting this game away.
Fucking Lonnie Chiesenhall
like Mitre is any better than Logan.
Boone Logan does such a good job at pissing me the hell off. Not so much at pitching though…
Live by Logan, die by Logan.
My prediction coming true
Mitre? Girardi’s giving up
Death, Taxes and Mitre
3-3 on a road trip? That’s embarassing.*
And yes I’m assuming this game is lost, because the offense is nonexistent tonight.
RS will be only 0.5 games back in about 30 min.
*They could have gone 5-1 though. Gotta win those games.
Logan didn’t have a plan
Mitre? ok, that’s officially the end of the game.
I think the Yankees just suck against pitchers who attack the strike zone. As soon as someone throws a first pitch strike, they go on the defensive.
“Boone Logan has been so great against lefties” Whaaaat?
Does Micheal Kay even watch these games?
Really getting sick of this guy. I normally don’t bitch about announcers seeing that its a “grass is always greener” type thing, but I’m getting sick of the constant misreading of flyballs and in general stupidity.
Mitre in a fucking 3 run game???
Mitre got an out?…shocking
What do you expect when you just lay fastballs right over the plate in hitter’s counts?
Who cares that Boone Logan throws with his left hand? His control is TERRIBLE, and the only pitch he can throw consistently for strikes is the fastball.
Every hitter in the major leagues under the age of 35 can probably hit a fastball as straight as Logan’s. If you can’t locate it or change speeds, even weak lefty hitters will beat you.
They don’t have a prayer of coming back in this game so they may as well preserve Robertson for a game in which the hitters actually make an effort.
Didn’t realize Chisenhall was BA’s 25th best prospect at the start of the season.
So Gardner can’t hit sinkers, huh?
Jeter! 3 away!
Jeter’s been swinging the bat well tonight
Another XBH for the Captain!
Finally a Hard Hit ball that isn’t caught…And by jeter too! nice!
Did anyone else think that graphic looked bad since the d in Derek was not capitalized.
Something about seeing a proper name not capitalized bothers me. IDK
BABIP shit.
Asdrubal Cabrera: (Real) All-Star Shortstop
Fucking Asdrubal…
Fuck Asdrubal. I wish Mike was right when he said Asdrubal wasn’t in the lineup.
Fuck Asdrubal Cabrera, yo
Assdrubal
Assdribble
Ass Dribble.
Rob Dibble?
He’s an ass too.
Fucking Marty god damn Foster man.
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=7.gif
Too many red squares outside the box
there is just no way we will win this. no holes. nothing.
fucking BABIP/Luck/Whatever….If both of those balls were just a foot more to the right
tip your hat
Ok…FUCKING ASDRUBAL
The Indians have been right where the ball has been hit all freaking night long.
That Friends with Benefits movie looks stupid.
It’s like it’s trying to be that movie with Kutcher and Natie Portman. Don’t remember the name, but that’s probably because it looked stupid as well.
literally the same exact movie, change two actors, release it again 6 months later. gotta love Hollywood.
Mitre’s second pitch looked like my little cousin’s first attempt to throw off a mound.
He’s 10 years old, btw
LOL MItre.
God you suck Meat-tray
Quit pretending like you don’t love The Experience.
I’d sign for John and Susan for the rest of their lives if it meant Michael Kay was banished for the rest of his.
Ok Mitre is absolute garbage…I understand the necessity of having a mop-up guy, but I have a problem with 1.) using him in a very winnable (3-run) game and 2.) the fact that he doesn’t pass the “Better than Mitre” test.
Mitre technically cant be worse than Mitre. It is impossible under the laws of physics.
Until you introduce the Fourth dimension of said Physics, in which Mitre(A) may be worse than Mitre(B).
Mitre isn’t better than Mitre either though, so he wouldn’t pass the test…at least not under my standards.
Hopefully he’s the next to go when Soriano comes back.
Would you rather they use Robertson in a game that’s basically over anyway? Mo’s not available, Ayala and Logan already pitched, Wade is not available. That leaves Noesi and Mitre. Yes, I’d rather see Noesi, but I have no faith in them coming back to win this game either way.
there’s no deep depth in this bullpen
3-Run Shrek Bomb? Anyone?
Susan in danger of becoming a full fledged Homer… the other night while doing the scores… “Bud Norris has limited The Greatest Team Of All Time to just three hits.” Of course the sox came back and won. Nice one Susan.
If you insist on talking about her, please spell her name correctly. It’s Suzyn. And she’s from Boston originally. She’s not a Yankees fan.
In danger?
She already is a full fledged homer. She probably has a shrine of Roger Clemens and Jeter in her house.
It’s a shame she’ll get to see Jeter’s 3000th.
Seems like the Indians have been threatening every single inning.
Because they have. Zero 1-2-3 innings and the lead-off hitter on in 5 of the 8 innings.
T H E
E X P E R I E N C E
Mitre’s first name should be Montezuma because he makes you sick to see him pitch.
Of all of the shitty liquors to reference, that was a great choice…tequila
Mitre, y u so terrible?
I hate you Mitre
Ah, Mitrizzleshitz. Gotta love him.
…..the way you love asscheese
Guess Girardi doesn’t think they’re coming back in this game. It’s only July.
Watch the Yankees score 3 in the 9th
Mitre Blows…what’s wrong with you Girardi?
How much time do you have?
I’m so fucking sick of this scrub.
3 walks and a single, dear lord.
from certain angles, manny acta looks like quagmire from family guy
why
How about giving up a grand slam to make this one more bearable Mitre?
Well this game was over last inning so it doesnt bother me.
THey were beate fair and square.
So, in ALL sincere seriousness, the Yankees are 1-2 since Jeter’s return and 1-3 since dropping the Nooney Toon. Coincidence or not? I, for one, miss Eduardo. The kid had spunk, yo.
Obviously he had everything to do with it.
Oh, but you will NEVER know.
Nope, cuz I just look at stats and don’t use my eyes.
I FUCKING HATE SERGIO MITRE! WHY DO THE YANKEES HAVE SUCH A FUCKING BONER FOR HIM???
CuZ hEs h0ttt
derrrr
why did we bring The Experience back again?
For the shits and giggles
Wow. I mean I woulda even preferred Pendleton in this spot, lol.
Ok, DFA this fucking scrub please.
The second Mitre comes in I turn off the game because I know its over. Its like bizarro-Mariano.
Sergio Mitre walks in a run! Everybody drinks!
way to make sure there’s no chance of a comeback mitre
We had no chance anyway.
jorge’s gonna hit a 3 run hr, that would have tied it. now it’s only gonna be 5-3
Girardi really didn’t want to give the yankees a Chance
What a shitty game.
I’m speechless. I honestly wish I could go back in time 3 hours and do something productive that way this time will not have been wasted watching utter futility. What a disappointment. The Yankees should feel embarassed.
I really, truly hope this is the last time I ever have to see Sergio Mitre pitch. The Yankees probably weren’t coming back, but that was just plain ugly
Alright let’s at least break the shutout
It’s hard to sweep good teams, and that’s essentially what this has been.
The Yankees blew the first game that they should have won, and if they didn’t we’d be talking about how badly the Yankees dominated Cleveland in this series other than a few balls hit right at Indians defenders tonight.
This team is playing much better than its record suggests, but eventually you are going to have to start winning those games. The Red Sox are right on their tail, and it’s in large part due to the games they keep giving away. A .600 record is pretty good, but with the number of games they’ve completely given away, it should be more like .620 or .630 (and their run differential bears it out- 3 games better than their actual record).
Because the Yankees have really been giving away a lot of games, what with winning six straight series and being the hottest team in baseball since they lost four in a row…
WTF?
Have you been watching this team play?
Yes, they have been playing well. But the games that they have been losing have often been ones that they either blew or really should have won in other ways (like the 1-0 shutout against Cleveland at home).
This is exactly what I’m saying. They HAVE played well, but they have really played even better than the record suggests. They have underachieved so far, which is scary for the rest of the league. However, eventually you have to start taking those games. Boston is hanging around because they are letting those slip away.
Actually, even more than that. Their expected W-L is 54-40 (.643), and if you consider games like Sunday, Monday, etc, it should be even better than that.
They’ve had 8 losses at least this year late in games with leads. If they win even half of those games, and don’t go 1-8 against Boston, they’re cruising along with a 7 or 8 game division lead right now.
Blame Javy.
That’s life deal with it
Yeah seriously. Maybe it’s confirmation bias on my part, but I feel like the Yankees have given away several games this year that they absolutely should have won. The first examples that come to mind are 1.) the Mariano blown save w/ 2 outs to the Mets and 2.) the Soriano meltdown in april to the twins.
If you go look through the results, it does seem that they have had an inordinate number of “meltdown” type games so far, or ones in which they gave up some big hits late.
1) Soriano’s meltdown vs Min
2) Rivera’s blown save vs. Toronto
3) Soriano’s HR to Konerko
4) 14 inning loss to KC at home
5) 3-0 blown lead to Seattle
6) CC Meltdown vs Boston in the 7th of a 2-0 game
7) Rivera’s blown save vs. Mets
8) Burnett’s blown 2-0 lead vs. Cleveland
Plus a bunch more in which they lost games by one or two runs after having really good chances, such as bases loaded, nobody out.
These are games that the Yankees would usually be winning given their bullpen, but were blowing in almost epic fashion.
It evens out when you consider all the games the Yankees win that they “weren’t supposed to win.” Like, jeez, this team has one of the best run-differentials in all of baseball. Sometimes, crap happens.
That’s simply not true, especially in a sample size of just half a season.
And if you would actually read my posts instead of looking to launch your personal attacks, I’m saying that this team has actually played REALLY WELL. It just hasn’t translated into the results yet in the standings, because they have had a lot of sloppiness bunched up in some of these close games.
Also, they are underperforming their run differential by 3 games right now, probably because of those kinds of games.
They have been good, but their record should be even better than it has been. The problem is that all that counts is the actual wins that you get, not the number you “should” have.
It portends well, but they have to find ways to finish those games off too.
Also, don’t forget the game vs the White Sox, in which they were robbed twice in a row of game winning hits.
Think about how much better they have been this season than Boston. Against everyone else that they have faced, the Yankees have been 14.5 games better than them, and that’s INCLUDING these meltdown games!
According to baseball-reference, Comeback Wins vs. Blown Leads:
2004- 61-25
2005- 42-33
2006- 49-38
2007- 40-33
2008- 49-27
2009- 51-24
2010- 48-30
2011- 17-16
I’m not entirely sure how they define the latter, but it’s pretty clear that this is a little atypical for a team like this. It has some time to regress a bit, but so far it has been a bit erratic.
I feel like they put Mitre in when they want to forfeit games. Either that, or Girardi has a personal vendetta against Mitre’s ERA.
Mitre was just trying to lull em into a sense of security…
time for an A-Bomb
Nosei must have ran over Girardi’s Dog or something
Seriously, what has Mitre EVER done to keep getting all these chances ? Especially with a team like the Yankees. The Brewers got rid of him, that should tell them something
I see Randy Levine’s fingerprints all over this Mitre-gosh! Cashman couldn’t be stupid enough to re-acquire him. Right?
With Ayala, Logan and Wade unavailable and Girardi not wanting to use Robertson while trailing, his options were basically Mitre or Noesi.
I’d prefer to see Noesi but he’s not exactly Cy Young out there either.
He’s not Mitre so i would have been happy
Our option was not to re-sign the useless fuck at all
Mitre = absolutely fucking useless
Impossible? no. Likely? no.
I’d rather see Igawa get called up than have Mitre on the roster. At least you’d have a 2nd lefty in the pen.
base hit these mother fuckers to death
we need to score 3 runs to get angry at Mitre.
Look, baserunners!!!! A potential rally!! God I hate Mitre.
If it weren’t for Mitre, we’d have the tying run at the plate right now.
We need to score those runs to get angry
Plus Fallacy of the predetermined…
Wow, wouldn’t it be nice if this was still a 3 run game?
fallacy of the predetermined.
Good thing Mitre gave them those insurance runs
lol Brantley, I smell a rally.
Oh Mitre…
Incorrect. Closer would have been in the game if Mitre succeeded.
holy shit, babip luck works for them!
Well we broke the shutout
Wow, fuck Mitre. Fuck him.
you realize Pestano wouldn’t have even come in if Mitre doesn’t give up those runs…
he can still hate Mitre
Shhhhhhh, I want to get to blame Mitre for this loss.
I know, I know, fallacy of the predetermined outcome yadda, yadda.
Shutout gone. Catchers coming up . . . Hmm
Closer would have been in the game. Not this guy.
Everybody
If Mitre didnt give up those runs, than Perez would be in the game right now and we might not score any runs.
+1
3 runs would have been a save and Perez comes in
Good point.
I like this Pestano guy.
Look, a rally that doesn’t look like a huge tease!
fucking Experience. If he’d actually been able to hold. Hughes left this game very much keeping us still in it.
Fallacy of the predetermined outcome.
Hey, think of it this way. Without Mitre (assuming a scoreless 9th), we would have had Perez coming in with a 3 run game to start the inning, tying run two batters away.
Now, we got to see Vinny Pestano and Perez comes in with the tying run only 1 batter away, with runners on base to distract him.
Exactly, what Greg said.
I’m not going to hold my breath…now if Girardi had put in someone besides Mitre and we were still only down by 2, that would be a different story
I know that Soriano looks like he’s coming back at the end of the month, but the Yankees should still look at Gregerson, Adams, Choate, Mike Dunn, Koji Uehara, and if Oakland decides to sell they have a bunch of pieces. I’m not completely sold on Ayala and Cory Wade, but they can stay for now. But Logan and Mitre should be gone, and Noesi should be starting in AAA. I doubt Cashman is going to be able to upgrade the rotation unless something he pulls off something we don’t see coming, but the bullpen lost two guys who were supposed to be huge (Joba and Feliciano) and could definitely replace them
I typically like Kay, but his constant on-and-on about Jeter is getting to me. People aren’t going to rush back to their TV’s to see hit #2997 or anything like that. This isn’t a homerun milestone yet where it can happen on any AB. This will take several more no matter what.
Ok, feel a little better now.
You do realize that monday’s game with Derek’s return achieved a 6 rating, the highest-rated game on YES this season, don’t you? Kay’s doing business…as he’s being paid to do.
This is what usually happens to our pen in a non-save situation. Gotta bring the closer in.
Can’t we actually blame this on Girardi should they Yankees score two more runs? I mean, who else can be blamed? (Pointing the finger at MeatSauce would just be cruel)
No because if Mitre held, then the closer would have been in there to begi the inning.
In a way Mitre gave up 2 runs and helped us get 3 runs.
We scored 3 so can we hate Mitre now???
No
Let’s go Brett, keep us alive
Can I add that the bullpen is a little thin right now…you have the use the arms that are there rather than burn through everyone.
PH Nunez if Gardner gets on
In a way Mitre gave up 2 runs and helped us get three.
OMG IT’S ALL MEAT-TRAY’S FAULT!!!111!1!1!1!11!1!1!1!1!!!
Be quiet
It’s Javy’s fault
Let’s not leave out Rafael Soriano
Let’s blame Levine while we’re at it
+35 million over 3 years
Thank you Girardi
Fallacy
Swing the fucking bat, Brett.
that strike three was shades of carlos beltran in 06
inevitable
Nice AB Brett
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! He watched that float RIGHT THROUGH the strike zone. Classic. Caaalassssic Brett. Classic.
Gardner tries to get a hit without swinging the bat.
because a walk is just as good as hit in this situation..the pitch was borderline
That’s why he should be leading off.
Okay sweep the rays and we’ll forget this series every happened
this HP ump has sucked all game
look at the pitch zone someone posted earlier…outside pitches were getting called like crazy
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=7.gif
He called it pretty even both ways.
Lol FAIL!!
Gardner sucks right now.
Maybe it’s because he’s ‘not happy’ about being demoted in favor of someone who plays like shit?
I read that players can’t play if they’re not happy.
Man, I hate watching the Yankees get owned by stellar pitching. Fucking sucks knowing that I completely wasted the last 3 hours of my life. Bring the goddamn brooms, mothah truckahhhhhhhhsssss! No more losing until AFTER the ASB.
We’re not losing period! (or else i will rage uncontrollably)
They took our jorbs!!!!!
Dey turk urrrr jerbbs!
One of the things I find so unfair about wins and losses is how Hughes gets pegged as the losing pitcher here. He kept his team in the game, and the team actually overcame the two runs he gave up. In my fair and just world, Sergio “The White Flag” Mitre would have taken the loss here.
Command wasn’t there, but he’s coming back. Huuuuuuuuuuuuuughes!
Jeter will get his 3000 hit in Batting practice on thursday Better get to the game early.