Game 108: Two-thirds


(AP Photo/Eric Gay)

This game is number 108 of the season, exactly two-thirds of the way through. The old saying is that you use the first half of the season to evaluate the team, the second third to make changes, and the third third to ride those changes out. The Yankees chose to make no changes in the second third (or minimal changes, really), which is why Phil Hughes‘ start tonight is so important. Joe Girardi indicated that they won’t continue using a six-man rotation this month, and Hughes’ spot is clearly the one most up in the air. A poor performance could land him in the bullpen or in Triple-A, but a good one … could do something else. I dunno what. Here’s the lineup…

Derek Jeter, SS
Curtis Granderson, CF
Mark Teixeira, 1B
Robinson Cano, 2B
Nick Swisher, RF
Andruw Jones, DH
Russell Martin, C
Eduardo Nunez, 3B
Brett Gardner, LF

Phil Hughes, SP

Apparently the weather in Chicago is supposed to be bad, so a delay or postponement is a possibility. The game is supposed to start a little after 8pm ET and can be seen on YES. Enjoy.

Update: There is “severe weather” on the way, so the game will begin in a delay. They’ll reevaluate things at 7:45pm CT, so we’re probably looking at a 9:30pm ET start at the earliest.

Update Part Deux: They’re saying a 8:55pm ET start, so my estimation skills suck.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. JU says:

    SWB game:

    Banuelos 2 K and 2 BB in first (got squeezed a little)

    Jesus HR in bottom 1st

  2. Brian Paul says:

    Let them avoid putting Phil in the pen. If he pitches poorly, best to send him down to triple A to stay stretched out, recover his fastball, and continue working on alternate pitches.

    • Mike HC says:

      We are going to need all the pitching we can get in the playoffs. Maybe start him in the minors until September call ups, and then get him ready for a role in the bullpen for the playoffs.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        If he’s sent down to the minors can he still pitch in the playoffs if called up after September?

        • Mike Axisa says:

          Yep. As long as the player is in the organization before Sept. 1st, there’s a way to get them on the postseason roster.

        • Mike HC says:

          You are asking the wrong guy about MLB rules. I don’t even want to try to figure them out. I’m assuming that, yes, there would be a way for the Yanks to do that in any number of MLB rules, loopholes or special exceptions.

        • Jetrer says:

          yes, he can take the place of injured pitcher
          for example, since Joba is on 60-day DL and won’t be back for the playoffs, any pitcher in the org. can take his place

  3. Hester Prynne says:

    I suggested in the earlier post that the 6 man rotation would not continue and it looks like Girardi has confirmed my hypothesis. I said a bad egg tonight would be the end of Hughes and Mike has suggested the same. Didn’t stop everyone from jumping down my throat. No continued 6 man rotation per Girardi so Phil Hughes is pitching for his job tonight and that it clear.

    • Klemy says:

      And now in hindsight, we can say that you’re probably wrong, since Hughes didn’t pitch badly. Congrats on congratulating yourself prematurely.

  4. “use the first half of the season to evaluate the team, the second third to make changes, and the third third to ride those changes out.”

    That gives us 7/6 of a season.

    /Math teacher’d

  5. Avi says:

    Gary Sanchez just homered again.

  6. Avi says:

    If I was Montero I’d sue the Yankees for keeping me in the minors too long, or sit out. This is just STUPID already.

  7. King George says:

    Domonic Brown homers off of ManBan. 1-1 in the 3rd.

  8. Jorge says:

    I will root for Phil Hughes until the cows come home (or he’s an Arizona Diamondback.) Hoping to see some nasty curves and improved control tonight. Let’s get this done! :)

  9. Guest says:

    Sanchez and Montero homered on the same night. Let’s go Austin, don’t get left out of the party!

    Question for those who know more than I do:

    What are the odds that Montero, Romine, Sanchez, and Murphy all make it to the majors? Obviously Sanchez and Murphy are still in the crap shoot phase, and Montero and Romine are knocking on the door.

    But given everything I have seen or heard, the Yankees have a legit argument that they have four future major leaguers playing catcher for them in the minors.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      All of them: 1/10000

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        I don’t think it’s that low. Some shit team will have them and they’ll be playing regardless of how much they suck if they don’t reach their ceilings.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Make it to the Show? Barring injury, and considering the overall mediocrity of ML catching today, I would say 99%… Odds of all 3 sticking and becoming All Stars or even regular contributors? Significantly less. I had always read that you can put those odds at @ 33%…

  10. chicago says:

    my buddys at the game in chicago and the weathers looking fine not worried

  11. Guest says:

    ManBan first AAA start, facing Domonic Brown.
    Montero/Sanchez HR
    Mason Williams HR

    What a DOTF…and its not even eight yet.

  12. IRF says:

    I wonder who Mike will pick for the text poll tonight.

  13. King George says:

    ManBan line so far:

    3IP, 3H, 1ER, 3BB, 5K

  14. Guest says:

    Jesus: 2 for 2

  15. Pastadivingarod says:

    Please let hughes not stink it up.

  16. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    oh fucking rain…

  17. Pastadivingarod says:

    Rain delay without rain seriously

  18. Erica says:

    Anticipated rain. SIIIIGH.

  19. Guest says:

    We should just call them rain Tuesdays. This is getting comical.

  20. Cy Pettitte says:

    Sox are just scared of Hughes

  21. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    things like this make me glad I’m on the west coast…

  22. Mike HC says:

    Pavano is shitting the bed this year again, his first year with any real expectations on him since the Yanks. Not surprising.

  23. Mike HC says:

    Was surprised to see how big and built up Kennedy has gotten since I have seen him last maybe over a year ago. Not surprising his results have been much improved.

    • Guest says:

      Ian Kennedy: Best career from one of the big three?

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Yeah, I don’t think Hughes will resurrect his career. Too fly ball prone, and he already killed any semblance of trade value. Joba’s a reliever, and Kennedy looks to have a decent shot to win 100 games. He’ll likely have the best career.

      • I’d still bet on Hughes. He’s had a tough season, probably from severe arm fatigue from throwing 100 IP more than he did the prior year, but he’s not dead and hasn’t had his shoulder cut into this year.

        Give him an offseason of rest/rehab, he’ll probably take a large step closer to his peak. Even if he’s only 80% of his 2010 first half for the rest of his life, that’s still probably better than IPK (who is good, but is coming back to normalcy from HIS early 2011 peak).

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          Ehh…there’s a chance that happens. Hughes has struggled with injuries his whole career. He had a good first half of 2010, and that’s about the only period of success he’s ever had. I’m still very bearish on Phil, if he wants to be a ML starter he’ll need to get that curveball back and get a working change up…when was the last time we saw a sharp curveball with any consistency from Hughes?

          I think they set him back by putting him in the bullpen, because for an inning his fastball was so good that he could get away with using only it. He didn’t need to work on his curveball at all in the pen. Since Hughes got hurt in 2007, had a lost season in 2008, 2009 SHOULD NOT have also been a lost year in terms of development. Instead, it not only set back his development, but it also set back his innings.

          Not a fan of developing pitchers through the bullpen. To be a successful starter, long term, a pitcher needs at least three major league pitches or two plus plus pitches (a la RJ with the heat and the slider) whereas in the bullpen a pitcher can get by with just two pitches. Joba never worked on his curve or his change up out of the pen, and Hughes rarely needed anything but his fastball. Since relievers as good as these up and coming prospects usually come in during higher leverage situations, they probably don’t want to work on their secondary stuff when it could mean a win or a loss.

          • Preaching to the choir, my friend. I’ve got no problem with a team breaking a kid into the majors through the bullpen, but at some point you have to declare that a starter is a starter and keep him in the rotation (somewhere) permanently to keep a workable development curve.

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              It also changes from pitcher to pitcher too. Just because the bullpen thing worked for one pitcher doesn’t mean it will work for another guy. Every pitcher is different. If a pitcher has zero health concerns and looks like he can get away with using two pitches for a good chunk of his career…yeah, maybe we can do the Joba or Hughes thing. But health concerns, lack of a DOMINATING pitch like at least a 70 on the 20-80 scale, and other causes lead to different things.

              The only pitchers i can think of in recent memory that I think were the brought up through the bullpen successfully were Billingsley and Price. I know some people will say Johan, but he was a Rule 5 draft pick and had an overall strange journey to the show.

        • Guest says:

          Hope you’re right. We’ve seen a lot of guys go through arm fatigue, struggle the next year, then bounce back (though, unfortunately, we’ve also seen a lot of guys who are never the same after early over use).

          Hopefully Phil bounces back. I will note that he has been the majors since 2007. That’s a long time. Is it me, or does it seem like he hasn’t really progressed? Injuries have played a huge roll, unquestionably.

          But I don’t think the Yankees have done him any favors with the pen/starter merry go round and the basically ignoring innings limits thing.

          Hope they’ve learned some lessons for ManBan’s sake.

          • Causation is certainly not correlation, but I do find it interesting that all three pitchers have struggled with injury (as many young starters do), but the one who was never yo-yoed into the bullpen for an entire season is the one who has grown into a legit, healthy, MLB starting pitcher already.

            Maybe that means something, maybe it doesn’t.

            • The Fallen Phoenix says:

              On the other hand, Kenendy’s only really missed any time in his pro career with the appendectomy, right? Chamberlain had injury problems in college, and Hughes had injury problems as a starter in the low-minors.

              I think it’s probably more likely that Kennedy’s just more durable than either Chamberlain or Hughes, but you’re right, can’t really tell either way.

              Then again, it should also be noted that both because Kennedy had more innings on his arm when he entered the system, and due to his overall durability, he never had an issue making any of his innings caps year-to-year, either.

            • Guest says:

              Great point. I am extrapolating from a very small sample on the bull pen thing.

              I feel more confident about the innings thing.

              Let’s face it, we all knew that we were being too cute by half when we said, “oh, 175+ playoffs is totally fine since he threw 146 four years ago,” completely ignoring the fact that he had never been anywhere near 146 before or after that.

              Dead arm in 2011 was not an unforeseeable side effect.

              Hopefully he bounces back.

      • MikeD says:

        I’d take Hughes over IPK. Send Hughes to the NL West and he’ll tear the place apart. I’m not dismissing IPK, but no way he’d put up anywhere the numbers he is in the AL East pitching for the Yankees and at Yankee Stadium.

        More than happy to have Granderson and Hughes. Nothing against IPK.

        • The Fallen Phoenix says:

          Arizona’s not exactly Petco, and I bet Kennedy’s floor is probably as a midrotation starter in the AL East, with a better-than-average chance of being a No. 2 starter. No, he probably wouldn’t be an ace, but I think Kennedy’s a lot better than a lot of people give him credit for.

          That said, you’re right, Granderson > Kennedy.

  24. Kevin D. says:

    Laird hits a bomb to tie things up down on the farm.

  25. chicago says:

    15 min till start time

  26. Cy Pettitte says:

    I think Manny is probably done

    5IP 7H 2ER 3BB 8K 100pitches

  27. Guest says:

    ManBan probably done for the evening:

    100 pitches, 5.0 IP, 7 H, 2R, 2ER, 3BB, 8K

    Yes the walks are high, but very nice first start in AAA.

    (BTW, the two run scoring hits he gave up — a triple and a bif fly — came against lefties. I really hope that, if they are going to LOOGY him, they wait until Sept. 1).

  28. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    Josh Beckett is a tool

  29. Jerome S. says:

    Yeah, fuck you weather-gods.

  30. Mike Axisa says:

    Michael Kay is in full blown mediot mode.

  31. Guest says:

    Jesus: 3 for 3

  32. Cy Pettitte says:

    why is wins the default stat to justify Nova in the majors for Kay?

  33. Mariano's Pimp Hand says:

    Stuck listening to Hawk Harrelson call the game. I may not survive it.

  34. MikeD says:

    Jeter continuing his career-long trend of hitting strongly leading off a game. I want to dismiss it, yet I’m not sure.

  35. Xstar7 says:

    There was our obligatory double play for the day.

  36. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    2 out hits FTW

  37. Mike Axisa says:

    Robinson, bitches.

  38. Bartolo's Colon says:

    Way to try to fool Jeter with two out rios

  39. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Will we see the battery of Manny and Jesus anywhere near 161st?

  40. Zach says:

    phil with the new haircut. pulling out all the stops

  41. Avi says:

    Hughes’ fastball has life. Im telling you

  42. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    can of soda opening #1

  43. Avi says:

    So weird how his arm strength comes and goes.

  44. MikeD says:

    Vizquel not a HOFer.

  45. Rod says:

    94mph… Maybe Phil was bored?

  46. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    95 2 times in a row

  47. MikeD says:


  48. bill says:

    boom. that is all.

  49. sangreal says:

    Clearly Hughes was just bored

  50. Cy Pettitte says:

    95mph x 3 = wow.

  51. JT says:

    OMG I’m getting turned on.

  52. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Two 95s…hmmm.

  53. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    10 pitch inning? 3 straight 95mph fastballs?

    I like this Phil Hughes

  54. Dennis says:

    This is the phil I love.

  55. dela g says:

    95??? jeebus

  56. pete says:

    i’m very aroused.

  57. Bartolo's Colon says:

    hughes is on steroids

  58. Crime Dog says:

    Hughes to the first!

  59. Stratman9652 says:

    Wasn’t the gun a bit hot in Chicago last year too? Joba hit 100 and Moseley was throwing 97. Or was that somewhere else?

  60. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Brackman gets my vote ;)

  61. Xstar7 says:

    Russell the Muscle!

  62. Cy Pettitte says:

    Russell?!?!?! where the fuck did that come from? must be scared of the Jesus.

  63. nedro says:


  64. Ivan says:

    Martin!!!!!!!!!!!! MARTIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MARTIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  65. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Keep Montero in Scranton.

  66. Zach says:

    You all and say 95. Does it look real? Are the hitters reacting like it’s 95?

  67. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Hey, I’m headed up to the City for 9/11. I’m going to be at GZ for the 10 year ceremony, and afterwards I’d like to catch the Cowboys at the Jets. I’ve been to both places before, but never in the same day. Does anyone know what the fastest way to get from GZ to the Meadowlands is?

  68. iheartpauloneill says:

    quentin swung ugly through the first 95, saw the second go for a ball, and watched a third for a strike 3. looked legit, with movement. now we’ll see how long it lasts.

  69. Xstar7 says:

    Let’s see if Hughes can keep it up.

  70. iheartpauloneill says:

    wow that nunez really has no glove huh…

  71. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Allowing Adam Dunn to reach base is absolutely unacceptable.

  72. Mojo says:

    Haven’t been able to watch the games. I’ve just been watching the GameDays/Casts/Feeds. I’ve noticed that Swisher is “lined(ing) out” a lot. Is he continuously hitting the ball hard straight at people?

  73. bill says:

    A lot of fly balls…

  74. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    Ugh. I would love Nunez so much if he could improve to even mediocre in the field.

  75. Avi says:

    I’m of the belief that Dunn has multiple 40 plus homer seasons left in him. He’s just in a REALLY bad first year with new team slump.

  76. IRF says:

    Thanks for ruining DotF Kay.

  77. James A says:

    It’s Ban-way-los, not Ban-UUU-a-los

    Thanks – the fans

  78. Question for any Scranton-hounds or prospect-gurus out there: Does Manny really pronounce his last name “Ban-YOU-way-los” like Kay keeps saying?

    Seems like it should just be “Ban-WEH-los”.

    Just curious. Does Kay have it right or is he over-prounouncing the U?

  79. JT says:

    The high heat is making the curve ball that much better

  80. nedro says:


  81. MikeD says:

    Solid inning. Didn’t hit 95, but the last pitch was 94. Encouraging.

  82. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Hopefully this is an improvement instead of facing a shitty offense. It pretty looks legit which is good.

  83. Karl Krawfid says:

    Hughes looks a lot more compact.

    I like.

  84. Chip says:

    Hey look, Derek Jeter can still hit a baseball

  85. Colombo says:

    It looks to me like Phil really has his legs working under him this start. His leg drive and follow through seem better than they have been.

    • JT says:

      You actually noticed a difference between this start and prior starts? I hope your right… I need a reason for why Hughes is off to such a strong start. Now let’s see if he can hold this velocity through to the 5th and later.

  86. The Fallen Phoenix says:

    I’m pretty sure Granderson actually wanted to avoid making an out, but don’t let that disrupt Flaherty’s narrative, Michael.

  87. dela g says:

    love jeter since the injury comeback

  88. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    A pitching and defense team with Adam Dunn at first base


  89. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    Fuck yeah Tex. What an at bat.

  90. Cy Pettitte says:

    fucking crushed.

  91. Mike Axisa says:

    That was a monster at-bat by Teixeira. Monster. As good as it gets.

  92. dela g says:

    mark T with an epic at-bat

    love it

  93. Esteban says:

    Nooo too many homers.

  94. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:


  95. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Ozzie’s probably saying to himself “fakjdfl;jasdlfjkasdfljk!!”

  96. Avi says:

    Tex has 30 homers on August 2nd. Wow!

  97. Xstar7 says:

    They’re hitting rockets off of Danks.

  98. Jerome S. says:

    Mark Teixeira hitting bombs from the right side seems so much more badass, I don’t know why.

  99. Cuso says:

    dirty 30!

  100. dela g says:

    boy we be killin em


  101. nedro says:

    WTF? Enough with all the homers, already! They’ll never be able to sustain it!

  102. Mike HC says:

    Have we ever heard a pitchers opinion about throwing to Montero. We hear a lot of scouting reports, but I don’t think I have ever heard a pitcher give either a good or bad review. It might be too much to ask to be completely unbiased in that case though, or completely truthful.

  103. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    Since when did you have to be over 21 to get a hat on cap day?

  104. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    How are they freaking out about Hughes velocity when he’s throwing 93?

  105. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    If Phil’s sitting at 93 then I’m good.

  106. Justin says:

    Kay remembers Phil hit 95 in the 2nd inning…right?

  107. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Is it really necessary to play The Outfield’s “Your Love” every time a new batter steps up to the plate?

  108. Cy Pettitte says:

    Phil’s season is turning into “Velocity Watch 2011″


  109. bill says:

    swings and misses. crazy stuff.

  110. Jerome S. says:

    Michael Kay must be mentally challenged if he believes every word Girardi says.

  111. boogie down says:

    Kay’s pronunciation of Phil’s name (“Yoos”) makes me think of that Curb episode (“Fuck HUGH … Fuck HUGH”)

  112. Xstar7 says:

    St. Phillip of Hughes

  113. Justin says:

    I miss the Singleton/O’Neill booth :(

  114. billbybob says:

    This is Phil Hughes circa April/May 2010.

  115. Mike Axisa says:

    Mailing in the trivia questions this series.

  116. MikeD says:

    Michael, never use the term “Yankee Nation.” Never.

  117. dela g says:

    anyone else notice that the cinderella pirates are falling back to earth?


  118. Justin says:

    Michael Kay brings up that Thurman Munson cartoon every year.

  119. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    Were you guys aware that smoking is bad for you?

  120. MikeD says:

    Fuck these commercials.

    I’m taking up smoking.

  121. Reggie C. says:

    Newsday is reporting that Osi Umenyiora will be traded by week’s end (see rotoworld).

    Now, if so, here’s hoping Osi’s agent can coax a 2012 first-round pick as compensation. Can’t wait to get Osi off this team.

  122. Ray the Anti-Handle says:

    Swish sure has been busy out in right.

  123. bill says:

    Does it annoy anyone else that Thomas’ statue has Nike logos on the batting gloves?

  124. Cy Pettitte says:

    Phil gets his revenge

  125. Ray the Anti-Handle says:

    Also, loving those swinging strikes.

  126. dela g says:

    hughes is just mowing them down

    my god

  127. The Fallen Phoenix says:

    Holy crap. Being told repeatedly you suck when you know you suck isn’t going to make you improve? Damn, wish I had known that when I was booing Alex Rodriguez for five years!

    • HEY YOU THINK YOURE BETTER THAN ME DUNN YOURE NOT BETTER THAN ME YOU SUCK DUNN hey i need more beers is it the seventh inning already oh shit that broad has a great rack HEY BROAD YOU GOT A GREAT RACK

      • Guest says:


        Dunn: Man, tonight sucked. I was in between the fastball and the slider all night. Oh well, time to go home to my hot wife and young children.

        Maybe I’ll take a little dip in our pool of Benjamins, Scrooge McDuck style.

        Hope that fan that got his ass kicked by security is OK…

  128. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    I respect what Kay’s trying to say here, but there’s nothing that could make Dunn worse right now.

  129. Xstar7 says:

    Hughes is mowing ‘em down.

  130. JT says:

    Gotta love how YES showed Ramirez tripping on his own bat. +99

  131. MikeD says:

    Forty-seven pitches in four innings. Nice. Even the fly balls are not being hit hard. Right-handed batters late on the ball.

  132. Cy Pettitte says:

    Beckett gives up another HR, this time to Chisenhall

  133. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Lonnie. Chisenhall.

  134. Justin says:

    Guess the countdown is on for Manny if they’re showing his stats on Yankees game breaks.

    • Jorge says:

      It’s surprising to see the frequent updates. Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the production meeting in which they decided on that one.

  135. Justin says:

    Dear Michael Kay, never say “Thats how I roll” again. K, thanks

  136. jay h says:

    “cause that’s how i roll” wow Kay

  137. Mykey says:

    Haha nice Jeet. Kay eats lunch alone.

  138. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    God, Kay and Flash do such a poor job masking their disdain for each other.

  139. Mike HC says:

    hahah, I love how the former player commentators doing the games with Kay always think the absolute lowest of low of him.

    • AaronGuielWithASmile says:

      I think that O’Neill, Leiter and Singleton are generally joking around when they rip on Kay.

      It couldn’t be more obvious that he and Flaherty detest each other though.

  140. Guest says:

    Time to mute Kay and Flaherty.

    • Mike HC says:

      I thought that exchange was actually pretty good. Making fun of Kay seems to be the best way to get some entertainment out of the booth.

  141. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    C’mon Robbie, put this game away.

  142. MikeD says:

    Why do they always go for the guy at third? If Tex is the guy at first, then throw to second.

  143. karel capek says:

    David Cone will ride a stallion of truth over Micheal Kay wearing a porcupine hat of sabermetrics.

  144. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    love how Tex has 3 SB

  145. dela g says:

    wow, double steal with tex at first?

    jeebus it aint your night

  146. Jesse says:

    So, say Hughes pitches 7 or 8 innings, and allows two runs or fewer. I think we can all agree that Hughes would keep his spot. So with that in mind does Nova (or Hughes if someone still thinks that he doesn’t deserve a rotaton spot) go to AAA for at least the rest of the month so they can be called up in September for a possible spot on the postseason roster? Or would they go to the bullpen??

  147. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    wow 7% voted for Brackman. 7%!!

  148. The Fallen Phoenix says:

    YEAH BRACKMAN. All those troll votes got him above 5%.

  149. It looks like Phil Hughes doesn’t suck/is done, contrary to popular belief.

  150. Cy Pettitte says:

    today I learned 7% of Toyota Text Poll voters are friends/relatives of Andrew Brackman

  151. Guest says:

    I’m surprised 7% of the general Yankee fan population is even aware of the existence of Adam Warren.

  152. Xstar7 says:

    I took great satisfaction from the fact that today’s GE Partner Play came from the Yankees.

  153. Jerome S. says:

    Hughes for the CGSO.

  154. Jim S says:

    An EIGHT pitch inning! Eight! For Hughes!

  155. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    Phil Huge

  156. Justin says:

    I wish Alex Rios played to his potential. I saw him coming up in AA in New Haven and was a great guy, very friendly then. Though recently my father was at a baseball dinner where John McDonald of the Blue Jays was the guest speaker (the Blue Jays player who ARod yelled “HA” to in 07) , and when asked about Rios, he flat out said Rios got lazy and complacent.

  157. Jorge says:

    Hughes making me proud.

  158. Ray the Anti-Handle says:

    Ouch, not a good night for Mr. Jones.

  159. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    can someone please get me the splits for Posada? I need that information for a morning meeting with Bill Lumberg.

  160. hogsmog says:

    I’m Michael Kay and my favorite stats are wins and hits per last 20 at-bats.

  161. MikeD says:

    Uhh, Michael. Danks is a good pitcher. Was Danks even on the market?

  162. CMP says:

    Phil saying a big F U tonight to all those Yankees fans (me included) who think they don’t have any front end starters behind CC.

  163. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Wallace Matthews is so fucking stupid…

    • CMP says:

      Back in the day when he covered boxing, he was actually pretty good. As for baseball, I don’t think he knows shit.

    • MikeD says:

      I refuse to ever click on a Wally Matthews story and I think all Yankee fans should do the same.

      What stupid thing is he saying, or what what horrible thing has he focused on in a Yankee winning game so far?

    • Xstar7 says:

      I refuse to click on that link. Wally Matt doesn’t deserve the page views.

      • Xstar7 says:

        I’ll probably save a few brain cells too.

      • MikeD says:

        ESPN assigns Gordon Edes to cover the Red Sox, and he writes nothing by love stories. ESPN assigns Wally Matthews to cover the Yankees, and he writes crap about the team.

        I’m the same. I will not contribute any page views.

        • tom says:

          It seems to be accepted practice in journalism that the only people qualified to write about the Yankees are Yankee-haters. I think just about every sports columnist for the Times has at some point written how he grew up loving the Dodgers/Giants/Mets and thus hated the Yanks. You’d think there was some genetic flaw in Yankee fans that made them all lousy writers.

          • V says:

            And the writers that DID grow up Yankee fans (Keith Law, for example) have purposefully become objective as they got jobs in or writing about the game.

    • Jorge says:

      See…..I never, ever, go to sites like that. It’s not worth it.

  164. Justin says:

    Reading articles by Wallace Matthews is the intellectual equivalent of punching yourself in the junk until you pass out.

    • James A says:

      Matthews and O’Connor are to covering NY sports what Skip Bayless and Colin Cowherd are to talking about all sports. Loud, dumb and wrong

      • Jorge says:

        I actually love Colin Cowherd. I don’t agree with him all the time, but I find him hugely entertaining. I love when he tears into Yankee-haters by telling them the Yankees simply matter more than their team does.

  165. tom says:

    Danks (granted, half an inning ahead) has thrown twice as many pitches as Phil.

    Which is actually a comedown from last night, when, at some point, Peavy had thrown 3 times as many as CC.

  166. Mojo says:

    What’s Gardner’s split against lefties?

  167. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    How long do you think Kay’s been saving that “riding the L train” joke for?

  168. hogsmog says:

    Wait how many winds does Nova have again??

  169. Karl Krawfid says:

    Nova has that I’m going back to Scranton look.

  170. JT says:

    Unfortunately, Hughes’ velocity in the first inning may give the Yankees reason to use him in the bullpen…

    • Justin says:

      I’d actually be okay with Hughes in the bullpen for the playoff run if it comes to it. But as much as I love watching Colon and Garcia, I still have a large amount of doubts both will last into the postseason.

  171. James A says:

    Johnny Vander Meer can breath a sigh of relief, Ervin Santana gave up 2 hits in the second
    (well he could if he were alive)

  172. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    64 pitches through 6?

    He’ll have 9 wins in no time!

  173. sangreal says:

    Well the White Sox certainly don’t have a problem hitting with RISP tonight

  174. Xstar7 says:

    Hughes is dominating these motherfuckers.

  175. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    ERA below 7…its falling faster than a ten cent hooker’s pants on double coupon night.

  176. Pastadivingarod says:

    Hughes has been fantastic
    Time for Aj to slip in the shower.

  177. V says:

    I’d be ready for the ‘Hughes to the 8th! Jokes’ except that they make me sad about Joba.

  178. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    Anybody else think that US Cellular Field is unbelievably dark and depressing looking?

    I think it looks worse on TV than any stadium aside from the Trop

  179. Jorge says:

    You could clearly see Phil Hughes mouth “Hester Prynne, suck my nuts” while walking back to the dugout.

  180. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    It looks like even AJ can dominate this lineup.

  181. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    Jeter is swinging the bat great recently (even though that liner was right at de Aza)

  182. V says:

    Ugh, ugly swing at the high fastball.

  183. Jorge says:

    It must suck to be Mully and Hanley in the Morning.

  184. Pastadivingarod says:

    Post season starters


    Mo closer
    Sori set up
    Robertson fireman
    Hughes righty power arm
    Banulos lefty power arm
    Romero loogy

  185. Esteban says:


  186. Karl Krawfid says:

    Both sides of the plate.

  187. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    2 Tex Messages!!

  188. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    You’re on the Mark, Tiexeira!

  189. Cy Pettitte says:

    we’re gonna get stuck with some overages soon for all these Tex messages…..

  190. Jorge says:

    Tex smells .260, baby.

  191. Nickel says:

    I want Phil Hughes to succeed so badly because I was at this game and it was by far my favorite Trenton Thunder game out of the many that I’ve attended. I’ll never forget it: http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....38;t=g_box

  192. Xstar7 says:

    What? I was told Tex only knew how to pop up and strike out on change ups…..

  193. I Voted 4 Kodos says:

    Don’t look now, but Tex is getting hot. We all know what he can do when he gets on a roll. Me like.

  194. Chen Ming Wang says:

    New around here, but damn Phil has looked good tonight…A lot of fly balls to right field but nothing seems to be hit that hard, and he doesn’t look like he’s in “chuck-and-duck” mode…it looks like he’s confident in his pitch selection. I mean the White Sox don’t have the best offense but still Hughes made the A’s offense look good.

    PS. I’m a free agent next year, lookin at you Cashman.

  195. Jorge says:


  196. Karl Krawfid says:

    Brennan Boesch > Mike Adams

  197. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    I wish that one drunk guy who keeps yelling would go home.

  198. mbonzo says:

    Just got home, anyone got a little scouting report on Hughes tonight?

  199. Ray the Anti-Handle says:

    A walk and a steal from Robbie? Bizarre.

  200. Pastadivingarod says:

    Just a little high lol

  201. YankeesJunkie says:

    Just got in and MLB TV has blacked me out. How has Hughes looked?

    Also a nice game for Tex thus far.

    • The Fallen Phoenix says:

      Like a tank.

    • sangreal says:

      The sox have yet to touch second base. No walks, 95mph, 3 weak grounders. I’d say pretty good

    • Chen Ming Wang says:

      He’s actually looked good, not over powering, though he’s touched 95 a couple times. But he’s kept the White Sox off balance and has stayed ahead in the count. This is gonna sound cliche as shit but you can get away in the MLB at 91-93 if you locate it well and mix up your pitches.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      It sounds that Hughes has added some more velocity since his last couple starts and has been able to maintain it better throughout the game which is great. Hughes has probably earned himself a couple more starts so it might be best to demote Nova to AAA until the next DH and re-evaluate at that point.

  202. BK2ATL says:

    Looks like someone lit a fire under Hughes, and he has responded. The soap opera continues. I’m liking his aggressiveness, finally driving and locating his fastball again.

    If Nova does the same this week, now what?

    I like this dilemma.

  203. AaronGuielWithASmile says:

    Are we gonna get to see Brian Bruney and his Nazi tattoos this inning?

  204. Ivan says:

    Holy Crap, Brian Bruney is alive?!?!

  205. Jorge says:

    Not that he was a great Yankee or anything, but Bruney’s one of those guys who looks wrong in any other uniform.

  206. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Bruney has 1 win. Hughes has 1 win. Bruney = Hughes.

  207. Adam says:

    Wow…Hawk Harrelson just rooting for the ball to go foul.

  208. Esteban says:

    Hughes cut his hair. That’s what happened. He’s the anti-Sampson.

  209. Pastadivingarod says:

    Hughes has stuff that can be shut down in the pen
    Nova horrible in the pen

  210. Cy Pettitte says:

    rain delay probably means Hughes is done, that sucks.

  211. Esteban says:

    Ha, my brother is a weatherman in Chicago and he told me there would be another delay. Pretty good prediction.

  212. V says:

    FUCK THIS RAIN. Bah. An amazing start by Hughes cut short.

  213. sangreal says:

    Stupid fake 45 minute rain delay is going to deprive Hughes of his CGSO

  214. Jerome S. says:

    Is this shit for real.

  215. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    just call the game. seriously.

  216. The Fallen Phoenix says:

    Figure if not for the bone-headed delay at the start, the game’d be over by now and they wouldn’t be dealing with this right now.

  217. Pastadivingarod says:

    There goes hughes

  218. Chen Ming Wang says:

    Bruney might not have had a great career as a yankee but I find it hard not to like the guy. Plus he does have one win and we all know about how important the Win is for pitchers.

    funny off topic story real quick I remember I was listening to the Micheal Kay Show one day and he was defending the Randy Johnson signing as a great one and he said “He might have had a 5+ ERA but he had 17 wins, the man pitched to the score board, he knew how to win games while he was here.”

  219. BK2ATL says:

    Not for nothing, but trade deadline Hall of Famer Mike Adams just got tagged for a HR by the 2nd batter (Brandon Boesch) he faced as a Ranger.

    Welcome to the difference between the NL West and the AL.

    #Rangers’ Adams had allowed only 5 HRs in last 151 2/3 innings with #Padres. Allowed one to Boesch, 2nd hitter he faced as a Ranger.”

  220. Jetrer says:

    Red Sox sideline reporter is much hotter than Yankees sideline reporter
    Maybe we can trade Kim Jones for her

  221. forensic says:

    Looks like it’s probably just me, but I still wasn’t overly impressed by this start from Hughes. All fastballs, very few curves or changes. Tons of pitches up and over the middle of the plate, just a bad offense who helped even more by swinging at some terrible pitches.

    There might be a little bias, and it’ll probably be even worse if Nova gets hit a bit on Thursday, but that’s still the way I’d go.

    • V says:

      I wish the RABers would just IP ban this troll already.

      • Chen Ming Wang says:

        I really wish the did pitch by pitch updates so I could shut him up with some stats/knowledge/facts but alas they don’t.

      • forensic says:

        Huh??? How am I a troll? I’ve been here a long time. God forbid someone have an opinion outside the groupthink that constantly happens here. Sorry for having seen more improvement and better results from Nova than Hughes.

        Geez, overreact much?

        • Chen Ming Wang says:

          Overall this year, yeah Nova has been better but to say this wasn’t a good outing by Phil is just wrong. When I said shut you up I meant about Hughes who I feel from watching this game had a very good outing. He was up in the zone a little with the fast ball but he threw more/better breaking balls then you are giving him credit for.

          • forensic says:


            6 changeups and 4 curves in 64 pitches, without a single swing and miss. That’s not enough against a good offense.

            And I didn’t say it wasn’t a good outing. It was fine, did what he had to do against a poor offense, just still not overly impressed by much of it. The velo was better, which is a start, but the location didn’t impress me and the invisibility of consistent secondary pitches is still an issue.

            • Adam Parker says:

              They never hit his fastball… you don’t throw anything else until they prove they can hit it. He was on a freakin’ roll.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      In general though Hughes has better hit and miss stuff than Nova.

    • The Fallen Phoenix says:

      Plus fastballs are the worst pitches and should be thrown as infrequently as possible.

      • forensic says:

        I don’t know if I’d called a fastball averaging 92.5, with what is apparently not much movement, a plus pitch. Especially since even with that average, the velo dropped several mph since the start of the game. Based on a rough look at his velo graph, he’s only gotten to 93 once since around the 30 pitch mark.

        • Ray the Anti-Handle says:

          For what it’s worth, according to Gameday, he hit 93-94 six times after his 30th pitch and once was in the 5th inning. It was a downward trend though. Also, just to pick one of Hughes’ better starts from last year (4/21 near no-hitter vs Oakland) to compare 4-seam fastballs:

          4/21/10: 92.55 (avg), 94.1 (max), -5.99 (avg h-break), 10.58 (avg v-break), -2.8225 (linear weights)
          8/02/11: 92.52 (avg), 95.1 (max), -4.76 (avg h-break), 9.57 (avg v-break), -3.4803 (linear weights)

          What it means? I’m not really sure since I’m not an expert on pitch movement/break. Just throwing it out there.

  222. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Call the game.

  223. Cuso says:

    Stupid thing is that Hughes won’t come out after the delay & only threw 65 pitches.


    Can’t qualify as a full step forward – merely a stutter-step forward.

  224. BK2ATL says:

    That sucks for Hughes. He was headed for a CGSO. Now he’s headed for the showers. Great bounceback, kid. Make it a tough decision for Girardi.

    2nd time in a week that the rain literally rained on a Yankee pitching n fire. CC had a no-no going until…

  225. CUYanks says:

    Hey we may still get the Hughes CGSO. All that matters now is that we have an official game. Very positive outing.

  226. CUYanks says:

    I know this is random, but there’s a fan at the Mariners game who is dressed and looks almost exactly like Ichiro, sitting field level near Ichiro in RF. Even funnier, he just interfered with an Ackley triple and got ejected from the game.

    • Foghorn Leghorn says:

      that sounds like that old coot in Tampa that looks just like Joe Maddon.

      • CUYanks says:

        Philosophical question. Does a true Yankees and baseball fan root for the game to be called and get the win, or for the entire game to be played in order to enjoy the full experience?

        • Xstar7 says:

          I think it depends on the circumstance. Today the game was all but out of reach for the White Sox, and with the frustration of the first rain delay of this game (where there was no rain) I just wanted it to be over with.

  227. Milli Vanilli says:

    Blame it on the Rain, yeah, yeah!

    Blame it on the Rain, yeah, yeah!

    ‘Cause the rain don’t mind…and the rain don’t care…

  228. Erica says:

    Did the YES Network seriously not sell any other commercial space tonight? Enough with that quitting smoking commercial already. I feel out of breath every time it comes on.

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      It was part of the bailout they spent a million per commercial.

    • Chen Ming Wang says:

      And,as a smoker it doesn’t make me want to quit anymore, and I don’t feel bad for the man because he knew what he was doing. Whether smoking was advertised as good or bad when he was younger you know that what your doing isn’t good for you every time you light up.

      • Erica says:

        Yeah, exactly. Everyone’s responsible for their own actions. I smoke on and off, and honestly, I know what I’m getting into so something like this doesn’t scare me. The frequency of these commercials, however, makes me all crazy-like and I keep wanting to run FOR my pack of cigarettes.

        I’ll take the cheesy Edge commercials any day!

    • Chen Ming Wang says:

      And,as a smoker it doesn’t make me want to quit any more than I already do, and I don’t feel bad for the man because he knew what he was doing. Whether smoking was advertised as good or bad when he was younger you know that what your doing isn’t good for you every time you light up.

  229. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Youk is such a prick…

  230. Delaware - Ralph says:

    Bye Bye Youk! Ya damn baby, stop whining!

  231. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    Its pretty sad to see a guy who has been in the leauge as long as Youk get tossed for arguing balls and strikes. Very childish.

    oh..that’s right, he’s gritty. my bad.

  232. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Damn it I missed it. What happened?

    • Delaware - Ralph says:

      assuming you are talking about Youk? he got thrown out arguing with the 1st base ump on a check swing for strike 3. The ump let him vent but he started up again right before he entered the dugout and thats when he got tossed.

  233. Hall and Nokes says:

    Bottom line is, Hughes failed to go 7 tonight. AAA it is.

  234. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Salty PRing? oh lord…

  235. Cy Pettitte says:

    Hughes CGSO, right?

  236. teddy says:

    yanks win, cg for hughes, question is does teix get credit for his 30 hr

  237. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Question: Why is Papelbon’s FIP so much lower than his ERA 3.50 ERA / 1.90 FIP. Is it because of the awful BABIP and mediocre strand rate?

  238. BK2ATL says:

    They called it. We win!!! 1st place, maybe???

  239. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    ballgame over!

  240. Cy Pettitte says:

    fucking Indians

  241. Delaware - Ralph says:

    Fuck them! I’m excited for this weekend but will keep it in perspective.

  242. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    fucking Ellsbury

  243. Mister Delaware says:

    Wow. Yadier really one upped Youkilis there. Ten upped him or something.

  244. Cuso says:

    ooh that sucks! Tex’s 2nd homer has to come off the books.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      No, it doesn’t. They announced that all the stats count. Why? I dunno. Sometimes it seems like baseball makes up rules as they go.

    • Mister Delaware says:

      This helps me in my HR Pool.

      • CUYanks says:

        Because the Yankees didn’t take the lead in that inning, the game is over and the stats all count. If they had taken the lead, they would have had to suspend the game (the HR would still count). A few years back, they would have reverted to the last fully completed inning, so if Teix had hit a go ahead shot it would have come off the books.

        Someone correct me if I’m wrong. I just remember that it used to be ridiculous when a team was leading 3-2 with a 2-run hr in the top of the 7th they could lose 2-1 if the bottom wasn’t completed. Now, they just favor a bunch of suspended games.

  245. dela g says:

    woohooo, game called

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