Rays blow out Yanks in game no one cares about

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The last time the Yankees were losing by ten or more runs after just four innings of play (like they were in this game) was October 2nd of 2009, a game they lost to the Rays after clinching the AL East. Ah history, love how it goes and repeats itself like that.

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BartoLOLo CoLOLon

Wow, what a terrible start by Bartolo Colon. Granted, a Derek Jeter throwing error in the second didn’t help matters, but wow. The big guy allowed seven runs (five earned) on seven hits and a walk in just three innings, and pretty much everything was hard hit. Bart’s now allowed 30 runs in 39.1 IP over his last seven starts, which isn’t exactly what you want to see so soon before the postseason. It is what it is though. Hopefully Freddy Garcia settles down with the homeritis and stabilizes the third spot in the rotation.

Brackman, Betances & Montero

(AP Photo/Frank Franklin II)

You can see why the Yankees gave Andrew Brackman all that money, that’s definitely a first round arm. It’s not first round command of course, but Brackman was sitting 90-93 with the cutter and showed both a curve and a slider. I’ve never heard about the cutter before, did he pick that up sitting in the bullpen, or is it just a lack of information? Either way, he allowed a single and a walk in 1.1 IP of work.

Dellin Betances was an eighth round pick, but he showed off a first round arm by firing some mid-90’s fastballs with a sharp curve. His command needs work as well, but that’s no surprise. Betances walked four and hit a batter in just 0.2 IP, and everything was up. Classic symptom of overthrowing. Two-thirds of the Killer B’s debuted, making this one of the most exciting blowout losses I can remember.

While that was happening, Jesus Montero was busy going 3-for-3 with two walks. One of the hits was a double, and he laid off some tough offspeed pitches for balls as well. So a really good day for one prospect, an okay day for another prospect, and a really bad day for another prospect. Nice little  microcosm of the Prospect Rule of Three.

Definitely not looking forward to seeing this kid for the next six years. (AP Photo/Frank Franklin II)

Leftovers

The Triple-A Scranton Yankees managed to score eight runs … well, the Scranton Yanks and Andruw Jones manged to score eight runs. Jones clubbed a two-run homer and also singled in a run, and both Eduardo Nunez and Ramiro Pena had multiple hits. Chris Dickerson, Austin Romine, Nick Swisher, Jorge Posada, and Brandon Laird had one hit each, and Montero obviously contributed to the offense.

Matt Moore was stellar, striking out 11 batters in just five innings in his first career start. It’ll be tough to separate what was really him and what was a side effect of the Yankees celebration on Wednesday night, but that’s a problem for the Rays bloggers. The kid’s not the best pitching prospect in the game by accident though, he sure was fun to watch. The pitching rich get richer.

Scott Proctor was worse than Colon, believe it or not. He allowed a pair of two-run homers and five runs total in just an inning of  work. Aaron Laffey allowed a run and recorded four outs before giving way to Brackman. George Kontos cleaned things up with 1.1 scoreless innings at the end of the night.

Both the Rangers and Tigers lost on Thursday, so the magic number to eliminate each from the homefield advantage race dropped to one and two, respectively. That should be taken care of by the end of the weekend, if not sooner.

Box Score, WPA Graph & Standings

MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs some other stats, and ESPN the updated standings.

Up Next

It’s time to welcome the Red Sox to town … for a meaningless series. Meaningless for the Yankees, that is. Those guys have quite a bit on the line. Garcia gets the ball against Jon Lester on Friday night.

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  • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

    I know a jerk who was at the game tonight, glad it sucked…

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      I know a friend who was at this game. She was right behind the Yankee dugout and got to have a pic with Ivan Nova. But she also saw last night’s game.

      • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

        yeah, i’m sure there were at least 29,000 or so non-jerks at the game…i retract my earlier comment…but the dude is still a jerk so I hope a really tall guy in cowboy hat who ate beans for lunch sat in front of him

  • Jorge

    In some ways, the perfect “game after the division-clincher” game. A blowout, at first, that didn’t sting as much, an opportunity to see the kids play and, in the end, the team made enough of a run than pride was maintained. If it wasn’t for what probably should be real concern over Bartolo’s not looking sharp, which is happening more often than not, this was an interesting diversion.

    Betances will get better. Brackman will, hopefully, miss more bats with all that movement.

  • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

    I’m really, really, really hoping that Phil Hughes can get healthy quickly and start in Tampa and pitch well so he can be in the #3 starter mix.

    And btw, looks like my Bartolo to the bullpen prediction is getting closer and closer to coming true. But feel free to criticize my prediction with the Red Sox winning 6/7 against Baltimore…

  • art vandelay

    did brackmonster throw any 4 seamers ? didn’t see much of that mid 90’s velocity …. curious about this cutter. looked nasty. maybe he learned it from mo ?

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      His cutter was filthy. 93 mph and a ton of movement. Flarhety called it slider movement.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Price, Shields, Hellboy, and Moore is going to be a bitch and a half. Funny thing is, Price is the only first round prospect of the four.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      Oh crap, I forgot about Hellickson when I was thinking about their rotation next season. My God, Price, Shields, Hellickson, Moore, Niemann. Hot damn.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        That rotation is scary. When it comes to pitching Tampa has a good grasp on it.

  • Cris Pengiuci

    Wasn’t able to watch the game tomight. How did Montero look beind the plate?

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      Totally forgot he was behind the plate….With that in mind he didn’t do too bad, hahaha

      • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

        there’s an old baseball saying..if you don’t notice catchers or umpires, they’re doing a good job

      • Cris Pengiuci

        Nice! If you totally forgot he was there, he couldn’t have been too bad. Didn’t draw any attention to himself. Maybe more involvement in the game allowed him to perform better at the plate. He had a very good night on the offensive side of the plate.

  • JohnnyBGoode

    The headline should be:
    Rays gain 1/2 game on Sox.

    • mbonzo

      It’ll be Yankees cowardly hand a free win Rays, Red Sox lead falls to 2

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    A small part of me would like to see the Red Sox sweep this weekend so they could be 14-4 against us and STILL lose the division. But obviously, the best thing would be to sweep Boston, while the Rays sweep Toronto.

  • Jesus Freak

    At least this makes Boston sweat.

  • Rey22

    Fun game since 2 B’s made their debut. Even if Betances was a complete mess. Brackman didn’t look too bad.

  • Rich in NJ

    If Garcia is ineffective, does the unthinkable happen, i.e., Burnett gets a playoff start (with a leash microscopic in length)?

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      I think they give Hughes a playoff start over AJ if he’s healthy. Hell, if Hughes can’t go I’d rather start Noesi for 4 and piece the rest of the game together. There is just no way they can let AJ Burnett start in the playoffs unless they desperately, and I mean DESPERATELY have to.

      • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

        I’d rather have Brackman start a playoff game than Burnett!

        /joking…..sorta

  • Karl Krawfid

    Baseball tonight.

    Rays “STUN” the Yankees.

    lol

    • JohnC

      Yeah I saw that too. Hilarious. Talk about being stunned, how bout the Mets 9th inning comeback to beat the Cardinals and hand then a crushing loss

  • Natron

    Pardon me for being out of the loop, but are the Yankees firmly committed to a 3-man rotation? I thought CC could go on 3 days rest, but won’t they need a 4th starter? I assume that it’s 1. CC 2. Nova 3. Garcia? and 4. Colon or Hughes. Is this correct? IF SO, PLEASE TELL ME WHY I SHOULDN’T PANIC!!! The Yanks have the best AL record and only ONE playoff quality starter!!! Not to mention Verlander could torch CC in their matchups. Looks like a DS loss to me.

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      The only other AL playoff rotation that is even close to being better than the Yankees is Detroit’s.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Best team in the AL. Clearly, then, your panic is warranted. Or not.

      • Natron

        I know they have the best record in the AL. They also get to play teams like the Royals and Orioles in the regular season. Look at their record against the Sox. The 2001 Mariners had a historic regular season. you get my point.

        Not hard to imagine them owning CC AGAIN in the playoffs. Give game 2 to Lester and then YOUR HOPES ARE PINNED ON FREDDY AND COLON. I’m not usually an alarmist, but I think Yanks fans are too relaxed with all this cushion right now. It’s not just the pitching either. A-Rod is a shell of his former self, and Teix is a June-July hitter exclusively. And they are the 3-4 HITTERS FOR POLITICAL REASONS. This is not how you win the World Series.

        • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

          To be honest, I’m a tad bit worried about the rotation. I’m fine with CC and Nova, but who the hell knows who’s pitching game three. It better not be Colon, but I was told that the Yankees would be “batshit insane” if he didn’t start in the playoffs, so we’ll see.

      • Natron

        I know they have the best record in the AL. They also get to play teams like the Royals and Orioles in the regular season. Look at their record against the Sox. The 2001 Mariners had a historic regular season. You get my point.

        Not hard to imagine the Sox owning CC AGAIN in the playoffs. Give game 2 to Lester and then YOUR HOPES ARE PINNED ON FREDDY AND COLON. I’m not usually an alarmist, but I think Yanks fans are too relaxed with all this cushion right now. It’s not just the pitching either. A-Rod is a shell of his former self, and Teix is a June-July hitter exclusively. They are the 3 & 4 HITTERS FOR POLITICAL REASONS. This is not how you win the World Series.

        • Rick in Boston

          If you’re worried about a Yankees/Boston ALCS, then you do have to take into consideration that the Sox will throw Bedard and…Beckett on short rest(?) in the Garcia/Bartolo starts.

  • teddy

    guy an idiot

  • duzzi23

    I think you are short selling the Rangers rotation. Wilson has pitched like an ace Ogando was an allstar who hit a rough patch but with extra rest threw a shutout last start Colby Lewis beat us twice in the ALCS last year Harrison and Holland had good years i would take them over the Yankees rotation. However I think we are a better team overall.

    • Pat D

      CJ Wilson has never beaten the Yankees, though his numbers against them are not too bad. They also include mostly relief appearances.

      The Yankees absolutely owned Ogando this year. They have a collective .975 OPS against him, though this carries the dreaded small sample size warning of only 10 2/3 innings.

      Likewise, they own Colby Lewis to the tune of a 1.078 OPS in 15 2/3 innings.

      Oh, and look at that: Derek Holland has allowed a 1.069 OPS to the Yankees in 28 innings.

      Now Matt Harrison’s done a little better, only allowing an .810 OPS in 28.1 innings.

      So I honestly don’t think I’m selling the Rangers rotation short by saying they have one decent pitcher followed by a bunch of shit that is certainly not any better than the Yankees’ rotation.

      • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

        The reason why it’s a 10 2/3 inning sample size is because the Yankees beat the shit out of him all three times. But I see what you’re saying, referring to Ogando that is..

      • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

        CJ Wilson has a 4.76 ERA in 32.1 IP as a starter against the Yankees in his career, including last year’s playoffs. So yeah, I feel pretty good about our chances against Texas.

        • Natron

          Whatever the Texas numbers are against the Yanks, look at Colon, Hughes, and Garcia’s numbers in the 2nd half against the WHOLE LEAGUE. Talk about sample sizes. The Yanks have the WORST rotation among the current 4 postseason teams. If history has taught us anything, it’s that STARTING PITCHING is the most important factor in the postseason. It’s the reason the Cleveland Indians didn’t win the WS with Manny, Thome, etc. OPS doesn’t equal success.

          • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

            +1

            • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

              With the whole Cleveland Indians teams and pitching in the postseason being important. Not so sure about the Yankees having the worst rotation of all the playoff teams though.

              • Rick in Boston

                Cleveland was more unlucky than “not good enough pitching”.

                ’95 – World Series, lost to Braves in 6; five starters with above 100 OPS+
                ’96 – playoffs, lost the LDS to Baltimore in 4; four starters with above 100 OPS+
                ’97 – World Series, lost to the Marlins in 7; one starter with above 100 OPS+
                ’98 – playoffs, lost the LDS to Yankees in 6; four starters with above 100 OPS+
                ’99 – playoffs, lost the LDS to Boston in 5; three starters with above 100 OPS+

                This is not super scientific, and shows how much luck playoff pitching is. They came within a Jose Mesa blown save of winning the world series despite a meh rotation in ’97. To give some comparison:

                ’11 Yankees – playoffs, results TBD; four starters with above 100 OPS+

                • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

                  Oh boy here we go with this luck bullshit.

          • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

            The Yanks have the WORST rotation among the current 4 postseason teams.

            That’s crazy. The Yankees starters have the 2nd best FIP and ERA and the best xFIP of any playoff team this year (Yankees, Rangers, Tigers, Red Sox). And they HAVE won 90 games this year…with this pitching staff.

            • Sayid J.

              Second half has been a different story though…

              • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

                But the pitchers are getting the wins! It’s all about the wins!

                /Kay’d

              • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

                3.94 ERA in the second half. Not as good as the first half, but still very good. Boston has a 4.47 ERA in the second half.

                • Len S.

                  A.J. and Colon and to a much lesser extant Garcia and Hughes have really knocked the shit out of that.

                • Natron

                  Boston’s ERA is due to the back end of their rotation, which matters a lot less in the playoffs. They still run Beckett – Lester #1 and #2. Pretty sure their playoff rotation is better than the Yanks’. Detroit and Texas get the edge for all the reasons mentioned above. Beckett and Lester pitch 4 out of 7 games in a series. #5 starter doesn’t pitch at all. #4 starter pitches one game. Back end doesn’t matter. The Yanks have ONE playoff quality starter.

                  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

                    Well the Red Sox are obviously going to have to use someone other than Beckett and Lester in the playoffs, if they even get there. The Ranger’s rotation may on the surface have better numbers than the Yankees, but look at the numbers, all of their starters have been awful against the Yankees. Detroit is the only one that might be better, but that is mostly because of Verlander.

                    • A-Rod’s Wingman

                      All of the Yankee starters have done awful against Boston, does that mean that Red Sox fans should worry about nothing once they make the playoffs? Likewise does that mean we should panic?

                      Look, people worried about Texas or Detroit have good reason to be concerned. It’s not like anyone would be shocked if any AL playoff team makes it all the way. Texas, Detroit, Boston, and Tampa are all good teams that are legitimate WS contenders if they make it to the post season.

                      It isn’t like te past two years where they had the Twins. Each playoff team is a legit team. Thus, it’s okay to be nervous.

      • A-Rod’s Wingman

        Yeah, well how have the Red Sox done against the Yankees? Anyone panicking about that is (rightly) told that those old match ups don’t matter and that these playoff games are independent of the past events. CJ Wilson, Alexi Ogando, and Colby Lewis have had good years. Despite what happened in the regular season it isn’t unthinkable to say that they can shut down the Yankees in the post season.

  • duzzi23

    I don’t care what their regular season numbers vs the Yankees hitters are I’m just saying as a whole their rotation is better and has more depth as a whole. CC can’t pitch 4 times. I also said the Yankees are the better team just Texas has a better rotation.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      You got a point.
      Phil Hughes dominated against the Rangers in his career before last year’s ALCS and he got lit up both times, or at least the first game, the second game he went 4.2 and allowed 4, technically not the worst outing in the world but considering the circumstances…

  • BK2ATL

    We better hope that the Angels are really done for. That top 3 in the rotation of Weaver, Haren and Santana would clearly be the best in the AL postseason. They are scary. Then there’s that Scoiscia guy who consistently outmanages our guy.

    Honestly, I’m not that worried about our rotation. Hopefully, Hughes returns to take the ball on the 3rd start. If not, throw Freddy out there and keep Noesi, Ayala and Wade near the phone.

    Both Texas and Detroit are beatable this year, esp. if our offense comes with their A-game, meaning tough at-bats vs. Wilson/Lewis/Holland/Harrison/Ogando or Verlander/Scherzer/Porcello/Fister. Wear them down and get into their bullpens.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      So I take it you’re on the “Colon to the bullpen bandwagon” now huh?

    • Januz

      I agree 100% with you about LA (I watched Angels/Blue Jays last night, hoping Toronto would win). The funny thing about last night, was although the Yankees “Lost” they actually “Won” as well. Not only did the Angels lose, but so did Texas & Detroit, which allowed the Yankee magic number to clinching the best record in the AL to be reduced.

  • duzzi23

    Id rather have Colon start than AJ or Hughes with a bad back. Like in 07 with Clemens hamstring injury. Hopefully some extra rest with help Bart get back to form for the playoffs

  • Paulies Favorite Water Cooler

    Colon has had a phenomenal year to say the least, given how low the expectations were for him. However, any Yankee fan that says they are comfortable with him starting a playoff game is absolutely insane. The guy has been brutal his last handful of starts. The question for Girardi now becomes who am I least scared of starting amongst AJ, Bart, and Hughes? Because I don’t think any of them can be trusted at this point. Whether up 2-1 or down 2-1 I can’t see how CC isn’t pitching game 4.

    • Midland TX

      Most sensible comment in this thread. Given what we’ve seen and heard about Hughes’s injury and Colon’s fastball straightening out and slowing down, if the Yankees are up 2-0 they have to roll the dice and pitch Burnett in Game 3. If you get lucky and get Good AJ then CC is all set for 1-4-7 in the ALDS.

  • Monteroisdinero

    So Montero caught 6-7 pitchers, none of them overly sharp or dominant. He made several nice stops without any passed balls and the Rays did not run wild on him. Yes he can catch well enough.

    • Pants Lendelton

      One of the best things that i came away with from tonight.

    • Brian in NH

      oh snaps. perhaps the whole Montero transition can work out like the posada transition of the 90s after all. Not sure if Montero would get the “sentinmental” nod to stay behind the plate when he really shouldn’t have as long as Jorge did, but that’s what DH is for. Plus Romine should be ML ready in at least a year or two.

    • David, Jr.

      He will be just fine as a catcher, not a Gold Glover but certainly acceptable. I have been saying it for months, and you have for a couple of years. Romine also looks quite good. It is called an embarrassment of riches, at a very difficult position to find above average players. Cashman is going to be deluged with offers for these guys.

  • Tom Zig

    I can’t help but wonder, where would we be if we had Cliff Lee?

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Likely there’s no Colon, no Garcia and no Soriano. No Soriano helps us but even with that Lee makes the Yankees a win better at most.

    • David, Jr.

      Happy and Pissed Off

      Happy with a team that would win 102 games and be a slam dunk World Series favorite. Pissed off watching Montero develop into a certain middle of the order monster for the next ten to fifteen years. Even more pissed off if Nova had gone with him.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        I’m assuming he meant signing Lee when he was a FA.

        • David, Jr.

          I meant if that one trade went through, and he stayed here. An interesting hypothetical in that it was a future in exchange for present trade. Where we become the enormous winner would be if we win the World Series this year, along with having all of the young players in our system that would have gone for him. That is the best possible result, and it could happen.

  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Axisa, how can you say no one cares about this game??? TEH YANKEES R PLAYING FOR TEH HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE THESE G@MES R IMPORTANT!!!!!!!1!.

    I’m flying up for the Yanks/Sox series as we speak, can’t wait for AJ vs. Wakefield!!!

    • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

      Wow, flight just delayed. fucker, mother.

    • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

      Russ Martin cares too…

  • Monteroisdinero

    I think Colon needs rest. He can pitch game 3 on 10 days rest. Have him go 3-4 innings and have Freddy ready in the 4th. No expectations beyond 4 innings. This will work out best. Instead of all this fuss about who is going to start the 3rd game, use our #3,4,5 and 6 starters to get through game 3 and 4 if need be. If each of these guys cannot give us 3-4 decent innings, we won’t and don’t deserve to win. Maybe our offense will put up big #’s against our opponents’ pitchers that are not their #1 and #2 guys.

  • Monteroisdinero

    Montero is gonna be a helluva #3/4 hitter before too long. Cano/Montero…..Montero/Cano

    either way works fine.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Is it too early to come up with a name for them?

  • bakekrukow412

    Cantero?

    • bakekrukow412

      ^^ meant for above comment about Cano and Montero.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        It’s a start

  • Alibaba

    Colon innings pitched went sharply up. This likely is the reason for his latest lack of sharpness. Perhaps they can give him some rest.

  • Ro

    Hate to break to many of you on here and I’ve been saying it for months; Colon would not hold up down the stretch. The velocity is there, he is just fatigued. There is nothing wrong with that and frankly, it was too easy to see it coming. He’ll be a fine long man in the pen for the playoffs. No issue with this whatsoever.

    Another thing I’m pretty certain about is that the Yankees do in fact pitch Burnett in the ALDS. I do believe we are looking at CC, Burnett (#2) at home and Nova (#3) away although those last two could be swapped.

    Hughes is a bit of question mark right now and frankly, I think AJ is the stronger bet over him at least for the ALDS. Yeah Burnett is a freak of nature, he’s a hot mess most days, but the man has strike out stuff. That’s never changed. I’m willing to bet that AJ actually pitches a brilliant game next weekend. Remember this isn’t Lackey who not only is a mess, he flat out doesn’t have the stuff to pitch a big. AJ does. Perhaps a lobotomy is order prior to AJ’s start. Clean out that brain of his. Send someone to go kick him in the nuts. Get Mike Tyson to bite a chunk out of his ear. Spit in his face. Whatever you’ve got to do. The man can go and pitch 7 or 8 of 1 or 2 hit ball with 10k’s easily. It’s there. Cashman and Girardi know this. I don’t want to hear the bitching on here from other fans. AJ is the right choice.

    It’s not going to be Colon. He’s burnt out. Freddy possibly, but I’m not sold on him either and Hughes is way too risky at the moment.

    I’m probably the ONLY person here that would approve of AJ pitching game 2 or 3 over the existing options.

  • Ro

    …and despite what is written on paper, you win with your best, you lose with your best and Burnett is better than Hughes, Colon, Garcia at this very moment.

    I have no issues with Garcia at all. A brilliant signing by Cashman. Garcia has been fun to watch and he did exactly what he was paid to do. Soak up large amounts of quality innings durning the season. He did exactly that and I say bravo. He was not however, signed to be the game 3 pitcher in the playoffs. You DO NOT send a pitcher like him out to the mound to face the Rangers or the lefty heavy Sox. Angels and Rays maybe, but only time we’d probably see either of those teams is in the ALCS. For the ALDS the more I think about it, I don’t see how it’s not possible that AJ’s pitches game 2 or 3.

  • JB

    Maybe AJ should go 3 innings before he implodes, then bring in Bart for 3 innings and then give it to the bullpen.

  • S

    Mike, to answer your question about Brackman, he’s had that cutter for a while. I’ve heard that he’s gotten it up to 95mph (I’ve heard it called a power cutter before)

  • Bavarian Yankee

    Betances was fun. I expected him to be wilder than Burnett but holy cow he was walking the crap outta them :D

    If he and Banuelos keep on walking people like they did this year than that’ll be some frustrating years to come.