That’s all she wrote: Tigers bounce Yanks from ALDS


After 167 games, the season is over for the 2011 Yankees. The Tigers knocked them out of the postseason with a 3-2 win in Game Five tonight, even though the Yankees had a myriad of chances to tie the game or do even more. The full recap will be up eventually, but vent here.


  1. zzzz says:

    the umps might have sucked, but this team did NOT deserve to go to the ALCS. the offense failed, plain and simple.

    • Jon G says:

      Hypothetical – if Arod was hurt and Nunez was at third, do the Yankees take this series?

      I hope you all are ready to enjoy 7 more years of Arod at like $30 mil/year.

      Worst deal ever…

      Tonight 2 k’s in crucial situations, and when he is on base, he doesn’t get a good jump off second and is held at third. He is going to just get creamed this offseason.

      Next year, Joe is going to really have to think about moving him down in the order unless he proves himself worthy of cleanup again

      • Jon G says:

        On the optimistic side, this was never a team I loved.

        They were the most fun to watch when Arod was hurt and Nunez was on a tear (though that didn’t last all season,p of course)

        The pitching was a continuous question mark.

        Next season the transition to the new guard continues with Posada gone and Mariano in his final season (?). A few things I hope for:
        - Jesus is not traded and excels at DH/Catcher, and possibly gets some time at a different position (but where – RF..?)
        - Hughes gets back to form and wins 15+ games
        - One of Banuelos, Betances or the other AAA starters (e.g., Warren) surprises ala Nova this year. Will any of them make the team out of camp or be mid-season call-ups..?
        - Joba returns and excels
        - Who do you think could make an impact from this year’s AAA or even AA teams..?

        I hope the Yanks don’t sign CJ Wilson – meh. No better than a 3… What do they do for pitching? Who else to they sign/trade for?

        We will see….

        • David N says:

          The pitching turned out fine. Tex and Swish need to step it up. A-Rod needs to get healthy again.

          • Tom says:

            Specifically they need to step it up hitting lefty (both have hit well righty). Tex has already said he’s going to focus on this in the offseason so let’s hope he actually does and is not the player who I think had 4 hits to LF all year long in the reg season (as a lefty hitter)

            Sadly I think the short porch has brainwashed both of them… Tex used to spray the ball to all fields left handed (like he does right). Now he just has a massive and loopy uppercut swing (though he did actually hit the ball the other way a couple of times in the playoffs). Rarely do you seen a line drive off Tex’s bat unless it is at the RF’r, down the line or pulled 50 feet foul. Swisher also seems more pull conscious and his swing is at it’s best when he is driving pitches up the middle.

            I think Arod is just a health thing (at least I hope)… though he’s at the age where he’s probably not going to be 100% for sustained periods of time.

            Martin also got very pull happy as the year went on (which lead to a lot of rollover grounders to 3rd and SS).

            Hopefully with Montero getting AB’s next year people might remember the value of hitting to all fields as they watch him spray the ball all over

        • David N says:

          This fucking sucks. That Cano broken-bat flyout was the killer – you knew it wasn’t meant to be after that. That was a home run if the bat doesn’t break.

          That said, I’m strangely not too depressed over it. That may change tomorrow, but somewhere deep in my heart I knew this team wasn’t destined to make it deep into the playoffs. Something about not hitting with RISP and leaving too many runs sitting on 3rd base. And hey, look what happened in this game.

          Big ups to the pitching staff – they were supposed to be the weak link, but they came up real big. They kept us in this one until the very end, and they deserved to move on. Shame that the offense couldn’t keep up.

          Swish, I love you, I think you’re a fun guy who adds a lot to the team, but you’ve got to start hitting in the clutch. Tex, same for you. A-Rod, get healthy – you were trying, but it’s clear you weren’t yourself. Jeter, those strikeouts were killers. Grandy and Cano, you guys performed like the MVP candidates you are – kudos. Martin, I want you back behind the plate next year. Brett, good series – hope that continues into next year.

          And Jorge, I will be very sad to see you go – you proved that even at the end of your career you know how to get it done in October. This team needs more people like you, and the sad thing is that I’m not sure if it’s even possible to get them. If you end up retiring, I wish you all the best, along with a retired number. If you end up playing for another team, no hard feelings, and I know you’ll get a standing ovation when you come back to New York. Thanks for everything.

          Damn, this is really starting to sink in. I may have to amend that “not too depressed” part…. :-(

      • Karl Krawfid says:

        A-Rod saved a lot of runs with his D.

        Timing at the plate killed him.

    • jim says:

      Why didn’t Joe the magnificent put Posada in front of Swisher? Remember the saying ‘go with the hot hand’? Also, didn’t you know in your heart that the last out would be Al ‘the Face’ Rodriguez striking out? Way to run them to death Girardi! Good job Swisher. I know somewhere Joe Collins is smiling. HIP, HIP, JORGE…..Thanks for being a Yankee.

    • Mattydog says:

      Swisher with his usual great postseason performance.

  2. Projectneo says:

    the season is indeed over for the 2001 yankees

  3. Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

    Fire Joe Girardi, fucking terrible team management. Our best hitter down the stretch got zero at-bats with the season on the line.

  4. BJ says:

    Not surprised. They didn’t play like they wanted it, and they didn’t deserve it. Shoddy pitching, overmanagement from the dugout, and poor at-bats. Don’t even want to know how many strikes were sent down the middle of the plate that were simply looked at by Yankee batters.


  5. Good season for the league leading and AL East winning 2011 New York Yankees. Jorge Posada and Gene Monahan will be missed. Jorge is a HOF and future manager, while Monahan has shown true dedication to this team. Best of look to both of them in retirement.

  6. mbonzo says:

    Yankees got hit with shitty calls, bad breaks, and just plain bad luck, but in the end, so did the Tigers, they were the better team tonight. Only thing I don’t want to see, is a reactionary move by the front office to trade the farm. That’d be a bigger blow than the loss tonight.

    • Hummingbird S. says:

      maybe they trade Girardi… but then again who would be stupid enough to take his sorry ass?

      • mbonzo says:

        I don’t love Girardi, but I don’t understand what you could argue with tonight? I didn’t like him using CC, but it wasn’t the stupidest decision, in fact, Girardi probably out-managed Leyland tonight.

        • Hummingbird S. says:

          why was Martin allowed to lose the season when TWO (!!) better bats were left on the bench unused?

          why was Swisher hitting 6th when ALL the numbers show he can’t hit in the postseason? In fact, why was Swisher even playing at all when Jones would’ve been a better option?

          Girardi is a terrible manager, he’s afraid of taking any chances and that’s why we lost

          • Nhat says:

            I agree with Hum, I thought Montero would replace Martin in the 5th, and at least in the 8th when there were baserunners. Jone should pinch hit for Garner there too, we need one more homerun. Why do we bring those big guys but not used?

            • mbonzo says:

              Martin is a more experienced hitter and earned his spot there. As good as Montero could be, one day, he hasn’t proven enough to hit in that situation. Martin has been far from awful. Jones has done nothing but hit lefties this year, who would he have faced? Swisher is a damn good hitter, if you think small sample size means something, you should have been impressed by the 3 homeruns he had off of Benoit.

              • Steve Karsay says:

                +1 STFU hummingbird.

              • Hummingbird S. says:

                yeah, Martin has proven he’s a great hitter… (92 OPS+ this season, just to remind you, heckuva hitter)

                • mbonzo says:

                  Where did I say Martin was a proven great hitter? He’s an above average hitter at catcher who has “been far from awful.” Martin has done way more with his bat than Montero has, and there is no way you pinch hit a 21 year old kid for a hitter like Martin.

                  • Hummingbird S. says:

                    Im sorry but the numbers show that he’s a below average hitter. Being “above average for a catcher” still made him a below average hitter overall and we could have used a hitter that was better than him.

          • Cuso says:

            Because EVERYTHING you lose behind the plate when you take Martin out of the game.

            You don’t put a 21 y/o who caught 2 games in the reguar season behind the plate in do-or-die game.

            Besides the fact that it would’ve been a righty for righty switch.

            You also don’t putthat pressire situation on a 21 year old no matter how talented.

            You’re wrong on this one. Flat wrong. Let it go.

            • Hummingbird S. says:

              Would you argue that Martin is a better hitter than Montero? I dont think you’re that stupid. It’s a do-or-die game like you said, and that’s exactly why you have to make this kind of move.

              At the moment the Yankees were down and needed to score. By following your logic, you think it’s better to save runs than try to score runs. Well, since the team is FUCKING DOWN you NEED to SCORE SOME FUCKING RUNS. And Montero gave this team a better chance of scoring runs than Martin. It’s as simple as that.

              • mbonzo says:

                Martin is a better hitter than Montero. Experience > talent at this point. The kid has a handful of major league at bats, and you want to throw him out there against some of the best pitching in the most important game of the year, in one of the most important at bats. You’re insane if you pull Martin for a guy with 29 MLB PAs.

                • mbonzo says:

                  69 MLB plate appearances*

                • Hummingbird S. says:

                  Montero is the better hitter at this point. Not even Russell Martin would argue against this. ON this argument of experience and talent, I do agree that maybe experience is worth a little more in this particular case, being the postseason with the season on the line and all.

                  That being said, I also dont think that experience somehow closes the huge gap in hitting talent between Martin and Jesus.

          • Jetrer says:

            Jones was horrible vs. RHP this year .172/.303/.406
            as bad as Swish was, Jones was not a better option

        • Sarah says:

          I think Girardi was ok tonight, good Tuesday, and horrible on Sunday.

  7. Hummingbird S. says:

    Joe Girardi has to go.

  8. The Fallen Phoenix says:

    Yankees did outscore the Tigers in the series, for what it’s worth. Just didn’t get timely hitting. Some will chalk that up to randomness/luck, some will chalk that up to lack of clutch hitting.

    It’s upsetting, yeah. And it mostly falls squarely on the offense. But, meh. Overall it was just a really frustrating series. Yankees lost three really, really winnable games.

  9. Paul Avery says:

    1. Fire Girardi. Montero just sat there while Martin struck out in two big spots. He just wasted away on the bench.

    2. Let CC opt out. Our “ace” cost us game 3 and cost us game 5.

    3. Find a way to get out of the ARod contract. He did nothing this series. They have to change up something. Let Swisher go. Where was he this series? Where was Teixera? Granderson? Jeter? Only Cano and Posada showed up.

    • The Fallen Phoenix says:

      And Gardner. And Granderson absolutely showed up. Selective memory for the loss.

      • Paul Avery says:

        Forgot about Gardner. He was one of our only clutch players this series. We paid all that money to these guys to be clutch and it was a guy making peanuts that showed up. Just a joke of a team.

    • Ross says:

      so much unclutch hitting-swisher, texiera, arod-totally unclutch-we need to get some new hitters who perform in october

    • Esteban says:

      Letting CC opt out would be the worst possible thing they could do in the offseason.

    • Jetrer says:

      let CC opt out?? and replace him with who?? CC’s>>>than anybody on the free agent market, and ARod’s not going anywhere.

    • fresco says:

      girardi cant be trusted to be non biased at the catcher position he just likes defensive minded hard nosed guys and will trust them till the end. Numerous mistakes were made by the manager, bad strikezones all series long, non hitting in big spots. Martin looked lost in the at bats this game he absolutely should’ve been pinch hit for. the front office has to take a real look at swisher i love him as a player and a yankee but you cant continue to come up small in the postseason as a role player the way he does. Arod was hurt no matter what everyone thinks its obvious because he clearly couldnt get to the inside pitch. CC needs to be brought back because like it or not without him the yankees are 5 6 7 games out of the playoffs. they need a starter maybe 2 and honestly they need a new manager not because i blame this loss on him but because he consistently makes bad decision and those add up. All in all good season but changes need to be made.

      • Nhat says:

        I wonder Giradi is jelous with some big catchers. He was a defensive catcher, thus he loves Cervelli and Martin too much. I would insert Montero there when we trailed after 5 inns.

        Giradi sucked, I love his bullpen management but he is terrible in bunt and pinch hitters.

    • billysbartender says:

      and who’s our ace next year? CJ Wilson? Who?? Some dude from Japan?? We lose CC and we can forget about next year too.

      And dont worry. only 6 more years of arod… fuck

      fire girardi.. bring in tito

      chat with you all next year :/

    • ItsATarp says:

      So much stupid

    • Evan3457 says:

      There’s no way to get out of A-Rod’s contract. None.

    • Jamie says:

      Right, after they void the A-Rod contract, they can put that money into research for reviving Whitey Ford back to his prime – comic book style!

      Or, to put it another way:
      1. I don’t agree… does Montero has any big league at bats against right handed pitching? ANY?
      2. That’s a bad idea. Replace him with who?
      3. Not going to happen – pretty sure they already tried. Let Swisher go… hm. depends on how much he costs, who is available to replace him… this is worth discussing. Yes, Teixera, Granderson and Jeter did not hit for average this series – you did leave out Gardner in your ‘showed up’ list. Pretty sure he hit over .400 in the series.

  10. Brian Cashman says:

    The Matt Era has begun…

  11. Oh Well says:

    Jorge deserved a better send-off….

  12. TJ says:

    Disappointing, let the talk of free agency begin. Pitching, Pitching, Pitching.

  13. YanksFanInBeantown says:

    Not gonna lie, Terry Francona is looking pretty good to me right now

  14. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Girardi has to go. ARod needs a new body. Teix has to man up and work on his swing. Swish needs to learn how to not choke in high leverage situations.

    And bye Posada, it’s been fun. Your team didn’t want it enough. Also bye Montero because it’s blatantly obvious he’s not wanted.

  15. Rigoleto says:

    It’s too easy to say that teams lose as a 25 man unit. This was
    A-rod and benched Montero.

  16. Dee says:


  17. Kevin G. says:

    So… what do we do now? Wilson? Darvish? Trade? Reyes? Fielder? PUJOLS?!??!?!?!? All of the above???

  18. Kenny says:

    If Girardi didn’t insist on having the fat slob pitch, the game would still be tied 2-2.

    • CUYanks says:

      Who knows. We weren’t winning the WS this year without key outs from CC. It’s not like he went to Ayala or something– he’s our best pitcher.

  19. So A-rod is the obvious goat but Teix, Swisher, Martin, and CC were pretty awful. Why Montero did not get any at bats this game baffled me.

    • Hummingbird S. says:

      Montero did get two ABs in game 4. I bet he looked overwhelmed and that’s why Joe didnt use him in game 5. Either that or he got 2 hits in his 2 AB’s

  20. Matt says:

    Reposting from the other thread:

    Detroit did not deserve to win this series. The home plate umpires completely turned this series around.

    They didn’t perform offensively, but it’s not really their fault. They have battled up there night after night and had runners on base all the time. It’s nearly impossible to hit when 95+ mph fastballs in the other batter’s box are consistently called strikes.
    Look for Detroit to lose the ALCS in 5 games. They are not in Texas’ league, and especially not now that they had to use Fister and Scherzer in this game.

    The Yankees outplayed them night after night, and couldn’t catch a break. Jeter’s ball was out on almost any other night, Teixeira the same. Martin and Granderson both hit balls late in Game 3 that are 10 rows back at Yankee Stadium and would have won them the game. Even in Game 2, it’s hard to envision Scherzer pitching well without that strike zone.

    The problem was not the players, the problem was the manager. In Game 5 of the ALDS, you have to take every chance that you can get to score and come back. Girardi managed it offensively like it was a game in the middle of June. That’s inexcusable. This could have been a very different game if Montero was allowed to hit in the 4th inning.

    • Bryan says:

      Agreed Detroit aren’t in Texas’ league, unless these umps perform the same way they did in this series.

      No way Fister, Scherzer and Porcello pitch like they did with competent umpires.

      Can’t complain about questionable umpiring though since 2009 was full of them that almost always went in our favour.

      Bud Selig has turned MLB into the WWE just like David Stern has with the NBA.

      • Matt says:

        That is not true about 2009. That’s a huge misconception.

        The Mauer call had almost no impact on that game. He eventually singled in the same at bat, and they had the bases loaded with nobody out.

        The call at 3rd base in the Angels series was erased by an equally bad call that Swisher left early from 3rd base tagging up on a fly ball. The latter directly cost the Yankees a run.

        The umpires actually got a bunch of key calls CORRECT that year. The review on A-Rod’s HR could have turned that WS around.

  21. sevrox says:

    Go jump off your bridges – was a seat-of-your-pants-white-knuckle-and-thoroughly-entertaining season.

  22. UncleArgyle says:

    I’m looking forward to seeing if CC can keep a straight face when saying “I deserve more money and more years”

  23. swishers fauxhawk says:

    Shoulda, coulda, woulda, didn’t.


    The only thing I didn’t understand this series was why Montero was glued to the bench.

    • Graig not Craig says:

      Everybody quit it with the Montero stuff. The guy is a rookie. You bat the guy who gotmyou there. Someday Jesus will be that guy. But not yet.

  24. Graig not Craig says:

    Gotta hand it to the Tiger pitching. They shut down a great offense tonight. I expect to see them in the series if they’ll can keep this up.

    All I want for Christmas is a #2 starter and a slugging right fielder.

    Thanks for a great career Jorge.

  25. Bryan says:

    Managers should sometimes be held accountable for bad process, even if the results turn out fine, which this isn’t.

    Taking Phil Hughes out after 1 inning. Pitching your $161m arm on 2 days rest before extras with Wade available. Giving Robertson 1 inning, in case this went to extras. I don’t blame Girardi for leaving Martin in with the bases loaded, but leaving Martin in there for his final at bat. Leaving Swisher in there period when he’s done nothing. Man, relationships and egos be damned its game 5!

    • Foghorn Leghorn says:

      i do not understand why he took hughes out. that made no sense at all.

      • The Big City of Dreams says:

        Hughes was dealing. The look he had was I’ll hold it here guys just score.

        • CUYanks says:

          I kind of agree that bringing in CC was a little forced, but if he brought in Wade and he failed you guys would be crucifying him. The only argument I see is that he could have gotten another inning out of Mo + Robertson.

          • Jamie says:

            Yeah, I thought CC was just going to appear as a second one and reliever in case a lefty came up or something. Maybe Hughes was done – who knows…

  26. Hummingbird S. says:

    whats funny to me is that it was clear that the team had only 4 hitters, and unfortunately they were so far apart that they couldnt really make a difference. Only above-average hitters were hitting 2, 3, 7 and 9. Its impossible to get something going.

  27. I'm dominican. genetically gifted. says:

    Sure Montero is a rookie, but really? REALLY!?
    How can he not get an at bat?
    Not even a pinch hit for Russel Martin?


  28. Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

    Girardi is proud of every one of those guys, that choked. He’s such an emo a-hole. I will literally celebrate on the day his ass is fired.

    • Jorge (needs a new name) says:

      Damn straight he should be proud of his team. Tell your daddy to tell you about the old days of the 80′s when this team didn’t make the playoffs every year, kid.

      • Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

        I’m 33 shithead.

        • John says:

          Reading your comments of the last half hour, I would have guessed you were 12. Just calm down.

        • JC in NC says:

          Dude you are killing me, I’m 33 as well and guess what….we are the most spoiled fan base going, I got to watch the Yankees win championship after championship when I was in college, I got to see one more since then and they are in the playoffs every damn year. I’m pissed that they lost but for the love of god calm the hell down…and while you are at it, get over the idea of Girardi getting fired, there is zero chance that happens.

          • Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

            Don’t tell me to calm the hell down. And there isn’t a zero percent chance of anything. People always think they know how the postseason is gonna unfold and it usually throws us a curveball. So I’ll hope each morning to see a breaking news on ESPN that Girardi was released, and if he’s not when camp breaks next Spring, I’ll be dissapointed, but be ready for more shitty decision making for yet another season. You can like him as much as you like, I simply do not.

      • nycsportzfan says:

        well there was no WILD CARD in the 80′s The yanks didn’t stink by a longshot in the 80′s all though they had some ruff yr’s from late 80s early 90s They’d of made the playoffs in 1983 84 85 and 86 had they had the Wildcard and obviously they did make the WS in 1981 as well Really Horrible!!!!LOL

  29. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    i’m depressed as hell, but I have to say that I thought the yanks this year would have a hard time even making the post season with that rotation.

    I really enjoyed this team…they had everything..great pitching, hitting, depth, bullpen, etc.

    Bats didsn’t show up at the worse possible time…

    hopefully Nova is ok b/c right now our staff is AJ and Hughes. Colon/Garcia and CC are all not under contract

  30. Paul Avery says:

    Girardi managed the game like he had a lead. He didn’t once consider pinch hitting Montero for Martin to give more power at the plate. Did he do this earlier in the series pinch hitting Chavez for Gardner? Of course he did because he’s an idiot and needs to be fired. Leyland managed circles around him and that’s what costs you in a close series.

  31. JCK says:

    I really thought you were gonna get to see your Valverde blown save, Mike. Ah well.

    If Nova hadn’t stiffened up and could have gotten through 4+ without giving up any more runs (he seemed to be settling down in the second), then you have to think CC stays in the pen and this game is 2-2 in the 9th. Then again, those kind of hypotheticals really mean nothing (a butterfly flaps its wings in China and all that).

    Bummed that Montero never got a chance. I thought maybe he’d pinch hit for Martin in the 8th. Rivera isn’t hard to catch, after all.

  32. IB6 UB9 says:

    I would explore other uses for the money after C.C. opts out.

    He and Teixeira got their ring and unfortunately Mark doesn’t have an opt out.

    • Jetrer says:

      and who replaces CC??? They don’t even have a #2 starter now you want to let your #1 walk as well?

    • Bryan says:

      Don’t be serious about CC. Lose him and replace him with who? Darvish? Never thrown a baseball here, his stuff is said to be good, but there’s so many variables with Japanese pitchers. It’ll take Dice K money to land him. CJ Wilson? Got bombed by Tampa, and has given up 16 ER in 29 post season innings.

      I doubt CC gets anything more than an extra year at the same annual average. Who’s gonna bid for him? Maybe Boston with JD Drew and Ortiz expiring, but Theo’s got a short leash after Crawford’s contract. Anaheim’s got no big contracts coming off and they’re going after a bat.

      • Sarah says:

        Texas, Washington both have money and are likely to be interested in CC.

        I want CC back, but I’m scared of a Zito situation.

  33. Jorge (needs a new name) says:

    Bedtime for 12 year-olds really just get pushed back more and more as the years go by.

    It was an ugly game, a forgettable series, but a great season. I am ALWAYS proud of my New York Yankees, and thank them again for making me take for granted what it’s like to have your favorite team make the postseason. I will now go spend way too much time on the hot stove, watch whatever I have DVRed, and count the days until pitchers and catchers report.

    Also, like during any season in which the Yanks don’t win it all, I will now proceed to not give a rat’s ass who wins the World Series. :)

    Thank you again, Yanks, and thanks to Joe, Mike, and Ben for making Yankee fandom even more special.

  34. UncleArgyle says:

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot Nova might have blown out his elbow.

    • JCK says:

      They called it forearm stiffness… why would that be his elbow?

      • UncleArgyle says:

        Tell tale sign of a blown elbow is forearm tightness. Tendons from the elbow to the wrist have torn. Hopefully its nothing, but I’m pretty concerned

        • JCK says:

          Ah, interesting. I didn’t know that. Yeah, well, gotta hope it’s not that. If Nova really did blow out his elbow and has to have Tommy John surgery, I wonder if that would encourage them to try Joba as a starter again when he returns…


      • pat says:

        Forearm tightness is usually a sign of needing TJ. It is almost never innocuous.

        • Tom says:

          I wouldn’t say “usually”.

          It certainly can be a sign of blowing out that ligament, but it also could simply be tightness.

          Given that it was a postseason game, it must have been pretty significant for Nova to mention it to Girardi though…. which makes me more concerned than if this was a game in mid-June.

  35. Gone Phishin; says:

    This is what I feared with Fister on the mound again. He pounds the strike zone, and the Yankees seem to struggle with pitchers like that as they like to work the count and they end up staring at a bunch of good pitches. These types of pitchers give us fits.

    It’s very frustrating to watch 167 games and for this to be the outcome of the season. Thanks Jorge for everything, hopefully you bow out with grace and retire a Yankee.

    • tommydee2000 says:

      Something they never seem to learn is that while walks are important, pitch counts don’t really matter in the post-season because of all the days off. You aren’t going to see any of the crappy relievers in the middle innings of an elimination game, so you need to be ready to hit.

      If the starter throws 100 pitches in 5 innings, it’s not as big of a deal as during the season.

  36. Paul Avery says:

    With his performance this series CC better not say “I deserve an Arod like contract.” You don’t deserve shit. You choked in game 3 and lost us game 5. Let him go and say good riddance.

  37. Ryan says:

    Another year closer to injecting some much needed youth. Montero is gonna get his at bats next year, and we may even see some Killer B’s in an important role before the end of the season.

    Let Arod get healthy, let Tex fix his lefty swing, get Joba back sometime mid season.

    Hughes will be a year removed from his, perhaps, too high of an innings jump year, and Nova will be another year closer to his prime as a good 3 or 4.

    It hurts, but we’ve got a lot to look forward to next year.

    • Hummingbird S. says:

      If Joe G. comes back, Im afraid Montero not only is not gonna get “his Ab’s” but he’s gonna be traded. What a joke of a manager

      • Greg says:

        I think trading him is up to the GM rather than the manager.

      • Sarah says:

        You realize Cashman makes trades, not Girardi, right?

        • Hummingbird S. says:

          and Girardi has no input? right..

          if Girardi goes to Cashman and says he doesnt want Jesus, Cash will be forced to trade him. And this postseason showed us that Girardi doesn’t trust AND doesn’t want Jesus around.

          • Greg says:

            You actually think that. He’s not Tony LaRussa you know.

          • Ryan says:

            If GIrardi goes to Cashman and says he doesn’t want Jesus, Cashman will fire him. Joe is an idiot, but not that dumb. Not using Montero in this series is because of his stupid binder, not because he “doesn’t want Jesus.”

          • Jetrer says:

            Posada won’t be back. Joe may not want Montero at catcher, but I doubt he’d have any problem with Montero at DH (and hopefully occasionally C)

          • Steve Karsay says:

            I cant believe the stuff you think up… I hope you spontaneously combust.

            • Hummingbird S. says:

              yeah, because something like this has never happened… or maybe it did just a few months ago to an insanely talented guy named Rasmus..

  38. Greg says:

    Well the fact that a schmuck like Valverde is happy and that I am not is faltering my belief in God a bit. Of course this is an overeaction, but for a person with such low self confidence as I have, this hurts for right now.

  39. Esteban says:

    1) Only thing I would blame Girardi for tonight is not PH Montero for Martin

    2) Anyone who says the Yankees should let CC opt out is an idiot

    3) The hitters didn’t hit, but this is nearly the same offense that won in 2009. Sometimes shit happens.

    • Greg says:

      Not even close to being the offense that it was in 2009.
      CLutch players like Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui with juice left in thier tanks. Key roleplayers like Jerry Hariston Jr. who could lay down a bunt and knock a run in.

      Damn I want that team back.

      • mbonzo says:

        Yankees had plenty of clutch hitters, but no one came through tonight. Everyone had their moments this year, and yea it wasn’t 2009, but it was one of the best offensive teams of the modern era.

      • CUYanks says:

        That team could have gotten knocked out in the first round too if we played it again. They were close to losing a few of those games. This was an unlucky series, bottom line. When you score 11 more runs that the other team and lose a 5-game series, that’s bad luck.

    • CUYanks says:

      Exactly. Who makes the playoffs determines the best team. Who wins the World Series determines the luckiest team.

      We’ve won 1 in the last 3 years and will contend again next year. We won an AL East in a season where every single expert picked the Red Sox. We lost a series when we scored 11 more runs than the other team. It was a season of baseball. The silver lining is that maybe we’ll have extra incentive to be aggressive in the offseason.

    • well you know says:

      The 2009 offense had one starter with an OPS+ below 118.

      This team had four starters with OPS+ of 87-97 plus Alex, who was well under 100 OPS+ after his return from the DL.

  40. Gonzo says:

    Just hope there is no bad news about Nova’s arm. That would make this worse.

    • fresco says:

      Yeah seriously. Forearm trouble usually spells out elbow ligament problems eventually leading to tommy john. that would be a huge blow.

  41. bonestock94 says:


  42. nord says:

    It is time to revisit that decision that sent Donny to the Dodgers. Bet he’d be willing to come back now and perhaps the Dodgers could hire Girardi.

  43. warren says:

    its a real shame that our pitching held up for an entire 162 game season, without giving away the farm and proving that maybe this kid montero might be good if you ever let him hit…

    and for the season to be lost because the most expensive offence in the history of time decided to just implode

  44. Sarah says:

    I’m not sure how to feel now. First I’m sad, then I’m angry, then I’m sad.

    But I have to think that the off-season involves tough decisions. If CC opts out (pretty tacky move IMO), how big of a contract do they offer him, and for how long? The ARod contract looms large, as does the Zito example. What to do to bolster the rotation?

    Sigh. Well, the good news is I get to watch other tv for the rest of the month.

    • Nuke LaDoosh says:

      No tacky would be opting out in the middle of the W.S.

      • Sarah says:

        True, but I generally think opting out of a contract that already pays you mad money to get more money with the same team you currently play for is all sorts of batshit f*cking crazy and tacky, regardless of who does it.

        I would like to CC be the guy who says “I don’t need to opt-out because I’ve got a great thing going here and I don’t need to be that person.” I don’t expect him to do that, because the market doesn’t work that way, but I’d like to see it.

  45. Paul Avery says:

    I hate it when people say we just got unlucky, shit happens. Bullshit. This team is not good enough to win in the playoffs. We had an ace that didn’t perform in 2 games. We had a leadoff hitter who did nothing, cleanup hitter who did nothing, 5-6 hitters who did nothing, manager who wouldn’t pinch hit for his worst hitter. We didn’t just get unlucky.

  46. BGrider85 says:

    Just anhiliated my A-Rod jersey. That thing was a gift back in the 05 season and I mysteriously couldn’t find it in 09…so I hacked that piece of trash up!

  47. Joe D. says:

    Bunch of goddamn chickenshit posters. Best team in baseball loses a miniscule sample size playoff series to a very good team, with the three Tiger wins being by the skin of their teeth.

    This is not a case of “Yankees suck”…it’s a case of “shit happens when you play only five games.”

    Get a fucking grip.

  48. nord says:

    Time to rethink that choice of managers. Bettcha Donny Boy would like to come back to New York now.

  49. bakekrukow412 says:

    Brian Cashman never wanted to re-sign A-Rod. We all know how that turned out. If CC opts out, LET HIM GO. He is on the wrong side of 30 and has a belly to be the black Santa Claus. Think off all the fun we’ll have with that money….please, juts let him go.

  50. Rich in NJ says:

    When your offense in a game turns on Swisher and Martin, you’re in deep trouble.

  51. Nathan says:

    The three losses were close games but this squad just couldn’t close the gap in those games.

    The difference between this team and the 2009 team? Clutch hitting.

    • Joe D. says:

      “The difference between this team and the 2009 team? Clutch hitting.”

      Translation: “The difference between this team and the 2009 team? A spot of luck.”

      The ball hits Derek Jeter’s bat a fraction of a centimeter closer to the sweet spot, and Nathan’s comment never sees the light of day. Nonsense.

      • CUYanks says:

        Well in fairness, Nathan is right that that is the difference in the results. But as far as an indication of how good the team was, I’m with you.

  52. Graig not Craig says:

    RISP fail is what killed us in this game. Rather than cranking for grand slams, it would have been nice to see more balanced base hit swings. Oh well. The ball wasn’t exactly on a tee. Detroit’s pitchers deserve some credit for the RISP fail as well.

  53. blah says:

    Great offense my ass. Tell me, which team would you consider a “better” offense?

    Team A: Scores 28 runs in total. 12 runs in game 1 (W), 1 in game 2 (L), 9 in game 3(W), 5 in game 4(L), 1 run in game 5 (L) for an overall record of 2-3.

    Team B: Scores 21 runs in total. 5 runs in game 1(W), 4 in game 2(L), 5 in game 3(W), 3 in game 4(L), 4 in game 5(W) for an overall record of 3-2.

    How is team A better? Because they blew their load in games that they dominated? Team B is overall more balanced run production, and combined with the same pitching, team B has the better offense.

    • Jetrer says:

      5 games is way too small a sample size to say who has a better offense

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Yet Montero’s at bat’s against righties can be used in an argument why?

        • Jetrer says:

          I wasn’t using that as anything definitive. And I said I would have PH him for Martin in the 8th. I was just pointing out that PH Jesus wasn’t guaranteed success, and there was some (albeit slight) reason not to use him.

    • Joe D. says:

      According to you, Team B has the better offense based on a five game sample…and one in which they were outscored?

      That’s adorable.

      • blah says:

        I’m sorry you’re impressed by offensive explosions, but being balanced and consistent is more important than pure number of runs scored. I know you fucking saber nerds probably think I’m a heathen, but tough shit.

        • Jetrer says:

          are you saying the Yankees aren’t balanced and consistent? based on a 5 game sample??

          • Jamie says:

            lets ask those folks at the Fox Business News break if they think the Yankees are balanced. Remember,their answer isn’t just business, it’s personal. (BTW, how backwards is that?!? Somebody didn’t see The Godfather…)

  54. Not Trolling says:


  55. JoeyH says:

    Well. It’s been a while since commenting here but wow. It’s really disgusting the amount of pessimism from YANKEE fans makes me sick. While there are games I do sit there wishing AIDS on Girardi, this game was not one. He did a great job. The one knock you can give him is for not moving Jorgey up and maybe Teix down. Still though, he has every reason to stand pat given their “track record.” I think we could all agree Teix is just one of those guys who is a classic bad pitcher pulverizer and not a good pitcher hitter. The guy can be got out with off speed stuff down low. THAT, needs to be fixed. He’s the big failure of this series. How much could we expect our of Alex, the fuckin’ guy barely played in september and for a big chunk of this season. Refrain from the finger pointing, it’s just a few quick things way from being fixed.

  56. Tyrone Sharpton says:

    FUCK THIS FUCK YOU ALL…………..they should have pinch hit Dickerson to sub for A-Rod

  57. Patrick says:

    With Swisher sucking it up, i just didnt undrstand why he was batting 6th. Posada was hitting and Swish was making death metal signs while whiffing. I thought Hughes was solid and wished he could have stayed in longer. Overall, just the fate of a short series and the issue of too much loyalty to the regulars. Wish Joe thought a little outside of the box and brought Jesus in with some ducks on the pond or at least in the 8th. A brutal wy to lose, but it wasnt the pitching that killed us, it was offensive ineptitude in the bigget spots.

  58. nathan says:

    Feels like everytime we get bounced Arod gets the last AB. I think 2009 is still fresh in my memory, so am not as bummed as I was in the 2004-2007 period

  59. mike c says:

    bring back cashman, we need to fix things the Yankee way and throw some insane money at the problem

  60. JoeyH says:

    Also, RAB ought to consider commenter registration. I get it looks good having hundreds of comments on a post but some of these douchebags are really ridiculous.

  61. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    I know I will be shot down for being positive, but this was one of the best “lose in the ALDS years” in a long time. We got to watch Bartolo Colon turn back the clock to 05 and become a legit ace for half a season. We got to see Freddy Garcia outperform all expectations. Ivan Nova emerged as a legit #2 starter. Francisco Cervelli hit a grand slam. CC Sabathia pitched a 1-0 CGSHO. The Yankees pounded 14 runs in 2 innings against the A’s. Just a week later, they scored a franchise record 12 runs in the first inning of a game against the Orioles. Curtis Granderson hit an inside the park home run. The Yankees hit an MLB record 3 Grand Slams in one game. Jesus Montero was called up and scored the winning run against the Red Sox in Fenway park in his first game, the same game that started The Collapse. Just a few days later, he hit his first 2 home runs in the same game. Derek Jeter recorded his 3,000th hit and turned in a 2009 second half. Mariano Rivera became the MLB all time saves leader. Jorge Posada won the division for us and turned in a helluva performance in the playoffs in his final days as a Yankee. Dellin Betances and Andrew Brackman debuted. And, of course, we got to witness the Collapse of the Greatest Team In MLB History.

    And that’s all I got.

    • Greg says:

      No I need positivity right now.

    • Sarah says:

      Overall, a hell of a year.

    • Graig not Craig says:

      Glad to hear from a voice of reason in the morass of whining.

    • Midland TX says:

      I’m with you. Of course it’s disappointing to squander all of that when all the series losses were winnable. But I feel pretty good about the lineup next year. We got previews of Montero at DH/C and Cano batting 3rd. Hughes looked like he was figuring stuff out in the final couple of months. Joba will be back and hopefully stronger after the surgery. And the kids got a taste of how shitty it feels to lose a playoff series they could have won. Everyone should be hungry and more experienced next year.

      What’s up with Boone Logan and AJ suddenly pitching lights-out in the playoffs? Maddening. Makes you wonder if they’re just saving their clutch for high-leverage situations.

  62. William Wallace says:

    Most of the players probably don’t give a shit so I’m beginning to care less as well. We have to go on with more important things in our lives and they can go golf, hang out on their yachts, etc.

    Let’s talk when pitchers and catchers report.

  63. Bob Michaels says:

    Losing to a team like the Tigers is a Disgrace.

  64. Dan says:

    Glad to see our always logical and reserved fan base has taken the loss in stride and is not out on the ledge calling for joe’s head and a rookie with 61 ML ABs to save the season. oh wait…

    As for the CC comments… go watching curling or something b/c clearly you have no idea what baseball is.

    Today’s game felt like those mid-2000 teams where the team just kind of shrugged and walked off the field after a loss.

  65. Paul Avery says:

    The players will still collect their checks and go back to their cushy lives. We should move on as well. High paid guys like Arod and CC won’t sleep any less tonight, they’re still getting paid. CC has probably already opted out and is trying to squeeze every last penny out of Cashman.

  66. goterpsgo says:

    I’m reminded of that Allstate ad where the ref was being chased because he made a terrible call. I can imagine this umpiring crew being chased out of the Bronx because they kept giving the Tigers’ pitchers strikes waaaaaaayyy into the other batter’s box. ALL of these losses were totally winnable, and the offense deserves heaps of blame. But OMG the umpiring was beyond idiotic.

  67. BigBlueAL says:

    This is what sucks about being a Yankee fan now, no matter how you try to justify it this was a disappointing season as every season is when they dont at least make the ALCS when having a payroll over 200 million. I know I shouldnt feel that way but its hard not to.

    I miss being a kid and just being happy whenever Mattingly got a hit or Righetti got a save and losing a playoff series was the furthest thing from my mind lol.

  68. Teixeira should bat 6th. says:


  69. gargoyle says:

    When CC opts out, offer him the 4 years $92 mil he’s got left. If he he gets a better offer or wants to lose games somewhwere else then good luck, it’s been fun.

    It was a hell of a season, a fun ride. Thanks Yanks.

  70. Cuso says:

    Everyone needs to stop blaming Girardi.

    He managed the game fine, as well as the series for that matter.

    If you need to point fingers, you can start & finish by looking at the 4, 5, 6 hitters.

    For a team that relies solely on offense, you cut the heart out of the middle of the batting order, what do you have?

    You have 4 singles hitters and Granderson & Cano.

    The bullpen pitched AWESOME all series long.

    Garcia gave you what he could. Burnett came up huge. Nova was a good story. Even Hughes contributed well.

    Our “horse” wasn’t all that spectacular this series.

    If I told you before the series that CC would be average at best in both his appearances and you’d get absolutel nothing from A-Rod (except great D), Tex and Swisher you’d think we’d be swept.

  71. Kevin G. says:

    You can;t let Don Fucking Kelly beat you. Plain and simple.

  72. dontchaknow says:

    make a top ten Jorge moments.. that’s all I’m going to leave this place with. later

  73. Paul Avery says:

    I would put Hughes back in the pen. He hasn’t been good as a starter. Faded last year and cost us the ALCS and had a dead arm this year. Looked good in the pen. If you keep CC then you fill in the rotation around CC, Nova, Burnett.

  74. FIPster Doofus says:

    Shit happens. Move on.

  75. mustang says:

    I really didn’t think they were going to lose this series, but in the end all the flaws that were there all season show up.

    So much for the AL EAST.

  76. 45 year yankeesfan says:

    joe girardi overmanages, this team wins in spite of him….baseball is a simple game, northwestern engineering degree holders may not be the best at this….. charlie manuel probably didn’t finish fucking high school……..where was jesus montero for russell martins last two at bat’s??????? why did hughes pitch so little……..this tema stikes out way too much, as they did all year…….. anyway thanks to all for some really funny stuff all year long………. anyone but the texas rangers or the phillies

    • Evan3457 says:

      And yet, Charlie has the same number of rings as Joe, and the division his team plays in isn’t as tough, and he had three aces last year and didn’t get to the Series, and he has 4 aces this year and is life and death with a weaker Cards team.

      Go figure.

  77. Ppiddy says:

    ARod looked H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E at the plate. That was a waste at cleanup

  78. nathan says:

    TBS (ALCS) and FOX r gonna hv some killer ratings now :-)

  79. Jesse says:

    Just wanna say this: Farewell to Jorge Posada and Gene Monahan. They will be greatly missed.

    Right now I am extremely pissed about this team, but who isn’t? A-Rod, Teixeira, and Nick Swisher get the vast majority, if not all, of the blame for this. This just fucking sucks.

  80. mike c says:

    well at least we will have a good hot stove this year… And the Phillies could lose tomorrow

  81. Bryan says:

    Swisher’s gotta go, that guy’s still got value as a regular season bat, but he’s got too many holes in his swing to be a dependable post season hitter in the middle of our order.

  82. fresco says:

    This idea that Detroit is going to get killed by Texas is def season ending backlash. Detroit has a great chance to beat Texas. Verlander will shut down that lineup and Texas has a ton of lefty pitchers and that is not a good thing with miggy, vic, and delmon in the middle of that lineup. Tigers in 6 to go on and lose to philly in the WS.

    • JCK says:

      I’d rather see Detroit in the World Series than Texas.

      Other than Valverde, I don’t really dislike anyone on Detroit. Texas, though, last year really made me hate them and their stupid claw waving fans.

      (though I went to ALCS game #2 last year and the Texas family sitting next to me was perfectly pleasant… still, Elvis Andruws sucks)

  83. Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

    So now, 4-0 against the Twins in LDS series, 0-5 against everybody else in the last 5 years? My 2012 motto, LET’S GO TWINS!!!!!!!!!!

  84. SevenAces says:

    Hey Joe G…What the fuck was the bench doing? Where the fuck was the bench!? Were they sucked up by a black hole?! In desperate situations, you try desperate things and see if anything works. You don’t keep doing the same shit over and over again until it is over.

    Yeah, I know you have to hit to win. But shit, the whole stinking AB is different with the way the UMPs are calling the zone. I seriously want to take some rips at the UMPs of this series with an aluminum bat.

    I left a lot out, too lazy to put it all.

    • Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

      The thing that kills me about this is he DID do desperate shit out of the bullpen the whole game, but god forbid he pinch-hit for Martin! It’s as if Martin’s defensive catching was going to actually take runs back off the board for the Tigers.

  85. mbonzo says:

    2012 Yankees
    1. Derek Jeter (R )
    2. Curtis Granderson (L)
    3. Robinson Cano (L)
    4. Mark Teixeira (S)
    5. Alex Rodriguez (R )
    6. Jesus Montero (R )
    7. Nick Swisher (S)
    8. Russell Martin (R )
    9. Brett Gardner (L)

    C- Francisco Cervelli
    Util- Eduardo Nunez
    3B/1B- Eric Chavez
    OF- Chris Dickerson

    1. CC Sabathia
    2. Roy Oswalt
    3. Ivan Nova
    4. Phil Hughes
    5. AJ Burnett

    LHRP- Luis Ayala
    LHRP- Pedro Feliciano
    RHRP- Cory Wade
    RHRP- Joba Chamberlain
    SU- Rafael Soriano
    SU- David Robertson
    CL- Mariano Rivera

    Resign Eric Chavez, sign Roy Oswalt to a short-term contract, hope that Feliciano comes back.

    • Graig not Craig says:

      Why is Jeter leading off. Forget that.

    • YankeeJosh says:

      I’d much rather have Noesi in the rotation or bullpen over Ayala.

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      Resign Colon, put him in the pen over Ayala.

    • Sarah says:

      You forget Ayala is a RHP.

      And Joba really shouldn’t be back for 2012 until the second half.

      I dunno how I feel about Oswalt. He’s injury prone…

    • Jetrer says:

      Feliciano won’t likely pitch next year, he just had shoulder surgery, not sure Oswalt would want to come to NY, and need a power bat on the bench, Jones if they could resign him, or somebody similar

    • Jesse says:

      Jeter won’t leadoff. Gardner will. The bench will look different than that, I can almost guarantee that. I’d like to have Oswalt, but wouldn’t mind Edwin Jackson (He’s a FA after this season, no?) Lose Ayala, and Feliciano will be out all season.

      • Sarah says:

        I feel like EJax is sort of like AJ.

        I continue to wish there was a way to swing a trade for Cole Hamels, but there probably isn’t…

        Maybe the Giants won’t resign both Affedlt and Lopez. Either one of those guys would be an excellent addition to the pen.

        • Jesse says:

          Jackson may be like Burnett, but Jackson had a very good walk rate this season 2.8BB/9, but gives up WAY too many hits for my liking. We’ll just have to wait for Hamels though. Affeldt would be nice, hopefully if the Yankees sign him he won’t be another $4 Million lefty who doesn’t throw a single pitch. The Yankees have too many of those already.

          • Sarah says:

            I think the Giants have said Affeldt is a must sign for them, but I like Javy Lopez for a true LOOGY.

            Are we missing any under the radar starters? Do such things even exist? Heh.

  86. Hicks says:

    Game over, man!


  87. Greg says:

    THe bottom line is that we weren’t the best team all year. I want to win if we are the dominant team in baseball. In 2009 we were that team, this year we weren’t, the Phillies are.

    • Jeff Karstens, Male Model says:

      So, you didn’t want us to win and you do want the Phillies to win? That’s kind of front-runner mentality, only wanting the single best team to win.

      • Greg says:

        I didnt say that. I said I thought the Phillies would win, and that would be ok because they earned it. I didn’t think we would win the WS, but I would be happy if we did.

        want and think are two different words.

        Also, dont all Yankees fans have front runner mentalities?

  88. Graig not Craig says:

    Good night fellas. I look forward to hot stove discussions once the playoff trolls return to watching Teen Nick. Tomorrow morning the alarm will go off, it will be time to return to work, and it won’t matter one bit in the long run whether the Yankees won the World Series or lost by a run in game five of the ALDS. After all, what do we truly have invested in all of this other than emotion and pride?

  89. You Know, Suzyn... says:

    Enough with the Goddamn mancrushes. Swisher has never produced once in a big spot. He’s absolute dead fucking weight – hit the road, Jack, and take Russell Martin with you.

  90. BigTimeBartolo says:

    Man this was a frustrating loss. A-rod was just brutal at the plate, with those 2 K’s. Just fucking awful

    That being said I blame three yankees for this: Girardi, for overall just being a complete fucktard, Arod and ‘Miro…Fucking ‘Miro!

  91. ItsATarp says:

    Since 2004:
    2010: .219 avg .316 OBP .597 OPS
    2009: .365 avg .500 OBP 1.300+ OPS
    2007: .267 avg .353 OBP .800+ OPS
    2006: .071 avg .133 OBP .205 OPS
    2005: .133 avg .435 OBP .635 OPS
    2004: .320 avg .414 OBP 1.014 OPS

    2010: .250 .286 OBP .661 OPS
    2009: .344 .432 OBP .995 OPS
    2007: .176 avg 176 OBP .353 OPS
    2006: .500 avg .529 OBP 1.467 OPS
    2005: .333 avg .348 OBP .967 OPS
    2004: .245 avg .339 OBP .686 OPS

    Notice how neither man is consistent in the post season and have put up rather similar performances in small sample sizes. Except these guys have two different narratives with the yankees.

  92. dc1874 says:

    I dont want to hear about all great hitters (mays mantle..etc) have some bad post season stats! They were playing in World Series..the best vs the best..not a 2 bit division series ..Arod and Tex your the big boys..gettin the big bucks..cant choke like this!!!

  93. StanfordBen says:

    David Wells just mentioned Banuelos during the postgame. That’s pretty cool.

  94. fire levine says:

    Watching Jorge’s face…

  95. bakekrukow412 says:

    Not to start this debate up again, but I really belive it would be in our bets interests to have Joba rehab as a starter. If he somehow figures it out, a Hughes-Joba-Nova front 3 would look pretty damn good. And we wouldn’t need CC. I have a bad feeling about resigning him to Arod money.

  96. BGrider85 says:

    MVP of the series…home plate umpires

  97. tom says:

    My thoughts, as meaningful/meaningless as anyone else’s:

    By the Pythagrorean theory, the Yankees won 3.5 games in the series. So in one sense, the post-season was like the regular one, the Yanks underperforming their run differential.

    It’s amazing to me that a site so devoted to Sabremetrics can attract so many posters who throw around words like “clutch” the same as the scouts in Moneyball. Suppose Jeter’s 8th inning ball had traveled a few more feet. Would they have made him so much more clutch (and Benoit so much less)? That was literally a series-turning couple of feet. I’d say when a series is that friggin’ close, it’s ridiculous to ascribe character or the lack thereof as the primary reason for the loss.

    Anyone who thinks CC should be let go is too stupid to live. CC is still the only proven prime pitcher on the staff (though Nova made strides toward getting there eventually, maybe even soon). Most numbers make CC the league’s second best pitcher, despite a run of weakish starts after the rain-aborted would-be perfect game. But because he had one bad night — in a game when the umpire’s strike zone seemed virtual kryptonite to his skills — people are ready to get rid of him?

    I also don’t get “They lost so Girardi has to go”. The guy’s two years from a World Championship. The players seem to like him alot. He’s won the division or come breaktakingly close three years running. Calls to fire him are juvenile — the kind of idiocy we used to go through in the 70s and 80s when Steinbrenner’s id was raging. Stability is good for an organization.

    Montero is a frickin’ rookie with very few major league at bats. The idea that Joe should have used him over the guy who played the position (and contributed) all year is ridiculous. Some of you need to step out of your “I read minor league stats like they’re revealed word” reality and accept that almost no major league manager would have gone with such an unproven commodity. (If Montero’s bench-banished next year, THEN you’ll have an argunment)

    There’ll be some changes in the winter but, good Christ, I think some of you would strip the team bare out of pure pique. We’re all disappointed; it was a cruel deciding game in a frustrating series, where (I agree with Matt) the Yankees got considerably more than their share of ill luck. I’m having quite the rough time in my personal life (wife in the hospital for the last month), and this was alot more angst than I needed right now. But I still feel like I’m more rational than half of what I’m reading here tonight. And I recognize that a team that won 97 games (and could have won 100 if they’d tried the final week) oughtn’t to be cut up for spare parts just because of a few unlucky October nights.

    • You Know, Suzyn... says:

      Stop making sense.

    • Jetrer says:

      well said

      • Tyler says:

        Everything I wanted to say but too lazy to write…for a site that speaks of small sample sizes and sabermetrics non stop it sure turns into angry 13 yr olds really quick when things don’t go right. They won a division with 3 of the best 8-9 teams in baseball with a make shift pitching staff and didn’t get a big hit all night…it happens…it’s a 5 game series.

    • J says:

      So true. Talk about Jeter’s ball not leaving the yard, what if A-rod’s homer against Fuentes hits off the top of the wall? That was only a few feet and maybe the yanks don’t make it to the series in 2009. What if A-rods dinger against Hamels is a double? My point is that, yea it’s baseball, it’s a game of inches and sometimes the pieces don’t fall into place. This was still a good team though, they just lost. Good teams lose too.

    • mustang says:

      Well said you are more rational then most people here. Best wishes to your wife.

      Thank you.

    • Chen Meng Wang says:

      AHHH!!!!!!!!!! LOGIC NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT BURNS MY EYES!!!! how can you possibly think logically after a loss of such magnitude?!

      EVERYBODY MUST GO!!!! Girardi must be fired!! Let A-Rod go! Dump Teix!! Let CC walk!!! Swish SUX!!!! I’m Not going to provide any valid replacements for any of these guys but I refuse to watch another game until all of this happens!!!

    • Thenamestsam says:

      Great post. I was going to write something but you said everything I would have. Great season by the yanks, overcoming almost everyone’s expectations. They couldn’t get the big hit last night, but that’s no more of a character flaw than it was every time it happened in the regular season.
      They won the most games in the American league and then played a good series against a good team and lost by about as narrow a margin as possible — two blowout wins and three narrow losses. If that makes you want to bring in a whole new team than I hope the powers that be have a clearer head than you. Everyone around here is all sample size this, sample size that and then 3 losses in 5 games and they’re ready to burn down the stadium.

  98. Josh says:

    Did the Yanks lose break Twitter?

  99. Yo! I'm Chris says:

    Please no more Swisher.

  100. Salty Buggah says:

    Fuck umpires. Fuck the rain. Fuck lady luck.

    Oh, and fuck unfortunately bad play in a short series.

  101. 45 year yankeesfan says:

    DO NOT ………DO NOT………….DO NOT………..DO NOT…………. TRADE JESUS MONTERO……………………

  102. Heisenberg says:

    Hey, don’t forget to wear your Yankees hats tommorrow (today). If you’d wear them in victory, you need to wear them in defeat as well.

  103. J says:

    Dang. What’s with the negativity people? We lost a short series to a good team. There were plenty of stretches during the season where the Yanks played worse than the last 5 games, and plenty of times where they played better. I’m sure the same is for the Tigers as well. The playoffs are just a ‘crap shoot, who’s-hot-who’s-not right now’ deal and we all know it.

    I will say this though: Tex has been exploited for the holes in his swing the past few years, and could use some patchwork with K-long. The playoffs are all about dialing in against great pitching and right now he just can’t cope facing guys with good offspeed stuff, which you will definitely run into during the postseason.

  104. Mike R. says:

    Wow, it’s going to be a big jump from high Yankee expectations to low Islanders expectations. But I’ve had enough of baseball, at least until January when we all countdown to start of ST and realize that ST is underhwelming.

  105. Josh says:

    its simple the yankees need a new manager and honestly not one part of me would be upset if cashman left. yankees need a manager who has NO ties whats so ever with this team. We need a manager like Maddon/Leyland who like to switch things up when shit isn’t right. the problem with joe girardi he is just too much of a pussy. its plain and simple. he kisses the veterans asses way too much and it gets to a point where sometimes change is good. i think joe could be a great manager somewhere in the national league. but yankees need a coach with no yankee ties. and i know its not going to happen joe is def. back next year but something needs to change. also we are getting old pretty fast and its time to put alot of youth in this team. and a team with 200 million dollar payroll should no way in gods green earth be having freddy garcia and bartolo colon in their situation. i understand they did good for us but really we got lucky and no way they can do that again. i rather just go young and see what they can do

  106. You Know, Suzyn... says:

    How genius does Leyland look now? He has Verlander in line for game 1, and he sent a mssg to his pitching staff that he has faith in them when the season is on the line.

  107. The Big City of Dreams says:

    Jorge got emotional that was sad to see.

  108. ED says:

    I’m sad.

    That is all.

  109. Jon says:

    Ok, so after reading all of these posts I think there is some truth in a lot of what people are saying. For starters, anything can happen in a short series in the playoffs. It’s why I really think all the series should be best of seven.

    We could all be celebrating if Jeter’s warning track fly ball goes about a foot farther in the 9th inning. This really is a game of inches.

    That said, the Yankees were outplayed and outmanaged in this series if we are being honest. And, if not for the weather, Verlander would have pitched twice and it could have been lights out tonight. And this was live by the sword, die by the sword kind of series. Yankees are a power hitting team with a lot of guys who strike out a lot. Unfortunately we didn’t hit for power but we still struck out a lot. But let’s give credit to the Tigers pitching staff. I worried all season long about the playoffs because the Yankees pound average to below average pitching. When facing good pitching it becomes about the little things. And that is where they faltered in my mind. We’ll never know what would have happened if Jeter hits it out in the eighth. But that’s baseball, and it just wasn’t meant to be this year.

    • Tyler says:

      The struck out at roughly a league avg this year and had the most walks in baseball so it’s not like they are just a free swinging all or nothing team…they are built around getting guys on and having big innings…it didn’t happen tonight, bad timing.

    • J says:

      If there is an issue with the team you sort of touched on it: The Yankee advantage is that they absolutely cream average type pitching, but you hardly see that in the postseason. They are sort of neutralized to a degree and it comes down to timely hitting, which is much more sporadic than clubbing out 4 homers in a game. So while they look so dominant during the regular season, its a whole different offense we are watching once the bright lights turn on.

    • CUYanks says:

      Explain how we were outmanaged. The Tigers manager put players with terrible OBP early in the order, and had probably one of his top 3 hitters hitting near the bottom. He has them trying to bunt all the time, including giving away outs to a wild AJ Burnett in the first inning, and even with two strikes today. He refused to even consider using his best pitcher in a must win situation or on short rest. He brought in Coke to turn around hitters who were much better right handed. Etc, etc, etc.

      • Jon says:

        I’ll give you some examples.

        -Having Garcia pitch to M. Cabrera in game three which was costly.

        -Leaving CC in too long in game 2, when it was obvious he was on fumes. He should not have come out for the sixth inning.

        -Leaving some valuable power bats on the pine all series long – i.e Montero and Andruw Jones. Martin was over matched tonight at the plate and he should have been pinch hit for late in the game.

        -Leaving Swisher in the 6 hole was a mistake. Posada earned the right to be moved up in the order and Swisher clearly struggled throughout the series.

        I’m sure I’m leaving things out but this comes to mind. In a nutshell Girardi managed safe and lacked creativity. Look, I understand hindsight is 20-20, but those above examples didn’t work out. He managed the same way he did all season and this line-up was so talented it didn’t take much tinkering to have the wins add up. But in a short series, you’ve got to think a little outside the box at time, and Girardi didn’t do that. I give him credit for how he handled the pitching staff for the most part, but his handling of CC this series just didn’t work out.

        • CUYanks says:

          I agree that CC was left in too long in game 3. As far as power bats, Jones has hit lefties all year, but is pretty terrible against righties. Unfortunately there were only a few options to face a lefty, one of which Montero hit. I do agree that Montero could have had a better at bat than Martin, though I did see the logic in leaving Martin in until then, because he still does have pretty good power and is a far superior defensive catcher. It was hard to imagine the Yankees wouldn’t at least tie it with the chances they had throughout the early innings. As for Swisher, the 6 hole is already pretty low in the lineup, and I suppose he could have been dropped lower in the lineup, but the difference would have been minimal to none, with a possible worse negative effect of disrupting the clubhouse.

        • Cuso says:

          It not that he managed CC poorly.

          It’s that CC PITCHED poorly

  110. Mike R. says:

    A manager is only as talented as his players. Replacing Girardi with Joe-schmo is not going to make any difference at all in the standings so why make change for the sake of change?

  111. Robert says:

    Tex needs to pick up his avg.He went from hitting .300 to hitting .240.

    • ItsATarp says:

      he needs to pick up his OBP. If he OBP was anywhere close to .370, i could care less if he hits .240ish and pop 40 hrs. But his OBP has dropped as his AVG went to shit.

  112. CUYanks says:

    I actually think this game by Girardi was the best managed game by any manager in the postseason. I liked how Kirk Gibson managed game 4 as well, though I think generally he’s a pretty bad manager.

  113. Matt says:

    ugh swish is a ghost in the post season.

  114. The Dude says:

    The thing that’s going to bug me all winter is: why the hell did he keep batting Swisher 6th???

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 124 times, shame on me.

    Nick Swisher: 124 Postseason AB’s, 21 hits. There are guys in the stands who could do better than that. Hell, I could do better than that.

  115. Tipsie says:

    This was a game not to believe. One single, and we advance:

    Martin in the 4th
    Gardner in the 4th
    Arod in the 7th
    Tex in the 7th
    Swish in the 7th

    One single. Never came.

  116. David N says:

    This fucking sucks. That Cano broken-bat flyout was the killer – you knew it wasn’t meant to be after that. That was a home run if the bat doesn’t break.

    That said, I’m strangely not too depressed over it. That may change tomorrow, but somewhere deep in my heart I knew this team wasn’t destined to make it deep into the playoffs. Something about not hitting with RISP and leaving too many runs sitting on 3rd base. And hey, look what happened in this game.

    Big ups to the pitching staff – they were supposed to be the weak link, but they came up real big. They kept us in this one until the very end, and they deserved to move on. Shame that the offense couldn’t keep up.

    Swish, I love you, I think you’re a fun guy who adds a lot to the team, but you’ve got to start hitting in the clutch. Tex, same for you. A-Rod, get healthy – you were trying, but it’s clear you weren’t yourself. Jeter, those strikeouts were killers. Grandy and Cano, you guys performed like the MVP candidates you are – kudos. Martin, I want you back behind the plate next year. Brett, good series – hope that continues into next year.

    And Jorge, I will be very sad to see you go – you proved that even at the end of your career you know how to get it done in October. This team needs more people like you, and the sad thing is that I’m not sure if it’s even possible to get them. If you end up retiring, I wish you all the best, along with a retired number. If you end up playing for another team, no hard feelings, and I know you’ll get a standing ovation when you come back to New York. Thanks for everything.

    Damn, this is really starting to sink in. I may have to amend that “not too depressed” part…. :-(

  117. Nhat says:

    Why didnt Girad move up Posada to the 2 spot?



    Montero had to play after trailed

    Girad is excellent in distribution of workload in regular season, but he sucks in playoffs. He ignored stats (Chavez replace Gardner) and no pinch hitters to tie the game with a big bat.

  118. Tyler says:

    To try and keep this in perspective tonight I think they are really set up pretty well going into the off-season. The biggest two needs they have are at DH and SP. They have the luxury of Montero being ready to step into one roll and the fall back of Banuelos if nothing in the market opens up on the terms they find suitable. 97 win team in the toughest division in baseball…I really enjoy this regular season more than most just appreciating the grind it takes to win in that division this year. It’ sad it ended this way but the reality is that even the best teams in this short series format only have a slight edge so you have to take it for what it is…a crap shoot.

  119. Karl Krawfid says:

    A-Rod admits he wasn’t healthy.

    Why was he batting cleanup?

  120. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Random thought I just had, it’s never going to happen but:

    If this is A-Rod now(it’s probably not but just say it is) He obviously cannot hit forth. Fielder and Pujols are both going to be free agents this year why not sign one of them to DH and clean up, then trade Montero(don’t kill me) for a number 2 starter(Cole Hammels is a free agent next year anyway, maybe Philly doesn’t want to bring him back and looks to get some value for him.) Hooray for crazy offseason trad/sign ideas :)

    • Jetrer says:

      don’t think an NL team will take Montero as centerpiece of a blockbuster trade, given that he may only be able to DH (and the Phillies have Howard at first) It would be tough to bring in a full-time DH on a long contract too, since Arod still has 6 years left, and will likely need more and more time at DH going forward.

      • Sarah says:

        The one thing the Phillies really need is youth. So maybe a package that doesn’t include Montero but includes some of the other kids (Laird, maybe? He was doing a damn fine Tex impression with the glove that last week of the season) might be attractive. It’s unlikely that the Phillies trade Hamels anyways, as much as I’d like to see it happen.

      • Chen Meng Wang says:

        I agree on all your points, I just typed this right after the thought popped into my head. However I really don’t see any pitchers worth Montero’s potential that would be available in the NL. I really think we need another starter though, especially with Garcia and Colon possibly departing. Yu Darvish? Unknown quantity. C.J Wilson? makes John Lackey look under rated. I don’t think Man-Ban or Betances is going to be ready till mid season at the earliest, so where do we go from here?

        • Jetrer says:

          yeah, they still need a #2, but Darvish and CJ are big ???. not sure if they would be worth it. And I’m not sure of any high caliber starters who would likely be available to trade for (especially not giving up Montero). They might have to just patch the rotation together again next year, and then maybe go after Hamels the next year.

    • ItsATarp says:

      Arod should be fine if he’s healthy. He was actually the BEST, i mean it by the a long shot, the BEST 3rd basemen this year in the first half with his defense and offense. Sad that injuries completely derailed his season and postseason.

      • Chen Meng Wang says:

        He’s been injury prone for the past two years though. Honestly to expect 150 games next season I think is just silly.

        • Bill says:

          I think the Yankees should look to acquire a new “utility man”. Nunez plays awful and boneheaded defense, but he might have some value in a trade for another area of need. I think Cash should look to trade him.

  121. stuart a says:

    swisher 0 for is last 31 in the playoffs with RISP.

    adios NICKY. ADIOS..

    tex is just as bad.

    BA with RISP the same problem they had all year. they loss a ton of 1 run games during the regular, oh my god they did it in the playoffs what a shock………..

    tex and swisher are jokes…………martin cannot hit. arod, give me a break…….

  122. duzzi23 says:

    We have to be the only team in baseball history that has a 351 hitter on the bench who is a future star on the team and who batted 1000 with an rbi granted small sample size but still Montero was producing big and getting clutch hits when he played. His catching couldn’t be so bad behind the plate that he couldn’t of started a game or two. Girardi was terrible in this series he needs to go. We got a gift stud start from AJ of all people and CC let us down talk about irony. We looked old and disinterested tonight while the Tigers were intense and played to win from the first inning. Saying this loss was a disappointing outcome is an understatement. How about Dave Dombrowskis deadline moves? Fister and Delmon Young were huge in the series. And cashman’s deadline moves? oh wait no one. Can’t believe we have no Yankee baseball till March due to Doug Fister.

  123. Illiterate douche says:

    Sheesh, the trolls just crawl out of the woodwork after a big loss. Is this a disappointing end to the season? Yeah. But you have to admit, before the season started, with a patchwork rotation and a seemingly dominant Red Sox team that had just built itself up, no one really expected the team to do so well with what it had.

    Colon and Garcia managed to surprise us for a fair chunk of the season. Nova, potentially devastating injury notwithstanding, was a pleasant surprise. Jeter managed to turn his season around after coming back from an injury. Gardner continued to show the league that he’s a solid starting outfielder. Grandy was insanely good. Jesus came up and proved that he deserves a spot on the roster starting next season. And Mo was Mo.

    The playoffs are a crapshoot. Not only can anything happen in baseball, but small sample sizes such as best of five division series can lead to some skewed measures and memorable numbers.

    Is it disappointing that the Yankees are already out of it? Definitely. But you know what, I’m glad we got this far, and the fact that the “greatest team since the ’27 Yankees” fell flat on its face takes away from the pain somewhat.

    Do I have my doubts about having Girardi continue his role as manager? Yeah. The guy makes a ton of boneheaded decisions. To be fair however, he also makes a lot of good ones, although it’s hard for me to think of any after the loss.

    I think that Cashman did a pretty good job this year, and wouldn’t mind in the least if he’s back on board for 2012 and beyond.

    All we can do now is plan for next year. And one of the first things on the agenda is pitching. We need CC back. I don’t care what the trolls are saying, the guy was a rock in a shaky rotation. Then we have to consider Darvish and Wilson. Both have their fair share of question marks, though the potential of either in pinstripes is intriguing.

    Kevin Long should take a look at what Tex is doing and see if he can make a turnaround. A-Rod’s contract is what it is, for better or worse. I pray that Jeter continues what he was doing after he came back (I don’t believe in narratives, but did he start doing poorly while dating Minka Kelly?).

    But regardless, relax. It was a fun season while it lasted. And as they say, there’s always next year.

    • your mom says:

      Nice post illiterate douche. I agre wiht you 10O pecrent! Kevin Long dserves a raize iff he kan figur Tex out. U schould rite like me.

  124. Karl Krawfid says:

    Igawa era is over!

    Man this is a shitty night.

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  126. ADam says:

    Tex needs a big adjustment.. hes not that good… Sure… maybe he’s J.T Snow w his glove… but hes basically Carlos Pena at the plate..Yikes…

    AROD Sucks too.. a quarter of our Payroll is Useless when it counts….

  127. tabbert says:

    Fact is, the yankees have had worst results the last two years. After winning the world series, they get knocked out of the ALCS, now this year they have been knocked out in the ALDS. This is not just bad luck…. its a sign of a team that is 2 years removed from a title that is no longer built to win it all. Don’t be too down on this team… but don’t act like things don’t need to be addressed. The rays are very young and talented, the jays are making strides, and don’t get things twisted… the red sox still have a team that can win it all if they get their shit together. So, to just sit here and act like everything will be better next year and luck with be on our side is pretty silly. Can we trust tex to ever hit for average again? can we ever expect 115+ games from arod again?, Will swish turn it around? will another makeshift rotation work? can we trust all of our young guns to propel us to the next level? Seems like a lot of unknowns for a organization with the mentality of Championship for bust. If you think the yanks are going to make a splash this offseason, your crazy.

    • CUYanks says:

      It’s difficult to not do worse than winning the previous year. It’s also pretty difficult to not do worse than making the ALCS the previous year. The fact is, they actually won more games this year than last in the regular season, the best indicator of how good a team is. We, like every team, have our issues at the end of the year. Surprisingly, the key flaw of the team would seem to be starting pitching, ironically it wasn’t the thing that cost us in the playoffs or the regular season.

      We just happened to score our runs in the wrong innings and games. This series was a run differential fluke approaching 1960 World Series proportions.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Your logic: The Yankees, who have gone to the playoffs twice in a row since winning the World Series, are no longer built to win a championship. Yet the Red Sox, who have missed the playoffs two straight years, can win it if they “get their shit together.”


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  130. Karl Krawfid says:

    Sad part is, Cervelli would have been a better factor behind the plate than Martin.

  131. Bill says:

    I think Teixeira will be better next year. A hitter with his pedigree has to make changes when he has a season like he did this year. People will point to his home runs and RBI, but his batting average and on base percentage were career lows. A well rounded offensive player with a beautiful swing turned into an all or nothing guy with an ugly, looping, uppercut swing. Kevin Long will undoubtedly do work with Teixeira this offseason. If he closes his stance a little, drops his hands, and levels his swing, he should have similar numbers to his 09 season. And he’s a premier defender. I have hope in him next season. A-Rod on the other hand is a huge concern. He’s definitely in his decline. Many people, including myself, thought A-Rod was going to have a great year based on how he looked coming out of spring training and in the early part of the season. The injuries limited him to 99 (!!) games this year. It’s kind of alarming that he looked so well in the beginning and was injured so abruptly and extensively that he had his worst production of any season. If you look at the hip surgery he had, it was a more serious procedure than most people think. They really operated deep in his hip. If you look at the two recent players who had the same surgery, one (Mike Lowell) had to retire and the other (Chase Utley) is a shell of his former self. You would think that A-Rod’s decline will continue into next year, barring some type of new procedure similar to Bartolo Colon’s or the use of HGH. So my expectations of A-Rod are actually pretty low. Let’s hope that Jesus Montero can have a breakout season and help offset this.

  132. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Yeah this team always felt like one of those mid decade teams, one good starter and four shaky ones. I’m mainly concerned about the team of the next few years. A-Rod’s about cooked the rest of the rotation’s kinda shaky. I don’t think Nova will be this good again, so I guess…bring on Yu Darvish. Japanese Imports haven’t had the best track record, but hopefully Darvish will be different and live up to the hype. Ugh.

    This series is on the 4-6 hitters and CC.

    • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

      one good starter and four shaky ones.

      You do realize that the Yankees had one of the best pitching staffs in the AL this year, right?

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Ehhh…a lot of that was pretty questionable about 400 innings from Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon? Please. I mean, Colon didn’t even make the postseason roster, a big part of that Yankee pitching staff didn’t even pitch in the playoffs…I think that says a lot about that staff.

  133. Kevin says:

    29-16 and we lost..bleh

  134. CUYanks says:

    We may be greedy and want a championship every year, but this year has to be at least bearable because we carried out our solemn duty:

    We finished better than the Red Sox.

    And hey, an AL East title is something too, especially in one of the toughest divisions of the last decade.

  135. tabbert says:

    This is going to be a interesting off-season for the yankees. Yes, they won 97 games and won the AL East…. but like it or not, a lot of that if not all of that had to do with the red sox collapse. We found the new closer of the future when mo retires in drob… but MO might be done after next season. If they don’t win it all next year, Arod and jeter are another year older, and now you have lost the greatest closer in the game. Do the yankees try and reload this winter and get one more championship out of Arod, Jeter, and mo? Or do we stand pat, and hope for better results next year with this same team? Jeter will be retiring in a few years, so we have options at SS. However… We will have Arod and Tex so long that cano and grandy might be getting passed their prime years. As crazy as it might seem, giving a guy like prince fielder a massive contract would not be the worst thing in the world. You hopefully suck out a couple more productive years out of arod and jeter, with the hopes tex turns it around, we will have montero, and young prolific bats in grandy, cano, fielder. Not only does that give This core a legit chance at winning another world series right away, it gives yankees teams in the future a great chance at still winning. It’s a big risk, but whose to say we will see another guy like fielder ( who would break records in YS) anytime soon?
    Tricky thing is, doubt he wants to play DH, we need that DH spot, and montero would have to become our full time catcher starting next year. Obviously fielder is not a must sign… but its something that the yankees will seriously think about.

    • Bill says:

      I’m 99% sure the Yanks don’t sign Fielder. The Yanks are set at 1st base (Teixeira) and DH (I think they resign Martin and Montero is the DH). And the last thing this team needs now is another huge contract. It will never happen, even the Yanks operate under a budget.

  136. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:


    this kind of shit makes me glad that I’m a Yankee fan. I don’t know why, but it does.

    • Chen Meng Wang says:

      Really? Why should The Los Angeles Angels, of Anahiem, Of Orange County, Of California, Of The US, Of Planet Earth, of Solar System XY4325, Of The Milky Way “rejoice” because a team across the country got eliminated? Last time I checked they got eliminated the day before the season ended.

  137. Jesse says:

    To be honest, this loss in the ALDS to the Tigers was worse than last year to the Rangers in the ALCS. It just feels that way. I thought this team had a very legit shot to win it all. I know I’m not the only one who was thinking that, but I thought they did. Right now I feel like sitting in the corner and eating a gallon of ice cream and wishing that someone would have had a clutch hit. My God, I swear this is the worst way to lose in my opinion. A shit ton of chances, the pitching did it’s part but once again the big bats failed to produce in the big spot.

    • Bill says:

      I wasn’t so sure about winning it all but I was positive the Yanks would win the series. They had the overwhelming advantage and all the momentum. To lose a winner-take all game that you are heavily favored in the way they did is extremely disappointing.

    • Cuso says:

      I thought about this in the days leading up to tonight.

      And as crazy as it sounds, I’d rather go out this way than to lose to Texas a second year in a row. If we won tonight, I’m still trying to figure who woulda been our game 1 starter.

      CC is worn down this season, thats pretty evident. And I think I’d be more miserable if we were swept in the LCS by the scumbag Washington/Nolan/Daniels led Rangers than to lose a tight series to a classy Leland-led Tigers squad.

      Thats just how I look at it. Not saying it’s “right.”

  138. Yankee Minister says:

    C- Russell Martin 1) CC Sabathia
    1B- Mark Teixeira 2) Ivan Nova
    2B- Robinson Cano 3) CJ Wilson
    SS- Derek Jeter 4) Phil Hughes
    3B- Alex Rodriguez 5) AJ Burnett
    LF- Brett Gardner
    CF- Curtis Granderson
    RF- Nick Swisher closer- mariano rivera
    DH- Jesus Montero setup man- david robertson
    7th inning guy- rafael soriano
    backup C- Jorge Posada middle relief- joba chamberlain
    utility infielder- eduardo nunez middle relief- Cory wade
    1B/3B- Eric Chavez loogy- Pedro feliciano/boone logan
    4th outfielder- melky cabrera long relief- hector noesi

  139. dkidd says:

    one bright spot tonight was mo destroying bat after bat. what a dominating inning

    fingers crossed for nova…

  140. Jesse says:

    So, I think we all agree that next season will be a make or break year for Phil Hughes. With that being said, what is your very early prediction for him? I say he steps up and is a solid #2/#3 starter. Maybe some wishful thinking, but it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

    • dkidd says:

      could phil try working out a little this off-season? he’s starting to look like nick swardson

      • Jesse says:

        I bet he works his ass off this off-season and gets in the best shape of his life. At least that would be the smart thing to do anyways..

        • forensic says:

          This is all the same stuff (make/break, working out, etc.) that was said about him last offseason since he was terrible after April.

    • Tom says:

      Even if he get his velocity back to 93-94mph he’s not a #2/3. His cutter is not good enough as a 3rd pitch… he needs a viable changeup or he will be a backend of the rotation starter at best (which is what he was in 2010 despite the gaudy W/L record). I think he eventually ends up in the pen.

      I think same thing for Nova… while he needs to continue to develop that slider (and his overall control), I think he needs the changeup as a credible pitch (doesn’t need to be lights out, just something that hitters have to worry about). The difference though is he generates groundballs so I still think he has considerably more upside than Hughes at this point; I also think his changeup is further along (and he is more willing to use it).

      • Tom says:


        Hughes eventually ends up in the pen down the line (maybe he starts for another year or two).

        When I said Nova is in the same boat, I meant he’s a back end of the rotation guy for now unless his control and/or changeup really develops. He needs to either get the walk rate very good or the strikeout rate up to move up to a #2/3 type guy

  141. Tipsie says:

    The Swisher at bat in the 7th is going to gnaw at me for a while.

    Look @ Gameday. Everything he swung at was off the plate. This from a guy with a great eye for walks.

  142. I says:

    “It’s a new season. One of the great things about playing in New York, it’s all about what happens late and what happens in October,”

    By A-rod

  143. nathan says:

    ARod was putrid, could see that last KO coming a mile away. I always thought the last 5 of his contract would be a wash, but he has faded even more swifter than that…

  144. Chuck Chainsaw says:

    I would have been really pissed but I came out tonight to my friends

    I’m fucking gay!

    So mad the Yankees lost but I would have taken my pants and underpants off if they had won

  145. Tom Zig says:

    A disappointing end to the season for sure. It was a great season when you look at it as a whole, and not just this 5 game series. Few people in the preseason had this team pegged to win 97 games and finish with the best record in the AL.

    As for Girardi, there is no reason to fire him. He made a few mistakes here and there, but no one is perfect.

    His mistakes (**hindsight warning**):

    1. Using Luis Ayala in Game 2.
    2. Not PHing Montero for Martin late in the games.
    3. Not having a shorter leash when it was obvious CC didn’t have it. **again hindsight warning**

    Things you cannot blame him for:

    1. The two bases loaded and 1 out situations only resulting in 1 run.
    2. A-Rod striking out 3 times today and finishing with the lowest batting average on the team for the postseason.
    3. Tex being colder than cold and finishing with the second lowest batting average on the team for the postseason.
    4. Ivan Nova getting hurt.
    5. Nick Swisher having another poor postseason.
    6. CC Sabathia having poor outings. (A-Jax w/2 BBs (career .316 OBP vs lefties) and a double, really?)
    7. Not using Andruw Jones more. (The Tigers had a LHP on the mound for 1.2 total innings this series. Those lefties gave up 4 runs)
    8. Going 2-9 w/RISP and 11 LOB in Game 5.

    Simply put, Girardi put his team in the best position to succeed and unfortunately for him, and us as fans, the players did not come through. Girardi doesn’t go out there and pitch, nor does he hit. Blame falls mostly on the offense. The bullpen was excellent, save that one Rafael Soriano outing in game 3. 17.2 IP, 23 Ks 3 ER. (Not including Ivan Nova in game 1). The SP was mediocre. Ivan Nova and AJ Burnett had the two best pitching performances for us. That feels so weird to say.

    Well I guess that’s all I have to say. Thanks guys for a great season. Thanks RAB for excellent coverage of all things Yankees.

  146. Karl Krawfid says:


    watch this video and shed a tear.

    And the posada video that will play right after.

    • Tyler says:

      Almost wish I didn’t watch that tonight…really makes the season sink in. Jonah Keri put it well…

      If this was Jorge Posada’s last major league game, major tip of the cap. Bloody hard to be underrated as a Yankee, but he was. Great player.

  147. Jimmy says:

    This 2011 season will go down in my memory in two themes: (1) for the first time in a very long time, the Yankee pitching outperformed themselves and (2) RISPfail.

  148. forensic says:

    This game and series was pretty predictable and basically a microcasm of the whole season (or at least the late part of the season) for this team.

    I missed it though, who was the Tigers MVP for the series: A-Rod, Girardi, or CC?

  149. Bavarian Yankee says:

    we’ve got to give the Tigers credit for this, they deserved it. They had to fight hard to beat us and that’s what they did. We had sooooo many chances we didn’t take like in the 3rd or 4th when they held A-Rod at 3rd (I think he would’ve scored easily). We just wasted to many chances to score.

    That’s life, that’s baseball. The sky isn’t falling (yet), so let’s start another run at #28 next year.

  150. johnnyb93 says:

    As a Red Sox fan I understand some of the angst and blame being tossed around here. But I think the manager got you as far as could be got this year. I really don’t know how he got this team to the record he did with the starters at his disposal. The biggest factor to Yankee success in 2011 was the bullpen hitting on most cylinders, in my opinion. That is partly luck and partly smart management in any season. Do you remember what the last manager did to his bullpens?

  151. nycsportzfan says:

    I seen this coming all along(all though hoping i was wrong) I said a gazillion times that this team reminded me of the 2006-2008 team and probably worse then them because they didn’t have the “HITTERS” that u need to beat playoff pitching Sure we got a TON of Streaky Powerhitters but u can’t HIT tons of HR’s off playoff pitching unless your extremley good hitter(see Cano) and this team is loaded with streaky power hitters and guys that pitch that u have no clue regardless of record how they’ll do on any given night I said months ago this team is probably worse then the 2006-08 clubs THey might not be worse then those teams but hitting wise they sure were close I knew those 230 249 259 262 AVG’s were gonna haunt us eventually I guess BA still is a pretty good stat ey?? Kinda funny that our highest AVG player was our best player hands down no? And even if gardner hit 259 in the REG season Hes as close to a “HITTER” as we have outside of CANO and probably JETER We need another 290-310 hitter to plug into the lineup In 09 we had Damon and Hideki to go with JETER and CANO as pure “HITTERS” in the lineup and in the late 90′s we had O’neill Bernie Boggs Tino Jeter PO Duncan(96) Knoblauch etc Just not enough pure “HITTING”

  152. CMP says:

    This is 4 years in a row Swisher has totally sucked in the playoffs and he has a .296 OBP in 120 ABs. The small sample size excuse is being proved wrong by the year. I know his option for next year is very reasonable but the Yankees can’t afford to have a black hole in their lineup from a corner outfielder.

  153. RJ says:

    I would have liked to have seen the strike zone called properly but everyone was equally screwed.

  154. 15 DAY DL says:


    I’n sick and tired of watching this team beat up on medicore pitching and absolutely shit the bed when it comes to anybody half decent. They don’t hit for average which kills them against above average starters and thats who you have to beat in the playoffs. He is a great mechanical guy when it comes to power hitting but thats all he is. Every single hitter except Jeter had a down year at the plate from the year before. Time for a new look.

  155. Phil "commisioner" Selig says:

    I am trademarking the nickname A-Frod for Alex Fraudriguez.
    I really hope all he needs is an offseason of rest, otherwise, and most of us knew it when he signed that will become the worst contract in history.

    Even though he played adequate D at 3B, perhaps the toil of that is starting to add up, in light of Tex’s performance, I wonder what the market for him would look like, move Tex. Convert A-Frod to 1B and explore a replacement at 3B.

    I still haven’t seen the definitive estimation for where Montero ends up position wise, I am curious if he would have the athleticism to take over @ 3B, if not, I slot him in as the starting RF next year and look at moving Swish in the off-season (I like the guy a lot, but he has to go).

    In the Offseason, Brett Gardner has to work on swinging through the ball not to the ball, I like his skill set, but his swing drives me nuts and explains why he only hit .265 this year.

    The Pitching staff, well we’ll likley have to duct tape that together again for another year. Pay C.C. whatever he wants, I think you have to keep running A.J. out there and hope for a bounce back from Hughes.
    I still wouldn’t slam the door on the thought of Joba as a starter.

    C.J. Wilson is not the answer, but another bona fide major league starter would help, curious how much the price tag for Garcia and Colon goes up, even though the likelihood of catching that lightning in a bottle again is minute.

    Overall many positives this year, but in the final game we saw one of the most pathetic offensive efforts I have ever seen from a Yankees team. I have seen worse losses and worse performances over all but I don’t know if I have ever been more frustrated by our offense.

  156. dc1874 says:

    Strange how the Yanks also sucked in extra inning games this year..maybe this team DOSENT have the stomach for pressure!!

  157. Paul Avery says:

    This club needs sweeping changes, starting at the top. Joe Girardi was thoroughly outmanaged this series by Jimmy Leyland. If CC opts out don’t give him another penny more than what we’ve already given him. He doesn’t deserve it for losing games 3 and 5. Don’t pick up Nick Swisher’s option. Swisher is just another one of those Moneyabll regular season guys with no presence in the postseason. Let Montero hit for a change. Maybe a new manager will let Montero hit. Poor Georgie, he deserved better than this.

  158. Tampa Yankee says:

    Cut all the players!
    Fire all the managers!
    Kill all the front offices!

    (am I doing it right?)

  159. Grover says:

    Thanks to Jorge and Geno for being great Yankees…and to Damaso for a few good innings when they counted most in ’09. I share the sadness. I’ll be back when the anger is gone and the intelligence returns.

  160. Dave M says:

    I know it sucks. But it’s just a game guys.

  161. Yank The Frank says:

    Shit happens. On to 2012.

  162. Rockdog says:

    Tough loss. I thought the team actualy played pretty well, just unlucky. A break here or there and we’d be playing Texas. Anyhow, congrats to Detroit, also a good team, and I am already looking forward to next year. Keep the faith.

  163. Supernova says:

    This incarnation of the Yankees is finished. We still have not won a WS since we ostrasized Hideki Matsui and Johnny Damon, two clutch hitters that we could have used in this series. We keep and make excuses for the unclutch ARod, Swisher, and CC. Hell, we’ll probably throw more money at 2 of them.

  164. David, Jr. says:

    Quite simple. The 4-5-6 hitters went 9 for 55. We would be lucky to beat the Houston Astros in a series with that.

    The pitching was never blown out. The rest of the team was decent – Cano, Grandy, particularly the great catches, Gardner, Jeter and Posada.

    It is all on them, and salaries have nothing to do with it.

  165. Stevis says:

    A-Rod has the bullseye on his back, but Nick Swisher is a stiff in the playoffs and Mark Texeira was dreadful…The Stankees better come up with some starting pitching or 2012 will be alot worse than 2011

  166. Tim says:

    FIRE GIRARDI!!! His list of horrendous managerial decisions in this series are almost too long to count. Think of all the bone-headed decisions he made in this series:

    1. Willfully refusing to use his very best pitcher (and one of the best in the game) in a do-or-die game 5 in the playoffs. This is especially egregious since the number of trusted bullpen pitchers available was probably 2.
    2. Bunting in the 1st inning with his #2 hitter after the starter (who’d had a terrible season and a history of being erratic) had already walked the lead-off hitter.
    3. Putting a human strike-out machine with zero on base skills in the lead-off spot.
    4. Batting a piece of garbage who can’t get on base and hits for very little power in the 3 hole, while he has two far better hitters batting behind him.
    5. Putting in a virtual zero left-handed hitter as a defensive replacement in the 5th inning of a close game while a dominant left-handed pitcher was on the mound for the opposing team, removing a decent offensive weapon in the process.
    6. Playing the same left-handed offensive zero in lieu of the guy who’d hit for the highest average in the series thus far, and who plays stellar defense.
    7. Allowing a tired, obviously shaken reliever pitch to one of the most clutch hitters on the other team with a man on in the 8th inning of a one-run game, while his closer (who’d already struck that hitter out twice in the series) was ready to come in.

    This is just a sample of the horrendous managerial decisions made by Girardi in this series. It’s clearly why the Yankees lost.

    Wait…Girardi made all these decisions, right?

  167. Dennis says:

    I’m tired of these OBP guys who never hit in the playoffs. All they seem to do is want to walk and not get a hit, I would rather have 9 guys who hit over .310 with a 360 OBP than 9 guys who hit 270 and have a 370 OBP. Try to trade for Kemp with a package of Betances or Banuelos(try to keep Manny if possible)Romine or Sanchez and what even else they want below AA.

  168. Flynn says:

    Sadly, there aren’t many fixes to be had…

    Unfortunately you need to resign CC, even though he fattend up and was nothing more than average his last 6 weeks. I fear another Arod contract.

    RF- I’d pick up Swishers ption and trade him. Great guy, but we have seen a large enough sample to show that he doesn;t have the spine for October baseball. I’d turn around and trade a acoupel of the young arms for Andre Ethier- who is done in LA. Massive upgrade.

    I don’t like the idea of overpaying CJ Wilson in addition to the stupid extension CC is going to get, so you need to grow the core. Hopefully Nova is fine and Hughes rebounds..

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Andre Ethier is in no way an upgrade over Swisher, other than batting average.

      • Dennis says:

        what a horrible thing to have a high batting average. Stop hitting 320 Cano, walk more that’s how you win playoff games.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          You’re trading about 30 points of batting average for a guy that can’t hit lefties, doesn’t hit for much power anymore, gets hurt quite often, and is arguably the worst defensive outfielder in baseball.

          • Flynn says:

            Swisher can’t hit anyone in October.. Not a small smaple size. Ethier is an upgrade

          • Dennis says:

            Still better than a guy who couldn’t hit of a T in October. I’m not saying Ethier is the answer (Kemp is the obvious off season target if the Dodgers listen) but Swisher should be the fall back plan in RF if you cant trade for someone.

  169. chmch says:

    The bleachers rocked last night. Best chant of the season was a bunch of guys giving it to a bare chested Detroit fan with the chant ‘Where’s my boyfriend?’ Maybe you had to be there, but it cracked me up. The team just never found that hit. We needed a spark and Girardi worked the bullpen, but ignored the lineup. Why have a deep bench and never reach for it?

    Season over is not a good feeling this morning. This team overachieved and that should give everyone pause. Where do we go from here?

    A-rod was not healthy all season and you see that a lot, former drug guys breaking down early. Jeter has lost something at the plate and you can’t deny it. He’s got the drive and heart but like that long shot last night, it all falls a little short of where it once did. Granderson had a playing out of his mind season. Can he do that again? Maybe. Cano continues his rise. He’s on an arc for the Hall of Fame. Could it happen? Yeah, but it’s early in his career. Tex has a ton of off-season work to do, but he did that last off-season as well and the result didn’t carry through the whole season. I love Swish, but Swish, this is the Yankees. Result first, then all the other stuff. Martin was best pick up of off season, and his defense is awesome. Gardner is what he is. His performance last night was second tier stuff.

    We’re at a crossroads here, no doubt. The team needs a new direction, more committed to the future than it was this year.

    At the end of it all I want to talk about Mariano Rivera. Last night three pitches three outs. We’re seeing something so special here. A legend. Every game I witness the guy is a privilege.

  170. Bill says:

    I don’t want Swisher back next season. Only if there are no other options in free agency or trades. Swisher doesn’t hit in the clutch in the regular season or the postseason. His defense is a little overrated too.

  171. Greg says:

    Arod wasn’t healthy…..but he never will be again, especially if he wasn’t this past year where we all heard how great he looked in the spring. His body is clearly breaking down from the roid usage. It’s obvious. Probably get about 100 games out of him a year if we are lucky

    You know that anti-steroid/drug commercial with the breaking statue….that’s Arod!

  172. Warfield42 says:

    Tough the morning after…
    Love Swish’s attitude but he doesn’t git-r-done in the clutch. A-Rod being hurt is one excuse on top of another, he’s an anchor that we made a poor deal with & have no alternative but to eat or live with. Can’t sign Reyes or go after another option & move Jete’s to 3B because Lip Gloss squats there. The art of the deal was lost on AJ too. Can’t deal him unless they eat him. Montero will improve the line-up, which was WAAAY overrrated. It only took bookJoe6+ mths. to figure out Cano was a better 3-hole option than ‘the hole’ he had there all summer. Not a big fan of Girardi overall but by the book wins enough with our payroll supply. We need pitching but cannot dispose of Montero to get it. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Hughes, Swisher, and some combination of the killer-B’s moved for pitching &/or the right bat. They can’t cut off their face to spite the farm – 2013 FA Pitching class is a monster boon awaiting. Nice season overall, cept’ the finish. But whod’ve thought…w/Freddy & Bart at the start? Anybody but Philly & weekend @ Bernie’s Charlie Manuel.

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