The comments were broken in the original thread for some reason. Let’s straighten things out with a fresh thread.
It is the plague of bunting.
Trying to out-stupid the angels.
I’m getting that shirt even if it’s the last thing I do.
AJ looking pretty sharp so far.
I think that’s why the first thread broke, the internet was expecting to be fed a whole bunch of posts consisting of the words “damnit” “throw” “strikes” and “AJ” in any order and when it didn’t get it the thread went haywire.
except for that fucking hair… i mean, DAAAAMN dude! you make $17M a year and have a smoking hot wife. someone in your life MUST be able to tell you that looking like a tweaker is not the best attack plan.
*disclaimer: if he puts up a quality start, then I rescind all of the above.
his hair is awesome!!
anyone have a picture of AJ’s hair in this game? I tried to find it rewinding my MLB.tv but it was too much work
just rewind to dugout shots. it will stick out like a sore thumb… trust
I got these warts on my thumb…suggestions?
Stop sticking your thumb in…well, you know.
“swbyankeesTT SWB Yankees Blog
Montero is going the other way, with power. Worth noting that ball he hit to track for last out last night would’ve been 5 rows back at YS.”
It has to happen eventually, right?
Hopefully before September call-ups
I’ve not been paying attention much since the deadline.
What’s the current reason he’s still in 3A?
The Yankees don’t want to demote Ayala or Noesi? I have no friggin’ clue.
They don’t want to slap Jorge in the face by taking away his catching, and his spot in the line up away, and then calling up the kid the want to replace him long term right in front of his face.
Is it baseball smart? not at all, but it’s the only reason I can think of.
Jorge has caught exactly zero games this year.
Same reason he was still there on May 15th. Because the organization has no guts to do what they should to Posada (or basically any other senior player).
Who do you send down? I think he’ll be up as soon as this 6 man rotation thing is done. You’ll probably see Nova “sent down” after the double header and Montero will be brought up then so they can put him on the postseason roster if they want
Since Posada no longer has any role on the team, getting rid of him would be the logical move.
Unfortunately, that won’t happen.
Man the Angel announcers really do not like Gardner at alll…
Most complaining player in baseball!!!
Have they not seen Kevin Youkilis?
Pedroia would like a word as well.
So would David Ortiz
So would Swisher.
I have a couple of Angel fan friends who think Gardner is terrible, but Bourgeous is the second coming.
Bourgeois is an Astro. Bourjos is an Angel.
Maybe they are female friends and they think Bourjos is gorgeous…
What did/do they say about him? I mean what is not to like about him?
In the first inning, they said they’ve never seen someone with anything close to his MLB time complain about every single pitch the way he does. In his second AB, they were just completely confused about what he was doing with the bunts or trying for hits, etc.
He probably gets on base too much for their liking.
Well, at least they’re making Haren work
Is this comment nesting properly?
They seem to be working for everyone else. Did you try to reply to someone with this?
seems to work.
thanks gardner really awful at bat, ruined the inning
looks to be
damn, Torii Hunter is hitting. well, 1 out of 9 aint bad.
Hell of a play by Swisher, Abreu would have made that a homer.
Nice catch by swish but very ballsy move by Hunter there.
I smell bad AJ in this game later on.
Trumbo’s ball was not even hit hard.
For AJ you don’t necessarily need to hit it hard against him. I hate AJ with a one run lead.
It’s when he has a 13 run lead that you have to be nervous.
What about that lead he had in Cleveland not that long ago when he was dealin’ then? How’d he finish that game off?
I thought you hated being a pessimist? He’s looked very good so far. Honestly, try believing good things will happen and they actually might
god, just shut up and let me have an opinion.
and believe it or not, i had the yankees as a lock to win the series in boston. i say one negative thing and you assume i have a bad attitude.
Not a bad attitude, just a very over anxious attitude. It’s like your waiting for the other shoe to drop constantly…that’s no way to watch a baseball game…how can you enjoy the game just waiting for a blow up?
It’s AJ Burnett….
I understand, and he’s been at best average all season, but he’s got the skill set to be awesome. As long as he’s pitching to his top ability lets just ride with it. Besides Hunter in the second, I don’t think a runner has been further than third base yet.
first base yet****
I should really start proof reading my posts.
“he’s got the skill set to be awesome. As long as he’s pitching to his top ability lets just ride with it.”
You have no idea how many times I’ve heard that about AJ Burnett. You are definitely not the first one to say that and you will certainly not be the last.
your totally right, but every once in a while he has an awesome start, and he’s kind of due for one…I hope so at least. Either way, we are going to need more than one run to win this game…
well, every pitcher in the game can have an awesome stuff once an awhile.
Believe it or not, but I’ve watched AJ Burnett for a really long time and this game has him losing it all over it. Just watch the game. I can watch the baseball game however the hell I want to. You’re not my mom.
AJ will pitch great if we believe in him.
AJ is dealin’
Coming back from the break, the Angel announcer says:
“El Polo Loco, Enjoy the Mexilence”
I can’t wait until AJ goes on a roll, and we get to credit the hairstyle.
I am totally down with that idea.
I’m totally on board with this idea.
Why is Hunter playing so deep? Anything that goes over his head is probably a homer.
To get glasses
Swish juuuuust missed it
On the whole A-Rod injury thing: My dad got the same surgery the exact same day as Alex. While recovery is notoriously fast, my dad is still limping and sometimes resorts to a cane.
A-Rod is running bases and taking ground balls.
In case you hadn’t yet realized, A-Rod’s athleticism is pretty other-worldly.
A-rod’s in his mid 30′s. Your dad is…?
If your dad is anything like the other 99.9999% of humans, he SHOULD still be limping and feeling pain. Professional athletes are a completely different breed.
They don’t call A-Rod a Centaur for nothing.
I’m 42 and had the surgery March 29th. By April 10 I was walking with no limp and by early May was back to full strength. Whatever the opposite of a world class athlete is, I’m that. I think age is the big factor. As long you’re in reasonably good shape, my surgeon said, you’re back at full strength at 6-8 weeks.
If A-Rod had gotten that Stem-Cell treatment, he supposedly would have recovered in about a week!
LOL at the guy trying to pay Torii Hunter for getting his glasses.
what just happened im watching the game on mute
some dude dropped his glasses onto the field, and when Hunter went to give them back the guy(obviously drunk) tried to give him money
Now if the game could just stay 1-0
Haren is on my fantasy team and I just can’t start pitchers against the Yankees.
Please call up Montero.
Definitely not feeling comfortable with a one-run lead. Not that I feel AJ is going to blow up, but you can’t really count on any pitcher to hold that kind of line.
Cum onnnnn if it was cc u wudnt have posted that
Because CC is better than AJ Burnett. There’s like maybe, at the most, ten pitchers you can count on to hold a one run lead: Doc, Clifton, CC, Lincecum, Kershaw, Felix, Verlander, and Lester are about the only ones I can think of.
Because CC >>> AJ
CC is a rare exception. Even then, not sure if I’d feel entirely comfortable with just one run. Shutouts, even if for just 6 or 7 innings, are really hard dude.
At risking him, in fairness to AJ most pitchers you can’t expect to hold a one run lead.
Well looks like I did jynx it for now.
One takes roids, the other just eats
I think this thread is starting to break too.
OMG NUNEZ SUCKS
Well that just sucks!
Yeah, you had no business throwing that ball Eduardo…nice play to get to it, but put it in your pocket.
Brace yourself for the implosion.
Don’t say that or else Chen Meng Wang will think you have a bad attitude, and thats no way to watch a baseball game!
Chien Ming Wang would know about bad attitudes. That ankle injury ruined his Yankee career.
wow. Nunez had ZERO business throwing that ball to Teix. be glad you prevented extra bases and put it in your pocket.
Good call by the ump
I think managers should be required to wear the same uniform as their team, enormous whale bellies be damned.
I disgree. I think they should be forced to wear cocktail dresses. that will keep Ozzie Guillien’s ass in line and off the field!
Guillen acting like an assclown is entertaining though!
burnett can’t get scrubs out
They execute-we don’t. So far.
Here I would actually support a bunt in that situation.
We’re at shitcon four. Repeat to all troll stations: The AJ implosion meter is now at shitcon four.
AJ’s Cuban Missle Implosion
Heads up play by both Tex and Martin
Nice play by the runner on third to allow people to move up to second and third, but nice play by Teixeira and Martin to prevent a run from scoring. Great play by just about everyone involved.
Good play but should have gotten Aybar at 2nd.
I fucking love Mark Teixeira.
“In the past there have been first baseman that wouldn’t throw the ball home.”
take away the politically correctness “Jason Giambi wouldn’t have thrown the ball home.”
Mark Teixeira is……wait for it……wait for it…….
Giambi with a better glove
You don’t think he can hit for a higher average than ‘roidless Giambi?
He used to, but…
Giambi’s NYY BA: .260
Tex’s NYY BA: .268 and dropping
Very nice A.J.
Yeah, that was really “driven”.
Nice job by Burnett getting out of jam not entirely his fault.
Bourojs struck out, but the ump called it a foul tip.
Martin saves AJ!!! Great stops on those 55 foot curves.
Umm, that’s Martin’s job. AJ did exactly what he was supposed to do, stop taking credit from him.
meanwhile, guess how many of those 55 footers Posada stopped in 2009 and 2010?
heres a hint. like none of em
Shit, well played AJ. I hate you slightly less after that frame.
PHEW… Burnett making us sweat through one of his better starts of the season
AJ in position for a win after 5? Pull him before it’s too late!!!
butbutbutbutbutbut…. ITS AUGUST!!!!!!
God, it’s a My9 game, open the skies and have a rain shortened game. It’ll make me look good for defending AJ all night against Jesse lol.
He got out of it and has done well tonight. One more inning is all we need from him and then we can go to SoRoMo. Just hope Joe doesn’t leave AJ in too long.
People I don’t want running at me while waving a baseball over their head: Russ Martin.
think jesus could chase down izturis?
Doesn’t really matter, there was a guy standing on third
If he can walk on water, he can outrun Maicier Izturis.
he could turn a rain delay into a… wine delay?
shit, I got nothin
He will die for our sins of trying to predict baseball.
He would’ve tossed to Nunez soon enough for him to tag him and throw to 2nd for the DP…
I think most people want him DHed and the back up catcher.
Doesn’t matter since there was a guy on third. Most catchers can’t chase down other position players.
College Dorms completely blow, why are the assholes at Target selling them as something other than christfuckingly awful? Yeah, there’s a smell that’s been there longer than you’ve been alive, some asshole down the hall that won’t turn down his fucking music, several assholes with athletes foot that refuse to wear shower shoes, and some douche bag that think’s it’s perfectly acceptable to walk around in a towel. Fuck that shit, I got my own place in college and never looked back.
you sound fun
A few pointers:
A.) You can have waaaaaaaaay more fun at your own place. Even if your CA/RA is cool, the hall director could still show up and break your balls in dorms. Or, often times one hall’s CA/RA is cool but a neighboring one is a fucking asshole.
B.) Don’t have parties at your own place. College kids are fucking assholes that steal shit at house parties, break shit, can’t hold their liquor, don’t feel as if empty beer cans should be in the trash can, and tend to not want to leave if they pass out on your couch…let alone help you clean up.
C.) Most people say “YOU MEET SOOO MANY PEEPUL IN DORMS!!!!!” Somewhat true, you do meet a lot of people, but a lot of them are the same assholes that I just described above. Class is a good place to meet someone, and it gives you an obvious reason to hangout with them.
D.) Get a fucking fake ID so you can have some real fun.
there is alot more tail wandering around college dorms than there is in my moderately priced middle class home out in the country.
athletes foot and some shit brick in a towel is a small price to pay. trust
Yeah, that varies campus to campus. Campuses where the dude/chick ratio is shit, there are…but mostly they’re either girlfriends or disease ridden. I got an apartment off campus, not only was there plenty of tail there, the tail was often better looking than the trash in the dorms. Furthermore, if you can fix stuff around a house you become VERY popular.
go to college in Brooklyn, FTW!
Have apartment, avoid dorms, tail wandering everywhere.
That’s another option too…there’s plenty of campuses in big cities, get an apartment there, have the luxuries of a college campus and be able to sleep till four and not have some asshole wandering into your place and think he’s your friend.
Pft college dorms aren’t ACTUALLY like that. I loved my dorm (then again I had a single room) but virtually everyone i know loved living in the dorm. On a side note, I was always that guy with the loud music but totally fine turning down the music (as almost everyone is).
Angels announcers said that’s the 26th time they’ve put the first two runners on base in a inning and didn’t score, making it sound like that’s a high number.
Anyone know if BR’s play index could tell how many times the Yanks have done that? I’m curious.
Considering they’re 12th in the league in OBP, 26 times is an awful waste. The Yankees can afford to blow opportunities like that better than the Angels.
26 times sounds like a 2 week homestand for the Yankees
Jesus went yard again tonight, oposite field too
Still fixing his Fenway swing.
That ball was not very well struck.
It was Orel who said that. Then they said Scutaro’s ball was crushed and only the Monster saved Mariano.
Bedard 4 walks in the first inning. Muhaha.
Your typical 37 pitch inning.
Aceves’ elbow is getting nervous with Bedard on the roster…
Haha, one person I was talking to before the deadline wanted the Yankees to pick up Bedard, I think it would’ve been a terrible move…and I think it’s going to be a bad move for the Sox as well.
Erik Bedard is a paper tiger.
Bedaaaaaaahd!!!! Yer a BUM! Get ‘im outta theeeeaaah!
Sorry, I forgot they’re playing in Minnie.
Twins up 2-0 top two. Still WAYYYYYY early in that one with the left handed Burnett on the mound in Francisco Liriano.
Liriano is more like a left handed Garcia (circa 2010 of course). A guy who just doesn’t have the same stuff after major surgery and still trying to figure it out
ok, then who is a left handed Burnett?
Jonathan Sanchez? Great stuff, walks a lot of guys
That’s wierd, Abreu swings at alot of first pitches but still has a walk rate near 15%…
That’s weird, A.J Burnett give up a lead in the latter innings…
For real though…who do you hate more me, for having a different opinion than you, or AJ, for existing?
It’s just one pitch but fuck…nice rebound getting hunter there though.
NOOO AJ YOU WERE DOING SO WELL
Burnett literally gets no breaks on homers this year.
Aj gave him a cookie and bobby killed it
I think Bobby misses that wall
thanks burnett, get the pen up, he gotta blow it.
Like I said…
AJ in position for a win after 5? Pull him before it’s too late!!!
Well that was quite the Yankee Stadium special
It still counts, and that’s just what AJ does. If you’ve gotten in the position to win and he hasn’t made his typical mistakes yet (which always get crushed), then you take it and try to get through the rest of the innings.
Just get through the inning and we’ll hand it over to Soriano. I think we can get another run. Just don’t blow up, AJ.
Momentarily confused by the spill-over thread for a Tuesday night game and so early.
Hopefully my late arrival hasn’t brought bad luck, not that I beleive in such things. (Knocks on virtual wood.)
ummm AJ just gave up a homer and hasnt thrown a strike since.
so thanks for coming
AJ gave up a run just as you enter
Now he completely shit the bed.
OMG IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT!!!!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!one!!!!!!!!1!1!1!1uno!!
call me crazy but i think regardless of what AJ does frome here on out the Yankees dont pick him up. Soriano gets the win
Why is that when AJ pitches well he gets no run support?
well except for those 13 runs in Chicago
Don’t fix the narrative.
my bad. forgot to read the by-laws
He didn’t pitch well in that game at all. He’s dealing today.
You could also ask: Why when AJ gets run support does he suck so much?
Because he loves to spite Yankee fans?
he most certainly didn’t pitch well that day
*pitches well* he didn’t pitch well in that game at all.
The higher the leverage the straighter that fastball gets.
Boston’s new gritty savior just walked 4 and gave up 2 runs in the first inning.
We’re on a shitcon two now. Repeat, shitcon two. You hearin’ this shit Kay??
wow, Grandersons throw was rather Damon-esque there.
I love granderson’s bat but man his arm is really terrible
Angels being very aggressive on the base paths.
What else they got?
A bunch of names in the outfield that used to be really good.
i HATE HATE HATE the IBB on Izturis there. feel like that may bite them, like it so often does.
yup, with a guy who always has trouble throwing strikes and bringing up a guy who’s a big threat for at least an IF single or forcing an error, any of which would then load the bases for the same guy who can’t throw strikes.
“So, In Angel history, you had Trout and Salmon in the outfield….”
that happened. Thanks My9…
No, Thank you Michael Kay.
Big pitch right here.
And he walks the bases loaded…AJ I’m trying to defend you here, but your not making it easy at all.
you’re finally realizing why I said he’d blow up?
Aj is suck mode
his permanent condition.
We got a Shitcon One up in this bitch!
Hey look the int walk backfired..that never happens
Jesus, pull this motherfucker, NOW!!!
this is why burnett a loser . compare to other mlb pitchers
If he can’t get out a .180 hitter in this big spot he should get booed off the field and sent right to the bullpen.
Bases clearing trple coming up here.
double… but we get it.
throw his fat ass out
Blessing in disguise? If the Angels put a left hander you got to put in Logan or Wade, don’t you?
Good Bye Mike…kind of agree with Paulie here though, ignore the manager unless he says the magic words.
Scioscia and the Gooch can only be arguing about who the bigger tool is. I’m not sure who’s right.
Mike Sciosa: GREAT manager
fucking Mathis? fuck you AJ.
Mother fucker! Pull him.
BOO THIS PIECE OF GARBAGE OFF THE FIELD AND SEND HIM TO THE PEN! I’M SICK OF THIS SHIT.
and BOOM burnett implodes
Are you fucking kidding me? Thats about as inexcusable as it gets.
typical fucking AJ, snatch another shitty start from the jaws of a good performance
What the FUCK!
My bad didnt see the ball bouncing over the wall in my vision
Jeff Mathis???????iopyukm nbfxgrtse657890-]p
Yankees need to IBB every terrible hitter for now on.
Intentional walk comes back to bite us…
and the AJ Fail….honestly though if he gets out of this allowing 3 runs, not terrible, just worse than Haren.
……we all saw this coming……..
why the fuck is he still pitching
Girardi didn’t get anyone up until the bases were loaded.
and thats completely inexcusable
its not like an AJ meltdown is unforeseeable
its practically guaranteed
Girardi’s an optimist like many of AJ’s supporters posting regularly here. Or maybe he’s just stuck with him. More like it, no?
Isn’t that the definition of insanity?
Shocking… Was the extra one inning really worth the inevitable suckfest just waiting to happen???
Hey Chen Meng Wang, this is why I said he’d blow up. Idk if you’ve ever watched him before, but this is what AJ Burnett is and what he’s always been.
yea if you take out the games he’s pitched well, this is what he is
If you take out the games he’s pitched badly, he’d be a cinch for the Cy Young. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way.
I have, and you know what, for the most part you are right. But we’re stuck with this guy for better or worse. I always hope for the best and expect the worst in everything…In AJ’s defense though if this was any other pitcher on our staff we would be getting on the offense for not giving him any run support as much as the pitcher for having a bad inning.
Don’t give me that lack of run support schtick. That should no longer be an excuse for him when he fails to finish five with a 13 run lead in Chicago.
I’m talking about tonight…who how he would’ve been if he’d gotten runs tonight. AJ is very mediocre, he will always be. But we’re stuck with him…lets just hope to god he doesn’t come out for the 7th.
Call DOD! Send in the paratroopers! Bomb Moscow!!!
so can FTLT defend this crappy performance??
he’s so dreamy???
I’m paraphrasing, but you get it
It’s the tattoos.
She actually gave up supporting him a turn or two ago too.
Well let’s just leave him in to blow the entire fucking game. Fucking awful.
We knew this would happen. We’ve seen it time and time again. Joe left him out there to get the .180 hitter and he couldn’t do it. TAKE HIM OUT OF THE ROTATION. Do you want this guy pitching in big spots in October?
Well, he wasn’t going to pitch in big spots in October anyway.
Burnett often looks somewhat decent in the start of game but come the middle innings just becomes absolutely awful. Anyone think he might start to tire around 80-90 innings?
haha. Nova and AJ did a Freaky Friday body switch. AJ ended up with ‘cant get through the 3rd time of the lineup’.
cut AJ and Posada right now…they both suck ass
No hustle russell
Motherfucking AJ Burnett….
Yankees have 6 good relievers and yet they refuse to put any in.
Man, I can’t believe that I saw this coming…..
whoa… the internets just exploded with AJ hatespeak!!!
OK, I’ll play along.
FUCK UR HAIR AJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This clown makes kevin brown look mentally tough.
Ladies and Gentleman, Mr. Allen James Burnett.
He’ll be here through 2013. Try the veal. It’s good.
*being sure to tip my waitress*
Wow. When AJ is bad, he’s just awful. No reason for him to be in the game, really.
he’s just awful. No reason for him to be in the game, really.
get this fucking worthless piece of shit out of the fucking game
Why on earth did he finish that inning?
Fucking indefensible by Girardi to leave this stiff in there.
Once again…that Intentional Walk call was a stupid move to do with AJ
Joe Girardi: GREAT manager (not as good as Mike Sciosa though)
while I hate to pile on with the negativity…. THIS x 1000. I take my chances against Izturis. not like your pitching around A-Gon or even Torii Hunter. i mean, jesus christ
I actually said this to my friends, that it was a bad thing to do to AJ. They should have pulled him then.
how can you walk two crap batters and then give up a near slam to a guy hitting .181?
Send him to Staten Island
Ironically, if the guy could hit at all that ball would probably have been caught as the OF’s would have been playing deeper.
All right AJ needs to trip into posada in the shower and put both on the DL.
AJ getting the treatment from the crowd, and basically rightly so. Really though, put that one on Girardi for being insane. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
Where is Matt when you need him? This is usually when he shows up.
I can tell you what he’ll say, that he would have thrown every pitch that AJ didn’t. There you go.
When was the last time intentionally walking anyone ever worked with AJ?
exactly, lets put ANOTHER guy on base in front of a guy who walks a shit ton of batters.
Love those moments when the internet just goes apeshit.
More obvious mistakes in pitch selection by Russell Martin costing them in crucial spots.
Why aren’t you calling for the fastball to a hitter as terrible as Mathis? He hasn’t caught up to a single one all game, and Burnett’s curveball has been awful in the inning. Yet, he goes right to the curveball for two pitches in a row to start the at bat.
Burnett did not shake off Martin. Martin put the sign down right away. He simply does not call a good game.
ahhh there he is. Welcome to the thread Matt!
Here we go again with the usual nonsense. The blog police is always ready to pounce on anyone who dares post a critical thought.
To describe what you just said as a critical thought made me throw up in my mouth a little.
you wrote his post exactly 1 minute before he showed up to say it hisself…
right…its all Martin’s fault…its never AJs..
I am a psychic. Matt why don’t you catch for the Yankees. I don’t understand why they won’t let you.
Again, do you think he threw the right pitches there?
It doesn’t matter whether you like me or not. My arguments is 100% correct. There is absolutely no reason to throw a curveball there, and it WASN’T AJ who shook off Martin to get that pitch.
Martin gets way too much credit around here. Open your eyes. He calls horrible pitch sequences, and it almost always comes back to bite them eventually as the game goes along. He isn’t familiar with American League hitters and ballparks, yet he hasn’t made the adjustment this season.
is your full name Matt Allen Burnett?
I have no problem with you, what bothers me is that you think you could call a better game than an allstar catcher. You can second guess pitches, but 1. Martin knows what he’s doing 2. its the scouting report that must be wrong. These guys work on hitters all week long, figuring out what they’ll swing and miss at. If you could be perfect, pitchers would have a 0 ERA. The fact is that, Martin didn’t hand AJ’s curveball, and he knows how to call a game better than anybody in this chat.
Right on cue, here come the ridiculous “you think you can be better than an all star!!!!’ arguments.
No, that is not what I said. What I said is that Martin makes too many mistakes in pitch selection, which he just did and has been doing quite frequently lately.
Burnett gets all the blame, but the catcher gets none for calling a pitch that nobody in their right mind would have called for in that situation. Burnett did not shake him off to get to that pitch, Martin called it right away.
Of course, the only argument used to refute my point will be “you aren’t in the Major Leagues,” rather than anything even remotely related to what I just said. Everyone is jumping on AJ, but it’s up to the catcher to nurse him through, and he hasn’t been able to do it.
AJ was hanging breaking balls, how is that Martin’s fault?
Everytime something bad goes wrong with the Yankees its, “You know that thing that so and so did, I would have done the opposite.” Why don’t you criticize pitch selection when AJ is pitching a shut out through 5 IP? Pitch selection isn’t an exact science, its like playing rock paper scissors with a batter. Just because someone hits a pitch doesn’t mean it was the wrong pitch to throw. It could mean a million things. Bad velocity, bad movement, bad fielding positioning, etc. The game is more than black and white, but whenever something goes wrong I can count on you to say you’d do the opposite.
Just because I don’t post it on here, it doesn’t mean that I’m not doing it throughout the night.
I don’t all of a sudden think that everything they are doing is suddenly good or bad because the results are good or bad.
Obviously I can’t expect you to know that unless I post every thought here, but you hold me accountable for the things that I never said as well as the things I did. Do you think that’s reasonable?
the fact that Burnett did not shake him off should tell you something
AJ must have agreed with the pitch selection, and there was a valid reason to throw that pitch
Just because a result is bad does not automatically mean the process is bad
I never said that AJ is free of blame. He didn’t execute the pitch either, and he did throw the pitch as well.
However, Martin threw the sign down right away because AJ never shook him off. As his catcher, he needs to be guiding him throw these at bats by trying to call the right pitches for him. You can say all you want that he knows what the right pitches are because he’s on the field, but it’s hard to argue it from an objective standpoint here.
again, fastball was not necessarily the right pitch
1)AJ was having trouble throwing fastball for strikes
2) his fastball was not his most effective pitch that inning, both outs before that came on curves, not fastballs, the homerun was on a fastball
3) Mathis can’t hit good curveballs (or good anything for that matter, but hitting curves is not a strength)
See the post below. AJ had hung the majority of his curves in that inning, and almost paid on the one to Vernon Wells.
Which does Mathis have a better chance of hitting? A poorly located fastball, or a hanging curve? I’d rather him get beaten with his best pitch in that spot.
his fastball that inning got him 2 walks and a HR, his curve got him 2 outs
Hung or not, the curve was more effective
In truth, both sucked that inning and he should have been pulled earlier
But there were valid reasons to go with the curve
It most certainly was not a situation where Martin “simply does not call a good game”
It was a perfectly valid pitch call given the hitter and the results of AJ’s fastball that inning, the pitch just wasn’t executed well. That’s completely on AJ, not Martin.
I’ll criticize Martin when he merits it, but this one was all AJ.
While I think Martin is very overrated here, I disagree it’s up to the catcher to nurse him through. The pitcher has the ball and has to make the pitches, not constantly loop hanging breaking balls right down the middle.
Nothing wrong with the pitch selection. It was AJ’s lack of execution. Mathis can hit a mediocre fastball. He absolutely cannot hit a good breaking pitch. That’s why he’s a career .200 hitter.
I never said that AJ made a great pitch. Not once.
However, I did say that Martin should realize that Burnett’s curveball was NOT sharp in that inning, and he should not be putting down the sign for the curveball right away to a hitter he’s been overpowering all night!
Burnett does not have a mediocre fastball. He’s been 93-95 all night. He’s overpowered Mathis all night with the fastball.
You guys have such an insane hatred of Burnett that you put 100% of the blame on him, when some of the blame in that inning has to go to Martin for pitch sequences as well.
overpowering all night
he swung at 2 fastballs all night
and his fastball was certainly not sharp that inning either
his curveball WAS effective that inning, he got the first 2 out of the inning on curveballs, not to let facts ruin your narrative or anything
Wow, this is priceless. You are trying to lecture me on facts, and then you try to argue that his curveball was good because he got outs on it?
Ok, let’s look at what he threw in that inning. 1 curve to Abreu, which was flat and he fouled off. 2 of 3 hanging curves to Torii Hunter, one of which was almost an identical pitch to the one Mathis hit that he popped out on.
2 hanging curves to Wells, one of which he hit to the warning track in center field.
He threw 2 other curves in the inning for balls in the dirt before the Mathis at bat, and then the one in the dirt that he swung and missed at.
So in that inning, he threw 1 good curve for a swing and a miss, 3 in the dirt, and 5 hangers. Yeah, that’s a good time to throw the curve with runners on base to a weak hitter.
as opposed to the fastball, which he had thrown 8 balls before that AB and gave up a HR
I’m not saying the curve was great, I’m saying the fastball was even less effective
“There is absolutely no reason to throw a curveball there”
loading the bases with BB after not being able to locate his fastball is a perfectly valid reason, and Mathis can’t hit a good AJ curveball, you can’t blame Martin for AJ’s failure to execute
So to sum up, your argument is not 100% correct, which is as predictable as another AJ implosion
So Burnett should throw the only pitch that Mathis can hit just because he was a little bit off in his at bat to the previous hitter with his control?
And it’s not like he missed by a ton to Bourjos, but keep grasping at straws. You know it was the wrong pitch. If anyone else made this post, you would be agreeing.
Also, starting off a hitter with a curveball with the bases loaded is incredibly risky for that same reason. If you are behind 1-0 and have to come in with a fastball, he might not be able to locate it on a corner.
I exaggerated intentionally with the 100% because you guys are so insane in attacking my posts that I have to be forceful back to get you to actually argue the point. However, the point still stands. There is no reason for him to throw 2 curveballs in a row to Mathis. Nobody in their right mind would think so, and you know it.
I’m not claiming to be better at Martin’s job than Martin, but it doesn’t take Major League experience to be able to read a bat and have a pretty strong sense of how to go after these hitters.
Not just the previous at bat with the control, and Mathis doesn’t hit curveballs well
There is a perfectly valid approach to using a curve there,
AJ was struggling locating his fastball and Mathis can’t hit curveballs either
Right on time. Tell me Matt, what did you think of the intentional walk?
Matt is either Francisco Cervelli or Jesus Montero and jockeying for either more playing time or a call up.
or Matt Nokes planning a comeback.
It was the right move. Izturis has smoked the ball off of him all night, and Bourjos has hit tappers every at bat.
Of course, it doesn’t matter what I say around here, because everyone will attack it not on its merits, but because I posted it.
Again, if you guys have a problem with my arguments, then why don’t you EVER try to refute the point? You always launch immediately into a personal attack. If you attack my name and not my argument, then you are nothing but hypocrites.
You should try posting under a different name. Everyone will criticize what you say. Try to realize that you COULD be wrong and criticized for it, not because you’re name is Matt.
Every. Single. Fucking. Game. The story is the FUCKING same. If the Yankees are winning, you are no where to be found. The single FUCKING instant a pitcher blows up, here you are, with your 3+ paragraph diatribe on how the catcher called the wrong pitches.
Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
just shut up and watch the fucking game.
I have refuted your points many times and proven you wrong many times.
Don’t ignore it just because you can’t accept it.
IBB in front of a guy who walks alot of batters, when hes up to 100 pitches, against not Adrian Gonzalez or Jose Bautista or Miguel Cabrera but Maicer fucking Izturis?
you sir are out of your tree.
Izturis has hit line drives all night, and Bourjos has done absolutely nothing with Burnett.
For once, it was the right move. The move isn’t wrong just because the result was bad. The mindset was correct. If you think that it’s going to be tough to score off of Haren, who would you feel most comfortable facing in a spot in which one run could lose you the game?
If Burnett gets the weaker hitter out there instead of walking him, it looks great.
You sir, are an idiot.
the IBB is the right move in a bubble. think outside the binder. AJ is not a control pitcher. dont put more runners on base when you pitcher has looked shaky in the inning (he had trouble throwing strikes after he gave up the HR to Abreu).
AJ should pitch to Izturis. every time.
That’s not fair, because AJ had been much better up to that point. He had walked only 1 batter tonight before that IBB and had been pounding the zone throughout the game.
Both of Izturis’ hits were very sharp- the hard grounder down the first base line, and the line drive to right field, while Bourjos had hit two weak ground balls and was having trouble with Burnett.
While I would agree that on a normal night you would worry about his control problems when IBB someone, he wasn’t having those problems tonight. If you want to talk about thinking inside a bubble, then it’s unfair to treat this like a normal AJ start when he was pitching better.
…and all these years Ralph Branca has been the goat for Bobby Thompson’s “shot heard round the world” when it was Rube Walke’s fault all along.
OR, maybe, Martin called for the curveball because AJ just walked the bases loaded because he wasn’t able to locate the fastball
And I must say, clearly Martin’s pitch calling has been horrible all year as the Yankees are only 3rd in ERA and FIP and 2nd in xFIP with a mostly rag tag pitching staff
As far as Mathis not catching up to a fastball all day, AJ’s fastball sucked that inning and Mathis only swung at 2 all day
Only when they’re losing.
Where are you when they’re winning? They should just ban you.
Yes, they should ban me because I post an opinion that you disagree with.
Maybe you are the one deserving after making posts like this?
How do you get through to this guy? By sending him to the pen! That’s the only way he’ll realize he isn’t entitled to a rotation spot. 5+ ERA last year, headed that way again this year. This just ain’t about one start vs Chicago. It’s about 2 years of awfulness.
this team is gutless, game over. burnett should never start a game again, but giradri and cashman don’t care about winning
Somehow, the word “overreaction” comes to mind.
Yeah dude, Cashman hates winning.
winning is soooooo 2000-and-late.
– Joe Girardi
Dan Haren cares about winning and he manages to do that a lot.
AJ is complete trash
Fuck you, you fucking useless piece of shit. you’re fucking smirking coming off the field after that? Holy shit. I’ve always been one to give AJ the benefit of the doubt, always under the impression that he’s a good dude, he’s just lost, but now? Now, he’s fucking smirking? AFter that? I fucking hate you, AJ!!!! There, I said it!!!!
Burnett needs to be on a much shorter leash. The homer run is one thing, but you got to get the relievers up sooner.
I’ve never seen a guy who can fuck up a good start as fast as Burnett. The guy truly is a piece of crap.
They’re shipping the video of this game to Washington for the Smithsonian’s new exhibit “A.J. Burnett: A Salute to Suckiness”
best comment all night. Bravo!
Better hope that 2-0 score holds up in Minnesota or we’ll lose another game in the division. The Angels have a guy on the mound who can actually hold a lead.
ZOMG! 2.5GB in early August. throw in the white flag!!!
Its time to “Igawa” Burnett!
why not…just bury the SOB in the minors..he sucks
Wxcept he’s not that bad that it justifies scrapping how contract. He’s a 2-win pitcher. Igawa was worthless.
burnett is worthless…and they have better options.
So whaddya all think Mark Trumbo will be for the rest of his career? He’s on pace to hit 30 HRs, he needs to take more walks but the power is very very real.
poor mans Carlos Pena? legit power, average glove, will string some hits together… legit second tier 1B.
This team is in trouble. AJ is a mess.
This is not shaping up to be much of a post season – can’t beat the Angels or the Red Sox.
Hey, it’s Matt!
Aren’t we 2 to 1 on the Angels?
Oh that is right. We took 2 from them in May when they were the equivalent of playing the White Sox or Mariners or A’s.
They are getting better and winning games. Yanks, destroyed the Orioles, White Sox, but not so much against playoff teams. THAT is not good.
Yes, but we just lost 2 of 3 to the Red Sox and are currently losing to the Angels. The sky is clearly falling and it’s time to hang up the spikes and call it a season.
well now that would be silly. But expectations of making the playoffs or advancing beyond the first round are leaning slightly over confident.
That is the point, Chen Meng Sarcasm.
A.J’s been a mess for 2 years now.
Awesome isn’t it. We have him for two more years. Another fantastic over paid free agent signed by the Yankees.
Can’t pin this one on Randy Levine, eh?
Fuck, Kay got me excited over that foul Home Run.
Key pulled a Sterling…. IT IS!!!…… foul
sterling is killing me…that’s the 3rd time..”it is high, it is far…it is caught/foul!”
i need to change my drawers now…thanks, John.
He has been horrible tonight. Seriously, he does 162 games and by now he can’t tell a home run. Good grief.
I think that YankeesJunkie got it right earlier in the thread. From the 5th inning on, Girardi needs to think about pulling AJ at the very first sign of trouble.
It’ll be frustrating to watch him get the hook when he’s been cruising, but at this point we’ve just seen this movie too many times before.
Yup Girardi just doesn’t know how to use AJ properly. I say move him to the ‘pen as the long man. He’s often decent for 3 innings. Plus if you have to go to the long man it means another starter already imploded.
I think he puts up decent enough numbers to stay at the back of the rotation (the amount of innings that he’s logged are very under-appreciated,) but Girardi has to stop giving him such a long leash. We’ve seen too many meltdowns to let him try to work out of trouble himself.
How does putting him on a short leash (5 innings) help him “log innings?” When Nova was barely making it through 5 innings, everyone was calling for his head because he was over-extending the bullpen.
Let burnett throw the whole game 150 pitches and hes gone for the year.
That is the third ball that has gone to the warning track.
Someone widen these foul poles.
AJ sucks…but can we please also note the fact the offense has only scored 1 run so far…so it’s not all AJ’s fault?
He needs to realize Haran is a damn good pitcher and step up his game. 4 runs through 5 innings is unacceptable regardless.
So you expected AJ to throw a shut out?
That’s not how this game works…
Which is exactly what he had done through the first five innings, throwing a shutout and keeping his pitch count down by attacking the hitters with his fastball.
The mistake in the inning is more of leaving AJ in when he was tiring and was starting to lose control of his pitches. When he walked Bourjos and his fastball was starting to sail up and in, that might be a sign that he’s running out of gas.
Yes. Yes it is. Definitely his fault. Entirely.
Fuck you, too, Kay. Learn to read a fucking fly ball, why don’t you. Asshole.
He went to the John Sterlng school of fly ball reading
rule 1: listen to the hit
rule 2: listen to the crowd
Rule 3: if they yell uncontrolably, you scream uncontrolably.
Rule 4: Announce what really happened.
If you’re not going to score at least work the pitch count so we don’t have to see Haran again in the 7th!!
Hopefully the frustration and anger eventually boil over and Posada and AJ get into a fight in the locker room leading to both of them being DL’ed freeing up to useless roster spots right now.
not every mistake ends up in the seats… only AJ’s
this game thread is ridiculously funny. So AJ is now required to give up less than 4 runs every game?
if he wants to be considered an above average major league pitcher, yes.
Have under a 6 ERA for the game? Yes. I think that is a reasonable request.
4 runs through 6 innings? That really isn’t any good. That leads to a 6 ERA, yes he should be expect to give up less than that.
Honestly, I would sign up for 6 innings 4 runs from AJ every time out, he’s just frustrating because before the home run to Abreu he looked on pace for 8 shut out innings. then, as usual it all fell apart. Also people are upset that we paid him as a number 2 and he’s been at best a number 4 the past two seasons.
The money sucks, but people act he hasn’t contributed at all this season after one terrible start and one mediocre one. His ERA prior to the two games was in the low 4′s
I agree, I’ve been trying to defend him all night, but as somebody else said he’s always been a “thrower” letting his raw ability to throw a 94+ fastball and a nasty curve mask the fact that he has control issues. Now that he’s lost a little, just a little, he’s become hittable. People need to expect this every time out, but are still looking for him to be better.
another pathetic performamce he s*cks with the bat. 22 million for a 870 ops from a 1st baseman pathetic.
typical yanks laying down like usual
Can this troll be IP banned, please?
It’s not like the d00d hit the ball hard what, 4 times in that at-bat?
Well, look at the bright side, Boston is losing and Burnett doesn’t have to pitch for at least another four or five days.
OK, at work and can’t see the game.
Two quick questions: Why the hell did they walk Izturis with two outs? He’s Macier freaking Izturis.
What did Scioscia do that got his sorry whiny ass tossed?
Because Girardi is an idiot. Would AJ have walked him anyway? Probably, but you still don’t issue IBBs to average hitters in the 6th inning.
arguing a check swing from the dugout
And where are the people making excuses for AJ, well it’s just one bad start against Chicago. 5.2 ERA last year, 4.6 this year. THIS IS A BAD PITCHER. Worse than Nova, worse than Hughes since he got back, and yet we have to continue this charade of a 6 man rotation to appease Burnett. Send him to the pen and he can be the new Mitre.
my thoughts exactly!
Burnett could fuck up a one car funeral
IETC… now that is funny.
The symbol of what desperation and lack of development from within brings.
He’s more volatile than Ziggy from The Wire
If I had a dollar for every time Michael Kay mentioned Burnett’s “stuff”.
that’s better than him referring to Burnett’s “Junk”
I’m sick of hearing about AJ’s great stuff. If you have no idea where your pitches are going, they aren’t great.
You beat me to it.
What I always thought.
Unless your last name is Niekro, I don’t wanna hear it.
When do they stop talking about AJ’s stuff being so great? Great stuff that doesn’t work isn’t great stuff.
Girardi needs to start judging AJ by how he’s pitching rather than the pitch count.
if he hasn’t learned by now he’ll never learn.
Sigh Yankees offense continues to struggle. I miss Alex.
They should create the AJ rule whereby he immediately comes out of the game anytime he allows a baserunner after 5 innings.
I don’t think AJ is as bad as everyone is making him out to be right now. Up until the HR in the sixth he was cruising by getting swings and misses without give screeching line drives to the gap. I don’t think it is surprising either that AJ has become a mediocre pitcher since he was always guy that threw rather than pitched, but this was supposed to happen in year 4 and 5 and not 2 and 3. At some point it may be beneficial for the Yankees to put Burnett as a middle reliever a role, with his stuff, could in all likelihood succeed at and give the Yankees value that way. While this is not beneficial AJ is basically a 1 WAR starting pitcher and if he is successful in the pen he could match and or surpass that in the pen giving the Yankees optimal value.
He is a headcase that belongs on another team.
AJ’s pretty fucking terrible. Over the last two years he’s basically replacement level. He’s not like Lackey where he actually has okay peripherals, he’s terrible all the way around. If that’s the cost of the 2009 WS, so be it…but he is godawful.
The argument is always, well AJ is an average pitcher and always has been. He’s been below average the past two years now. Can I pull two years from Jorge’s great career and use that as justification for playing Jorge now? No. Who cares if Burnett had a good year in his contract year? He’s been awful the past two years.
To give credit to AJ he was an above average pitcher from 2002-2009 when he was capable of playing.
So was Jorge Posada. Let’s continue to trot him out there at catcher and DH.
I can’t recall a pitcher quite like AJ Burnett in my entire baseball watching experience. this i snot a compliment.
I think it was 2005 Mike Mussina that every time after an error was committed behind he basically imploded. However, Mike Mussina was obviously a superior pitcher to AJ in every way, but that is the closest thing I remember.
AJ Burnett needs to be on a short leash every time he pitches… regardless of how well he’s looked in previous innings.
At least we can still count on Cory.
If Hughes pitches decently next time out, the six-man-rotation problem is solved: AJ to the pen (mid-relief, even long). Hughes should start sniffing the air for the opportunity before him. As things stand now, the Yanks lose every 5th day with AJ.
Goin to the game tomorrow night. Just got into the city couple hours ago.
Can’t tell you how happy I am that they shuffled the rotation & I don’t have to watch Burnett (who was originally scheduled to go).
Hey, me too. But I live right over in Jersey so I’m driving in tomorrow. Hopefully Nova looks awesome again tomorrow.
What do we think, honestly? Is there a realistic chance AJ gets Yanked from the rotation any time soon? I don’t see it happening for some reason.
I just wish that Kenny Williams claims Burnett on waivers and the Yankees can just dump him.
If they traded Burnett for Dunn, i’d be ecstatic.
I think we have enough washed up DHs on the roster already
And I think you’ve gotta give more starts to Hughes and Nova down the stretch to see who will be the #4. Send AJ to the pen after this game to make room. Somebody’s gotta go to that pen when Noesi is sent down for A-Rod next week and it needs to be AJ Burnett.
Come on offense…score 3 more runs…Wait is AJ hitting as well?!?!
Chien Ming Wang has a no hitter through 4.0 IP against the Cubs!
Impossible. How can he be pitching a no-hitter and be posting at RAB at the same time?
Because he’s Chien-Ming Fucking Wang!
RAB Mobile when he’s in the dugout. He’s gotta pass the time somehow.
It’s my clone. He pitches, I make the money getting fat and living the life here in Jersey.
You lucky bastard!
I keed, I keed
Call your friends!
Have him on my fantasy team! Just waiting for the implosion at this point.
Ah, I see the Nationals sent him back to AAA to get in another rehab start.
Raving about Trumbo making that play?
Baseball announcers are the fucking worst.
Even in his no hitter, Burnett had 9 walks…
can someone enlighten me as to why this douchebag is still in the rotation?………he might be the eight or ninth best starter in the organization.. he has been awful fora season and a half… he was never better than a .500 pitcher other than his walk year and has gotten much worse…. if it’s the salary that keeps him in the rotation, then by that logic posada should be playing over martin
well, according to Matt its all Martin’s fault
Dan Haren is pretty damn good.
Getting Martin home before Haren leaves would be huge.
And I don’t wanna here this shit about bailing out AJ because the offense has only scored 1 run. Who are we facing? One of the best pitchers in the AL, same as Sunday night. Can’t expect to score 6 runs. We can expect AJ to hold a meager lineup and a .180 hitter down to give us a chance to scratch another run across the board and win 2-1. He couldn’t even do that.
he couldn’t even hold them to 1 run? is that really what you expect?
Given that all he had to do was get out a .180 hitter to keep them at 1, then yes that’s what I expect from one of our starters. If he can’t do that then he shouldn’t be a starter.
Just getting in. So the Yankees IBB’d Maicer Izturis adn AJ gave up a double to Jeff Mathis. WTF. UGH.
AJ Burnett is our guy. He’s struggling a little bit right now but he has great stuff and has been a number two pitcher in the past. That’s why we’re keeping him in the rotation.
Now you don’t have to listen to Girardi’s post game interview.
AJ is a #2…that’s for sure…he pitches just like a #2
There you go Nunie.
Clutch Nunie! It’s a ballgame
I gotta say, Nunez has been a lot better than I every thought he would but he’s still a utility player.
yay! a two out rally against an elite pitcher, set the DVR!
That was huge. After the BABIP luck that we had in Boston, we deserved a jam shot to land with 2 outs.
Yay, another run.
Some nice baserunning by Nunez.
Dan Haren clearly has bad pitch selection.
Since Jeter can’t get a DP he will get double instead.
Love the aggressive baserunning by Nunez
Let’s go DJ!
I love Nunie on the bases, he’s almost as gritty and gutty as the Gritty Gutty Brett Gardner.
Wang no hits through 5IP!
Please don’t kill the rally Jeter.
Wouldn’t it be great if Jeter actually did something against Rodney?
Pipe dream, I know. But a guy can dream.
apparently he hits well against him…fingers crossed.
I think Gardner just tied the record for most consecutive stolen bases…
He actually did it!
And Gardner is one away from the record for consecutive stolen bases. The record is 23 by Chase Utley in 2009. Right now Gritner is at 22.
As I posted in the comments after Sunday’s game, those are not the records. Those are records for most total steals in one season without getting caught. The actual records are 45 (Ichiro) in the AL and 50 (Vince Coleman) in the NL/ML.
The stat (as far as I understand it) is consecutive steals in a single season. As far as I can tell, Ichiro never had 45 straight steals in one season – the 45 straight spans two seasons (same with Coleman).
Ichiro ended 2006 with 39 straight successful steals. Yes, those records span two seasons, but what I said is what those numbers describe.
In A Season
Without 1 Caught Stealing
(Players with 20 or more listed)
AL Paul Molitor
That probably won’t paste well, but you can see how it’s called in the title.
Don’t look now, but Jeter’s been swinging the bat great since coming off the DL.
Sometimes dreams DO come true
1st to 3rd! yeah, don’t see that ever
And if Burnett had just gotten a .180 hitter out we’d be sitting pretty with Robertson and Mo. A-Rod will be next week and we need a roster spot. Send down Noesi, send AJ to the pen.
In a perfect world that would happen, but I don’t think it’s going to.
If AJ got Mathis out, we’d be talking about how awesome he was tonight.
I think you mean acceptable, not awesome.
so 1 run in 6 innings is just acceptable now?
Wooo! One more steal!
Hey Cap’n Clutch, work your magic.
He did it. He really did.
I <3 Jeter
JETER! 2 OUT RALLY!
JETER! WE’VE TIED THE GAME! AJ HAS DONE IT!
Its a new ball game!
BOOOOOOM!!! That just happened beyotches!
Russell Martin called for a terrible pitch to Jeter!
well played, Axisa.
So, does this mean that Haren sucks because he allowed four runs in 7 innings or is it okay because he went an extra inning?
One is facing a top AL offense and has been one of the best pitchers in baseball all year, while the other is facing a pretty bad offense and has a history of exactly this
There is no bias in noting that Haren is a Cy candidate who had a bad night against a good offense while AJ is a replacement level pitcher who let another game get away against a below average lineup
Some guy tried to pull this earlier cherry picking stats to compare AJ to CC. A sub 3 ERA is not the same as a 4.6 ERA. And AJ had a 5.2 ERA last year. It ain’t just one game.
It ain’t just one game.
So don’t complain during the game. Just root for the Yankees to win.
it’s okay because jeter is a .280 hitter opposed to a .180 hitter.
alright! tie game.
now all of you assholes please relax. AJ sucks, Girardi sucks, and the season is over. we get it
now lets enjoy the game.
I knew if I complained enough the Yankees would shut me up. #reallyembarrassed.
i take back what i said about the offense, nice rally
Thats the jeter we miss. Way to go captain
well done, sir.
Now after the game Girardi will say that AJ did a good job keeping us in the ballgame and we’re behind him the whole way. If we win the game it shouldn’t change the fact that AJ needs to be sent down to the pen.
After the game Girardi will be asked why he intentionally walked MAICER IZTURIS, to which he’ll reply:
Maicer’s my 8th inning guy. Wait, I…I have my excuses confused.
Didn’t he though? I mean if our current 5 man rotation was
I would take 4 runs in 6 innings every time from my number 4 starter and expect my offense/bullpen to do the rest.
Realistically, AJ would be 6th in this list after both Nova and Hughes.
6 ERA. That’s a DFA on any other team if he didn’t have that contract.
4 runs 6 innings is a 6 ERA, thats not even acceptable for a #6 starter
You can thank Jeter later, AJ, you goofy fuck.
Yankees making a game of it despite their manager’s best efforts. It’s nice to see.
i really hate this lovaza commercial, who would have an underwater r&d lab?
Grandersons gonna do some damage.
Girardi must have missed those numbers, because here he goes pinch hitting the righty for the lefty against him.
All the talk about how he was going to look at the scouting reports and numbers, and he’s no different from any other manager, playing only on the handedness of the pitchers and batters.
Those are Takahashi’s numbers. It is Downs pitching…
That hit by Jeter was (almost) exactly like the line out he had in Boston that would have scored a run on Sunday night.
I hate BABIP.
the difference is that boston has a gritty dirt dog at second base.
Excuse me, but that’s SCRAPPY dirt dog, to you…
Well if the Angels 2nd baseman did a gritty hop before the pitch, he’d of probably been out ;).
Apparently I’m too slow…
Great at bats there by the Yankees hitters, not trying to do too much.
I’m not sure if Jeter hits a pitch like that as hard as he did there earlier in the season. That was on the inside part of the plate at 95 mph, and he was right on it.
That DL trip has done wonders for him.
Maybe a DL trip would help AJ too…
We can only dream he we go on the DL
A phantom DL trip for AJ would do wonders for Jesus Montero.
Only one way to find out.
it really has, I’m pretty sure he’s been hitting better than 300 since.
He’s hitting .304/.357/.443/.801 since coming off the DL. That’s not vintage Jeter, but it’s certainly good enough.
I’ll take it over the Derek Jeter of last year( and every short stop not named Tulo, Reyes, or Hanley) every day and twice on days there’s a double header…
I thought that last year he might be playing through a bunch of injuries, but then when he was just as bad this year you thought he may really be sharply declining. I was expecting him to hit .290-.300 this year, so now that he’s healthy and rested it looks like I wasn’t too far off in terms of ability.
I’m hoping that the same rejuvenation can happen for A-Rod when he comes back from the knee surgery. It wasn’t just the knee for him, because he was having trouble turning on fastballs after the oblique injury in mid-April after he looked like the A-rod of 2007. Hopefully they are getting him back at 100% now, rather than the 60-70% he may have been at before.
Yeah. His bum knee was affecting his power numbers in particular. He’ll be a HUGE boost to this lineup if he comes back and plays like he did for the first couple weeks of the season.
Fernando Rodney gets no respect!
Jeter needed gary denbow to get his swing back maybe jorge can go work with him a few weeks too
“you just knew it, this situation was taylor made for derek jeter”, if their was one guy you didnt wanna see this inning it was derek jeter”- angels broadcaster
listening/watching the away broadcast is great you always learn something. in this case, lots of people around the league still respect the shit out of the man…
how are you watching it?
MLB EI and MLB TV both allow you to watch the home/away broadcast.
Thats cool shit
or force you to watch the other broadcast if you live in their supposed home territory.
Wait, wasn’t Takahashi supposed to be starting one of the games in this series? They have a lefty in Scott Downs, so this seems a little strange to force yourself to call someone else up?
They have Garrett Richards from AA starting tomorrow instead of Takahashi.
They’re starting a Garrett Richards tomorrow
Still, you’d think that they’d want to use Downs in a high leverage situation.
I would love to see Granderson cut down his strikeouts. I would happily trade 10 HRs/50 SO for 3 HR/5 2B/ 5 1B/20 SO from him.
He has a .399 wOBA, I would not change a thing the way things are going for him.
Apologies for the language, but you out of your goddamn mind.
down apologize. he is out of his crack fucking mind. gimme the HRs too.
Those numbers don’t even add up, so I’m not sure what your point is.
The Angels owe Vernon Wells $24,642,857 in 2012, 2013 and in 2014. And we complain about AJ’s contract
AJs contract sucks, but:
1. That was what it cost to sign him. If Cashman had not given him the contract, he’d be a Brave
2. Without AJ, the Yankees don’t win the World Series in 2009
Number 2 is something that I think a lot of people keep forgetting around here. He got lit up in one of the games, but he threw three tremendous Game 2′s, and none bigger than the one in the World Series. They needed another strikeout arm for the playoffs to slot in behind CC, and Burnett was the only guy available.
Up until that 6th inning, Burnett was pitching tonight like it was another home playoff start.
how in the world did the blue jays get rid of him??? alex anthopolous should win gm of the year until 2025
they didn’t re-sign him? sounds pretty simple actually.
my bad, thought we were still on the ‘Fuck AJ’ page.
easy, Arte moreno is a moron. panic trade after he boned the pony on the Beltre negotiations.
Even though Wells had 4 fWAR in 2010 there is no reason to voluntarily take on that contract let along give any players for it.
The fact that they willingly traded for his contract is absolutely nuts.
Speaking of the Jays, maybe it’s just me but I don’t think there’s as more annoying fan base in baseball.
I believe the Blue Jays are picking up at least 1/4 of that salary, but yeah, it’s still a horrible contract to be paying. Of course, if the Angels got the Vernon Wells of 2010, they may not have been as unhappy about it.
nope. FIVE MILLION. thats it
not $5M a year. total. thats it
Mike Napoli- .299/.398/.611 18 HR in 221 AB
Vernon Wells- .212/.246/.383 16 HR in 339 AB
They never seemed to give Napoli a chance though as the starting catcher, always preferring Mathis’ all defense no hit skill set.
All of the reports I’ve seen have the Angels paying all of his salary.
DAMN what was Arty Moreno thinking???
srsly???? AJ Burnett couldn’t do THAT Matt????
“Stay focused on the mound.” Genius!
D-Rob is such a tank. He ripped those Angel batters’ arms off.
Bunch of soldiers that they are.
D-Rob is greater than or equal to Unicron
i smoked some of that Unicron once. got me messed up but I felt pretty gay about it.
D Rob = Megatron
Wang’s no-no bid is over in the 6th.
If we were going to waste two first round picks on signing a Type-A reliever, I kind of wish we had signed Downs instead of Soriano.
Not that Downs is that much better, I’ve just been very impressed with him since he broke into the league.
WTF… where is that short porch when you need it?
BAHHH. Yeah Torri is a jerk, he knew he had that the whole time.
Ugh….So fucking close.
Fourth ball to the warning track. This is ridiculous. ONE HAS TO GET OUT!!!
As long as it’s one that the Yankees hit.
FUCK KEY STOP MAKING ME LOK AT THE TV!
Why would key make you lok at the tv?
because he is trolling for porn when Key says… “Hey… HEY! look over here!!!”
Yankees have had so many warning track flyballs tonight.
Did that fly out give John Sterling a heart attack?
Because I sure thought it was gone.
He probably got made at Torii because it messed with his rhythm.
The fly balls have been all over the warning track all game long and only one has gone out very depressing
Goddamnit I was hoping Tex and Grandy were going back to the “anything you can do, I can do better” game.
Robby showing the hustle there.
lol angels broadcasters criticizing Cano for not running hard enough on that
Doesn’t play the Game like and Angel.
He’s too lazy to care about those broadcasters.
I’m with them. Odds are strong that it makes no difference in the end, but what if the throw pulls Trumbo off the bag?
You’ve gotta run it out if the ball’s in the infield.
Cano is the most frustrating player on the team for me. That’s one of the reasons.
The narrative is generally silly but that did seem lax.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t buy into any of the “Cano is too lazy without Larry Bowa!!!” crap.
But on that specific play, he was clearly dogging it.
What if he pulls a hamstring? Sometimes good appearance and the chance at reaching one extra time out of one hundred isn’t worth it.
Do you guys think the Yankees will have Swisher back next year? If I remember correctly they have an option for him for something around 10M right?
He’s worth the contract and there are no better free agent options
No doubt in my mind that option gets picked up. Even if they want to sign someone else, a $10m .850 OPS guy in his prime has a lot of trade value.
Yes. 10 million is well below market value for Swisher.
Yea, that seems pretty cheap for a right fielder that’s good defensively, hits for some power, and can take a walk.
He’s got a 10.25 option but Micheal Cuddyer is going to be a free agent, and Grady Sizemore might be a free agent if the Indians don’t pick up his option.
Swisher > both of them.
Cuddyer’s nothing special anymore and Grady can’t stay healthy.
Sizemore??? Really? He’s turning into the Eric Chavez of the OF
Cuddyer is really not much better than Swish. And anyone who would trade a healthy Swish’s production over a dice roll of Grady Sizemore and his health issues must really want more Golson or Dickerson in their life.
Pick up the option, and sign Sizemore. If Sizemore stays healthy and preforms like he did two or three years ago we have ourselves a DH. I mean unless Albert really becomes available, whose gonna be our DH next year?
I would like to see Jesus try to catch at the ML level before he gets relegated to a career DH
He can backup catch and DH.
Probably a combo of Montero and A-rod/Jeets/Tex
Man, not too long ago Sizemore hitting free agency would have been nuts. Like Crawford but better.
Pick up his option then make a run at Matt Kemp after the 2012 season.
I like this move.
HUSTLE HUSTLE HUSTLE HARD
Cano needs to listen to that song.
DAMMIT ANDRUW! THEY PINCH YOU HIT YOU TO HIT HOME RUN NOT A SINGLE! DFA HIS DISINTERESTED ASS!
too lazy to hit a HR and get the lead…
So we can call up lazy disinterested jesus to take his place?
I’d rather if they DFA’d Jorge or Ayala to make room for Jesus. But that’s not happening.
NOW DON’T FUCK THIS ONE UP MO OR ELSE I’LL SAY YOU SUCK LIKE POSADA AND THAT YOU DON’T WANT TO WIN ANYMORE YOU MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY!!!
All these shots of the Angels bench have gotten me thinking: has any organization had more assistants get manager jobs than the Angels?
Off the top of my head Black, Maddon, Roenicke have all become managers in the last 5 or 6 years.
its b/c they get alot of experience when Scioscia gets thrown out.
Russ Martin is ass
Maybe Mo needed to hear his theme song, which would never be done on the road, especially in Boston.
I played it in my car as I was coming home the other night.
It didn’t help.
Is soriano available today?
I assume so after the off day yesterday
Fucking hell. I know we’ll still be up in the WC by a lot but we cannot afford to lose these games! Have to assume boston is going to win their game and that will put them 2.5 up. fuck.
Mariano Rivera? WHY DIDN’T THEY LEAVE BARTOLO COLON IN THE GAME?????
/That one game in Baltimore’d
Girardi should have left in Colon.
If I have one criticism of Mariano, its probably that he can be too aggressive over the plate.
Mo is an awesome athlete.
Seriously, how has he not won a Gold Glove?
…’cuz he pitches like, one inning every three days?
And thats how you defend against a bunt
GREAT defensive play by MO to get the lead runner on the bunt!
Shit … c’mon Mo
I love watching pitchers who can field their position
Bunt = stupid.
so that’s how you field a bunt
good thing Nunez wasn’t playing short
Come on Russell
Not a good time to yank the throw.
Decent throw, but that motherfucker is fast.
As great as Mo is, he can’t hold a runner on at 1st base for shit.
Never had to, and dare I say it won’t matter tonight.
I guess you were right.
I take complete responsibility for this atrocity.
Robbie is too smooth with that throw…it’s like there’s no effort involved.
Too lazy to provide effort.
Does anyone else think the home plate ump’s strikezone has suddenly shrunk for Mo?
I thought the second pitch was strike in the first inning and not in the ninth.
No. He’s not as sharp lately as he once was. I don’t know if it’s a lack of steady work or just Father Time. I hope it’s not the latter, or the Yanks are in big trouble.
fucking christ! Abreu showed up
Um, WTF Mo??
Mo is done. Awesome.
Mo… is not done. Nice try, though!
Love Mo, but he is either hurt or has lost it.
what the fuck mo
Its one of those stretches for Mo …
People have talked about the decline in Mariano and I think we’re finally seeing it. You do not give Abreu a pitch to hit there on 3-1. You do not.
Fucking Abreu. I was thinking walking him wouldn’t be bad.
Are you motherfucking kidding me?
worst strike zone ever put him into a hitters count
Alright Mo has to go too Sarcasm off
That was just brutal by Mo. Just brutal.
that was one straight cutter MO served up to Abreu…
Matsui killed us and now Abreu. Next series we play the Rays and Johnny Damon. The ghosts of Yankee stadium.
Of course Bobby Abreu and his sub-.100 ISO would homer twice.
Time to panic!
The only thing worse than Mo giving up runs is getting knocked out of the playoffs, literally the worst regular season feeling.
Prepare for an onslaught of Joel Sherman / Mike Lupica articles about how Rivera’s career is over.
Mariano has screwed us for two straight games. This one doesn’t hurt as much as the one in Boston at least…….
It seems that when Mo has an off game, it’s because the command of his cutter if off, and he seems to scuffle for a couple of games before he regains it. Unfortunately he may be in one of those periods now.
Hopefully it’s a two-game thing!
Because, you know, our offense can take no blame.
Sunday, yeah but he was given the lead. Today the offense isn’t the problem. 4 runs off of Dan Haren is great.
Release the scrub.
This isn’t just one game – it’s a pattern now.
That is Russ Martin calling the same pitch in the same location over and over.
Mo is a piece of fucking crap just like Burnett
DYNAMITE THE STADIUM
time for MoSoRo
And Matt Capps about to give Red Sox the lead. Just fucking perfect.
this sucks, hate when mo loses it for us, nothing worse
mo never seems to pitch as well if he comes in during a tie game…
Mariano has now given up ballgames to Marco Scutaro and the corpse of Bobby Abreu on back to back outings. Is he done? I hate to say it but he doesn’t usually get beat by these scrubs.
When Mo sucks, he usually does in consecutive games. Really wasn’t surprised there.
but, he does have a histroy have having a few back to back stinkers two times a season…
Usually that happens in May and August.
Good thing it’s August.
sure he does
he gave up a walk off HR to Scutaro when he was with Oakland
Step off the ledge man, it’s two games, in August. If this keeps up for four or five games in a row then it’s time to line up en mass on the GWB.
Chill the fuck out NUNIE that was dangerous.
fuck yeah NUNIE!!!!
People calling for the end of Mo are batshit insane.
There comes a point when you have to acknowledge that Rivera’s stuff is not as good as it once was, and you have to mix it up and pitch differently than you would have a decade ago.
It’s similar to what happened in Fenway the other night. If Rivera is throwing 94-95, he might get away with those pitches, but you have to be careful when hitters are likely sitting on pitches.
At this point, lefties actually hit Rivera significantly better than righties. Maybe you have to be more careful when you fall behind in the count on lefties from now on. This isn’t just an isolated incident. Lefties have been getting to Mo’s cutter much more than you see this year. Lind, Duda, Callaspo…
Righties are OPSing .559 off him and Lefties .538. His cutter just hasn’t been cutting the last few days. Thats why pitches have been sitting over the plate too.
Lefties are hitting for a much higher average against him though, and in that spot they only needed a single to beat you.
Do they have a rally in their bones?
It’s not like this is a surprise. Mo is 41 years old, it’s time to forget the good memories. This is what we have now. Put Robertson in as closer.
I honestly don’t know what the fuck Montero needs to do to get a callup. Russell Martin is a -black hole- in the lineup right now. Every at-bat ends the same way, with a grounder to 3rd or short or in between 3rd and short. That’s not winning baseball.
he’s pretty good at defense, though…
Didn’t he start the rally in the 7th?
I think Montero has pissed off Cashman or Girardi. Otherwise, I just don’t understand how they can ignore his bat when the goal is to win a championship and there are obvious voids on the bench – as you mentioned.
But, they did do a bang up job with Joba and Hughes so perhaps there is a “Jesus Rules”.
At least Russell Martin is a great defender. There’s no guarantee Montero can do that or hit in the majors. Maybe they have their doubts because he’s been slightly above average in AAA this year.
What the fucking fuck?
Nunez is fasssssssst.
That steal didnt make any sense but he made it.
Come on Gardner, that same exact pitch u took for a ball, why swing at the same pitch again.
Might be cause reading 97 mph pitches is hard
Don’t you know baseball’s an easy game? Anyone here could play it better than the guys on the field
Nothing like going to a 70 mph batting cage to humble you
2nd time tonight Gardner looked silly and swung at ball 4. Awful. Good steal by Nunez to keep Jeter out of the DP.
So, that’s the pitch you take the bat off of your shoulders for?
97 mph. / le sigh
If you’re gonna swing at ball 4…at least take a decent cut.
Work these counts for the homerun hitters.
NO!! I hate when you go for the home run or bust!
Too many homeruns?
This person is just having flashbacks to the mid-2000′s. A team full or ‘roiders swinging for the fences.
over swing and bust. Just get a base hit!
Nunez needs to steal 3rd.
That better be sarcasm I smell.
i do not like nunez-gardner-jeter back to back to back.
Good thing that Mathis keeps calling for pitches out of the strike zone.
That’s not Mathis anymore.
Mo already has as many blown saves as he did last year, if not one more…and there are about 6 or 7 weeks left to play.
This isn’t a blown save.
Ah ok. Is there a ‘shit the bed’ stat? He seems to be doing it more often this year.
GrandyMan, you can do this, base hit.
Oooh… here’s a great time for a sac bunt!
The winning run is at the plate. And it’s the perfect man for the job.
Please Grandy. Three run bomb and let’s end it.
Another good at bat from Jeter.
Come on Grandyman!
The veteran Jeter did what Gardner should have done. Brett swung at a ball at his eyes earlier and made an out then made that pathetic swing this inning. Take the walk, Gardner. And don’t tell him to bunt in the 3rd inning, Girardi.
Nice, Derek. Let’s go, Grandy.
Grandy with a three run walk off. I am calling this shit. 2nd pitch of the at bat, into the 2nd deck in RF.
Hoping you’re a visitor from the future.
Let’s wait and see.
you muffed it
I hope the yanks can channel 2009 here
That was a great at bat by Jeter, I gotta say he looks like the old Jeter.
Waden looks like one of those closers with a short shelf life. Thrws really fucking hard with NO fucking clue where it’s going.
I kinda agree, I think he’s a starter that needs more time in the minors to develop control.
we need a double at least… don’t leave it up to Tex.
Maybe Cashman should have let Mo sign with the Red Sox.
Grandy with the hustle! Still alive…
Wow, way too close.
Oooo … he gave Teix a chance.
If he walks the bases loaded, it will be a GIDP from Mark Giambi.
Shitstorm is a brewin’.
For the life of me, I still can’t understand how people refer to Tex as a Gold Glove version of Giambi and mean it as an insult.
Mo had a 1.70 ERA and 29 Saves coming into these last two games.
Look at you Mr. Not-Just-What-Happened-Right-This-Second-Plus-What-I-Remember-And-Thus-Overstate
Tex Vs. Walden. No Change up’s either. Oh yeah!!!!
HR/FB% says any fly ball is a homer!
That was the worst result. Now it is up to Tex, odds drop considerably.
Umm…a game ending double play probably would’ve worse
Make him pay TEX!!!!
Well that’s a cockshit, PA swinging call.
That was a ball fuck!!
It’s the Curse of the My9.
That was ball two.
HOW HOW HOW
Are you fucking kidding me?
We lost on THE FUCKING JEFF NELSON PLAY???
God damn ump has a massive strikezone for this tool and a tiny one for mo
how the fuck does that happen
That’s… that’s a wow.
For once Kay is right, just stupid.
…way to end a fucking game.
First inning hero; 9th inning goat
Doubt that was Granderson running. Thats a play the manager has to call.
even if it was called, he can’t get picked off
Doesn’t matter, Granderson can’t take off unless he’s certain that Walden is coming to the plate.
Especially considering that he’d seen the fake to first fake to third a few times, there’s no excuse at all for getting caught.
You can put some of the blame on Granderson, but when you’re the manager making that call you know there is a chance the runner gets picked off. In this circumstance, there was no reason send Granderson, even if he makes it its just bad baseball.
The manager definitely did not send him there. That’s not a hit and run, that’s a straight steal attempt by the baserunner.
The manager puts the green light on, and it’s up to the baserunner to pick the right spot. Given the amount of moves that Walden was making in that inning, you have to make sure he’s going to the plate.
This team is fucking dumb.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!
That didn’t just happen. I did not just see that.
THIS TEAM IS FUCKING STUPID.
i’m sorry, but as a team they just want to lose now. this sucks.
That is completely fucking inexcusable.
what’s really inexcusable is mariano sucking balls the last 2 games. oha nd lets not forget that lead he blew at “shiti” field.
Well done Granderson… Inexcusable…
at least this game takes the bad taste out of our mouths from sunday, holy shit
Good job, Tex.
Glad to see you have that large contract, you overrated goofy piece of shit. I hope they boo him out of New York.
Fuck you, Tex, I want Prince.
how is that tex’s fault in any way?
Just getting it out of the way so someone else doesn’t say it.
I don’t care what it takes, bring pujols here! lol
Umm…you realize that Tex didn’t get to swing the bat right?
Well this is the perfect cluster fuck of a game following the explosion in Boston.
That is ok, we will win 1 of the next 2 thereby losing 4 of 6 to potential playoff teams. Awesome.
So they’re doomed for the playoffs, obviously.
Obviously. Just like the Yankees won the 2007 ALDS against the Indians after going 6-0 in the regular season.
pretty sure your not going to see Angels #2 vs. Yankees #6 in the playoffs
and why can they not win the next 2 games???
That play never ever works, except against us with 2 man up and our biggest homerun hitter at the plate. What a terrible managing job tonight by Joe. Bunting in the 3rd inning, leaving AJ in there to crumble for the 7th straight time, and an inexcusable send of Granderson in the 9th.
If this was 2010 Granderson a sniper would have put out of misery by now.
Just what you needed.
The last three games the Yanks have just looked absolutely awful. Offense has crumbled, pitching has been spotty, the once dependably mo has been very hittable. With George Steinbrenner was around to give them a piece of his mind.
grandy just didn’t want mark to pop up again…he’s such a team player.
I’m pretty sure my brain started bleeding the moment I saw Walden react quicker than the standard Nelson move.
I can see this being a reasonable play if you’re the Mariners or Padres.
Eh, what the hell. Whaddaya gonna do about it. So Girardi’s a boilerplate manager for a team that excells in literally every other area, it was a bad game. Everyone has ‘em. We win tomorrow.
Mariano is pretty fucking bad, too. Stop living off the legacy, instead of being 2.5 games back, we should be .5 ahead. That’s what those 2 games mean.
So, um, a polite middle finger and a STFU from the GOAT.
there’s 2.5+ hours of my life that I’ll never get back…
I’m not overreacting. But, it’s hard to keep justifying stroking the egos of 40 year olds just so their feelings don’t get hurt. I’m glad they started with Jorge, now switch Mo with Robertson. I mean, really, don’t convince me you’re happy with Mariano. And I love how Jerome conveniently omits the 6 blown saves Mo has had this year…
You lost your credibility after you said Mo has an ego.
You mean to tell me, if asked, Mo wouldn’t put up a struggle if they asked to remove him from the closer spot? Please.
pretty fucking bad=absolutely fucking false.
I realize it’s tough for die-hards to see their favorite players struggle. So, I probably won’t win this argument. I’m as big of a fan as anyone here, but I’m a realist. He isn’t getting it done. He has blow 6 saves. Your numbers don’t indicate that. Selective stats.
You could blow 12 saves but if its because you came into 60 games with a 1 run lead, you still had a pretty solid season. Don’t get all wrapped up in the wrong stats.
the most important stat for closers imo is save percentage Mariano is 7th in the AL behind Jose Valverde(who is having an unreal season in Detroit), Papelbitch(whose ERA is more than 1.5runs higher[lots of 3-run saves], Chris Perez(ERA almost 2 runs higher), Sergio Santos, Brandon League, and Andrew Bailey (Missed all of April)
instead of being 2.5 games back, we should be .5 ahead. That’s what those 2 games mean.
I’m going to go ahead and assume that math wasn’t your best subject.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to be yours either.
If the Yankees win these last 2 games:
Yankees 71-43 —-
Red Sox 71-44 0.5
This is why I keep telling you that head to head games count twice as much in the standings. You control both whether you win, and whether the opposing team loses.
Please explain this to me, Mike. I work numbers for a living, I just am a little curious how I’m wrong? The simple math says if the Yanks had won the past two days, they’d be .5 games ahead of Boston. Thanks.
Disgraceful by Granderson to get picked off as the final out of this game.
But this game wasn’t lost on that play. Another incredibly winnable game that the Yankees have thrown away, it’s starting to get old with this team.
It’s becoming difficult to argue that they aren’t throwing away the division title as well with how many of these kinds of games they’ve lost this season. In 2009, Rivera blew 2 saves all season, and in these last two seasons he’s blown 6 and 5 respectively. The 2009 team was so good at winning games like this at home, both in the regular season and in the playoffs, and part of the difference does seem to be Mo.
LOL at comparing this team to the 2009 team.
I’m comparing them only to point out that this team is NOT as good as that team. They don’t win these kinds of games, like the 2009 would like have done, because they make too many mistakes in crucial spots. Tonight’s game case in point.
You don’t even have to compare them to 2009 to see that this bunch is not very good in key spots. The stats were posted recently for their high leverage hitting stats, which were in the bottom third of baseball. The ratio of comeback wins to blown games is much lower than even teams like 2008!
I agree with you in saying that this team under performs in high leverage situations. But comparing it to the magical season that was 2009 is a tad unfair. But going back to your original point — yes, it is obvious that this team does not do well in these situations.
Not as much as you think, because on paper the two teams are actually somewhat comparable. Through 114 games, the 2009 team was 71-43, and this year’s team is 69-45, having just lost 2 games with Rivera on the mound.
It’d be hard to argue that this team is less talented on paper than the 2009 club. In fact, their performance thus far has not been that different other than blowing these kinds of games. In fact, they’ve actually played better than the 2009 club overall, because they should be 4 or 5 games better than their current record.
And part of the reason for 2009 was a giant, shitload of luck. That team had the Midas fucking touch. You can’t just “will” comebacks when you want them. Lots of stuff has to go your way. In ’09, lots of stuff went their way (i.e., luck) and they had great talent. This works in the case of Rivera as well. Two blown saves in a season is pretty hard to do (look at Lidge in ’08 vs. Lidge in ’09). That was talent + luck for Rivera. In ’10 and ’11, he’s been a closer…saving a bunch, blowing a few.
Games like this are infuriating, no doubt, but the comparison to what happened two years ago doesn’t move a debate about this year’s team forward at all.
The difference is not the comebacks. It’s the BLOWN GAMES. They don’t have to come from behind very often because their starting pitching has been so good. However, they are blowing a lot of games.
It’s not “luck” when you give up a home run to Abreu! It’s not “luck” when you give up a booming double to Scutaro. It’s not “luck” when you get picked off on the bases and make mental mistakes.
They have nearly as much talent as the 2009 club, which is why the comparison has to still be made to provide the point. They are as good on paper, but not as good on the field. The reason is that they make mistakes in key spots, and all kinds of mistakes- pitching, baserunning, plate discipline, fielding errors.
What the fuck was Granderson thinking?! The guy had used the Jeff Nelson two or three times in the at-bat before that pitch…Completely inexcusable baserunning error. You can’t let shit like that happen. They better turn this shit around tomorrow, it’s probably going to be the only game of the year I go to, so they better fucking win.
Burn the Binder. Screwed us over a few times today
Can I have the Yankees back, please?
This was the game we were supposed to lose (on paper). But to lose like that…fuck, that was awful.
None of this would have ever happened had we traded Rivera and Granderson for Ubaldo Jimenez, who would have started in place of AJ.
In all seriousness, after a game like that, folks, the good news is that, if you live on the east coast, tomorrow is only an hour and 13 minutes away.
Losing a game where the team valiantly fought back to tie only to fall behind on a Mo home run, where they left the tying runs on in the 9th on a Teixeira strikeout — no, that wouldn’t have been painful enough. We needed an extra turn of the screw.
Curtis, I love you, but Jesus H. Christ.
to recap: pitching: what the frick? offense: what the frick? bullpen: fricky frick frick.
Where is this team even going?
straight to the shitter that’s where
I think I’m ready to lower my confidence rating. This team just isn’t as good as Boston who will win again tonight in a close game. In close games we do what Granderson just did, make boneheaded plays. We have our closer who is racking up loss after loss to Marco Scutaro and the corpse of Bobby Abreu. We have a pitcher in the rotation who pitches to a 6 ERA and everyone defends him by saying that’s what we should expect from our 4th or 5th starter.
You know if we didn’t int walk Izturis in the 6th, AJ would probably have only given up 2 runs that inning…at worst
Or Izturis could have ripped another base hit to score the run, with Bourjos retired easily on strikes, and people would be wondering why he went after Izturis in that spot who has been killing him all night, rather than the much weaker on deck hitter.
It wasn’t the wrong move to walk Izturis! He had ripped a hard grounder and a line drive, with Bourjos hitting 2 weak grounders. It didn’t work because BURNETT walked the weaker hitter, possibly because he was starting to tire. And then, Girardi could have taken him out at that point as well, but left in a visibly tiring Burnett, who was missing up and away with fastballs to his arm side.
SOrry, we tied it up..for NOTHING.
Still trying to figure out how Bobby Abreu managed to hit 2 homers today, mistake pitches or not…
The Abreu / Mo matchup was too predictable. Hunter should have been the obvious choice.
oh well…..AT LEAST JESUS IS COMING…soon (hopefully)!!!!
No one can blame Granderson. Mo gave up this game just like the other night. If he is hurt he needs to say so.
Maybe Mechanics out of whack and not getting enough downward movement. This happened to him last season or something and he adjusted and was fine.
I’m not blaming Granderson for the loss but I’m absolutely blaming him for not giving Teix a chance to tie it. He seems like a spectacular guy but you cannot justify getting picked off in any manner in the 9th, let alone on the ol’ fake-3rd-check-1st move. Cannot do it.
(Or win it. I have no idea why I said tie it there. I was absolutely thinking HR or bust. Maybe he would have missed home plate or something.)
Sickening loss. Although Nunez makes it, he shouldn’t be running. Gardner the take machine swings at a very wide ball 4. Grandy was lucky not to have been doubled and has NO business running. Mind boggling with a 32 HR guy at the plate. We are not the Yankees without Mo…
The fun part of all this is reading the comments here. Is it 2012 already?
We are only 6 games up on the angels now (i think) and they are red hot. The yankees are ice cold right now and we’re at home. These kinds of losses are inexcusable. What has happened to that team that whopped chicago’s ass?
Ice cold? Did we not just rally off Dan Haren? I see that as a positive. Mo i think will be fine in the long term once he figures it out…which more likely then not he will.
WELL WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD TO RALLY OFF HIM BECAUSE HE SHOULD BE ON THE YANKEES BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN HIM FOR JOBA AND PROBABLY LAIRD AND WE COULD HAVE THROWN IN CERVELLI THEN WE WOULD HAVE WON THE WORLD SERIES THE GIANTS SUCKED AND WE COULD HAVE BEATEN THEM!
ALL CAPS RAGE!!!!!!!
SO you are going to guarantee that this team will beat the Red Sox? Good luck with that. If we dont win the WS this season is a failure and more fodder for the media.
Nobody’s a guarantee to win the WS, not even the Red Sox. Things can turn around as early as tomorrow. We have the pitching matchup advantages the next two days and the superior lineup. And we did just win 7 in a row btw. The last two games have just been extremely frustrating.
I dont think the Red Sox will win either. I’m picking the Phillies over everybody.
the red sox can hit for sure, but i don’t think that staff has enough to make it.
they don’t have to beat the RS to make the playoffs or the WS.
No one guaranteed anything..but nearly every advance stats and anyone who doesn’t have their head up their ass will tell you in a short series, it can go either way.
May you be exiled to Kansas City.
i wish posada would just quit…walk away, jorge…do the admirable thing. this team needs to get younger and needs a spark plug. its time to move on. and take AJ with you. you can catch him in your backyard.
Lol, what does Jorge have to do with the loss?
more than you would know lmao
he’s taking up a roster spot..and he’s a negative influence on the team.
he’s as useless as tits on a nun.
You’re absolutely right about that. It’s a shame.
I like Jorge…but its time to go. the team needs energy..some youth. even if montero came up and stunk it would be more of a spark than jorge sitting there acting like a baby.
take your $100MM and be with your family. great career…but its time to go.
A negative influence!
What do you guys do after a tough loss like this?
Read up on the farm system.
Yep. I don’t rip my hair out like some others.
I think back to every year since about ’96 where Rivera’s looked terrible over a stretch of a few games. I think back to how bad the team looked over the stretch of a couple of games during every championship season. I think back to how I was just as much a Yankee fan in ’91. Then I have a shot and go to bed.
I’m eating a cheese sandwich. With extra mayonnaise. But I probably would have done this regardless of whether they won or lost.
trusty ‘ole porn! it never fails….80% of the time, it works all the time!
forget about it in about 30 seconds. what the hell can I do about it…no sense being upset about it.
my dad, on the other hand…he’ll stew for days…
I am more like your dad i guess. I’m still pissed about losing to the red sox. Being up in maine makes it all the worse cause I am surrounded by these moronic sox fans. I have honestly not been able to sleep well after a tough loss like this one.
Seems like you might need some real problems in your life.
haha this is probably true
it doesn’t help when you’re surrounded by idiots. i used to get all bent out of shape and pissed but that is such wasted time…i’d rather spend my time chatting with you fine folk on the blogs…now that’s productivity!
I grabbed another beer. Troegs Sunshine Pils. Makes me happy.
get ready for work.
Kick some ass, pop champagne, and get some ho’s!
You really must need to pass some sort of stress test in order to comment on game threads.
Again, for everyone who has decided that two freakishly paiful losses means that this team is going down the drain, look out your window: It is dark outside. Clearly, the sun has been destroyed and we have been plunged into ever-night.
They aren’t going down the drain but I think they are faltering a bit. And this is the worst time to falter heading into the playoff push. I don’t know about the rest of you but I’m not content with just getting the wild card. I want to win the division.
I really miss Alex. We need him back so badly. Next week can not come soon enough. I hope his presence reignites this fading offense. I know he’s never been all that clutch but maybe if we can actually get ahead a few runs clutch hitting won’t be so necessary.
The offense has been decent lately. The pitching? eehhhhh….
But yeah, not even a worry with A-Rod coming back.
hitting with runners on base has been pretty bad
Not really. They’ve been one of the best teams in the AL with runners in scoring position this year. A couple of games against the Red Sox doesn’t change that.
Also, Eduardo Nunez and Derek Jeter say hi.
What is more disturbing about Rivera this season is the inconsistency. He’s blown at least one save this season in every month outside of June. Last season, he had only blown 2 saves all year until September, when he had that one rough patch after getting overworked in a few games.
When he has 2 or 3 bad games and that’s it, you feel like in those other games he is invincible, and that it was just because of a lack of work. Now, it’s not just confined to bad stretches, it sometimes appears once in a while even when he’s pitching well, even when he’s been getting enough work.
He’s still one of the best, but he’s not a sure thing anymore, and that’s what’s been scary these last 2 years. Incredibly, Papelbon has only blown 1 save this year. If they had last year’s version blowing 7 or 8 saves, they would be in 2nd place. The games that Rivera’s been blowing are painful when the division race is this close.
I wonder where Papelbon will end up next year. I can’t see the Sox paying him.
And, I do believe they’ll miss him badly. He’s the biggest dousche in the MLB, but he’s been pretty good for them. I don’t think Bard has the cajones to close.
Philadelphia. They’re made for each other.
Yanks should try to trade AJ to the Phils…so he can be with Halladay.
As much as I dislike Papelbon as a human being, he has certainly been outstanding in his Red Sox career outside of last season. While people talk about Gonzalez, Pedroia, and Ellsbury as making the difference for Boston this year, I think you have to attribute some of it to Papelbon returning to form.
Papelbon last season blew 8 saves and took 7 losses. When you think about that, it kind of shows that Boston was actually playing much better on the whole than their final record suggested last season.
I agree that Bard may not be able to close as well as Papelbon. Bard seems to have a propensity for giving up home runs sometimes in tight games, and that’s not what you want to see from a closer.
Papelbon has been pretty solid for his career, but he has faltered in the last 3-4 yrs. Its not always seen in the blown save category.
He’s motivated this year, but he’s also had his share of crap outings.
Looking at the game log, it seems that Papelbon directly got the loss in 4 of his 8 blown saves last year. So those are 4 games that the Red Sox likely would have won with this year’s version, but lost last season.
They also lost 1 other game in which he blew the save (the one at YS in September), and he took the loss in 3 extra inning games.
It’s hard to say that a closer could make such a difference, but Papelbon was SO bad last year in some of his blown saves that you wonder if they would have been in the race if not for his exploits.
He was also shaky in 2009, giving up a lot more baserunners, but was somehow finding ways to get out of jams. Before 2009 though, he was lights out.
Rivera had a 1.7 ERA and 29 saves before Sunday.
GTFO, or STFU.
He also has a career low ground ball rate, lefties are hitting over .265 against him… His numbers on the whole are good, but it’s pretty obvious that he’s a touch below what he was even a few years ago.
I never said he isn’t one of the best closers in baseball still. But he’s not as sure a thing anymore, and he has been shakier this season even when getting the job done. Remember the game against Oakland a few Sundays ago?
Rivera’s ground ball rates:
Cutter runs per 100 pitches:
Which is coming from more LHB success vs. Rivera:
2009- .182 BAA
2010- .214 BAA
2011- .267 BAA
It’s been pretty obvious that he’s having trouble sometimes getting his cutter down in the zone, which I think explains the ground ball rate, and the lefties getting more bloop hits to the outfield rather than the weak ground balls we’ve been seeing .
Cherry picked. Check his other stats… his K/9, BB/9, HR/9, etc.
Cherry picked? Look at what you just cited.
HR/9? Luck based. His HR/FB rate was over 15% in 2009, because of those couple of awful games in May when the ball was flying out of Yankee Stadium. This year, it’s around 2-3%.
BB/9? Not necessarily indicative. He could be avoiding the bases on balls while still throwing lower quality strikes than in the past, such as ones which catch more of the plate. He avoided the walk to Abreu by giving up a home run on a cookie on 3-1.
K/9? A little better, but not ideal either. So many of his strikeouts are looking, that it depends somewhat on the patience of the hitters as well. It’s also his 2nd lowest K rate in the last 5 seasons, with only last season being worse.
My stats on the other hand are a bit more relevant. He gets fewer ground balls, which can be explained by him having some trouble getting the cutter down. Because more cutters are up in the zone, lefties who would normally get jammed and pull weak ground balls are now flaring bloop hits to the outfield. Because of that, he’s getting fewer lefties out.
Stuff a sox in in Red Sox troll. You’re just as bad at NYYFans as you are here. Give it a rest already.
Matt…..You’re still an idiot no matter where you post
Dont worry, Alex will come return wearing a damn cape on his back.
Alex will return**
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