Nov
03

Open Thread: Season Review Recap

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Now that free agency is open for business, we are officially turning the page on the 2011 season. Our somewhat drawn-out season review wrapped up yesterday, so in case you missed anything, here’s one last link back to all the posts…

What Went Right

What Went Wrong

What Went As Expected

Misc.

Here is your open thread for the evening.  The second game of the 2011 Taiwan All-Star Series will be broadcast (on a delay) at 9pm ET on MLB Network, but if you want to know what happens ahead of time, here’s the game recap. All three hockey locals are also in action. Talk about anything you want here, the thread is yours.

Discussion Question: What is Joe Girardi‘s biggest flaw in terms of his in-game management? If you think it’s “the binder,” please be more specific.

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  1. Jake S says:

    The biggest flaw is the tendency to overmanage. I love how Joe G uses the bullpen for the most part, but he loooooves calling for IBBs and bunts way too much. Still, you could do a lot worse than Joe.

  2. DERP says:

    It looks like the Orioles want to interview Opp and possibly Eppler.

  3. Greg Golson says:

    Too many sac bunts, buts i really can’t complain too much. There are so many worse managers

  4. Brooklyn Ed says:

    Looks like the Braves are willing to trade Prado and Jurrjens, I wonder what kind of package could land them both? Nunez + so and so? Prado could play all over the field, unlike Nunez and actually has a decent bat. Jurrjens could be also reliable option, not name CC.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Saying Jurrjens is reliable is like saying Burnett has good control.

      • Brooklyn Ed says:

        ok good point, What about Prado? He would make a better utility player than Nunez. Didn’t Cashman wanted him a couple of years ago?

        • MannyGeee says:

          nah, for the cost give me Nunez over Prado. I think over the course of this season we have seen how servicible Nunez can be. fair to midland in the field, not an automatic out a the plate, can steal a bag or drag a bunt or 2…

      • Rainbow Connection says:

        He said ‘could be’ not ‘is’.

      • nycsportzfan says:

        Are u kidding? Jurrjiens has gone through his injuries as a young starter sometimes does, and in my estemation is about to hit his Prime seasons, having pitched to a sub 3era in 2of the last 3yrs and dominated the AL EAST all 4games since 2009, including shutting down BOSTON twice in the same week.. Yanks would be fools to not go after Jurrjiens… Especially with the Farm they have… Nunez and Swisher could be found anywhere, all thought i like them.. Pitching potential like Jurrjines at only 25yrs old is hard to find..

        • Ted Nelson says:

          I think Jurrjens is better than Mike gives him credit for (has seemingly gone out of his way to talk badly about Jurrjens all season). He’s not amazing, though. Certainly no harder to find than Swisher, and I have no idea how his name entered the conversation anyway. Swisher is a perennial 4 fWAR guy, Jurrjens has been at 1.2 and 1.5 fWAR the past two seasons. He’s got potential, but he’s also a risk (especially in the AL East with his HR rate having jumped up the last two seasons). For Nunez, sure I would do it. At 13-6 with a 2.96 ERA he might cost a good deal more than Nunez, though.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Both buy low candidates, but I still doubt Nunez would headline a trade for both of those guys with his throwing woes. And I’ve long been a Nunez supporter. They could use a SS, so who knows?

      Jurrjens may or may not be buy-low, actually, since he was 13-6 with a 2.96 ERA. He’s averaged only 21.5 GS the past two seasons, though, and his Ks took a dive.

  5. Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

    Too many bunts bunts and IBB’s, and seemingly developing a “bond” of sorts with players like Logan, Cervelli and Mitre.

    • CP says:

      seemingly developing a “bond” of sorts with players like Logan, Cervelli and Mitre.

      There’s no evidence for this. Logan is a solid reliever, Cervelli is a solid backup catcher, and Sergio Mitre pitched 4 times this year for the Yankees (and the margin when he came in was at least 3 runs all 4 times).

      • Ted Nelson says:

        Exactly. The narrative that he has some sort of personal feelings for these players that cloud his judgement is ridiculous. Jorge was hurt in 2010, that’s why Cervelli played so much. It wasn’t Jorge vs. Cervelli or Mauer vs. Cervelli… it was Gus Molina vs. Cervelli.

        Logan couldn’t get lefties out, but he was a good season overall for the second year in a row. You can’t have 7 Mariano Rivera’s in your pen.

  6. Tom says:

    1) He is weak when deploying matchup pitchers for weak hitters and the handedness of the pitcher is often more important than the quality of the pitcher (or hitter)

    If you have a weak bottom of the order lefty coming up, there is no reason to bring the LOOGY in when the guy will be pinch hit for by a righty (and often times a better hitter); basically this is simply trading one reverse platoon for another and at that point you want the better pitcher or the weaker hitter (regardless of handedness).

    2) He needs to spread out his rest days… he’ll often couple a few starters getting rest instead of spacing them out (it seems like this happens on get away day)

    3) He needs to create a hit and run sign. while the team isn’t built to do a lot of this there are times when he could/should start runners (Jeter comes to mind, maybe Martin?)

    4) The bunting and IBB’ing are obvious faults.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      For as much as people complain about bunting, hitting-and-running has a lot of downsides. The batter has to swing no matter how crappy the pitch is. For a team (rightly) built on patience, you don’t want people swinging wildly at pitches that bounce before the plate. A hard line drive and the chance of getting doubled up goes up big time.

      Why are Jeter and Martin the runners to start?

      • Tom says:

        I meant with those guys at the plate (since they have a high groundball rate). With a hit and run the speed of the runner is not all that important.

        Line drives go for base hits 65% of the time… sure there’s a chance of getting doubled up, but “big time”? Most major league hitters hit line drives 15-25% of the time. So consider the probability of hitting the line drive and hitting it at someone (we’re talking about 6-10% combined?) against the probability of a groundball double play.

        Not saying do it all the time – you have to pick the hit and run spots accordingly…. you don’t do it against wild pitchers and you do it in hitter counts 2-0,2-1, maybe even 1-1 when the pitcher is likely to be around the plate. You also obviously do it with hitters that don’t have high swing and miss rates.

  7. Jesse says:

    Bunting (especially late in games), the IBB, the binder–meaning he tends to overuse the binder and not go with his gut enough–lack of a hit and run.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      If you have no idea what’s in the binder or his “gut”… how can you possibly comment on it? How do you have any idea at all that his gut is superior to the binder?

      I would guess that you increase your odds of making an out with hit-and-run. Batters are swinging at balls.

  8. Jesse says:

    Very random, but does anyone know what this song is called?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SohE_VYA550

  9. Thomas Cassidy says:

    Joe Girardi’s biggest flaw is the players. It seems like the players don’t respect him like they did Torre.

    He also needs to learn to send runners late in close games.

  10. mko says:

    Joe G. is a great manager. I agree with the others that I don’t like his tendency to call bunts in all kinds of weird situations.

    Also, I’m not a fan of the following:
    - Leaving relievers in too long. You allow two batters to reach –> you’re outta here.

    - Leaving relievers in too short. He brings in a reliever that does his job quickly and then takes him out so the “scheduled” reliever (i.e. , bring him in) can throw his inning (i.e. David Robertson comes in with the bases loaded in the 7th and ends the inning on three pitches, Soriano pitches the 8th because it’s “his” inning). In my opinion: If a reliever seems to be “on” and is hitting his spots, leave him in until he reaches a certain amount of pitches or becomes ineffective. Chances are that the next guy in the pen is not as “on” as the previous guy.

    - Losing or falling behind with the best relievers sitting around in the bullpen.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Do you have any evidence to back up your “gut” that relievers who are “on” will stay so and relievers who are “off” will stay so?

  11. mbonzo says:

    Playing small ball when he should be playing aggressive. Forget the sac bunt, just send Gardner running.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      I would consider running part of “small ball…”

      Gardner tried running whenever he felt like it early in 2011, and it went horrendously.

  12. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Bunts, love the Binder. I love that he takes advantage of the vast resources the Yankees FO affords him. The Yankees have a great pro-scouting department and employ a lot of guys on the analytical/numbers side of things. There’s no reason why he shouldn’t use the binder.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      To be clear, my biggest issue is bunts. However, I love the Binder…he may not be as good at being a SABR manager as Joe Maddon, but he’s trying to bring baseball into the 20th century.

    • nyyank55 says:

      Did he ever hear of managing from the gut? That is what set Torre apart from all the other managers. Torre got into his players heads and hearts. Girardi is just a robot managing by his binder and the statistics that he’s given. That is why he is always out managed by old school managers like Leyland & Sciocia. There is a reason why these guys have been around so long. Girardi just doesn’t get it.

  13. Midland TX says:

    Irrational and continued reliance on Boone LOOGan, and keeping around whatever coach it is that lets players continue to slide into first.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Yeah, I do hate me some Boone Logan.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      The same Boone Logan who has had ERAs of 2.93 and 3.46 the past two years? Who do you suppose he should have used instead? Sergio Mitre?

      Coaches don’t have remote controls on players. The players decide when and how to slide, not the coaches.

  14. Joe’s biggest flaw might be calling for the bunt. You have one of the best offenses at your disposal and you’re calling for bunts all over the place. Giving up outs for bases is just asinine.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      You should bunt occasionally for game theory purposes, especially guys like Granderson. If the infield is a mile back, he needs to lay a bunt every now and again to keep infields honest. Hell, he may stretch it out with his speed too.

  15. Stratman9652 says:

    My only issue was that Girardi never knew when to quit while he was ahead. He always seemed to try to get one more inning out of the non CC starters even if they were giving up a lot of loud outs the prior inning. Not only that he wouldn’t have anyone warming in the pen until they got in trouble. Drove me nuts, and you knew it wasn’t going to end well every single time.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      He often gets criticized for the exact opposite: taking his starters out too early.

      Managing is mostly one of those things where you’ll just get criticized for everything that goes wrong, no matter what choices you made to get to that situation.

  16. Brian S. says:

    It’s got to be the bunt. The bunt cost us several potential rallies this summer.

  17. Jesse says:

    Some people talked about it earlier in the day, but what would it take to get John Danks? And also, what would it take to get Gio Gonzalez? Who would you rather have? Just curious. Personally, I’d think it’d take too much to get Gonzalez and I think the Yankees could get Danks at an affordable cost. But who knows.

    • mbonzo says:

      In my opinion, the Yankees could trade Nova for Danks straight up.

      I don’t really like Gio, but maybe Betances and Romine?

      I’d rather have Danks.

      • Jesse says:

        I’d think it’d take more than Nova straight up to get Danks. Danks has a longer track record. I was thinking Phelps and Romine maybe? If that’s the case, I’d drive to New York, then pick up Phelps and Romine, and drive them to the airport for that trade.

        I’m not a big fan of Gio either. His K’s are nice, but the walks and pitches per inning scare me. But I think it’d take Betances, Romine, Warren, and another mid level guy to get him. I think Beane may oversell Gio.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          There’s no way I’d trade five years of Nova for one year of Danks. You’re trying to add pieces to Nova, not replace him.

          • Jesse says:

            I never said I wanted to trade Nova for Danks, all I said is that it wouldn’t be enough, in my opinion. I like Nova and I think he can be a good number 3 starter in this league.

            But why does everyone think it’s just one year for Danks? They can easily sign him to a deal when they make the trade or wait until he becomes a FA.

            • mbonzo says:

              Unless the White Sox are offering extension talks to the Yankees, there is no reason for that to add to his trade value. The Yanks wouldn’t want to extend him before this season anyway. Why not see how does in the AL East first? So you’re only trading for 1 year of Danks, signing him any longer has little to do with what you send to Chicago.

              • Jesse says:

                Fair point. I was thinking that when he said one year of Danks he was meaning that the Yankees would just let him walk or whatever after 2012 if they acquire him. But I wouldn’t trade Nova for Danks straight up. I think Nova’s slider can become a plus pitch. We saw flashes of it in 2011, so maybe it can be a consistent plus pitch for him going forward.

              • Ted Nelson says:

                Yes, it absolutely does. The White Sox aren’t going to sit there and say “here’s one year of Danks.” They’re going to say “here’s one of the premier young pitchers in the game.” If they intend to re-sign him, they ARE NOT trading 1 year of him. If they don’t intend to re-sign him, it’s in their best interest to wait until the deadline in all likelihood after he had a down-ish 2011.

            • nycsportzfan says:

              THe funny part is everyone thinking Nova is gonna pitch like he did last yr for yrs to come.. Hes not a Strikeout guy, and i could very easily see him fall back to earth or keep pitching like he has, another words, i think hes still a crap shoot..

              I go hard after Gio Gonzalez or Jair Jurrjiens, those guys are flat out pitchers who can just dominate for you.. I don’t have a clue why people are against them!

              • Kosmo says:

                I´m not against Gio or Jair . Gio is easily one of the best young LHSP in the game. He´ll be 26 in 2012 which is still young for a lefty. His walks don´t bother me, with the possibility as he matures the BB will decrease. Jair is a fine middle of the rotation SP who has to show he can stay healthy. He´d be a big risk.
                Beane would want Banuelos and 3 other top notch prospects for Gio.
                Jair might cost Swisher.

          • mbonzo says:

            If you had to pick one going forward, would it be Hughes or Nova?

            I just don’t think Nova is gonna impress too much in 2012, I’d rather get some value for him now than wait till his value plummets. Its another story if you think his slider will be a plus pitch.

            • Jesse says:

              Nova. And this is from the founder of the “Phil Phuckin’ Hughes Phan Club”. Hughes is too much of a rollercoaster ride–if you will–while I think Nova is more consistent. Plus, the injuries with Hughes are piling up and are becoming an issue.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            If you can replace Nova with something better, why wouldn’t you? I understand the salary differences between him and Danks, and am not commenting on this exact trade necessarily. However, deciding your own players are made of gold is foolish.

        • mbonzo says:

          We’re only talking about 1 year of Danks, if Williams thinks Nova’s 2011 was significant, I think he’s equivalent to Danks. Check out what he gave Jackson away for.

        • Urban says:

          What, are you kidding? We’re talking Kenny Williams here. He might give the Yankees a second pitcher in addition to Danks for Ivan Nova!

          If I read Danks’ profile correctly, he’s a free agent after 2012. I wouldn’t be surprised if the White Sox work out a long-term extension for Danks this offseason. He’s a lefty and only in his mid-20s, and after trading Edwin Jackson and letting lefty Mark Buehrle leave as a free agent, I wouldn’t be surprised if their goal is to lock Danks up.

          So under that scenario, it probably would take more than Nova, yet that’s exactly the reason why the Yankees shouldn’t trade Nova. As MikeA noted, the Yankees need to add to Nova, not subtract him.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          I’d say Nova is worth more than Phelps + Romine.

  18. well you know says:

    Cannot blame Girardi for bunting with Gardner on base when Gardner is afraid of running/getting picked off in high leverage situations, as he often seems to be.

    Cannot blame Girardi for Logan, when Cashman is the one who spent the loogy money on Feliciano.

    In fact, Girardi’s best game of the year might have been the August game at Fenway when he pulled Bartolo for Logan in the fifth inning with the bases loaded, A-Gon up. Yanks went on to win 3-2 with LoCoSoRoMo pitching the last 4.1

    That game was the exception to his rule and I do fault for him for staying with the starters too long too often. Game 2 of the ALDS was probably the worst and most costly example. He had gotten the five innings from Garcia; the top of the Detroit order was going to see Freddy for the third time and the pen was totally rested. Soriano should have started the sixth or been ready to come in when Jackson reached. Yes, Jackson reached on an error but that shouldn’t have mattered. The season was on the line. Then using Ayala in the ninth was further insult to injury.

  19. thenamestsam says:

    Girardi’s biggest weakness is the binder, obviously. Put all that information in a folder, or even a notebook, and then maybe he wouldn’t always get so badly out managed by the old school managers like he was by Gardenhire, Scoscia and Manual during the 2009 playoffs.

  20. Bronx Byte says:

    Exhaust every effort to get Burnett outta town.

  21. Monteroisdinero says:

    A healthy ARod (maybe), a big contract year for Swisher (probable), Montero, a bit of a bounceback from Tex, Jeter picks up where he left off, Joba contributes, Phil gives us more and everyone else performs as expected=another division title and around 100 wins.

    Not too far fetched.

    Did I mention Montero?

    • Jesse says:

      What about Golson?

    • Brian S. says:

      Jeter isn’t going to hit like he did in the second half. That contract fucking sucks.

    • Urban says:

      One of the things the Yankees have going for them when looking forward to the 2012 offense is I don’t see many players on the Yankees who should be expected to have any major regression, and indeed they could collectively outhit their 2011 counterparts.

      Regarding Swisher, I’m not a believer in “contract years,” meaning the ability of a player to suddenly be a significantly better player, but I do have the fear of the opposite. If there’s a flaw in Swish, it’s that he seems to get so hyped up that he begins to press. Think of his first year in 2009 when hitting at Yankee Stadium, or the start of 2011 when there were rumors he was pressing because he loves playing in NY and wanted the Yankees to pick up his option, or the postseason when he wants to do so well that he doesn’t seem to put up his normal ABs. That all said, the season is so long that even if he presses early, he’ll should still end up putting up his normal numbers, and in fact his start was so bad in 2011 that I expect his numbers to improve, coming in between his 2010 and 2011 lines, something like a .270/.380/.500 triple slash, with 25-30 HRs. I’ll take it.

      I expect an improvement from Gardner, and more of the same with Cano, with a chance he could be better, putting up a line between his 2010 and 2011 seasons. Tex should also be better, and unlesss A-Rod has suddenly turned into someone incapable of playing 100 games in a season, I can see a .275/.360/.510 line with somewhere around 30 HRs. Vintage A-Rod is gone, but he can still be productive.

      Montero will also provide additional pop and an overall improvement, although we can’t ignore that Posada was quite productive against righthanded pitchers, which was not Montero’s strength in 2011 in AAA. My guess it was a blip, since he never showed an issue with righties prior.

      I think Martin can also do better in 2012. His BA and OBP were lower than his career averages, so I certainly don’t expect a regression, and could see an improvement his second year.

      The two biggest regression candidates, for different reasons, are probably Granderson and Jeter. The former because it was a career year, and Jeter because of age. Yet even in Grandy’s case, I can see another 35-HR year and while I don’t expect to see the second-half Jeter for the full year, I don’t rule out a .290/.350/.400 line for the year. I think we’d all take that.

      As I said up top, I think there’s a better chance the 2012 offense can outperform the 2011 offense. There was little out of the oridinary on the upside, and there were several players who hit below expectations. I’d be more concerned if I was a Red Sox fan that Ellsbury will regress significantly than I would as a Yankee fan that Granderson will regress significantly.

      Sorry for the ramble, but your note got me to thinking about likely performances in 2012.

  22. Undertakers dong says:

    Girardi has absolutely zero flaws. He’s awesome. I love him and I love Cervelli and Logan.

  23. MannyGeee says:

    1. BUNTS FTW….

    2. Lack of faith in Montero. your boy was hitting the cover off the ball all of Sept, but got only 2 ABs in the playoffs while Russell went all HackZilla on us.

    • Monteroisdinero says:

      2. Because we didn’t face any lefties and the binder says…….

      At least Posada wasn’t awful in his last hurrah.

      • MannyGeee says:

        yeah I suppose. but still… give me more than 2 ABs oin the playoffs from your hottest hitter in September… that HAS to be in the binder, man!

  24. Skip says:

    I think Girardi is a fantastic combination of being a “stats” guy and a player’s guy. There are very few people who have so deftly managed the New York Yankees.

    1. This so called “Binder.” For a site that loves to cite statistics (and I’m a junkie, albeit more on a novice level), it’s interesting that so many people rebel against a binder filled with pure analytics.

    2. He builds trust with his players. Let’s look at AJ. All year, Girardi has stuck with AJ and said that he’s going to stay in the rotation. AJ realized that he was sticking his neck out for him, even when his results were self-admittedly terrible in some starts. When the playoffs came around, Joe relied on his top guys: CC, Nova, Freddy. When that rain delay screwed things up a bit, Joe went to his last option, but at least AJ knew his manager had faith. That start was beautfiul, and in some ways, more important than Game 2 of the 2009 World Series.

    Even with the Jorge fiasco, I think he began to realize what his role was and accepted it as the season went on. The blow-up was more about the pride of a once-great player. Yet, Joe still went with him and the players respond in kind.

    I understand why people are frustrated by bunts and small ball late in the games. Statistically, a team more likely to score more runs when not giving away outs. Taken in a vacuum, that makes sense to not sacrifice bunt 100% of the time. However, when factoring in that the Yankees bullpen is the best in the league, scoring 1 run will produce the same results as a 3-run home run when the score is 0-0 in the bottom of the 7th or 8th inning.

    Despite the complaints (which I personally think are overblown, as evidenced by my post), I think Girardi has been just the type of manager that this team needed. He’s a player’s manager like Torre was and I’ve never heard one player say something bad about him. He’s also a results driven manager – he definitely kept Robertson in the 8th when Soriano came back. And I’d bet that he would have left DRob in there even if Joba didn’t have a season ending injury, only a 3 or 4 week one.

    I wouldn’t take any other manager over what Girardi has currently done. He understands the team, he understands how to manage a bullpen and he understands New York. Probably his most underrated and underappreciated quality is that he doesn’t panic. After all, imagine what would happen if he responded to what the media had to say and changed his batting orders all the time. The Yankees had 94 different lineups, the Red Sox had 123, nearly 30% more different formulations.

    • BigBlueAL says:

      “There are very few people who have so deftly managed the New York Yankees.”

      Huggins, McCarthy, Stengel, Houk, Martin and Torre. Thats 6 :-)

      Look I understand that the Girardi haters go overboard at times but reading this comment you wouldve thought he is the greatest Yankee manager ever. In 4 years he has made it to 1 WS which he obviously won and you can never take that away from him but the other 3 years he lost in the ALCS, lost in the ALDS and missed the playoffs.

      Im not a fan of his at all but I admit that there really is no other current manager I would rather have. But he is far from perfect and to to me has has been a slight disappointment because all the expectations of him when he was hired was how much better he was going to be than Torre because he is a stats guy and stuff. But again I have no problem with Girardi being the manager (he certainly was not at fault at all for the series loss to the Tigers) right now and for the future. But he certainly is a polarizing figure among Yankee fans and the media lol

  25. Dan says:

    I like’d what I saw in Ivan Nova. He’s got a long baseball career ahead of him.

  26. JohnnyC says:

    The Yankees had 36 SHs in 2011, ranking 8th among 14 teams in the AL. The league average was 38 so they were actually below average in bunts. Sabr-geniuses like Leyland, Sciosia, and Maddon executed more SHs than the Binder Joe. Stop the nonsense already.

    • The Yankee offense is the best (or close 2nd), so they should have the least bunts. Sciosa and Leyland are certainly NOT saber geniuses. Maddon has tons of horrible hitters, who can bunt and have it be good strategy.

      • MannyGeee says:

        beat me to it. a team that scores 867 runs sjhould not need to be above league average in Sac Bunts

      • CP says:

        It’s generally not the good players on the Yankees that are bunting. Here’s the breakdown by player:

        Gardner: 8
        Nunez: 6
        Jeter: 4
        Granderson: 4
        Pena: 2
        Martin: 1
        Swisher: 1
        Cervelli: 1
        Dickerson: 1
        Laird: 1
        Various Pitchers: 7

        The one from Swisher and the four from Granderson are bad. I have no problem with the other guys bunting. So the complaint (in my mind) comes down to 5 plays over the course of 162 games.

        • Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat says:

          the 8 from Gardner and 4 from Jeter are equally as bad.

          • CP says:

            Gardner is reasonably likely to get a hit when he tries to bunt, so it’s a very different calculation than for most players.

            Jeter could go either way. He’s not one of the best hitters on the team, but he’s solid enough. I also remember that at least on of those bunts was not called by Girardi.

        • Jesse says:

          I remember one of Jeter’s was just stupid. I recall it was a game vs the A’s where they were down 6-0 and got back into it in the ninth. A couple runners got on on very hard hit balls and then Jeter bunts them over. Just stupid, stupid, stupid managing.

        • Tom says:

          How many failed bunts (force, popup) are included in that list?

          How many times did a guy bunt a couple foul and get into a 0-2, 1-2 hole and then swung away?

          How many were in the 2nd inning? With a lead?

          ….. but I guess just looking at raw totals of “SUCCESSFUL” bunts is painting a complete picture.

          Just one example that sticks in my mind from last year… 2nd inning, 2-0 Yankees lead, Gardner bunting with guys on 1st and 2nd… since the name is Gardner that’s a good bunt because he’s not a slugger? (this was also not a bunt for a hit which gets credited as a sacrifice if the play is made)

    • Steve H. says:

      In the 29 games where the Yankees had their 36 SH’s they went 21-8. That’s a 117 win pace. We can’t just say “great offense they shouldn’t bunt” because that completely takes context out the limited amount of SH’s they had. Considering the 117 win pace in the games where the Yankees had a SH, I don’t think they were hurt by it.

  27. bonestock94 says:

    Don’t like his attachment to small ball, and sometimes I feel he takes out a perfectly good pitcher just for the sake of the match up. It could be a hell of a lot worse though, I think the WS highlighted that.

  28. Mike HC says:

    Too many bunts. Preference for light hitting, defense first catchers (hasn’t been a huge issue for so, but would have preferred more Montero during the playoffs, even pinch hitting for Martin later in games). Unwillingness to use Mo more often and earlier in games during the postseason.

  29. Alfredo says:

    the yankees real need to think about going hard after Darvish he looks really legit on all his videos!!!!!! PLZ GET YU DARVISH!!!!!!!!!

  30. Yazman says:

    Tex is the toughest call on the list.

    I think Teixeira will do better in 2012, but about 2 dozen teams wish they had something like Tex’s 2011 “go wrong” for them.

  31. Chen Meng Wang says:

    Hey guys, random thing just popped into my head. On the Micheal Kay show a day or two ago they where talking about the possibility of trading Brett Gardner, possibly for pitching. Later that night I came on here and read that There was a possibility that Jordan Zimmerman of the Nationals might be available, then read today that “It’s no secret the Nationals are looking for a center fielder that can hit near the top of the order this winter.” I love Brett Gardner, I really do, but I would trade him and a B level Prospect for Zimmerman…Probably not going to happen but just a thought.

    • Jesse says:

      Where the hell have you been?

      Btw, I’d NEVER make that trade. Sorry, just my take.

      • Chen Meng Wang says:

        I’ve been out and about, nothing really going on lol(except for the foot of snow in OCTOBER that’s gone four days later.)

        I didn’t do any research into numbers to if this would be a good or bad move, just a random thought.

        • Jesse says:

          Well, that probably explains it, haha.

          But seriously, Brett Gardner is the most underrated player on the Yankeees, IMO. He’s the best defensive player in all of baseball, not just as an outfielder.

          Jordan Zimmerman isn’t bad, it’s just there’s other options out there the Yankees could get without giving up Gardner.

    • Kosmo says:

      I´d make that trade if you thicken the plot a little. Zimmerman and Clippard and a TBD hitter for Gardner and Warren.

  32. D-Rob's Great Escape says:

    I just copied this from the FA picking thread so I could get more responses and the reason I wanted some was because I noticed most people expect Garcia to come back but people also expect the Yanks to acquire someone like Darvish, Danks or someone else new but I don’t see how.

    I was wondering if everyone that believes the Yanks will acquire multiple starters would explain what they think the Yanks plan is, how do you think they’ll fit them in the rotation because no established pitcher like Garcia is going to sign on to be your #6 guy because the Yanks already hav eCC, Nova, Burnett and Hughes.

    I personally don’t think even Garcia comes back because I believe the Yankees want to upgrade the rotation while keeping the current 4 in the rotation, not stay with the complete 2011 crew because they don’t know what Hughes or AJ will do and they know Garcia could regress into the 4.50 ERA range, according to his xFIP and stuff.

    I would think the Yanks go with their current rotation + 1 but aim for someone with more upside then the Garcia’s of the world like a Darvish, Wilson or some trade target.

    If however their willing to let Hughes pitch in the pen/AAA or pay almost all of AJ’s salary to leave then all bets are off, but I doubt they plan on doing either of those things so that means they can’t bring back Garcia if they want to go after Darvish or someone.

  33. Jose M. Vazquez.. says:

    Don’t ask me who, but Rep. Henry Waxman wants MLB to start testing for HGH. It is hard to believe but there may be players still using it.
    The claim here is by MLPA that does not want to have blood tests on the players. That said, there may be a few who are using. I suspect we will never Know. I believe that in Europe they have tests to do on both urine and blood so I don’t see why we cannot borrow their technology. Here they are testing only for amphetamines, anabolic steroids and street drugs but not HGH.

  34. Jose M. Vazquez.. says:

    In another development, in a column in the Ne York Post, Cashman refers to Martin as Munson-like although he did not see Munson play. Munson was a great player, very good hiter with all the tools of a great catcher. Martin is a good defensive catcher. There is no comparison, but by saying this Cashman has put himself in a spot at contract time. The only reason Thurman is not in the HOF in my opinion is that like Ted Williams he hated the press. In the case of Ted they had no alternative with him being the greatest hitter the game ever saw.

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