Game 138: An Almost Perfect Lineup


(AP Photo/Gail Burton)

All they’re missing is Curtis Granderson, who’s getting a routine day off. Check it out…

Brett Gardner, CF
Derek Jeter, SS
Mark Teixeira, 1B
Alex Rodriguez, 3B
Robinson Cano, 2B
Nick Swisher, RF
Andruw Jones, LF
Russell Martin, C
Jesus Montero, DH

CC Sabathia, SP

First pitch is scheduled for a little after 1pm ET and can be seen on YES. Enjoy.

Rotation News: During his pregame press conference, Joe Girardi said a decision has been made about the rotation and that it will be announced after the game. He wants to make sure everyone involved knows what’s going on first. Feel free to speculate, but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who’s going to the bullpen.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Ross says:

    So how’s going to the bullpen then?


  2. Pat D says:

    I figured it out! Since CC is pitching today, he’ll be the one going to the bullpen!!!

  3. ted says:

    learn how to spell you idiot fucks

  4. Jesse says:

    As much as I hate to admit it, but Hughes will end up in the bullpen. And it sucks, we’re gonna have to deal with Burnett once every fifth day from here on until October, and Hughes will once again have a setback in his development. He needs more innings under his belt so he can pitch a full season next year, and sending him to the bullpen won’t help. Also, I personally believe that Hughes gives the Yankees a better chance to win over Burnett. But since Burnett is “our guy” he’ll end up starting.

  5. JonS says:

    How are you so sure Girardi won’t do something stupid? While we KNOW it should be Burnett, we still can’t be sure.

  6. Jeff says:

    Hate to see Hughes in the pen, but sensitive AJ the meth head would not be able to cope.

  7. Roland Deschain says:

    Phil Hughes will go to the pen. He did not pitch as well against the Sox as AJ and Phil was throwing gas in the 1st inning but then left a lot of pitches up over the plate when he tired. Playoff rotation-


    • Jesse says:

      So you’re basing your decision on a small sample size?

    • CS Yankee says:

      I can see 3 & 4 changing in your list, which would give SuperNova one start in a 7-game series (and zero in a 5 game).

      • Jesse says:

        And you want that to happen???

        • CS Yankee says:

          Really like Nova but worried about the low K rate. That Slider is great and his bread is still baking but he may correct somewhat.

          What I want is for them to get 28…Chief hasn’t recieved the respect he deserves as our #2. Nova & Colon are about equal to me to date and the Vet will likely get the nod. I’m good either way but would likely have Bart in g3 (as of today).

          • Jesse says:

            Ivan Nova K/9 and BB/9 season vs return from SWB

            Season: 5.5 K/9, 3.1 BB/9

            Return from SWB, 7/30: 6.5 K/9, 2 BB/9

            Sure the K/9 isn’t that great, but just because he doesn’t strike out a ton of batters doesn’t make him a bad option as a number two or three starter. I respect Garcia enough that he should be a number 2 or 3, so I may be in the minority in your eye. But I honestly don’t think Colon will last through the postseason to where he can start two games a series (like in the ALCS and WS).

  8. Dela G says:

    let’s go yanks!!

  9. CS Yankee says:

    Phil to the fifth!!!….AJ’s 5th that is.

  10. Brandon says:

    The writing was on the wall in August. It was just delayed because of Garcia. No way AJ was going to the bullpen. After his last start, they said, welp, his last 10 starts were just blibs on the radar. Unfortunately, 2 poor starts by Hughes doesnt help him. ALong with the fact, his velocity dropped from 95 to 92-93 after 3 innings in the last start.

    • CS Yankee says:

      Not too much to worry about unless injury occurs as psycho & phat aren’t in the top four (or so we hope).
      1) CaptCrunch
      2) Chief
      3) Big Bad Bart
      4) SuperNova

    • SDM says:

      that velocity part means absolutely nothing considering that hughes in 2010 had an average velocity of 92.5 his velocity in his start against the Sox was 92.68. As a starter Hughes only occasionally touches 95.

      With that said he will be the one to go to the pen (sadly) due to his two bad starts and because of AJ’s first decent start in the last two months

      • Jesse says:

        I agree with you on the velocity. Plus, Hughes short arms the ball, which apparently makes the ball look like it has more life to it, at least that’s what I’ve heard.

  11. nsalem says:

    I haven’t given ip on AJ yet

  12. Dan says:

    well, I am really glad Joe made a decision. nothing like taking a 25 year old and shelving his development for another year. this is just stupid. AJ may have 2 years left, but Hughes’ upside is still there, he just needs to pitch. another bullpen stint wont help. Hughes will end up closing for another team in 3 years because Girardi (or cashman) are too ignorant to recognize that he has to get innings. I hate to say it, but he has been Joba’d. And it kills me…..

    • CS Yankee says:

      Shelving Hughes if he misses four starts?…get real.

      Both suck this year, AJ moreso…but no big deal either way. Your talking about the fifth starter here. Not Joe’s issue or problem.

  13. Bavarian Yankee says:

    “… but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who’s going to the bullpen.”

    is it really that obvious? I’d put Hughes in the pen because he can’t command the fastball and he throws a ton of them.

  14. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    There’s no way they remove Burnett after changing his delivery or whatever they did last time. What I’d do is just keep the 6 man rotation for the rest of the year. The Yankees are far ahead on a playoff spot and so it won’t hurt them if Hughes/Burnett bombs, and they will be able to rest Colon and Garcia for the playoffs.

  15. bonestock94 says:

    Another nail in the coffin of Hughes’ development. I just hope the next generation of pitching prospects get handled better.

    • teddy says:

      hughes was handle, not yanks fault he had flukely injuries and losted his curveball

      • bonestock94 says:

        Eh, not sure the flip-flopping between the pen and the rotation did him any favors. I wouldn’t be shocked if he never leaves the bullpen again.

        • Greg says:

          He’s only been in the pen one year and he started two years. I dont call that flip flopping.

          • bonestock94 says:

            He was a starter in the minors, started a bit in the majors in ’07 and ’08, went to the pen in ’09 , came out of the pen in ’10, and now is likely headed back to the pen. I call that flip flopping.

      • Jesse says:

        Moving him to the bullpen in 2009 messed with his development, sure it helped the team, but it messed him up. In the end they should have moved Joba to the pen in 2009 mid season instead of Hughes, but oh well.

    • TacoGrande says:

      Don’t you mean:

      “I hope the next generation of free agent pitchers the Yankees sign don’t include another AJ”

      If the Yankees didn’t have the win now mentality, they wouldn’t have signed AJ (or CC for that matter). If given the ability to develop properly would Joba or Hughes be leading the team to another World Series title? We don’t know.

      However, will any of us care about the way hughes was handled if he is shutting it down in the pen and helping the Yankees win another title 2009 style?

      • bonestock94 says:

        Well that’s obvious, nobody wants an AJ type signing. Although his game 2 performance in the WS was crucial.

        That’s a tough question, obviously we liked what Hughes did in 2009. At the expense of having a good mid rotation starter for years to come? I don’t know, flags fly forever.

        Like I said before, I hope Banuelos and Betances are handled better.

      • CS Yankee says:

        Reading some of the BS narrative above, it will for some.

        The 2009 bullpen thing was a surprise to me but it helped him develop that FB better, gave him some success challenging hitters (ala Drob), and he started great in 2010. Comes in hurt or unconditioned this year and it’s the FO fault? These boys need to get real.

        • bonestock94 says:

          So you’re countering BS narrative with BS narrative? No fan has all the info, all I know is I’ve rarely seen flip flopping like I’ve seen with Chamberlain and Hughes.

          • CS Yankee says:

            If Hughes came back in July to the pen, I would be on the same page as you perhaps. However, Hughes hasn’t looked himself for over a year now and Bart actually outpitched others in ST but went to the pen to start the season.

            We have a very unusual thing occuring here, we have six starters who are healthy. Put the top four aside and out of the two left, there isn’t enough difference to argue about. One is healthy and has good innings but gets mental every 4-5 innings versus one who has/had deadarm and has trouble putting batters away.

            I clearly like hughes moreso long term,but the differnce is small. AJ costs 16.5 this year and every win hughes gets in September will costs arb dollars. i understand the decision and don’t buy the flip-flopping argument. Would you really like the 6th guy to play golf this month?

            • bonestock94 says:

              Now we’re on the same page. Interesting point about arbitration.

              I just fear future negative impacts from Hughes going into the pen. I feel that AJ is somewhat of a lost cause already.

      • Will says:

        Um, Hughes helped get the Yanks to the PS in 09, but once they got there, he was beyond awful, easily the worst pitcher they had on the roster.

        AJ, on the other hand, played a huge role in winning that WS, and also nearly saved the 10 ALCS from Hughes’ mediocrity (was just asked to go 1 batter too long after not pitching for like 3 weeks).

        I get that everyone here hates AJ and his contract, but the Yankees should use the bullets they have over the next 2 months, and that would make Hughes the odd man out.

        Commence flames–after all, this is a website where the Yankees’ “almost perfect lineup” substitutes a guy with 8 MLB at-bats for their best hitter this season.

        • bonestock94 says:

          No flaming here, but it’s not like the AJ hate is unjustified. He wasn’t horrible in ’09 and had the brilliant game 2 start. But 2010 and 11 have been horrendous.

          • Samuel Pacarro says:

            Really? How is it justified?

            The guy is hated like he’s Ed Whitson or Kei Igawa. When in truth, we don’t win a freaking World Series without him. That will always be a big deal for real fans of this team.

            Plenty of pitchers came and went from this organization and have performed worse than Burnett. Unfortunately, many fans never grew accustomed to A.J. up & down performance.

            But when you step up as big as possible in your first year, I always feel like you get a permanent veil of respect and even love.

            It isn’t too hard to find reasons to support A.J. when you reflect on the hardship and agony the previous 9 years were for any die-hard fan. Personally, I will always support Burnett for helping end the pain with some essential innings throughout the 09 season and postseason.

            P.S. Plus, to be fair, A.J. was not horrible every month in the past two years. In the past 11 months of play, A.J. has been effective for about 4-5 & ineffective for the other 6-7 months.

            Frankly, what was there to hate about Burnett’s season before July 1? He was damn effective as basically #3-4 starter in the initial 3 months of this season. IMO, the last two terrible months don’t erase the quality from initial 3 months.

            P.S.S. And for all those who scream, it was only one good start about his outing in Boston (arguably the biggest win of the season)- Why can’t we take a giant leap of faith on it?

            Didn’t all of the recent wave of Burnett hate begin with the infamous White Sox start? He was on notice ever since that start and the critics made sure to close in for the kill each time he didn’t excel after that.

            I say Burnett season was lost to many fans this past terrible month but, what’s the harm in trying to give him month to attempt save it? Afraid he might turn around his season because if does post a solid mid to high 3 FIP & ERA in the month he probably does.

  16. Urban says:

    I’m assuming it will be Hughes, and it really doesn’t matter all that much. Neither Hughes or AJ have been great and the four starters in the postseason will not include either of them. Hughes going to the pen makes it stronger and means Phil will be on the postseason roster. Unless AJ has a great September, it’s quite possible he doesn’t make it.

  17. teddy says:

    lets go cc!

  18. Greg says:

    I’m not a defender of AJ to be sure, but Hughes could have ended this easily against the A’s and the Sox.

    I’m for seeing if AJ’s new mwchanics hold up at least for one more start and letting Hughes pitch in winter ball to build up his arm strength.

  19. Urban says:

    Come on, Paulie. You played with Vic Raschi.

  20. Cy Pettitte says:

    Bautista’s been looking like a fool this series. pitching has handled him well.

  21. teddy says:

    nice k’s cc

  22. Karl Krawfid says:

    Shitty hit.

  23. Reg says:

    Since Larry worked with AJ on his new windup I’d give him another shot. His curve looked unhittable and had an extra 2 inch break to it.

  24. LiterallyFigurative says:

    Whining about the 5th starter on a team headed to the playoffs (Where at most they’re only using 4 starters) = pointless.

    Let Hughes go to the pen, where he’s most likely to end up anyway for the playoffs, and let AJ stay in the rotation. At best he works his wey into the playoff rotation, while more than likely he just pitches and is left off the postseason roster.

    • NJ_Andy says:

      The concern isn’t as much about this year as it is about the future. We want Hughes to improve and provide for the team for years to come.

      • LiterallyFigurative says:

        I do agree about Hughes development. But they aren’t going to weaken the teams playoff chances (meaning strnghtening the pen with Hughes)to get Hughes 5 starts in September.

        To me, it’s actually more important to lenghten the pen, and give SoRoMo more rest, especially after all the innings they’ve pitched lately.

        • NJ_Andy says:

          That’s what the 40 man roster is for though.

          The team’s makig the playoffs, no question, and they’ll have all of their starts rested thanks to the various minor leaguers who’ll fill in.

    • Mike HC says:

      I’m with you. At this point in September, it has got to be about setting up for the playoffs. Hughes has a chance to be a legitimate contributor in the pen that Girardi could trust, while I doubt AJ has that chance.

  25. Urban says:

    Let’s hope ten years from now younger Yankee fans are stunned to find out that their clean-up hitter in 2021, Jesus Montero, once batted ninth in the Yankee lineup.

  26. Karl Krawfid says:

    Bunt Jeter!

  27. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Me like first pitch steals.

  28. Cy Pettitte says:

    what a turn around from earlier this year. Brett looks amazing on the bases.

  29. Karl Krawfid says:

    Speed yeah

  30. Sarah says:

    Who doesn’t love a bad throw allowing Gardy to score?

  31. Monteroisdinero says:

    How about a 4 and “2 halves” rotation.

    AJ for 3+/Phil for 3+ (but no more than 4 per guy).

    Keep AJ and Phil on a 5th day schedule and have them both available for long relief in the post season. Crazy?

  32. Monteroisdinero says:

    Nice hustle Robbie.

  33. teddy says:

    i take that run

  34. Karl Krawfid says:

    Where the hell was that pitch

  35. Cy Pettitte says:

    Giving the hit up to Teahan was bad enough but Gardy just made that terrible.

  36. tom says:

    Gardy unfamiliar with the angle of center field? Or just an unlucky bounce?

  37. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    How the fuck did Molina become a .298 hitter?

  38. Karl Krawfid says:

    Should have gave CC that extra day.

    He doesn’t look sharp.

  39. teddy says:

    cc not looking good

  40. Roland Deschain says:

    Swisher should throw it over to Gardner and have him throw it in. That was horrid.

  41. Karl Krawfid says:

    Guess him getting squeezed ain’t helpin either.

  42. Cy Pettitte says:

    no runs for you!

  43. Jerome S. says:

    3 K, 0 BB O HR but a million balls in play falling for hits.

  44. teddy says:

    good job not allowing any runs

  45. LiterallyFigurative says:

    I know this is a little off topic, but:

    If you were Toronto management, and you’ve seen your .500 team battle in this division, would you go aggressive this offseason and try and bulk up your team with big FA’s, particilarly some protection for Bautista? Maybe try for a CJ Wilson to add to Romero, Morrow and Drabek?

    You’ve got Bautista, Lawrie, Arencibia, Escobar, Lind (sort of). Imagine that, with a Prince Fielder (or Phat Albert) batting cleanup!

    Plus, the Canadian dollar is stronger than ours, so 100 million Loonies is greater than 100 million Washingtons. Obviosly the players would have to want to go to Toronto. But if they were good, the Blue Jays would have fans in the seats. Maybe the investments might get the fans initially interested.

    I’ve got lots of family in Toronto, so baseball does get talked about sometimes. I’d like your opinionms.

  46. Hummingbird S. says:

    That punchout is simply awesome

  47. Jesse says:

    I love that strike 3 call by the ump.

  48. Jesse says:

    Fuck you Lawrie, you talented, talented, son of a bitch.

  49. A-Rod's Wingman says:

    Cecil can’t find the strike zone stop swinging at anything that isn’t meat.

  50. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Brett Lawrie is officially on my shit list.

  51. Mike HC says:

    Is that the new company line?

    “Those seats aren’t empty, everyone is just hanging out in the restaurant.”

    • Jesse says:

      There’s probably some truth to that, although “everyone” isn’t in the restaurant. The fact is that not all of those seats are sold, but everyone probably knows that.

      But what I found funny was that Girardi won’t make his decision on the #5 starter until after the game, and Michael Kay said jokingly that the reason they’re waiting is to raise ratings for the postgame, but honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if that was the case.

  52. teddy says:

    good job cc, now is jesus turn

  53. flamingo says:


  54. Cy Pettitte says:

    a hit for Jesus!

  55. The Big City of Dreams says:

    Montero on fire lol.

  56. Monteroisdinero says:

    Jesus-don’t ever bat me 9th again-Montero!

  57. teddy says:

    good job jesus 2 for his last 2

  58. Xstar7 says:

    Jesus hath raptured the ball into where the Gardner roams.

  59. Urban says:

    Cano’s advice? Count to ten? Batshit crazy.

    What Cano really said was swing at anything and everything. A foot over your head? No problem? Swing. In the dirt? Swing.

  60. Cy Pettitte says:

    clearly hits his hand

  61. Sarah says:

    Love a free baserunner, but I don’t think Gardy can steal with Jesus on 2nd.

  62. LiterallyFigurative says:

    How dare Girardi bat the Savior 9th?

    Smite him!

  63. mbonzo says:


  64. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Holy Jeter.

  65. Cy Pettitte says:

    awww yea I love post-DL Jeter.

  66. flamingo says:

    That DID NOT just happen! :D

  67. Mickey Mantle's Outstanding Experience says:

    Good thing they didn’t bunt.

  68. LiterallyFigurative says:

    Jeter with some pull power!!!!


  69. Mickey Scheister says:

    Homeruns by Cervelli, Gardner and Jeter this series. Ha!

  70. Kostas says:

    El Capitan to all you haters…. Suck this!

    Man, I wish I could see all the hatred again for Jeter… He is so old, outdated, shouldn’t be a SS, has to be on the juice otherwise he would not be able to hit ball out of the infield.

  71. forensic says:

    If only he had bunted…

  72. The Big City of Dreams says:

    And they thought I was shot

    The slap hitter at short

    • Kostas says:

      They still do, including people on this thread. Just hard to open their mouths right now. But give them time. One 0-4 day and back on the chopping block.

      • StanfordBen says:

        I’m one of the people who thought he was shot. It wasn’t based on an 0-4 day, it was based on 1.5 full seasons of not great hitting. I thought he’d continue like that. I also thought he was in the lower half of SS’s defensively, which I still think.

        Now it looks like he’s still hitting well. One 0-4 day won’t make me think he sucks. So far in 2010-11 we’ve seen him suck for 1.5 seasons and be pretty good for 2 months. Hopefully those 1.5 seasons were the blip, not the 2 months, but there’s a chance he’ll go back to sucking, and if I had to guess I’d say it’s somewhere in between going forward.

        • Kostas says:

          I think, like most, your new found respect for Jeter will be short lived. Trust me, he will do something to bring on the hatred… 0-4 day will be the start.

          • StanfordBen says:

            Well I can tell you that your prediction is wrong. I don’t evaluate players based on one game, or even one or two months. No matter what happens the rest of this season, it will have been a good season for Jeter. If he’s batting .260 with low power and OBP through June of next year, then yeah, my confidence in him will be low again.

        • Jetrer says:

          in fairness, the 2 months were much better than pretty good, and suck for 1.5 seasons is a bit strong. He wasn’t playing at his usual standards, but he was at least average offensively for a shortstop, and roughly average defensively. Middle of the pack doesn’t qualify as “sucks”.

          • StanfordBen says:

            Right, he was around average for a SS, which is not great for a hitter overall. I didn’t want him to be DFA’d or anything, I was just annoyed that him leading off was this holy thing and he had made the Yanks front office look bad in asking for such a ridiculous contract. All I wanted was for him to bat lower in the lineup (6th, maybe), which I thought was appropriate for the league average SS.

            • Jetrer says:

              yeah, that was my complaint too, except only against RHP. His numbers against lefties were very good last year and this year, but they had better options against righties, especially while Gardner was hot and Jeter was still struggling
              Overall, I can’t complain about Jeter’s season though, he’s been better than I expected. Still concerned about the length of the contract though.

  73. Xstar7 says:

    The Derek Jeter revival continues.

  74. Jetrer says:

    Gardner HR Friday, Cervelli HR Saturday, Jeter HR Sunday
    wtf is going on

  75. in all honesty... says:

    That’s the game.

    Nice sweep fellas.

  76. teddy says:


  77. swishers fauxhawk says:

    Zombie Jeter craves brains.

  78. StanfordBen says:

    Kind of cool to actually hear what the ump is saying to the manager there. I always wondered what they say out there for so long. I still kind of wonder, because it just sounds like each person says what they think happened, and then they just repeat it over and over again till the manager gets bored and leaves.

  79. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Are you shitting me Robbie?

  80. Karl Krawfid says:

    Jeter has been hot.

    He can get 4000 hits now.

  81. Karl Krawfid says:

    So this guy was crushing the ball against Nova and was getting robbed left and right.

    Now he has 2 bloop hits. Fuck baseball.

  82. LiterallyFigurative says:

    My guess for the quiz:

    Roger Clemens

  83. mbonzo says:

    Here comes the AJ CC implosion.

  84. Jimmy McNulty says:

    So…Hughes is going to the pen. I knew it would happen months ago, sad to see another starter get Joba’d basically. He’s gonna pitch what? 80 innings this year? Can he realistically get 50 or 60 innings in fall/winter ball? Or are they just going to let him go into next year unprepared to pitch a full season?

    • Jerome S. says:

      Well this year it’s mostly because of injury. Even if he got these last several starts, he wouldn’t break 100 innings. It blows, but what can you do?

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        I’d at least like to see him given a chance to succeed or fail on his own merits. So this is what, his third wasted year of development? Given his lack of a third pitch, his flyball tendencies, and inability to get swinging strikes he probably wouldn’t have been a successful starter anyways…they basically threw another road block in his path by moving him to the pen when he was trying to work through his troubles in the rotation.

        • Jerome S. says:

          Well he’s certainly had his chance to succeed or fail… now don’t me wrong, I’m a huge Hughes fanatic, but I don’t think this as much of an outrage as we might perceive it as. AJ obviously is the worst starter for the Yankees, and Phil should stay in the rotation, but this year was a mulligan when he got that dead arm in April. A few September starts won’t fix it.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            I wasn’t suggesting that a few September starts would fix it, but is what I am suggesting is that a few September starts will help moreso than a trip to the bullpen. He needs to build stamina as a starter and he needs to learn how to use all of his pitches as a starter.

        • forensic says:

          So his 5 (4.99) career era in 69 starts has nothing to do with his own merits? His lack of a third pitch has nothing to do with his own merits?

          • Jerome S. says:

            Doesn’t mean he can’t improve.

            • forensic says:

              Though I really don’t have faith that he can, that’s not at all what I said there.

              He said he’d like him to fail or succeed on his own merits, implying that nothing involved in his career status until now has been his own fault.

            • The Big City of Dreams says:

              True he can turn things around. Hughes has had a weird ride in the big leagues but there are times when fans make it seem like he’s been given the short end of the stick. His leash is a lot longer than Joba or Kennedy ever had.

              • Jimmy McNulty says:

                Yeah, it makes me think that they either A.) Hated Joba’s medicals and to some degree didn’t like a few things in Joba’s jacket or B.) Turned down a couple of big trades involving Hughes. Probably a bit of both, but I can’t help but to think that if he were on another team he’d have gotten a chance at starting. When the next Bill James book comes out it’s gonna be an interesting competition between Hughes and Joba for the “Can I try this career again?” award.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            Well I don’t really think that he has had much of a chance to succeed or fail on his own. In 2007 he pulled a hamstring and hurt his ankle during rehab. I really don’t think those starts say much about him, positive or negative, anyways. He was an emergency call up and he was what? 21 in the bigs. In 2008 he, and the rest of the rotation, was thrown to the wolves. He got hurt and had a decent end of the season. In 2009? Well, those stats are a bit misleading. He was boss for a good part of the year. He had a shittastic start in Baltimore and other than that his only bad start came against the Red Sox after an hour plus rain delay. Overall I’d say he pitched well out of the rotation, he made seven starts and pitched the rest of the season out of the bullpen just when he was hitting his stride. He didn’t have a chance to build on the improvements that he made, nor did he have a chance to build that precious stamina that he’d need as a starter in the majors. Instead, he was tasked with pitching a full season as the third starter in 2010 despite not even pitching 100 innings the year before and spending much of the year before that injured. He had a good first half, fizzled towards the second half. Part of it was regression to the mean, but part of it had to be a bit of dead arm too.

            Now, at the present in 2011: he had dead arm the first few starts of the year and got bombed. Roy Halladay or Justin Verlander are probably the only pitchers in baseball that can throw with dead arm, a young starter that still needs to learn a few things in the bigs? No chance in hell. He’s still recovering and building arm strength after a pretty serious case of dead arm, and he still needs to be in the ML rotation if the team ever wants him to become a successful starter.

            So to answer your question: No, I don’t think he’s been given a good chance to succeed or fail on his own merits. When he was hitting his strides in the bigs at the tender age of 23, he was moved to the bullpen. He was a smashing success, but at the point in his career where he should have been learning how to use all of his pitches effectively, developing a training and post start regimen that will keep him fresh and strong, and learning how to put away hitters with two strikes he was moved to the bullpen where he pretty much only had to use his fastball. In 2010 I don’t know how they let him throw all those innings despite not cracking 120 IP since 2006. He’s been set up to fail quite a bit, and right when the kid’s trying to work through his problems or hit his stride they seem to put him in the bullpen or he gets hurt. Now, don’t get me wrong, health is a skill to some degree but a lot of Hughes’ injuries are of the “shit happens” variety.

            You’re right he’s had 69 career ML starts, several of them have been while suffering from dead arm, a few of them have come before he was able to legally drink, and some have been when he’s been recovering from an injury. Don’t forget that those 69 starts have came over five years in the big leagues…so he’s been basically getting 14 starts a year, Jeff Karstens has thrown together fourteen good starts and everyone’s had fourteen bad ones. I’d hardly say that’s a harbinger of what’s to come from him. Yes, he needs to do his part too…don’t get me wrong, but it seems like the Yankees haven’t let him do his part.

            Look our bitter enemies that play in this tiny ass park that smells like piss and farts. Did they jerk Buchholz or Lester around from the rotation to the bullpen during their troubles? Nope. They let them work out their problems on their own, or at the worst they let them solve their problems in the minors while starting. Granted, they also have Tim Wakefield who could have covered for either and pitched serviceably for a few months, but still…they kept their pitchers in the rotation and forced them to sink or swim as a starter. I know some one’s going to bring up Masterson, but that’s completely different. Masterson was thought of as a reliever by some when coming up due to his problems with lefties. He pitched out of the pen for a bit, but by the time he was traded he had an established role. He pitched seven games out of the bullpen for Cleveland, but a few of them were to monitor his innings and his role was never questioned. He still got his starts and he still got the time he needed in a major league rotation.

    • Karl Krawfid says:

      He should have been sent to AAA.

  85. Karl Krawfid says:


  86. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    I guess that inning could have been worse. GJ limiting the damage.

  87. teddy says:

    still got a lead, lets go offense cc haven’t been great in august, not looking great today either

  88. Jesse says:

    I wanna see Jesus go Oppo Taco upper deck style.

  89. Sarah says:

    Maybe Swish needs a day off next?

  90. Karl Krawfid says:

    Feels like Bautista has come up to bat every inning man.

  91. Cy Pettitte says:

    perfect inning for CC, keeps his pitch count down

  92. DZ says:

    This sucks, it’s so obvious that Hughes is going to bullpen, when he hasn’t pitched nearly as poorly as burnett. Vs the sox, he had by far his best stuff, he got some bad luck, and ended up with 6 earned (maybe it was 5?) His line could’ve went 6.2 and only given up 3 runs, worst part is that hughes will now lose more time for development, and will get less of an opportunity next season.

    • Urban says:

      It doesn’t suck. It doesn’t matter. It’s not as if Hughes did anything to distinguish himself this year and neither has AJ. They are both the weakest starters in the rotation.

      Yet Hughes losing four or five starts in September will have zero impact on his development or his chances of making the Yankee rotation next year (assuming he’s not traded). Since he’s not going to be be one of the four starters in the postseason, going to the pen increases his chances of making the postseason. AJ is the one who is at risk of not making the postseason, unless he somehow puts up a very strong September.

      • Jetrer says:

        only problem I see is if one of the top 4 gets injured in the last couple of weeks, AJ would be the only stretched out option. Hopefully nobody gets hurt.

  93. Sarah says:

    Cano making it look easy again.

  94. tom says:

    That short inning certainly improved CC’s chances of saving the bullpen.

  95. mbonzo says:

    Jesus is saving my fantasy team!

  96. The Big City of Dreams says:

    Jesus :)

  97. Jesse says:

    Yes, Jesus is 3 for his last 3. He has risen!!!!!!

  98. teddy says:

    nice jesus well done

  99. Cy Pettitte says:

    2,997 more #countdowntoJesus3k

  100. Xstar7 says:

    Jesus has three hits, all to almost exactly the same part of the field.

  101. pop up teixeira says:

    Jesus is enfuego!

  102. Sarah says:

    Don’t swing at the first pitch, guys.

  103. Dela G says:

    This jesus kid is something, eh? Sort of holy

  104. Urban says:

    Lost in the whole Granderson/defense discussion was something Mark Simon said during his ESPN Podcast last week. I believe he said something like Cano basically just completed what had the greatest single defensive month of any player since they started the Dewan plus/minus rating system.

    Not sure, however, whatt he hell that means when considering it’s small sample sizes. It also didn’t show up in UZR, although Dewan’s system is better.

  105. Cy Pettitte says:

    love this ump, lol

  106. Sarah says:

    I love watching this ump call a strikeout. He’s extremely animated.

  107. teddy says:

    good job cc,runs please

  108. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Haha ARod was like “FUCK” when he hit that.

  109. teddy says:


  110. Jetrer says:

    lol, ARod yelling “fuck” when he hit that

  111. Mike Axisa says:

    Haha, A-Rod cursed at himself after contact.

  112. mbonzo says:

    I’ve never seen a hitter so pissed when he hit that homerun.

  113. forensic says:

    FUCK!!! Just another damn home run.

  114. Cy Pettitte says:

    lmao at Cecil, that was fucking hilarious. Gif that please

  115. Cy Pettitte says:

    ARod telling the fans to be quiet so he can concentrate

  116. Urban says:

    Two HRs in twenty-four ABs for Alex since his return from surgery. Hopefully a positive sign on the power front.

  117. teddy says:

    great job cc, should he stay in and face kelly johnson

    • Jetrer says:

      I wouldn’t, 3 run lead, and he threw a ton of pitches last start. Give him a break, the bullpen should be able to manage 2 innings with a 3 run lead

  118. Urban says:

    You don’t need to take your caps off and place them over your heart for God Bless America, folks. That’s for the national anthem.

  119. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    The power of JESUS.

  120. Karl Krawfid says:

    Come on Scotty Proctor proof this game please.

  121. forensic says:

    Laddie just looks like a huge asshole in many ways.

  122. Mike Axisa says:

    Would be a good day to give Scott Proctor the eighth. Give one of Soriano/Mo a little more of a breather.

    • NHYankeesFan says:

      Id rather use Wade the last 2 innings. at least he’s reliable

    • Cy Pettitte says:

      Proctor pitching to Bautista would be…….interesting.

    • forensic says:

      It’s a bit baffling to me that people would rather proctor pitch in this game than Ayala, or even Pendleton…

      • Urban says:

        They don’t want Proctor to replace Ayala. It’s simply sentimental. He’s representative of Torre’s weakness at the end of abusing a single pitcher, so many would like to see him make it into another Yankee game after he left his arm at the old Yankee Stadium. He even had a blog named after him, Scott Proctor’s Arm, which I think ceased publication.

    • Sarah says:

      In the alternative, score some more runs so Mo doesn’t have to pitch.

  123. Sarah says:

    Wow. The Yanks are running all over the Jays this series.

  124. Nom Chompsky says:

    Good time for a double steal.

  125. Urban says:

    Yankee fans are worried about Hughes, but Matuz has been a disaster whose gotten worse as the season progressed.

    Looks like another start for Montero tomorrow with another lefty on the mound.

  126. Cy Pettitte says:

    looks like CC is going back out there?

  127. Jesse says:

    My player of the game pick: Jesus Montero.

  128. Karl Krawfid says:

    Would have let CC face Bautista since he owns em.

    Oh well.

    GJ big CC.

  129. flamingo says:

    Hang on, CC’s two away from 2,000 strikeouts?

  130. Xstar7 says:

    CC with 10 K’s, nice. Remember when we were worried about CC’s strikeout rates earlier in the year? Now he’s one of the top 5 strikeout pitchers in the MLB.

  131. flamingo says:

    Yeah, so Bautista was angry.

  132. forensic says:

    Just couldn’t get through the whole series without him homering…

  133. teddy says:

    oh well, where was that pitch before the hanging slider

  134. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Geez that was a bomb.

  135. Karl Krawfid says:

    How many breaking balls are you gonna throw? I mean Jesus christ.

  136. Kostas says:

    HR hitter batting… give him very hittable pitch.

    Soriano – Another Randy Levine fucking production.

    As poor of a job as Levine does, you’d think he’d run for Congress and really apply his skill.

  137. pop up teixeira says:

    a series with the jays wouldn’t be a series if Bautista doesn’t at least hit 1 homerun…

  138. Roland Deschain says:

    Soriano’s gonna blow the ballgame. Hughes to the 7th.

  139. Karl Krawfid says:

    Soriano is gonna give this up.

  140. Countryclub says:

    2nd appearance in a row where soriano is struggling to get it over 90

  141. Brandon says:

    Question, we all know that Hughes is going to the bullpen. What if AJ sucks again his next outing? At that point, it’ll seem like the Boston start was a blip on the radar. What will they do then? Move Hughes back? Or be content with an automatic loss once every 5 days for a month.

    • Jetrer says:

      doesn’t have to be an automatic loss, even if AJ sucks, with the expanded rosters, they should just keep AJ on an extremely short leash so he can’t do too much damage

      • Brandon says:

        Dude. This is AJ Burnett we are talking about. He probably has some bad dirt on Cashman and Girardi. If it was any one else that was completely dreadful for a good 3 straight starts, they would have met the bullpen or the minors. AJ was dreadful for like 10 straight starts. No way he’ll be on a short leash. Only way he is taken out early is if he gives up 7 ER and the bases are loaded.

    • MikeD says:

      Straw man.

      Same can be said if Hughes started every fifth day.

  142. rconn23 says:

    Texas is about to hit the killshot against Boston. Bases loaded, no outs up 4-0.

  143. Jerome S. says:

    Cano for MVP, amiright?

  144. flamingo says:


  145. Karl Krawfid says:

    Oooooh Baby!

  146. mbonzo says:

    Wow that ball got out quick.

  147. Jetrer says:

    good, now give Mo the day off

  148. Mike Axisa says:

    And boom goes the dynamite.

  149. Cy Pettitte says:

    Swish! nice, give Mo the day off, let Wade handle the 9th

  150. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    That was a rocket.

  151. pop up teixeira says:

    take that jose bautista!

  152. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    9-0 Rangers!

  153. Karl Krawfid says:

    9-0 Texas

  154. Karl Krawfid says:

    Proctor proof.

  155. Brandon says:

    So, since Mo won’t pitch the 9th now, can we give it to Proctor but have Mo warming just in case? I wanna see Proctor pitch!

  156. Cy Pettitte says:

    they had to pinch run for Jesus? he would have gotten another AB.

  157. teddy says:

    damm montero got ran for!!

  158. Cy Pettitte says:

    Nunie does his best Montero impression

  159. Cy Pettitte says:

    Jeter slam off this lefty.

  160. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Jeter grand slam!

  161. Karl Krawfid says:

    Jeter is hot son.

    Proctor Proof.

  162. flamingo says:


  163. Xstar7 says:

    Captain Clutch! They have to let Proctor pitch now.

  164. pop up teixeira says:

    5 rbi’s for the captain

  165. MikeD says:

    Assuming it made no difference to the number of Yankee wins this year, would RABers prefer Mo breaks Hoffman’s career saves record this year, or next season?

    Not even sure why I’m asking the question, but I am.

  166. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    No Proctor? boooooo…

  167. Jesse says:

    Why Cory Wade and not Pants Lendleton? A 6 run cushion is good enough for Pants to pitch, but oh well.

  168. Sarah says:

    This game is so much awesome.

  169. Mariano's Pimp Hand says:

    The captain’s last 5 RBI game was on June 18, 2005.

  170. MikeD says:

    Nice game.

    Any close-up shots during the game of AJ or Phil to see if one was crying?

  171. Sarah says:

    Love Jeter with the ARod pop ups comment. So much love.

  172. Cy Pettitte says:

    Hughes, AJ pitching Tuesday and Wednesday. Yes, more six-man rotation. #nyy

    so the decision was a non decision!/Ledger_Y.....2709958656

    • Jetrer says:

      a good non-decision, IMO

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      I kinda thought they’d do that. Taking Hughes or AJ out would go against the whole “not basing it on one start” thing.

    • MikeD says:

      I thought that was already announced, meaning there would be one more turn through the six-man. I figured today the announcement would be which one was falling out of the rotation after Wednesday.

  173. Jedile says:

    So anyone notice Cory wade’s beard starting? Looks like he is trying Brian Wilson style!

    • Monteroisdinero says:

      no facial hair on the Yanks-unless you are Thurman Munson or Sparky Lyle or…..

      • Jedile says:

        Yeah i know this. Mustache is okay, but beards are not. That is why I am questioning this cause he is looking rather furry. I am sure next time out he will be clean though. aha

  174. Monteroisdinero says:

    Cory Wade needs a shave.


  175. Brandon says:

    Looks like if Hughes does good and AJ struggles, AJ could be the one to go.

  176. nick says:

    rotation stays as is, freddy, hughes, AJ next three games.

  177. Gonzo says:

    Lackey’s ERA is over 6.00! All is right with the world.

  178. Wow, what a lineup! An All Star team! Fill in Curtis Granderson in the leadoff spot and a bigger name at the DH spot; maybe like an Adam Dunn or Big Papi and that is perhaps one of the greatest lineups of all time.
    But what does the bullpen consist of? lol.

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