Saturday Night Open Thread


At least I can enjoy watching him now because he's not facing the Yanks. (AP Photo/Carlos Osorio)

Wow, was today not weird? Nice lazy Saturday with gorgeous weather … and no Yankees to watch. I kept looking at the clock to see if it was 1pm out of habit, but alas, no baseball to be watched. I hate this time of year, having to figure out a new routine after the end of the Yankees season. Oh well, it’s a necessary evil no matter how far they go in the postseason.

Anyway, Game One of the ALCS starts at 8:05pm ET and can be seen on FOX (Verlander vs. Wilson). I’m sure there’s plenty of college football going on as well, plus the Devils and Islanders start their season tonight. Talk about the ALCS or anything you want here. Enjoy.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. A-ROD fan says:

    So i will change my nick name for this. R.CANO FAN.

  2. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    this is the first time that I can remember that I could honestly care less about the result of a playoff series.

    given that I’m totally on the Cards bandwagon now, haha.

  3. The Big City of Dreams says:

    I kept looking at the clock to see if it was 1pm out of habit, but alas, no baseball to be watched


    So did I more than once. It sucks when you remind yourself that 1) regular season baseball has been finished for a while so there are no games at 1:00 and 2) the Yankees are eliminated.

  4. JohnnyC says:

    Howard not back until June. Do the Phillies go and sign Carlos Pena? Or will their rotation of aces keep them afloat until then?

  5. Jesse says:

    Don’t wanna see Texas and their stupid Claw and Antler schtick in the World Series again. I’d love to see a Cardinals/Tigers rematch of the 2006 World Series. If you held a gun to my head I’d say I’d be rooting for the Cardinals to win it all.

  6. Bronx Byte says:

    It wouldn’t bother me if the Cards won the WS. It would put them 3 WS championships ahead of the Sux but still 16 WS championships behind the Yankees.

  7. Mantle28 says:

    Rooting for the Brewers.

  8. bonestock94 says:

    How does Francona sound? I’d imagine pretty good.

  9. goterpsgo says:

    I have no rooting interest except to see Verlander choke and the Tigers do down in flames. Yeah I’m still pissed.

  10. bakekrukow412 says:

    A Yankees/Phillies exhibition series would get better ratings than the real World Series, whatever it may be.

  11. V says:

    Where the hell were those dropped pop flies vs. the Yankees?

  12. The Big City of Dreams says:

    Love watching Verlander pitch when he’s not facing the Bombers.


  13. mlbnyy35 says:

    I’m cheering for the Brewers, but I’d rather have some exciting baseball. I want whoever represents the NL to win this year, however.

  14. Esteban says:

    CJ this can be your tryout for the Yankees. Anyone have any interest in Buerhle?

  15. Jesus Freak says:

    I thought Verlander was invulnerable!?!

  16. Plank says:

    How does this look? Maybe Cervelli as the major league BUC?

    ML: Martin, Montero
    AAA: Romine, Cervelli
    AA: Higashioka?
    A+: Murphy
    A: Sanchez
    SS: Tejeda

    Does that seem realistic?

  17. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Verlander has a 10.80 ERA in the ALCS. Man, that guy SUCKS!!

  18. Esteban says:

    Yeah, I think I’m rooting for the Rangers.

  19. Nuke LaDoosh says:

    I want to Chew and Cuss too!

  20. Nuke LaDoosh says:

    Hamels having surgery on his elbow (and also hernia)…

  21. McLovin says:

    Is it just me, because im still pissed about that Billy Butler homerun that should of been a double, which was like in August.

  22. Esteban says:

    Is Nolan Ryan overrated? Despite all of his Ks, he only had a career ERA+ of 112

  23. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Tim McCarver will bring up the 2004 ALCS more times in 5 innings of game 3 than Francona will for all 18 innings of games 1 and 2.

    not so bold prediction’d

  24. Stratman9652 says:

    I wish the Rays would have beat the Rangers. So much more fun to watch. Neither the Rangers nor the Tigers really do anything for me. Guess I’m stuck watching the NLCS. Rooting for the Cards simply because Lance Berkman was such a class act in the short time he was a Yankee, can’t help but like the guy. Funny the reasons you find to like a team.

  25. Paul Avery says:

    Just amazing how CC looked so awful against this weak lineup while CJ Wilson is mowing them down. These guys can be shut down by a good lefty. Ours couldn’t do it even once and it cost us a chance to play in this series.

  26. Esteban says:

    Nelson Cruz has crazy power.

  27. Tipsie says:

    I know it’s over. I’ll get over it. However, I must still vent:

    You have a series ERA of 3.27
    You have better players @ 6 of 9 positions (not C, 1B, or DH)
    You outscore them by 11
    You score 5 runs off Verlander

    How did you lose?

    • Darren says:

      the ERA is normal, not insanely good, for the playoffs.

      So, not getting big hits + two poorly timed bullpen runs = Series Loss

    • Karl Krawfid says:

      Lack of productive at bats from 3-4-5-6?

      All they really needed to do was put the ball in play :(

    • Paul Avery says:

      You lose because the ace of your staff could not shut down this weak lineup when your lineup scored 4 off Verlander. You lose because the ace of your staff was used for 2 innings in relief and gave up the go ahead run.

      • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

        CC sux lol whatevs let him go

        • FIPster Doofus says:

          He’s kind of right, though. Sabathia didn’t deliver in Game 3 and it cost the Yankees dearly. Four runs off Verlander with your ace on the mound should be enough.

          That said, there are plenty of other culprits who contributed to the Yankees’ early playoff exit, and I still love CC.

          • AndrewYF says:

            So, wait, if Verlander were a pending free agent, the Tigers would be smart to let him go because he doesn’t come through for them?

            The mind, it boggles.

            • JT says:

              OK, so just give CC the 6/150 extension he wants? I mean, they should just make him the highest paid pitcher in MLB by a lot becuase he really is that much better than everyone else.

              • Mike Axisa says:

                You have no idea if 6/50 is what Sabathia wants, you just pulled that out of your ass.

                I mean, they should just make him the highest paid pitcher in MLB by a lot becuase he really is that much better than everyone else.

                That’s not at all how it works. You obviously have no comprehension of MLB’s salary structure.

            • FIPster Doofus says:

              Um, no. I don’t want CC to go anywhere; he needs to be re-signed.

          • tom says:

            Didn’t someone document that CC has a history of “not delivering” when Gerry Davis is calling ball and strikes? Most of us thought CC was getting shafted out there on calls — especially compared to Verlander. I’m not saying there was anything nefarious in Davis’ game. I’d just suggest there are certain umpires whose strike zones are conducive to certain pitchers, and others — as in this case — who are not? It might have just been bad luck of the draw for CC to get the latter on this important night. (And even so, he battled Verlander to a standoff; it took a Soriano homer to win it for Detroit)

        • Mickey S says:

          Realistically, it prob not a bad idea. Think about it, 92M over 4 years turns into 7/176 and I don’t care how great a single player is, that’s entirely too much money for a pitcher, especially a 300lb one. They could sign Wang, Wilson, Willis, Jackson and Vazquez for close to what CC’s making next year. Or they could spend some of that cash to use as a, non penalty, posting fee for Darvish and sign two of the above mentioned pitchers.

          • AndrewYF says:

            “Wang, Wilson, Willis, Jackson and Vazquez”

            And they wouldn’t add up to what CC would provide. And they’d use up 5 roster spots instead of just one!


            • Mickey S says:

              I don’t want them all, all I was saying they’d be able to sign two sure things and a couple reclamation projects and get more value from multiple pitchers as opposed to tying up all that money into one roster spot.

    • Jorge (needs a new name) says:

      It’s time to move on. Really.

  28. karel capek says:

    Breaking Bad season finale tomorrow. I’m very excited.

  29. Paul Avery says:

    I think we need to start looking at the Texas model for how to win in the playoffs. Texas not only gets there, they win. Their lineup shows up and knocked us around pretty good last year. Nolan Ryan doesn’t baby his pitchers and they aren’t ruined like Joba, Hughes, and Wang. He loses Cliff Lee and he still puts together a team on the brink of a championship. Pretty impressive.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      So if they lose this series, should we avoid that model since they did worse than last year?

    • The Big City of Dreams says:

      To be fair with Wang his injury was a freak one. I don’t blame them for the injury but they take the blame for how they handled his rehab.

    • tom says:

      Why do I get the feeling your memory doesn’t go back very far? The Yankee “model” for winning in the playoffs wasn’t so bad in that long-ago time of two frickin’ years ago. We don’t even know if Texas will survive this round yet…and before last year they hadn’t made the playoffs since 1999. Your criteria seems to be “we gotta be like the guys we see winning tonight”.

      And the fate of these TX pitchers can’t be known until their workload has time to catch up. Christ, Billy Martin pushed his young 1981 Oakland A’s pitchers to amazing heights; a couple of years on, they were were all pretty much out of baseball from overwork.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Last Yankees title: 2009
      Last Rangers title: *crickets*

    • Jorge (needs a new name) says:

      Cue TSJC’s burrito in the microwave.

  30. Mickey S says:

    So how about those young Phillies? Howard could be on the shelf for a couple months into next season with that ruptured achilles, Hamels is getting “bodies” removed from his left elbow and Pence, Polanco and Hamels all have hernias. Wowza.

  31. S says:

    That Wilson video was funny, MLB really needs to do more fun things like that

  32. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Jeff Mathis would have blocked that


  33. Reggie C. says:

    Joey Votto is on the trade block according to Buster Olney.

    Looks like a team like the Orioles can finally find that big power bat if they’re willing to part with the young talent.

  34. Jorge (needs a new name) says:

    To me, any talk of the Yankees reconsidering trading Montero is the stuff of tabloids knee-jerk reactions. If anything, I’d guess he’d be more off the table now than ever before. He showed he can hit and did not look like a liability behind the plate. A first-round playoff exit will not change the gameplan with this franchise, not in 2011. The same guys that were off the table before will be off the table now.

  35. Jwt says:

    Tonight: tarp out within 1-2 minutes of first drop. ALDS — No rain delay under any circumstances.

    • The Big City of Dreams says:

      Lol they didn’t even think the rain in the ALDS was going to be serious. Hell before it rained did anyone know it was going too

  36. JT says:

    Maybe if we can shift our expectations slightly, we can once again appreciate how much effort it takes to simply have the opportunity to win a championship year in and year out. World Series are the ultimate thrill, but making the playoffs and witnessing a representative effort is still pretty exciting too.


    You gotta be kidding me. This is the New York Yankees we’re talking about.

  37. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Those Fox guys are clueless. Washington should bring in Oliver, no question.

  38. Jesus Freak says:

    This broadcast needs so hot side line reporters like Heidi Watney and Sam Ryan.

  39. Pat D says:

    I’m adopting the Brewers for the stretch. Obviously I can’t root for the Tigers or Rangers, and I certainly can’t root for a franchise managed by Tony LaRussa that also holds an edge against the Yankees in head to head World Series appearances.

  40. Ethan says:

    Can someone explain to me why fox doesn’t live stream the games on their website? I don’t have cable, or a tv for that matter so I cannot watch the games. If fox just streamed the games with commercials I would be more than happy to watch. There’s no way for me to watch. Stupid stupid broadcasting companies. This is why everyone uses illegal torrents and streaming. Their refusal to change their ways and get with the modern times is the reason people pirate stuff.

  41. Jim says:

    No baseball, but some great college football games to drown the sorrows and to forget about hopes gone past.

  42. Jesse says:

    Calling a Neftali Feliz blown save.

    (If I keep calling it, it will eventually happen, right??)

  43. dkidd says:

    come on tigers

    i want my grumpy Nolan Ryan cutaway!

  44. Jerome S. says:

    Everyone claiming that CC wasn’t good for us down the stretch is batshit insane. He was the man, start to finish. His postseason was bad. Big whoop. Babe Ruth ended the 1926 World Series on a caught stealing, shit happens in small samples.

    • Jesse says:

      He wasn’t really that good down the stretch, considering what he did earlier in the year.

      Final 9 regular season starts
      4-5, 4.30 ERA, 60.2 innings, 77 hits, 10 homers allowed

      Now, if someone says that the Yankees should let him walk because of that is batshit insane.

      Btw, speaking of shit happening in SSS, See Andy Pettitte in the 2001 World Series.

      • Jerome S. says:

        It’s kind of a dumb argument, but his BAbip in the second half was through the roof. Some of that was his fault, some of it wasn’t. Watching his starts, there were lots of balls going for hits that weren’t earlier.
        Also, he experienced, like, major regression on his HR/FB.
        In other words, he got unlucky. Only August was “sub-par” really, it’s the only month with a 4+ FIP.

    • Jimmy says:

      They should have let that Ruth guy walk too.

  45. dkidd says:

    feliz is nasty

    texas will be tough to beat for years

    boy do i hate that team

  46. Karl Krawfid says:

    Yankees should really be ashamed of themselves for losing to the Tigers.

  47. Craig says:

    This Is ashame- Bald Vinny isn’t returning. Who does roll call now?

    • Jesse says:

      There may be no more roll call.

      First YS2 is gone, then George Steinbrenner and Bob Sheppard are gone (RIP), Andy Pettitte retired, Geno will retire as will Posada (or at least he won’t be back, which I think most if not all of us agree with that), and now Bald Vinny may be gone?

      My God, things have changed for the worst lately and it sucks!

      • Xstar7 says:

        “There may be no more roll call.”

        Bullshit. There are about 50 other full-time bleacher creatures. One of them will do it.

        And the good that’s happened to the Yankees lately outweighs the bad. Derek Jeter’s 3,000th hit. Mariano Rivera’s 602nd save. A-Rod’s 600th home run. Robinson Cano winning the home run derby. Winning the AL East crown this year when no one thought they would. Watching the Red Sox choke away their postseason berth. And The emergence of Jesus.

    • Jesus Freak says:

      Why isn’t he returning?

  48. Zach says:

    People do realize that even if we had beaten the Tigers,we wouldn’t Ivan Nova for the ALCS or World Series.
    That made our chances of winning it all go down dramatically.

    P.S. It does appear Verlander thought he was getting squeezed. Not surprised considering the nice strike zone he got last week.

  49. Bart says:

    Outside of a trade, perhaps, for Steven Strasburg or Bryce Harper, why trade Montero? Yogi Berra switched from catching to the outfield in the early sixties. Was an aging Berra more athletic than Montero is now? Montero should be playing the outfield for all or part of Venezuelan winter ball.

  50. Jose M. Vazquez.. says:

    I agree with Bart in part. First in the many years I have been a Yankee fan we have never won with a light hitting catcher. You will say, we won with Girardi, yes but he was backed up by Leiritz who was as good a clutch hitter as they come. Sedond, Posada improved his catching under the tutelage of Tony Pena. Even though he had shoulder problems. Heck, good hitting catchers are hard to come by. Being so young I do not see why Montero cannot improve his defense. On another subject; I was watching Carpenter and Halladay dueling the other day with two distinct pitching styles. On the one hand you have Halladay with the classic wind up delivery and Carpenter with the no windup delivery and both were fantastic. The no windup delivery is what AJ needs. It is taylor made for tall guys and easy to repeat the motion time and again. I have suggested this time and again but I guess no one cares what us fans think.

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