Jul
17

Sunday Open Thread

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(AP)

First series after the All-Star break, and I’d call it a success. They split the four games the hard way, dropping the first two (in blowout fashion) but rebounding to win the next two. Brett Gardner had a huge series, Eduardo Nunez had a ton of hard contact, Phil Hughes looked something other than awful, lots to take away from that one. The proverbial rust is off, now it’s time to get back to the grind.

Here is tonight’s open thread. The ESPN Sunday Night Game is in Tampa for the Rays and Red Sox (Niemann vs. Beckett), plus Breaking Bad comes back tonight. Yippee. Talk about whatever you want, anything’s game.

Categories : Open Thread

238 Comments»

  1. Bryan L says:

    I really can’t see why the Rockies trade Ubaldo unless they get completely overwhelmed with an offer. Pitchers of his kind are just too hard to come by.

  2. JobaWockeeZ says:

    So do you think Cash will give the “untouchable” prospects to get Ubaldo or will he pass?

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      All depends on what the price is. If it is just one of the big three prospects plus Nova and a couple younger good prospects then yes. However, if it involves more major leaguers than Nova and they want two of the big three the Yanks will look elsewhere.

    • Xstar7 says:

      The Phillies will swoop in at the last minute, snatch Ubaldo, and break all of our hearts. You watch.

      • They’ll trade prospects to get Ubaldo, then trade Cole Hamels for prospects, then sign Cole Hamels back when he hits free agency.

        They’re going to keep doing this until they’ve assembled the first ever 12-ace pitching staff in ML history.

        • IRF says:

          After Mo announces his retirement in 2012, Cliff Lee’s wife will urge him out of retirement and on to the Phillies, where he will go on to win 15 more WS rings.

          Cliff Lee will then refer to the Yankees as “old”

        • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

          I’m sorry, the Red Sox have a roster full of 25 aces, plus a stocked farm to use to grab Ubaldo.

        • Xstar7 says:

          “They’re going to keep doing this until they’ve assembled the first ever 12-ace pitching staff in ML history.”

          Wrong. The Red Sox already did that.

          Lester, Beckett, Lackey, Millwood, Buchholz, Miller, Wakefield, Aceves, Kyle Welland, Dennys Reyes, Scott Atchison, and Felix Dourbront.

        • Hall and Nokes says:

          Ubaldo loves those Phillie fans. How can you not?

        • David says:

          You mean Boston doesn’t have that already???

    • Steve S. says:

      Brian Cashman offered Montero, Adams, Nova and a lesser prospect for TWO MONTHS of Cliff Lee. Two months. If anyone thinks he won’t offer more for 3+ years of Jimenez for less than 20 mil total cost, then they’re just not paying attention.

      • Cliff Lee in mid 2010 >>>>>>>> Ubaldo Jimenez right now

        Dude had won a Cy Young, in the AL, the year before, and had a 14.83 K/BB for Seattle at the time.

        FOURTEEN POINT EIGHT THREE.

        Yes, Ubaldo’s way younger and has way more team control, but Ubaldo has had a lot of good pitching and is currently scuffling. Cliff Lee was one of the three best pitchers on the planet and was on top of his game. Not identical.

        • Steve S. says:

          You can’t be serious. How many WAR could Lee have possibly been worth in those two months vs the value of those prospects and/or Jimenez for 3 1/3 seasons? In both cases, it’s a ‘win the WS now’ move, but with Ubaldo you get to do it this year AND 3 more years for pocket change.

          • What I’m saying is, the concept that Cashman would offer more for Ubaldo than he would for Lee due to the fact that Ubaldo is younger and under team control longer is only half of the equation.

            The countermanding concept is that Cashman would offer less for Ubaldo than he would for Lee because Ubaldo is not as good of a pitcher as Lee is. He COULD BE as good as Lee, but he’s not, not yet.

            Those two concepts may cancel each other out. Ubaldo is younger, cheaper, and under contract longer; Lee is demonstrably better and much more of a sure thing.

          • IRF says:

            Its only 2 more seasons after this. 2014 team option is voided.

          • Pat D says:

            Yea, that win the World Series now mode is so stupid, since there’s nothing better than winning the World Series.

            Seriously, though, why does everyone think that they wouldn’t have been able to re-sign Lee last offseason if they had traded for him?

    • bexarama says:

      if “untouchable” prospects include Nova I sure hope so.

      (I also don’t think Ubaldo’s really going anywhere.)

      • Steve S. says:

        I buy it. They’re 8.5 out for the division, 10 out of the WC. Their farm system has few guys in the lower levels, but no one that made the recent BP top 50, so its pretty weak for the next few years. DelaRosa probably doesn’t even pitch next year, and if he does it will be late. Their bullpen sucks, Helton is getting old and they can’t compete with either the Giants (division) or Braves (WC) for the foreseeable future. They’re looking at a black hole for the next 1-2 years, and Ubaldo is their most tradable commodity. If I’m O’Dowd and I can make franchise altering deal, I do it. He can stand pat if he chooses, but if something is too good to pass up I think he pulls the trigger.

        • bexarama says:

          He can stand pat if he chooses, but if something is too good to pass up I think he pulls the trigger.

          Yeah, agreed. But I dunno who’s gonna give that up so I don’t really think he’s going anywhere. The rumored Montero + Banuelos + Betances + Nova deal is too much, I think.

  3. YankeesJunkie says:

    It was nice to see Hughes go out and throw a nice performance. It was a disconcerting with all the ball that were hit hard in the air. However, this is his second MLB start in the last three months. More importantly he was able to finish hitters off and the tighter curve looked like it could be a knockout pitch. Hopefully Hughes can use this start as a jump start to the second half of the season.

  4. Dela G says:

    I have a question for you guys. I am strongly considering applying for my MBA at an Ivy League school(s), but I’m not sure if it’s worth going there. I current enjoy my job, but I think an mba could get me far. What do yall think?

  5. Monteroisdinero says:

    No errors today with Pena/Nunez/Posada infield. Girardi a genius for throwing Hughes out there for the flyballs/popups and strikeouts.

  6. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Niemann vs. Beckett. This should be a blast.

  7. JobaWockeeZ says:

    If this thing goes through it has a few similarities with the Beckett-Hanley trade.

    And no I didn’t say Montero will turn out to be Hanley for clarification’s sake.

  8. I figured out why IPK has flourished and become a successful ML starting pitcher while Joba and Hughes have struggled with injuries and regression:

    Kennedy’s grown an awesome ‘stache and beard.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/me.....height=471

    We may need to lift the facial hair ban, or at least lighten it. A junior-mountain-man like IPK’s would instantly turn Hughes back into a Cy Young candidate. It might heal Joba’s elbow in a week or two, stem-cell-style.

    Save the Big 3 Beard the Big 2!

  9. BigBlueAL says:

    I thought Hughes looked pretty good today. Aggressive with his fastball and got some swing and misses with it. Thought early on he was too curveball dependent but he went back to his fastball and it paid off.

    I was very encouraged today and look forward to his next few starts.

  10. Steve O says:

    Anyone else hoping all this Montero trade talk gets him going on a hot steak again.

    • The Big City of Dreams says:

      It could just piss him off. At this point you wonder if he wants out of the organization.

  11. Jerome S. says:

    Jerry Remy just started following me on Twitter.

    yuck.

  12. Dino Velvet says:

    Japan broke my heart, today :(

    • Jerome S. says:

      I spent 5.2 seconds upset.

      And then I remembered that it was women’s soccer.

    • It’s like Pearl Harbor, all over again.

      (Too soon?)

    • The Humongous says:

      The UWNT broke my heart today.

      No offense to Japan, who never quit and never stopped coming, but that was a loss, not a defeat …

    • Pat D says:

      It was their destiny to help boost morale for their ravaged country!!!

      Seriously, though, tragedy aside, I am so sick of that fucking narrative in sports. I’m sure Japan winning the World Cup will make a big difference for those who lost loved ones and possessions in that tsunami. Just like the Saints winning the Super Bowl did everything to erase the stain of Katrina. Oh, and that’s right, they used that narrative for the Saints in their playoff run in 2006 and then whipped it out again for their Super Bowl run. Uh-uh!! Can’t use that bullshit story twice, people.

      And it’s not as if anyone felt sorry for the Yankees not winning the World Series less than two months after the fucking 9/11 attacks or anything, now did they? Nope, it was all about the glorious upstart Diamondbacks, a team comprised entirely of free agent signees pretty much, defeating the evil Yankees dynasty. Give me a fucking break. I always point to the 2001 World Series as great evidence as to why there is no god.*

      (*this is my own personal opinion and is not meant to be taken seriously by anyone other than me, as I have a fairly diseased mind anyway, and I don’t want to start another discussion like this because I learned my lesson the first time I made a comment like this. just pretend like I never said that.)

  13. nycsportzfan says:

    All 4(nova,montero,manban,betances) would be to much, for Ubaldo by himself, but what if the Rocks threw in Ty Wiggington? Would it still be to much?

  14. nycsportzfan says:

    The yanks are gonna be in on the CJ Wilson sweepstakes in the offseason, if we somehow can get Ubaldo, that would give us one of the deepest best rotations in all of baseball, with not a ton of room for ManBan and Betances and Nova anyways, that might be what Cash is thinking if he does the deal..

    Could u imagine this rotation..

    CC
    Ubaldo
    CJ Wilson
    Aj Burnett
    Phil Hughes

  15. Steve S. says:

    http://www.baseball-reference......;t=p#hmvis

    SO/BB are up, WHIP, HRs and OPS are down. If anything, Jimenez should be even better in pinstripes.

  16. At the trade deadline, BJ Upton goes to…

  17. Zack D says:

    80%? So he uses a binder?

  18. The Humongous says:

    .340 for Kotchman?

    Wow, I had *no* idea.

  19. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    This is hilarious, enjoy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ded#at=243 (safe)

  20. Does anyone know the origin of the “veteran presents” meme?

  21. Jimmy McNulty says:

    So…who here likes the idea of a Montero/Banuelos and more for Ubaldo? I’m on the fence.

  22. JobaWockeeZ says:

    From 2008 to 2011.
    Ubaldo Jimenez: 749 IP 3.52 ERA 3.42 FIP 3.74 xFIP 3.90 tERA 3.88 SIERA 2.11 K/BB 1.27 WHIP
    Pitcher A: 616 IP 3.48 ERA 3.51 FIP 3.63 xFIP 3.64 tERA 3.75 SIERA 3.16 K/BB 1.18 WHIP
    4.42 4.25
    Pitcher B: 586 IP 3.87 ERA 4.09 FIP 4.17 xFIP 4.42 tERA 4.25 SIERA 2.20 K/BB 1.36 WHIP

    It should be noted that if we look at 2009-present day.
    Pitcher B: 405 IP 3.65 ERA 3.76 FIP 3.82 xFIP 4.15 tERA 3.88 SIERA
    2.63 K/BB 1.30 WHIP

    Both mystery pitchers are rumored to be somewhat available on the market ans both should be a lot cheaper. Guess who they are.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      A is Kuroda I think.

    • nycsportzfan says:

      who cares? Guys like Kuroda aren’t on the same scale as Jiminez, because Jimenez is 27yrs old, and most pitchers work up to there prime, showing a solid season, a bit more the next, and then bang, best yrs for awhile after that.. Its not fair to take Jiminez’s first couple yrs in the majors and put it up against guys like Kuroda who are like 37yrs old, thats dumb..

      • It is if they’re both on the market right now, at their respective ages, and for differing prices.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Guys like Kuroda aren’t on the same scale as Jiminez

        Not to be rude but no shit. The point is finding comparable pitching that won’t cost Montero, Banuelos and Betances…

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          And Ubaldo first full season of pitching came in 2008. Same with Kuroda. Moot point there really.

          • nycsportzfan says:

            moot point? No, Kuroda was obviously a seasoned Japaneese player, absoulutley nothing like ubaldo… And, it might be comparable if you were looking for a rental, but in Ubaldo your not, your getting a ACE and the best part, we all ready got 1ace! U start piling up Aces, u get what we got in the late 90′s with Clemens and Cone and Pettitte and El Duque, alot of Championships…

            Its not comparable, because in one pitcher, youd be looking for a rental, in Ubaldo, your making the deal in hoping to have a ACE whos 27yrs old and has a ton of yrs left… Its totally diffrent..

            • JobaWockeeZ says:

              Seasoned Japanese players don’t always amount to shit in the MLB. But anyways the Yankees will look to improve the team whether or not the guy is an ace or not. Rentals are perfectly fine…

              http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ntals.html

              You’re ignoring the cost to acquire Ubaldo. Right now the Rockies are asking for a fuckton as they should. We’re not talking about Romine + Betances + Heathcott or something. This is the top 3 prospects of the system. If the Yankees can get a rental who can provide them another valuable weapon in the postseason while keeping Montero, Banuelos and more then he’ll definitely do it.

              And even then it’s not like Ubaldo is a sure thing either. Surer than every other prospect combined yes but he’s lost velocity and even with it isn’t really in the top 10 of MLB pitchers.

          • bexarama says:

            Not really, honestly. Ubaldo’s still pretty young, Kuroda’s not. I can easily see Ubaldo getting better in the years to come – not really with Kuroda.

            That said, I loooove me some Kuroda of the options that I can see would be available out there, and he’d certainly be cheaper than Ubaldo. I’d definitely go hard after him. twss hurr hurr.

            • JobaWockeeZ says:

              Yeah I agree but the thing was moot is the unfairness that I’m using their entire career’s to show that they are close in production because Ubaldo’s career is so short.

              But yes it is likely Ubalo becomes better when he approaches 30. Better that he costs Montero and Banuelos? No idea but I don’t know if I wanna risk it.

              I mean I jump on it if it’s Felix Hernandez but 32 years old but Ubaldo ain’t there yet.

              • nycsportzfan says:

                not to mention, Kuroda said he won’t waive his No trade clause if its to the EAST COAST.. So, theres that…

  23. Pat D says:

    Just saw Banuelos’ line tonight.

    Wow, it’s as if the EL ASG didn’t mean anything, or something.

    • Phife Dawg says:

      Josh Norris on Twitter said the blisters appeared to flare up again. His main issue is his lack of command; he walks way too many guys.

      On the bright side: he’s just 20 years old so he’s got plenty of time to figure it out.

  24. Phife Dawg says:

    Just saw this via Deadspin, Jose Reyes starring in a reggaeton music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ded#at=281

    Cover your eyes if you don’t like listening rebecca blackesque auto tuned music.

  25. nycsportzfan says:

    Montero and Banuelos looked like Snot today.. Montero down to 283 and banuelos ERA is almost up to 4.00 in Double A.. U people are crazy if u don’t want to make a deal for a proven pitcher like ubaldo, u don’t know what these prospects will do at all or how long it’ll take for that potential to show on the big stage if at all.. Both Montero and Banuelos aren’t doing anything impressive this yr…

  26. FIPster Doofus says:

    So close to Breaking Bad’s season premiere at 10. The 13-month wait is finally about to end!

  27. CBean says:

    I keep having to turn away from the Sox/Rays game because the excessive drooling over Pedroia is making me nauseous.

    • Has Jeff Neimann given up 12 runs already? I can only assume that’s what happened, because all I’ve heard about is how awesome Beckett is and how awesome Pedroia is.

      It’s 12-0 Boston right now, right?

      • CBean says:

        Well I’m not sure if you realise, but Pedroia is actually just covering first, second, third, and short by the sheer strength of his grit. And Josh Beckett has grown up right in front of our eyes, like one of those time-delayed nature videos.

  28. JobaWockeeZ says:

    LOL. Who said son of a bitch on ESPN?

  29. CBean says:

    Delay in the Rays game because a foul ball broke a lightbulb on the stupid catwalk and now there’s broken glass on the field.

  30. James A says:

    As much as I’ve been excited for the Montero era, I really don’t see how it will work out unless they just don’t care if he isn’t great at defense behind the plate or they turn him into Edgar Martinez
    Frankly he has much more value to Colorado because Todd Helton isn’t getting any younger, and the guy will obviously be able to hit. I’d rather get someone I trust a little more than Ubaldo for him (and other pieces) but it does seem like Jesus has come to a turning point where he has to get called up or get traded

  31. YankeesJunkie says:

    Brett Gardner for Madison Bumgarner: Crazy or genius?

  32. jon says:

    lol they just actually said pedroia has done more than the rest of his whole team

    forget about josh beckett throwing a 1 hitter

  33. jon says:

    farnsworth throws 3 strikes to yook all called balls

    bard throws balls and gets strikes

  34. Pastadivingarod says:

    Montero Nova Nunez Noesi Stoneburner for UJ and Wiggy

  35. jon says:

    Ubaldo Jimenez pitches to the 26th, 27th & 29th (last 3 in the NL) offenses in MLB. The AL East has 3 of the Top 4.

  36. JobaWockeeZ says:

    FUCK YOU JOSH REDDICK.

  37. jon says:

    wow what a catch

    heres hoping for a rays win in the bottom of the 19th

  38. jon says:

    youk has some crazy home away splits this year

    .383/.492/.664 at home

    .196/.315/.359 away

  39. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Bad JP Howell is bad

  40. Greg says:

    Yep, TB’s done for the night.

  41. bonestock94 says:

    It’s not gonna get easier than McDonald and Reddick, throw strikes!

  42. jon says:

    5 relievers in a game where the starter went 8 innings

    i love it

  43. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    At least the Rays bullpen will be completely empty tomorrow

  44. bonestock94 says:

    JP Howell needs to stop raging, it’s getting embarassing

  45. bonestock94 says:

    YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

  46. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    I love how the ESPN announcers are in complete disbelief

    • jon says:

      no one wants to see this stat nerd, mothers basement living, team win

      everyone wants americas blue collar heroes to win

  47. jon says:

    why would you sac bunt when tek is behind the plate

    • Jonathan Harker says:

      Scutaro should have been immediately ejected from the ballgamge. Instead that idiot homeplate ump ejects the Rays 2nd manager. You do not slam the bat down behind home plate when the catcher is back there trying to catch a pop up. If A-Rod did that the press would have a field day.

    • Xstar7 says:

      Agreed. With a speedy runner on first and that washed up mess Varitek behind the plate, is it really that hard to fathom to have the runner steal second AND THEN sac bunt?

  48. jon says:

    wait wait wait

    damons walk up music is ice ice baby?

    +1 for him

  49. Jonathan Harker says:

    This couldn’t be working out better for us. The Rays are using pitcher after pitcher and tomorrow they have a rook going against our lineup.

  50. Xstar7 says:

    The Red Sox and Rays wearing each other out is the best case scenario for the Yankees.

  51. jon says:

    6 of 8 pen pitchers used woo

  52. Xstar7 says:

    Jacoby Ellsbury has gone 0-6. Nice.

  53. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    PEDs do you no good, Roia

  54. jon says:

    and another rays warming up

  55. jon says:

    damn that was way too few pitches

  56. Xstar7 says:

    Evan jussssssst missed it.

  57. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    2 balls in a row that are HRs in Fenway

  58. Xstar7 says:

    This game just doesn’t want to end.

  59. jon says:

    Wow some big balls on the rays to throw at a dude when you have 1 pitcher and 1 position player left

  60. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Sox have struck out 16 times. And walked 10 times.

  61. Xstar7 says:

    The Rays just can’t score. And now Boston has the meat of their lineup due.

  62. Greg says:

    Tell me why we got rid of Aceves again.

  63. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Toooooooo close.

  64. YankeesJunkie says:

    Best game of the day if you ask me.

  65. Xstar7 says:

    And the Rays escape another jam. Can they just score a run already? I don’t want to see Papelbon’s ugly face in this game.

  66. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Ace is really wild. PLEASE, Rays score a run.

  67. YankeesJunkie says:

    This is now a game thread

  68. Xstar7 says:

    Aceves has hit two batters and still managed to throw 3 scoreless innings on only 27 pitches. That’s how dead this Rays offense is.

  69. Xstar7 says:

    The Rays are down to their last pitcher. If they don’t score soon, they’re screwed.

  70. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Nice, walk Josh Reddick.

  71. Xstar7 says:

    Of course it had to be Pedroia, that little fuck.

  72. YankeesJunkie says:

    Son of bitch!!!

  73. Xstar7 says:

    Great. Here comes that douche-nozzle Pap Smear.

  74. YankeesJunkie says:

    Rays need to score 1 run this inning. No more, no less.

  75. Xstar7 says:

    Quit celebrating, Anus-mouth. Sergio Mitre could’ve gotten the save against this dead Rays offense.

  76. YankeesJunkie says:

    Well…fuck.

    Still a good game for the Yanks so not all bad.

  77. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    That…sucked. At least the Rays will be bushed tomorrow.

  78. BigTimeBartolo says:

    Bald little fuck needs to shave those pubes off his face

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