Saturday’s Trade Deadline Open Thread


Gotta figure the next day and a half will be pretty hectic with rumors and trades and what not, so let’s start a thread for any Yankees-related stuff throughout the day. I’ll update this post and bump it to the top of the site whenever something noteworthy breaks, so the top bullets will be the latest info…

  • The Yankees bowed out of talks for Ubaldo four days ago after Colorado refused to let them perform a physical on the right-hander if they agreed to a trade. For what it’s worth, Jimenez is warming up to pitch against the Padres at the moment, so the report of him being scratch was erroneous. (Sherman)
  • Jimenez has been scratched from tonight’s start, and a deal appears to be done. He’s heading to Cleveland. (Heyman & Renck)
  • The Yankees took all the prospects Colorado wanted for Ubaldo off the table, and instead offered Phil Hughes and several others. The Rockies weren’t happy with that, so they turned to the Indians and sped up talks. The Yanks tried to sell it as troubled pitcher for troubled pitcher. (all Joel Sherman)

  • The Indians and Rockies are in serious talks about Ubaldo. The package would reportedly be centered around lefty Drew Pomeranz, righty Alex White, and second baseman Jason Kipnis. That’s basically their three best prospects. (Troy Renck)
  • Kuroda has informed the Dodgers that he intends to remain with them for the rest of the season. So cross him off the list. (Dylan Hernandez)
  • Minnesota says they aren’t trading Francisco Liriano, though the Yankees have called to check in on him anyway. There are no rumblings of a three-team swap despite the earlier Span rumor. (Heyman)
  • The Yankees won’t put Montero, Nova, Banuelos, or Betances in a package for Ubaldo. “Or,” not “and.” I guess that leaves … Romine and Hector Noesi? Sheesh, way to play hardball. (Jon Paul Morosi)
  • Kuroda has indicated to the Dodgers that he will accept a trade to the Yankees (as well as the Red Sox and Rangers, but who cares about them). Meanwhile, the Rockies will have a scout in the stands tonight for Nova’s start. (Gordon Edes & Sherman)
  • The price has come down on Jimenez. The Rockies only want Nova, Montero, and Dellin Betances now, they’ve stopped asking for Manny Banuelos. The Yankees are still saying no, as you can imagine. (Heyman)
  • The Yankees have inquired about the availability of Denard Span. Given the state of their awesome outfield, that is clearly a move that would be made as part of something much bigger. Speculate at your own risk. (Tim Brown)
  • Although the Yankees have scouted Wandy Rodriguez, they haven’t talked to the Astros about acquiring him. Just a reminder, Wandy is owed $10M next year, $13M the year after, and then his $13M club option for 2014 turns into a player option if traded. He’ll be 35 then. (Marc Carig)
  • The Ubaldo situation is basically a stare down. Cashman and Rockies GM Dan O’Dowd are hardly talking at the moment, waiting for each other to blink. The best way for Colorado to maximize Jimenez’s value could be to hold onto him and shop him in the winter after a strong second half. (Joel Sherman & Olney)
  • The Yankees are among the team watching lefty reliever Matt Thornton. He’s good, but he’s also owed close to $6M a year through age 38, and how often does a guy that relies on throwing his fastball by people to survive age well? (Sherman)
  • Apparently the “C prospect” the Dodgers wanted in addition to Nova for Kuroda was a top catching prospect, either Jesus Montero or Austin Romine. It’s still early in California, maybe they’ll come back to reality after breakfast. (Jon Heyman)
  • Bill Livesey, one of Brian Cashman‘s most trusted scouts, is watching the Padres and their various relievers. The Yankees have been connected to  setup guy Mike Adams quite a bit, though a deal seems unlikely. (Sherman)
  • The Rockies maintain that they want three high-end prospects for Jimenez, but the Yankees are waiting to see if the price comes down. Another report indicates that “someone who should know told me that the Yankees are all over Ubaldo Jimenez.” (Jack Curry & Tim Kurkjian)
  • The Dodgers asked the Yankees for Ivan Nova and an unnamed “C prospect” in exchange for Hiroki Kuroda. I’m not sure if that’s supposed to be a catcher prospect, or a Grade-C prospect. Either way, that package is not happening, but that’s why they negotiate. The Yanks believe that the Dodgers won’t try to talk Kuroda into waiving his no-trade clause unless it’s a great deal for them, and the two sides haven’t talked recently. (Joel Sherman & Olney)
  • The Rockies may lower the asking price for Ubaldo Jimenez today, but apparently not enough for the Yankees to consider a deal realistic. If they do drop the price, that’s a pretty good indication that Colorado fully intends to move their ace. There’s no doubt in my mind that this is going down to the wire, trade or not. (Ken Rosenthal & Buster Olney)
  • In case you were hoping for Doug Fister, forget it. He’s been traded to the Tigers. I’m a fan, but the Yankees never really seemed to be on him.


  1. Charles says:

    What about building a deal around quantity rather than quality for Jimenez? IE instead of Montero/Banuelos and Nova, maybe Nova/Betances/Romine/Corban Joseph (Or some other AAAA type bat).

      • Sayid J. says:

        More lottery tickets. Not saying they would accept the offer, but getting 4-5 legitimate prospects could be more appealing than getting 2 top prospects.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          If that was more appealing to them, they’d probably ask for it.

          I would also imagine that if they were looking for “lottery tickets” they’d be looking at Gary Sanchez, Mason Williams, Gumbs, Slade, Murphy… rather than a Romine or Corban Joseph. Both Romine and Joseph have solid chances at being MLB starters/contributors in a few years, but with their upsides I would not call them “lottery tickets.” Mason, Slade, Sanchez… those guys having legit shots at being stars.

          Colorado is a pretty solid club, though, so I could see then wanting immediate help for 2012 rather than guys who may or may not help 3, 4, 5 years from now.

          • Dano says:

            You contradicted yourself plus slade is injury prone. Ok. Ok.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              Contradicted where? The last sentence? Read the comment again. Colorado probably wants Montero and Betances and Banuelos… guys who are MLB ready or close… because that’s who every report has them asking for. If they wanted Romine and CoJo or low minors guys… chances are that’s who they’d ask for.

              That’s why he’s a lottery ticket. “Lottery ticket” is rarely used to describe someone in AA who should be at least passable in MLB in a couple of years, but has a low chance of being a real impact star. That’s about the opposite of “lottery ticket.” “Lottery ticket” implies a high risk-high reward player.

              • bottom line says:

                What they ask for and what they’ll take likely two different things. If not, Yanks should walk away.

                • Ted Nelson says:

                  Different, but they’re not pressured to move Jimenez for two years… so they can just walk away as easily as the Yankees.

      • bottom line says:

        It’s a pretty damned god haul, actually.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          I tend to disagree.

          Colorado has a decent young C and their #2 prospect is a C, so how much good does Romine do them? They’ve said they want Montero as a 1B, not C.

          They’re getting one player with star potential in Betances, who a lot of people think will be a reliever. Otherwise… 3 guys whose ceilings are solid starters.

    • GT Yankee says:

      SOOOOOOOOOO glad nothing came together for Ubaldo “Did you see me not get out of the first inning without giving up 4 to the Pads today” Jimenez. I know as fans we hope, but one season does not make an “ace”. Just look at his BIG TIME dropoff in results since the 2010 All-Star game. Looks like he would have been pulled after the first inning whether the trade to the Tribe went down or not.

  2. RIP Irabu says:

    i hear jamarcus russell can still throw

  3. Anyone else get the sense that the Tigers just traded future Doug Fister for present Doug Fister?

  4. wow says:

    I would think that the any Montero, Nova, Banuelos/Betances would have been enough. I really hope Nova isn’t the hold up. Maybe they just want him to pitch tonight so they don’t have to give Noesi the shot he deserves at starting game. lol

    • Thomas Cassidy says:

      No way the Yankees do Montero, Nova, Betances/Banuelos and another prospect. That would be one stupid move.

  5. steve (different one) says:

    A guy named furbush is being traded for a guy named fister? So many joke possib ilities…must resist

  6. steve (different one) says:

    Sounds like the Mariners got a decent haul for Fister

  7. Mike D. says:

    Fister pitched well the Yankees and is having a good year…but for Yankee Stadium, his groundball rate is WAY too low considering his low K/9.

  8. Cy Pettitte says:

    Heard #Dodgers asked #Yankees for Nova plus C prospect (not sure which) for Kuroda. Non-starter for a rental


    lol, seriously?

  9. JM says:

    In the next couple of days, things about to get REAL. I really hope for a ninjacash move. I’ll be so depressed if the Yanks don’t do anything because I love the excitement of the Trade Deadline.

  10. Phife Dawg says:

    Is it just me or is that fans have proclaimed Nova as some super ace/ savior? People are making a bitch fest about sending Nova down because he has 8 WINZ1!11! He doesn’t miss bats and has really no plus pitches that screams ace. He’s not a bad pitcher or anything but people are severely overrating Nova’s value.

    • meaty balls says:

      hes really not that bad(nova). its not like hes been in the league for 5 years have a little patience if you know how.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        Not being bad and being an ace are not the same thing… The comment you responded to literally said “He’s not a bad pitcher or anything but people are severely overrating Nova’s value.”

    • Hardy says:

      Nova is a 24 year old starting pitcher, close to league average and with very little service time. That is quite valuable.
      I have not seen a lot of people at RAB proclaiming him an ace or something, but a cheap fifth above average starter would certainly help the Yankees in the upcoming years.

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        This. I’d put Nova in a package for Ubaldo or Danks, but Kuroda or another rental? No chance.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        I have seen a lot of people flipping out constantly that he was demoted and is being mentioned in trade rumors. I have seen people put him in the list of players they would not trade along with Montero and Banuelos, ahead of Betances and every other prospect.

        There are people who overrate him, and it seems like a bit of a trend to me. At the same time I’m sure there are people who underrate him too.

    • Jorge says:

      Ivan Nova stands a very good chance of holding down a back-of-the-rotation slot in the AL East. You don’t trade someone like that for a 36 year-old rental pitcher who is several notches below “elite.”

      Trades have to make sense for both teams. It’s drizzling. The sky is not falling.

      • Phife Dawg says:

        Trading him for a rental like Kuroda is insane, but him being the holdup in a deal for a top flight starter like Ubaldo is just stupid.

  11. Nuke Ladoosh says:

    Think Ubaldo to Yanks will happen and it will be Montero Hughes Sanchez + Warren.

  12. Tyler says:

    I’d be fine with the Yanks just acquiring Bedard isn’t of giving up an elite prospect for Ubaldo…if they could just DL him until Sept 1 to avoid certain injury.

    • Fin says:

      Because Bedard is a better bet than colon to be healthy at the end of the year? I would put my money on Colon. Thats a rediculas comment. The Yankees are looking to solidify the top of the rotation, not double down with red 4.

      • Jorge says:

        A bit bummed about never being in on Fister (impossible to write a sentence with that name sometimes.) I would love to have seen what the Yankees could have put together for him.

        Other than that, as always, I’d rather roll the dice with what’s got the team close to the top than get the other type of fister from another team and wind up regretting it later. Even Nova one-up for Kuroda sounds ridiculous.

  13. SDM says:

    anyone else sick of the trade deadline rumors?

  14. I’m looking for the ninja-trade for Wandy. Prospect cost would be minimal thanks to his contract. Maybe Romine plus a couple non-top prospect arms? We haven’t been linked to him in a while, which is typical of a Cash-ninja move.

  15. meaty balls says:

    how come people gave cashman crap for not having a good farm and trading it away. and now all of a sudden hes a moron for not dumping the farm.

    • nycsportzfan says:

      because we have a loaded farm, and in 2yrs, guys like Deluca, Marshall, Murphy, Sanchez, Culver, Mason Williams, Stoneburner, Jose Ramirez, Flores, Segedin, will be a fine nucleus, and we still will

      Also, we will still have Noesi, Warren, Phelps, Mitchell, Romine, Heredia, Heathcott, Corban Joseph, david Adams, to play with untill the guys i mentioned above are ready to make there impact…

      Then u got intersting guys like Pinder, Cotham, Montgomery, yeicok calderon, melky mesa, roller, Nuno, Quintana as well…

  16. JM says:

    This whole week has been speculation disguised as “inside sources”. Nothing means anything until you see “close to acquiring” basically.

    • Oscar Gamble's Fro says:

      Nothing means anything until you see “acquired.” It’s all just conjecture, speculation and barbershop talk until you get word that a deal is actually done.

  17. Chelo says:

    Honestly, I Hope we dont trade #Jesus. Anyone else, Im all for it, just plz not #Jesus

  18. Nuke Ladoosh says:

    Nova and Montero for Kuroda? Maybe they swapped out Kershaw for Kuroda.

  19. Fin says:

    I’ll take a 28yr old Ulbaldo over a 32 yr old Lee any day. Lee got a contract that is going to criple the phils in a yr or 2. 6 yrs 135mil. Did anyone on this website think Lee was anywhere near worth that? Even with prospects included, Ubaldo is a better a deal than Lee would have ever been. I dont like the trade either way. I dont think Ubaldo is made for NY. It beats the shit outa what they wanted to give Lee though. Ubaldo cant even step up and be the man in Colorado, it can only get worse in NY.

  20. Raul says:

    It’s becoming more and more apparent that the Yanks are going to sign Ubaldo. At this point, I doubt they’ll go for Kuroda, especially with the price tag. For a rental like that, I don’t even think giving up Montero alone would get much value.

  21. Cy Pettitte says:

    please no on Thornton unless he has to come with Danks.

  22. Jack Merridew says:

    Ubaldo would put us up there even with Boston in the ALCS. In the end Cashman will realize this and make the deal. The Yankees don’t sit around and wait for pitching prospects to develop. Haven’t had a successful one since Andy Pettitte.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Chien-Ming Wang was very successful.

    • Jorge says:

      I’d love to get my hands on some of these crystal balls others have on here.

      You already assume that:

      1) Boston will finish ahead of us
      2) Boston will make the ALCS
      3) The Yankees will make the ALCS
      4) Boston is preordained to beat the Yankees in the ALCS

      David Robertson and, yes, Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes would also like to say hello.

  23. King George says:

    @Kurkjian_ESPN: Source said “someone who should know told me that the Yankees are all over Ubaldo Jimenez.”

    Furthermore, just listened to ESPN Radio on the way home from the gym and Kurkjian said he wouldn’t be shocked if the Yankees traded for Ubaldo before his start tonight for vs the Padres…getting interesting.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      I think a trade will happen tomorrow, if anything. Colorado needs Ubaldo to start tonight, Yankees need Nova to start tonight (unless Adam Warren is in New York on standby).

    • Fin says:

      I dont get why everyone is so excited about jimez. We have seen this story before..His name is AJ. Sure Ubaldo is a better pitcher but the odds of him realizing his potential in NY is almost none, when he cant do it in CO. Living in CO, I have seen him pitch and heard all the reports on him. Hes frikin great, but…but doesnt have it in him to be an ace. Are the Yankees really going to trade for a guy the Rox and the rest of the baseball world think is soft? To play in NY?

      • The Big City of Dreams says:

        Are the Yankees really going to trade for a guy the Rox and the rest of the baseball world think is soft? To play in NY?


        It wouldn’t be the first time.

        • Fin says:

          Cash$ seems to learn..its the owners I’m worried about. I have no doubt that at best Jimez would be an Ok pitcher in NY. If anyone on this planet is not made for NY, its Jimenz.

          • Mike Axisa says:

            If anyone on this planet is not made for NY, its Jimenz.

            Based on what?

            • Fin says:

              Based on the fact he has never reached his potential in CO. I knew about him in the minor leagues. He was going to be great and as he arrived in the majors, his expectations droped. As good as he is, he should be better. All the press talks about, is how he doesnt want to be the man, be the best. Whatever, run your spread sheet of him in NL and then see how it works out in the AL and NY. The odds are against him in NY, hard. I mean what more do you want me to tell you, but he is soft.

              • Mike Axisa says:

                So what? Paul O’Neill didn’t reach his potential in Cincinnati.

                • Fin says:

                  So you give me an example of an everyday player that exceeded expectations and compare it to pitching? Give me an example of a young pitcher who reached his potential with the Yankees, or even one that got better when he joined the Yankees. Don’t throw out crap old pitchers who bounced back when they got to the Yankees. I want a young guy who was a Jimenz/vazques/whitson/rodgers/burnett/mcdowell/ pavano/irabu/contrarez ect. Give me one, and C.C and Musina dont count because neither had risks attached and both as good as they were with the Yankees arent better than they were before they got here. We are expecting Jimenez to be at least as good, hopefully better (which he will have to be in the AL) than before he got here. If history is a predictor, the odds are heavily stacked against it.

                  • Mike Axisa says:

                    So I’m supposed to name someone after you disqualified every pitcher they’ve acquired over the last two decades?

                    • Fin says:

                      Make the argument that C.C. is better with the Yankees than before he got here or Mussina. I jsut premeted the argument to save you time.

                    • Mike Axisa says:

                      What about Garcia and Colon, who have wildly exceeded expectations? Even Nova has. Perhaps it’s the new pitching coach.

                      The Yankees haven’t acquired many young SP in the last two decades. Javy was an All-Star in the first half of 2004, then hid his shoulder injury. He completely broke down physically last year and it carried over to this year. I guess he can’t handle Florida either.

                  • TheMick says:

                    Babe Ruth was a young pitcher who hadn’t reached his potential when the Yankees acquired him.

              • nycsportzfan says:

                dude, this is just not a smart post… Ubaldo injured his thumb in the beggining of the season, hence his slow start, hes been pitching fantastic ball over like a 12game span or so with like 1bad start since.. His velocity is in the 95-97 range, and he dominated the yanks when he pitched against em this yr, and also the white sox while pitching solid against the tigers… The guys fantastic, hes what you hope Dellin Betances maxes out to be and Nova simply is just a back of the rotation starter, that could easily never have a higher trade value then he does this very season.. Ubaldo is a number 1 pitcher, in my opinon…

                • The Big City of Dreams says:

                  Ubaldo is a number 1 pitcher, in my opinon…

                  His velocity is in the 95-97 range

                  The guys fantastic


                  If you’re the Rockies why give up a 27 yr old cost controlled ace when you’re competing with teams like the Giants and D backs?

                  • Fin says:

                    Because hes not an ace…Hes not C.C, hes not the freak, hes not halladay, hes Fernandez, hes not not J.J, hes not Price, he not Kershaw, hes not those guys…hes a number 2 they are trying to get an ace return for.

                    • The Big City of Dreams says:

                      Yea that’s what it looks like. I’m not against getting him. I’m just against overpaying for him. I’m hearing fans say this is a deal they have to do…let’s calm down.

                • Fin says:

                  I think Montero/Bentences/NOva can land you about any ace that hits the market. Ubaldo is not an ace.

              • Steve S. says:

                Check out his career Home/Road splits. One could argue he’ll be BETTER here, not worse.

          • The Big City of Dreams says:

            Is the talk about his make-up true? I wonder what the fans that see him pitch on a regular basis think about him in NY?

      • steve (different one) says:

        The yankees already have an ace. Does he “have it in him” to be an excellent number 2? What about his Oedipus complex? Maybe he has Stockholm syndrome.

      • Steve H says:

        Yeah, Jimez is not very impressive.

  24. Bavarian Yankee says:

    trade Frankie + a non-prospect pitcher to LA for Kuroda and call up Montero. The Dodgers won’t get much better offers than that.

  25. John Cerra says:

    Sorry to be off topic here, but I know a lot of people are paying attention to this thread, and I can’t really can’t find an answer on the web. On the Trenton Thunder stadium, do the rows in alphabetical order from the field, or from the grand stand. I am trying to buy tickets (why not be as close to the field as I can get?) When I ask for the “best seats” it puts me in Section 18 row D, but I can find Section 16 and 14 in row C available….so I am confused. Any Thunder fans here?

    Would you trade Montero and others for Jimenez or take Wandy Rodriguez on a salary dump? I think I take the latter.

  26. Bavarian Yankee says:

    speaking about salary dumps: I wonder if the White Sox make Buehrle available, he’s pitched pretty good this season. I know he’d get a player option on his contract if he’s traded but I’d do it. There are worse things than having Buehrle on your roster for 1 1/2 years but it would highly likely only cost us money and maybe some non-prospects.

    • The Fallen Phoenix says:

      There are also better things than having Buehrle on your roster for 1.5 years. Like, not having Buehrle on your roster for 1.5 years.

        • The Fallen Phoenix says:

          At Buehrle’s age and salary, I’m just not a believer. In my opinion, better to roll the dice with Garcia and Colon this season for similar production at a fraction of the cost, and splurge on someone demonstratively better next season. Or roll the dice with Garcia or Colon again next year.

    • nycsportzfan says:

      buerhle has talked about retirement and i swear i heard he wants nothing to do with a trade, that being a reason he’d retire…

  27. Fin says:

    Hmm, the baseball world out west thinks jimez is soft and no one cares in a NY website. I’d think, you east coasters would be all over that. Either way, I’m sure the Yankees are aware and have seen enough pitchers fail in NY. They have to be on someone else, Jimenez is a smoke screen. No way the yankees give up the young talent for a guy who cant reach his potential in Co.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      The “not made for NY” narrative is such bullshit. No one here knows Ubaldo personally, stop making stuff up because you can’t get over Javy Vazquez.

      • King George says:

        Mike took the words right out of my mouth.

      • Fin says:

        Your wrong on this one…when the west writers call people soft, they are soft. I could care less about javy. I thought it was a great move. Thought it would put the Yankees over the top. However, when everything you have ever heard about a guy is that he is soft, you believe it. Especially, in the west, where they are far more forgiving.

      • nycsportzfan says:

        Well said, mike! It has nothing to do with the town anyways, it has to do weather or not the guys good or not.. I guess Javy isn’t built for Florida either, right??LOL

        • Fin says:

          How bout its harder to reach your potential in NY than CO. If he hasnt reached it there what makes anyone think he can do it in NY?

          • nycsportzfan says:

            ya, i know, throwing a baseball is so diffrent in NY then in COL.. I know, in todays media, with Internet and being able to see everything from a cell phone and what not, its like being in the stix for ubaldo in COL…lol Didn’t dude just dominate the yanks in NY?? I don’t buy that whole can’t pitch in a certain town thing… Why coulden’t he pitch here exactly? Because he’d have to face the redsox? or because he’d have extra media guys interviewing him after games? I just don’t get why he coulden’t pitch here.. I think its a load of cr-ap.. 3.41 over his last 14 games, and WON 19games last yr… Oh ya, and hes 27…Do u just want to forget he was on the DL in early april with thumb injury? Could that have anything to do with his rought start? Or is it coincidence, that since hes built himself up after being hurt early on in the season, hes pitching like u would expect?

            • Fin says:

              E.R.A’s and W/L become very important when making an argument for Jimenez and very meaningless when making one against him. When he is a guy u can trust like the best pitchers in baseball, is when you give up a package for one of the best pitchers in baseball. I named the aces in the game and hes not one.

            • The Big City of Dreams says:

              Why coulden’t he pitch here exactly?


              Intense media, intense pressure, crazy expectations, etc. This is the same town that booed Jeter and Mo when they started off rough. This is the same place where fans label prospects busts after a hand full of games. NY is the place where the media and fans freak out over how bad a player performs in ST. The Yankees were two wins away from the WS and if you listened to the media it feels like they finished last.I’m not saying that UJ would definitely fail here but we can’t ignore that he could get swallowed up. A-rod one of the greatest players of all tome shrunk in big spots due to the pressure of wearing pinstripes. He did overcome it though.

              • nycsportzfan says:

                uhhhh, Minnesota has been booing Joe mauer… Whats your point? Its called struggling when your expected to do good anywhere… U play like cr0ap, your gonna get boo’d.. Thats the nature of the beast.. There is media everywhere in todays world.. guys can watch games and report on a player while being in a diffrent city as they watch the game now.. I mean, Paul O’neill came here to the mighty NY and exceled, mariano duncan had his career yr here, aaron small went 10-0, Shawn Shacon had his best half season in his career, u know, the alaska kid? If jiminez is good, he’ll pitch good, bottom line.. U people read to much into silly things.. Its baseball, the guy just dominated the yanks here not that long ago.. Its silly to think that NY is gonna swallow a guy whole, just becuase its a popular city with expectations.. I mean, what city lets u get away with playing like cr-ap?

                • The Big City of Dreams says:

                  No city let’s you play like craps and get away with it but let’s be honest playing in NY is not the same as playing in Colorado. Again I’m not saying it’s the end all be all but I’m not going to sit here and say there is no difference.

              • Fin says:

                I never said he couldnt pitch here. I never even said he wasnt a good pitcher, which he clearly is. I alluded to the fact he wont ever be an ace caliber pitcher in NY or CO for that matter. I really said he wont be as good in NY as hes been in CO. Not only was I taking into account his reported mental makeup from media reports, but the AL being a tougher devision. If hes not an ace in the NL in CO, the odds of him becoming that type of pitcher in the AL and NY are stacked against him. IF the Yankees can trade for him as a number 2 pitcher, I’m all for it, just not an ace. Hes not in that catagory.

          • Rick says:

            Uh, what is this based on? Some mysterious rumors about the always nebulous “makeup” of somebody you’ve never met?

            I can think of at least one way that it’s easier for a pitcher to reach his potential in NY than COL: Yankee Stadium is about 35% less hitter friendly by Park Factor.

            Do you have any actual facts you care to share?

      • Jesse says:

        Mike, what would you give up for Ubaldo?
        Personally, I’d only give up one of the three top guys, and probably either Montero or Betances (I love Banuelos and i think he’s a sure thing) Then i’d give them probably 3 other guys, maybe like an Adam Warren, or David Phelps and a David Adams or Brandon Laird and maybe an extra A guy and cash.

      • MannyGeee says:

        yeah, not like he’s got social anxiety disorder or something…


    • TheMick says:

      You are the only person calling him “soft”. If given the opportunity, every team in baseball would add him to their rotation.

  28. John Cerra says:

    Jimenez is .500 over the past twelve months and they want a haul? Betcha Freddie Garcia has done better.

  29. John Cerra says:

    I guess it is if you say it is.

    But I don’t see a need to bring a guy in who is .500 and face the beasts of the AL East.

    Since Freddie might be a better choice, why would you bring in another guy? We already have .500 pitchers named Hughes, Nova and almost Burnett.

    Just what we need? No, …I think that is relevant.

  30. Fin says:

    Steve (different one)

    For some reason I cant reply to you directly. However, what having sex with your mother or embracing your captors/tormentors have to do with this is beyond me…please explain your analagy.

    • steve (different one) says:

      you are asserting that he doesn’t have the psychological make-up to succeed in NY. I was making a joke, as you sound like his psychiatrist. It’s not my best work, but I thought it was kindof funny…guess not.

      • Fin says:

        lol, I see now… my bad for missing it. I’m not usually a person who goes in for that NY stuff. However, in this case from everything I hear about him, I am. He hasnt reached his potential in CO, I see no reason to believe he will do it on a far far far bigger stage in NY. I would hazzard to guess, he regresses. The media loves him as a person out west, as nice of a man as you can be, but they have 0 faith in him. Usually, where there is smoke ther is fire.

  31. bkight13 says:

    I think getting Ubaldo is a no-brainer for the Yanks. Cost controlled, near ace. The question is the compensation. I’d do Nova, Betances a non Jesus catcher and another arm of their choice.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      What is your definition of ace? He’s goos but not ace like which warrants a Montero and Betances package

      • FIPster Doofus says:

        He’s a top 20 pitcher in the league. Giving up both Montero and Betances is overkill, though. Ubaldo’s not King Felix.

  32. John Cerra says:

    Nothing in his 2011 stat line argues that he is a great pitcher on a weak team. His 2011 vs 2010 stat line says “going backwards.”

    Matt Cain has a slightly better 2011 vs 2010 stat line.

    I didn’t see he was available….so I had not even thought about him.
    There are a lot of pitchers I might want, Jimenez at a low cost, maybe. Jimenez for Montero and Bettances…pass.

  33. John Cerra says:

    Nothing in his 2011 stat line argues that he is a great pitcher on a weak team. His 2011 vs 2010 stat line says “going backwards.”

    Matt Cain has a slightly better 2011 vs 2010 stat line.

    I didn’t see he was available….so I had not even thought about him.
    There are a lot of pitchers I might want, Jimenez at a low cost, maybe. Jimenez for Montero and Betances…pass.

  34. David, Jr. says:

    I believe it will happen. Would like to see Hughes in it instead of Montero. Hughes, Betances, Romine, Nova.

  35. nycsportzfan says:

    rumour has it Kuroda will in fact accept a trade to NY or BOS

  36. Fin says:

    I cant respond to your extremely week argument Mike..I think I’m out of responces on that topic. You bring up Vazuquez are you kidding me? He was a very good pitcher before the Yankees and a very good pitcher after the Yankees. With the Yankees, awful. I beleive he was one of the best young pitchers in the game before imploding in NY. His best season finishing 3rd in the NL CY before imploding again in NY. Colon was signed to minor league deal, as a washed up guy with fat issues and you want to compare him to trading your farm for Jimenz, and if there was any faith in Colon finishing the season as good as he is now, we probably wouldnt be having the Jimenez discussion in the first place.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      I give up. Have fun believing Javier Vazquez is somehow relevant to Ubaldo Jimenez.

      • Fin says:

        You’re kidding me right? You brought his 2004 season up as a rebuttle to my argument. Do you even know what you say? If your going to bring a player up as evidence for your argument dont bail on him and make it look like I used him as an example. I just mentioned him in a long list failed Yankee “aces”.

        • The Humongous says:

          Mike’s Point


          Your Head

          Vazquez’s problem, both times, wasn’t his head, it was his arm. Shoulder trouble in the 2nd half of 2004 (he was an All Star that year, remember?) and a double velocity drop in 2010.

          Surprisingly, pitchers with arm troubles don’t pitch as well as those without.

      • NYinTX says:

        The inmates are running the asylum today.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Yeah Ubaldo’s GB% is way higher than Javy’s. Javy’s problem wasn’t his personality it was the HRs.

  37. Fin says:

    I think the bottom line is that the Rox are asking for Hallady, Felix, C.C. package for Jimenz and hes just not an ace, hes a number 2 with people hoping he will become an ace. If the Yankees get him for Montero and nova and lower level prospects, its probably a good trade as he’s certainly more of a sure thing than anyone on the Yankee staff not named C.C.. At the same time it leaves Manban and Benteces time to develope or trade them for a sure thing. Montero seems to be a DH/1st, wich the yankees have plenty of and Nova seems to be a number 4/5 pitcher which the yankees seem to have at least 232 of in the minor leagues.

    • nycsportzfan says:

      CC had a ton of So So seasons with a couple gem seasons mixed in when he was traded.. Just like Jiminez, u could just tell that CC was going into that “PRIME” run, and i beleive jiminez to be starting that as well… Jesus, Jiminez kinda is just like CC, he had a bunch of signs leading up to his breakout season, and then got off to a rough start before getting it going the yr he was traded(if ubaldo gets traded)…

    • JU says:

      U throw Montero out there as a DH/1B guy so matter of factly. The Yanks have plenty of those? Ok. How many young top end hitting prospects do they have?

      Montero’s potential bat transcends his positiOn. There is nothing wrong with him catching 3/10 games and DHing the others. He will never be a great catcher, but his deficiencies get way more print then they deserve. If he’s back there in sporadic doses it will limit his negative effects and preserve him physically.

      They played 15 yrs with one of the worst defensive catchers to ever strap on a shinguard. They can sustain with Jesus as a part time catcher/full time DH.

      • The Big City of Dreams says:

        The offense going forward is a concern. I know ppl will say it’s easy to get bats but it seems like teams are locking up their hitters the same way they are locked up their pitchers.

  38. If the Yankees can get Span for relievers, they might as well make a move, right?

  39. Jake LaMotta's Left Hook says:

    Red Sox got Aviles for Navarro and Volz, probably won’t matter, but it’s not one of Theo’s better trades.

  40. Michael Mirabella says:

    John Danks not available according to MLBTR

  41. Jack Merridew says:

    We need to get this Ubaldo deal done. With him we have a good chance in 7 game series vs the Sox, Phillies, and Giants. Without him we’ll trot AJ Burnett and Phil Hughes out there and get trounced. Insanity is sending the same failures out there every 5 days and expecting a different result.

    • The Fallen Phoenix says:

      It’s kind of like how the Yankees got trounced in 2009 trotting out AJ Burnett and old, injury-prone Andy Pettitte, right?

    • Hardy says:

      I am pretty sure that today CC, Colon and Garcia are all part of the playoff rotation.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Insanity is calling for a trade without even mentioning the cost…

      • The Fallen Phoenix says:

        But Ted, obviously Montero, Banuelos, and Betances aren’t going to be involved in a Championship run this season, so they aren’t important and can serve no value to the Yankees ever!!!!11one!11

        Ill-informed opinions are always rampant this time of year. It almost makes me wish we never heard anything regarding trade speculation at all.

    • Jorge says:

      I still want to know where you got this crystal ball. This morning you seemed to know the ALCS. Now its the World Series. What AM I going to wear tomorrow?

  42. Frank says:

    I’d love the Yanks to buy low on Gutierrez from the M’s, or Span.

  43. steve says:

    I liked that Cashman looked into Span. I’m thinking that that could be part of an attempt to bring Tyler Clippard back.

  44. Simon says:

    Who would be the better choice: Liriano? Ubaldo?

  45. IRF says:

    Montero/Nova/Bentances seems like a pretty fair price for Ubaldo IMO. Not sure why the Yanks wouldn’t do that.


  46. mbonzo says:

    Montero, Betances, Nova gets it done? That’d be a sweet deal if Cashman could get it done for less. Sanchez, Betances, Nova, Mitchell? I’d do that in a second.

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      Hughes, Warren, Montero, Betances.

      Cash needs to at least ask if that’ll do it and if it doesn’t then I’d do Jesus, Betances, Nova.

      • mbonzo says:

        Wait, you think Nova is better than Hughes + Warren? I’d take either one over Nova. Hughes is only a year older than Nova with a way more successful history higher upside, but more injury history. Warren gets way too overlooked, and I like him more than Nova.

      • V says:

        Hughes may have negative value at the moment. Iannetta is on the way out soon, and Wilin Rosario has taken a step back in 2011; might make Romine an interesting add.

        If the Yankees can somehow swing a deal without including Montero or Banuelos (highly unlikely), like Betances+Nova+Romine+Warren+Joseph, then they HAVE to do that.

  47. Chelo says:

    I think is because he is #Dominican aka Lazy, according to the writers and some yankees fans. The guy is a stud, about to reach his prime and cost controlled. Just not #Jesus in any deal plz

  48. MyNameIsNed says:

    Now if only we can get Montero switched out for someone else. But its trending the right direction.

    @SI_JonHeyman: price on ubaldo down a tad. #rockies not asking for banuelos now. betances, montero, nova would work. nyy still says no. #tradedeadline

  49. Official Member of the Bartolo Colon Fan Club says:

    is kuroda off the table now?

  50. Charles says:

    I would do that deal for Ubaldo in a heartbeat, Betances/Montero/Nova is way better than what it should be, make it happen cash!

  51. Cuso says:

    Span? Maybe he’d get spun to Colorado as part of a 3-way deal, huh?

  52. Bryan L says:

    If Montero/Betances/Nova gets this deal done, Cash needs to pull the trigger. Right now.

  53. King George says:

    Why the fuck isn’t Cashman doing this deal? I mean, we lost out on Haren because of his reluctance to include Nova and now we can lose out on Ubaldo? WTF. Maddening.

    • Jake LaMotta's Left Hook says:

      Nova was in the package to get Haren, Arizona took Saunders. The Yankees clearly had t he better package, Arizona took the less appealing one.

    • The Fallen Phoenix says:

      Has someone in the Yankees front office actually gone on-record to say that the Diamondbacks were ever prepared to accept a package headlined by Ivan Nova to bring Haren to New York?

      How do we know the Diamondbacks weren’t asking for Banuelos and Betances on top of whatever else they were supposedly asking the Yankees? Anyone know?

      The preponderance of this narrative – that Cashman missed an opportunity to get Haren for nothing – seems wildly discordant with reality, especially given the Diamondbacks received a talent in Skaggs that one could plausibly see compared favorably to Betances, Banuelos, or Brackman by Arizona’s scouts.

      The truth is, we’ll never really know if Cashman even had an opportunity to get Haren from the Diamondbacks, let alone whether he actually missed it.

    • bonestock94 says:

      Its called negotiating, relax. I can live with this package tho.

    • Right! Just like the time lost out on Cliff Lee because he didn’t want to trade Nunez!!!!1!11!eleven!


  54. Jorge says:

    Montero, choose ONE of Nova or Betances, add third prospect, and it’s a deal I’m far more comfortable making for Jimenez. Maybe it’ll get there. If not, go into the battle with the soldiers you’ve got.

    I hate that this is the one team who definitely wouldn’t see Nunez as their SS of the future.

  55. Mark says:

    Do scouts think that Betances’ ceiling is as high as Ubaldo is currently? If it’s not, then including Betances should be a no brainer.

  56. Tom Zig says:

    Glad we didn’t get Fister. He’d turn into a pumpkin in YSIII

  57. Karim Garcia says:

    Do it, Cashman.

  58. Matt from NJ says:

    The Yanks could clearly use a bat especially while A-rod is down. Montero kaki ling it in AAA yet no mention of a call up any time soon. Does anyone think we will see him have some meaningful playing time this year?

  59. Brooklyn Ed says:

    Joelsherman1: In news that will surprise no one, there will be a #Rockies scout at Stadium tonite to watch Nova #Yankees #Ubaldo

  60. Kevin G. says:

    If a Kuroda deal was going to happen, shouldn’t it have been completed by now? Since it’s less than 24 hours until that deadline and he has to waive his rights or something?

  61. The Big City of Dreams says:

    If he isn’t traded than he should be up in AUG or SEP.

  62. Igawa, Nunez and Nova to the Twin for Span. Then flip Span and Noesi to the Nats for Strasburg and Harper

  63. Urban says:

    Trying to follow the trade rumors is interesting, at times fun, but totally frustrating. Just look at these recent treats (pulled from MLBTradeRumors), which agree and disagree.

    •Kuroda has indicated to the Dodgers that he is open to deals to the Rangers, Red Sox, and Yankees, tweets ESPN’s Gordon Edes. Heyman, however, spoke to a friend of Kuroda who would be surprised if the pitcher consents to any trade.
    •The Dodgers are down to a final three of the Rangers, Yankees, and Red Sox on Kuroda, tweets Jon Heyman, though there’s still no word on whether he’d approve a trade.
    •The Yankees have taken the lead over the Red Sox for Kuroda, tweets ESPN’s Jim Bowden, and it’s 40/60 they make a deal. However, Buster Olney tweets that the Yankees and Dodgers have not spoken about Kuroda recently.

  64. Addison says:

    The 24 hour acceptance window granted to players with a no trade is not impacted by the deadline.

    If the Commissioner’s office approves the trade before the deadline (which they must do on ALL transactions), then Kuroda can still have until Monday to accept or decline, as the trade is considered official.

    If the Yankees feel they need Jimenez, fine, but I wouldn’t trade a pound of pastrami and a half dozen hard rolls for Kuroda.

    He sucks worse than any pitcher on the Yankees staff right now, why trade for a downgrade?

    Makes no effin’ sense.

  65. Jimmy McNulty says:

    I ask again, why not try a different approach with Colorado, offer a bigger package with a mix of high upside and high floor guys. Package several of those instead of one true knockout prospect.

    A package of Betances, Sanchez, Nova, Warren, CoJo or Adams, and maybe Romine would give the Rockies quite the farm makeover and a four guys who can contribute to next year’s team combined with two guys that have a chance to be something special. That was the approach that the Royals took with Greinke, no true legit top flight prospect along the lines of a Montero or Banuelos, but lots of talented players with a chance to help the team and a a lottery ticket.

    • The reason this is more appealing to you as a Yankees fan is the same exact reason it is less appealing to the Rockies.

    • nycsportzfan says:

      Thats the thing, i’d rather give up Betances, montero and nova then all those guys.. People are crazy not to realize that these rankings and what not rarely hold any weight in the longterm..

      In the 2009 Propsect Handbook, banuelos was the yanks 14th ranked prospect, Gardner 13th and Robertson 15th, with guys like Brad Suttle 10th, Bliech 11th, heredia 12th…lol

      And Zach Mcallister and was 6th overall!!! Freaking AUstin Jackson was ahead of all of them as the Yanks number 1prospect, and Andrew Brackman was there number 3 prospect.. U could find Arodys Vizcaino way down at number 18.. DJ Mitchell was number 24th..

      And that is the way it goes…Thats why i would do the montero, nova, betances deal in a heartbeat, there will be a whole new crop of yank studs in a couple yrs, and chances are there not even gonna hae the best careers outta the so called lesser prospects anyways.. I just go by the way they play, to me that is the key, and how quickly they progressed, where and if they had there hiccups, and all that…

      • “People are crazy not to realize that these rankings and what not rarely hold any weight in the longterm.”

        This is a good point. I haven’t been following Yankee prospects for a very long time, but I’ve noticed that the biggest contributors are rarely the highly tauted guys. Cano, Gardner, Robertson and Nova were never highly acclaimed. While guys like Joba, Hughes, Eric Duncan, C.J. Henry have kinda dissappointed. Even IPK, who was a first round pick, was the prospect every fan wanted to include in trades. (ie IPK + Melky for…)

        • Ted Nelson says:

          It’s a balance. Higher touted guys are *more likely* to succeed, but that doesn’t mean they all do.

          A lot of them get weeded out as they advance and face tougher competition. Since Montero is in AAA and the Bs are in AA… this is a lot less of a concern. Not to say that they don’t carry a good deal of risk, but a lot less risk than a highly touted guy who was just drafted or is playing in A-ball.

      • Urban says:

        I actually agree on one level. A team should never fall in love with its prospects to such a degree that it clouds its judgment. The Yankees had no problem moving Jackson and IPK for Granderson. It was a smart move, even if some disagreed with it because they were in love with the promise of Jackson or, more amazingly, actually noted that Granderson was already making millions of dollars a year, so that was a reason not to trade for him. His inability to hit lefties was a concern, although the Yankees believed they could fix it, and it apparently they were right.

        They did refuse to trade Hughes/Joba and Melky for Santana, but in that case they were right, as all three players have contributed to the Yankees, while Santana was injured every year since he’s been on the Mets. The Yankees made Sabathia their $20-million-plus pitcher.

        So the idea is to properly value the prospects on what they’ll provide and what you’ll get back.

        Where I disagree is on the prospect rankings. There’s little difference in the rankings of a guy who is 14th or 16th, etc. Someone like Vizcaino being ranked as hight as 18th when he was so low in the minors is a very high ranking. Banuelos being ranked 14th when he was only 18 is a very high ranking. He got even better. So back to what I said. It’s valuing them properly.

        Trade for Ubaldo, but don’t strip the farm system of all the top prospects.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          “So the idea is to properly value the prospects on what they’ll provide and what you’ll get back.”


    • Ted Nelson says:

      “That was the approach that the Royals took with Greinke, no true legit top flight prospect along the lines of a Montero or Banuelos”

      That’s patently false. Escobar was the #12 prospect before his rookie season.

      Jake Odorizzi is pretty comparable to Dellin… and those are both top prospects.

  66. Urban says:

    Trying to follow the trade rumors is interesting, at times fun, but totally frustrating. Just look at these recent treats (pulled from MLBTradeRumors), which are all over the place. Someone’s sources are dead wrong, yet someone will probably be able to claim he was correct. It’s like predicting the weather, or being an economist.

    •Kuroda has indicated to the Dodgers that he is open to deals to the Rangers, Red Sox, and Yankees, tweets ESPN’s Gordon Edes. Heyman, however, spoke to a friend of Kuroda who would be surprised if the pitcher consents to any trade.
    •The Dodgers are down to a final three of the Rangers, Yankees, and Red Sox on Kuroda, tweets Jon Heyman, though there’s still no word on whether he’d approve a trade.
    •The Yankees have taken the lead over the Red Sox for Kuroda, tweets ESPN’s Jim Bowden, and it’s 40/60 they make a deal. However, Buster Olney tweets that the Yankees and Dodgers have not spoken about Kuroda recently.

    • Urban says:


      Although one can view them as treats if that spins your wheels.

    • King George says:

      Thanks for the re-post, Urban. I get it.

      • Urban says:

        Sorry, didn’t mean to, or even know, I reposted.

        Something funky been going on when I post on RAB that’s different than the past. The posting will hang after I hit Reply, but it doesn’t appear anything is happening. I can still edit while this is going on. Once I add or change a word, it posts again!

  67. Cy Pettitte says:

    if Cash can get Span and turn him into Clippard that would be sick. lefties are hitting .181/.228/.372 against him.

  68. King George says:

    This leads me to believe its Ubaldo or bust:

    Jon Paul Morosi: Source: #Dodgers’ heaviest conversations on Kuroda today have been with #Rangers and #RedSox. #Yankees still involved, though.
    5 minutes ago from web

  69. Cy Pettitte says:

    Orioles getting Chris Davis AND Tommy Hunter for Koji?!? is it just me or does that sound insane?


    • mbonzo says:

      That sounds insane.

    • Urban says:

      That’s batshit crazy. Kudos to the Orioles if they scored those two players for a reliever and didn’t have to ship any other players.

      Davis might finally fulfill his potential if he’s not always looking over his shoulder and Hunter, really, they just threw Hunter into this deal too? There has to be something else, doesn’t there?

    • Sarah says:

      Agreed. Does Texas have more starting pitchers than they need? Has Hunter been pitching from the pen and I don’t remember it (live in Arlington, don’t follow that closely, but they are on tv every day). Makes me wonder who they plan to replace Hunter with in the rotation.

      Nervous they might steal Ubaldo from Yanks.

      • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

        This sounds like they are close to acquiring Kuroda.

        • Sarah says:

          I have heard that, and maybe Bell from Padres too, since Feliz has been not so good of late. So maybe they are sending a few prospects out to California, Davis and Hunter to Baltimore, and calling it a day?

  70. King George says:

    Source: Of all the pitchers on #RedSox’ radar — Jimenez, Kuroda, Harden, Bedard — best bet now is Kuroda. And even that’s far from done.
    19 minutes ago from web

    From Sean McAdam

  71. JM says:

    I really don’t want to lose out on Ubaldo, especially to someone who may very possibly be facing the Yankees in the playoffs.

  72. Ghostwriter says:

    I really hope Montero isn’t dealt. I know offense isn’t an issue this season, but with aging stars like Jeter and A-Rod and Tex’s well documented (here on RAB) issues, it seems like a young, well above average bat is just the infusion the Yanks are going to need for 2012 and beyond. If going after Kuroda means keeping Montero, I hope that’s the route Cash chooses. To me Montero+Betances+Banuelos+CJ Wilson/EJax is better for 2012 and beyond than Ubaldo alone.

  73. Sarah says:

    Heyman’s tweet of minutes ago:

    “ubaldo starts for the #rockies in 3 hours. hearing 2 have enhanced offers for him. #tradedeadline”

  74. Urban says:

    Anyone else find it insteresting that there are very specific names being mentioned in the media regarding a trade of Ubaldo to the Yankees (Montero plus two of Bentances, Banuelos and Nova), but I’ve yet to see Ubaldo’s name attached to other teams supposedly in the mix (Red Sox, etc.) with prospect names attached. Same with Kurado. Very specific names being mentioned when it comes to the Yankees, but nothing when it concerns other teams.


    • King George says:

      Urban, I was just thinking the same thing. It’s very suspicious. Like you said, there really aren’t too many prospect names being attached to other teams. That said, it signals to me that other teams are honing in on specific priorities or prospects from the Yankees, which in turn, could make them more appealing. Other than that, I’m with ya dude. It is a little strange.

    • bottom line says:

      Partly, because other teams use the Yankees to bid up offers. Partly, because the Yankees have a much deeper roster of prospects than, say, Boston. And patrtly because teams were conditioned for years to frisk the Yankees in trades. If nothing else, Cash,man has a done a great job lowering such expectations.

    • Addison says:

      Rumors with Cincinnati have specifically mentioned Yonder Alonso and either Homer Bailey or Edinson Volquez, so yes, prospects have been mentioned with other teams.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Middlebrooks has been mentioned from Red Sox… I don’t see how that even gets them into the conversation…

  75. BigGuy says:

    Jack Curry now reporting Rockies HAVE NOT dropped demand for Yankees. Still asking Montero, Betances and Banuelos.

  76. BigGuy says:

    Make that MOntero, Betances and Nova for Ubaldo. Heyman reports that 2 teams have “enhanced” their offers for him.

    • Jack Merridew says:

      And that deal you do in a heartbeat. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the deal Cashman agrees to. By this time tomorrow Ubaldo will be a Yankee and Nova will be a Rockie.

    • bottom line says:

      And I’d bet they’re offering nothing close to Montero plus Betances plus Nova — two Top 35 prospects in all of baseball and a legit and cheap young starter with MLB experience.

  77. I think that we’re not getting Ubaldo. If Cashman isn’t willing to give Montero/Betances/Nova, then no deal is going to get done.

  78. wow says:

    it seems like Cashman is trying to get Ubaldo for Pendleton and a major league ready bat boy. Just pull the darn trigger.

  79. Apparently the Yankees won’t include Nova, Bentances, Banuelos or Montero in a trade for Ubaldo. I find that hard to believe. It’s essentially the equivalent of pulling out of the trade talks.


  80. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    What could Cash be thinking?
    The. Rockies. Will. Only. Trade. Ubaldo. For. A. Package. That. Includes. Montero. And. Betances!

  81. FanSince1948 says:

    Looks like Kuroda to the Rangers for Hudson and…I forgot :-(

  82. KenC says:

    That’s gotta be a typo. No way they can”t include even one of them for Ubaldo -.-

  83. JM says:

    I have faith Cash knows what he’s doing with Jimenez. Just seems that saying you won’t part with ANYONE Colorado wants is obviously some sort of negotiating ploy because you’d be lucky to get someone half as good as Ubaldo for that much (semi exaggerating).

    • Urban says:

      It is negotiating. Both sides take the extreme point and hope to meet somewhere in the middle. Pretending to walk away is part of the strategy, too. In the end, it may just be that Ubaldo is the pitcher the Yankees want, and the Yankees have the prospects that Colorodo wants. They both know it, but they’re both going to pretend they don’t really care, yet they really do.

      • JM says:

        Worst part about this is that no matter what happens I’ll be sad. If they don’t get him and the Yankees don’t do much, I’ll obviously be sad the team isn’t better after all of the teasing. If the Yankees do get him I’ll be sad to see Montero go after seeing him in the minors and waiting in anticipation for his debut. I’d hate watching him hit his first HR and start his career in another uniform.

      • I understand negotiating, but wlking into a car dealership and saying “I will offer you $1,000 in exchange for this 2011 Honda Civic.” is not a starting point.

  84. King George says:

    If the Yankees are trying to minimize the deal, what’s to say someone won’t match their package or put another piece on top? Yes, the Yanks have an amazing farm system, but still…the Yankees can’t lowball the Rockies either.

    • mbonzo says:

      The Yankees obviously have the best pieces to offer the Rockies, if another team makes an offer the Rockies will approach the Yankees to see if they can beat it, theres no reason to beat out another team first. You’re bidding against yourself by trying to out due offers that don’t exist.

      • King George says:

        Wrong. The Rockies don’t have to trade Ubaldo either. Still have to impress them with an offer.

        • mbonzo says:

          If the Rockies really didn’t have to trade Jimenez, they wouldn’t be selling low now, theres obviously something they don’t like. Theres also a day and a half left until the deadline, so theres no reason to outbid yourself now.

          • King George says:

            Please show me where they’re selling low. Those reports have been refuted already today.

            • mbonzo says:

              Jimenez has a lot of questions about him this season with the lower velocity and high-ish ERA. No team is bidding on him like an Ace, and its looking like the Rockies will barely get as much as the Mariners would have for Lee last year, despite the great contract behind him. If this was last offseason, Jimenez would easily bring in 2 or 3 of the Yanks top prospects plus more.

      • Ted Nelson says:


  85. FanSince1948 says:

    …and Chris Davis

  86. mustang says:

    “The Red Sox, Reds and Indians are in on Jimenez, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports”

    I’m going to take a wait and see attitude, but if the Red Sox end up with Jimenez the Yankees might as well bring up all the kids they wouldn’t give up because this thing would be over.

  87. Jesse says:

    So Cashman would say no to a Nova straight up for Ubaldo?

  88. Luca10 says:


    Let’s do it and shut down this nonsense.

  89. Isn’t this the part where the phillies swoop in and get the player?

  90. Phife Dawg says:

    Kuroda is staying put in LA:


    Looks like it’s Ubaldo or nothing.

  91. mustang says:

    Here to Nova pitching a no- hitter to night..lol

    I still think Cash is going to pull this off with Nova, Montero, and Noesi

  92. forensic says:

    Of course they have to keep montero, banuelos, and betances. How else do you expect them to win the AAA championship for the next couple of years?

  93. Luca10 says:

    Seems like Ubaldo’s going to Cleveland for Pomeranz+Kipnis+Alex White.

    What the hell is doing Cashman?

  94. Brian S. says:

    Boston got Aviles from Kansas City. Season is over.

  95. JM says:

    The Indians possibly will make me very very sad today.

  96. Michael Mirabella says:

    Maybe Colorado is just getting back at Cashman for saying no to everyone?

  97. Well this was fun, but all signs point to the Cleveland deal being legit. Time will tell if this was a blunder or a smart no-trade. hopefully the latter.

  98. V says:

    If it’s Pomeranz+White+Kipnis, he’s on the Indians. But if Kipnis not involved, Montero+Betances still has to be a better deal, IMO.

    • Gonzo says:

      I have to imagine that Kipnis is in the deal, but it’s moot because Montero+Betances was off the table anyway.

  99. A-Rod's Wingman says:

    Yeah I’m fine with watching some permutation of Hughes/AJ/Nova three times a week.

  100. BigBlueAL says:

    According to Sherman the Yankees infuriated the Rockies by offering a trade based on Phil Hughes and others. lol at Cashman.

  101. Monteroisdinero says:

    Montero to the Bronx. That’s the deal for the next 15 years.

  102. V says:

    “Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
    #Yankees took all #Rockies wanted off table – Banuelos, Betances, Montero, Nova – and offered Hughes and others. #Rockies infuriated

    #Yankees were trying to sell their trouble RH Hughes plus for #Rockies troubled RH, but Rox don’t see Ubaldo as troubled at all”

    If this is true, Cashman is fucking insane. Nova was off the table? For realz? For fucking Ubaldo? What???

  103. ItsATarp says:

    Indians are trading their top 3 prospects for Ublado…Which is us trading Montero, Banuelos and Betance…so fine go to Cleveland Ublado. I rather keep the prospects for now.

    • Luca10 says:

      Def not: Yankees top 3 is WAAAAAAAAY BETTER than Cleveland’s top 3.
      Nova+Betances+Romine/Nunez would’ve made it.

      • ItsATarp says:

        You don’t know that. Rockies might have liked Cleveland’s prospects better. Kind of like how Seattle liked Smoak over Montero

        • Luca10 says:

          Let’s start not pulling off the table all the trade chips, includingg Ivan “Jesus effin’ Chris I can’t miss a bat to survive” Nova.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Thats insane man …

        Pomeranz is a beast who’s probably closer to the bigs than Banuelos.

  104. BigBlueAL says:

    Jimenez scratched from start tonight (which screws my fantasy team).

  105. Grit for Brains says:

    Would someone who knows the CLE propsects well do me a favor and lay out there what package beats that?

  106. Kevin D. says:

    I am so glad that our top prospects are staying put for the time being. It also is kind of funny how Cashman seemingly pissed off O’Dowd with his offer.

    • Simon says:

      As much as pissed because I know the Yankees won’t do anything this deadline, I could definitely see Cashman seeing he has no chance at a deal and just fucking with O’Dowd, with a complete straight face saying, “So uh, Phil Hughes and Ramiro Pena and we have a deal!”.

  107. wow says:

    we hardly knew ye Ubaldo. At least we have the comedy that is AJ & Hughes.

  108. Jack Merridew says:

    Cashman wouldn’t even offer Nova. The Steinbrenners should force Cashman to resign or just outright fire him. You cannot continually miss out on these starters and remain GM of the Yankees. If George were still around the deal would have been done days ago. No Nova, Betances, Banuelos, or Montero? What did you think they were going to say?

  109. ItsATarp says:

    AS much as i want an another ace and i still think Nova is overrated as hell…Ublado is not exactly the guy i would give up prospects for. (this is coming from a guy who thought the Yankees should have traded for Greinke)

  110. Steve (different one) says:

    At the very least, this puts to bed one meme: that the Yankees were dying to trade Montero.

    • mustang says:

      Then what are they doing with him exactly. I truly would like to know because it seems to me like they have no idea what to do with him.

      They won’t bring him up even if their DH sucks (did) and all their catcher are hurt. He has max out the minors.
      So someone please, no joking, tell me what the hell are the Yankees doing Jesus Montero because I for one have no clue.

      • Steve (different one) says:

        If he is up in the next week or so, they were just keeping their options open in case they were going to trade him. Maybe someone becomes available they didn’t anticipate.

        If he is not up next week, then I’m not sure.

  111. wow says:

    this mess can only mean Cashman is working on something bigger.


  112. LarryM.,Fl. says:

    Cashman has it right. Rockies being unreasonable.

  113. Steve S. says:

    Just reported on YES, done deal with Cleveland.

  114. Reggie C. says:


    UBALDO TRADED … to the Indians.

    Cashman couldnt compete with a Pomeranz-Alex White fronted package. Thats essentially on par with Montero-Banuelos. Aw fuck. I really wanted Ubaldo.

    • V says:

      It’s on par with Montero+Betances. Banuelos is the Yanks’ top prospect and better than the bunch. Surprised Indians didn’t hold out for Kipnis to be included.

      • Gonzo says:

        I can’t believe they didn’t get Kipnis. Good deal for Cleveland.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Ok. Its on par with the Montero-Betances package. Pomeranz > Betances.

        Since Pomeranz has years of college under his belt, the Rox probably view him as someone who will make the rotation out of ST next season. Pomeranz is on par with Banuelos who hasnt shut down AA hitters consistent enough to say that his ceiling is superior to Pomeranz.

  115. mike c says:

    at least boston won’t get him

  116. Brooklyn Ed says:

    John Danks, come on down?

  117. Johnny Nitro says:

    Cashman is fucking useless. I hope he doesn’t return next year.

  118. V says:

    Now gotta hope Astros eat some of Wandy’s deal.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Not sure Wandy is better than Colon … just not sure. I hope Cashman doesnt get desperate now.

      • Brooklyn Ed says:

        It was reported that Astros will eat his contract in order to move him.

        • Sarah says:

          I think the word is they are willing to eat part of his contract, but not all. It’s a pretty big contract, and since the order from the new ownership was to shed payroll, it seems unlikely they will just eat the whole contract.

      • V says:

        He doesn’t have to be better than Colon. He has to be better than Garcia/AJ/Hughes/Nova

  119. LarryM.,Fl. says:

    Who trades an allege ace with a reasonable contract. I would like to see Foyd or Danks.

  120. Johnny Nitro says:

    Fucking Montero and Betances better be the next Frank Thomas and Drew Gooden.

  121. fresco says:

    yea man danks is the guy ive wanted all along besides felix of course. good ole kenny sayin hes not available. i think if we offered hughes kenny would do it. just a gut feeling.

  122. #24!!!! says:

    This is a huge disappointment. I just don’t get what Cash is thinking right now. We can only hope he is doing something bigger and better (highly unlikely). IMO, this is like saying “Hey, well, it’s fine. There’s always next year.” Getting in the the postseason is one thing but winning is a while different story. If there isn’t any trade made then there is no way they can let Phil Hughes stay in the rotation.

    • boogie down says:

      Honest question: Would you sacrifice a guaranteed championship this year for 4 guaranteed trips to the WS (with no knowledge of how each turns out) in the next 10 years?

  123. Johnny Nitro says:

    Fucking Montero and Betances better be the next Frank Thomas and Dwight Gooden.

  124. bobtaco says:

    Drew Gooden?

  125. Phife Dawg says:

    Cleveland fans on Twitter are pretty pissed.. they pretty much gave up the equivalent of Montero, Betances, and Banuelos.

    • V says:

      Wrong x1000. Banuelos is top prospect of the bunch. Pomeranz is on par with Betances. White is < Montero.

      • Gonzo says:

        One could make the argument that Pomeranz = Banuelos because Pomeranz is closer to the bigs.

        How would you compare White to Betances? Realize that White is younger than Betances.

  126. Charles says:

    Time for Kuroda

    • Jack Merridew says:

      No, Kuroda will not waive his no trade clause. It was Ubaldo or nothing. Cashman blew it like he blew it last year and blew it in the offseason. Do something, that’s what you’re paid to do.

    • Reggie C. says:

      nope. he wont waive the NTC. good for Kuroda to be clear on that.

  127. Johnny Nitro says:

    Great the Yankees are gonna have to score like this because Hughes / AJ is as sure as shit not gonna shut anyone down.

  128. Ed says:

    Go Cash. Next step: bring up Montero!

  129. Sarah says:

    Looks like Ubaldo not done deal yet.

    Andrew Marchand (retweeting Jayson Stark): Was told emphatically Ubaldo deal not done. But could happen quickly. Here’s espn.com news story (more to come) #trades es.pn/qKBrjM

    Steve Berthiaume: I’m told Ubaldo Jimenez is still the starter for the Rockies — 34 minutes to first pitch.

  130. mustang says:

    Can someone please, no joking, tell me what the hell are the Yankees doing Jesus Montero because I for one have no clue.

    Not trading him.
    Not letting be an MLB catcher.
    Not letting him be an MLB DH.

    And he has max out the minors.

    • ItsATarp says:

      They are holding him down now due to trade deadline. Cashman say he intends to make him start game so he’s either going to be up soon or at worst be our starter next year

  131. Jack Merridew says:

    Cashman is reportedly working on a backup plan and the Yankees will sign Sidney Ponson to a minor league deal.

  132. Brian S. says:

    Any Bedard news?

  133. Gonzo says:

    Serious question guys. Which package is better. Pomeranz+White or Betances+Banuelos?

    Objectively, and you can measure by ceiling or certainty or any combination just make it clear which route you took.

    • Reggie C. says:

      the two real killer Bs > Pomeranz+White …

      However, Pomeranz might be the best pitcher in that bunch. Banuelos has got that great ceiling, but Pomeranz is somebody who projects to be a 1 or 2 as well. White … i dont really know much more than he hasnt pitched since late May. I thought he was DL’d.

  134. Bronx Byte says:

    Still go after John Danks. Offer Hughes, Brackman, and Corban Joseph.

  135. Michael Mirabella says:

    Guess col scout in NY and Yankees scout in San Diego are screwed

  136. Raul says:

    The Yankees season is pretty much over. I really hope this Ubaldo talk is just bad reporting. Apparently, according to Renck, Ubaldo is warming up in the bullpen to pitch against San Diego, which is weird.

    • Steve S. says:

      Yeah, might as well not even play the final 79 games. Bring up the kids, and see what we got for 2012. Yep.

    • Phife Dawg says:

      “The Yankees season is pretty much over.”

      No, no it is not.

    • Mattchu12 says:

      How is it over? We’re two games out of first place with a team that was without a starter who won 18 games last year and the saves leader in the American League last year, and they’ve got a bat in the minors leagues that could have just as big of an impact as any bat that is/was on the market?

      Step off the ledge.

    • The Big City of Dreams says:

      Panic much

  137. Gonzo says:

    I can’t believe we couldn’t top an offer of Ed O’Bannon and Adam Morrison.

  138. Steve S. says:

    Let me be the first.

    Ahem (clears throat)


  139. wow says:

    so according to Sherman the Yanks have been out of talks for 4 days now? Wow, and we thought we were on top of things.

  140. ItsATarp says:

    “Post has learned that #Yankees asked #Rockies 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out”

    Sounds like this is why Cashman decided to hold everyone out….I mean why wouldn’t they give a psychical is Ublado was 100% healthy. He did see a 5 mph velocity drop this year

  141. Brooklyn Ed says:

    Joelsherman1: Post has learned that #Yankees asked #Rockies 4 datys ago to do physical on Jimenez if deal agreed to, Col refused, so Yanks bowed out

    Since #Rockies wouldn’t OK physical for #Yankees, maybe won’t for #Indians also, so let’s wait to see if this is completed


    See, why blame Cashman?.

  142. Steve S. says:

    Here’s a funny scenario for you.

    We face Cleveland in the ALDS this year, and led of course by Ubaldo Jimenez they beat us in 4. Not only that, but Jimenez beats CC in Game 1.

    Just like last year with Lee, huh?

    • Rich in NJ says:

      Why focus on negatives when positives are at least equally as likely?

      • Steve S. says:

        It was just a comment on history possibly repeating itself. I didn’t blame Cash at all last year, that was on Jack Z. But this one….I hope Sherman is right about these physicals. Or that something else is going on here.

    • Karl Krawfid says:

      Here’s something even funnier.

      The Indians miss the playoffs.

    • Here’s another scenario.

      Montero kills spring training next year. He becomes the DH/Back up catcher. Hits for a triple slash of .280/.380/.520 with 25 HR and wins ROY. The yankees go on to win two of the next three World Series.

      • Steve S. says:

        The Yanks will win 2 of 3 WS based on one bat? Really? Is this a scenario, or a punch line?

        • Mattchu12 says:

          Add in Man-Ban and Betances to the rotation (with Betances a bullpen option as well) with Sabathia, Hughes, Burnett, and Nova to go with Gardner-Swisher-Cano-Rodriguez-Teixeira-Granderson-Montero-Romine-Jeter?

          Yeah, I could see two of the next three.

          • Steve S. says:

            Starting when, in 2014? In case you haven’t noticed, both Banuelos and Betances have struggled in AA this year, and are likely to repeat that level next year. Montero was shit for the first half of the season, and has only turned it on in the past few weeks. Finally, prospects aren’t the sure thing you project them to be. Many of them fail, and many more are average MLB players. Only 30% of the BA top 20 become elite MLB performers, so odds are 2-1 against your scenario panning out.

            • Mattchu12 says:

              Obviously, it’s best case scenario.

              Personally, I think Betances flames out. I’ve been begging all day for the last week that the Rockies gave us Ubaldo for Betances, Nova, and Gary Sanchez or something.

              I just wanted to point out that we could end up being really happy about it. We could end up really upset about it. We could have traded for Ubaldo and he could have been a joke. You just don’t know with pitchers, so I’m not broken up about not getting him because either way, I was going to be sad about the outcome.

              The way it’s played out, if it’s true that the Rockies won’t let Ubaldo take a physical, I’m much happier hoping for my scenario than getting him and it turning out his arm is shot.

              • Steve S. says:

                That’s all fair, but Cash has done this before. Not adding Joba in the Haren deal. Not adding Nunez to the Lee deal last year. Though he’s currently on the DL, imagine what our team could have been with a healthy Johan Santana for a few years, as opposed to what Hughes gave us. WAR says Johan was worth 14.4 wins from 08-10, Hughes just 4.0.

                In retrospect, how can anyone argue that we wouldn’t have been better off dealing away the prospects for the sure things? When you’re talking about #1 or 2 starters, those are too rare and precious to pass us for wild card prospects.

                • Mattchu12 says:

                  I wish we had Haren, though at the same time, I’m not sure that we ever really found out the whole story with that. If it was that case, I agree, we should have made that trade.

                  As for the Nunez/Lee thing, I don’t think that changed anything. I think we all know that it was that Seattle chose Smoak over Montero. So that’s hardly not fair.

                  And just by saying “with a healthy Johan Santana”, you have proven why it’s a good thing we didn’t trade for him. Hughes won 18 games last year, and I fully expect him to be at least a mid-rotation starter for the rest of this year and in the future, so I still choose Hughes, and lets be honest, it wasn’t just Hughes in that deal. I’m glad we didn’t make that deal.

                  So yeah, you want to get #1s and #2s when you can, but Hughes, Man-Ban, and Betances have that potential and Ubaldo wasn’t even allowed to take a physical. I’m glad we didn’t make the deal now that we’ve heard that.

                  • Steve S. says:

                    Again, Hughes has been worth 4.0 WAR from 08-11. Check that, a net 3.0 WAR after a -1.0 WAR showing this year. Johan was worth 14.4 WAR despite missing this entire season. How can anyone argue in retrospect holding on to Hughes was the right move?

                    • Mike Axisa says:

                      You can’t be serious. If they get Johan, there’s no CC. It was the right move (in hindsight) if Hughes never throws another pitch.

                    • Steve S. says:

                      You’re lost. They had 40+ mil coming off the books after 09. They also lowered payroll a bit from 08-09 despite the big spending spree. So keeping payroll the same, you could have afforded both. You would have had to choose between CC or Tex, but you could have afforded Johan and CC if they chose to.

                      But that’s not the point anyway. Johan>Hughes and its not arguable.

                    • Steve S. says:

                      Typo-40 mil after 08, not 09

                    • Mike Axisa says:

                      You would have had to choose between CC or Tex, but you could have afforded Johan and CC if they chose to.

                      So what part of a CC/Tex for Johan swap makes it sound like a smart move?

                      No one’s arguing Hughes > Johan, but Hughes >>>>>>>>> broken down Johan and his nine-figure contract. It’s not a vacuum.

                    • Steve H says:

                      So still, CC+Tex(+Hughes)>>>>>>>>>>CC+Johan or Johan+Tex.

                    • Steve S. says:

                      No, it’s not a vacuum. If we don’t sign Tex, maybe we were the ones who landed A-Gon instead of Boston. Maybe we stop the charade with Montero and he’s our 1B right now. Maybe Swish or Posada play 1B in 09/10 and we get a RF. Its never a vacuum, but the teams that pour their money into pitching, like the Phillies, tend to be better off in the long run.

                    • Steve H says:

                      The Phillies poured $125 million into an extension for Ryan Howard that hasn’t even started yet. They spend everywhere, not just on pitching.

                      Plus, the big difference in Yankees vs. Phillies pitching dollars is Cliff Lee. The Yankees offered Lee a shit-ton of money. So if Lee chooses the Yankees over the Phillies, now it’s the Yankees who pour their money into starters, no?

                    • Steve S. says:

                      Woah, lets walk through my scenario. Cashman is full of shit.


                      08 payroll 209 mil (w/o Johan)
                      09 payroll 201 mil (w/o Johan)

                      Trade for Johan for 08 season (earned 19 mil that year). Obviously, that affects the 08 payroll, but we know they were willing to figure that out when they went hard after Johan.

                      They had 70 mil coming off the books in 08 (Giambi, Moose, etc).

                      2009-Signed CC (23 mil)
                      Signed Tex-(20 mil)
                      Signed Burnett (16.5 mil)

                      Payroll went down 8 mil in 2009 despite the spending spree, so if you don’t sign AJ and you have Johan Santana (20 mil) the payroll only goes up by 3.5 mil, which is still 4.5 below the 08 figure (w/o Johan).

                      Long story short, if you trade for Johan, you can still sign CC and still sign Tex, you just don’t sign Bunnett. So the stuff about “not affording CC and Johan” is complete bullshit by Cashman. He just didn’t want to give up Hughes, which we all knew.

                    • Mike Axisa says:

                      That’s great, if it was a 1-for-1 deal. How do you replace the other pieces that would have went to Minnesota? Melky was rumored to be involved, that’s another outfielder you have to find. Ian Kennedy was rumored to be involved as well, so then he’s not around to trade for an MVP caliber CF.

                      Not trading for Johan was the best thing the Yankees have done in a decade, regardless of how bad Hughes is last year.

  143. Jonathan says:

    Listen, I’m usually a Cashman defender….and in this instance I dunno wtf he was thinking with the Hughes plus garbage offer but I wouldn’t have given up Montero/ManBan/Dellin etc.

    The REAL problem is when you take a look at the list of pitchers traded recently. I know some were from the Blue Jays and we would have had to overpay (I would have for Halladay if possible), and the Seattle deal was not cool but if you are TERRIBLE at developing front of the rotation starters you can’t watch this list just go to other teams and stick your thumb up your ass waiting for another CC Sabathia to hit the market.

    Cliff Lee TWICE/Oswalt/Halladay/Ubaldo/Haren/Marcum/Greinke missing anyone?

    Bottom line: You can’t fucking blow at developing top of the rotation starters and pass and whiff on that many aces and expect to win in the playoffs with CC plus 4 unreliable (in the post season) righties. At least there’s this giant stud lefty FA this offseason with great command with mid 90′s ched and a nasty slider/change piece….We didn’t need all of them….just one of them.

    I think I’ll just shut my eyes and dream of a CC/Lee/Greinke/Hughes(healthy and taking the next step forward in his development instead of trying to win a backpedaling race with Brackman)/Pettitte rotation.

    I think the thing that hurts the most was our entire hopes rested upon some ace, that no one could see coming available, magically appearing midseason and then STILL not sealing the deal. Cashman better fucking have Montero DHing vs LHP and as the backup C in about 15 minutes. I’d be so much more excited about keeping Nova/Manban/Betances if I had ANY faith in us developing them.

  144. JM says:

    I guess now we wait until tomorrow…

  145. Cuso says:

    Hey, if that little nugget about not allowing a physical is true, that’s pretty frickin significant.

    IF TRUE, Caveat Emptor. I wouldn’t blame Cash one bit.

  146. JohnnyC says:

    keithlaw (Twitter)

    “We want 2 significant prospects for our pitcher who has suddenly lost 3 mph off his fastball, and you can’t do a physical.” “It’s a deal!”

  147. Steve S. says:

    “I heard Jimenez wasn’t available. Maybe King Felix will become available now..”

    Somebody tell O’Niell to shut the fuck up. He’s just lost.

  148. Michael Mirabella says:

    Jimeniz still set to pitch

  149. Angel says:

    This Sucks

  150. Januz says:

    One thing that is very interesting in all of this is that the probability of Cashman coming back has increased. Why? If he thought he was leaving, he would not care if he raped the farm system so that they could win this year. By the way, help is coming for the Yankees, and it will cost nothing (Such as ruining the farm system). The name? Alex Rodriguez.

  151. Steve S. says:


    Jimenez is out there pitching, for whatever that’s worth.

  152. Brian says:

    Bottom line – if the stuff about the physical is true, Cash and the brass made the right move.

  153. JohnnyC says:

    Jack Curry is reporting that Ubaldo’s not throwing hard and Rockies have someone warming in the pen. ???

  154. John says:

    WOW. This Ubaldo stuff is absurd. Who would ever do a blockbuster deal for a pitcher and not require some sort of physical??

  155. Jesse says:

    Rumor is the Red Sox may get him. Middlebrooks Ranauado, and Anderson
    Nothing is official though obviously since he’s still pitching

  156. King George says:

    Maybe they just told Ubaldo to take it easy as a precautionary measure…which then begs the question, why go out there if that was the case?

    • Jamey says:

      or did they decide to send him out there amidst reports of a done deal to try to entice a panicked Cashman/Epstein into caving?

  157. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Ubaldo gave up 4 to the pads…

  158. Ghostwriter says:

    Still gladly looking forward to seeing Montero at the Stadium. Too many question marks with Ubaldo for the price that was being asked.

  159. Official Member of the Bartolo Colon Fan Club says:

    So i’m looking for a possible #2 starter for the Yanks to acquire tomorrow, ninja style. I eliminated all “contenders” (teams within 8 games of a playoff spot) and just looked for good pitchers on bad teams. Here’s what I’ve got.

    Gio Gonzalez, Trevor Cahill, Bruce Chen (Draft pick, haha), King Felix, Anibal Sanchez, Jordan Zimmermann, Ryan Dempster, Matt Garza, Clayton Kershaw.

    Kershaw and Felix are off the table for obvious reasons, and Bruce Chen was a joke, so that leaves us with Gio, Cahill, Sanchez, Zimmermann, Dempster, and Garza. Dempster is having an awful year, and I just don’t think Cahill is very good.

    So that leaves us with Gio, Sanchez, Zimmermann, and Garza. These seem like good trade options to me. Thoughts, anyone?

  160. Dino Velvet says:

    Ubaldo shit the bed. Walked 4 and gave up 4 runs in the first to the padres.

  161. CMP says:

    It’s pretty sad how much Hughes stock has dropped with the Rockies reportedly wanting Nova, a 4th starter type, rather than Hughes who was projected to be a number 2 not that long ago. .

    • They wanted Nova and Montero and Betances instead of Hughes+

    • Steve (different one) says:

      Part of it is simple economics. Hughes will probably make about $9-10M the next 2 seasons and then he is a FA.

      But yeah.

    • Jamey says:

      Nova’s still a prospect, Hughes is a major leaguer. Hughes trade value is still going to be based partially on his performance & the promise he has showed but not being a prospect (despite his age) means the majority of his trade value will be based on how he’s pitching lately. Lately he hasn’t pitched well. Colorado was in a similar position, just the fall off with Ubaldo wasn’t nearly as dramatic as Hughes & even with something I’d say CLEARLY wrong with him physically he has better “stuff” than Hughes. I say clearly because if there wasn’t something wrong Rockies would have had no qualms about Ubaldo taking a physical if they were getting the prospects they were asking for.

    • Frank Thomas says:

      Ugghhhh. Hughes is a fat burnout. So fat. So hungover.

  162. Grit for Brains says:

    How does Cleveland make this trade w/o being allowed a physical??? I just don’t get that

    • Simon says:

      I’m convinced there is definitely something wrong, as mush as we Yankee fans bash Cash, he made the right choice. Wow the Rox may have pulled a fast one on the Tribe, Ubaldo might actually be hurt, not performing a physical is really stupid.

    • BK2ATL says:

      The deal isn’t done yet. Stay tuned. Got a feeling this story isn’t over yet.

  163. Brian says:

    Cross most of them off. With Ubaldo & Kuroda off the board, the Yanks have zero leverage in any deal. Look for a move for a lefty reliever and hopefully a Montero call up.

    • Brad says:

      the Yanks have zero leverage in any deal

      Huh? Zero leverage?

      • Brian says:

        “Zero leverage” meaning that there is little to no impact SP left on the market. Since Lee signed with Philly this winter, the plan has been to sit tight until the deadline and try to get an impact pitcher.

        The Yanks generally succeed at the deadline through salary dumps. I don’t see any salary dumps for good pitchers out there, so the only way to get one is by unloading prospects – good ones. If teams don’t have a need to unload their SPs, they will ask for the world and walk away if they don’t get it. Hence – no leverage.

    • Pasqua says:

      There just might not be any deals. Period. This has got nothing to do with leverage. GM’s are smart enough to know that Cashman is smart. He’ll make prudent trades, not desperate ones.

  164. Hall and Nokes says:

    Someday we’ll all have a laugh over this Ubaldo story.

  165. Grit for Brains says:

    Nova is making Cashman look like a very smart man right now.

  166. BK2ATL says:

    I had to jump in on this. I’m truly glad Cashman is running this team and making SOUND decisions.

    The real question around baseball is “why is Colorado making Jimenez available if they believe him to be a young ace under a great contract?”

    I think Cashman pulled their card and some of you still haven’t caught on. There’s gotta be health concerns. Cashman wanted a physical, IF he was going to part with top prospects. They refused. Cashman did the right thing and walked away. Walks like a duck, sounds like a duck…..

    Oh yeah, Ivan Nova so far has allowed 1 run over 5 innings, escaped a rough 1st, which could be explained due to rust, as he just got back from a minor injury. Ubaldo Jiminez, 4 runs allowed in the 1st vs. the mighty potent Padres……

    • Grit for Brains says:

      Well said. Not allowing a physical while asking for an org’s top prospects is beyond shady imho

    • Pasqua says:

      I’m with you on your comments, except for citing the results of tonight’s games as evidence that this is a great non-move. By that logic, as soon as Nova has a bad outing, and Ubaldo a good one, it becomes a terrible non-move. Obviously, you can’t look at it like that.

      • BK2ATL says:

        Wasn’t implying that. However, something must be said for performing under pressure.

        Both KNEW that eyes were on them tonight. Nova came out rocky, but settled down and gave us a quality start, even if just against the Orioles. They are still led by Buck Showalter, in the AL East, and have some decent firepower in the lineup.

        Ubaldo? I didn’t see the game, but for the Padres to put up 4 runs in a game??? Seriously, the Padres? Then of course, they yanked him.

        Either way, I support how Cashman played it. Colorado got someone to bite, sight unseen. Glad it wasn’t us.

        Maybe he can swing Wandy for the rest of the season. Maybe he can see what Gio would cost.

        I agree that it’s time to bring up Montero, but where to and who goes? Posada or Cervelli? Something’s got to give.

        • Pasqua says:

          Again, I’m with you on your overall sentiment, but the “performing under pressure” argument can’t be made based on one game (a game that isn’t really even a “pressure” game, seeing as Ubaldo was getting traded regardless, not auditioning for a new job). But, in the end, both of us are Cashman supporters here, which is all that matters.

  167. Grit for Brains says:

    Really, really liking the Uehara haul for Baltimore

  168. Hall and Nokes says:

    Ubaldo has been pulled. This is certainly weird.

  169. Brian says:

    Looks like the Red Sox are about to put Rich Harden on the DL….

  170. Kevin G. says:

    Looks like the Sox are getting Dick Hardon Rich Harden.

  171. bobtaco says:

    Boston possibly getting Rich Harden. Everyone to the ledges!!!111!!

  172. JohnnyC says:

    Word on Bucholz must be bad if Red Sox are going to deal for Rich Harden…another injury-prone pitcher. Also, trade with Billy Beane at your own risk.

  173. Gonzo says:

    What does everyone think is wrong with Ubaldo?

    Pure guess, I think he might have a partially torn UCL, but not a serious tear. The kind you can pitch with for years.

  174. nycsportzfan says:

    U people are prisnoers of the moment to much… I hope you all feel this way when Colon and Garcia are pitching in the postseason.. They are the opitomy of REG SEASON pitchers.. THere is no way there doing anything against BOS, in fact if COLON was facing BOS today, he’d of gave up like 8ers…. But at least, our 200mill dollar team will have made the postseason again..lol This team should make the playoffs its what we do in the playoffs that will define this team, and i woulden’t trust this team to consistently “HIT” enough in the postseason against POSTSEASON STAFFS or Pitch well enough outside of CC, god forbid CC loses a start in the postseason, that will probably end what ever round were in right there…

    All we’ll have going for us is the old Cliche “anything can happen, once in the postseason”, because this teams gonna be heavy underdog compared to teams like Bos and Philly

    • ItsATarp says:

      Because giving up the farm for Ublado solves every single problem

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      Translation: DOOOOOOMED.

    • Rich in NJ says:

      “U people are prisnoers of the moment to much… ”

      You’re advocating what could likely be a short-sighted trade as evidenced by the fact that Colorado wouldn’t permit a physical of Jimnenez and we’re prisoners of the moment?

      You can’t make this stuff up.

    • bobtaco says:

      So would you rather give up the farm on an available SP who marginally increases the Yankees chances this year, and decimates them for years into the future. It may not be the Yankees’ year this year, either way. There is no shame in that. It’s OK.

    • nsalem says:

      Both Garcia and Colon have decent playoff resumes. What is it about them that makes them not opitomies of good playoff pitchers. What make you believe Ubaldo is an opitomy of good playoff pitcher. How do you think the Yankee offense would do against Boston starters like Miller, Lackey or Wakefield/ Are they the opitomies of good playoff ptchers.

  175. Jesse says:

    I’m going to make a BOLD prediction. The yankees won’t trade for a starter, because the guys who are left, aren’t better than what the Yankees have already. Unless if you can get Garza on the cheap, nothing will happen. And besides, I dont think Garza is available for that matter.

    • Brian says:

      At this point, they can’t get a starter without grossly overpaying. Looks like it’s CJ Wilson or Darvish this winter…

      • Jesse says:

        i bet CJ stays in Texas. And i wont overpay for Darvish like the Sawx did with DiceK. Man, you should read some 2007 scouting reports on him. Baseball America was dead wrong with him. I hope the yankees don’t fall into that same trap.

        • Brian says:

          Neither one is ideal, but there’s not much out there. Assuming that Colon and Garcia get through the season, do you expect them to be back?

          CC, AJ, Hughes, Nova, ?

          I can’t see Cash trading any real talent away for a knockout pitcher. He seems intent on holding onto his chips for an ace or for the future. The only real way to fill the holes will be on the FA market.

  176. ItsATarp says:

    Cleveland giving up 4 players for Ublado…Why MoneyDude not do DEAL!>>!>!>!<!

  177. Custer Olney says:

    Heard this: Cashman called Texas about Andy Pettitte. Only to be promptly told by the veteran lefty’s church softball team that he is not available. Even sporting at 7-7 record, the church softball team fully expects to make a push down the stretch for a post-season berth.

  178. Sarah says:

    Is it really possible that Cashman is doing nothing?

    • Pasqua says:

      Like, actually doing nothing? No. Like, not making a trade? Sure, I guess.

    • bobtaco says:

      Yes. If it means not making a poor deal just to make a deal, that is a very real possibility.

    • King George says:

      Hope that isn’t the case…

      • bobtaco says:

        So you’d rather the Yankees make a bad trade, just cause. Glad you aren’t running the team.

        • King George says:

          Who said anything about making a BAD trade? You’re a jackass. Don’t imply things that are false.

        • King George says:

          Do they need a lefty specialist? Yes. Do they need a bench player? Maybe. Bobtaco, never seen you on the boards, but dude you’re a real clown.

    • ROBTEN says:

      Sometimes nothing > something

      Making a deal just to make a deal is a bad move. If the reports about the physical are true, how can you fault the Yankees for not making that deal? Jimenez would’ve been nice, but we can’t suddenly assume that he guarantees anyone a world series. Remember, when Philadelphia traded for Lee and won the WS that year…oh wait.

      If the reports about the physical are true, then I’m more than happy to see a level-headed Yankee management in place than to have had them make what is an unnecessarily risky trade (i.e. without a physical) just to “make something happen.”

    • BK2ATL says:

      What’s there to do?

      I mean, Soriano’s coming back. Possibly Feliciano too, enough though…. Chavez is back. A-Rod is on the way. Nova’s looking decent again. Montero is a phone call away.

      Colon and Garcia are severely under-credited around here. They have both performed better than a Kiroda or Jiminez or Danks. They haven’t been exactly dogfood.

      CC, Colon and Garcia are experienced pitchers who have more than proven their mettle this year. AJ is “here,” and that’s the last I’ll say about that. I’d be okay with going into the postseason with this team as is.

      If Hughes is damaged or continues to struggle, DL him and bring up Warren or someone else. Even get Noesi stretched out.

      We can do this in-house.

  179. JohnnyC says:

    Looks like Lars Anderson is going to the A’s for Harden. Shame that Fenway fans will not have Anderson’s Hall of Fame career in Red Sox uniform to follow.

  180. CMP says:

    When the Yanks whiffed on Cliff Lee and many were on the ledge, they were mocked by the more enlightened Yankee fans that a good starter is always available at the trade deadline and not to panic.

    I’m not saying Yankee fans should start heading to the ledge even though this team is still short at least one number 2/3 starter for the playoffs but it sure doesn’t look like that starter is coming anytime soon.

    • Pasqua says:

      The circumstances this year are different. Cliff Lee was a premiere, game-changing trade because he’s a premiere, game-changing talent. Also, the Yanks (by all accounts) had him. He was ours. Then, Seattle got cute and took a “better” deal. In this case, Ubaldo is a great talent with more question marks than Lee. Also, he was never ours. In fact, it doesn’t look like it was ever really that close. So, there should be no ledge-jumping, regardless of whether a trade is on the horizon or not.

  181. Grit for Brains says:

    Erik Bedard; make it happen Cash – a solid #2 in a playoff series and a lefty for those chowderheads.

  182. Cuso says:

    Rich Harden….*giggle*

  183. Steve S. says:

    Harden to the Red Sox for a washed up Lars Anderson. The hits just keep on coming.

  184. BK2ATL says:

    Nice outing by Nova tonight. Needs to be said.

    • bottom line says:

      Nova has pitched quite well all year. Ridiculous that he would be a “throw in” in a deal that includes two of the best prospects in the game. I’m gonna light up a cigar and celebrate that we still have Jesus, Betances and Nova.

      • BK2ATL says:

        The kid now has 9 wins and an ERA of 4. In this game, it was a quality start. Yet completely lost on some Yankees fans.

        Not saying he’s the second coming of anyone, but certainly much better than most 4th or 5th starters around MLB.

        If Hughes doesn’t regain form or needs further medical evaluation, let’s keep this kid pitching. We KNOW that he can now pitch in NY and appears to be progressing.

  185. Mikeymikeeee says:

    Montero,Hughes,Betances and Nova for Kershaw!!! WHy not?!?!?!?!?

  186. mike says:

    disappointed only cost them Anderson for harden – anderson’s stock has fallen and he has absolutely no spot on the ML roster for the Sox.

    seems the Yanks could have given up Laird + Noesi/Warren/Phelps and gotten Harden as well

    • Cuso says:

      You could step on a potato chip and it would be less likely to crack than Harden.

    • CP says:

      Harden has a 4.62 FIP this year after putting up a 6.31 FIP last year. He’d probably be an upgrade over Hughes and AJ, but that’s it.

      Why bother?

  187. Frank Thomas says:

    The best part of the Jimenez non-trade is Cashman’s reluctance to trade the farm. To me this is a hint that he isn’t done in the Bronx just yet.

  188. Jack Merridew says:

    So Cashman sits on his hands again while the Sox swing a trade for a starter. We could have had Haren, could have had Lee, could have had Ubaldo. And to make matters worse, Nova pitched well today and will be sent down to AAA so that two worse pitchers can remain in the rotation. Ridiculous.

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      Harden will end up on the DL soon.

      It wasn’t Cash’s fault Lee wanted to go to Philly

      The Rox don’t let the Yankees get a physical for Ubaldo = red flag.

      • Sarah says:

        Again, we don’t know this for sure. It’s possible that the conversation was “If we have a deal, we want a physical,” and the Rox response was “If your idea of a deal is Hughes, there’s no physical.” That could easily turn into “We asked for a physical and they said no” when passed from person to person in the rumor mill.

        Now if Cleveland agreed to a deal with no physical, they are nuts.

    • Jake LaMotta's Left Hook says:

      Harden isn’t all that good. I’d rather sit and wait for the right piece, than trade for Harden.

    • Monteroisdinero says:

      Nova won’t be in AAA long if Hughes continues to have sub par stuff.

    • Custer Olney says:

      Would Harden really have been better for us? He’s not the answer we are looking for. Boston already has true #1 and #2 starters in Lester and Beckett. Harden is more of a middle of the pack guy for them until Bucholtz comes back/ Lackey starts throwing better.

      We have an ace and who knows from there. As much as it sucks that we will more than likely not get anyone, we are stuck with it.

    • ItsATarp says:

      blah blah…quit panicking. Harden is an injury waiting to happen. Lee was on seattle then Lee himself decided to go to philly. Ubaldo cost a shit ton from Cleveland, their two top prospects + more, which is a high price to pay for a guy who isn;t getting a physical and lost 3 mph. Nova will be up again after this performance. Get off the ledge.

      • Jack Merridew says:

        And who will Nova replace? Everybody wants to say that Ubaldo is hurt, he’s not very good because he lost 3mph on his fastball. Who else do we know that lost velocity but is still highly touted? And nobody wants to admit that our guy is hurt or just isn’t very good.

        • ItsATarp says:

          Phil Hughes sucks…i’m pretty sure plenty of people here have said it. We should take him out and put in nova.

          • Jack Merridew says:

            I agree, but not many here will admit it. Another common argument against Ubaldo now that we can’t get him is well he has regressed since the 1st half of 2010 so he just isn’t as good as one half of baseball would indicate. Who else do we know that has regressed since the 1st half of 2010?

        • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

          Hughes isn’t highly touted anymore

          • Coolerking101 says:

            Pretty sure that’s what they said about Hamels in 09. Remind me again how that turned out for Philly?

            • ItsATarp says:

              Hamels in 2009 had great Peripherals despite a shitty ERA. his strike out rates, walk rates, velocity and ground balls rates did not change at all between 2008 when he was an ace to 2009 when he was Mediocre. Which said he was due to rebound in 2010 which he did and even got better. Hughes on the other hand has had declining Peripherals since the second half of 2010. it’s no comparison.

    • JM says:

      ZOMG We could’ve had CC-LEE-UBALDO-HAREN-NOVA! Curse you Cashman! Go ruin the Reds or something!

    • gc says:

      No, your incessant posting of the same thing over and over is what’s ridiculous. How many times are you going to ignore it when people tell you that the Mariners wanted Smoak instead of Montero AND that Lee wanted to go to Philly all along?? And if you’re telling us that you would actually go ahead with trade three of your best prospects for a pitcher who has lost velocity without the other team letting you perform a physical on said pitcher, then I thank GOD you’re not the GM of the New York Yankees.

    • Jorge says:

      You could have posted on a blog, like LoHud, on which your opinions would have appreciated, but you didn’t. You’ve been at this all day, and you’re no close to making any sense whatsoever.

  189. Simon says:

    I think people need to move on from this already. Cashman ultimately made the right choice in not going after Ubaldo because of some red-flags and the price. What’s done is done, the past is over, its time to move on. We have a great player incoming to the Bronx and his name is Jesus Montero and he should provide some help (not that we need it but we could use some). Also, we have 2 great pitchers in the farm that, although are not proven, have huge potential to be very good pitchers. We may bash Cashman for not making certain moves but sometimes its not in his hands ala Lee, Haren and there’s nothing we can do about that, as fans we just have to live with that.

    There is still one day left for the trade deadline and who knows, maybe Cashman does make a trade tomorrow (but for the right price).

  190. Cuso says:

    I’m glad Cash held his ground. In 2013, he’ll be viewed as a genius.

    (and no, that doesn’t mean i view ’11 & ’12 as throwing in the towel)

    But i do think this means Montero gets called up during the upcoming road trip.

  191. mbonzo says:

    I don’t understand why people think we need anything more than we have.
    -3rd best record in baseball
    -1st or 2nd best offense
    -1st starting pitcher ERA in the AL East
    -1st in reliever ERA in the AL

    Plus they have plenty of players coming back form the DL that get to prove themselves in the second half. (Hughes, Arod, Soriano, Chavez) They also probably have the best farm system of all the teams contending this year, or at least pretty close to the Braves.

    If nothing happens, I’ll be happy Cashman didn’t do anything stupid. If they desperately need someone in August, something can still happen, but they have plenty of troops in AAA and AA that they could find a very good kid when the rosters expand.

    For all we know, Nova could pitch better than Jimenez or Kuroda for the rest of the year. No trade is gonna give us a lock to the postseason, and even the best of teams lose there because of the short series.

    • Jack Merridew says:

      The arguments generally start with Colon and Garcia. Both could break down and then we’re left with AJ pitching a game 2. Nobody has any issues with the lineup, CC, or the back end of the pen. It just would have been nice to have another good starter.

      • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

        Nothing says they won’t get another starter.

      • mbonzo says:

        The only pitcher I have faith in is CC and even he could breakdown. People are freaking out that we’re missing out on the best available starting pitcher because last year it came back and bit us in the ass. Yankees are in a different position, with 5 above average starting pitchers plus Hughes (Who should have been the #2 guy before his injury-thingy). If 2 of the 6 breakdown, that means we have 4 guys which is what we need in the postseason. Yankees AAA pitchers are also incredible.

    • CMP says:

      The Yankees need another front end starter behind CC for the postseason which has always been dominated by starting pitching. Last year they didn’t have enough and that’s when they had Pettitte.

      It’s highly debatable Colon is gonna have anything left come October and there’s no one else on the roster worthy of being more than a 4th starter in a playoff series.

      • mbonzo says:

        Rangers did pretty well last year. Even if the Yankees got another ace it doesn’t guarantee anything, look at the Phillies last year. Those series are just luck of the draw.

        • CMP says:

          Yeah the Rangers did well last year with a front 3 of Lee, Wilson and Colby Lewis who all pitched very well in the playoffs. Other than CC and maybe by the grace of god, Colon, that still leaves the Yankees at least short one good starter.

  192. Michael Mirabella says:

    Looking at 2013 free agent list (players available after next season) and I see a bunch of great pitchers. Cain, Carmona, Danks, Greinke, Hamels, Haren, Liriano, Shields, and Weaver. We’ve got to expect some of those guys to not be re-signed right? This helps ease the pain, and if we can keep our prospects and get 2 of these guy, it would be great.

    • Grit for Brains says:

      …and when that FA class is on the market, AJ will have just one year left on his deal

    • CMP says:

      That seems to be the best way for the Yankees to acquire a front end starter. Cashman has been completely unable to trade for a quality starter. I can’t recall anyone really good since Clemens.

  193. MannyGeee says:

    repeated for emphasis:
    The Yankees bowed out of talks for Ubaldo four days ago after Colorado refused to let them perform a physical on the right-hander if they agreed to a trade.

    so yeah, I predict Cash will look like a genius in 2013 just like he did when he did NOT trade for Johan Santana’s Bubble Yum arm….

    • CMP says:

      The centerpiece of the Santana trade would have been Hughes. Holding on to him so far hasn’t made anyone look like a genius.

      • bolo yeung says:

        Not trading and giving Santana that huge extension is making him look like a genius.

        • CMP says:

          Instead they held on to Hughes and they spent the money they would have used on Santana to sign Burnett. Both scenarios are losers.

          • bolo yeung says:

            Except instead of having to spend $137.5 million and having a guy make $24m and $25.5m in ’12 and ’13, respectively, they have a guy making $16.5 for those years with a total of “only” $82.5m total.

            They won the WS in ’09, so they couldn’t do “better” than that. Would they have won the WS with Johan on the DL in ’10?

            • CMP says:

              I’ll bet Santana will come closer to earning his salary in 2012 and 2013 than Burnett will. He was worth 11 WAR in his first 3 years with the Mets compared to 5.7 for AJ.

              • bolo yeung says:

                Well, would you trade Johan for Santana straight up for the ’12 and ’13 seasons. I wouldn’t. Even if the money was even, I wouldn’t. Just my two cents.

                To me, and you don’t have to agree:

                Burnett + Hughes + $ flexibility > Johan Santana

                Who knows what that money would have stopped the Yankees from doing.

                • CMP says:

                  If the money was even, I’d trade Burnett for Santana straight up tomorrow.

                  Considering the difference in salaries probably not though I do think Santana has a much better chance of becoming a 3-3.5 WAR pitcher over the next 2 years than AJ ( who I think has a 0.0% chance of ever pitching at that level again)

            • bolo yeung says:

              I forgot about Johan’s $5.5 million buyout for the ’14 season on top of that.

      • bottom line says:

        We ewould not have won pennant or gotten to Series in 2009 without Hughes. Totally transformed the pen.

        • CMP says:

          He definitely helped them make the playoffs but he was a total disaster in the 2009 postseason.

          6.1 Innings, 11 hits, 4 walks , 6 ERs and an 8.53 ERA.

  194. Risto says:

    Looks like we’re pretty much bagging this season. Oh well.

    • Death By BB Gun says:

      What makes you say that?

    • ItsATarp says:

      because we didn’t trade for a pitcher who can’t take a physical and would cost 3-4 prospects including our two best? Yeah we’re screwed.

      • Risto says:

        Trading for Ubaldo, if the Rockies were truly unwilling to let him take a physical, would have been a bad move. But the fact is, going into the deadline, the only realistic shot at winning anything this year was to acquire at very least a solid starting pitcher. Doesn’t look like that’s going to happen, so really, as a fan, I guess I’m going to look ahead to 2013 and beyond, and hope that one of Cash’s arms actually pans out.

    • Zanath says:

      1). The trade deadline is tomorrow. Just because we haven’t heard of something, doesn’t mean a trade won’t happen.

      2). Even if we don’t make a trade, we have a very good chance to make the postseason. Maybe we won’t win the world series, but it’s not like the season is over.

  195. mbonzo says:

    Jimenez deal is still pending a physical. Results will be interesting


    • Pat D says:

      You’ve gotta fucking be kidding me!

      At the same time, he could have something wrong that doesn’t show up for some time, too.

  196. Sarah says:

    Giants beat reporter says they are announcing a trade tonight. Montero for Bumgarner!

    /deals that will never happen

  197. wow says:

    honestly, if Cashman bowed out 4 days ago, what does that say about who he could be trying to get? Maybe this isn’t over…

  198. Jonathan says:

    So the deal is pending a physical…..what is the difference between this and what the Yankees asked for? If he has to go through a physical to complete the trade then why even say no we can’t and raise the already heightened suspensions.

    • Sarah says:

      My guess, and this is only a guess, is the Yanks asked for a physical before there was a deal agreed to, and the Rox said not until we have a deal. That’s a reasonable term.

      • Steve (different one) says:

        Maybe, but that’s not what was reported. Who knows at this point? What a wierd night.

        • Sarah says:

          So strange, the entire thing. Did Cashman really offer Hughes? It really sounds like the Yanks weren’t serious about getting Ubaldo…

      • Jonathan says:

        That would make sense but the Yankees just asked that if they had agreed to a trade in principle if they could get a physical on him. When they realized they couldn’t get a physical they didn’t bother trying to match up top prospects.

  199. BK2ATL says:

    I’m glad we have a real GM representing Yankees’ interest AND performing due diligence before pulling the trigger.

    Last year, he was prepared to trade for Lee, but hadn’t secured an extension for Lee, if he was prepared to trade away our best prospects for this ace. Not including Nunez is relevant, since Smoak and the rest of what was received from Texas was less than what we had on the table. Jack Z. wanted Smoak and tried to work Cashman over. Cashman didn’t bite and walked away from the trade.

    Now imagine the amount of ridiculousness that would have transpired if we traded our prospects for Lee without the extension, and in free agency, he still signed with Philly. We’d be without our best prospects and just holding our balls.

    Same with Ubaldo. No physical, no deal. Screw the semantics. If Colorado have suspicions, but have not confirmed, that Ubaldo has some type of injury, they are not liable or culpable if they trade him away. Plausible deniability. If the Yanks were allowed the physical, things would be confirmed, one way or another, and either we’d have a trade partner or we wouldn’t. The Rockies knew what they were doing.

    Cashman was smart to walk away from both deals.

    • Pat D says:

      Stop apologizing for him! He sucks!!!!

      /cashman failed’d

      • BK2ATL says:

        Apologize for Cash? For what? Being a better negotiator than some of what’s being said on this board?

        Last I checked, Colon, Garcia, Martin and Jones have worked out. Chevez and Soriano (not his decision, I know) are now back and healthy. Robertson has done what Joba should’ve been. We’re right in the race with Boston and probably headed to the postseason again. AND we have a loaded farm system to reload the team internally.

        I really just want the Yanks to unleash this farm system on MLB.

        In 2012, Posada should be retired, therefore Montero’s up with a full green light. Banuelos has a real shot at the rotation from spring training, no BS rules. Let him pitch. Nunez stays up as does Nova this time.

        IPK is an “ace” in the NL West. He didn’t have the stuff to cut it in the AL East. Yet people are clamoring to give up the farm for Ubaldo Jimenez, who’s also an “ace” in the NL West???

        Jeff Karstens anyone? Tyler fucking Clippard is now an effective pitcher.

        One last thing from Joel Sherman (tweeted approx. 4 pm EST)

        “I have asked no fewer than 10 exec/scouts not working for #Yankees #Rockies is Jimenez an AL East ace and yet to hear 1 yes (cont)

        Hence the dilemma #Rockies selling like ace, #Yankees not believing that is who he is, especially if has to move to AL East”

    • ItsATarp says:

      Stop being Logical…missing out on Ubaldo means the season is over.

  200. Jorge says:

    Very happy to see how things have gone thus far and the restraint the team has shown. It’s not over yet, but the best moves are sometimes the ones you don’t make.

    I still have my man-crush on Doug Fister, however.

  201. Kevin G. says:

    Hopefully CC will be able to pitch on one days rest

    • CMP says:

      Game 1: CC
      Game 2: Colon
      Game 3: Soriano, Robertson, Rivera 3 innings each
      Then pray for 2 days of rain and repeat.

  202. Angel says:

    now Garcia and Colon are better than Jimenez

  203. ItsATarp says:


    Rockies got 3 of the Indians top pitching Prospects. Equivalent of the Killer B’s (although Brackman sucks this year) so it’s more like ManBan+ Betance + Noesi/Nova/whoever. So yea Rockies got what they wanted from the indians which is equal or close to what they wanted from us.

  204. Gonzo says:

    I just want to point out that even if Rich Harden is healthy, he’s a bullpen killer. Dude throws way too many pitches for his frail arm and never lasts long in games. Maybe they need a bullpen arm to replace Theo’s masterstroke of a contract, Bobby Jenks.

    • CMP says:

      That move doesn’t worry me a bit. I’d say the odds are better than 50/50 that Harden doesn’t even last the season healthy for Boston.

    • JohnnyC says:

      Even when healthy Harden’s a 5 and fly guy.

    • BK2ATL says:

      Let’s see…Pat Clement, Wade Miller, Andrew Miller, John Lackey,… now Rich Harden.I’m not worried. Bobby Jenks, that great FA signing. Funny.

      Truth be told, Harden was a very good pitcher when he was healthy, but that was a long, long time ago. Kinda like Bedard and Sheets, etc. The odds of him staying healthy for the rest of the season are very low.

      • Pat D says:

        Matt Clement and John Lackey had success at various points. Wade Miller was also good before he, too, got hurt. Andrew Miller’s the only one from that last that is a “never was.”

  205. Angel says:

    halladay, lee, ubaldo, haren……….

    • CMP says:

      Haren is the one that really burns my ass.

      • Gonzo says:

        I don’t think they had a shot. I think they liked Skaggs more than Betances, Brackman, or Joba.

        They were heavily scouting Skaggs in the ’09 draft, but they thought he’d be around longer, so they focused on offense first. They were very disappointed when the Angels picked Skaggs.

        It’s just a matter of the one that got away looks prettier. JMHO

        • CMP says:

          “I don’t think they had a shot. I think they liked Skaggs more than Betances, Brackman, or Joba.”

          Did you make that up because I’ve never read anything closer to that statement anywhere.

          • Gonzo says:

            They were scouting Skaggs in the ’09 draft. That is the truth. They wanted him in the ’09 draft. That is the truth.

            • CMP says:

              They liked him better than Betances, Joba and Brackman. That is made up.

              • Gonzo says:

                “I don’t think they had a shot. I think they liked Skaggs more than Betances, Brackman, or Joba.”

                I didn’t make anything up. Before you accuse someone of lying, you should be sure you are right.

                • CMP says:

                  Forgive me if you think I implied you’re lying.

                  I just don’t think saying the Dbacks preferred Skaggs over the Yankee prospects is anything more than speculation.

                  My point that was lost in all this was that I think Yankees could have easily put together a package for Haren that would have been better than the Angels package and it would have been well worth it.

                  • Gonzo says:

                    No worries. I didn’t know if you were doing it with evil intent. You can never tell.

                    Sure, it’s possible that tey could have sent a better package. Possibly even one centered on Montero or Banuelos.

                    However, it’s not too far of logical leap to say they liked Skaggs better, a guy they knew better, a lefty, and younger than Brack or Betances?

                    Both were coming back from elbow surgery. Brack had a rough start to ’10 (he hadn’t killed it till he was promoted to AA) and he was in his age 24 season.

                    Betances was killing it high-A, but he had an injury past, and was 22 killing it high-A.

                    Not saying it was a lock they liked Skaggs better, but it’s not like Brack or Betances were clearly the better package.

        • The amount of hand wringing about the Haren trade is out of control. Trying to speculate about who Arizona liked more and that’s why they didn’t take the Yankees deal that might not have even been offered according to local beat guys is silly.

          The only real clear information about it is that Arizona ownership told DiPoto he needed to dump the salary immediately, which means you don’t really get a whole lot of time to negotiate a better deal than what he got.

          • nycsportzfan says:

            the thing i don’t get is back when haren was available, most of people on here were doing the same thing there doing with UBALDO, saying its not worth the prospects , hes not a ACE, his flyball rate won’t work in NY…etc..etc Now, all of a sudden, Haren’s throwing teh best he has, and its we should of done the deal..lol The exact same thing i said last yr, and this yr with ubaldo, and last yr with lee… U dont pass up on freaking Top notch players…
            A scout said that U can tell when Ubaldo was feeling completely healthy right abou june 1st, over his next ten starts, only CC,verlander and i forget the 3rd pitcher had better ERA’s then Ubaldo.. The scout goes on to say u never here about King Felixs drop in MPH, and its very rare someone to stay at 98=100mph… We’ll be looking back on Ubaldo just like we are with haren and Halladay and lee, u can bet your but on that… Hopefully some of our prospects don’t lose a ton of value when guys like Weaver, Cain, Shields, Danks, and King Felix become FA’s or are on the trade market…

  206. Jim bones says:

    not getting HAREN last year still and will haunt the yanks for some time.

  207. Avi says:

    Wow, Colorado got crap for Ubaldo. Pomeranz is about the equivalent of Banuelos the other 3 guys aren’t top 100 prospects. This package is nothing like the “Hershel Walker package” or the Montero, Banuelos, Betances, Nova package they were requiring to get him

    • ItsATarp says:

      White is number 47 on Baseball America’s Ranking. And Gardner is their 4th best pitching prospect.

      • Avi says:

        Oh. Didn’t see White. It’s still not an extraordinary package. All their talk of not moving him unless they were overwhelmed was BS. There has to be some unknown reason that they were motivated to move him. Doesn’t make sense otherwise.

      • Gonzo says:

        White fell off lists because he’s actually in the majors right now and not considered a propsect anymore according to the “lists.”

        He was a top 50 prior to the season, made the majors, and is more than 5 months younger than Betances.

        You could say the deal might be similar to a Banuelos + Betances deal.

    • Pat D says:

      Seems like most people are not in agreement with you.

  208. YankeesJunkie says:

    Surprised to see Jimenez go to Indians, but the Yankees still need to make a move for a starter to fall behind CC. While Colon and Garcia have done well seeing them start game 2 and game 3 of a series it may mean trouble against a team like the Red Sox. I still think Nova, Betances, and Montero as a fair trade, but Indians came in first with a deal they found acceptable. The Yankees obviously still are in a good position to win a WS this year, but if they don’t find a starter to put behind CC it may be a very difficult road.

    • Ed says:

      I’m not convinced Ubaldo would be better in the AL East than Nova has been. For that kind of package you need a much more sure thing. I’m thrilled they didn’t make that trade.

  209. CMP says:

    If Ubaldo wasn’t coming to NY, I’m glad he went to Cleveland where he likely won’t hurt the Yankees.

  210. Sarah says:

    Rosenthal on the White Sox:

    #WhiteSox seeking rotation depth. Traded Jackson to save money, now concerned they’re too thin. #tradedeadline #MLB

  211. Rainbow Connection says:

    The price goes up for the spoiled rich kid. I guess it probably should be that way.

  212. BK2ATL says:

    Harden to Red Sox called off. LOL!!!

  213. Jesse says:

    I would LOVE it if the Yankees traded for Matt Garza and Randy Choate. But I think they need Garza more.

    • nycsportzfan says:

      Supposedly neither are being moved… Gio Gonzalez would be the sweetest get of a guy even mentioned as trade bait, but hes not going anywhere.. Anibal Sanchez would be next, and hes not going anywhere, and the Fish have even said that Choate is staying put…

      Our best bet at getting anyone is probably if the Pads loosen there grip on Mike Adams and we snag him… maybe something like Jr. Murphy/Noesi will get it done?

      A intersting trade i like would be a Rich Harden/Brad Ziegler deal from Oakland.. Harden at least gives us insurance and another option of Colon or Garcia start to falter before the playoffs, and if Harden is in one of his Zones, he can go 10-12 straight games looking like a ACE… I’d feel more comfy with someone like that on the team as well, especially with AJ and Hughes also not being overly consistent, to say the least… Ziegler would give us extraordinary bullpen, where we could really shorten games Ziegler/Wade/Logan/Soriano/Robertson/MO.. Not to freaking bad..
      I was thinking something like Jr Murphy/Adam Warren/Shaffer Hall might be a nice package for the A’s…

      • Peter Lacock says:

        Save it.
        No way Cash lets all that go. Murphy/Noesi is 1/2 an Ubaldo. Relievers are not Cash”s scene.

        • nycsportzfan says:

          Relievers are not Cash’s scene? Hes paid more money to relievers then probably anyone in baseball, and just traded for Kerry Wood last yr, and it was huge for us… Ziegler would make our BUllpen super deep, and if u cant get a quality Num 1 starter type, then the next best thing to do would be to get a starter who at least at times can pitch like a Number 1, for insurance, so u don’t lose your whole season if guys liek Colon and Garcia falter toward the end of the regular season, or Hughes don’t get it together, and if Aj just shows hes simply not reliable enough to be counted on in the postseason… Also, Ziegler could allow u to get guys like Hughes<nova, Aj,Colon, Garcia and Colon out of the games before its to late if there struggling in say the 5th, but were still in the game.. You'd be able to go something like this

          U gotta do something, u can't just ride Colon and Garcia with no insurance, when both Hughes and AJ have not proven much, and Nova being so young and inexpierenced… harden gives u insurance for the rotation,a nd Ziegler gives u a super deep bullpen that can take over in the 5th if needed and not run outta guys before getting to MO…

  214. Eric says:

    Yanks need to move on and see if they can pry a quality arm away from a non-contending team. If not then keep riding Bartolo, Garcia, and keep Nova up. Hughes goes to pen or Scranton. If or when the arms start falling apart before the season ends, they need to give manny and or dellin a chance in the bigs. Detroit brought up Turner yesterday and moore will be in tampa soon. Yanks need to stop treating these guys like little kids, if they are as good as the yankee hype then bring them UP. I am a die hard yankees fan but I really am starting to get frustrated with the way they handle the kids. If you are not going to trade them for proven MLB players then they need to prove themselves. You cannot lose with your best players not on the field. Montero needs to be on the next bus to the Bronx if he makes it past 4pm today. He would get more out of catching 1-2 games, dh’n 2 and sitting next to Tony Pena on bench and learning from him, martin and jorge. Remember Eric Duncan?? Jesus has way more talent but could be jerked around enough that he flames out just like duncan did. Bring up JESUS now, and if we need starters in the next month give the B’s a chance, worst case they arent ready and get sent back down. CC skipped AAA with cleveland- he is ok right?

    • Steve (different one) says:

      I love how the narrative on Duncan has evolved to this accepted fact that he busted because he was jerked around and not b/c he just wasn’t good enough.

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