Sep
11
Game 145: I remember what winning felt like
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It felt pretty awesome. Let’s do that again, pretty please? Here’s the lineup…
Derek Jeter, SS
Curtis Granderson, CF
Mark Teixeira, 1B
Robinson Cano, DH
Jesus Montero, C
Eric Chavez, 3B
Andruw Jones, RF
Eduardo Nunez, 2B
Brett Gardner, LF
Freddy Garcia, SP
It’s a 3:35pm ET start, and you can watch on YES. Try to enjoy.
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I’m starting to forget what Mo looks like.
I’m starting to forget what Michael Kay’s catchphrase was after every win….
Freddy to Jesus should be…..interesting. I’m preparing for a frustrating game.
Just gotta believe this is the game the Yankees turn it around in.
and
Lester is getting smacked around quite a bit, oh how I’m enjoying it.
the only thing that makes this losing streak tolerable is that the Sox have been even worse. Sox nation is in full blown panic mode.
It’s true, I was on OTM earlier and the blog itself is calling this a nightmare scenario. And, as Red Sox fans go, they’re usually pretty level-headed.
I don’t like Montero catching EVER. His bat is just too valuable for the risk involved.
Make him a 21 year old exclusive DH? That’s not gonna happen.
It’s likely gonna happen anyway as according to everyone he doesn’t have the skills to catch in the majors. He can play 1B when Tex is a free agent in 5 years, Montero will be 26.
If he was as bad of a catcher as everyone says, why is he catching a pitcher like Freddy? I don’t think his defense will be as good as Martin’s, but it’ll be better than we think.
I’m pretty sure his throwing numbers have been awful the last 2 years in triple A (I don’t have them). The caught stealing percentage is poor but the amount of attempts is what’s really alarming.
We probably won’t be able to tell anything from a single game, good or bad. It would be an accumulation of starts that will make it clear where Montero stands as a a catcher.
That all said, there’s no reason for fans to doubt the consistent reports from scouts and talent evaluators that Montero is a below average defensive catcher. It’s not like there’s been some conspiracy among talent evaluators to talk him down.
it’s because he’s caught Freddy before at rehab. He’s only got experience with Nova and Freddy so i think for his first outing, they’d like to do it with someone he knows.
The risk involved in……being a catcher? I wasn’t aware they had to wear Kevlar back there.
See Joe Mauer.
So only catchers get injured, and if Mauer wasn’t a catcher he’d be completely healthy?
Have to believe catching has contributed greatly to Mauer’s injuries. Don’t you?
Jesus Montero and Joe Mauer: Two different people.
Nope. Everyone has the same career arc, regardless of organizational philosophy and personal luck.
Certainly possible, and certainly possible that he gets injured at any other position. You can put great hitting catchers behind the plate and they can go on to have long, fruitful careers. You pull him because he can’t handle it defensively, not because Joe Mauer got hurt.
I’d much prefer he not be the primary catcher in the future though. As a primary catcher, he would probably be limited to starting maybe 130 games a year, and with increased injury risk. As primary DH, backup catcher, he should be able to start at least 150 games/year with much less of the wear and tear of catching. They do need him to be able to catch at least part-time though, considering ARod is going to need quite a bit of DH time going forward.
……whose gravestone has been far from written.
Every catcher seemingly too big for his position will not go through the same career trajectory. Time will tell.
Not all big catchers are considered “too big” to catch and not all big catchers are created equally. Some from the very start already exhibit slow reflexes and poor movement behind the plate, and have the body type that projects poorly.
My question about Montero is can be be competent behind the plate for a few years before he transitions, perhaps to first base after Tex leaves.
I have an open mind, but it’s up to Montero to prove to reports wrong.
That’s a different point than what this thread/argument/whateverthisis started as, though. I can go with some of what you’re saying here. I think the “when does he transition to first” stuff is a bit premature, but I do think he has to prove the scouting reports wrong, as you do.
Exactly.
If he’s so terrible a catcher, why has he been CATCHING all friggin year?
To continue to develop his skills, to learn how to catch under the guidance of Wynegar, and to give time for the Yankees to continue to assess his ability behind the plate.
Mike Piazza would like a word.
10 years later and we are still going strong. We will never forget. Oh and the 9/11 special that YES had was very strong and touching.
And they shall win again.
It has been written.
amen
I predict RAB will shut down after Montero’s first passed ball.
“SYSTEM OVERLOAD! Montero is the worst catcher ever!”
How many “See? I knew it all along!” posts will there be? Who’ll blame it on Girardi first? When will Cliff Lee’s name enter the game thread?
Answers to:
Question 1: 47
2: Too many obvious suspects to choose from
3: 3:47 EST
….and someone will blame it on Texeira popping up too often.
That will happen at 3:42 EST
It’s goddamn Teixera’s fault!
Holy shit….you were right.
The Yankees suck!!!! Why didn’t Cashman sign Cliff Lee?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Teddy must be having a late brunch.
That’s the spirit!
It’d be sweet to have not-so-fast Freddy work his magic today and have the bats come alive against the lesser of the three pitchers the Yanks have faced this series. Finger crossed today.
Fingers crossed, toes crossed, eyes crossed.
I have a feeling the Yankees will turn it around today. Hopefully Sweaty Freddy doesn’t get too sweaty out there.
Lestah with 110 pitches in 4 innings. I have to think that’s it for him.
Lester hates America.
He plays for America’s team doesn’t he?
Inefficient pitching = The terrorists win
Really only Toronto is allowed to lose today, which makes for some complicated games.
I was sitting next to a guy that got hit in the head with a foul ball Friday.
Everyone in my section lost the ball in the lights lol
Yep. Lestah done aftah 4 innings. 8H, 4ER, 111 pitches.
Game over.
The Yankees are EXPANDING the zone. Not the way to break out of a slump!!
Grandy that’d be a bad record to break.
Teix is too predictable
The nightmare just doesn’t stop.
1-2-3 inning.
Something new and exciting for the offense!
Swinging at balls!
Impressive. Jesus caught the first pitch without bursting into dust.
Or imploding/exploding.
Or without getting crucified.
I’m just glad he didn’t whiff and let it him in the face
Who signed Andre the Giant and let him catch?
seeing eye single, how appropriate.
Is Sterling going on and on about the type of hits the Angels always seem to get? Can someone confirm?
I can confirm the Angels hit plenty of infield singles.
“How d’ya like that, Suzyn? Another seeing-eye single.”
Freddy Garcia and Jesus Montero. The second entirely Venezuelan battery the Yankees have.
Who’s the first, Freddy and Frankie?
Yep.
what about JR? way to leave him out Kay.
Kay always uses the “and Gary Sanchez may be the best of them!” line and forgets Murphy. I think he thinks it makes him sound smart when he uses that line.
wtf
yea it’s gonna be another one of those games.
Ruh-roh.
Betances.
this. Betances or Brackman please.
Wow, that wasn’t a homerun.
I was hoping for the good Freddy today, not the one who took the mound last time.
LOL
And then UPton hits a Grandslam.
well at least the Red Sox are getting their asses kicked
Kendrick is a fucking Yankee Killer.
8-1 Rays, when this game is over, the Rays will be 3 games behind the Red Sox in the loss column.
oh shit Upton. at least the Sox are getting rocked.
Fat Albers to the rescue!!
remember when he had like 2.50 ERA? lol
him and Bard have absolutely atrocious
The Yankees have 3 weeks to pull their heads out of their asses or they’re not gonna be long for October.
Over/under on runs for the Yanks today: 2.5
My game plan for this game: pay attention for a few innings until I feel like bashing something in, then go to the batting cages to bash some balls.
they dont turn it around against seattle, this will be a rough last couple of weeks.
At least we aren’t as panicked as Red Sox fans, this shit is crazy though for both teams. If it’s a Tigers, Rangers, Rays, Angels playoffs, I don’t even know…
At the end of the day, don’t you worry, the Yanks and Red Sox will make the rest of the country roll their eyes come October.
Ugh
Nice recovery. Normally being down two runs in the first would not be reason for concern, but runs haven’t been easy. That’s gotta change soon.
the Yankees got a hit? are they allowed to do that?
Yes, as long as they don’t get runs. Those are apparently the rules we’re working under these days.
All right Jesus, let’s make something of that leadoff single.
Joe should just put a complete AAA lineup out there tomorrow so everyone gets a day off and there are no excuses.
or they can take advantage of the good part of the bullpen finally being rested (depending on how today goes obviously) and try to win
At least the runner advanced.
that’s as good as having Jesus bunt!!
Girardi’d
Even Montero’s strikeouts are productive, LOL.
Jesus doesn’t love America.
Montero should never catch again, effective immediately. Clearly it’s screwing with everything else.
It’s Girardi’s fault. Cliff Lee. No wait, it’s always Teixera’s fault.
what about Javy?
Oppenheimer’s fault
Someone might actually try that one. I hate the internet.
Holy fuck a run!!!
Hey, a run. Not sure how to react to one of these.
Pop some bubbly, I have a bottle for each inning they score a run.
Eric Chavez: “Suck mah balls.”
OMG!!!!!
What is this welling up in my eyes? What is this feeling?
Chavez is good at baseball.
What? Isn’t it illegal for the Yankees to score? Somebody has to notify Bud Selig about this….
Then again, he probably wouldn’t do anything about it anyway.
A RUN!!!!
Halle-friggin-lujah!
And then Scutaro throws it over Agon to give Rays a free pass.
all this ‘don’t panic’ talk is easy to say from an objective, small sample size POV, but this showing the last week or so from the O is pa-thet-ic. I can’t see how a fan isn’t feeling some sense of uneasiness at this point.
Head: spinning.
It’s just a slump, there’s plenty of schedule left for them to snap out of it.
Fan uneasiness hasn’t to do with merely the “slump” part of it. It’s the complication of slump + injuries to key players + some sense that things aren’t right with a staff that can’t be sure of anything after Sabathia.
You think we have it bad? How do you think Red Sox fans feel right now?
Thank God for the Rays – They’re killing the BoSox. When are the Yankees going to take advantage, win a game and put some distance between themselves, the BoSox and the suddenly surging Rays?
Nunez is an auto out.
For some odd reason, I read this as “Nunez is an autobot”.
infield hit. christ.
“How d’ya like, Suzyn? That’s the only type of hit they ever get.” *chug*
Next time let Chavez field
Goddang it…
The Yankees are going to be dribbler’d to death
The Angels could hit doubles in the infield dirt
has anyone ever gotten an infield in the park home run?
Angels could this series and be the first to do it
I might have on Real Sports Baseball on an Atari 2600.
John Goodman did
Now Fat Albers loads the bases by hitting Kotchman. Another grandslam please, it’ll make my feel a little better.
I’d like them to get all the scoring out of the system by the time they see us.
Exactly. Also I want them to whittle the Sux’s BP to nothing and they need to use their fielders as pitchers.
I’d actually love the Angels’ schtick against any other team.
Montero baby!
Waa waa waa Montero can’t throw.
you don’t fuck with Montero.
He pool da treegur unteel eet goed cleek.
Jesus says thou shalt not steal
+1
Jesus says no!
YAY JESUS!
Yeah, Montero can’t catch….or do anything back there
Freddy gettin some whiffs, so that’s something.
NICE PLAY BY JESUS!!!!!
But I thought he couldn’t catch!!!!
JESUS!!!!
Site: exploded.
Myth: busted.
Montero threw out his first base runner. Law is crying in a corner somewhere.
Take your scouting report and shove it.
No, he’ll stubbornly stick to what he first said based on seeing Montero once 4 years ago.
That can’t be. The scouting report I developed based on things I read on the internet told me Montero was physically uncapable of doing that.
To be fair, Montero’s arm was always said as being one of his strengths.
So the question remains what is it that he can’t do? What he can’t block balls 4 feet outside of the plate in the dirt thrown by AJ Burnett? Who can.
The more I see of this kid in these first two weeks just proves how many Yankee haters there are out there.
Lavahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnway lite. That’s all he is.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jesus’ CS% go up a bit because pitchers in MLB hold runners on better.
I think it usually goes the other way for most catchers.
Base stealers tend to be better (technique and speed)
GMEN
is Gardy going to get on base ever? Yes!!!!
They should have traded Montero when he had value. It clear the Yankees are not getting anything out of him. I wonder what anti Montero professional hater Dave Cameron has to say right now.
Baserunners in TWO consecutive innings?
Pinch me!
So here’s a question -
Is Montero/Nova/Nunez/Betances now enough to get Felix Hernandez? Being that all those guys look to be a somewhat significant part of the Yankees’ future, is it worth it to trade all of them for one guy, no matter how good?
I look at that package, and there’s a logical replacement within the system for just about every one of them. Would I want to go through the trouble of filling those future holes for one guy, no matter how good he is? I’m not sure. Curious as to how others feel.
Probably not.
Betances is far from a given as a starter.
Getting one known starter (who doesn’t have top of the rotation upside) back for an ace is probably not enough. Sure Betances has a lot of upside but he easily could end up being a power arm out of the pen.
I’m also not sure how much value Montero to the Mariners has with Smoak at 1B… I think Montero would be better but unless the assumption is he can catch for a while, it’s not a great fit for Seattle.
did brett stop for a coffe break or what?
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-iIIIIIIT
Why am I not surprised?
I hate Grandy’s slump most.
Eh, Jose Bautista was always going to win MVP.
We want wins.
He’d better.
Would still give it to Verlander.
It would be hilarious if the Red Sox miss the playoffs and one of their players still won the award. I think they’d finally become the most hated team in baseball.
Damn damn damn. I thought Gardy getting on base was a good sign! I hate the Angels so much.
Are The RedSox Gonna Miss The Playoffs?
No.
35% chance IMO.
if they keep playing like the way they are lately then it is very likely, plus they’re losing so the rays would only be 3.5 behind the sox with 16 games left to play
i miss the real yankees
fucking more cheap hits
John Sterling must need a nurse right now.
Fuck that. Sterling must need a priest.
Jesus effin’ Christ, more fucking infield hits.
When things are bad, they are real bad.
Angels having all the goddam luck
I feel like we’ve angered the BABIP Gods lately.
Yankees should just play infield in versus these bullshit hitters.
And then they’ll hit some weak bloop single right over the infield… I swear.
I FEEL LIKE I’M TAKING CRAZY PILLS
Like getting bitch slapped to death in a fist fight.
I wish the Yankees could do that
Screw that, this is the most unwatchable brand of baseball there is. If I wanted to watch this everyday, I’d coach Little League.
Like I said, I’d love this against any other team.
I’m tempted to make a joke with the terms “Mike Scioscia” and “little boys,” but I’ll allow good taste to prevail.
What the fuck? It’s ridiculous how many infield hits they’re getting.
They got an out on a bunt?? wut?
Fuck small ball.
Whats going on?
These fuckers are pissing me off. They’re like mosquitos on a humid night.
LOL Pedroia throws it away, screws up a DP.
dude hits a 2 run home run his first at bat then Mike Scioscia has him sacrifice the next inning.
The hell?
Angels Baseball (TM)
Angels might as well be a National League team
PEDroia made an error. is that allowed?
If they were in boston, it’d be called a hit.
ALSO FUCK THIS SMALL BALL SHIT!!
He didn’t dive AND do the double barrel roll, so the error is justified.
Oh boy…
well that wasn’t pretty Jesus
Oh no, Jesus fails.
Wow, that ball died when it hit the dirt.
That first splitter is what we call a roller in handball.
cross up
Well, he blocked the second one.
What happened
Looks like a splitter hit the plate and just rolled… promptly through Montero’s pie hole… seriously, that ball did not bounce back up at all. But yeah, montero could of block it if he had his glove a little lower.
Thanks for the break down
Freddy can only do so much, he needs help from his catcher. This should be the last start this kid gets at catcher in this year’s pennant race.
Oh puh-lease.
lol And your so sure that cervelli, martin, posada, or romine would of caught that.
One run isn’t the end of the world, considering it was two on, none out.
True but have you seen the offense lately?
Angels hitting balls weakly and getting hits all series…why can’t we have that kind of luck?
4 words
Angels in the outfield
Damn that Christopher Lloyd.
I’d rather be good than lucky?
Tex is hopeless…
I will never understand the hate. Dude’s an amazing first baseman who never lets his streakiness at the plate affect his defensive play. Maybe he shouldn’t be hitting third, but I’d want him as my first baseman for eternity.
I’m not a Tex hater. He just looks hopelessly lost right now.
Not singling you out at all. I actually don’t remember you being overly negative against him. Read over all these game threads and you’d think the guy was Andy Phillips.
Cam Newton with a 77 yard touchdown pass to S Smith.
YAY ROBBIE!!!!!
Cano says enough of this shit
Cano!!!!
Good thing we have Teixeira to step up when the team is struggling.
lol
Robinson came to play.
Dontcha Know bitches
Cano just scored as many runs as the Angels in 1/50th of the time.
Less effort as well.
Are you sure we are allowed to do that?
Allowed to do what score multiple runs? Probably not but no one said anything so f it.
Chavez is raking it.
Yankees baseball >> Angles baseabll
Home runs and XBH >>>>> whatever the fuck the Angels were doing last inning.
Another sign of the end times. The dead will rise. Yay Zombie Chavez!
Someone’s starting to give this team its morning cup of coffee. The light at the end of tunnel may be starting to appear.
If that was as good as it gets with Montero defensively, would you sign up for that? I actually would.
He can’t be that much worse than Posada right?
I could live with the occasional idiot passed ball if that’s the worst of it. Really. The pluses would massively outweigh that.
C’mon Nunie!
Never get your hopes up over Nunez.
Why not? Is he not a major league player?
He shouldn’t be, not for the Yankees.
Santana having issues
Now would be a good time for you to break out of your slump, Brett….
Cmon grit
at least a hit would be nice Gardner
BABIP is a bitch
BABIP hates Gardy right now.
BABIP fucked, AGAIN.
It was all just a big tease.
we just can’t catch a break, can we?
Keep on getting people on base and, eventually, you’ll drive them home.
Gardner is really getting on my nerves.
You’re blaming him for THAT??
I probalby shouldn’t blame him for that. But its starting to accumulate from a month of alumping at the plate.
guess not
Gardner needed to pull that in the gap.
It was right down the middle.
Gardner is red hot!
As an aside, the refs need to start penalizing the Giants every time Tom Coughlin comes on the field. Players are on the field less than he is!
Arms waving, yelling.
Gardner should have hit it worse so he could have gotten an infield hit
Not watching the game… was Gardner’s out a well hit ball?
Line drive to center.
Hard lineout to center. Apparantly, some people here feel like they could have done better. Kevin Long posts under different names on here.
Thanks guys…
Can’t really fault the guy if he hits it hard
Good to see folks swinging early in the count actually making quality contact (Cano, I assume Chavez, Gardner)… nothing more frustrating than a 1 or 2 pitch AB with a weak popup or groundball rolling over on an outside pitch.
somewhat. It wasn’t really scorched, but it was a liner to center
line drive right to Borjous.
Should have pulled it I think.
Babip is such a fucking bitch.
Montero looks frustrated with his last 2 at bats and his passed ball. let’s see how he responds to that.
i just saw fly out on mlb.com; was it a pop up? if so, he should have to do 10 push ups. inexcusable in a 1-0 count.
nm if it was a line out. just bad luck then.
a line drive. nicely hit. BABIP hates us.
It was a soft line drive right at Peter Bourjos.
Hey look, an infield tapper that DIDN’T become a hit.
Good news: the Yankees had baserunners! There have been walks in this game!
I give up.
This team……
Smh fuck!!!!!!!!!!!
fucking Angels. oh my god I’m ready for this series to be over.
fuck, just when the Yankees started to show some life
And of course when we score runs. Freddy Garcia is starting to shit the bed.
So much for Freddy as the #2 starter in the playoffs…
c’mon. win a friggin game.
We’re still searching for that 4th starter. And with a 3 run deficit I wouldn’t be surprised to see Joe throw up the white flag soon and bring in Proctor. We just aren’t scoring any runs.
This is what happens when you don’t hit. The pitchers try to be perfect, because every mistake could cost them the game. Trying to be too fine, they walk mediocre hitters, and then when they do make the inevitable mistake, it kills them.
The Yankees offense has been disgraceful in the last week, and it hasn’t just been against Weaver and Haren. Santana can’t throw a strike and you are SWINGING on 1-0 with the bases loaded? No sense of the situation at the plate.
Anf if he took the pitch down the middle of the plate you’d be complaining too. Can you change your handle to captain hindsight?
+1. Thank you for sanity.
No, I would not say that. Anyone knows that a hitter with the lack of power that Gardner has NEEDS to take in that situation, especially when the pitcher has no clue where the ball is going.
On top of that, Gardner has been awful at the plate lately.
It’s not hindsight, it’s using your brain. You have to take some pitches when the guy just walked EDUARDO NUNEZ on 5 pitches!
You’re completely ignoring the fact that Gardner hit a bullet right at Borgous.
or realize that your team is struggling and that pitch is most likely the best pitch you are going to get in the AB, so be selectively aggressive and try to make something positive happen rather than sit back and hope the Angels give away the game
You take balls, but you don’t take strikes down the middle of the plate. Santana is not a rookie pitcher who will walk the next 5 batters. He’s gonna challenge you over the plate, Gardner hit the ball hard and it didn’t fall. Thats the end of it. Gardner did the right thing and hit the ball hard. Everytime something doesn’t go perfectly for the Yankees you say you’d do that opposite.
I would rather Gardner take a pitch down the middle than get himself out before the pitcher has proven he can throw consistent strikes, even if the out is hard hit. Given how out of whack his mechanics were, Santana could have easily thrown 3 pitches nowhere near the zone right after that and walked him.
If it were someone like Swisher who can hit the ball out of the park, it’s a different scenario. The outfielder was playing shallow and Gardner still couldn’t hit it over his head.
Santana’s pitches weren’t out of whack. He has 8 strikeouts through 5.0 IP, This is one of the worse arguments I’ve ever heard on here.
Wow, try reading next time.
“Given how out of whack his MECHANICS were”
He was all over the place in that Nunez at bat. On almost every pitch in that at bat, his shoulder was flying open and he was missing up and in.
To start the Gardner at bat, he yanked a fastball way down and in. Mechanics were still out of whack.
Once again, you’re completely ignoring the fact that Gardner hit a bullet right at Borgous.
Bases loaded, ahead in the count, fastball down the middle, hard hit at someone … bad approach!
Which is exactly why this is NOT in hindsight. I don’t care if he hit it hard. It is the WRONG APPROACH for the situation.
Gardner hit it hard, and it still didn’t get over the CF head, because he doesn’t have much power. That is my point exactly. Gardner is still sitting pretty even in the at bat if he takes a pitch right down the middle, given that Santana is having trouble throwing consistent strikes and could very easily miss his spot again.
Given that one run tied the game there, you weren’t in a spot in which you needed the base hit to score. It’s nice that he hit it hard, but it would have been a lot better if he took some pitches and forced Santana to throw strikes.
Gardner hit it hard, and it still didn’t get over the CF head, because he doesn’t have much power.
Does that mean Cano doesn’t have power because he didn’t get his 2nd inning single over Trout’s head?
No, it’s an entirely different situation. Gardner was up there in a spot in which he was getting a predictable pitch to hit, and could sit on it. Cano’s hit was on a 1-1 pitch with the bases empty.
You can’t expect me to take you seriously when you compare apples and oranges as the crux of your argument.
When Swisher did it against Bailey a few weeks back, I was entirely OK with that. Swisher has a ton of power, and in that situation he can really put a charge into one. Gardner didn’t even hit it as hard as you think. That was more like a fliner than a line drive.
You could go at this all night couldn’t you?
Here we go again with the usual attempts at deflection. Conveniently when your arguments are shown to be completely off the mark.
Ok, you’re right. I’m an idiot.
You know more about mechanics than the whole Yankees bench then, because if thats true they would have given Gardner the red light. Ever think about applying for a job with the club?
Way easier to armchair coach.
the situation at the plate was bases loaded with 2 out, with a team that is struggling to score runs, with a pitcher who is likely to be very aggressive against a struggling Gardner to avoid walking in a run, who then throw a very hittable pitch right down the middle
I would say Gardner was very aware of the situation and did exactly what he should have done with a pitch right down the middle
You can be aggressive, but you wait for him to throw a strike. That pitch was a good one to hit, but so what? He hasn’t proven he can CONSISTENTLY throw strikes. A walk scores a run too in that spot, and Gardner has struggled mightily at the plate recently.
It doesn’t matter that the out was hard hit. It’s still the wrong approach for a hitter like Gardner. It’s not hindsight, I’m saying this based on the approach, not the result. A hitter like A-Rod or Cano can swing away in that spot. Gardner needs to be taking, even if it’s down the middle. Make him prove he can throw strikes.
If Gardner’s line drive gets through you’d be praising him for swinging at the right pitch. You’re trolling.
Again, that is not true. I don’t criticize in hindsight. It’s common sense that you need to be taking a pitch in that spot if you are a hitter like Gardner, when the pitcher’s mechanics are out of whack.
If Gardner’s line drive got over his head, I would be happy about the result, but it wouldn’t have been the right approach. Getting lucky is different than taking a good approach. Swinging at a pitch at the shoe tops and hitting it out is not good plate discipline just because he hit it out.
I’m not trolling, I’m stating my opinion. The fact that you have to resort to the insults makes you more of one than me.
I don’t criticize in hindsight.
That’s all you do, which is why you’re only here when they’re losing/something goes wrong.
Just because I don’t post my thoughts on here before every single pitch, it doesn’t mean that I wasn’t thinking it beforehand.
What is entirely hindsight, on the other hand, is what everyone is posting on here. That is doesn’t matter that he took a bad approach, because he hit it hard and had a good outcome.
The approach was STILL BAD. The outcome was not, but saying such after the fact IS hindsight.
the argument is whether it was a bad approach. Just you saying it was a bad approach doesn’t make it so. A struggling offense taking advantage of a situation where they were given a fastball right down the middle of the plate is not a bad approach, its being selectively aggressive to try to take control of the game rather than passively hoping the Angels give away the game.
You are operating under the assumption that because he takes a pitch there, he’s going to be passive the entire rest of the at bat.
That is not what I’m saying.
Just take ONE pitch. Make him throw a strike before you become aggressive. A 1-1 count is still a count in which you are likely to get a good pitch to hit, because the pitcher wants to get ahead.
It’s nice that he got a pitch to hit and hit it hard. The difference when you make the distinction is the hitter at the plate. Cano is a much better hitter than Cano, and has a much higher chance of doing damage on a pitch like that. I wouldn’t be upset if Cano swung away there. Gardner on the other hand? He’s struggling at the plate, and his ceiling in terms of damage is likely just a single.
I was not at all operating under that assumption.
I was operating under the assumption that the cookie down the middle that he swung at would likely be the most hittable pitch of the AB, and considering his struggles, likely his best chance for a good result in that AB.
As far as ceiling for damage, a HR is extremely unlikely, but a 2 run single or 3 run double are entirely within the realm of possibility for Gardner on a cookie down the middle.
It comes down to a choice of:
Swing at the cookie and try to make something positive happen, or
Take a strike and hope he either walks you or you get another pitch you can handle
Given how the offense has struggled lately, and given the quality of pitcher he was facing, I think Gardner taking a shot at the cookie was the right approach
He hasn’t proven he can CONSISTENTLY throw strikes
yeah 3 walks in 5 innings means he’s more likely to walk 3 straight batters to force in a run, than Gardner is likely to get a hit on a get it over fastball right down the middle
Gardner is a legit major league hitter, slumping or not, he’s perfectly capable of hitting a fastball down the middle
If it was a reliever who just came in and couldn’t find the plate, I would agree that he should take no matter what, but Santana is a very good pitcher, and is extremely unlikely to walk 3 straight batters (especially with a struggling hitter he can challenge up)
You might want to re-read before you post.
First of all, the situation was in the 4th inning. He had just walked 2 straight batters, and had lost control of the strike zone. His mechanics were out of whack, and he was struggling to throw strikes. It doesn’t matter what he did in the 5th, or the 1st inning. The pitcher was not pitching the same way.
Gardner is a legit major league hitter, but he IS slumping mightily. You have to consider that as part of the situation. We know what the guy can do, but that isn’t necessarily what he will do. Gardner’s ceiling, even when going well, is not enough to justify turning him loose there. Most likely just a ground ball or line drive single, when a walk still scores a run.
You shouldn’t criticize if you don’t know the facts yourself. You have to consider the entire PRESENT situation, not the track record.
Sanatana
i got the inning wrong, but everything else still stands
I do consider that he is slumping
Even with the slumping, I have a lot more trust in Gardner being able hit a fastball down the middle than trust that Santana will walk him there. The fact that Gardner is strugging makes it LESS LIKELY that Santana will walk him, not more likely
And a few pitches out of the zone don’t mean his mechanics are completeley out of whack
He was trying to go down and away and was missing up and in. That is the entire definition of his mechanics being completely out of whack.
He is a good pitcher, so he’s able to pull it together more quickly than a AAA guy. But there’s no denying that he was struggling with his location there. No need to be aggressive so early in the count, especially since you are ahead.
Again, I like that move if it’s a really good hitter like Cano at the plate, but not with one like Gardner. It’s nice that he hit it hard, but he still bailed the pitcher out. Just like Trumbo before. When the pitcher is struggling to throw strikes, he will gladly take you swinging at a pitch like that because the odds are still in his favor once it’s in play.
Well at least Boston lost (how many times have we said this damn phrase in the last week)
Jamie Shields 8.1 IP 1 run.
Jeter with a lazy throw.
This team needs a day off bad.
OMG?!! Possibly cured?
GRANDY MAN CAN!!!!
finally!
More signs of life.
SEE YA!
slump busted!
wooo we’re waking
Curtis!!!!
Granderson slumped the shit out of that ball!
The Grandyman Returns!!!
Like I said, put them on base and, eventually, you bring them home. Freddy can rest a bit easier that this team could actually bail him out today.
Grandy!!!!!
omg slump over?? team showing some life?? can this be??
Goodbye 0 for 14!
C’mon Tex, let’s go back to back
nevermind.
You knew they were scoring after the blue balls we suffered in the top of the inning.
Tex sucks.
Sox are officially swept.
4 runs in one game…how
Babip, I hate you.
And the one day we score, our starter gets shelled…..uggh.
Hat tricks for both Tex and Jesus.
ok Freddy, you just need to hold on now. The team’s waking up.
Slider away was killing Montero is spring training. Still is.
damn 3 strikeouts for Montero. This Santana guy is not messin around with him
Yeah Freeddy is not the number two stater
Montero’s getting exposed on the curveball. Now let’s start making adjustments!!!!
they were sliders
Thanks for the clarification. I’m switching back and forth between this and the giants game and didn’t get to really see the pitch.
A zero would be nice, Freddy.
Santana has Montero’s number 3 K’s damn
I believe this is going to be a short post season. This team at present can’t beat Detroit, let alone Texas. Epic collapse coming
Are you describing the Red Sox? You have to be.
I don’t “believe” you.
When this guy calls you overly negative, you’re overly negative.
Which team? The Yankees are 7-2 versus Texas this year.
This team has beaten both Texas and Detroit; also who outside of Wilson, and Verlander actually pose a serious threat to them?
Yankees are 5-2 against Detroit in Verlander’s last 7 starts agains them…. yet people treat a Verlander start as a given win when forecasting how that series might go
Based on…?
ACME brand crystal ball
You’re seriously taking this bait?
you’re completely right. you should just give up and no longer watch Yankee games.
Or post in threads at RAB, too. Works for me.
I just want to kick Aybar in the jewels right now…
I would really really really like to get 2 outs without giving up a run here…
Fuck this small ball crap. Why don’t they just fucking get a transfer to the National League
Where the fuck was that 1-1 pitch?
That looked like a strike
don’t walk him.
No IBB please.
Oops
I agree with this booing.
Freddy better be taken out after this IBB.
Are you shittin me Girardi?
This looks like a very deep hole being dug right now.
Freddy gets 35% GB’s and your trying to set up a fricken dbl play….FUCK
Man this Angels broadcast is horrible.
Dude won’t shut up. Trying to give strategies to players like they can hear him.
lol Montero
I blame Gardner’s lack of plate discipline.
Everyone knows this is all Tex’s fault. Always.
can’t believe Freddy is still in this game
Holy shit we got lucky there.
freaking christ– tex and nunie almost gave me a heart attack. COMMUNICATE DAMMIT!
I don’t want Nunez on this team next year. Please trade him.
Pop up! C’mon Sweaty, get out of the inning unscathed.
I was sweating bullets there for a moment…
please just get this last out Freddie. Please.
that was magical
BOOM!!!! Threat over, for now.
None of that ever happened.
Freddy Robertson Garcia
Fist bump to Garcia. That’s a grown ass man inning.
Chea!!!
Very bad start by Garcia. But it could have been a lot worse. Now we need to score some more of those runs.
that was close now time to score some runs
Fire up some arepas for Freddy.
Nunez is fucking worthless.
Never mind, the umpire is fucking worthless.
The magic number is 16 but could have been no more than 12 or 13.
The Sux next 3 starters are Wakefield, Lackey, and Miller.
Looks like a nice three game winning streak coming up for the Sox.
Way to go Nunez….
/getting tired of his shit
Nunez’d
Everything Nunez does…irritates me.
and Nunez with the clutch… doubleplay
Unbelievable how many DPs we’ve hit into this series, given how few baserunners we’ve had.
So, seeing as how Mike and just about every substantial regular on here believes that the playoffs are a lock… say we go 6-12 the rest of the way, what are our chances? I imagine that Tampa is the greatest threat to stir up some suspense, but the Angels continue to close in on the Rangers… Obviously I’m a little worried after the past 4 games, but should I be worried about this team ACTUALLY making it into the playoffs if they continue to sputter?
If the Yankees go 6-12 the rest of the way, Tampa needs to go 12-5 just to tie.
Ugh, I want a 8 game winning streak NOW!
You realise 12-5 isn’t easy right?
I’m aware, doesn’t prevent me from wanting a torrid winning streak any less.
The Red Sox need to be worried about TB. Not us.
Rays aren’t going to remain that hot. Yanks (and Sox) aren’t going to remain that cold. This isn’t Queens.
The Sox could very well remain this cold. Beckett will miss a few starts, and they have Lackey, Wakefield, Miller, etc. Their only “sure thing” is Lester who got rocked today.
It’s strange that my own response to Nunez has been the mirror image of everyone else’s on here. Couldn’t stand him when everyone was singing his praises and, now, I actually feel he’s improved.
Haha, I’ve liked him from the get go. He usually makes sweet contact, but, lately, he hasn’t exactly been my bowl of cherries. And, as if I even need to repeat my aggravation over the subject, Mark Teixera needs to be benched and given a lesson to. Can’t stand watching him at the plate anymore.
All RIGHT, Cory!
haha did anyone else see that shirt that said “Bahstan Sahcks Cack”
time for #40 grandy
Montero looks bad behind the plate. The reports of him needing work back there are correct. The kid can hit.
Jetes!
Yeah you better make the call to the bullpen Sciosa, you fat fuck.
Get that run in, period. GIDP if you have too.
Squeeze!!!
Runners at 1st and 3rd, no outs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gardy got a hit!
Grandy has a HR this game!
Things might be looking up!
The best part of this pitching change is that there is a decent chance Downs stays in against Tex (as Cano is on deck) which means Tex will be hitting righty and at least have a shot.
The sleeping giant is starting to wake up.
That was a terrible strike out, Grandy.
That was pathetic.
Bummer
He is just god awful at situational hitting. Now time for Teix’s pop fly.
Most predictable K ever
5 freaking curveballs in a row.
Seriously Grandy? Anything but a strikeout would have been acceptable there. And he swung at balls 3 and 4 too.
Here comes King Popup.
The same pitch, 5 times in a row. Where is the adjustment?
Texiera’s chance to break out of his slump. Please get the run in from 3rd!
how bout that hit Tex?
YES. YES. YES.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Tex!
I mean Peter!
HOLY FUCK THAT WAS AWESOME!
HAW HAW!
LOL ANGELS!
lolololololololololololololololol
lolololololololololololololololololololololololololol
Luis Castillo!!
Time to cue the classic Yankee choke with RISP and 0 outs with the heart of the order coming up?
Haha, yikes, that comment was a tad bit delayed.
HE DROPPED THE BALL! HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!!!
Yeah took him much longer to say it this time
UZR That Scioscia!!!!!!!!!
The invisible hand of God is a Yankee fan. I always knew.
Baseball Gods back on our side
That’ll put a dent in Bourjos’ UZR.
I’m speechless. What a horrible play all around there.
lmfao … I though this CF was supposed to be good
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAaAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Thank you baseball gods…
LOL do you guys notice how long it took Michael Kay to say “No he dropped the ball”? That was like 5 seconds.
He’s 600 feet away from the play, not the easiest to see.
They still have the monitors though which show what we see on TV
Kay was probably on his iPad 2 or eating!
It seemed like five seconds, which is a lot. I thought maybe I was seeing an optical illusion, and maybe it was a bird or a piece of paper since Kay wasn’t saying anything.
LOL, what the hell
Tex!!!!!
Peter Bourjos, our most valuable player this game.
That’s got to be worth a minus ten on the UZR scale.
Maybe this gives the team the lift it needed. Keep piling on the insurance runs.
They’re afraid of Jesus.
Respecting Jesus. Chavy, make them pay.
Gotta love them showing Montero respect.
I guess the angels aren’t in the outfield huh
Matt is over on an Angels blog complaining.
Yes, because anyone whose opinion you disagree with is automatically a troll. Even though you tried to compare Cano’s 1-1 bases empty single to Gardner’s bases loaded 1-0 count at bat.
but saying Gardner can’t hit for any power because in one AB he didn’t it the ball over the CF’s head is so much more rational
Not even close. You do realize that Gardner has 15 career HR’s in 1312 career ABs? There is no way I’m basing it on one at bat, but nice try.
Make that 1314 now.
How are you still talking about this? Gardner his a sharp linedrive with the bases loaded, find something else to complain about.
I’m not harping on the issue. I’m responding to another unprovoked attack from another poster who sure can dish it out, but can’t take the heat when he makes a fool of himself.
It’s actually the other poster who tried to attack my argument from the previous thread, but he failed pretty miserably at doing such.
yes, he doesn’t have much power, but you did use the results of that one AB to justify your argument. And HR wasn’t the only possible positive outcome in that situation, asking for a HR is just getting greedy. A two run single or 3 run double in the gap would have sufficed just fine.
That is not what I said. Go back and read my posts.
I said that he was not LIKELY to drive the ball because he doesn’t have much power. That is not based on one at bat, not even close. The outcome only served to further confirm my point, which was very obvious in the first place because Gardner has no power.
I have no idea why you continue to argue this, because you are very clearly wrong.
and you are very clearly completely missing the point again.
the point is the lack of power doesn’t have any relevance because Gardner is more than capable of hitting a 2 run single or 3 run double.
Which I already acknowledged, and addressed multiple times as not pertinent to the argument. Stop grasping at straws to continue an argument that you have already lost.
If you are ultra aggressive in a 1-0 count in that spot, it’s to try to drive a ball. Otherwise, you still have a good count coming up in which you are likely to get a pitch that you can hit for a single. 1-1 in that spot is still a hitter’s count, because the pitcher is desperate to get ahead in the count and not put himself in peril.
I don’t care if Gardner hit it hard still. That doesn’t matter. This isn’t a hindsight analysis, I don’t care one bit if he hit it hard or softly.
The situation called for him to take at least one pitch there. Gardner is not likely to drive it over somebody’s head, and that is the opportunity which justified being aggressive. If the likely alternative is just a ground ball or softer single, then a walk is not as huge a downgrade, so be patient.
Good lord, you need to let that go.
Good lord, you need to get over it. You called me out for no reason, after I shut you down. What do you expect the response to be?
If you can’t take the response, then keep your mouth shut and don’t act like an idiot.
You’re harping on a moot point in a game that the Yankees are 3 outs away from winning. Even if I was wrong, it’s not going to impact the game at this point. If the Yankees lose this game, it’ll most likely be Mariano’s fault.
You attacked me for no reason. Stop trying to spin any of this blame onto me. You are so full of yourself.
Gardner is struggling now, as you made a large part of your argument. Swinging at a cookie down the middle isn’t being ultra-aggressive, it’s being selectively aggressive. Hitting the ball over somebody’s head is not the only opportunity that justifies being selectively aggressive, even a single is a great outcome in that situation, and given Gardner’s struggles, swinging at a cookie is his best chance at that. And I don’t care if Gardner hit the ball hard or not. That was never part of my argument. Stop trying to change my argument to try to make your point. I see your point, but I also think it is entirely reasonable for Gardner to try to take advantage of getting the break of being served a cookie. I’m not at all saying that taking the pitch would be wrong, I’m saying that swinging at the pitch was perfectly reasonable as well.
And I’m not denying that he swung at a good pitch to hit. The marginal reward for doing that though, in that situation, was not high enough to merit that kind of approach.
What are the outcomes? If Gardner takes it, then these are what could happen:
1) Santana finds it and makes a few perfect pitches to retire him. Doesn’t seem likely given how he’s pitching at that point.
2) Santana falls behind even more, and has to come in with the same exact cookie, or fall behind 3-1. Reasonably likely given his lack of control at that point in the outing.
3) Santana throws Gardner the same cookie on 1-1 trying to get ahead in the count. Not entirely likely because he doesn’t want to just lay it in there on 1-1, but possible because he isn’t hitting his spots.
2 of those 3 outcomes are similar to swinging on 1-0, and probably more likely to occur than the first.
The only way that swinging on 1-0 is a marginal upgrade over those last 2 outcomes is if Gardner does something which was less likely then (i.e., sitting on a pitch and drilling it over somebody’s head). Given Gardner’s lack of power, that seems pretty unlikely.
There is always a risk involved, but a walk is actually a very good outcome there. With 2nd and 3rd, it’s a different situation because you need a hit to score. There, a walk is not a huge downgrade from a single.
walk is a good outcome, but I think a hit on a cookie was as likely as a walk, and would result in more than one run, and part of my point was that it doesn’t take perfect pitches to retire Gardner right now.
I think the power argument would be stronger if there weren’t 2 RISP.
and what am I clearly wrong about?
Is Gardner, even while slumping, capable of hitting a 1-0 cookie for a 2 run single or 3 run double? YES
Is it likely that the 1-0 cookie was going to be the best pitch to hit in the AB? YES
Does it make at least some sense to have a hitter perfectly capable of knocking in at least 2 runs swing at a cookie down the middle? YES
“yes, he doesn’t have much power, but you did use the results of that one AB to justify your argument”
I DEFINITELY did not use the results of 1 AB to form that opinion. Stop attacking me for things I never said, and which I very obviously did not think.
“Gardner hit it hard, and it still didn’t get over the CF head, because he doesn’t have much power. That is my point exactly.”
-seems like what you said. Saying he didn’t hit the ball over the CF’s head because he doesn’t have much power. Yes, he doesn’t have much power. Yes, he didn’t hit the ball over the CF head. Correlation does not = causation. Perhaps he didn’t hit it over the CF head because he didn’t make great contact. Perhaps he is still very capable of hitting the ball over the CF head.
That is not the point that I was making. I was simply pointing out that my logic actually came to bear.
If Gardner swung at that same pitch and hit a ground ball to 2nd base, I would have said the EXACT same thing. The rationale behind not swinging on 1-0 does not relate to the act of actually doing it.
He actually made great contact there, so you may want to be careful about what you say. G
You also have to realize that the only reason I even had to say something like that was because of how ridiculous your responses were. I was saying that to show you an example of what I was getting at, and you still missed the point.
I think you are confused as to who you were responding to. There is nothing ridiculous about saying Gardner, even slumping, is capable of hitting a cookie. Or that said cookie would likely be his best pitch to hit in the AB, or that it was unlikely that Santana would walk 3 straight batters. As for the quality of the contact, I believe it was you that characterized it as more of a Fliner than liner.
Here is the original post:
“Anyone knows that a hitter with the lack of power that Gardner has NEEDS to take in that situation”
That was the mindsight that I took into that at bat, and the mindsight that I took out of that at bat. Of course, you will continue to claim that I must have been using hindsight because… well that would support your argument. Clearly you know exactly what I was thinking at that moment in time, more than I do even.
again you are confused. I never mentioned hindsight at all.
And if I used it to justify my argument, it was only to point out that my logic was not off the mark there, because that was the exact outcome.
Gardner hit it at the perfect angle to drive it over his head, but simply couldn’t hit it hard enough to do so, even though he was right on the pitch and waiting for it.
The logic is perfectly valid, and the outcome demonstrated exactly why I said such a thing.
Montero aint that good yet.
Jesus Walks!
oh Soriano doesn’t make me feel good. Chavy I need a homerun here.
Please get the run in. I don’t trust Soriano with a one-run lead.
Same.
But I want to be wrong.
Wade threw only 8 pitches and has been way way bettter than Sori this year. But the binder says 7th Inning Guy…
We couldn’t possibly blow this piece of luck, could we?
Downs throws all breaking stuff away to lefties. Just sit fb inside.
Big mistake by Sciosca not turning Tex around to the left side…
Cano isn’t that susceptible to lefties and Tex’s dropoff is massive.
we should keep wade in. i would feel better with wade.
Ditto. What’s wrong with Soriano? Is it a pressure thing? Physical? Was he never actually THAT good? Why doth he sucketh?
don’t fuck up MFIKY.
Romine!
Austin Romine in NOW? holy shit.
It is probably because he is from LA.
Austin Romine? Talk about being shorthanded.
Hah. I wonder what he was doing yesterday. Today he is catching for the Yankees.
Chavez was playing 10 feet from Aybar. Thats how you have to field these fools.
Hey it’s Romine! What’s next? Betances in the 8th?
Is Romine that much better defensively than Montero? Montero didn’t look that bad, and i’ll give him a pass for that ball through his legs since i think a majority of mlb catchers dont get that ball
What was Chavez doing? Dive man
Would you look at that, a seeing eye single. There haven’t been many of those lately….
Wow Romine looks great behind the plate. So Romine has the glove and Montero has the bat.
By most accounts Romine is solidly average with the glove.
…and his bat has more prommise than is currently fitting Kay’s narrative.
Because I said his bat sucks?
If only the Yankees could morph the two into a Jesustin Romtero hybrid.
Romine hasnt had to catch any balls in the dirt yet, why do you automatically say that he looks great behind the plate; just because thats the general consensus?
Trenton is not in the playoffs, just to clear up the broadcasting failure.
Looks like they don’t have faith in Jesus catching…
did Romine catch Soriano during Rehab? It might just be that?
Who would have guessed that in a span of 20 hours, Russell Martin, Jorge Posada, Jesus Montero and Austin Romine would all have caught in a game for the Yankees?
Soriano’d
fucking soriano
Joe: “really? the multi-million dollar 7th inning guy can’t get this done”
I don’t trust Soriano at all.
DRob, plz.
Can Cory Wade be out 7th inning guy?
And this is why Robbie has to push Teix home with only 1 out. Soriano is a clown, always has been.
Cant blame Soriano. A seeing eye single and a typical Abreu at bat
Abreu continues to be a pain in the ass for the yankees
what i wouldn’t give for a double play right now.
I trust Ayala more than I trust Soriano.
I trust Andrew Brackman as much as Soriano.
Thats interference.
WHAT? WHAT?
i don’t even…..
What was he doing? Throw the ball and get Abreu!
Did no one see the damn replay.. torii walked right into the throw. That ball would of clanked off torii’s head
That is such bullshit.
wtf he stopped the throw cause torii fat head was in the way!!!
oh rookies.
Romine stopped his throw because Abreu walked into it. How is Abreu not at first?
Errr Hunter.
Deuces.
what happened?
Booya! Fuck you Angels!!!
Get pumped Soriano!
That was absolutely obstruction. Hunter walked right in front of him.
I feel this has been a horrible umping game. The homerun that bounced off the wall wasn’t even reviewed too.
I still don’t trust Soriano
Soriano has to be the LEAST economical reliever in baseball. Can the man count to three without stuttering?
Soriano is pumped up cause he almost gave away the game. greatt
Nunez keep the tag on
Not interference, the throw has to be made with Hunter in the way, it probably would have been called if Romine had thrown it but he waited until Hunter passed him.
Woops *Obstruction, interference is on Offense.
Not sure if your an expert in the rules, but… you expect the guy to throw the ball into someones head??? Sorry, if torii hunter stands in front of him and jumps up and down, does Romine still need to attempt the throw?
Obviously Interference to anyone with common sense, but then again, none of these games the yankees have been playing make any sense lately
Big pitching performance my ass. Soriano was bad, Hunter was worse.
I disagree. Hunter thought he checked his swing and was going to first. Abreu stopped in the middle of first and secod and that’s why Romine stopped.
When Romine goes to throw the ball, Hunter’s head is directly in his way. The umpire doesn’t call obstruction or if he walked or struckout, Abreu stopped. It was because the umpire is slow to call the strikeouts and walks and failed to realize the obstruction that Romine assumed it was a walk.
That may be correct. But Hunter’s head was not in the way. He clearly ducked his head going past Romine.
Clearly… since you had the vantage point of Romine and could see what he was seeing.. clearly…
I saw it when it happened. Hunter assumed that he walked and ducked his head while walking past Romine. If he atleast attempts to not obstruct, I dont think you can call obstruction.
Ok, I’m just frustrated and venting… but with that fake duck, if Romine threw the ball, it would of went into the outfield or clanked Hunter in the back of the head.
I still think Romine stopped his throw because Hunter was in the way… but regardless, Hunter should not have walked in front of the catcher. If it was a walk, then he’s ok, but since it was a strike out, blocking the catcher is obstruction.
And that goes back to mbonzo’s point that since the ump was slow in calling whether it was a walk or a strikeout, Hunter didnt know either and assumed it was a walk.
The ump can’t call the obstruction without a throw anyway.
I would love some insurance runs.
Soriano is the weakest link in the CoSoRoMo chain.
Wouldn’t it be nice to relax with a nice, hot mug o’ Jo in the middle of that monster?
Sure would. I miss Joba.
CoSoJoRoMo has a nice ring to it.
Don’t forget Boone Logan!
CoLoSoJoRoMo.
Noesi?
CoLoSoJoRoMoNo
/Noesidesignated11thinning guy
and still Soriano the weakest link
Kontos!
KoNoCoLoSoJoRoMo
Don’t forget Scott Proctor!
CoLoSoJoRoMoNoPro
I prefer Bo. But, can he pitch the 10th instead? CoSoJoRoMoBo
Imagine if Feliciano was here all year.
JoSoDroRoMo!!
Silly Nunez, only the Angels can turn weak grounders into base hits.
STOP HITTING SHARP LINE DRIVES GARDNER!
I am so tired of seeing Eduardo fucking Nunez in the lineup every fucking day.
Maybe you’ll get lucky and see Pena.
I can only dream about having A-rod, jeter, cano, and tex in the infield all at the same time.
Fuck! This offense is pitiful! Where did it go? Aren’t we facing Felix tomorrow? How about 10 runs sometime in the near future, fellas? Make me a believer again!
Player of the game Peter Borjous.
Never saw that play before with Romine catching but taking Montero out for Austin “Gold Glove” Romine who has never played a game in the majors is sick.
sick.
It’s been a sick series.
It’s been one of the worst series I’ve ever witnessed as I was there to witness the first two games. Montero was easily the highlight of the series (if not the season) for me.
Maybe sickening is a better word.
What happened?
To be fair, it is Montero’s first game (defensively) also.
Guessing Proctor is up so just in case lead is lost?
Its probably just because of what Leiter said, hasn’t pitched in a while so they’re giving his arm a little work. Mariano will warm up in the top of the 9th.
Didn’t he just pitch 1.1 inning 2 or 3 days ago?
I think he’s having flashbacks to his Torre days and assumes he should just be up and ready every day every inning!
When is the last time Romine played in a game?
I do love having Tex at first.
Yikes… now we have to deal with Mo versus Russel Branyan. Not any easy weekend for the Yankees
Don’t worry, Branyan only hits the Yankees in Yankee Stadium.
Good call sir
You people aren’t being fiercely conscious.
HOUDINI
So efficient.
Is there a reason why Andruw Jones is still in RF?
Are Dickerson and Golson injured? (I’m starting to wonder after the Nunez start in RF yesterday)
God I sure hope Mariano doesn’t get save 602 in Toronto.
This is fantastic watching Romine work-what a great target he gives the pitcher.
Yeah he seems to be great at framing pitches too.
It’s amazing how good Robertson is.
Mo’s eventual replacement.
Has anyone noticed that MLB.tv has an option for PitchFX now?
Teixera laying off the changeup? Mark, you tease!
Hitting from the right side.
He’s a completely different hitter from the right side.
Reading the Nunez hate, I can’t wait for Montero’s first bad week.
Strike 1 was ball 3
Sorry I’m a newbie, what is that website to see the ump’s Strike Zone? I need to see this one for today, because some of the calls have made me scratch my head…
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....evDate=911
http://brooksbaseball.net/
Click on the PitchFX tab and go through the pulldown menus.
brooksbaseball.net has the pitch f/x data which is pretty relilable (though it sometimes gets the pitch type wrong)
Jesus f’ing Montero!!! Can this team consistently score after the 4th/5th inning? These past few games have been the longest of the season for me.
At this point the goal is to win, no matter how it unfolds.
Is that now 9 infield singles this series?
aaargh… reply fail!
Kay says it’s 6:47pm in NY so it’s night-time. Really? I still see daylight out my window. I think most of us call that early evening.
Does Kay think it’s December instead of September?
It’s actually starting to get dark out, which makes me sad. A few weeks ago, the sun was still out at 7:30.
Get ready to “fall back”
Anyone else have an eerie feeling that Rivera will blow this?
No!
Have faith, he’ll be fine
I really hope that that feeling is just gas.
lol
All right no screwing around, Mo. Just give us a nice 1-2-3 inning.
There’s 1.
Technically that was a 1-2-3 inning.
Mariano throws a spitball!!!!1111
fucking serious? fuck Aybar.
Of course Aybar gets another fucking infield hit….
Bullshit hit #54890543
Holy shit this angels team is annoying as hell
Aybar’s talents are made for that Angel’s team
uh oh
Oh look!
Another infield hit!
To quote Vince Lombardi
“What the hell is going on out here?!?!”
Fucking Aybar, wtf is he eating? Seared unicorn filet with leprechaun sauce with a side of 4 leaf salad?
With a side order of rabbit’s feet served on a plate encrusted with golden horseshoes….
Topped off with a glass of fresh pixie’s urine.
HUGE WIN!!
OH THANK GOD!!!
a win!
3.5 up
Perfect record in the Romine Era!!
CHEA!
BOOM! See ya fucking half swing pussy hit slapping bunting pieces of shits!
So this is what winning feels like!
YES, about time!!
The Yanks had to win the game in this fashion, considering all the BS of the past week or so.
So was that 9 infield singles in this series?
That’s how you do it boys
Dare I say it was a must win? or will I be shunned for saying that.
ok I was just about to mention the rabbit’s foot and horseshoe thing…
opps reply fail
aww Austin hugging his brother
Did anyone notice the players walking in the background when Kimberly Jones is talking with Jeter? Looked like they had a seseme street and tinkerbell backpack. That the kind of stuff they do to the rookies?
heh, you noticed, too, I see… Yeah, I’ve heard guys on different teams talk about it. Just some friendly rookie hazing.
Hah! All the newbies came in from the pen during Kim’s interview, sporting their pink vinyl girlie backpacks. Awesome.
Peter Bourjos is the Yankee Player of the game.
On to face king Felix. GREATTT!
Magic #11. No More Boggs till next season!