Nov
04

Scouting The Trade Market: Jair Jurrjens

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As I mentioned yesterday, the trade market can offer viable alternatives to free agency during the offseason. There aren’t many quality starting pitchers available on the open market this winter, so trades could be the best and most efficient way for the Yankees to improve their rotation for 2012 and beyond.

MLB.com’s Mark Bowman reported yesterday afternoon that the Braves have informed teams they’re willing to trade right-hander Jair Jurrjens and utility guy Martin Prado, seeking to gain some financial flexibility. Brian Cashman and Frank Wren have gotten together for just one trade in the past (the ill-fated Javy Vazquez deal two winters ago), but I’m sure their working relationship is fine. Prado is of little interest to us, but Jurrjens is definitely someone worth looking into as a rotation candidate. Let’s see what he has to offer, starting with the positives…

The Pros

  • It feels like he’s been around forever, but Jurrjens is still really young. He’ll turn 26 in January, and he has two years of team control remaining. MLBTR projects a salary of $5.1M next season, which puts him in line for an $8-9M payday in 2013, his final trip through arbitration.
  • A true four-pitch pitcher, Jurrjens uses two fastballs in the 88-91 mph range (two- and four-seamer) to set up his low-80′s changeup and high-70′s slider. He’s got good control (2.79 uIBB/9 in the last three years), and the slide-piece is a put-away offering that he’s used to hold right-handed batters to measly .228/.280/.362 batting line with a 3.3 K/uIBB ratio over the last three seasons.

The Cons

  • Jurrjens has had a lot of trouble staying healthy in recent years, missing the final month in both of the last two seasons with right knee problems. He had surgery to repair a torn meniscus last September, then dealt with inflammation this August and September. He’s also missed time with an oblique strain (2011), a hamstring strain (2010), and shoulder inflammation (2007 and 2010), limiting him to just 43 starts and 268.1 IP over the last two years.
  • That 88-91 mph fastball used to be 92-94 mph, but Jurrjens’ velocity dropped off in a big way in 2011. The velocity graph is quite scary, actually. His offspeed stuff isn’t enough to compensate, which is why left-handed batters have tagged him for a healthy .273/.349/.424 batting line with a 1.4 K/uIBB ratio over the last three seasons.
  • Jurrjens is a fly ball pitcher (41.9% grounders last three seasons) and his strikeout numbers are not great (6.11 K/9 with 8.1% swings-and-misses last three seasons). That’s why there’s a considerable gap between his 3.20 ERA, 3.90 FIP, and 4.27 xFIP since the start of the 2009 season.

Bowman’s article says the Braves have already talked to the Royals about a Jurrjens trade, asking about upper-level bats like Wil Myers and Lorenzo Cain. Myers is one of the better prospects in the baseball and Cain is a big league ready center fielder, so that seems a little rich. The point is, they obviously want young position players in return, and the Yankees really aren’t loaded in that department outside of Jesus Montero, Austin Romine, and maybe Brandon Laird or Eduardo Nunez if you squint your eyes and look real hard.

Atlanta traded Derek Lowe earlier this week, so I find it pretty surprising that they’re willing to trade another one of their big league starters. They obviously have a lot of confidence in the young kids they have coming up (Julio Teheran, Randall Delgado, Mike Minor, and former Yankee farmhand Arodys Vizcaino), but isn’t this also a bit of a red flag? It’s not like Jurrjens is making a ton of money. Some guys peak early, and I’m worried that the Braves realize this and are trying to move him before his value declines any further.

There are two major red flags here as far as I’m concerned: the velocity drop and all the injury problems, specifically the recurring knee issues. The two problems might be related, since it is his push-off leg. If he can’t push-off properly, you have to worry about him overcompensating and possibly hurting his arm. You want to like Jurrjens, a young hurler who’s put up a sub-3.00 ERA in two of the last three seasons, but I just can’t bring myself to do it. Given the injuries, underwhelming peripherals, and declining velocity, I really have a hard time valuing Jurrjens as anything more than a glorified Phil Hughes, and the Yankees don’t need another guy like that at this point.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • Kosmo

    I like Jurrjens alot. Swisher for Prado and Jurrjens would be OK with me provided an MRI and a clean bill of health.
    Jurrjens velocity drop might be due to an unwillingness to cut lose on his fastball because of the injury that shelved him for 6 weeks. He can lose some velocity and still pitch effectively hmmm, Phil Hughes please take note.

    • Slugger27

      well i think their whole point of trading him was to save money, so swisher and his $10M aren’t what theyre looking for. and i dont want the yanks to trade swish anyway.

      • Reggie C.

        I agree with your last sentence but im not sure AtL doesn’t do that deal. Swisher isn’t overpaid and the offensive production ATL can get from Swisher is worth the 10 million. I think ATL does that deal.

      • Kosmo

        Atlanta wants to dump the arbitration bound Jurrjens and Prado . It´s been stated elsewhere Jurrjens will make upwards of 5 million per and Prado I think makes 3.5 million. Over 8 million tied to 2 contacts going forward over the next few years . Swisher is only 1 year 10.
        Atlanta has at least 4 stud SP nearly MLB ready why pay millions when you can pay 4 pitchers league minimum.

    • Soriano Is A Liar

      Idk if I like that trade anyway, besides that ATL might not like it. While I’d be ok with trading Swisher, I feel like a lot of people are basically just throwing him in for any player that gets mentioned. If I’m going to trade Swish, I’d want to get full value for him, not just give him up for any pitcher that get’s mentioned. For me Jurrjens (as Mike points out) is too risky of a proposition to give up a valuable player like Swisher, I’d rather trade him for someone who’s a more stable option.

      • Kosmo

        Swisher has 1 year left on his current contract. The risk factor is Jurrjens health. Another risk factor is Swisher bombs on his walk year. Prado is a good RH hitter who had a “off“ year. He has some pop , hits for an OK average, is 27 yrs old. He doesn´t walk or SO alot which is the opposite of Swisher.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          If it’s a risk that Swisher bombs in his walk year, isn’t it a risk that this year wasn’t just an “off” year for Prado?

          • Kosmo

            Of course ! Although in 2010 he was an all-star and from 08-10 was a decent ballplayer. Didn´t a RAB writer recently state a need to add a RHB ? If you make a trade there is going to be risk involved.

            • Soriano Is A Liar

              But why take that risk if you could go the far less risky option of trying to resign Andruw Jones, and keep swisher? Plus, the goal of having a right handed outfielder is to have someone to hit lefties on days that granderson or gardner gets a day off, but Prado doesn’t really hit lefties ‘that’ well. He hits almost .300 vs lefties, but his OBP is only about .340 against either handed pitcher. Swish, on the other hand, destroys lefties to the tune of .270/.405/.450, so to me Prado is really more of a throw in than a legitimate Swisher replacement in that trade. I wouldn’t want to trade Swish for Jurrjens and a borderline starter, knowing that I’d then have to replace Swisher as well.

              • Ted Nelson

                In the end it’s probably too complicated, but there’s a chance. Would take the Yankees really believing Jurrjens and Prado will bounce back and not thinking they’ll re-sign Swisher. Would probably also take signing a LH RF plus bringing back Jones. Platoon LH/Jones/Prado in RF. Prado also becomes A-Rod’s caddy, which is a fairly important spot given A-Rod’s recent fragility, and backs up Cano too. Burn a roster spot on Pena or whoever at SS if Nunez is included in the trade.

                Or perhaps involve a 3rd team to take Prado and/or Jurrjens for a RF and/or SP. This might actually make the most sense. I don’t know what team would be a fit… maybe White Sox would give up Quentin if they want to replace him with De Aza… maybe an offense starved team would give up a pitcher.

                Another scenario would be if they want Montero in RF… which is dubious, but possible.

                So… not likely for a number of reasons on both ends… but not impossible if circumstances align.

    • Ted Nelson

      It’s a possibility, but I don’t see Atlanta going for that unless they can work out a reasonable extension with Swisher before hand. Reasonable is open to interpretation, but given the money guys like Bay, Werth, and Crawford have pulled down the last few years… I sort of doubt Swisher would forgo free agency for a new team and a “reasonable” deal.

      Might be bit too high risk for the Yankees, as well. The upside is pretty huge since both Jurrjens and Prado has demonstrated that they’re capable of putting up a Swisher-like 4 fWAR season individually and are younger than Swisher… but they’ve been more volatile and the Yanks would be counting on Prado as their starting RF potentially. (Maybe couple Prado with a Grady Sizemore signing?)

    • Mike HC

      If I’m the Yanks, I would jump on that in a heartbeat. I don’t see any way that Atlanta would want to do that deal.

  • http://jukeofurl.wordpress.com Juke Early

    ATL won’t unload a good SP. Jurrgens has been sliding downhill since the hype machine discovered him his rook year. Pass.

    Hughes has sadly succumbed to stress & numbnuts coaching.

  • Hardy

    If you compare him to Paul Maholm – Maholm was better in the last two years, Maholm’s health history is better and Maholm won’t make substantially more than JJ over the next two years.

    I see absolutely no reason to trade anything valuable for a pitcher who is not even better then a middling FA.

    • Kosmo

      Jurrjens was injured in 2010 missed at least half the season. This year he was an all-star and posted a 3.8 WAR even though he missed 8-10 starts. Maholm for 2011 posted a 2.6 WAR. Excepting 2010, in the last 3-4 years Jurrjens has been the better pitcher.

      • Ted Nelson

        Jurrjens beat Maholm in 2011 bWAR, but not fWAR.

        I’d agree Jurrjens has been better, but it’s an interesting point. I certainly wouldn’t give up a whole ton for Jurrjens. I would give up something, though. Really a matter of degree. Hardy went too far in one direction, but to me you may be leaning too much in the other depending on exactly what you’d give up for Jurrjens.

        • Hardy

          I don’t think I went too far in one direction.

          Over the last two years, Maholm is slightly better in FIP- (3 points) and xFIP-(1 point). Jurrjens has a much better ERA- (29 points), but that is driven by BABIP (.282 to .309) and LOB (75.6% to 67.8%).
          Both pitchers have virtually identical tERA and SIERA.

          While Jurrjens had the better results, it is fair to conclude that Maholm pitched as good as him on a rate basis. That means that Maholm (who has an advantage of about 80 IP) pitched a lot better than JJ on a counting basis.

          • Ted Nelson

            You said that you would give up nothing of value for Jurrjens. That, to me, is too far.

            Malholm is 30 next season, and has not been as good historically: overall or especially at Jurrjens’ best. I think it’s an interesting point to qualify Jurrjens’ value (as well as Maholm’s), but I think you go too far in saying basically “well Maholm is about as good, so I wouldn’t trade for Jurrjens.” In trading for Jurrjens you’d be betting that he regains his velocity and 2008-9 form, not hoping he continues at 2010-11 form. He’s younger and has more potential.

            You are assuming that BABIP is not controlled by the pitcher, which I disagree with to an extent… and not BABIP only, but OPS- or wOBA-BIP. Some balls are going to be XBH no matter what park you’re in/who is behind you and some groundballs are not going to be anything worse than singles or errors. That guys strike out the same number of guys doesn’t mean that they’re the same pitcher. FIP is a proxy, not he end-all-be-all of pitcher value. It works as a general proxy, but not in every single case. There are pitchers who pretty consistently outperform their FIP and vice versa.

            • Hardy

              You make a couple of fair points.

              “Nothing valuable” is too strong. I would trade Brandon Laird for him, but that’s about it.

              Betting that he regains his 2009-mid-2010 form is something you can do with Phil Hughes.

              I know that FIP and xFIP aren’t the end-all-be-all. But I see no compelling reason that JJ really is Mariano Rivera’s peer in outperforming FIP.

              Bottom line (a little more cautious then before) is this: I think the Braves aren’t shopping him as someone who might regain his 2008-2009 form. They aren’t shopping him as a player who is as good as Mariano Rivera in the E-F.
              They are selling him as a 26-year old pitcher who had a 5 WAR and a 4 WAR season in his last three years and they want at least one big time prospect for him. And there is no reason to do that trade when you can make the case that he is not more desirable then a free agent who had a $9M option declined.

              • Ted Nelson

                “I would trade Brandon Laird for him, but that’s about it.”

                Again, I think that’s going way too far. Laird is a bench prospect. Jurrjens is a proven MLB player.

                “Betting that he regains his 2009-mid-2010 form is something you can do with Phil Hughes.”

                Except Jurrjens track record is way, way longer than Hughes’. He’s had way more success.

                “they want at least one big time prospect for him.”

                That’s their starting point, but it doesn’t mean it’ll be their ending point. People think they won’t trade another starter, but with 8 SP going into next season… they almost have to.

                I totally agree you don’t give up a top prospect for him. There’s a whole lot of room between Brandon Laird and Jesus Montero or Manny Banuelos, though.

                • Hardy

                  “Jurrjens is a proven MLB player.”

                  My point is there are similar proven MLB players available as free agents. That means there is no need to trade anything more valuable then a Laird-type to get such a player.

                  “There’s a whole lot of room between Brandon Laird and Jesus Montero”

                  The Yankees’ only hitting prospect between Laird and Montero is Romine.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    “My point is there are similar proven MLB players available as free agents.”

                    My point is that they’re not similar if you buy Jurrjens’ upside. He’s younger and has had more success.

                    “he Yankees’ only hitting prospect between Laird and Montero is Romine.”

                    A. Total BS. Laird is a borderline prospect, barely even a prospect. Dude had a .310 wOBA in AAA last season. Mason Williams and Gary Sanchez are definitely better prospects (and better than Romine too I’d say) and just about anyone you talk to would probably take some of Ravel, Dante, Tyler Austin, Bird, Culver, CoJo, Gumbs, Custodio, Tejada… though opinions might vary.

                    B. Could get creative and involve a 3rd team to take a P(s).

                    • Hardy

                      Sorry, I should have written upper-level hitting prospects to be absolutely clear. I didn’t do that because the article mentioned that the Braves seem to be looking for this type of players.

                      I think outside of that we just disagree about Jurrjens’ quality as a starter at this point.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Yeah, because you somehow think a 26 year old with 10.5 fWAR in 700 IP, a 3.4 ERA and 3.88 FIP is worthless. While at the same time thinking prospects are awesome.

                      He’s a risk with his health and low K-rate, but every prospect is a risk in their own right. I’m not saying he’s a top of the rotation starter. I’m saying he has a solid chance to be a mid-rotation starter or maybe develop into more if his velo drop was due to throwing a new two-seamer (which he credits to Venters) instead of a long-term issue.

                      I’m not saying that I would give up a top prospect or that there’s an obvious fit between the two teams, just that I’d be willing to give up substantially more than Laird… depending on what I thought of my other options.

                    • Hardy

                      You misrepresent my point.

                      I have never said that Jurrjens is worthless. I have pointed out why I think that his ERA and even to a lower extend his FIP and therefore his fWAR make him look better than he actually was.

                      Then I have coupled that with his injury history and the fact that he is no longer really cheap to conclude that he is not more desirable than other players who are available as free agent. So I would not trade anybody more valuable than Laird because similar players are available for no prospects. I think that is a perfectly reasonable position.

                      If they think that he has Rivera’s ability to outperform his peripherals by 0.5 R/9 and will stay healthy then by all means the Yankees should trade quite a lot for him.

                • Matt

                  I think martin prado and Jair jurrgens would be a good fit. prado could be the utility infielder, the yankees could give them Hughes, nunez and maybe betances

                  • Jeremy

                    The Yankees can keep Hughes, the Braves have more pitching then they know what to do with. Yankee fans will disagree but if I was in the NY front office I’d jump at a Jurrjens, Prado, plus a middle prospect for Swisher and Nunez. Problem is I don’t think the Braves can afford Swisher.

  • Ted Nelson

    This is the second day in a row you’re gone with the “his old team knows best” theory. I wish you’d at least back it up with some evidence (i.e. do more guys let go like this fail or blossom?). Otherwise it’s pure speculation and there are other explanations. If they’re asking for Wil Myers, they’re not giving him away. It might not be that they want to dump him so much as they see his trade value as most in-line with the value they perceive him as having compared to their ten million other starters.

    I think you really underestimate their pitching depth. With Hudson, Hanson, Beachy, Minor, Vizcaino, Teheran, and Delgado… they’ve got 7 starters without Jurrjens… 8 with him. And it’s not like any one of those guys is DJ Mitchell or something. Trading Jurrjens would allow them to better balance their roster. That his health is a bit shaky, is going to get more expensive quickly, and he might even be overvalued… makes him the best candidate, sure. Also that he’s got a track record (unlike most of those guys) but isn’t old (unlike Hudson).

    Some pitchers peak early, and others have a one-year drop in velocity that they recover from. Without more in-depth research I wouldn’t jump too hard at one conclusion or the other.

    I sort of doubt there’s a match here since I would not trade Montero for him, I probably wouldn’t trade him for Romine depending on what else where out there, and McCann blocks Romine anyway. Maybe a deal built around Romine, Nunez, and a lower-minors guy or two (obviously there’s a wide spectrum that guy or two could fall on). Especially if the Yankees get Prado as well to effectively replace Nunez other than SS. Sort of another Vazquez deal for the Braves where the real value comes in the longer-shots.

    I think Prado could be a nice buy-low candidate depending on the cost. Coming of a sub-.300 wOBA season after previously being a .350 wOBA guy. Can back-up 2B, 3B, and LF. Depending on the price I’d definitely be interested.

    • Ted Nelson

      “I really have a hard time valuing Jurrjens as anything more than a glorified Phil Hughes, and the Yankees don’t need another guy like that at this point.”

      That’s a joke, right?

      The White Sox will give up Danks for Romine/Phelps and Hughes = Jurrjens? I feel like that’s a bit of wishful hometown thinking.

      • Guns of the Navarone

        What’s so crazy about it? They’re tough to compare given Hughes’ significant time in the bullpen. But right now, they’re two pitchers with somewhat similar peripherals that have shown to be somewhat injury prone at this point in their careers. Jurrjens is a “glorified” Phil Hughes in the sense that he’s had more success in the majors, but he’s also benefited from playing a bigger ballpark in the National League.

        • Ted Nelson

          What’s crazy about that is that Jurrjens has had sustained success as an MLB starting pitcher and Hughes has not.

          It’s something like saying that CC and CJ are comparable. They’re not. Perhaps you can say “CC is a glorified CJ,” but that’s totally meaningless. “Babe Ruth was a glorified Jason Kubel” too.

          You can’t just point to a ballpark. Do a little research. Jair has practically no home/road split on his career. 3.36 ERA vs. 3.44 ERA. Totally in-line with the impact of umpires calling more strikes for the home pitcher and balls for the road pitcher, which is documented.

          • Hardy

            It is a question whether Jurrjens’ pitching qualifies as sustained success.

            In 2008 he was a groundball machine.
            In 2009 he had a very low BABIP and HR/FB and a high LOB%.
            In 2011 it was very low BABIP and high LOB%.

            So his success might be better described as fluctuating.

            • Ted Nelson

              We’re comparing him to Phil Hughes. Hughes has had a few months of success as a starter, ever. It’s not even close.

  • Hardy

    Jurrjens E/F/xF for 2011 is 2.98/3.99/4.23.

    His low ERAs in 2009 in 2011 were mainly driven by <.270 BABIPs. Unless you think he has Mariano Rivera's BABIP-skill, this should not your evaluation of his pitching abilities.

    • Hardy

      That was meant as a reply to Kosmo’s answer above Ted’s post.

  • Jose M. Vazquez..

    Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware). If Atlanta or the Red Sox let you go then there is something wrong, but especially Atlanta. Take Andruw Jones as an example.

    • Ted Nelson

      What was wrong with Hanley Ramirez exactly? What was wrong with Mark Teixiera and Yunel Escobar? Even if there was any truth to your theory (which I don’t think that there is), they’re not looking to release these guys or let them walk… they’re looking to trade them. They have 8 SP still after trading Lowe.

      • Jose M. Vazquez..

        I am talking about major leaguers in the case of the Red Sox. Ramirez was a minor leaguer when the trade was made. As for Escobar, I believe that it was attitude problems and Texeira they were not going to be able to sign him.

        • Ted Nelson

          And what makes you think it’s not an attitude problem with Prado and/or Jurrjens?

          The Braves have 8 SP heading into next season and the 8th worst offense (by wOBA) in baseball… they had the 4th best staff ERA in baseball and 3rd best FIP (starters were 4th in FIP and 9th in ERA)… they missed the playoffs by two games (1.5 sort of)… doesn’t it make a whole, whole lot of sense to trade one of those 8 SPs for offensive help? You still have two mulligans even if you trade Jurrjens.

          Neither Jurrjens nor Prado is a HR acquisition, and I would only give up so much to get either. Both are somewhat risky. I just don’t take it for granted that the Braves know something others don’t.

          • Jeremy

            It’s been documented several times that Prado and Jurrjens are both good in the clubhouse. If Atlanta moves them it’s for a couple reasons: A – they need to upgrade their lineup in the form of Power. Prado is a solid hitter with some pop, but Atlanta needs a power hitter. B – they have an overstock in pitching and Jurrjens is a Boras client which means they likely won’t be able to afford him in a couple years.

        • Jose M. Vazquez..

          Before you remind me that they gave us Babe Ruth and Sparky Lyle ,I’ll say that those were different people when the Rivalry was not so ardent. They also let Wade Boggs walk and he had a couple of seasons left and Clemens though arguably regained some of his old self through steroids.

          • Ted Nelson

            And Damon… and Arroyo… All the guys they’ve let go besides Bay who flopped were old and washed-up. Even Bay was getting older. Most were already washed up or declining as Red Sox before they let them go. Didn’t take a genius to let them go.

            There weren’t any guys in their mid-to-late 20s with histories of performing like Jurrjens and Prado.

            • Jose M. Vazquez..

              OK I’ll give you that but which Arroyo are you referring o? Arroyo the closer of the sixties came from Pittsburgh.

              • Ted Nelson

                http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....position=P

                Bronson. His first season in Cinci was 4.2 fWAR. Averaged over 200 IP the next 5 seasons. Averaged 3 fWAR the first three seasons and then kept his ERA below 4 while only getting 1.65 fWAR per the next two.

  • David Ortiz’s Dealer

    At some point you have to give up value to get value, ie Coke & Kennedy & Jackson for Grandy, Kennedy would have been nice to have but 19wins in the NL west or the players pic for player of the year..

    and at some point someone will have to depart so a pitcher or 2 can come over. I can certain see the tradability of Swisher, (I like him) but I can see how he isnt exactly in the clean cut Yankee mold either. If Swish morphs into a starting pitcher a need will be created in RF, who plays RF internally, do you convert Brandon Laird? Nunez?

    If Aceves has a one year deal from Boston, I’d like to re-sign him, but I bet they tender him or offer arbitration or what ever you do to a guy with his lack of years in the league.

    • Ted Nelson

      “and at some point someone will have to depart so a pitcher or 2 can come over”

      Simply not true. They can choose to trade for a pitcher, but they don’t have to. They can sign a free agent(s) and/or be patient with their prospects (Noesi, Phelps, Warren, Mitchell, Banuelos, Betances, etc… two of those guys become at least mid-rotation guys and they’re probably doing fine).

      • Ted Nelson

        I do agree that if you want to get something you probably have to give something (occasionally get luck and a Swisher falls into your lap). However, I just don’t think they have to get something right now if no good value trades emerge. If a good value emerges, by all means make a trade.

        The idea of the trade above would probably be that Prado is a RF candidate, and you could also use a Grady Sizemore/Andruw Jones sort of platoon via free agency.

        Yeah, Boston controls Aceves’ destiny until 2015. http://www.baseball-reference......al01.shtml

  • pettittecomeback

    Stay away from jair for sure. Went and watched him play in washington last year, and watched livan hernandez out pitch him. I realize one start doesn’t mean much, but the 88 mph fb mixed with a sloppy slider was really disappointing. He got into a mode that really reminded me of aj. Nothing was for strikes and then he’d groove a fastball down the middle on 3-0. Pass, too many issues for a young guy.

  • Charles Hirsch

    Yankees need an ace, not an injury prone middle rotation guy. Nunez for Jurrgens even up ur pass on this.

    • Ted Nelson

      So… pass then. Why are the Braves taking a guy who can’t make the throw to first for a mid-rotation guy? I like Nunez fine as a utility player and hope he turns around the throwing, but if I’m the Braves I would laugh and hang up. He was below replacement. Decent bat for a SS (not that good, just decent), but throwing is such a risk right now.

  • Thomas Cassidy

    You guys think Montero can learn to play RF by Opening Day? If he can, then I’d so a Swisher, Warren, and Laird deal for Jurrjens. Prado is alright, but if Montero can play RF, then I think the Yankees wouldn’t need to go after him. Montero has a cannon, too.

    I know the Braves would do that deal in a heartbeat, but I doubt the Yankees would. Swisher in the regular season is a great player to have. Good for 25 home runs, 85 RBIs, good defense, and close to .400 OBP, but he disappears in the playoffs.

    Montero looks like the type of player who would kill in the playoffs.

    • Ted Nelson

      Please, please stop the Swisher playoffs narrative! Look at Cano’s post-season numbers until 2010.

      • Ted Nelson

        Also, part of the idea with Prado would be to use as a back-up for A-Rod, who has been missing a lot of time lately.

        • Thomas Cassidy

          They’d have Chavez or Laird, or they could sign a guy like Blake. Getting Prado would cost more, probably too much.

          Why should I stop? Swisher has been terrible with the Yankees in the postseason. He needs to go. I love Swisher, he’s one of my favorite players, but I don’t want him here if he is as bad as you can possibly be when they need him the most.

          At least Cano had two straight successful postseasons. Swisher shouldn’t even be on the roster.

      • nycsportzfan

        More like please please don’t ever mention Swisher and Cano in the same breath…

  • nycsportzfan

    Jair is a beast and is young.. Young pitchers sometimes deal with injurys the first few yrs of there careers and start usually being more consistent 4-5yrs into there careers.. The guy can flat out pitch, and has dominated the AL EAST in 4starts since 2009 and pitched to a SUB 3 ERA in 2of the last 3 seasons.. He is a legit talent and easily one of the best pitchers talked about this offseason.. It makes me laugh that young talents like Gio Gonzalez and Jair Jurrjiens get talked down on here.. THose are the kinda pitchers the Yanks really need to find more then anyhting!

    • Thomas Cassidy

      No thanks to Gonzalez, but I’d take Jurrjens in a heartbeat.

      • nycsportzfan

        well, either or, am i living in the twilight zone where tough to come by young talent that seems right on the cusp of prime seasons are talked about like there mince meat???LOL Shoot, both Jurrjiens and Gio are guys that the Yanks could use and probably win a WS title if they had both of them with our offense.. I woulden’t be surprised if a guy like Gio or Jair had better seasons then CC with us…

        • Thomas Cassidy

          You think Jurrjens and Gonzalez would be better pitchers for the Yankees than Sabathia? Maybe when Sabathia is 36 or 37, but not anytime soon.

          Neither of them come close to Sabathia. I’m not knocking either of them, but they aren’t close to CC.