Saturday Night Open Thread

Did the Short Porch Sink the Yankees?
Talks between Yanks, Cashman going well
At least I can enjoy watching him now because he's not facing the Yanks. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

Wow, was today not weird? Nice lazy Saturday with gorgeous weather … and no Yankees to watch. I kept looking at the clock to see if it was 1pm out of habit, but alas, no baseball to be watched. I hate this time of year, having to figure out a new routine after the end of the Yankees season. Oh well, it’s a necessary evil no matter how far they go in the postseason.

Anyway, Game One of the ALCS starts at 8:05pm ET and can be seen on FOX (Verlander vs. Wilson). I’m sure there’s plenty of college football going on as well, plus the Devils and Islanders start their season tonight. Talk about the ALCS or anything you want here. Enjoy.

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Did the Short Porch Sink the Yankees?
Talks between Yanks, Cashman going well
  • A-ROD fan

    So i will change my nick name for this. R.CANO FAN.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    this is the first time that I can remember that I could honestly care less about the result of a playoff series.

    given that I’m totally on the Cards bandwagon now, haha.

  • The Big City of Dreams

    I kept looking at the clock to see if it was 1pm out of habit, but alas, no baseball to be watched

    —————–

    So did I more than once. It sucks when you remind yourself that 1) regular season baseball has been finished for a while so there are no games at 1:00 and 2) the Yankees are eliminated.

  • https://twitter.com/johnsc2000 JohnnyC

    Howard not back until June. Do the Phillies go and sign Carlos Pena? Or will their rotation of aces keep them afloat until then?

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Jesus for Hamels.

      • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

        No thank you.

        • TomH

          Well then, what pitcher would you take for Montero?

          • The Big City of Dreams

            Felix, Kershaw, Verlander, Lincecum

            But none of those guys are going to be moved so

            • Louis
              • Louis

                How about those guys?

                • The Big City of Dreams

                  Shields – yes – unfortunately he’s in the same division
                  Latos – no
                  Gio – probably no
                  Cahill – probably no
                  Cain is interesting.

                  I know fans might say you wouldn’t trade him for Cain or Gio wtf. It might be prospect hugging but if I’m moving Jesus I want it to be for a no doubt sure thing. Of course pitchers get hurt and anything can happen but you get the idea.

                • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

                  Cain…Yes.

          • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

            See below.
            It’s not that I don’t want Hamels, it’s just that he’ll be a Free Agent after next season, and Jesus will be a beast (hopefully).

            • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

              Or see above, you get the idea.

      • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

        I highly doubt the Phillies will trade Hamels.

        • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

          He’s a Free Agent after 2012 season.

          • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

            So? They are in “win now” mode with their aging core of Halladay, Lee, Howard, Victorino, etc and frankly, what would they do with Jesus? Howard will be back in June, and they already have a pretty good catcher.

            • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

              I wasn’t endorsing the trade, I was merely stating he is a free agent and they may want to trade him to bring back prospects. They were in Win Now mode when they acquired Halladay, but they still traded Lee to Seattle for prospects, one year removed from HIS free agency.

              • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

                If they are in it (which is very likely) they’ll keep him, IMO.

                • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

                  they just won 100+ games, they will certainly be in it next year. they built a team around a dominant starting rotation, and went home early. they could still win the division without Hamels, probably would win 95 games with a league average replacement. they could get some prospects back for him and try to keep the run going longer. it wouldn’t surprise me at all. if the yanks want to trade Montero for pitching it actually makes sense. one for one, might work. the 4 pitchers you mentioned would require Montero + Cano.

        • JobaWockeeZ

          So do I but he’s still more likely to be dealt than every pitcher that’s worth Jesus.

      • R.CANO FAN

        Nop

        • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

          didn’t you root for Alex back in the day ?

  • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

    Don’t wanna see Texas and their stupid Claw and Antler schtick in the World Series again. I’d love to see a Cardinals/Tigers rematch of the 2006 World Series. If you held a gun to my head I’d say I’d be rooting for the Cardinals to win it all.

    • TomH

      I’m pulling for the Cards because I want one more Musial celebration before Stan dies. MLB really deserves a kick in the ass for how they permitted him to drop out of national consciousness.

      • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

        +1 for The Man

    • The Big City of Dreams

      What pissed me off about the claw/antler thing is other teams now have their own schtick.

      • The Big City of Dreams

        pisses*

        • S

          Where’s ours dammit!! D-Backs had the snake, Brewers have Beast-Mode, Giants “fear the Beard”, RedSox have the leprechaun and his team of douchebags.

          Yankees need a corny schtick

          • The Big City of Dreams

            The chokers *puts hands around throat*

            sorry I had to do it

          • Steve

            Aj burnett and his pies wave hello

          • Monteroisdinero

            Money counting schtick because we are the Yankee$ and Monteroisdinero.

            • TomH

              This was very funny. The whole country would either be outraged or double over in laughter.

              • Monteroisdinero

                The whole country hates the Yankees already. Tough.

          • Will (the other one)

            We have the Death Star, Satan, and cancer, remember?

            That or Jeff Maier.

          • JT

            Yankees don’t do schtick. Yankees are supposed to just win. That’s why they’re the Yankees.

        • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

          That’s why I’m rooting for the Cardinals. They don’t really do that, of if they do, it’s subtle…

          • PBFog

            Its called the rally squirell

            • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

              I remember the Yankees having a squirrel like that in 2007 or 2008 and they named it “Scooter”.

  • Bronx Byte

    It wouldn’t bother me if the Cards won the WS. It would put them 3 WS championships ahead of the Sux but still 16 WS championships behind the Yankees.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      They’re already ahead of the Sux by 3. They have 10, the Sux have 7.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/users/486240-arad-markowitz Mantle28

    Rooting for the Brewers.

    • Esteban

      Yup, me too. Adopting them to win the WS.

    • Jimmy McNulty

      Yeah, I’d like to see them win a rock and try to re-sign Prince Fielder.

    • Jorge (needs a new name)

      Same here.

  • bonestock94

    How does Francona sound? I’d imagine pretty good.

    • Hall and Nokes

      He could play a vuvuzela for the next 3 hours and I would not miss McCarver.

    • Dave

      He is horrible.

  • goterpsgo

    I have no rooting interest except to see Verlander choke and the Tigers do down in flames. Yeah I’m still pissed.

    • Esteban

      I don’t want either of these teams to win.

  • bakekrukow412

    A Yankees/Phillies exhibition series would get better ratings than the real World Series, whatever it may be.

  • V

    Where the hell were those dropped pop flies vs. the Yankees?

  • The Big City of Dreams

    Love watching Verlander pitch when he’s not facing the Bombers.

    #Iwishhewasayankee

  • http://bronxbaseballbloggin.mlblogs.com/ mlbnyy35

    I’m cheering for the Brewers, but I’d rather have some exciting baseball. I want whoever represents the NL to win this year, however.

  • Esteban

    CJ this can be your tryout for the Yankees. Anyone have any interest in Buerhle?

    • https://twitter.com/johnsc2000 JohnnyC

      Depends. If you liked Sweaty Freddy, you’ll like Buehrle, his left-handed brother from another mother.

      • Esteban

        Buerhle’s a bit better than Freddy I think. FIPs right around 4 for the last few years. A short deal wouldn’t be bad.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Wasn’t there talk that he would retire rather than end his career on another team?

      • Esteban

        Oh Buehrle? OK then nevermind.

  • Jesus Freak

    I thought Verlander was invulnerable!?!

    • Esteban

      He gave up 5 runs in 9 innings to the Yankees.

    • S

      Only when given a 3ft wide strike zone…paybacks a bitch Verlander, it ain’t so easy when he’s not getting a special zone

  • Plank

    How does this look? Maybe Cervelli as the major league BUC?

    ML: Martin, Montero
    AAA: Romine, Cervelli
    AA: Higashioka?
    A+: Murphy
    A: Sanchez
    SS: Tejeda

    Does that seem realistic?

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Verlander has a 10.80 ERA in the ALCS. Man, that guy SUCKS!!

  • Esteban

    Yeah, I think I’m rooting for the Rangers.

  • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

    I want to Chew and Cuss too!

  • http://RAB Nuke LaDoosh

    Hamels having surgery on his elbow (and also hernia)…

  • McLovin

    Is it just me, because im still pissed about that Billy Butler homerun that should of been a double, which was like in August.

  • Esteban

    Is Nolan Ryan overrated? Despite all of his Ks, he only had a career ERA+ of 112

    • Plank

      It depends how you rate him. I never hear his name mentioned in the best pitcher of all time conversation, but he’s certainly a clear hall of famer. That seems about right to me.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      A career 92 WAR sucks oh so much.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Tim McCarver will bring up the 2004 ALCS more times in 5 innings of game 3 than Francona will for all 18 innings of games 1 and 2.

    not so bold prediction’d

  • http://highfirstpitch.wordpress.com/ Stratman9652

    I wish the Rays would have beat the Rangers. So much more fun to watch. Neither the Rangers nor the Tigers really do anything for me. Guess I’m stuck watching the NLCS. Rooting for the Cards simply because Lance Berkman was such a class act in the short time he was a Yankee, can’t help but like the guy. Funny the reasons you find to like a team.

  • Paul Avery

    Just amazing how CC looked so awful against this weak lineup while CJ Wilson is mowing them down. These guys can be shut down by a good lefty. Ours couldn’t do it even once and it cost us a chance to play in this series.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Mowing them down? He put six men on base in the first three innings, got bailed out by two double plays.

      • Hall and Nokes

        And he doesn’t have to face Delmon Young!

    • Esteban

      Shit happens. CC is a great pitcher.

      • JT

        CC was not a great pitcher after July. Far from it.

    • tom

      If Gerry Davis were umpiring this game and not calling crucial strikes, CJ Wilson might not look quite as good to you

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      Let CC walk, sign Wilson.

      Solved.

      • Jorge (needs a new name)

        Ha ha ha ha NO.

  • Esteban

    Nelson Cruz has crazy power.

    • Monteroisdinero

      He was my closest comp to Montero last year.

    • Ricky

      Yup, just like most of their hitters.

  • Tipsie

    I know it’s over. I’ll get over it. However, I must still vent:

    You have a series ERA of 3.27
    You have better players @ 6 of 9 positions (not C, 1B, or DH)
    You outscore them by 11
    You score 5 runs off Verlander

    How did you lose?

    • Darren

      the ERA is normal, not insanely good, for the playoffs.

      So, not getting big hits + two poorly timed bullpen runs = Series Loss

    • Karl Krawfid

      Lack of productive at bats from 3-4-5-6?

      All they really needed to do was put the ball in play :(

    • Paul Avery

      You lose because the ace of your staff could not shut down this weak lineup when your lineup scored 4 off Verlander. You lose because the ace of your staff was used for 2 innings in relief and gave up the go ahead run.

      • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

        CC sux lol whatevs let him go

        • FIPster Doofus

          He’s kind of right, though. Sabathia didn’t deliver in Game 3 and it cost the Yankees dearly. Four runs off Verlander with your ace on the mound should be enough.

          That said, there are plenty of other culprits who contributed to the Yankees’ early playoff exit, and I still love CC.

          • AndrewYF

            So, wait, if Verlander were a pending free agent, the Tigers would be smart to let him go because he doesn’t come through for them?

            The mind, it boggles.

            • JT

              OK, so just give CC the 6/150 extension he wants? I mean, they should just make him the highest paid pitcher in MLB by a lot becuase he really is that much better than everyone else.

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                You have no idea if 6/50 is what Sabathia wants, you just pulled that out of your ass.

                I mean, they should just make him the highest paid pitcher in MLB by a lot becuase he really is that much better than everyone else.

                That’s not at all how it works. You obviously have no comprehension of MLB’s salary structure.

                • JT

                  They say he wants at least what Lee was offered. He alreasy makes $23MM/yr. It’ll be in that range.

            • FIPster Doofus

              Um, no. I don’t want CC to go anywhere; he needs to be re-signed.

          • tom

            Didn’t someone document that CC has a history of “not delivering” when Gerry Davis is calling ball and strikes? Most of us thought CC was getting shafted out there on calls — especially compared to Verlander. I’m not saying there was anything nefarious in Davis’ game. I’d just suggest there are certain umpires whose strike zones are conducive to certain pitchers, and others — as in this case — who are not? It might have just been bad luck of the draw for CC to get the latter on this important night. (And even so, he battled Verlander to a standoff; it took a Soriano homer to win it for Detroit)

        • Mickey S

          Realistically, it prob not a bad idea. Think about it, 92M over 4 years turns into 7/176 and I don’t care how great a single player is, that’s entirely too much money for a pitcher, especially a 300lb one. They could sign Wang, Wilson, Willis, Jackson and Vazquez for close to what CC’s making next year. Or they could spend some of that cash to use as a, non penalty, posting fee for Darvish and sign two of the above mentioned pitchers.

          • AndrewYF

            “Wang, Wilson, Willis, Jackson and Vazquez”

            And they wouldn’t add up to what CC would provide. And they’d use up 5 roster spots instead of just one!

            Genius.

            • Mickey S

              I don’t want them all, all I was saying they’d be able to sign two sure things and a couple reclamation projects and get more value from multiple pitchers as opposed to tying up all that money into one roster spot.

              • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

                None of those guys are sure things.

    • Jorge (needs a new name)

      It’s time to move on. Really.

  • karel capek

    Breaking Bad season finale tomorrow. I’m very excited.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Me too. It’s going to be incredible.

      • Jesus Freak

        hopefully, better than the ALDS finale.

  • Paul Avery

    I think we need to start looking at the Texas model for how to win in the playoffs. Texas not only gets there, they win. Their lineup shows up and knocked us around pretty good last year. Nolan Ryan doesn’t baby his pitchers and they aren’t ruined like Joba, Hughes, and Wang. He loses Cliff Lee and he still puts together a team on the brink of a championship. Pretty impressive.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      So if they lose this series, should we avoid that model since they did worse than last year?

    • The Big City of Dreams

      To be fair with Wang his injury was a freak one. I don’t blame them for the injury but they take the blame for how they handled his rehab.

    • tom

      Why do I get the feeling your memory doesn’t go back very far? The Yankee “model” for winning in the playoffs wasn’t so bad in that long-ago time of two frickin’ years ago. We don’t even know if Texas will survive this round yet…and before last year they hadn’t made the playoffs since 1999. Your criteria seems to be “we gotta be like the guys we see winning tonight”.

      And the fate of these TX pitchers can’t be known until their workload has time to catch up. Christ, Billy Martin pushed his young 1981 Oakland A’s pitchers to amazing heights; a couple of years on, they were were all pretty much out of baseball from overwork.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Last Yankees title: 2009
      Last Rangers title: *crickets*

      • JT

        Yankees 2011 payroll: $207 million

        Rangers 2011 payroll: $92 million

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Maybe if the Rangers spent more, they’d do something meaningful one day.

          • JT

            They’ve already done something meaningful.

            • Dave

              Lose?

        • http://johnsterling.blogspot.com/ Xstar7

          The 1998 Yankees, probably the greatest team in Yankees history, had a payroll of $64 million. The Orioles and their $71 million dollar payroll that season didn’t make the playoffs. (Yes I know the market has changed. But the Yankees didn’t even have the highest payroll that season and the next closest team to them was only $4 million behind.)

          Payroll =/= team performance. And especially not how teams fare in the crapshoot that is the playoffs.

    • Jorge (needs a new name)

      Cue TSJC’s burrito in the microwave.

      • Pat D

        His absence has been painfully obvious these last several weeks.

  • Mickey S

    So how about those young Phillies? Howard could be on the shelf for a couple months into next season with that ruptured achilles, Hamels is getting “bodies” removed from his left elbow and Pence, Polanco and Hamels all have hernias. Wowza.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Damn they were pretty beat up

  • S

    That Wilson video was funny, MLB really needs to do more fun things like that

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Yea they should plus some good commercials would help as well. The game is filled with young stars promote them.

      • S

        I agree completely…its too bad though that the GM is an inept dumbass

        • S

          I meant the commissioner is a dumbass

          • The Big City of Dreams

            Yep unfortunately that’s the case.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Jeff Mathis would have blocked that

    obligatory’d

  • Reggie C.

    Joey Votto is on the trade block according to Buster Olney.

    Looks like a team like the Orioles can finally find that big power bat if they’re willing to part with the young talent.

    • S

      They should be, they (the O’s) have somehow turned fucking up blue chip prospects into an art form.

  • Jorge (needs a new name)

    To me, any talk of the Yankees reconsidering trading Montero is the stuff of tabloids knee-jerk reactions. If anything, I’d guess he’d be more off the table now than ever before. He showed he can hit and did not look like a liability behind the plate. A first-round playoff exit will not change the gameplan with this franchise, not in 2011. The same guys that were off the table before will be off the table now.

  • Jwt

    Tonight: tarp out within 1-2 minutes of first drop. ALDS — No rain delay under any circumstances.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      Lol they didn’t even think the rain in the ALDS was going to be serious. Hell before it rained did anyone know it was going too

  • JT

    Maybe if we can shift our expectations slightly, we can once again appreciate how much effort it takes to simply have the opportunity to win a championship year in and year out. World Series are the ultimate thrill, but making the playoffs and witnessing a representative effort is still pretty exciting too.

    ————

    You gotta be kidding me. This is the New York Yankees we’re talking about.

    • Jorge (needs a new name)

      ….who didn’t win a World Championship from 1978 to 1996. How exactly did you handle that?

      • JT

        It absolutely sucked.

        • Jimmy

          Seconded.

        • Dave

          Spoiled brat.

  • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

    Those Fox guys are clueless. Washington should bring in Oliver, no question.

    • JMK

      Who was the guy sitting next to Karros?

      • Jesus Freak

        Pierzynski

      • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

        AJ Pierzynski. And he said they should send out Wilson to “try and get him a win”

        • JMK

          I saw that and couldn’t believe it. What an idiot.

  • Jesus Freak

    This broadcast needs so hot side line reporters like Heidi Watney and Sam Ryan.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      +100000000

  • Pat D

    I’m adopting the Brewers for the stretch. Obviously I can’t root for the Tigers or Rangers, and I certainly can’t root for a franchise managed by Tony LaRussa that also holds an edge against the Yankees in head to head World Series appearances.

  • Ethan

    Can someone explain to me why fox doesn’t live stream the games on their website? I don’t have cable, or a tv for that matter so I cannot watch the games. If fox just streamed the games with commercials I would be more than happy to watch. There’s no way for me to watch. Stupid stupid broadcasting companies. This is why everyone uses illegal torrents and streaming. Their refusal to change their ways and get with the modern times is the reason people pirate stuff.

  • Jim

    No baseball, but some great college football games to drown the sorrows and to forget about hopes gone past.

  • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

    Calling a Neftali Feliz blown save.

    (If I keep calling it, it will eventually happen, right??)

    • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

      Call for Feliz to allow 2 runs and then for Valverde to allow 2 more.

      • Freddy Garcia’s 86 mph Heat

        well shit, that didn’t work out so well.

        btw, why didn’t the Tigers send their pinch runner?

        • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

          No idea, but why didn’t they pinch hit for Austin Jackson? I’m sorry, but going into that AB I KNEW he was going to punch out.

          • Dave

            Just imagine the whining about Austin Jackson on his loopy no power swing if he were in CF for us.

  • dkidd

    come on tigers

    i want my grumpy Nolan Ryan cutaway!

  • https://twitter.com/TheRealJeromeS Jerome S.

    Everyone claiming that CC wasn’t good for us down the stretch is batshit insane. He was the man, start to finish. His postseason was bad. Big whoop. Babe Ruth ended the 1926 World Series on a caught stealing, shit happens in small samples.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      He wasn’t really that good down the stretch, considering what he did earlier in the year.

      Final 9 regular season starts
      4-5, 4.30 ERA, 60.2 innings, 77 hits, 10 homers allowed

      Now, if someone says that the Yankees should let him walk because of that is batshit insane.

      Btw, speaking of shit happening in SSS, See Andy Pettitte in the 2001 World Series.

      • https://twitter.com/TheRealJeromeS Jerome S.

        It’s kind of a dumb argument, but his BAbip in the second half was through the roof. Some of that was his fault, some of it wasn’t. Watching his starts, there were lots of balls going for hits that weren’t earlier.
        Also, he experienced, like, major regression on his HR/FB.
        In other words, he got unlucky. Only August was “sub-par” really, it’s the only month with a 4+ FIP.

    • Jimmy

      They should have let that Ruth guy walk too.

  • dkidd

    feliz is nasty

    texas will be tough to beat for years

    boy do i hate that team

  • Karl Krawfid

    Yankees should really be ashamed of themselves for losing to the Tigers.

  • Craig

    This Is ashame- Bald Vinny isn’t returning. Who does roll call now?

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      There may be no more roll call.

      First YS2 is gone, then George Steinbrenner and Bob Sheppard are gone (RIP), Andy Pettitte retired, Geno will retire as will Posada (or at least he won’t be back, which I think most if not all of us agree with that), and now Bald Vinny may be gone?

      My God, things have changed for the worst lately and it sucks!

      • http://johnsterling.blogspot.com/ Xstar7

        “There may be no more roll call.”

        Bullshit. There are about 50 other full-time bleacher creatures. One of them will do it.

        And the good that’s happened to the Yankees lately outweighs the bad. Derek Jeter’s 3,000th hit. Mariano Rivera’s 602nd save. A-Rod’s 600th home run. Robinson Cano winning the home run derby. Winning the AL East crown this year when no one thought they would. Watching the Red Sox choke away their postseason berth. And The emergence of Jesus.

    • Jesus Freak

      Why isn’t he returning?

      • Karl Krawfid

        Said something about getting a stable job.

      • http://johnsterling.blogspot.com/ Xstar7

        His business selling Yankees merchandise was going down the drain and now he needs to get a real job to support his family and won’t be able to go to every Yankee game anymore. Sad.

  • Zach

    People do realize that even if we had beaten the Tigers,we wouldn’t Ivan Nova for the ALCS or World Series.
    That made our chances of winning it all go down dramatically.

    P.S. It does appear Verlander thought he was getting squeezed. Not surprised considering the nice strike zone he got last week.

    • http://bleedingyankeeblue.com Jesse

      What goes around comes around.

  • Bart

    Outside of a trade, perhaps, for Steven Strasburg or Bryce Harper, why trade Montero? Yogi Berra switched from catching to the outfield in the early sixties. Was an aging Berra more athletic than Montero is now? Montero should be playing the outfield for all or part of Venezuelan winter ball.

  • Jose M. Vazquez..

    I agree with Bart in part. First in the many years I have been a Yankee fan we have never won with a light hitting catcher. You will say, we won with Girardi, yes but he was backed up by Leiritz who was as good a clutch hitter as they come. Sedond, Posada improved his catching under the tutelage of Tony Pena. Even though he had shoulder problems. Heck, good hitting catchers are hard to come by. Being so young I do not see why Montero cannot improve his defense. On another subject; I was watching Carpenter and Halladay dueling the other day with two distinct pitching styles. On the one hand you have Halladay with the classic wind up delivery and Carpenter with the no windup delivery and both were fantastic. The no windup delivery is what AJ needs. It is taylor made for tall guys and easy to repeat the motion time and again. I have suggested this time and again but I guess no one cares what us fans think.