Open Thread: 2000 ALCS Game Four


In the comments of last night’s open thread, a few people got to talking about Game Four of the 2000 ALCS, Roger Clemens’ shining moment in pinstripes. The Yankees were up two games to one in the series (for some reason I always think they were down two games to one), and … well … you know what happened next. If you don’t, watch the video. Andy Pettitte‘s masterpiece in Game Five of the 1996 World Series is still the gold standard for me as far as great playoff performances, but Rocket’s performance against the Mariners is right up there.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. All five hockey and basketball locals are in action, so there’s plenty of ways to occupy yourself tonight. Talk about whatever you like, anything goes.

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  • JFH

    i forgot how dominant he was in that start. he blew them away.

  • Monterowasdinero

    ARod striking out twice in the post season? Shocking.

    Seriously, that 15K game will be mentioned again this year when Pineda threatens it on several occasions.

    • http://www.youcantpredictbaseball.com bexarama

      He hit .409/.480/.773 in the 2000 ALCS

      • Dela G

        my god

        • CP

          In 2009, here’s how he did in each playoff round:

          ALDS: .455/.500/1.000/1.500
          ALCS: .429/.567/.952/1.519
          WS: .250/.423/.550/.973

          • https://twitter.com/Mattpat11 Matt DiBari

            His numbers in the world series weren’t as good, but the hits were pretty huge

      • http://twitter.com/AnaMariana42 Ana

        But choker/can’t hit when it counts/narrative/etc. etc.

      • IVoted4Kodos

        That’s not a fun narrative.

    • RetroRob

      That’s right, because how a hitter makes an out is important. Ummm…

      • Monterowasdinero

        It is indeed.

  • RichYF


    #3 behind Larsen and McNally. Not too shabby. Smoltz actually outpitched Pettitte in that ’96 WS game.

  • Chrisis

    That was one manly fistpump

  • Soriano Is A Liar

    3.70 ERA was the second lowest of the year, is that correct? Pitching really has come back around…

    • DZ

      I checked like 5 times to make sure I heard that right… there’s no way that could be right though

      • Colin

        it is. Pedro led with 1.74 Clemens was 2nd at 3.70, followed by Mussina and Sirotka at 3.79 and Bartolo at 3.88. They were the only ones under 4 ERA.

        Shows just how good Pedro was and how juiced everyone was

        • Pinstripes in Cali

          Luckily, Rocket was just as juiced as they were, and overpowered ‘em.

  • Countryclub

    And then he backed it up with another gem in the WS. 2 monster starts.

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  • eyerishyank

    Best big game start I’ve ever seen. Loved Andy’s game 5 96 start, but this was more dominating and he finished it off.

    • eyerishyank

      Also, not in the highlights, but if you remember he knocked Arod down in the first inning in a big spot and glared at him. Game over after that

      • Steve (different one)

        It was that stare down that convinced Arod to start juicing that winter…it said “hey scrawny, want to be a big man like me? Maybe play for the Yankees one day? Call me, i’ll hook you up”

  • Steve (different one)

    Sterling said he was at 91 pitches through 5 2/3 and he finishd the game? Whoah

    • Colin

      138 pitches at the end. Think Girardi would let CC do that if he was having that kinda game? Cant see anybody else on the Yanks throwing that much.

      • Grit for Brains

        Your definitely right CC would be the only one to sniff that. I don’t know what his pitch count after 8 was but I think it would be let him start the 9th, if anyone gets on it’s hit the showers

  • E

    He will always be one of my favorite players. The memories will be outings such as this

  • http://goldenshowers.com Favrest

    Why didn’t he take any steroids in 2007?

    • Thomas Cassidy

      Because he got a ridiculous 22M pro-rated salary.

  • Peteobe

    Yes, Clemens threw at ARods head twice in the first inning…ARods had a three run homer early in game 6, which the Yanks overcame later with David Justice’s dramatic homer.

  • Nightwing

    Funny how Clemens did the most disgusting thing in that same postseason.
    You know what I’m talking about. Game 2 of the WS.
    Lost all respect for the guy after that.

    • Thomas Cassidy

      That was an accident. If you read up on what the players say about it, clearly he didn’t mean it. He was just so juiced up and filled with testosterone he probably couldn’t help it. That and rubbing Icy-Hot or whatever on his balls.

  • Monterowasdinero

    What’s the most K’s Pineda had in one game last year?

    • Grit for Brains

      July 30 – 10k in 6.1 ip, 1 earned 1 hit 4 bb, 3:6 gb:fb, 110 pitches

      • Monterowasdinero

        Thanks. Surprised, I thought it would have been a higher # with his stats.

  • ADam

    I remember breaking up with my girlfriend in the 12 grade outside of the Stop And Shop in Poughkeepsie to go watch this game instead of go see some awful J-Lo movie… Best decision of my life…

  • http://twitter.com/#!/czm26 Craig

    Cashman is “staying” with AJ Burnett according to ESPN NY.

    • CJ

      What does this mean?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        It means they don’t have to fight over custody of the kids, house, and shaving cream pies.

        • MannyGeee

          his accountant approves…

      • radnom

        It means the fifth starter position is going to by determined by money as opposed to merit.

      • http://twitter.com/#!/czm26 Craig

        I would assume it means they’re no longer testing his market.

      • Steve (different one)

        It means he called all 29 teams and no one was interested

      • http://twitter.com/steveh603 Steve H

        Knowing Cash, it probably means he’ll be traded within the hour.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike E

      Can you post a link? The most I see is http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....-trade-a-j which is not Cashman.

      • CMP

        Burnett deserves the same fate that Igawa got which is to rot in the minors bouncing between AAA ad AA ball.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          The guy’s declined in recent years and isn’t the pitcher he once was. His performance isn’t indicative of the contract he’s receiving. He may deserve to be released, traded, etc., but not to be a minor league journeyman.

  • Bo Knows

    I was looking at video of extremely tall pitchers with good control like CC, Pineda, Doc, Josh Johnson, Randy Johnson, etc and then played each one next to Dellin Betances during his delivery.

    I’m not a pitch coach but Betances back leg completely folds under him unlike those who I mentioned above, they keep their back legs fairly straight and stay tall. I’m thinking that back leg might be the reason Betances has problems truly commanding his fastball, you would think someone would have noticed and tried to correct such an obvious flaw, hell it might even give him a little more jolt to his fastball.

    • MannyGeee

      someones looking for a contract, mr moneyball!!!

      • Bo Knows

        I can do that haha, I could be the Jonna Hill to Cash’s Brad Pitt.

  • IVoted4Kodos

    Interesting stuff from Tex: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....ion-bunter

    What are the odds he follows through with this? I understand why he would be hesitant to bunt or try to poke the ball through the left side, but if he can go that way just often enough to keep defenses honest, it’d have to be good for his production.

    • Monterowasdinero

      I would think shortening his swing and slapping the ball would be better than bunting and pulling a hamstring trying to beat one out. No bunt Tex.

      • radnom

        He is a professional athlete who runs at full speed in just about every game, not a porcelain doll, give me a break.

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike E

        I’ll posting about this tomorrow. His BABIP indicates that the shift is killing him. Bunting once every two weeks is a lot better than relearning your swing.

    • Thomas Cassidy

      He will bat .290 this year. The work with Kevin Long will pay off.

      • Mike R.

        Is it odd that I remember Giambi bunting to beat the shift once several years ago? I think 2005.

  • Pat D

    So Jim Bowden has an article with 5 trades to improve contenders. He says the Yankees should trade Betances and Romine to the Dodgers for Andre Ethier, contingent upon Ethier signing a long-term deal.

    Now, a few years ago I think I’d do that deal in a heartbeat. Now I’m not so sure, because of Ethier’s splits, defensive limitations, and the whole trying to cut the payroll stuff.

    What say everyone else?

    • Thomas Cassidy

      No need for a 10M a year player to platoon in the outfield when the Yankees are giving up two of their top prospects. I like Ethier, but he can’t stay healthy.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike E

      Andre Ethier is overrated. He’s somewhat injury prone, a terrible defender, and really not that spectacular of a hitter for the corner outfield. Why would the Yankees trade two important pieces for a guy that is arguable inferior to who he’d replace in Nick Swisher?

    • CJ

      Deal! Eithier will be a beast in Yankee Stadium 30 hr easy batting after Tex and before Swish. He’s a gold glove OF, I know there have been bad examples in the past he’s not one of them. He may not be Dave Parker but he’s not bad defensively.

    • CJ

      Salary wise swisher + either is cheaper than Prince defensively he’s a gold glove winner. I think YS plus Yankee lineup is +.100 OPS. Play RF get rest at DH with Swisher. You need plus production from DH position.

  • AaronGuielWithASmile

    I like Pettitte infinitely more than Clemens, but I’d take Rocket’s game 4 over Pettitte’s game 5.

    Lest we forget, the Mariners’ only hit ricocheted off Tino’s glove. If he finds a way to snare it, then we’d probably be talking about this game as the greatest pitching performance in the history of baseball.

  • Pinstripes in Cali

    Y’all see that Dustin Moseley just got over $2m from the Padres? I thought that guy was easily on a par with Sergio Mitre as most obnoxiously bad trashheap pitcher the Yanks have had over the past 2 years. $2m… seriously? Because he can pitch decently against the worst offenses in baseball (bar the Rangers, of course)?

    • Thomas Cassidy

      Moseley isn’t a bad pitcher if he can stay healthy. 2M isn’t a lot. Phil Hughes makes more than him.

      • Pinstripes in Cali

        .5 WAR last year. Two seasons of negative WAR. The only sub-4.00 ERA he’s had was facing the anemic NL West. He was just so execrable with the Yanks, I can’t see any team wanting him. I know I know, clouded judgment. I blame the whiskey.

    • RetroRob

      I was shocked. His 3.30 ERA was luck and pitching in the NL, NL West and Petco. So has shoulder surgery and then they pay him two million? Crazy.

      Mitre should pray to be traded to the Padres.

  • CJ

    The burning question is what bat can yanks get for
    Betances OR Hughes (not both)+ Romine OR Adams + 2 of phelps, Warren, Mitchell?
    I would discuss Mason Williams Laird, Joseph available throw ins
    What players could you get for some combination?

    • RetroRob

      Mason Williams is now a throw in????

    • G

      Mason has been ranked as high as our #2 prospect and more frequently at #4. How in God’s name is he a throw in?